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S1 E10: The Motorsport Triple Crown Pt. 2
Stephen: Hello, and welcome to the Brother Stuff podcast, where Catherine's brother hijacks her leisure project and makes her talk about motorsports instead of the stuff that she actually likes. I'm the brother. Uh, and I'm here with my sister. Why don't you introduce yourself?
Catherine: Wait a minute. You're not the host of this podcast. Hi, everyone. I'm Catherine, and this is men's stuff. Uh, the podcast on man things.
Stephen: Catherine, I feel like we talked about this last time. You are not a man.
Catherine: Yes, but who better to talk about man stuff than your sister? Person arguing with me right now is my brother, Stephen.
Stephen: Hello, everybody.
Catherine: And he's back to talk about racing again.
Catherine: I've set a private goal for this episode
Stephen: Yes, we are back to talk about a few more very famous races in world motorsports. Arguably more famous than last time, but just as french as before.
Catherine: Sacre bleu.
Stephen: Sacre bleu. I've set a private goal for myself for this episode, because, if you'll recall, at the end of our Dakar episode, I lost all of our listeners in Indiana when I told them that it would be nicer to live in Abu Dhabi than Indiana. So my goal for this one, softly, is to lose all of our listeners in France as well.
Catherine: And possibly Florida.
Stephen: Possibly Florida.
Catherine: This is great, because I do have one listener in France.
Stephen: So you had one listener in France. Catherine.
Catherine: Sweet.
You had people thinking that because of your racing knowledge you were a celebrity
Essentially to you, sir Orma. Um, one of the things that we're not going to talk about today is what your real name is. So, that's true. Viewers, listeners, if you remember from our first podcast, Paris tit Dakar, Steven is not Steven's real name. Uh, and we will not be telling you his real name. But what I can tell you is that he's not a famous celebrity. I, uh, did have people thinking that because of your racing knowledge, that you were either a celebrity or a celebrity driver. So can you clarify that?
Stephen: I am neither a celebrity nor a celebrity driver.
Catherine: But you did have a pretty notable racing win. I didn't mean to, uh, downplay that.
Stephen: You talk about when I won the Pinewood derby.
Catherine: Yes. You, I believe, hold the world record for the fastest Pinewood derby car.
Stephen: For people who are listening who don't know what we're talking about. When I was a kid, I was in the Boy scouts. This may have even been a cub scouts thing, actually.
Catherine: I don't know if it's men scouts.
Stephen: Men scouts. But it's the Pinewood Derby, where you are given a block of wood, a rectangular, I guess, cuboidal parallelogram. How many shapes can I name a block of wood, and you're given some wheels to put onto it, and you are given some basic instructions, and it's like, build a car that go down a ramp as fast as possible, and that's what you do.
Catherine: And my brother is eight years old, and he's describing a block of wood as cuboidal. So I would say he has an advantage.
Stephen: I have a phenomenal record in the Pinewood derpy. The first one was my worst effort, but I finished 12th. The next year, I won the whole thing. It was the fastest car down the track every single time. The guy who was announcing the results said that in one of my runs down the track, my car broke a world record for fastest time down the track. I do not know if that still stands.
Catherine: Yeah, well, a random man said it.
Stephen: A random man said it in the middle of a shopping mall.
Catherine: So it must be true.
Stephen: Must be true.
Catherine: Um, so, everyone, Steven and I have been preparing for this podcast for weeks, not months. So you're in for a real treat here.
Steven: Happy birthday, Strip Steak! It's his birthday
One other thing, before we get started, on a more serious note, I do want to give a shout out to my friend. His name is Strip Steak, and it's his birthday.
Stephen: First name's Tripp. Last name, steak names.
Catherine: That's his name given at birth. So happy birthday, strip steak.
Stephen: Happy birthday, strip steak.
Catherine: Actually, one of the reasons I started this podcast was because we had a lot of wine fueled conversations about cars, and it really got me into the hunger for knowledge about man stuff and men things.
Stephen: Happy birthday, strip steak. You sound like you have great taste in topics and names and wine.
Catherine: Uh, everyone, Steven, not his real name.
Steven is our racing expert and has won three major racing competitions
Unlike strip steak, we're going to talk about the triple crown of motorsports, and this is an incredible achievement in racing. Steven is our racing expert, and it consists of wins at three major racing competitions, and that is the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the Indy 500, and the Monte Carlo Grand Prix. This is a very noteworthy thing for a driver to accomplish because of the different skills needed to win each race. It's not just driving. And this came up because I'm trying to run the top six marathons in the world. So it's interesting because people
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who've run the top six marathons in the world, there are 11,000 people who've completed this. I have two more to go, just so everyone knows. So if anyone out there knows officials at the Boston or Tokyo marathons, put.
Stephen: Any good works, put us in touch. Tell them to listen to the podcast.
Only one person in history has completed the unofficial motorsports triple crown
Catherine: Yes, 11,000 people have completed the top six running marathons. In the world. How many people have completed the triple crown of motorsport?
Stephen: Drumroll. It is not a big number. It is one singular person in history has completed the unofficial motorsports triple crown. A man by the name of Graham Hill.
Catherine: Uh, Graham m. Hill. Shout out.
Stephen: Graham Hill. Shoutouts to him. He's the only person to have ever done this.
Catherine: That's incredible. Did Graham Hill invent the triple crown of motorsports?
Stephen: He didn't. It sort of was inspired by the thoroughbred horse racing triple crowns, uh, originally of England, and I suppose there is an american one, as well. But this idea that there are these prestige events that people strive to win really inspired this idea of, well, what are the major motorsports accomplishments? And these three emerged as really strong contenders for that.
Catherine: I think you said similar to the triple crown of horse racing in Europe, and I suppose America has one, too. Um, I think the american triple crown is the one that people know.
Stephen: In my research for this episode, I learned there's an english one. I know about racing fueled by gasoline. I don't know about racing fueled by horses.
Catherine: Horsepower, not horses.
Stephen: Horsepower, not horses.
Catherine: What I'm relating this to in my head, um, it's kind of like the EGOT awards, which is the Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony awards. Uh, only 18 celebrities have done it. So it is truly a talented individual.
Stephen: So what I'm learning is it's 18 times harder to do the motorsports triple crown than it is to get the EgoT.
Catherine: If you want to do something groundbreaking, don't go for a Grammy. Go to le Mans.
Stephen: Go to le Mans.
Catherine: One person has successfully completed the triple crown of motor school.
Stephen: Yes. Graham, uh, hill. And, uh, what I would point out is he has won it according to both definitions of the triple crown. Earlier definitions of this triple crown crown substituted, uh, the Monaco Grand Prix with the f one world championship as the third piece. But no matter which definition you use, Graham Hill has done it, and he's the only person to have done it.
Catherine: The best type of win is a technical win.
Stephen: I technically correct.
Catherine: It's the best.
Stephen: Correct.
Catherine: So, I pulled up a picture of this guy and Graham hill. If you're listening, you should google it. He's very handsome, and he also looks like a villainous. Like, he does kind of have, like.
Stephen: Bond villain energy, doesn't he? He does. And a great mustache.
Catherine: It's a good mustache. Yes. He has that villain vibe. What is with villains and their very expensive hobbies? Like, I can see this guy winning at Monte Carlo and then going to Casino Royale and, you know, playing Bond in a poker game and also, um, shooting a nuke into the moon.
Stephen: Sure.
Catherine: Yeah.
Stephen: He is a talent's no no bounds.
Catherine: Yes. Graham Hill, luckily, was only able to get his one goal of the motorsport Triple crown and not taking over the world.
Stephen: Yes.
Catherine: Which is fortunate. There is someone currently who does not have the technical win, but has closer than you or I will ever get to the triple crown of motorsport.
Stephen: So, yeah, so there are two people who are two out of three, and to me, I think one of them is technically closer than the other. Okay, so Juan Pablo Montoya has the f one win, the Monte Carlo win, he has the Indy 500 win, and while he does not have the overall win at Le Mans, he does have a class win. So, in 2021, he raced in the LMP two category, which is the second fastest category there, and he won that category. Okay, but he does not have the overall win. Then the other person with two out of three is Fernando Alonso, and he is missing the Indianapolis 500. And.
Catherine: Okay.
Stephen: Uh, he has tried Indy twice. In his first entry, which was in 2017, he was actually running fairly well, but had an engine failure.
Catherine: Oh, no.
Stephen: Which put him out of the race. And then his second entry, which I think was 2019, uh, he did not qualify because of some issues with the car.
Catherine: Oh, no.
Stephen: And he has not tried again since.
Catherine: But.
Stephen: So those are the two closest living people.
Catherine: Well, if he wants to win the Indy 500, has he tried just being a shitty f one driver? Because I've heard. So that's the best way to do it.
Stephen: The problem with Fernando Alonso is he's one of the best ever f one drivers, so he cannot be a shitty f launcher guy.
Catherine: That's the problem.
Stephen: He's too good.
Catherine: He's too good to win. And then we have Juan Pablo Montoyas. My name is Juan Pablo Montoyas.
Stephen: You, uh, killed my chances at this race.
Catherine: Give him this. I want to give him
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Catherine: this. He's done. He's done it.
Stephen: He's done it.
Catherine: He's done it. And, you know, having a class win but not the overall win means the car that he was driving won for that class. It just didn't go the furthest out of every car.
Vote for Juan Pablo. Okay, so there's nothing more he could possibly have done
Stephen: Yeah. Okay, so there's nothing more he could possibly have done, other than get one of the LMP one teams to hire him instead.
Catherine: I can't pull over any farther.
Stephen: Yeah.
Catherine: I want to give it to him. Juan Pablo, you have my vote. Vote for Juan Pablo.
Stephen: Vote for Juan Pablo.
Okay, so, if I want to tomorrow set out to achieve this victory, which race is the hardest to achieve
Catherine: Okay, so, if I want to tomorrow set out to achieve this victory, which race is the hardest to achieve? A win at. And which order should I go in?
Stephen: Um, I think this will vary depending who you ask, but I think, well.
Catherine: Yes, that one guy would say Indy 500.
Stephen: I would say India. I think what you have to prioritize if you're going to do this is, I think you need to get to f one first, because the pipeline from getting into f one, I think the easiest way to get to f one is to do the official f one feeder series. Go through your regional carding than regional. F four. F three. F two. F one.
Catherine: Mhm.
Stephen: Okay, so, and as we talked about a little bit earlier, f one teams are hiring, like, young, hotshot drivers as what they want.
Catherine: Mhm.
Stephen: So you can't miss the boat, basically.
Catherine: Okay. So my first thing I need to do is be 20 years younger.
Stephen: Be 20 years younger and have been racing in carts since you reached the pedals.
Catherine: Okay. Got it.
Stephen: So you have some work to do. So I think you got to get to f one first. And I think you have to get into a team that can give you a race winning car. And that's a big if. Like, I got to be real, then what I will say is, probably your next one, in my opinion, should be indy.
Catherine: Okay.
Stephen: And the reason I say that is because of availability. There are 33 seats.
Catherine: Yes.
Stephen: Each car has one single driver. With le mans, it is not uncommon for competitive teams to need drivers.
Catherine: Okay.
Stephen: And older, experienced drivers who can fill those seats, fill out the teams are needed. And so it's not uncommon at all for older, journeyman, veteran drivers to get into one of these seats, put in a stint with the race winning team, and claim an overall win without needing to, like, be a permanent member of, uh, a WEC team without needing to race the volt calendar, you know, come in and do the, do the 24 hours events. As you're, as the super sub.
Catherine: What about you? You're my third choice.
Stephen: Like, really, though? Kinda the most efficient order, I think, is gonna be, uh, f one, then Indy, then Le mans.
Catherine: Capitalize on the skill while you have it. F one allows 20 drivers currently, so go there first. Be italian. That will probably help.
Stephen: Be italian. Drink a lot of Red Bull.
Catherine: Yes, you have to drink Red Bull, be italian, and be 18 years old and probably a man from what I'm getting.
Stephen: And also be very, very, very wealthy.
Catherine: Oh, yes, yes. So for all of this, if your.
Stephen: Family'S not a millionaire, just turn off the podcast.
Catherine: Yes. Or you could go to Monte Carlo and win the money. But, uh, many avenues. Very, um, few slim avenues.
The Indianapolis 500 is the premier open wheel competition in North America
Okay. So we have these three races. We have the 24 hours of Le Mans, the Monte Carlo grand Prix, and the Indy 500. And so, right out of the gate, I'm just going to say it. We have Le Mans in France. Uh, we have the Monte Carlo grand Prix, which is in Monaco, on the border of France and Italy. And then we have Indianapolis, Indianapolis. I think it's fit in.
Stephen: Are you asking if it's like, how french is it?
Catherine: Yes. How french?
Stephen: Well, it may come as a surprise to our listeners, but, uh, Indianapolis is not in France. But the idea for construction of Indianapolis motor speedway was largely inspired by a man by the name of Carl Fisher, who was an Indiana based automotive entrepreneur. Uh, he was inspired to create, basically, a testing ground for cars in America, you know, something like what they had over in Europe, over in France that we could do here and replace those horse tracks that we were using that were breaking people's wheels.
Catherine: We're not focusing on horses anymore.
Stephen: Sorry. But later on, he was inspired by the Brooklyn speedway outside of London that had a banked layout.
Catherine: What do you mean by banked?
Stephen: Say the outside of the track is higher than the inside of the track.
Catherine: Got it.
Stephen: So the cars aren't driving on a perfectly flat surface. They have a bit of asphalt to lean into, so to speak. And so he returned back home to his home in Indiana, and then found a great bit of farmland near Indianapolis that was big enough and flat enough for him to build this two and a half mile racing facility that we know today. And thus, Indianapolis motor Speedway was born.
Catherine: So, when, um, I hear Indy 500 or
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Catherine: Indianapolis 500, I thought it was 500 laps, 500 miles.
Stephen: 500 miles race? Yes.
Catherine: 500 miles. Okay, so this is what we've learned so far. The Indianapolis 500 is in Indianapolis. Uh, it is not named after Indiana Jones.
Stephen: It's not named after Indiana Jones.
Catherine: What cars race on the track of?
Stephen: I'm glad you asked, uh, because in case you were going to have trouble remembering, we race Indy cars at the Indy 500 on the Indianapolis motor speedway in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Catherine: Creative. Yo, dog, I heard you like Indianapolis.
Stephen: We racing fans are simple people. We have a very hard time memorizing things, and he just wanted to make it easy on us.
Catherine: So if you learn anything from this podcast, everyone just, uh, answer indie. When someone asks you anything about the Indianapolis 500, where does it take place?
Stephen: Indy. Indy.
Catherine: What kind of cars do you drive there?
Stephen: Indy.
Catherine: Indy. Um, okay, what are Indy cars?
Stephen: Okay, so we're gonna cite the deep lore of the men's stuff podcast. The men's stuff podcast. The brother stuff, podcast. Um, and I will bring all of our listeners back to episode one. When we talked about the Dakar rally, and I talked then about Formula one cars, but I talked about those as being purpose built, open wheel, open cockpit cars that don't look like anything you'd see on the street. Indy cars are in the same vein. Uh, so there are not fenders on these cars. There are just open wheels on the corners that are completely exposed. The cockpits are technically open. The cars have wings on the front, wings on the back to generate downforce. They are built to spec, so the engine has a prescribed set of conditions that it has to be built to the dimensions of the car. What can be wear. All of that is prescriptive, uh, according to the rules of the sport. And so these are going to look a lot like f, uh, one cars, though they behave a little bit differently. An Indycar, as it exists today, is the premier open wheel competition in North America.
Catherine: Mhm.
Stephen: They race on ovals, they race on street tracks, they race on road circuits. Uh, and their calendar runs from March to November.
Catherine: This is not NASCAR.
Stephen: This is not NASCAR? No.
Catherine: Okay. Is there a rivalry between NASCAR and Indycar?
Stephen: A rivalry? I would not say rivalry. In the US, in North America, NASCAR is top dog.
Can you bring a 24 pack of beer to an Indycar race
Catherine: Follow up question. Can you bring a 24 pack of beer to an Indycar race and drink it in the stadium?
Stephen: That's a great question. I've never been in person to an Indycar race, so I do not know.
Catherine: Stephen and I have been in person.
Stephen: To an escar race, and you can, depending on the track, bring a 24 case of beer, as it is not packed up into anything with you into the stands. It's great.
Catherine: You are required. I think. I think you have to have.
Stephen: You don't need a ticket?
Catherine: Yes, you don't need a ticket. As someone who knows nothing about this, I view IndyCar as very european for some reason, and I view NASCAR, of course, as, you know, blood in my veins. American. So, do european manufacturers compete in Indycar, and do european manufacturers compete in NASCAR?
Stephen: So, manufacturers? No. On the most part, IndyCar is going to be privately owned teams that acquire their own sponsorship, they field their own cars, they hire their own drivers, and they operate as their own self contained entity. Okay, so you're not going to see team Mercedes out there, team Honda out there, team Chevrolet out there, whatever. Uh, you're going to see teams like Pinsky, and oftentimes they'll have sponsor names attached to them. Yes.
Catherine: Will there be a, uh, Mercedes BMW car on the track? No, no, you're not allowed. Sorry, guys, you can't come right now.
Stephen: There are two engine manufacturers for Indy. So Chevrolet makes engines, and Honda makes engines. Uh, for the indy cars. Hello. We're recording. Do you want to join?
Catherine: You can say hi. Hello.
Stephen: Hello.
Catherine: What is the best car racing team that you can think of off the top of your head? McLaren. Stephen approves.
Stephen: I'm over here. Fist bumping. They are my favorite.
How do Europeans view the Indianapolis 500
Catherine: How do Europeans view the Indianapolis 500? And there's a reason that I ask you that question.
Stephen: Sure.
Catherine: When I was reading the Wikipedia for all of these, and I was preparing for this episode on the Le Mans and Monte Carlo Wikipedia page, they were described immediately as, quote, widely considered one of the most prestigious races in the world. And the Indy 500, the intro line is an annual automobile race.
Stephen: Technically
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Stephen: correct.
Catherine: So I don't know if the French are just all up on Wikipedia editing it, or.
Stephen: It's interesting because the tagline that goes with the Indy 500 is that it calls itself the greatest spectacle in racing.
Catherine: Um, and it's the oldest, by the way, of all three of these.
Stephen: Right? It predates Le Mans. It predates the Monaco Grand Prix. So within racing circles, people who are ingrained and enmeshed into motorsports, either as fans or employees, whatever, they respect the Indy 500 for what it is, which is one of the premier racing events in the world, full stop. What I will also tell you unofficially, it's that there's kind of a little brother syndrome with indycar relative to f one.
Catherine: Okay?
Stephen: And there are a couple of reasons for that. Number one is, even though they are sort of. Sort of built along the same ideology, uh, f one cars are much faster than indycars.
Catherine: Interesting.
Stephen: They are a global championship as opposed to a north american championship. And there is at least a sort of a, uh, semblance of, or failed f one drivers winding up in Indycar. Um, it's more likely that the pipeline is going to be bnf one, wash out, wind up in indyCar, rather than excel in IndyCar, be so, so, so great, and then wind up in f one opinion. I get the feeling there is a little bit of little brother syndrome there. And anyone who disagrees, send your comments together.
Catherine: Yes, it's menstuffpodcastmail.com. uh, so if you can't quite cut it in f one, you always have indycar as a backup. So IndyCar is the sales of, um, the racing world.
Stephen: It's the gym teacher.
Catherine: Great.
Stephen: I've pissed off every indycar fan that's gonna listen to this by the way. Sorry, not sorry.
Catherine: You are a racing expert, and there's a really, really good documentary that touches on this, quite accurately called talladega nights.
Stephen: Ah, yes. I know it.
Catherine: Well, if you'd like to, uh, understand how the Europeans view american racers, that's a great, uh, reference.
Give me two sentences on why winning the Indianapolis 500 is such an incredible racing feat
So, um, to put a pin in this, give me two sentences on why winning the Indianapolis 500 is such an incredible racing feat.
Stephen: Two sentences. Um, maybe three. Well, I mean, as we talked on earlier, one of the oldest, if not the oldest, sort of prestige race in the world.
Catherine: Okay.
Stephen: Uh, you're famous forever if you win this thing. Um, and again, in the context, since we're talking about the triple crown, I mean, being able to say that you have won one of the three sort of big world events, something not all that many people have done. Not that many people have entered all three and won one of them. The list is 19 people. 19 people have entered, have completed all three with at least one win. Um.
Catherine: Wow.
Stephen: So, just to put it into context. So, yeah, winning the crown jewel event of any championship, in this case, the IndyCar championship, uh, is something that everyone, I think, aspires to. So, yeah, winning this thing is no joke.
Catherine: One of the other interesting things I learned when I was reading about the Indianapolis 500 is it takes place here in America on Memorial Day weekend, and that is not an international holiday, believe it or not. However, the Monte Carlo grand Prix, which we're going to talk about next, is run on the same day. So there's three mega racing events in the world, and two of them are run on the same day. M. What is with that?
Stephen: I don't know. Oh, uh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna full hold my hand up here and say, I don't know if that is just pure coincidence. What I can tell you, though, is, as a person who likes motorsports, that's the best fucking day. Because you get up and you watch Monte Carlo, when that's wrapping up, is when pre race stuff for indie starts. You watch indie during the middle of the day. Then you have a little short kind of break, and then the NASCAR Coca Cola 600, uh, which is like, the second biggest race of NASCAR is that night.
Catherine: Oh, my gosh.
Stephen: So it's my couch, and I are well acquainted on that day.
Catherine: Where is the Coca Cola 600? Right.
Stephen: Charlotte, North Carolina.
Catherine: Ooh. Okay.
Stephen: Yeah.
Catherine: What a day for motorsport. Everyone write that down. Mark your calendars, buy a new couch.
What skills do you need to have to win the Indianapolis 500
We jumped right into Indy 500, but really, at the beginning, we talked about Indianapolis 500 versus what we're going to talk about next, which is the Monte Carlo Grand Prix, you have to drive differently. You have to have kind of a different skill set and outlook for those two, versus the Le Mans, uh, 24 hours, which is endurance racing, and that's different,
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too. So what skills do you need to have to win the Indianapolis 500?
Stephen: Sure. So, in recent years, I, uh, would say the strategy to win this race has, I think, kind of been gamed out. The people who strategize these races are very smart. You know, we're going to make this number of stops. We are going to have our stint lengths be this long. We work the race, work the race backwards from lap 200 to lap one.
Catherine: Wow.
Stephen: And every step along the way, we have contingencies for what we're going to do if XYZ happens.
Catherine: Mhm.
Stephen: What I will say is saving fuel and the ability to run, run a predetermined and competitive pace while saving fuel and trying your best to maintain track position has become one of the, what I would say, paramount skills of that race. It is a little bit paradoxical, but this is something that's true, I think, across all motorsports, is you're not going as fast as you can all the time. Uh, oftentimes you are, you are given a target lap time. Say, you know, run, run this lap time, because we've decided that's what's going to best maximize your tire life. That's what's going to best maximize your fuel efficiency while not surrendering track position.
Catherine: Um, because in this race, which is not the case in all three that we're going to talk about in this race, the winner crosses the finish line first.
Stephen: Winner crosses the finish line first. Yes. Um, and you really do plan from the end of the race backwards. Um, and so, yeah, ability to keep the consistency across the full 500 miles, the ability to stick to the plan, the ability to keep yourself out of trouble on track, obviously, is don't get.
Catherine: Mixed up in the wrong crowd.
Stephen: And then, at the end of the day, racing on an oval, the skillset needed, the car control needed, and the car dynamics that you experience as a driver are different from racing on a circuit where you have stops, goes, lefts, rights, etcetera.
Catherine: Do you have to get one of your arms really, really buff? Because you're just driving in a circle for literally 500 miles?
Stephen: Everyone's right arm is super jacked. Nice. Uh, so they can hold that wheel in place. Yeah.
Catherine: How long does it take to race 500 miles?
Stephen: Well, these are very, very high speed cars, so it surprisingly, is actually kind of a quick race, unless you have a lot of stops for crashes and caution periods, and sightseeing generally is over within, say, 2 hours.
Catherine: 2 hours?
Stephen: Yeah, it's quick.
Steven Carr talks to Catherine about the Indianapolis 500 and the triple crown
Catherine: How many people are participating in this?
Stephen: Uh, so, the most recent running of the race was 33 drivers. Uh, so they start the race three wide, eleven rows deep. It's really quite a spectacle. So there are four drivers tied for the most wins at indy. Uh, those drivers are Al Unser, AJ foyt, Rick mears, and helio castro neves. They've all won the race four times each.
Catherine: So those four, technically have a chance at the triple crown.
Stephen: Well.
Catherine: Oh, no. Oh, okay. Several of them are dead, I think.
Stephen: I'm afraid to say. Their window has passed, of course.
Catherine: So no opportunity there.
Stephen: The most successful team is team Pinsky not only owns the track and owns the sport and owns a team that competes in the sport, but Pinsky has won the Indy 520 winty times.
Catherine: So the team who owns the track and owns the sport has won the most.
Stephen: Yeah.
Catherine: I am, um, shocked.
Stephen: I, too, am, um, shocked.
Catherine: Is this the same penske that does. I'm sorry. Moving trucks?
Stephen: I believe so, yes.
Catherine: Oh. Oh. They should run the pairs to Dakar. They should make a murder truck. Make a murder truck.
Stephen: M mister Carr's Roger Pinsky owns all the cars on the planet, including the moving trucks.
Catherine: Um, so now we have a really good understanding of what the triple crown is, what the Indianapolis 500 is, and why it's important, and we are going to take this show on the road. Do you have a suit?
Stephen: Do I have a suit?
Catherine: Yeah. Do you have a tuxedo?
Stephen: I don't.
Catherine: Okay, we're gonna need to go buy you one, because the next stage of this podcast, we're going to Monte Carlo, and it's pretty fancy there. I don't want you to embarrass me. So, uh, everyone, this is going to be a two part episode. And for the next part, for part two, we are going to fly to Europe. Steven needs to get a haircut and get shaved and buy a tux before we can talk about Monaco.
Stephen: This podcast has a lot of footwork.
Catherine: So thank you for talking to me about the Indianapolis 500 and the triple crown. We're going to both get freshened up and packed, and we will be back with part two of. Of, uh, the triple crown of motorsports next, uh, week. So thanks, everyone, for listening. Steven, thank you for sitting down to talk to me about this, and I'm sorry, but we need to give you a quick makeover before we do episode
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Catherine: two.
Stephen: We can do it. Thank you for having me, and we will talk more racing next time.
Catherine: Sounds good. Thanks. Hey everyone, if you like this podcast and you want to connect with us, please follow us on Instagram and staff podcast. You can also send me an email@mensstuffpodcastmail.com and you can donate if you'd like@patreon.com. menstuffpodcast also, the easiest way to show your love is to give me a, uh, five star review and tell your friends. As always, thanks for listening. I'm Catherine, and this is men's stuff, the podcast on man things.
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