How Do I Pray? w/ Phillip Rozul

A lot of men want to pray… but don’t know where to start—or how to stay consistent.

Phillip Rozul joins the Men of Faith podcast to talk about prayer that’s real, sustainable, and not performative. We get practical: distractions, rhythms, consistency, Scripture, and what it looks like to build a life where prayer isn’t a panic button—it’s the foundation.

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Caleb Cole

Caleb, a Sacramento native, grew up in a pastor’s home and is a third generation minister. At the age of 12, after one of his grandfather’s sermons, he felt a call from God to be a pastor. He consistently pursued that call throughout high school and college. Caleb attended Central Bible College in Springfield, MO where he earned a B.A. in Biblical Studies and went on to the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary where he earned an M.A. in Theological Studies.

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Hosted by Caleb Cole, each episode equips men to follow Jesus with conviction, character, and consistency—at home, at work, and in every season of life. Through honest conversations and practical biblical wisdom, Men of Faith tackles real issues like leadership, fatherhood, identity, marriage, discipline, spiritual growth, and navigating culture without compromise. This is a podcast for men who want more than inspiration—they want transformation.

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Speaker 1
I think it's like one of the easiest things for us as believers to be distracted in. You feel me? Like I think that we as believers can always make it self-centered and self-focused about, like what God, what can you give me? You know, and and I think that's something I'm learning to do is even rightfully pray for myself.

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Speaker 1
But like, even biblically, praying for others. You know, like it says in Romans, men, even when people like offend you, it says to bless them. Right. But a couple verses before that it says love people, but like, really love people. And I was already offended by that off top, because I knew in my heart, bro, there's like no love for some people, so it hindered me.

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Speaker 2
You're listening to men of Faith, the podcast dedicated to calling men up and not out. Join me as we live a life dedicated to our God.

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Speaker 2
Welcome back to the men of Faith podcast. We've been on a little hiatus, took a little break for the summer, but we're back and we're going to end this year of 2025 strong. And, speaking of strong, I have a strong guest with me today. Hey, guys. This is my friend Philip Roso. So give it up. Man of faith from my guy Philip.

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Speaker 2
So glad to have you on here. Man of Faith podcast.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. First episode, first try right. Didn't even have to send application.

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Speaker 2
You did it to be in this thing. Yeah, you did it. But, you're just that. You're just that guy that I'm like, I have to have him on here.

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Speaker 1
Oh, gosh.

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Speaker 2
So, we want to hear from you, man. So tell us a little bit about you. Philip's a part of Project Church, but, I want them to hear a little bit about you as a person or man. Your life, your faith journey. So give him. Give him the deets on who Philip is.

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Speaker 1
What's up guys? My name is Philip Rasool, as Caleb had said, and I've actually been going to project church for about three years. It's crazy how fast that three years comes on. So Max little back story going to try to give you all the cliff notes version of the SparkNotes version. There we go. If you know, you know about SparkNotes mill, but but a little bit thing about myself is I was actually Catholic growing up, you know, and, and I think the great thing, bro, is my mom had always, try to instill faith, as you know, part of our essential upbringing as kids.

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Speaker 1
Right? And even though I thought it was extremely boring growing up, going to Catholic church, I thought it was a dope practice. How she knew as an adult it would be important that we had a relationship with God. Yeah. And we became older. I ended up serving in young adult ministry for about five, six years. So shout out to my engaging adult folks back in Fairfield.

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Speaker 1
And then, I walked away from the faith, actually met around like when I was 24, 25. And that wasn't anyone's fault. That was really my fault. I put my expectations in people to be someone who I knew they probably didn't have the capacity or even wherewithal to be right. Yeah. And then, when my wife now Dallas and I, went to project church in like early 20, 22, like in March, we had bumped into Justin Goss at a coffee shop, you know, and he was like, hey, I'm actually a worship pastor over here right now.

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Speaker 1
And you should you should check it out. And I never really spoke to my wife about at the time about like, my faith journey at all. I just kept it to myself. I didn't want no one to know about it, you know? Didn't want anyone to know that I used to love Jesus and all that too. So then, like a month of us moving into midtown, which is crazy because we said we would never move to the midtown downtown area of Sacramento, come March.

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Speaker 1
And I was like, I got you got to stop being a whiny Hutt Jr. You got to go to church. Do you got to check it out?

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Speaker 2
What was that phrase? Oh, we we need that.

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Speaker 1
We need JR from a SpongeBob folks.

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Speaker 2
Okay.

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Speaker 1
You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2
Bro.

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Speaker 1
If you know, you know, man, but you had to stop being a weenie and making excuses. Yeah. Because at that time, before we went back to church, I'm tired. I'm emotionally tired. I'm defeated. I'm, spiritually pretty dead inside, to be honest with you. And, we went to church and it was like first, our first time over here.

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Speaker 1
I think it's when you also had, like, the 9 or 930 services. We're making that time change. Dallas and I went here and I came in with a super sour face, like, I'm going to be stonewalled. You're going to learn nothing about me. My hands are going to stay down the entire time, and I'm not going to sit in the front.

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Speaker 1
I'm going to sit three rows from the front. You're never you're never going to see me in the front. Yeah. It's a pretty ironic change. It turns because three weeks later, I ended up sitting in the front and lifting my hands. So yeah, we've been at church for like, the last.

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Speaker 2
And have a.

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Speaker 1
Two and a half, three years. Honestly, I moved closer to the front man, and I think it was like, I think one of my life changing things was Chrissy had literally said, I don't need to give an illustration, I don't need to give a story because the Word of God is enough. And I just thought that over my life, man.

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Speaker 1
Like, yes, there are stories and illustrations God has use, but his word is love is faithfulness. All you need, man, you know, and we've been here, and it's been great. Lord has blessed us with community. Lord has blessed us with each other. And, he's doing new things in our lives, man. So. Yeah, I'm in this thing.

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Speaker 1
Oh, hello.

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Speaker 2
Hello. He's in it. So. Yeah. Now you're in the front row every Sunday.

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Speaker 1
Every Sunday.

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Speaker 2
He was in the front row yesterday. So he doesn't just talk the talk. I'm not really walking.

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Speaker 1
In if I don't, if I don't see you, like, please don't take offense to it. Like, I'll. We'll go to, like, worship, you know, presence nights and different, different events. I'm like, I've never seen these people in my entire life.

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Speaker 2
Because I'm in the front row in the.

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Speaker 1
Front. I'm like, all I see is like the worship band, my friends to my left and right and God and the Lord.

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Speaker 2
I like that. I like that perspective. He's blocking out the noise. I know. But what's cool is I know you guys got married, almost a year.

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Speaker 1
Ago in November 7th.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, and congratulations, man. And then coming up on a baby.

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Speaker 1
February, man. In February, we got, we're calling the baby the being right now, just because we don't really know what else the the being maybe just being, you know, like, we know the size of them. I think they're like, a big is, like a thing in the tell. I don't know how big of a to tell it, like hostile Nutella or, you know, like a great value Nutella.

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Speaker 1
You feel me?

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Speaker 2
But probably the smaller cell right now.

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Speaker 1
Right now.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. So soon to be father man. Excited for you.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we're excited man. We're super excited for what the Lord has been doing. Just in both of us becoming parents. And even honestly, what we're learning now, bro, is just because we're becoming parents doesn't mean that we move away from being married. That's a whole different topic. But yeah, it's just like what we're learning is like, we were just like, starting to learn how to prioritize the marriage as the foundation, you know, for the baby.

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Speaker 1
So that's where we're at, man. We're excited with the Lord is doing, man. It's going to be tight.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Love it man. And, I love your perspective on the Lord on how you approach God in prayer. And that's what we wanted to talk about today. So like specifically, I wanted to have Philip on to talk about the topic of prayer.

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Speaker 1
Okay.

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Speaker 2
And, Philip and I are on a prayer call, actually, every Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 1
Today, 630 to 7.

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Speaker 2
6:30 a.m. is just 30 minutes.

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Speaker 1
35 max of your time. Yeah, you lose nothing, I promise you on zoom.

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Speaker 2
And we, we pray with some guys from the church.

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Speaker 1
Absolutely.

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Speaker 2
And what I love about Philip is just how he approaches God. Just as himself. Not a lot of pomp and circumstance. Not trying to use all this language. Glamorous spiritual language, vernacular, whatever you want to say. Yeah. And so I love your perspective on prayer and just even how you approach God. I think it's it feels so real and authentic to me when I listen to you pray and seek God.

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Speaker 2
And, honestly, it's inspired me. And, and it it always moves me, I think, when I hear you pray. And that's all I wanted to talk to you about it, kind of your perspective. And so, you know, in Scripture, we see the disciples, actually the boys, they don't ask Jesus anything else. They don't ask him, teach us how to preach.

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Speaker 2
Teach us how to evangelize, like how you teach us, teach us how to heal. They literally just say, Jesus the only thing they say, teach us how. They say, teach us how to pray. And so that's where I just think prayer is such an, underutilized weapon that we have.

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Speaker 1
Absolutely.

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Speaker 2
Under focused, call that we have as followers of Christ, sure. And underdeveloped and even men even theologically understanding why prayer is so important, different. And so talk to me a little bit about, you know, your perspective on prayer, why you approach God the way you do.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So with prayer, it's it's kind of, as Caleb said, super underutilized. But I think it's like one of the easiest things for us as believers to be distracted in. You feel me? Like I think that we as believers can always make it self-centered and self-focused about like what? God, what can you give me? You know, and and I think that's something I'm learning to do is even rightfully pray for myself.

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Speaker 1
But like, even biblically, praying for others, you know, like it says in Romans, men, even when people like offend you, it says to bless them. Right. But a couple verses before that it says love people, but like, really love people. And I was already offended by that off top because I knew in my heart, bro, there's like no love for some people, so it hindered me.

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Speaker 1
But towards prayer, I just think of it kind of like an extension of the things unseen about yourself. You know, because you have a you're called to to love God, you know, all your, mind, heart and strength and all that. Right? And I think the thing is, it's going to be a unique it should always be a unique relationship with you and the father, both in private and in public.

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Speaker 1
And one of the biggest inspirations for me to pray is, like, boldly, as I do now, is I was watching this dude Dan Mohler years ago in my faith, and this dude literally said, I'll walk into my bedroom and I close that door and I say, hey, dad, I'm here. And he says, you know, you gotta pray like a child.

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Speaker 1
So he said, and this dude, who's this all white hairs, all white hair. So he said, I just started jumping on my bed trying to, like, reignite that childlike faith of mine. And for me, when it comes to prayer, it's like, I know I'm a big boy and only adult. I know I'm a man. But at the same time, I think there's a very pure part of yourself that like God wants to maintain, he wants to bring to the surface.

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Speaker 1
So I just feel like even if there's like dirt and evil in my heart, like I should always bring it up to him because that way he has room for, you know, things like, gentleness, self-control, patience, love, even, you know, and yeah, and I think that by praying is, you know, as naturally as you do, like without the oh, Father God and all this and all that, like I, I had to tell myself like, well, what if God didn't care about none of that stuff?

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Speaker 1
What if God didn't care about some things I said? And what if I just told God like, hey man, today sucked.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
Like I didn't like how this person talked to me today and I here's how I wanted to talk to them. But you would never talk to them that way though. Yeah. Yeah. So different things like that. Like God wants to approach this at a very personal level, obviously. Like we have access to go to his throne room. You have access to, to sit at his throne, to tug at his at his robe or target escape.

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Speaker 1
So, like, why can't we just like, approach him like honestly, like in a way that's personal, but also with deep reverence for who he is, you know? So that's kind of like how I've been approaching prayer. And it shows people, especially people who don't believe, like, oh, wow, you really talk to God like he's your dad. You really talk to God like he's your friend.

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Speaker 1
And don't get me wrong, that part of talking to God like my dad has been extremely difficult because even with me, who has, father wounds that I'm still learning to heal from. Yeah, I see where that kind of like guides, even how I ask him for stuff, or in this case, how I don't ask him for stuff.

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Speaker 1
Right? And prayer just allows me or allows God to show me areas in my heart that I keep guarded from. I'm in areas that, you know, he really wants to show up and support me, man. So yeah bro, prayers tight. Y'all should do your prayers and push ups.

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Speaker 2
And he says he.

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Speaker 1
Hears my prayers. Tight stuff happens.

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Speaker 2
Though he does. No I mean it's I think we're in a season as a church and even me as a leader where we've prioritized prayer in our house and in our church over the last couple of years. You know, we we started actually with a prayer room, one, our prayer room that was only for our staff and leadership.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And we did that for a year because we just felt like, hey, if we don't learn how to pray and we don't prioritize prayer as leadership, how can our church then go there? And then after a year, we were like, okay, we're going to open this up to the church to attend. Yeah. So we were doing it at noon.

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Speaker 2
And so then we went like six months with just a noon prayer time that anyone could come to. And now we've obviously expanded that to where Wednesdays we have prayer for an hour at 6 a.m., noon and 7 p.m.. Oh yeah. So so these are like open public prayer times.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2
And I think it's important that that we find those spaces to, to slide into if we can. Absolutely. Yeah. But talk to me about, you know, prayer on your own. So so we obviously also has a have a Tuesday morning prayer call. But how have you prioritized prayer like personally and is there a regular rhythm for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Does it look like the same time every day? I'm just curious, you know, to see.

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Speaker 1
No, that's a great question.

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Speaker 2
Hearing how you approach God. But then what does that look like when it comes down to the practical side? Because I think there's a lot of guys listening who are.

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Speaker 1
Like, okay.

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Speaker 2
Even probably the, the thumbnail of this is like, probably teach us how to pray. And so I think there's a lot of guys out there.

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Speaker 1
That are praying.

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Speaker 2
Man. Yeah, a lot of guys who are like, man, how do you pray? I don't know how to prioritize it. I don't know how to schedule it. I don't know how to do it. Yeah. I don't know how to make it consistent in my life for sure.

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Speaker 1
Sure.

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Speaker 2
So talk to me about the consistency of your prayer. Or maybe some things you've done that have helped you.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So I think for myself is, for those who don't know, I'm a morning person, like for 4:30 a.m., my alarm rings. So, you know, there's some disagreements.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Not boom. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
There's some decisions, some disagreements right now in the room. I'll walk in the early morning. Cool with the Lord. You feel me? But, for myself, I've always been a morning person. So for the, 4 a.m. to 430, my alarm usually goes off. And one of the things that I used to do, and I'm guilty of in the past is grabbing my phone, you know, grabbing my phone.

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Speaker 1
But now I should just grab my phone to turn off my alarm. I don't want to wake my wife, so I, I shut my alarm off and then I go into my other room, grab my Bible, and I leave my phone there just because it's like I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to go on Instagram, I'm going to watch YouTube videos.

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Speaker 1
I'm probably just not going to pray. So I grab my word, I grab the physical word. So this is just for me, like it's great if you have your applications, I'm YouVersion. That's super awesome. However, gang, I do say there is something different that happens when you have that physical word in front of you and you're walking through those pages.

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Speaker 1
Something always hits different. So my morning time, I usually spent about like 45 minutes to an hour with the Lord. So I'll kind of just like I'll read for maybe like 30 minutes. And it's not about like how far you get in your morning time. If all you're doing is reading like those same six verses on that chapter.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, for 30 minutes. It's better that you do that, that you train and you focus your heart like, God, I'm going to I'm going to read this part about how I seek first the kingdom. All things will be added to me until I can like, believe it by a 10th of a percent, you hear me? And then that last like 15, 20 minutes.

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Speaker 1
I'm actually just like, God, to show up in my day, you know, like you always show up in my. I just make room for the Lord to, to speak to me, you know, and I think in, in the way where you, you know, pursue him. I think you just kind of got to sit there, got to sit there with him to let him be your dad.

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Speaker 1
You know, let him be someone who shows up for you. Let him be. Someone reveals your heart. Let him be someone who reveals your word. And then just to go off, that is I also, whenever I'm. I walk my dog in the morning. So that's just like, I'm not trying to sound like extra holy. You feel me?

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Speaker 1
Like these are just things I know that set me up for success. Yeah, he's I is. I make the time in the morning to spend time with the Lord. Because I know that as soon as, like, 645 hits, I'm on go. And I don't really slow down throughout my day to. And sometimes the Lord gets past me. But I think seeing what works for you and inviting the Lord into those places, it could be those mornings.

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Speaker 1
It could be your extended lunch, right? If you have those, it could be your car rides even, which I always suggest, like God doesn't be like, oh yeah, this boy only commutes like 15 minutes to work and he only spent 15 minutes with it. I think just encouraging you like God celebrates that you spent 15 minutes with. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
In a post like, yeah, I'm just going to listen to this trap music and you know what I'm saying? Just try to try to roll out, you know, I'm just going to paint all these different scenarios in my head, right? Like, not like God celebrates those 15 minutes just as he celebrates like your full hour. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1
That I think just seeing what works for you in your day. And then lastly, Caleb is is I pray with Dallas men. I pray with my wife every single night. Even when it's tough. Even when it's hard. Yeah. When we butt heads, I make sure, like my wife deserves to know that I will always pray for her. And I will always love.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So, yeah, those are kind of like my rhythms, throughout my day.

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Speaker 2
No, I love that. I mean, I think that the consistency it shows in even your passion when you do pray, like when I, when I hear you pray when I hear just how authentically and real you come to the Lord, you're never hesitant to just be like, I'll pray for that. Like, let me pray.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
It shows that it's something you practice regularly, so I, I assumed I didn't know, but I assume that you, you had regular rhythms of prayer and connection with the Lord. And so I think for the guys listening, the takeaway isn't, okay, you got to get up at 4 a.m. like Phillip, or you're not going to be spiritual, you know, or 430.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
It's more like, hey, is there consistency in connection with the Lord? Yeah. And that could be a car, right? It could be the afternoons, it could be noon lunch, it could be the evenings. And and I think that we make it, you know, this, this formula that like if you do this formula, then you'll be close to God.

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Speaker 2
Then you'll be a better prayer warrior, so to say. Amen. But there's so many different ways and spaces and places and times that you can connect with the Lord. Yeah. And like you said, a father like he just wants some level of connection. I know for my with my boys where I have two sons and a daughter.

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Speaker 1
Who by one.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, is if they come to me like dad, I want to hang out. And sometimes it's five minutes, sometimes it's 15 minutes. So the dad, will you go outside with me? And, you know, it's tough. Throw the ball or do basketball or, you know, whatever.

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Speaker 1
That's good.

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Speaker 2
Them asking like that, that just encourages my heart in my soul. Yeah. I feel like, oh, they want time with me. And that's what I think. The Lord's looking for it. It's not an hour only it's not, you know, a chunk of time only. It's just the desire to be with him. That's amazing. And and I think that that's what you've prioritized.

00;18;38;09 - 00;18;51;23
Speaker 2
And I just want to encourage the guys that like the word we need the word I do. I read the word every day. I actually this year went to a, went to a paper Bible that has margins for notes.

00;18;51;23 - 00;18;52;06
Speaker 1
That's correct.

00;18;52;06 - 00;18;58;05
Speaker 2
Oh, and different. So it's a journal Bible. Yeah. You can buy on Amazon. It was only like 30 bucks. Yeah.

00;18;58;05 - 00;19;00;18
Speaker 1
No I seen him Dallas has a couple of them there.

00;19;00;20 - 00;19;22;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. Bangers and bro it deepen my connection with the Lord in the word even my retention because now I'm underlining. I'm writing right there next to the scripture. Yeah. And this year has been one of my best years of being in the word. Even though I read the Bible through in a year. Every year. Yeah. Just because I'm doing something different.

00;19;22;07 - 00;19;23;05
Speaker 1
Sure.

00;19;23;07 - 00;19;47;15
Speaker 2
Writing down what God's speaking to me right next to the text. Yeah. And so there's other ways, but I think that also prioritizing beyond his word is, is talking to him, praying with him, praying the scriptures. Yeah. Asking him to reveal more about what I've just read and how it can apply to my life. Yeah. And I think that probably for men, you know, not all men are our readers.

00;19;47;21 - 00;19;49;17
Speaker 2
And we understand that in this culture.

00;19;49;18 - 00;19;50;09
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;19;50;11 - 00;20;08;16
Speaker 2
But I still think it's probably easier for men to read than it is for them to pray. And. And why do you think it's. Why do you think it's harder for men to, like, have that conversation with God? It does feel like women are good at it and guys aren't. Even when I look at our prayer rooms, majority of the time there's more women in the room than men, you know?

00;20;08;16 - 00;20;17;27
Speaker 2
So interesting. Well, so why do you think it's easier for for us to maybe read and learn that way than it is for us to, like, talk to the Lord?

00;20;17;27 - 00;20;38;21
Speaker 1
That's really interesting, man. So I'm going to like sidebar really quick, actually, I actually find it really difficult to read. Okay. Fun fact I'm actually a not reader at all. In the words of my wife, I'm not a book girly whatsoever. You know, and I'll open it. I'll literally have my Bible in front of me, and I'm like, and I'll literally say, I don't know what I'm doing today.

00;20;38;22 - 00;20;52;07
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. It's just what it is like. God's not offended by that part, you know? Like, I don't know what this means, you know? And, and sometimes what I'll do before getting in the word man is I'll like, usually ChatGPT like, just for reference, just so I understand, like what I'm getting into.

00;20;52;08 - 00;20;52;19
Speaker 2
That's good.

00;20;52;19 - 00;21;08;03
Speaker 1
Yeah. For I do it right. It's good to have these resources. So how's my little sidebar? But, when it comes to praying, I've always wanted to be dope at prayer. And I think, like, not just dope, but, like, I just want to feel natural. Like, I don't want to be so worried about, like, oh, yeah, you didn't touch on the needs of the world today or the needs of your city.

00;21;08;03 - 00;21;26;03
Speaker 1
How unholy are you? Right? Like, yeah, I think for for some men, I think because they have to open up in, especially in those emotional areas, with areas that probably require a good level of emotional intelligence. Yeah. About yourself too. Right. I think that's kind of why we find it difficult to open up to the Lord. Right.

00;21;26;03 - 00;21;46;23
Speaker 1
And if it we really read it in the word in James where it says, you know, when you draw near to God, he draws closer to you. Right? And I think that we have to take steps as men to draw near to God in those areas where we've received offense, where we have bitterness, where there's unforgiveness, where there's lust, addiction, depression, all those areas we have to draw near to God in a lot of those areas.

00;21;46;29 - 00;22;00;13
Speaker 1
And you have to get used to saying those words that he set you free from, like, for example, to all those who have like a point in masturbation problem, you should be able you should. I would like to challenge you to get comfortable in saying those things that you thought held you down, that the Lord has set you free from.

00;22;00;13 - 00;22;17;29
Speaker 1
And I think that the more that you practice getting into your spiritual muscle memory about what the Lord has set you free from and Lord, that he and areas that he's even healed you in, like with relationships with past offenses and hurts. I think it slowly, over time, gets easier for us as men to communicate to God about those things.

00;22;17;29 - 00;22;36;22
Speaker 1
I mean, even as a man, like, it's hard talking about my emotions. And there's some things that you would even said yesterday at service to, like there's some things that we just can't put on our wives, you know, and, and I feel like I, I have to get comfortable in putting these things on God because I know I'm not strong enough or consistent enough or disciplined enough to carry my own burden.

00;22;36;24 - 00;22;50;09
Speaker 1
Only the word is bro. So I think just like practicing being vulnerable with the Lord is something that keeps us from, you know, from fully healing or fully praying the way that he wants us to to, to, you know. So yeah, that's like at least how I understand it.

00;22;50;11 - 00;23;06;22
Speaker 2
Well, I love that perspective that ultimately it's probably the humility of admitting our weaknesses and where we fall short. That does lead us to greater communion with him. Yeah. Because like I am dependent. Yeah. Right. In an independent world and culture.

00;23;06;22 - 00;23;07;26
Speaker 1
Most independent like.

00;23;07;26 - 00;23;27;25
Speaker 2
Yeah, like I'm dependent on God because I'm actually weak and and that takes humility. It takes emotional intelligence. Yeah. And then when I acknowledge that my weakness and my need for dependance on him now, I'm more likely to go to him. Yeah. And to say, God, I'm struggling here. I need help here.

00;23;27;25 - 00;23;28;21
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;23;28;23 - 00;23;39;08
Speaker 2
What do I need to see here? And here's where I'm frustrated, here's where I'm angry, and it's tough. Here's where I'm falling short. Yeah. And also, thank you, you know, for thank you for the good things I have.

00;23;39;08 - 00;23;40;04
Speaker 1
Oh, absolutely, man.

00;23;40;04 - 00;24;03;16
Speaker 2
So, so when it comes to a model of prayer because I mean, again I want, I want to help some of these guys. Yeah. Because I think acknowledging this part of us that is like, hey, maybe we struggle with prayer because we're just not willing to be vulnerable and open. But when it comes to like a model of prayer, I know when the disciples asked them, you know, Jesus, teach us how to pray.

00;24;03;16 - 00;24;06;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, he gave them the Lord's Prayer. Right. So there's a model there.

00;24;06;06 - 00;24;06;23
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;24;06;25 - 00;24;21;08
Speaker 2
When it comes to prayer, like, do you feel like you you follow some kind of model in how you're approaching God? Like, okay, let me give thanks and let me ask for my daily bread. Yeah. Because because that is somewhat of a model, I think, for guys who struggle with prayer.

00;24;21;08 - 00;24;21;12
Speaker 1
Right.

00;24;21;14 - 00;24;38;27
Speaker 2
Model. You could just follow the model that you said, yeah, this is how you should pray. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Our father in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Right? So like God, you're good, I praise you. Yeah. Your kingdom come, your will be done. So, Lord, I want to pray for your will. I want to pray for your will to be done in my life.

00;24;38;29 - 00;24;53;16
Speaker 2
On earth as in heaven. And then give us this day. So now we make our requests known. Yeah. Give us this day our daily bread. Yeah. Give us forgive us our trespasses. So, Lord, forgive me of my sins. And then leave me now in temptation. Deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, glory, power, forever and ever.

00;24;53;16 - 00;24;56;00
Speaker 2
So like that's a model that I encourage guys with.

00;24;56;00 - 00;24;56;15
Speaker 1
Absolutely.

00;24;56;15 - 00;25;06;16
Speaker 2
In like, hey, if you're struggling with how do I pray? Just walk through the Lord's Prayer. You don't need to recite that every time. Which, you know, maybe your Catholic background would tell you or some religious.

00;25;06;16 - 00;25;11;05
Speaker 1
Background told me. Man, three years old, bro. Like, you need to know this, bro. Yeah, yeah.

00;25;11;08 - 00;25;12;25
Speaker 2
But I think it's a model.

00;25;12;25 - 00;25;13;14
Speaker 1
A model man.

00;25;13;15 - 00;25;25;06
Speaker 2
Of, like, themes and steps that you can take and so, guys, I'd encourage you, maybe you implement that into your life, like let me do this, but what are some other maybe like yeah, other models or modes of prayer that you use.

00;25;25;06 - 00;25;42;24
Speaker 1
Yeah. So as we talk about if you guys ever join even in service and on the calls acts, the acts format, I love that. Yeah extremely helpful. Especially like me. I know I'll get really, scatterbrained with my prayers. Like, I'll, I'll go from thinking and I'll probably I don't even know if I'm really praying for anything specific.

00;25;42;24 - 00;25;58;15
Speaker 1
Like I'm just talking to the Lord, you know, like, man, like, I really don't want to have to, do this one thing today specifically, right? But, I found the Ax model. Be extremely grateful. So it's, acknowledgment. Confession. Thanksgiving. Supplication. Yeah, right. I hope adoration, adoration. My bad.

00;25;58;17 - 00;25;59;14
Speaker 2
You were close, I was.

00;25;59;14 - 00;26;01;19
Speaker 1
Close, maybe next. Next episode.

00;26;01;19 - 00;26;06;18
Speaker 2
Okay. You know, you got you got seat, right? Yeah. And acknowledgment. Adoration. That's cool. Yeah.

00;26;06;19 - 00;26;25;28
Speaker 1
So, I've actually just been doing that one because it's really helped me, like. All right. Because normally what I'll do is I'll just. I'll spend like, a good amount, just like, thanks God. Like, I appreciate it. And, and one of the things I heard from another brother is like, we need to like, we don't really thank God for the breath in our lungs enough, you know, like like the daily things that we have.

00;26;25;28 - 00;26;48;10
Speaker 1
Like, it's a gift, bro. To be able to hear my wife's laugh every day. Right. It is a gift to even annoy her sometimes, you know, respectfully. Right. Until she's, you know, upset at your boy. It is a gift to be able to. To see color, to hear sound, to enjoy your favorite songs. And, and I really just, like, thank God for the small things that I muscle memory through my life.

00;26;48;13 - 00;27;07;20
Speaker 1
Yeah. For granted. Right. And, and I spent a good amount of time there, but the oxygen had really shown me how to order my prayer. Right. How to just properly structure like how I and talk to God when I don't really know how to approach him. And in addition to that one, my other model is really just repeat God's words back to him.

00;27;07;22 - 00;27;20;10
Speaker 1
You know what I'm saying? You got your word in front of you. Just pray that back to the Lord. You know, like you could be in the Psalms. You can be in Proverbs, you can be, anywhere. Like whether you need help understanding something or whether, like, God, I just want to bless you. You know, you said you'll never leave or forsake me.

00;27;20;10 - 00;27;35;24
Speaker 1
So I just want to bless you with this one. Like, just bless you with my adoration and my acknowledgment towards you as an ever present father. As always, a help in need, or even like an. I remember I held on to Psalms 2710 for the longest time because I felt like I had parental abandonment issues and all that too.

00;27;36;00 - 00;27;52;26
Speaker 1
And I just, like, kept repeating that to the Lord. His words, his promises, not my promises. Like, these are your promises to me. That should always be there when everyone else leaves me. Like you'll always be there. So I think just repeating God's promises because they stand way more than our promises do, right? I just repeat his word back to him.

00;27;52;26 - 00;28;08;14
Speaker 1
That's good. And it's like you don't need those fancy things. Been like God's everything in his Word. It's way more prestigious than you can ever think of. It could be right, and you don't need to decorate it as good as it is. Like you don't have to dress it up like it's firm. It's, it'll stand the test of time.

00;28;08;21 - 00;28;15;01
Speaker 1
Yes. And every bit of this, this world that we think again. So. Yeah, I'm in God's word, bro. Getting that thing.

00;28;15;04 - 00;28;32;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think that's like a great practical tip. And so we gave you guys like I mean Philip just gave you some great practical tips of like how you can pray and how you can go about it. And, and one of the things is like praying the scriptures. And I think that's powerful. Like sometimes I don't know what to pray.

00;28;32;24 - 00;28;36;14
Speaker 2
It run out of things to pray. But I've just read this text. Some like, let me just like pray.

00;28;36;14 - 00;28;37;17
Speaker 1
This scripture is good.

00;28;37;23 - 00;29;00;08
Speaker 2
That I just read. Yeah, and turn it into a prayer. I think some of the other things I heard from you is like pray with and from relationship, not religion. Right. This isn't like, yeah, this religious pomp and circumstance type of thing. Like, no, I'm in relationship. Yeah. Our father right. Like this is my, my dad is my father is Papa.

00;29;00;10 - 00;29;02;20
Speaker 1
Yeah. I have never said that yet, bro.

00;29;02;23 - 00;29;15;23
Speaker 2
Daddy. God, that, we've made that joke so many times on here, like. God. Hey, you got to pray that way. Go right ahead. Send it. What? I'm like, whatever for me? Whatever gets guys to pray. Like praying.

00;29;15;29 - 00;29;21;04
Speaker 1
Right? Yeah. No, I, I agree with you. I mean, if you're going to pray that way and call them pops, send it for the rest of your life.

00;29;21;05 - 00;29;45;08
Speaker 2
Yes. Send it. At least you're having communion. Yeah, right. In conversation, I celebrate that. Yes. I think just, the encouragement for the guys to, like, keep it simple. And I think we make it so complicated, or it's got to be this big, elaborate thing. It's, like, simple and sincere, is huge in prayer and it's not even the length of time.

00;29;45;08 - 00;29;56;13
Speaker 2
I'm a big, like, quality over quantity guy. Like, I've spent an hour on my knees in prayer and God and felt like that was the worst prayer hour of my life. Nothing, right?

00;29;56;13 - 00;29;57;07
Speaker 1
I messed up.

00;29;57;10 - 00;30;01;04
Speaker 2
And then I've spent five minutes and be like, dang, like I just met God. It's a.

00;30;01;04 - 00;30;01;19
Speaker 1
Power nap.

00;30;01;19 - 00;30;16;19
Speaker 2
Right there. So yeah. So it's like quality over quantity. Now, I do think that we should develop the muscle of praying longer. Yeah. And and that happens over time. But for the guys that are listening, like you can start with a 3 to 5 minute prayer. Yeah.

00;30;16;19 - 00;30;22;05
Speaker 1
And it's it's amazing I think kind of what you had said like in muscle memory of consistency is is a big deal, right?

00;30;22;05 - 00;30;22;20
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;30;22;22 - 00;30;41;16
Speaker 1
Even if you did like those 3 to 5 minutes. Amen. I did 3 or 5 minutes in my car before I started driving like a little bit before I got to work. Like that stuff adds up. And I think the great part about it is it shows how you need to become increasingly dependent on the Lord. Like, if I just did the Sundays and you know what I'm saying?

00;30;41;16 - 00;30;50;17
Speaker 1
Like, all right, pull 35, 40 minutes of worship another so and so of the word and like I can expect to be satisfied with the Lord.

00;30;50;19 - 00;30;51;00
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;30;51;01 - 00;31;18;06
Speaker 1
Okay. Right. And it's like we need to develop the, the discipline of not only getting in the Lord's presence, but really just like even sitting there for, you know, longer pieces of time, you know, right. For ourselves, like, obviously we're going to pray for our wives and for our families, for our cities, for our nation. But just sitting in God's presence for yourself, needs to become something that you do prioritize because he realizes us one week away, you know, like we're important to him.

00;31;18;13 - 00;31;23;19
Speaker 1
And why wouldn't we want to, like, refresh ourselves with that knowledge that I'm matter to the God of the universe?

00;31;23;22 - 00;31;32;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. I like what you said, like, prioritization. Which to me is also like, what's that.

00;31;33;00 - 00;31;34;15
Speaker 1
Said? Prioritize his presence.

00;31;34;18 - 00;32;00;24
Speaker 2
Yes. Prioritize his presence, man. And then it makes me think of just persistence. You know like if I'm persistent and prioritize him. Yeah I can't help but yeah first of all develop the muscle for secondly get closer and feel closer. And thirdly it become more natural. Yeah. You know, I think that prayer is probably unnatural for a lot of people because it's like, yeah, well, I'll talk to people and I'll be in my own head.

00;32;00;26 - 00;32;16;28
Speaker 2
But reaching out and talking to this, like distant God. But yeah, but if I prioritize it and I'm persistent in it, he becomes more and more intimate and it becomes more and more normal. Yeah. To where I'm like, no, I actually feel like God is right here with me, and I can talk to him at any time.

00;32;16;28 - 00;32;35;16
Speaker 2
And. Good. You know, that was the promise. I actually preached it yesterday that that, God gave this promise to Israel through Jeremiah the prophet. Yeah. And he said, look, I'm going to write my law eventually on their hearts, right? It's going to be inside them. My spirit is going to be inside of them. Yeah. And so I'll be a close God.

00;32;35;16 - 00;32;53;18
Speaker 2
Right? I'll be with them every day. You don't only meet me in in the Holy of Holies or in the temple or in the the tabernacle. Like you meet me everywhere you are. Yeah, because I'm with you. I'm going with you. And so I think when we pray, we have to remember that, like, look, God is right here.

00;32;53;18 - 00;32;54;04
Speaker 1
That's great.

00;32;54;06 - 00;32;57;15
Speaker 2
He's in me. He's in my my heart, my spirit, my life.

00;32;57;15 - 00;32;58;07
Speaker 1
He's around me.

00;32;58;08 - 00;32;59;16
Speaker 2
Yeah, he's around me.

00;32;59;16 - 00;32;59;28
Speaker 1
That's good.

00;32;59;28 - 00;33;08;26
Speaker 2
He's in everything and on everything. And he's not like, damn praying to this. Like far, super far away guy. Daddy. You know, that's why Papa, I've heard other people, the.

00;33;08;26 - 00;33;09;15
Speaker 1
Sky wizard.

00;33;09;15 - 00;33;13;11
Speaker 2
You know. Yeah, the sky like sky. Gandalf the wizard. I'm reaching out to you now.

00;33;13;11 - 00;33;16;12
Speaker 1
Having Gandalf. Yeah. No, but Heavenly Gandalf.

00;33;16;15 - 00;33;18;27
Speaker 2
We've had a lot of Lord of the rings conversations this morning.

00;33;18;27 - 00;33;23;20
Speaker 1
I'm, I'm looking forward to the, next Lord of the rings illustrations that you implement in the sermon.

00;33;23;20 - 00;33;24;27
Speaker 2
Okay, we'll post about two.

00;33;24;27 - 00;33;26;27
Speaker 1
Week streak for Star Wars.

00;33;26;29 - 00;33;28;13
Speaker 2
It's time to bring Lord of the rings.

00;33;28;15 - 00;33;35;04
Speaker 1
He can. He can stick the, you know, the fictional references. It helps me out. It helps me out a lot for sure.

00;33;35;07 - 00;33;39;26
Speaker 2
But I think, like, shifting our mindset to like, know God is here.

00;33;40;00 - 00;33;40;16
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;33;40;18 - 00;33;44;21
Speaker 2
He's right here with me when I'm praying in my room. Yeah, he's there with.

00;33;44;22 - 00;34;02;14
Speaker 1
It's good. Yeah, yeah. I, I think one of the things to know for myself when with prayer is, is in just inviting God wherever you go. Right. And I learned this at the last Brotherhood event. Dude was talking about, how even like when he goes to the gym to work out just to keep, keep his mind in his his his.

00;34;02;17 - 00;34;20;26
Speaker 1
How can I say it? Like his intention focused on like developing his body and like, you know, just working out and stuff like that is there's a lot of power in inviting God into places that you. Yeah, probably just like by default. Like, okay, I got like by default, like if it's going to rallies, like getting some things for dinner, like I'm not going go out my way to invite the Lord there.

00;34;20;26 - 00;34;36;25
Speaker 1
However, it always it always does something. Would you invite the Lord into those places? Now, you may not have that super supernatural encounter, you know what I'm saying? Where you raise someone up who's been in a wheelchair for years, but the intention of inviting your dad with you just, Can you, like, just walk with me through this?

00;34;36;25 - 00;34;49;24
Speaker 1
Raises? I had a pretty crappy day, right? Like, it's going to be just one of those moments where, like, the Lord values you. Where you see that, right? I just want to walk with you. I just want to spend time with you like, hey, if you don't want to talk about your day, that's cool. But thank you for inviting me to walk with you.

00;34;49;24 - 00;35;00;02
Speaker 1
And I just see that the value in that as a son or daughter to a father, like, hey, I just want to hang out with you today. Like, you don't got to say much if you don't want to. Yeah, but I'm with you. And I think that stuff goes a long way, too, bro.

00;35;00;04 - 00;35;20;25
Speaker 2
And I think that's where, like, Paul was teaching the church in First Thessalonians where he tells them, like to pray without ceasing. And I think it was that it's, it's look, I'm talking to the Lord constantly. Yeah. Having communion with him when I'm driving, when I'm at work, when I'm, you know, obviously our mind gets occupied when we have to do other things.

00;35;20;25 - 00;35;44;05
Speaker 2
We have to have conversations. But when I have a moment, I can commune with him. Yeah, I can invite him with me to every space and place. Yeah. And what happens is when we do that, we're in those spaces and places now with a mindset, that I'm on mission and I'm, I'm walking in step with God. I see people different.

00;35;44;12 - 00;36;04;14
Speaker 2
I have more love and empathy. I'm more patient. I see my purpose in this, in this place in space. Not just, you know, gathering groceries, but, hey, maybe there's going to be a heavenly encounter where someone's going to need a word or an encouragement, or I'm going to be able to talk to a witness or maybe just show kindness.

00;36;04;14 - 00;36;20;18
Speaker 2
Right, exactly. But that's what like constant communion and prayer looks like. And I think we all need more of that. I know I need more of that. So yeah, I would respond so differently to so many circumstances. If I was praying without ceasing. Oh man. And it's something we'll never achieve, but it's something that we can stand to.

00;36;20;19 - 00;36;35;17
Speaker 1
We could strive. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah I, I agree with you man. So I think things like that, these are just like small practical things that I do like all those like small things. Like it all adds up. It all compounds. At the end of the day, it's where it's like, all right, like I really do depend on who God is, right?

00;36;35;17 - 00;36;48;10
Speaker 1
And I'm and like, I'll be honest with you all, like, there's some times where I'm super bitter towards the Lord to like, don't get it twisted. Like, you guys have no idea how many times I've let colorful language fly towards heaven.

00;36;48;12 - 00;37;04;23
Speaker 1
If I'm being honest. Right. Like even bro. Like for the mission trip, you know like. Oh man. Like, I didn't realize how important it was to be in prayer. Like. Yeah. Even towards like the last mission trip when we went to Tanzania or Tanzania, I said it wrong, but I didn't really realize it. And, it was crazy.

00;37;04;23 - 00;37;35;29
Speaker 1
The Lord had kind of did a speedrun in my heart and made it super callous to something that was, like, fairly gentle when I touched down in Africa. Right. And yeah, just I don't know, man. We can't we can't be ignoring prayer. We can't be ignoring like, things that God wants to do within our lives. And it gets easy to write it sometimes we don't mean it like, but I think going I think having different prompts and having different opportunities to connect with other brothers and other sisters, like could be the groups, could be, could be the, the ones they, you know, the ones they prayer rooms throughout the day, like.

00;37;36;01 - 00;37;55;28
Speaker 1
Yeah, are great moments to set aside time to connect with the Lord and just to see how he shows up. And one of the amazing things, Mark 434 I think the disciples are asking Jesus just about, hey, like, how did you learn about all of these parables? Because I think he told the parable about the seed on different soil and what happened to it.

00;37;56;00 - 00;38;15;04
Speaker 1
And in the in Mark 434 it says in private, Jesus explained everything to his disciples. And I think there is a power in privacy when you really do see God. And the good is for those 3 to 5 minutes, bro, like I, I would like to challenge everyone like, hey, come with the expectation that the Lord wants to reveal something to you.

00;38;15;04 - 00;38;24;16
Speaker 1
Yeah, but not only that, it's just for you in private. Just for you? Yeah, just for you. You know what I'm saying? Like you have to find out who God is individually to yourself. Not just towards mankind, bro.

00;38;24;18 - 00;38;32;03
Speaker 2
Yeah, no, that's only a problem, bro. I love that. And I mean, Jesus set the example for us. It shows us over and over that he retreated alone.

00;38;32;03 - 00;38;32;17
Speaker 1
Oh yeah.

00;38;32;17 - 00;38;54;18
Speaker 2
Right. To be with God, to spend time with God. He tarried with the Lord even in preparation for these, this moment of going to the cross. So he set the example of prayer. You know, he spent 40 days in the wilderness, like seeking God. I mean, all this when the disciples got beat up trying to cast out a demon, they're like, how come we couldn't do it?

00;38;54;18 - 00;39;15;04
Speaker 2
He's like, this only comes about by prayer and fasting and fasting. Yeah. He's like you don't you haven't been praying. You haven't been fasting. So how could you walk in my power? So ultimately, we're going to be the men of God, the men of faith. We want to be. We have to be men of prayer. Yeah. And so one thing we do on the men of Faith podcast, we always send them off with a call up.

00;39;15;04 - 00;39;16;05
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;39;16;08 - 00;39;18;24
Speaker 2
Philip. So. So what's your call up for the men?

00;39;18;24 - 00;39;24;28
Speaker 1
I would say, I'd say my call it for the boys. You know what I'm saying? For the damn.

00;39;24;29 - 00;39;25;12
Speaker 2
Boys.

00;39;25;13 - 00;39;48;16
Speaker 1
Them boys, the em boys. Damn boys. I would actually just challenge you guys to allow God to show up for you. That's an only risk, because, like, that's been one of my things for me, is the Lord had shared with me that I don't really allow him to show up as a dad. Yeah, because I have had wounds and and I will just challenge you guys to allow God to show up the way he wants to show up for you as a dad, allow him to support you, allow God to celebrate you, allow God to love you.

00;39;48;16 - 00;40;07;28
Speaker 1
And I think those are a lot of areas in my heart that I remain very prideful and arrogant in. And I didn't realize how much I didn't allow God to show up as a dad for me. Yeah. You know, so I'd allow I'd really just challenge you guys and even, whoever else you know, like watches is to just allow God to show up for you, you know, allow him and just allow him to just be there for you.

00;40;07;29 - 00;40;22;01
Speaker 1
Whatever. It's in your room in private. You know what? I'm saying? And public at your job. Allow him just to show up for you and just be proud of you. Right? Like it does wonders in any of. It's like a little by little, you know? Yeah. I think that's how all relationships start. He was never always God the Father to me.

00;40;22;01 - 00;40;32;07
Speaker 1
He used to be God the stranger, you know. And I think the more that I let him into these areas, I could slowly see him and accept him, his God the Father or God the God, the Papa.

00;40;32;10 - 00;40;42;19
Speaker 2
There you go. Yeah. That's so good, man. And then my call up would be, hey, that you just, set aside a time every day to connect with the.

00;40;42;19 - 00;40;43;01
Speaker 1
Lord is.

00;40;43;01 - 00;41;03;20
Speaker 2
Good. And I think it doesn't have to start huge. I think so often God's like. Well, then I got to pray for an hour, like, hey, start with five minutes, you know? Yeah, set a timer. If you're like, I can't go more than five and then start to stretch that muscle. But my encouragement to all the men listening in my call up right now is that you would begin to prioritize prayer and connection with the Lord.

00;41;03;20 - 00;41;13;15
Speaker 2
Yeah, daily. And so just set apart one time in your day that you would have a conversation with God and begin to develop that muscle of prayer.

00;41;13;16 - 00;41;15;14
Speaker 1
That's good. Phillip.

00;41;15;16 - 00;41;18;06
Speaker 2
Thanks for being on first try, my Filipino brother.

00;41;18;06 - 00;41;18;24
Speaker 1
Oh yeah.

00;41;18;24 - 00;41;21;18
Speaker 2
If you don't know, I'm Filipino too because I'm married to one.

00;41;21;23 - 00;41;24;03
Speaker 1
He is well well done, if anything.

00;41;24;05 - 00;41;25;07
Speaker 2
Why are you full Filipino?

00;41;25;10 - 00;41;27;24
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think so.

00;41;27;27 - 00;41;31;24
Speaker 2
I think, well, Filipinos are a mix of other things. So, you know, we'll.

00;41;31;26 - 00;41;44;16
Speaker 1
I'll, I'll take I'll take some credit for it. Not man. A funny thing, one of the things that, we even he said our wedding when he married Dallas and I is that I mentioned to him like. Yeah, when I saw him and Chris, he, I said, yeah, y'all are just the inverse of Dallas and myself. Yeah.

00;41;44;21 - 00;41;49;13
Speaker 1
Just because, you know, like she's Filipino, he's you know, not Filipino in this case.

00;41;49;15 - 00;41;50;14
Speaker 2
And you and your wife are the up.

00;41;50;15 - 00;41;58;26
Speaker 1
Yeah, we're the opposite now. No. I was like, oh I feel and I remember my first I was like, oh, I feel at home already. But I shouldn't feel too at home because I'm still mad at God. So yeah.

00;41;58;26 - 00;41;59;26
Speaker 2
Because I don't want to be I.

00;41;59;26 - 00;42;01;29
Speaker 1
Don't want to be at church, man. I'm a tough man.

00;42;02;05 - 00;42;03;26
Speaker 2
Three years later or three.

00;42;03;26 - 00;42;07;22
Speaker 1
Years later, I'm in the front row every Sunday and I serving kids.

00;42;07;25 - 00;42;16;23
Speaker 2
I love it. Well, hey Phil, appreciate you man. Thank you for the conversation and for encouraging the guys. I think we all learn more about prayer.

00;42;16;23 - 00;42;17;06
Speaker 1
Oh, man.

00;42;17;10 - 00;42;34;11
Speaker 2
And what that looks like. So many faith. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for being a part. Hey, if you are getting a lot out of this, share it. Like it? Yeah. Subscribe. If you haven't subscribed, also be sure to follow us on Instagram and a faith pod. We share clips when new episodes drop. Let you guys know when things are coming out.

00;42;34;17 - 00;42;39;25
Speaker 2
But thanks for being a part of this journey with us. And, love y'all. Grace and peace.