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A Marvel Rivals Podcast hosted by Coach Mills and CaptainCoach, two creator and educators for Marvel Rivals. We discuss all things Rivals including META, balance and the future of development. We will often debate controversial topics that surround the game and plan to bring on many exciting guests from pros to devs!!!
What's up everyone and welcome to a brand new ClearCom's podcast.
Today we're welcoming returning guest Light to talk about the balance of the game and also
new guest, my Magneto Goat Persixo is what I call him.
like he's about to eat a delicious.
He's got his eat-out ready to dig in,
so much to talk about.
But yeah, and today we're gonna be mainly talking about season six.
We're gonna be talking about the balance change.
We're gonna talk about Deadpool.
uh I wanna kick it off to light first off.
You expressed some frustration at the start of season six with the balance.
How do you feel about the way that they balanced the game going into season six?
I think like I've said this before but every single patch they kind of failed to address
the problem with the game and If they do address the problem like they did I actually made
a video about how they nerfed Deadpool They did a hotfix nerf which we'll talk about in a
second But they acknowledge what the problem is with a character or like what characters
are strong and weak and then not do anything about it or nerf Gambit's ult charge by 3 %
and then call it a day when he's pick or ban
So we have to deal with another month of Gambit for no reason.
I'm in.
It's kind of a nothing burger patch as we expected.
Gene still dominates the game.
Blade is still terrible.
know, grass is green, water is wet, like nothing new, know?
Like...
Yeah, I think I think I did see like either a clip from you or like maybe part of your
video where the dev said something like Jean Grey is doing really really good and then
they moved on and they didn't they didn't say she's doing good So we're gonna do this
thing to her.
They just said she's doing great
they said Jean Grey, Star-Lord, Hela, Bucky, uh and Daredevil were all doing very well,
and they nerfed the one character that keeps Jean Grey in check from the DPS pool, which
is Daredevil.
He is the only hero that can beat her in a 1v1, her and Hela, and they keep nerfing him.
So it's only a matter of time before even Daredevil
we'll just fall over and lose to Jean Grey.
So it's just like...
they really favored that hitscan.
They just love hitscan in this game.
And Elsa Bloodstone, I can already see it now.
Hitscan, get off me tool with escape, insane close range damage, sniper has an ult that
makes her invincible, teleport with iframes, like all of them have it.
Like it's just copy and paste three times.
I played that new map, I don't know who Elsa Bloodstone is, so I thought that was just
Rogue with red hair, and my chat promptly just roasted me for it.
It's gonna be really fucking hard to tell these characters apart at some point I'm telling
you like it's actually gonna be in fucking possible
against EnVyZ and Cloak, I can't tell.
Like I'll call the other one on accident.
I'll say I'm on Cloak and it's the EnVyZ.
Emma's a little bit different because she's a little bigger, but yeah, the supports, like
especially when they're next to each other, they're both in white, they both have blonde
hair, like it's like, I don't know.
Percio, sorry, this just making me think.
One of my favorite shorts of him is when he's reacting to the Lady Loki skin.
And he's like, man, I think I'm a little conflicted.
I was cracking up.
But yeah, dude, I feel like the skins, same problem League of Legends has.
Like, it's just so much color.
You gotta learn not only what their animations look like, but the animations for like five
different skins.
I turned off all the VFX stuff and it's still...
This gives me an opportunity to bitch about something I wanted to bitch about for a while.
We should be able to flip a switch and turn off all skins.
Teammate skins, opponent skins.
I should not have to look at like, in-viz, look five different fucking colors in a play
session.
Like, she needs to look the same color at all times, if I want her to.
ah I mean, that's how they do it in like a lot of competitive games where, like that's
like one of the main reasons that...
Like a lot of games, I think it was Valorant never did character skins, because you need
to be able to identify the characters, right?
Like, just make it a flip flippable thing.
I think it'd be super easy to see, you know, red, blue, whatever.
I think it's like, it's really cool.
I actually really like the skins in this game.
How they change the audio, I mean that's big deal.
It changes the effects and stuff like that.
And that was like one of my biggest complaints when I first started playing Overwatch.
I remember equipping the, it was like 2016 before any like major skins were in the game in
Overwatch 1.
And I remember equipping the, I think it's the carbon skin for Genji.
It's like black and blue.
And I thought to myself when I was playing it, I was like, yeah, his shuriken color is
still green when he throws it like the trail.
And I thought that should just be blue, right, to match the color of the skin.
And then any skin that didn't follow that green format, I never used because it just
seemed out of whack.
But this game doesn't have that problem, which I think is really cool, how all the
designs, the colors, the visual effects, they all change, and it actually makes a skin
feel like a skin.
But it does have that competitive problem where there should be an option, at least on
your side, where you can disable it.
And it would make it much easier to discern what's going on.
Because there are like the Jeff puddle.
uh
Certain sue skins as well were like the outline of her barrier is much harder for me to
tell personally so
yeah, would with I think I need to turn it off but I think it's the cloak like ice trail
like I have no fucking idea where that starts and ends like at all um in her ultimate um
the color.
I hate it when the skins change the audio.
Because I feel like when I play games, I rely on that kind of stuff so much.
apparently, uh actually react, like humans react quicker to sound than they do from sight.
So like audio cues are actually way more important in a lot of situations.
um Want to start talking about the meta, Coach Mills?
Well yeah, yeah, well I wanted to ask...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I wanted to ask you a question, Purrse.
Because you've been mag, I mean you're a mag one trick, you basically only play mag every
single game.
Yeah, this is the alpha...
Mm-hmm.
I appreciate that, I appreciate that.
tank in the tournament.
Percio is, I didn't have to fight to get him on, we're glad he's here.
I'm glad he's here, man.
Hell yeah.
do you feel about, uh like, how do you feel about Poke in general?
Cause I think like a lot of us, it's like, especially Light and I, we generally dislike
Poke being meta for so long.
We really dislike the power of like, Hela and Jean Grey.
uh But how do you feel about Magneto?
Like, what's Magneto's place in that?
Do you think Magneto is, like, how do you feel about Double Bubble?
Do you think he's too strong?
How do you see it?
How do you see the meta?
I'm gonna be honest like I think the reason why I'm gonna go a little back story quick I
think the reason I climbed so hard was because I low-key like Learned mag first and
everyone else so like for example when once people realize you can all a punisher I was
already ulting cloaks once they can all cloaks I was already eating gruel with it You know
what I mean, so I thought I was evolving faster, and I felt like the whole bubble thing so
what I would do as a mag right
Yo, guys burn mag burn the other back so he has to force bubble himself, right?
You have to force bubble himself So now when I pop my own they pop their cloak go because
now mags low he has no bubble now the cloak is free Now that skill expression is kind of
gone But I'm of the opinion though that mag should have always had two bubbles like for me
It made no sense when I played in the alpha Magneto only had I'm pretty sure he couldn't
bubble himself He was only able to like project the bubble in the during during the alpha
and I was like, is this?
This is so weird
So when the beta came out, he was able to bubble himself and somebody else.
I was like, that's pretty cool.
But was like, this still feels a little weird.
I feel like I'm like, it's two separate abilities, but it's the same cooldown.
But with the whole poke meta, I'm going be honest, Hela and Phoenix, they got to go.
They got to go.
And I feel like Mag is just a, he's a victim for how good Hela and Phoenix are.
Because so Mag, I think Mag's overall like, man, I want to glaze him, but like I know he's
so good.
I know he's a good tank, but.
I think Mag suffers from the fact that he's one of the most bad like Sigma for example
like no one complains about Sigma But you know in a Sigma Sigma you know what I mean an
overwatch like you know when they're dominating Yeah, so like Mag is one of the most
consistent tanks and the fact that Hela and Phoenix just synergize so well with Mag like
people just villainize him like they they throw him in like you know like the villain pool
with them, but I just think Phoenix and Hela need like
It's rough though because like you don't want to learn from too much because then people
like for example thing will be unstoppable like like it'll just be unstoppable and then
other characters like you know Pure bra would just be the meta but then I prefer bra.
I mean, I don't know i'm gonna be honest It's it's phoenix hella and hawkeye that are the
issue I think mag and I mean strange is kind of really isn't poke But I think I think mag
is in a healthy place right now to be honest because his bubbles are paper mache now Like
you break his bubble in like two hits they're broken.
So now I think mag instead of him having like a like
an instant 300 HP.
Now it's like you have to time your bubble.
Now it's about time.
Because before you're able to bubble cloak and then it'll stay on her and then they'll put
an entire clip and she'll live.
But now if you bubble too early, they'll break that bubble when she's dead.
So I think there is, instead of the whole, oh, myself or her, now it's timing instead.
So I went on a tangent, my bad, my bad.
that's perfect.
Yeah.
Well, what do you, what do you think?
What do you think?
Okay.
I kind of wanted to, so you're saying that people think Mag is stronger than he actually
is because of how well he pairs with hitscan, which is OP?
I think, like what I think, I think it's the fact that since MAG is so well designed
compared to the other tanks, like for example, Hulk, Thor, Emma, Emma's on like an NFV
side, like, it's either tanks are OP, like, you know, like for example, I'm gonna throw
Angela in there cause she's OP, but Angela and freaking, and freaking Emma, and then you
have people like Hulk and Thing, and then MAG is so well balanced that it doesn't matter,
like, like no one's ever gonna complain about a MAG, like ever.
So I think.
about mag since release bro I'm sorry to cut you off I'm sorry to cut you off but mag mag
in my in my opinion I don't think a character that has a shield that has like the shield
can absorb an infinite amount of damage on a timer I think the bubble change was really
bad for the game because it removed your ability to punish the mag for making a mistake
and his right click is broken a tank that has 675 HP 250 bubble infinite shield
should not one shot you.
I think they should nerf the right click, nerf the damage on the right click, reduce his
ult charge to compensate, and then take away double bubble and he's fine.
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
just bro I must just be a magnet because I swear I get hit by that at least like two or
three times a day and it kills me.
It's so obnoxious.
And the fact that it cancels your movement too, like...
Spider-Man does have a little bit of fixed, like during his uppercut, it's really easy to
hit him, like right click him on.
I f- Like, I- needs the knockback, for sure.
He needs the knockback.
I think that's good.
But the damage?
And I think it doesn't happen as much as it used to because every fucking character is 275
now for no reason.
Like, if I was in charge of the game, I would take that away, but a lot more heroes would
be 250.
Like, Cloak does not need to be 275 with how strong her bubble infested.
Adam should be 275 because he has zero mobility.
Sue does not need to be 275.
Gamut does not need to be 275.
Like, the list goes on, right?
Adam's iffy though, because Adam could like, he'll hit full health bar with like a cool,
you know what I mean?
So like he, in essence has three health bars.
tied to his own healing.
Like, if you're healing yourself like that selfishly, you can no longer heal your tanks or
your DPS.
So like, it's a trade-off.
It's a sacrifice, it's a decision, which is good for the game.
Like, it requires skill and knowledge to understand, do I trust my other support to carry
me out of this because I need my packs to burst-heal my DPS or tanks?
Or do I heal myself?
There's like a trade-off, and that's a good design.
And that's...
You get more healing if you look at the ground, because it bounces.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
healing.
So if you're low and you snap and heal someone in front of you, you'll get some of the
healing, but it won't full heal you unless you look away.
What is with this HP power creep that we're seeing in the first place?
Like I don't fucking understand.
I think from the moment they buffed Bucky's health back in season fucking 1, was it?
When he went from 250 to 275 even though he already gained shields when he used abilities.
And then ever since then they've just been like now fucking Hella when she flies she gets
over shield.
Jean started at 275 that gets fucking healing.
Star...
Starlord flipping like...
And then you know all the supports just adding like what's...
I don't understand this concept of just constantly buffing things held so that you don't
have to nerf something else.
Like there's something that obviously needs to be nerfed and they're just like, we're not
gonna nerf dive, we're just gonna buff the HP of like five different characters.
It's like you will have characters power levels be up here, like Jean, like Hella, and
instead of just bringing them down, they will just buff them or leave them as they are,
and then they'll take these shit heroes and then they won't close the gap enough.
So it's like always, like they're buffing the strong heroes and the shit heroes stay down
here, but they never buff these heroes enough to get them to catch up to where it matters.
Like how many times has Blade received one damage on his sword?
Like hello?
Like,
And he's like...
they just don't understand that Blade is in the bottom of the barrel and Jean Grey is up
here and doing one damage to a sword or taking away like Jean's Beyblade tech, like that's
gonna do anything.
Like that shouldn't even in the game in the first place.
Like she was still broken.
And Blades, from his changes now, allowing his sword to...
Yeah, he got nerfed.
is that?
Like it should even be a debate whether it's a buff or a nerf.
Like I don't actually care, but the fact that there's an argument that it's a nerf is
problematic.
I don't, I don't get it.
And one of the things, oh, what were you saying, Cap?
was just going to say with the mag bubble before we go away from that, I kind of like the
old bubble.
obviously the new one, think is stronger, but I like the choice that you had, you know,
with, you have a one really strong shield that it's for sure going to work.
It was more like more tactical in a way.
And I feel like that's kind of gone.
be so okay if they gave Mags bubble like 400 HP instead of 300 or even 450 if he only had
one.
Because I could play like Iron Fist or Wolf or like a Tank Buster character like that and
if I saw the Mag go bubble his backline, immediately I'm going on the Mag to punish him.
Exactly, and the Mag has to think about that, like does my backline need this?
Because I need it for myself for this Iron Fist or Wolf, like there was a mind game there,
right?
And that's gone, they just made it skillless.
like...
They're just trying to make everything too easy and convenient rather than like...
Yeah, like I said, more strategic.
When you have really strong abilities that only have a limited use, I think you actually
have to time them better.
And now with MAGA, I feel like you're not as worried about saving yourself or using the
bubble for damage a lot of the time.
oh
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what the strategy, how you're supposed to do that, but usually when I play
Mag, I'll sometimes just shield myself and run in now, and I don't even have to think.
There's no real, no spacing involved.
definitely.
know if Perch will agree with me here, but I think in a world where like, let's just say
there's a world where Jean and Hela are both like B tier, B tier characters, like they
nerf them enough to be B tier.
I think that Magneto would just get dog walked by like Angela, Thor, things that can
displace him like nonstop.
but the reason that like the only thing that's holding back like a character like Angela
even slightly in the meta is that like she has, like I think her few DPS bad matchups are
like.
with Gene, Hella, Namor, stuff that can actually marker.
good into them.
No, she's good into Hella.
She's okay into Jean.
Okay into Namor.
Her, like, biggest problem is, like, Bucky, Thing, our Wit Gatekeeper.
I mean, every other DPS is also bad against her.
I can't think of another DPS that's like good.
fist spider-man wolf are all good in there.
Yeah There are there are some characters that can deal with her but she her her niche
right now is She's very very very strong Like her ults is very strong like Neymar for
example or Jeff like those two all combos are insane But it's more so to mark the hella to
mark the gene to mark the moon knight to mark like the flanking Range DPS that is looking
to like flank and kill your back line.
That's what she really excels at because she can't really kidnap
the same way she used to be able to just because Sue got that buff on her range so Sue can
always pull her off.
um But if Sue is out of the game and if no one's on Thing you can definitely take over the
lobby as Angela but like Thing is just gonna make you purple now and punch you for half
your HP and keep you on the ground permanently.
That character is like the most power-crapped character in the entire game.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
like usually Angeles don't really do too much.
I don't like having Angeles on my team.
I think Thing got power crept because of how strong poke is though.
Like they had like they they just kept on buffing and buffing and buffing like in any
other fucking meta in a brawl meta in a dive meta like Thing would have already been good
before they buffed him like ten times but
like...
What made me like really digest the thing pill recently is I remember there was a game I
was playing on Spider-Man.
I swung past the thing at like max speed.
He sees me, turns around, charges his punch, follows me across the map.
I get purpled, he takes away half my HP, and then he slams instantly, kills my momentum,
and then he just punches me again and I die.
And I sat there thinking to myself, what happened to this character?
jump to enemies used to never be a thing.
I would never have been purple, and I would have never taken half of my HP instantly from
one punch.
It's crazy.
He's, yeah, so I play a lot of thing.
We're actually about to bring on the rank one thing, because we had a guest bail out at
the last minute.
Appreciate you coming in the clutch with that light.
But the damage amp is just in the meta, just so good.
Just with how the game works.
But on paper, thematically for a thing, it's really not like, getting kills is really hard
to do in the neutral.
And you can kind of do that right now.
You can also kill through ults with it.
Which is just like two very important things when there's just like everyone, like we were
talking about earlier, has that bonus health.
Everyone's just like really hard to kill.
But what really sold it for me with Thing, I knew the damage amp was good, but it's the
fact that a lot of his matchups flipped.
Like you can kind of just farm Groot now as Thing, never die.
That matchup used to be heavily Groot favored.
It's now kind of like, I wouldn't say Thing favored, but Thing can outplay it for sure.
then like Emma's not that bad either.
Like feel like Emma's actually killable just again, because of the damage amp.
Like you're not stuck in there with.
Then they're stuck in there with you with thing.
I feel like you can solo tank on him too.
So I mean, yeah, he's nuts.
I don't think he's S, but think he's like high A.
If they were to...
See the problem with Gene and Hela is if those two characters were brought down, and if
Bucky was brought down too, like the standing hitskins, they would have to make drastic
changes to so many different parts of the game because those three heroes like hard gate
keep so many characters and it's kind of like a house of cards where if Gene is no longer
in the game, Spider-Man's better, Magic is better, Daredevil is better, Hulk is better,
like every dive character immediately becomes so strong and I think that...
They would have to tune down all of the dive heroes I think like I think they should do
that by the way like Jean and Hella should not be beating dive heroes in close range like
let's keep it a thousand you know if you are watching this or if anybody like Plays any
dive melee DPS.
You know exactly what I'm talking about You should never lose to a sniper when you have a
sword in close range ever.
That's just nonsensical I've talked about it a thousand times, but with Jean and Hella
with Hella you need to decide Are you gonna keep the stun?
or are you gonna keep the bird?
It's one of the two, it can't be both.
She needs to be immobile or weak at close range, one of the two.
She cannot be all three or she breaks the fundamentals of the game.
And Jean, she needs to be a mid-ranged mobile hitscan.
like, you separate her from Bucky in Namor in the sense that she doesn't have a stun, but
we can make her blink at a lower cooldown, make her HP 250, and then you can leave the
rest of her, maybe nerf the ult as well.
but she should kind of be like the sojourn of this game where you could play a mobile DPS
player that hitscans players can play in the context of a dive.
But she should not dominate at every range like she does right now.
Yeah.
Not like Sojourn, but I get what you're talking about.
Well, I was terrorized by Sojourn for seasons, but yeah,
bro, like, one more thing real quick is this game has such a bad issue of homogenizing the
characters in it, especially in DPS.
They do this with Iron Fist and Wolf.
They keep making an Iron Fist a tank buster for a melee DPS when Wolf already does that.
They made Jeans fall off better, so she was more like Hela.
And they already have Hela, Jean, and Black Widow, which is all basically the same three
characters fundamentally.
And they just keep making all the characters the same.
Bucky and Namor are the same character too.
They do the same thing.
It's a standing hitscan or a ranged character that deals with dive.
We need to differentiate all of our characters.
There's no one else like Magneto in the game.
He's the only poke tank.
But think about Venom Cap, Angela Thor, and Hulk.
They all kind of do the same thing.
We need more variety in the play styles.
you said the three things that make hits scan OP, the third one being they do too much
damage in close range.
What about making it so they just do less damage when people are within melee range of
them?
Absolutely, think reverse falloff which referring to would be a great solution too like
you you could even keep Hellas everything the same right now But make her do less damage
the closer she is to the target
Are there any games that have done that?
Like competitive games?
Yeah, I've never heard of that.
I know people were talking about that for Widowmaker and Overwatch for the longest time.
To make it to where she can't one shot you close range.
Like within 20 meters or something like that.
Which I think would have been a great change.
But yeah, I mean, I would love to see them take any direction to making the hitscans more
vulnerable in close range.
Or going in the opposite route.
Keep their lethality but remove the stun or remove the mobility.
Or...
remove their range capabilities so I'm not playing Spider-Man getting one shot across the
map but also getting one shot in close range like pick your poison it can't be everything
cause one of the things that in my opinion is a big problem, think you probably agree with
me Light, is that a lot of characters, traditionally in hero shooters there's like poke,
dive and brawl.
There's three different, in a more traditional hero shooter, it's like poke typically has
an advantage against brawl because they can play at a range and brawl needs to close in
the gap, that's the whole challenge.
then dive has an advantage against poke because they can be surgical and attack these off
angles.
One of the problems though is that so many characters are just like a combination of
fucking everything.
Jean Grey has insane brawl capabilities and poke capabilities.
So if you have a character that has both, where does their weakness lie?
In the fucking pie chart.
It's like similar, just like Emma has insane poke and brawl capabilities too.
That's why it's extremely hard to counteract her.
There's not really like big fundamental weaknesses in these characters.
Yeah.
uh
Well, like, like, like, I'm just like, imagine if they took Hulk and then they gave him
better, like just as good of brawl as thing, like.
second cooldown like is all and did like half their health
yeah if we were to make Hulk as strong as Jean Grey We would give him his alts right click
on a two second cooldown in the neutral like literally like that is that is unironically
how strong Jean Grey is compared to the rest of the cast is giving Hulk his alt right
click base form would make him probably still weaker than her by the way, but that would
make him relative to her which is insane, bro, like
the issue with a lot of DPS though.
I think they're all like that.
All the poke are like that.
Like Moon Knight for example, Moon Knight, like on paper, he's supposed to be a really
good like, for example, like in the Krakoa map, right?
When they're all in little right corner.
He's meant to like disrupt like the death ball play style.
He's meant to, but this dude could poke you out, 1v1 you.
This dude, like if you're in his face, you could just unk and just right click, right
click.
Then he gets over shield.
Like it's insane the fact that.
they fucking made before he had, I think he had clear weaknesses, like clear strengths and
weaknesses.
But then they gave him the second jump, the fucking second onk, they added a million
different things to him, the shields on his right click.
Like every time there's a character that is weak in any way, they want that character to
be strong in the way that they're weak instead of super strong in the way that they're
strong.
Like I think characters should have very specific strengths.
And like it would encourage people to be more flexible as players when...
They can't just pick a character that does fucking everything.
Like, characters-
okay.
I think it's okay to have characters like if they mitigate their weaknesses a little bit
like if we Like double down on the aspect of a character strength We get like a penny
problem, right?
Like penny super toxic for the game 60 % win rate like whatever and if we if we just keep
doubling down on her strengths exactly It's a problem and moon knight I think was this the
issue of like he's already good at what he does But he was so easy to kill that they
buffed his base HP They gave him the two right clicks the over shield was I think was fine
He's still weak against dive though, but yeah.
Yeah.
is a little corny and should probably be taken a look at.
I would rather give him new ability entirely and then just increase his projectile speed
to make him more consistent.
But Jean does the same thing that Moon Knight does.
It's just hitscan and she has self-healing and she has an instant blink with iframes and
she can fly on demand and her ult does the same thing as Moon Knight but it breaks all
deployables, it one-shots you, it chains, it does everything.
It hits you through walls.
It gives her full HP, it makes her invincible for 5 seconds, she can fly it for 20
seconds, like it just goes on and on and on with this fucking character, man.
And I don't get it, like-
Yeah, no, I feel you.
I'm not when Jean pops her ult like what I hate about like I'm gonna be on her ult is
like, okay first Yeah, yeah.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous But her ult specifically that like I hate like something that I hate
about it is the fact that she could like first of all It's a get out of jail free card no
matter where you could be Groot ulted, ulted You can still press that button, right?
It's the fact that she could go up there and sit up there for eight seconds and you you
like you like like
Imagine this right you're in a team fight.
You're in a team fight.
She pops her own everyone looks up to burn obviously But then she's just holding there and
then now you're like Like look up and down up and down like you you can't ignore cuz now
it what is it like a 400 HP?
Like you can you like like with both five You see what I mean like bro, like now you have
to like because before you were able to kill it dude never never
to 450.
I must have dreamed that though.
It was a good dream, I guess.
dreamed.
uh
of funny to me, Light, that a lot of stuff you're saying is 100 % true about Hela too,
right?
That she's super strong in close range too, she has the stun and all that stuff.
And the devs were like, you you believe it about Hela, fuck you, I'm gonna make a
character that does that even better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they literally, she was already breaking the rules, and then they made a
character that broke the rules even harder.
And don't even get me started about how they released her with the fucking melee tech.
Like literally being like a better brawler than like actual brawlers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm still traumatized by that shit.
mean, you remember, Cap.
You remember, yeah.
there's a clip of me playing venom into Tapp, like freaking out about that.
Where I have 1500 HP, I'm stalling the point on cart, it's overtime, my team is coming
back, Tapp just walks up to me and spins around, dances like a fucking butterfly and one
shots me as I hit scan.
Like, well played bro.
Like, awesome.
and those of you who are watching, if you think we're going too hard on Jean Grey, I want
you to think about the many DPS in the game that have never once been A tier.
They've never been A tier.
They've always been B or below.
And Jean Grey has just been allowed to fucking exist here.
They've never thought, oh, maybe we should make her bad.
No, she's never been fucking bad.
Neither has Ella.
They've never been bad ever once in this entire game.
what you did to Torch, Neddies.
Yeah, like what's the problem if they ever over nerf her they could just buffer later if
they really want to but We just they just keep doing this thing where they just tweak a
character like this fucking much and call it good
I will never forget reading the patch notes after Gambit's first relief and seeing his ult
charge nerfed by 200 points.
I will never forget that.
It is actually the most disrespectful, incompetent, brain dead change I have ever seen.
It's worse than Blizzard.
Like I suffered six years, seven years.
No, listen, listen Mills, listen.
Blizzard, hear me out.
I know you know what I'm talking about.
Hear me out.
Blizzard, Blizzard was super slow.
and hard grief the balance of the game, I agree.
But...
Yes.
Yes.
Listen, hear me out.
Absolutely Blizzard is incompetent and horrible too.
But at least when they finally made their balance patches, it made sense.
Like, okay, we're nerfing Brig for the 15th time.
At least she's getting nerfed a little bit.
Okay, they're nerfing Sojourn.
Okay, they're nerfing...
Like, there was logic here, right?
With Nettys?
They'll take the best character in the game?
15 % better falloff.
Bird 400 to 500.
Blade, one damage on his sword, nerfed the gun.
Like, it doesn't make sense.
Mr.
Fantastic nerfed in season 3.5.
Iron Man nerfed in season 3.5.
Squirrel Girl's nerf, like, there was a change to Squirrel Girl where they made her
fucking left click.
They went to like 115 to 110 or something like that.
They like nerfed Squirrel Girl out of nowhere.
Like, it doesn't make sense!
It doesn't make sense!
with you bro, but imagine if they nerfed Emma eight times still she was the best character
in the game and then they instituted a roll lock in rivals like that would be the
Equivalent because that's exactly what they fucking did like they never actually they
never actually balanced bring by the way They still like they never actually balanced like
it, but anyways it but yeah
it's not a fair comparison, but you get what I'm saying, they just...
I'm just hoping one day we'll get a patch where it's like, my god, they finally listened.
Like, Jean is nerfed, Blade is buff, Emma, Mag are not turbo dominant in every single
lobby, Groot's Iron Wulch...
Okay, for Groot, I think his ult charge should be increased by the way.
There's no reason.
Like, I've been playing Groot Moon Knight a lot in scrims recently.
There is...
first?
No, no, no, slower, slower, okay, slower,
My heart almost popped out of my chest.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
been saying that I've been saying that bro, and people call me crazy.
Call me a madman They called me a madman when I said this and Magnet and might ease above
to I agree No, hear me out though.
Wait, I'm a spit.
Let me cook real quick.
Let me cook real quick because let me cook real quick.
Let me cook real quick
is the hella of tanks.
He's always been good.
He's never been bad.
wait, wait.
This is ridiculous.
This is propaganda.
I'm here to spread when Mag is meta, the game is better propaganda over here.
So hear me out, right?
When Mag, back in I think was like season one or 1.5, I'm not sure.
But for some reason, supports were outraged because Mags grew, like they grew wrinkles in
there.
Cause by the way, that was my tech by the way.
I was the first prince to ever own a cloak.
Put my name out.
That was the first one I ever do that.
But.
So ever since that happened, other mag mains grew wrinkles in their brains.
Like, oh, we also support ults.
So the supports are like, wait, what the freak?
You're going to kill me my ult?
So then you know what that ease does?
They made the slowest ult, the slowest charging ult in the game.
They said, F it, nerf it again.
Just just nerf it.
Just nerf his ult.
I think mags ult, he needs to get it faster because there's no reason.
Here we are.
I'm a cook real quick.
There's no reason why cloak is 50 % to her second ult and I'm on 80%.
There's no reason for that.
No reason because think about it group gets his old as fast as moon night Emma gets her
Emma kind of iffy but like all these characters get their old so fast and mag Yeah, bro,
it makes no sense to me because this guy mag this guy mag like everyone has already popped
their oats and you're on 80 like I think that's just like like it just doesn't feel like I
believe games should make you should feel good on both sides, right?
It should feel good on both sides.
It doesn't feel good.
Like it doesn't feel good as a mag when
Too cloaked a Loki ulted a mantis just ulted and then a cloak just ulted and then you're
on 80 % Like like it makes no sense.
Also i'm of the opinion where Where I think mag I think it should be a slightly slower But
I think he should always have it when at least the second support is ulting you know what
I mean?
but that's usually never the case because like like for demo like That's the issue that's
the only issue with mag though is the fact that he's so good like he's so good that if
they were to like, you know
balance that out that they would have to take something from him, is like, so I think give
him his 300 HP bubble, take away his second bubble and bring his ult down.
bring it to where he can get his ult.
Give him his ult, cause.
nerf the right click.
Nerf the right click.
the thing, like, if you completely, like, gut his right click, I feel like Magneto just
feels like this character that does fucking nothing in the mid-fight.
Like, absolutely nothing.
change the break point where you can't left click, right click, left click and kill
somebody.
Leave them with 10 HP.
You don't have to nerf the damage by much, but in return, you're getting a stronger bubble
and you're getting your ult faster.
But they're thinking with the second one.
So if they think with the second one, you gotta like, like.
just feel like in the neutral you'd like, it feels good when you're rewarded for having
good aim on mag.
I know that that kind of feels weird, but like people can't, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm telling.
it's the hitbox the size of the sun, bro.
It's unmissable.
Swear to God.
But primary right click primary on like a moving target is it could be pretty hard It's
not it's not the easiest thing in the world like Magneto's Magneto's are people will say
all the time and maybe it was like actually hard to aim on like that's what people like
hitting directs uh
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
And then the re- don't even get me started on the reload.
Don't even get me started on his reload.
His reload is the worst reload in the game.
Like there's no reason that Strange could-
you automatically heavily nerf his right click when you give him only one bubble too.
Like that already nerfs his right click, because he gets less...
like people to know this, when they nerfed Mags, because Mags used to have 300 HP bubble,
then they nerfed it to 250, then they added the second one and gave them both 200, right?
They shadow nerfed them because the way the bubble works, so when it was 300 HP, for every
hundred damage the bubble took, you got a ring back for free.
So before you were able to...
Like for example, bubble yourself, right click, break bubble, right click.
So you're able to do two right clicks and like, like right click, right click like
instantly.
But now you can't even do that anymore.
So like Mag was able to like to punish you.
Like, like if you shot his bubble and you were like trying to 1v1 him, like he got like,
for example, primary right click, right click.
And then you took like, like that's it.
You're dead.
But now since, since it's 250, even if you break his bubble, you start to wait for that
last ring to finish loading.
So like there's like a little break point, which feels like uncomfortable if that makes
sense.
But only once I can ask for it.
there's like a lot of...
ahead, Coach.
a reload, I felt like it would have been Magneto.
It makes no sense that he has a reload at all to me.
sense, no sense.
I think Mag shouldn't have a reload, but I don't wanna ruffle some favors, but I think Mag
should not have a reload.
honestly be I'd honestly be okay with him not having a reload if they took away double
bubble and nerf the right click Like I will just there will just never be there will never
be a part of my brain This is okay for a tank that has that much defensive power to also
have the ability to instantly kill you like if
but like he would actually have enough pressure to just like constantly push back lines
and do what you said, Percio, get like, he's all charged before supports if he didn't have
a reload.
That gets, kills so much of his damage, I feel like.
Yeah.
It's that it's just not like for example like I can bring the strength cuz he's really the
only other true shield tank in the game like Emma like I'm gonna be honest that's not
really a shield tank but like so strange the fact that you could cancel his reload like
with 60 % is in I think that's insane right I think that's insane, but why can't Matt like
Maggie stuck in this like like like
I felt the same way.
Like, Strange's got all the cool little interactions, Matt gets none of them.
It's weird.
Yeah, like strange you're gonna cancel your fly fly fly fly to the back and you're gonna
pop a crazy all Yeah, like strange like you feel rewarded for being offensive I like I've
been saying this since the alpha mags value like inherently mag isn't valuable He's his
value comes from the fact that he denies value and the fact that he engaged that he gives
value like like he's able to for example Like let's say I kill a cloak I denied that value
so that's where my value came from Let's say I bubble my spider-man who's ulting, right?
That's where my value comes from, the fact that he's able to get a free all off.
So Mag in and of himself isn't valuable.
It's the fact that he's able to, I'm not wording it correctly, I'm you guys understand
what I'm trying to say.
Like his value comes from denying value and enhancing teammates value.
in some ways.
terms, if people are familiar, he's very blue character.
He just like sits there and says like, you're not going to be doing anything.
I'm going to absorb your pressure and I'm going to enable my team.
Counterspell.
Yeah.
language.
Let's fucking go.
Yeah, what?
are you?
Yeah, bro, that's what I used to travel to tournaments and shit and play in tournaments
back in the day.
familiar with Magic, I don't play the game, but I think that their color system is a
really good way to use, to transfer ideas across different games and concepts of how
you're trying to describe what a character is supposed to be doing in a hero shooter.
So Spider-Man's red, Magneto's blue, Blade is black, so on and so forth.
Yeah.
Hulk is green actually, a little bit.
He kinda is.
Yeah, that's funny.
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I got into magic a little bit last year, cause I visited my buddies who live across
the country and they were all like really into it at the time.
So I ended up buying a deck.
It's fun.
Like I really like it, but I just don't have time for it, you know?
Yeah, no, it's one of those things where it's got to be like your big big hoppy.
It's kind like wow.
It's like a Yeah, it's like a second job Yeah
magic, it's better to get into drugs, I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna lie.
At one point I had a commander deck that was worth like nine grand.
At one point back in the day, yeah.
I sold that shit like forever ago.
I had like all my money, everything that I owned was in my fucking deck that I just, I was
like...
of stocks and gold, I had Magic the Gathering cards, y'all.
deck.
Yeah, I mean that was what it was, you know, you just...
It's just some bullshit.
But anyways, um...
Yeah,
Hulk now, it's never a bad time.
We talked about Green.
Yeah, he's good.
really good.
I think he's gate kept.
I think he would actually be like S tier super super strong tank if Thing was not in the
game and if Sue and I think it's like Sue, Bucky, Thing, Gene.
Yeah, yeah.
Those four heroes gate keep him from being like they're
It's so problematic because he's so good in so many situations, but if those four heroes,
if one of them are in the lobby, it's harder and harder and harder.
And of all four, he's unplayable.
Even three is unplayable and he's just useless, which is just so sad because, like I've
said this before, Coach, when I was on the podcast last time, but I think Hulk is like,
Hulk and Doctor Strange in the tank role specifically are the best designed characters
where they have very obvious strengths and weaknesses and they should both always be good.
And especially in Hulk, I think he's the most skill expressive tank.
Like looking at a Hulk Primal Rage, I think I've seen Monster do on that character.
Cause Monster, like I always kill Monster, that's my boy.
Unbelievable.
Like it's crazy.
And I saw like a clip yesterday.
I was fucking scrolling, saw a bad GD player, and did this combo or something in the
practice range.
I can't even describe to you what he was doing.
But like just the potential of that character and how skill expressive it is, he should
always be good.
But no, let's pick Thing and punch people and sit on my backline AFK and press one button.
Like, he's so talented, bro.
I'm curious, how do you feel about the thing as far as how they should change him?
Do you think that they should just make him very niche and kind of weak or do you think
they should add a lot more depth to his kit and make him higher skill ceiling?
Because he is like, he's maybe the most brain dead character in the game and this comes
from someone that hit my peak on thing.
Like that character is brain dead as fuck.
Like he really, really is.
uh
him for the first time ever like two days ago in a scrim for spawn hold.
Shit's so easy, bro.
Like it's so easy.
ah I would like to see him similar to like Wanda or like SquirrelGore or Iron Man where
they should be not as strong as skill expressive characters.
If you're playing a harder character, you should be rewarded for getting better at the
harder character.
Like Spider-Man should always be good.
um Panther should always be good.
Torch should always be good.
Hulk should always be good.
Luna should always be good.
The list goes on.
But characters that are like brain dead, no skill, talentless, Mag should always be good.
I think he's very skill expressive too.
Like...
Not Rock...
Yeah, exactly.
Like, Rocket is too easy to play for how much value he gets.
There just has to be some limiter.
today on Rocket players.
Literally like complete...
I mean they were terrible today.
Like fucking brain dead.
Like I hate to say that.
I don't even know if they're people that actually play Rocket.
Maybe they're just people that are filling and like they're looking at their second
monitor or some shit.
I don't know what's going on.
That's even worse.
Like that's just even worse.
They won't switch either.
For me it's always the Lord Cloaks, bro.
I'm sorry Cloak players, but you guys are horrible.
Like the worst player, like Lord Cloak I immediately would have give up.
I think Cloak and Dagger has a really high skill ceiling.
It's just like you get a lot of value at like mid...
Yeah, she has low skill floor, high skill ceiling.
Like the amount of cloaks, I load up into a scrim and I see my cloak fade the venom chomp
every time.
I'm like, my God, I'm just in heaven.
Bless up.
Like everything is great.
We're fading venom ults.
We're fading gene, like the gene ults.
They're constantly calling like their bubble.
Like it's awesome.
And cloak is a great hero.
They're not dying in their ults ever.
They're communicating with my mag about the bubble.
You know, they're asking for shields, they're ending their ults in safe places, like all
these things that you have to do as cloak is very high skill, but the base floor is so low
where this is why support players are the worst players in the game, because it's so easy
to just sit there and heal people.
people are so used to that of like, leaning back in their chairs, sitting there and
healing people, they never actually have to get good at the game.
So when you play with cloak players that are actually good,
anticipate what's coming, think about their ults beforehand and communicate with their
team to help them to make sure they get a good ult off.
It's Xodia, bro.
It's awesome.
I think I can count on two fucking hands the amount of cloak and daggers that actually
even communicate at all like they almost never fucking say a single word which you get so
much value and I think there's been one cloak in my a thousand hours of playing that has
actually combined blind plus my Thorol to kill through a defensible and like that's so
strong to do and it's just never happened like it's never fucking happened
please just talk about your blinds, bro.
Like, that's perfect.
It combos with so many things.
Like, you could just say, I'm going to blind their Sue.
Like, when there's like a mirror, right?
Like, you cloak ult, they Sue ult.
Just say, I'm going to blind Sue.
She's right here.
3, 2, 1.
Ping, she's blinded.
Your whole team looks at her, she dies.
Like, that happens all the time in pro play.
Like, all the time.
The best cloak and dagger player that I know is a person who peaked top 500 is Magneto
mainly.
He's not even a healer player.
He just plays her with me.
That's good, that's it.
unironically comp though.
Oh, okay, anyway.
that's what I'm saying.
Like the best person that you know doesn't even play the role.
Because he had...
Yeah, because he had to get good on a different character in a different role that takes
skill, so when he goes over to support he transfers those skills over and there's no
mechanical demand to play Cloak and Dagger.
haven't seen other good cloaks.
I'm just saying he's by far the most aggressive and can.
I think it would be really cool to see some of these like there's I think there's a lot of
DPS players that if they took that level of like their ego to be better and like be better
than other people and they took that and applied that to the support role they would be
fucking incredible players they just they just won't do it because like like I feel like
you want that mentality for supports that they are gonna play like like supports just kind
of flutter in this area where they don't care about getting any better they're just kind
of going through the motions they're not trying to
Min-max, like I've never, I've very rarely met Min-max supports and the ones that I do are
always like top 500 plus.
Like those, like they're trying to Min-max every ability, Min-max timings, Min- you see
that a lot with DPS players and even tank players, but like I just don't see it a lot in
support players because maybe they just get too much value at the floor, I'm not sure, but
it's like complacency.
The biggest example of that for me personally is invisible woman alts.
They just are always way too defensive.
They only ever view it as a tool to be used to survive something and they never use it in
a way to like...
like push in and end the fight.
Because there's so many fights, for instance, when I'm on a holocore.
If I did just a little forward, I finished off their whole team because I can jump back
and continue pushing in.
But they only ever seem to use it for, I've just noticed that in particular is a lot of
the mindset is more just like we need to survive and never like, let's optimize like you
said and find times where we can get kills in this fight and really push in.
I feel like they get rewarded, like Light said, too much for kind of just playing
passively.
Yeah, I think like it's so sad too because the support role has the most potential in the
game and this is like I know like I'm a DPS main that's what I've known for but I
literally spent like like two three weeks ago I played mantis only from zero games played
like ever to Lord like only mantis and then right after that Deadpool came out and I
played like Half of it was DPS Deadpool and another half was support Deadpool to Lord.
So like I played a lot of support recently
and I completely understand it, it's like, support players, if you just think about what
can kill you and anticipate it before it happens, you will win so many more games.
Like, you have every tool in the shed to be able to deal with every situation.
Like as Mantis, I was constantly saying, guys, I'm going to sleep the Daredevil when he
ults, don't wake him up.
And I did it every single time.
All you have to do against Daredevil is to read his pattern when he deflects.
When he dashes on you,
Does he throw his toss and then do his cross attack and then try to full combo you?
Or does he instantly deflect?
It's one or the other.
Every Daredevil player is the same.
I'm the same way.
I play Daredevil, I'm the same way.
You just have to adapt and think about it.
And most of the time, for most people watching this, if you just instantly sleep the
Daredevil when he dashes in on you, you'll sleep him.
And it's like those types of plays, me thinking about that in advance, wins us the game.
Because I don't have to waste my ult on it.
And I can use my ult offensively, like Coach was saying, to where I don't have to waste my
ult on the DPS ult.
I can use it aggressively because I slept the daredevil and now he's sleeping and now we
run forward and we win the game.
For me personally, the way I grade whether or not a healer is good or like I'm able to
find out pretty quickly is do they waste cooldowns when I don't have pressure or do they
like use cooldowns when I do?
Like they're able to like assess the tempo and like kind of how the fight's going and kind
of like use them accordingly.
Cause a lot of times, like let me give you an example, I get poked out.
ah take a bad trade, we're clearly losing the fight, and then we'll go behind a wall, like
reset, and try to get back out there, and then I'll see a cloak and dagger just throw
their bubble down.
It's like, dude, we're fine.
Why don't you use that bubble when I go back in and throw it down where I'm fighting so we
can win the fight?
For them, there's a lot of questionable decision making, I feel like, a lot of time.
then they'll die later because they don't have that cooldown.
It's like, yeah, that's your fault.
And a lot of times, it's they don't to go.
Yeah, and then they'll sit there and cry and say we don't get peeled but then I'll look at
the replay and I'll just so much I look at my cloak just throw his bubble forward like the
spider-man just went out force his fade and they'll come out of fade and they'll throw
their bubble at their tank and the spider-man comes back and kills them and a little bitch
about not getting peeled like what do you think was about to happen bro?
bubble I'm not gonna lie I think I think like Enviz and Cloak specifically because they
could like Self-heal themselves like that I think Enviz and Cloak should be selfish with
that because at end of the day like if you die you're cooked like the whole team's cooked
so I'd rather my Cloak keep me around like half HP but alive then put me to full and then
a Spidey or a BP or Iron Fist comes and dives them and then they have nothing to
it's all contingent on the conflict.
The cloak player should be able to discern how they can use their bubble.
If you're playing as dive, bubble yourself.
If you're not, bubble your tanks.
It's that simple.
well, cuz at a certain point, I'm sorry, Coach Mills, I just wanna finish my thought, cuz
when you do that, your whole play style can now be more aggressive for your own.
When you save it for yourself, now you can position more aggressively.
I say this all the time, you wanna bait cooldowns almost to be used on you because you
know you can take it.
And that's a lot of what I feel like supports just completely miss out on.
But yeah, what were you saying, Coach Mills?
What I was saying because I kind of to give like a little PSA to like a lot of people that
are grinding supports regards to the rank you're in I get this people say this a lot they
say My team will complain at me if I don't fucking heal them right now or I don't burst
these cooldowns on them or whatever like adopting a more Selfish mindset on support can
actually really be a good thing and I don't mean selfish like you're not healing your team
You're just using them as a means to an end like you're making sure that you're good first
and foremost
and that the plays that you see you're enabling first and foremost, then like you're
making sure that you're never feeding because you're not like fucking trying so hard to
like, I don't know, make your teammates feel better or like give teammates resources right
now.
Like, yeah.
feel obligated to keep you up at the cost of their own life a lot of the time.
And you're just like, I was fine.
I was fine.
understanding the hierarchy of duties, right?
Like that is a duty, but like keeping yourself alive and doing a lot of the stuff that
Light's saying is like actually way more important.
And you end up throwing games as a result, just trying to like, I don't know, appease
people.
And no other role really thinks about it like that.
Like as a tank player, I'm not thinking like, I'm good, I need to peel my supports or else
they're gonna throw or DPS need to like, I need to do X, Y, and Z or else, you know, like
they...
We don't care about that shit.
We're just worried mostly about what we're trying to do.
you're saying, Coach Mills, is like my own little term I kind of invented for how I talk.
I call it triage.
It's a medical term.
It's like, do you?
I got the definition right here.
It's the preliminary assessment of patients or casualties in order to determine the
urgency of their need for treatment and the nature of the treatment needed.
But in layman's terms, it's just like, heal the person who needs it the most first is
really what it is.
I think that is something that is lost on a lot of players sometimes.
It's legit bro.
I've done so many coaching sessions on my stream and every time a support player like the
number one thing for them is to not kill yourself to help your team.
You need to be super selfish, play for yourself, make sure you never die, and then once
you're good then you can help other people.
Now that doesn't mean that you don't give your team the resources when they need it.
Like I think a lot of support players, you can get really really creative with how you can
actually enable your team in this game.
Like if you're a jeff player or a Loki player or an invis player and they don't have
daredevil for example,
If you have an ultimate, like a game winning ultimate or something, like if you have a
daredevil in your team for example, and you're playing Loki, go flank with your daredevil,
like go into their spawn as Loki, sit in invis, wait for your daredevil to hit their
backline, and then you come out of invis and you drop greens for your daredevil, and you
just kill their whole team.
Like that is stuff that you can do on support.
Exactly.
Like come out of stealth, drop three clones, you have lamps for your daredevil, you're
full healing him, you're hitting their backline, you break the lamps for him, you help him
kill through the bubble, like...
Those are like creative plays that support players aren't doing right now that I think
they will within like a year or two maybe.
But like if you look at Overwatch, look at the support players there compared to where
they started.
Like the margin for error, like a plat player now in Overwatch is like, or sorry, a plat
player now would be what a grandmaster player was six years ago.
the skill gap gets bigger, like it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, or higher and higher
the longer a game goes.
Same thing with League of Legends.
but what advice would you give then to support players?
I mean, I just open to anyone ah to where they could get better at stuff like that.
Because a lot of times we talk about how negative our support experiences are, but why
don't we offer some of our own constructive kind of like, okay, how do you get better as a
support to play more actively and around your team well?
Yeah, mean generally speaking it's hard to do specifics because it depends on the person
because everyone's gonna have their own strengths and weaknesses and it also depends on
the character that they're playing.
It depends on the team comp that they have and the team comp that they're playing against
as well.
But like a general advice that I could give is to anticipate what can kill you and
understand what can kill them.
So what ult does your team have?
If you have Starlord ult, heal your Starlord when he ults.
Make sure that you're in a position where you can heal your Starlord when he ults.
And if they have like a Daredevil ult,
or a Hawkeye ult, or a Hela ult, or a Gene ult, think to yourself, how am going to survive
this?
What do I need to do to make sure that I don't die to this?
And if you die, sometimes it's not your fault, like 100%.
Sometimes you just die in this game.
But you should always think to yourself, how could I not die?
And talk to your team about how they can help you.
If you're playing Cloak, for example, say, I'll fade the Gene ult, don't shoot, before it
comes out.
That simple.
That one play, that one call, can literally win you the game.
I was gonna say I was Lily better like but he already said it but I think a lot of support
players um First I mean well, I mean I do always support players, but like we come in this
court So like I don't really they don't have to talk but like a lot of support place
specifically that role specifically They don't like to calm right lately They don't so
like you know, have a good support player when they're like for example I remember this
was two seasons ago, but this one support player.
He was like, alright, I'm going rock I'm dropping armor everyone grab armor
Okay, let's do it and then he's like, alright, I'm gonna go Jeff I'm gonna speed boost us
out and go I'm like, okay and then he cloak and he faded us for I'm like, yo this guy's
guy's locked in this guy's locked in but I think a lot of Yeah, like yo like like we want
off spawn We want off spawn broke as this guy but I think with support players I think
they need to be more proactive with like like for example, right?
Just like for example, yo, I'm throwing I'm throwing cloak blind out in three two one for
example I'm a blind their mag in three two one burn mag just burn mag, right?
does that.
bubble.
I'm gonna blind him.
I'm blinding him, right?
Or freaking Invictus like, Invictus is like, all right guys, you see, see, you see Jean
like, like top left, I'ma pull her, three, two, one, boom.
Boom, and she teleports, and she flies away, boom.
Now Jean is like nervous because she has like no TP and her flight's on a half.
So now you're like, you're being very proactive with your abilities.
But a lot of support players, they just like, you know, okay, not all of them, by the way,
not all of them, I'm not judging all of you.
But now, not all of but a lot of them, like what you said, they literally sit back and
just like rocket right-click simulator, just.
I think yeah, no keep going.
well I was just saying like my advice to support players is take pride in outplaying
people like take pride in that shit and try to do it as much as possible and like I think
a lot of times what happens is like a Luna gets dove they try to freeze something they
miss the freeze and then they die and they're like where the fuck is my peel?
Where's my team?
Whatever like you need to take like like in a similar way that like a DPS player that like
tried to take a 1v1 and missed his shots and died you need to be like
I could have fucking outplayed the shit out of this guy and I could sleep him every single
time I can win this every single time like make the right play take pride in making the
right play and get an ego about me like being better than You're better than other
supports.
You're better than other DP like like you want to dive me come dive me like like take that
if you if you embrace that I think that you're only gonna get better like dramatically
better, but yeah Right exactly exactly but
here boy, like I will freeze you every time.
Yeah.
second like I feel like on a I hate to keep bringing up overwatch but I feel like on a
players in overwatch had that fucking mentality like like desperately had it like I I
really think that the second that you start Asking and begging for things and blaming
things and like going down that rabbit hole is the is the second that you like stop
pushing yourself Yeah, like uh
talking about that today, Coach Mills.
I'm saying I noticed the best support players are the ones who never asked me to swap.
They're just like, yeah, let's go.
Let's lock it.
But yeah, my suggestion was something similar.
It's more just like kind of limit testing.
You can really find out what you're capable of, too, on Healer.
Like going for aggressive plays and seeing if they work.
And if they don't, it's like, OK, where's the in-between with that?
And that's usually how I try to learn anything, really, is just like hard limit test.
You know, it's kind of funny too, like, the support role is so overloaded because support
players are so used to autopiloting that, like, a lot of the times you will literally have
the advantage in a 1v1 against so many different heroes because just, the role is just
babysat.
Like, in my opinion, I don't think any dive hero in the game should lose to any support
1v1 unless the support is sacrificing a lot of healing.
Like, Adam, for example, I would be okay if Adam had some good matchups against DPS or
winning matchups because he has to aim.
which makes it a skill matchup inherently.
doesn't have any freebies, he doesn't have a grenade, he doesn't have a stun, he doesn't
have any bullshit.
Adam has to aim.
And if you die to an Adam, he outplayed you.
But if you look at like Loki or Invis, if they stealth and surprise you and just drop all
their cooldowns on you, it's no skill.
They're shooting the ground, Zeus throwing her orb and pushing you and pulling you free
damage.
Like support players, you guys need to play with some balls and get in there and you will
win the game.
Get active.
Coach Mills and I won today with a celestial uh dive DPS Luna.
with, we all.
if this was like a guy on TikTok or whatever, he legit, he legit would flank, kill
somebody and then die.
He did it every fucking fight.
Like literally every fucking fight.
Yeah, like so we only had one other healer and that guy wasn't healing and a lot of times
when he'd loot on he'd just be doing it in their team by himself and I I watched the
replay I don't even think he like he was decent But like I still think he could have been
playing what he was doing a lot better And it was still kind of working and we won we
ended up winning the game We stopped like we actually stopped them.
So I mean that just kind of is like proof that you can
kind of carry in other ways, although I don't think that's the best way to play by any
means.
Hella player tomorrow just starts locking Luna and just killing people, I think that shit
will change real quick.
Like, badges will go through real quick.
Yeah.
Do we want to talk about triple healer at all?
I mean, it's still kind of.
yeah, no, we definitely should like I think This can't be a hot take
on this one, Percio?
With triplet?
Yeah, like I'm sure you got some pretty strong opinions on this right now.
it depends on triple support obviously like when gambits in the game, it's horrible.
It's already horrible.
Like it's already horrible.
But, um no, Gambit like it makes like they're not nerfing the core issue of what Gambit,
I'm not gonna forget a little off track here, but they're not nerfing the core issue of
Gambit.
Like it isn't the fact that you're getting healed in the ult.
It's the fact that, um I'm sorry.
It's the fact that his ult does everything.
It gives you damage boost, gives you freaking jump boost, gives you a speed boost, it
heals you, it freaking gives you 30...
Is it 30 %?
Is 30 % all charge?
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure it's like 30%, like Captain America's 30 % all so it literally
does everything, but then they said, you know what, let's just take away five healing from
it.
You didn't solve the core issue of Gambit, but with triple support specifically,
It's her.
It just gets hectic because I play MAG, right?
Like you already know this.
I play MAG.
I'm not, my ult is not being built.
I'm sorry.
Like because it's rough because let's say they're running Mantis, Loki, Luna, right?
Mantis, Loki, Luna.
So then they, they, Loki, they, they Loki the Mantis.
Boom.
That's a support ult.
Then they Mantis, then they Luna.
And then my team only has, let's say Mantis and not Mantis.
Let's say they have Cloak and Luna.
And then it's GG.
If I don't hit my ult on one of the supports, it's over.
So now
We're put in a position where um, I believe is the best old combo in the game Yeah, bro.
I leave the job.
Yo, I've been I've been pretty since G since gene dropped the best old combo in the game
is Magneto Phoenix There's no counter to it.
It's absolutely only fade I think only two counters to this body blocking it and and cloak
fading it So I have to so so I have to drop so we have to drop our support alts Then we
have to drop my old and Phoenix old
to counter one like this is is ridiculous and then now their DPS get like a free like a
freebie and then it just it it just makes the quality of games basically just like a
sustain slop you know like where nothing's dying and every fight is just an ultimate fight
where there is no neutral I think a game with no neutral is like horrible yeah
the support ults now is smaller because there's more of them.
Even- because they're- they still get ult-charged plenty quick, I feel like, even with
triple.
So, one of the things I wanted to ask y'all is, I don't even know how I feel about this,
but I'm curious what y'all feel about silence effects.
Like I know Emma has a silence, but it would be really interesting to have a future
character that has a, like something you could apply to, like let's say a support, and for
the next five seconds they can't ult.
Like some type of silence effect that gives you a window of time to perform like a team
play on them.
It's a slippery slope when people think of silence effects, they think of like Sombra and
fucking Kayo or whatever.
ah But it would be interesting to put some type of burden on like because I feel like
support olds can just be fired whenever they want to right but it would be cool to have a
character that has a way to interrupt that a little bit.
Rogue kind of in theory Rogue kind of has it but it never really plays out it never really
plays out that way because it's really hard to get the character that you want to get all
the time without them getting out sometimes they can still slip away
think uh I have a lot of experience with silence in like, I call them the Holy Trinity
Tank DPS healer type games just because of my WoW backgrounds and how strong silences are
in that game.
um From my experience, silences usually are easy to hit.
They're pretty much like you pick who you want to silence and you can just apply it.
then it's like M-Alt, for instance, really easy to aim.
And WoW, was literally just you point and click and boom, that person silenced for five
seconds.
And it's tricky in a game like Marvel Rivals because ah when you silence someone, that's
only half their kit.
Like primaries are incredibly important in this game.
Like incredibly important.
So unless you're silencing their healing output, I don't think a mechanic like that would
ever really be too overpowered, personally.
Because it still requires timing and coordination, which is like everything else does in
this game.
It's a-
It's just like a different form of a damage amp or something.
It would be strong, I think there should be something like that in the game.
I think that should be in the game, yeah.
It would, yeah, I think it would really depend on the kit that you had.
Like, I don't think you could ever put a silence on a dive character, bro.
Like, imagine if Daredevil had a silence.
Like, just imagine if Daredevil had a silence.
Like, you know.
I used to be very good at Paladins.
Like, I know Paladins, I used to be the rank one Eevee, fun fact, in Paladins.
And um so there was this character.
What's up?
The Pokemon.
I was just playing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, Torvald?
Torvald, yes!
I think for him that's good because it's kind of like a...
like a tank duel kind of thing where now you can get creative where, alright I'm a silence
magin, 3, 2, 1, Angela grab him.
Like he can't bubble himself, you know?
Like what you said with the dive though, it gets sticky.
Because then you have a whole somber situation where now it's basically just go in,
silence them, do damage and tick them to get out, then go back in, silence, tick a little,
get it out, you know what I mean?
It becomes like that repetitive...
Like that's bad hoops.
with shit like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean...
design because it required that you had this beam locked onto them for a certain amount of
time.
And there's so many different things that you can do as a player to know, imagine if Emma
beamed silenced you, right?
If you're playing Groot and Emma, there's so many different things that you could do.
You could break the beam for a second with one of your small walls so we have to rebuild
back up to the silence.
Yeah, but like the silence would take time.
Like you have to have the beam attached to them for like two or three seconds.
And then if it broke LOS at all, if the beam detached at all, the timer would reset.
So as playing against it, you just know like, okay, if I can't get silenced here, let me
drop a small wall so that resets.
And there's like a mind game there.
cool how it builds up.
It would also put like, if you were doing it to a support, would put them in like a
situation where they're like, do I just pop out now before I get silenced?
Or do I try to make a play to try to break it?
I think anything that forces cool options or like, uh just puts players in harder
decisions is cool.
think that like, of course it has slippery slope, but I'm gonna say this in like fucking,
in two months, there's gonna be a character that's completely broken with like an EMP or
some shit, but like who knows.
I think the key with those types of abilities though is they only do that one thing.
So then it becomes...
you're not silencing them, burning them, fucking slowing them, like, like, blinding them,
yeah, yeah, five fucking things.
Okay, I think the last thing that we really wanted to talk about is specifically Deadpool.
So they, like, I know you, you played all the Deadpools, you played them.
We, think most of us played a lot of the Tank Deadpool.
How do you feel about Deadpool?
How do you feel about the Hoppix that they did and just, you know, the character release
as a whole?
Yeah, so I think he's by far the most complicated hero that they've released, that goes
without saying.
um I think the support Deadpool was super overrated and his ult is not as strong as other
support ults because the radius is so small and what we've come to find over time is that
people are very easily able to kite it.
And yeah, you can have theoretically a 20 second support ult if the Deadpool is like very
very good and greets it perfectly, but it's like so much weaker because
You just the radius is so small bro comparing it to a mantis the mantis ult is giving your
entire team that over shield It's huge.
It makes everyone super fast.
There's like a lot you can do with it Even though the duration is shorter.
It's pretty easy to just run away from the Deadpool just like base when you hear it ah
Which is like the that's his whole strength is the old otherwise.
There's no reason to play him He's just worse than every other support all everything like
he's kind of self-sustainable.
He's like okay with dive I think but he's
I would say he's like low A tier maybe B.
He's like alright like you can pick him.
Nothing special.
He's not Gambit, not Invis, not Loki.
Yeah, Healpool.
Yeah, yeah.
Tankpool I think ah is really good.
I think Tankpool is like arguably top three tank in the game.
He's very very strong.
um His ult, yeah, yeah, no.
His aura is really...
Go ahead, go ahead Mills.
was like I'm not gonna lie watching Monster when he was playing playing fucking Tank Bull
like the shit he was doing on that character is just disgusting I'm not gonna lie he still
needs to whip out a guide I'm uh
Yeah, his the aura on tank pool is also the best it gives you insane attack speed 20 %
damage reduction.
It lets you survive like group gene combos um For your entire team like himself gets 40 %
teammates get 20 They also get the attack speed the sword ults allows you to have a 20
second cap ult That's like way easier to consistently greed where you just sit on four out
of five before you proc the jackpot ah
had a Deadpool throw his shield on someone I was killing, they just sat in, and I'm just
like, okay, can't- no claps, no stuns, pretty much just couldn't kill him.
He has so much, like, team-wide utility too, it's like-
Yeah, the bubble is really good.
It blocks healing and support ults too.
Yeah, it's literally a Winston bubble, yeah.
Deadpool's be throwing it on top like I'm in the front line They'll throw it on top of me
and then the whole team would just start burning me.
I'm like, no, no, no
You're starting to see some good ones now.
Like, it took some time.
Yeah, but it's still, I still feel like they're nowhere near, where they could be, Like,
it's...
then the gun ults when you upgrade the gun ults you instantly just get like 400 shields
and the person that you alt takes tick damage and anytime they miss something they get hit
with a ton of damage and then you get even more shields if they miss something too.
So it's like people what they'll do is I'll play Daredevil or something or like a dive
character and Monster will say I'm ulting the Sue or the Loki and then I just go and run
at them and they can't do anything.
If they miss me at all they'll instantly die.
And their supports can't heal each other because like I'm on daredevil I'm in between both
their supports this guy doesn't want to take a risk missing a shot or he'll instantly die
so just and there's like the tick damage on top of that too and It's just it's really
really strong
the the decay to after a certain point like it'll apply the purple or my or my crazy?
DPS pull okay, okay
I a little question.
the first tank that's...
what were saying?
I was just, well you can go ahead say what you were going to say, I'll ask in a sec.
I was just saying Tankpull is the first tank, probably first of many that can has like he
can shoot from infinite ranges, right?
Like, like, yeah, which is I think just extremely powerful just in its own right.
Just like for flexibility sake, like a tank that gets to just poke things out and like,
you know, not engage when they don't want to.
But then eventually just like hard engage, almost like like like a dive poke hybrid, which
is insane.
kind of related to what I was saying too, like, so he has that, that really, like, what,
600 health is it?
On him?
Deadpool tank?
Or 500, okay, so that's lower, but, um, how much do you think Deadpool tank being better
than the other Deadpools is a result of, like, the kit just being
better for, cause he has to be in melee range, I feel like to get the most value.
So with more health, it's obviously just going to naturally be easier.
Like how much do you think is that that versus like the utility for him is just stronger.
I mean, I bubble is a bubble is super strong and then just creating space on this kind of
character just is really, really strong.
Like being able to create space is just super good.
isn't that good I feel like it's like B.
I think it's B.
And I feel like part of the reason why is you can just like kind of just kill it.
jumps in you just kill him.
It's not that you just kind of shoot him and he just dies Yeah, it's just like that simple
and until they have he has more health.
It's not gonna
a lot of the natural mechanics of like slashing and resetting and jumping on someone, that
makes a lot more sense for a tank in the first place.
Like it almost feels like Deadpool was designed as a tank before he was designed as
anything else.
That might be a hot take, but it feels that way.
though, I kind of agree.
Yeah, his his issue with like the DPS one now that we haven't talked about it yet.
It's kind of similar what you guys were talking about is the DPS version of him I think is
the strongest dive hero in the game when he gets his upgrades, but he's the weakest
character in the game without like he is horrible base.
He's so bad and What they should do in my opinion to make him more consistent is to
increase his base HP to 275 at least maybe even 300 and Increase the speed at which he
gets his upgrades
Alternatively, you could increase the base values that he has like make his base kit
better and then nerf the upgrades but right now he's just so polarizing and he's just
Every single time I think about picking DPS pool.
I just think okay.
I want to pick a dive here here So let me just pick irritable.
It's just better.
It's just so much better.
It does everything better and I come out full strength I don't have to scale.
I don't have to like be worthless for super long
And yeah, once you get there, he's really, really, really good.
Like there's nothing better than a jackpotted DPS Deadpool with all upgrades and your
backline permanently dashing on everybody.
Yeah, yeah, like he's got the sauce.
It just takes time to scale up.
And I just think for that reason, because he's so inconsistent and I think he's very, very
hard to play too.
I can't put him higher than B, but he's honestly probably C.
Like he really needs some help, I think.
And the nerf, what they did to him is it used to be the case as well with DPS Deadpool
where
And this is all deadpools actually, they nerfed this, if you ulted and it was on a timer
and you died, you would get your ult back right when you respawned.
So there was a lot of fights where I would go in, get a kill or two, maybe three, die on
purpose.
So I would either die like knowing that I was gonna die to the person I'm fighting, or I
would literally jump off the map, come back, rinse and repeat, because you can instantly
get your ult from E to S, DPS to deadpool, it's very easy.
And just do that over and over and over again.
they designed it that way on purpose?
Because Deadpool?
they did.
Okay.
didn't like.
And then they nerfed the clutter on your screen from the aura of DPS Deadpool more so than
the other ones.
The reason it affects DPS Pulls so much is because he doesn't have healing, he doesn't get
damage resistance, it's...
Alright, sorry.
He doesn't get the attack speed, he doesn't get healing, he only gets damage resistance,
but the damage resistance that he gets is worse in the tank variation, both in base and in
the upgrade.
So when you nerf the clutter, he's inherently taking more damage because it's easier to
hit him and you only get the clutter when you upgrade it.
So they just made his base form even weaker than it already was and with the route that
you need to make DPS pool actually good, you're getting the aura upgrade probably like
fourth out of seven, which is like halfway through the round.
like, I don't know.
He was already weak.
It's just classic net ease change.
Like they're very capable of hot fixing stuff that's obviously broken, but they just, we
like Jean Grey.
I don't know.
probably give them a sizeable buff just because I mean, historically, it feels like they
like it when new characters are a bit on the broken side.
Like, I just feel like they've allowed newer characters to be meta for longer.
I was surprised they hotfished it in the first place.
Like, I was extremely surprised that they would do that because, I mean, they let Jean be
super strong, Emma be super strong for a long time, Ultron, like...
a little different.
They kind of go back and forth.
It's kind funny because if we think about all the releases, Blade was a stinker, Angela
was a stinker on release, Ultron was a stinker on release, but they just buffed Angela and
Ultron to be meta relevant.
They just hate Blade.
I don't know why they hate Blade.
um But Gene was broken, absolutely.
ah Close to my mistake.
Gambit, broken, obviously.
But Rogue was pretty tame.
think Rogue came out like probably the most balanced hero release ever, honestly.
Like she's not.
Yeah, yeah.
mean, she's very strong, but yeah, especially in a world without the Gambit, like the
Gambit team up.
She's probably like perfectly.
think the light tech was intended?
Yeah, bro, you're the one who got it nerfed, bro.
yeah.
uh
you use like you take a little bit of damage as a tank you sit on a corner and you jump on
their head as He'll pull and it constantly yeah
like five minutes into the fucking release or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
oh
thought it was gonna be broken But it turns out like you just walk away like your group
just walls and you all just walk away and then it's like chill But I will say last thing
for for Deadpool if you're playing Deadpool guys and you're an overtime and you have all
upgrades because the way it works on escorts is You reset after each round but in the
overtime round so if you attacking your second earth Defending your second time you keep
all of your upgrades from the previous round
So there's been a couple games where I've started fully upgraded Deadpool or damn near
fully upgraded, walked in, gotten my ult five seconds, and because I have upgrades, I kill
their whole team.
It's so good.
Yeah, insane overtime character.
strong.
um yeah, I mean, like all things, all of like the balance stuff aside, I think, I think
Deadpool was actually a really sick addition.
Like the fact that even one of them is like actually going to have medic implications.
And I think there's like room for the other ones.
And honestly, the entire kit, like the leveling system, I would love to see that applied
to a future character.
I would love, I would love like a super complex leveling system where like fundamentally
changes the character.
uh would be really really cool in the future for like a future kid like imagine a support
that you could like there's like a fucking tree and you can change you can decide how
their ultimate is like in a million different ways like I there's just a lot of potential
for that as like a design that I think is really cool and yeah
potentially being like that with the alt choices and then also remember before Deadpool
got released we were saying maybe Groot could have some sort of growth during the game so
I mean the fact that they can put it in on a character means that that could be like a you
know something they do again like we were talking about how Groot it you could level
through the game he'd become like the bigger version of Groot because since they have like
baby Groot and
Why, cause I think it'd be really cool as like a support where like they get like just a
normal default like base support, like let's just say it's kind of like Deadpool support,
like just base like that and then like you could add different effects to it.
Make it wider, give speed, do this, do that, maybe turn it offensive, like, like, like,
you know, like sometimes in like World, like literally World of Warcraft like trees or
like Diablo trees where it's like...
It's like, actually you don't, this ultimate is a different ultimate now if you level it
all the way up and it's something completely, you know, it's an offensive ultimate.
I don't know, I just think that that's like a cool, overall I think it's a pretty cool
design.
Like I think the character, especially considering, I mean they released basically three
fucking characters.
I mean, I just remember sitting in Overwatch for like a year and a half and we didn't get
a fucking character.
So like the fact they released three characters in a month is like, ah yeah, like.
CPS player in overwatch.
We just didn't get another hero for like four years.
It took us
on brig duty in scrims.
I grinded through that shit.
I think you and I, cause I was a Genji, Genji, Farah, Hanzo guy.
Like that's what I was back in, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
like we got echo and then who was the next flex GPS venture?
Yeah, I guess yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, I mean they just gave us Freya in Overwatch, I mean
I don't even play the game anymore But I know that they like they just didn't give any
love to fucking projectile DPS mains ever in that game Like there's so many more options
here than there were ever in fucking in that game at all.
Mean they had like one true melee It would don't even like yeah, I could could rant about
how much I despise Blizzard for fucking an entire pod episode.
I'm not gonna lie um
Did we want to talk about the tournament drama at all?
anyone want to give their opinions on that?
what?
the J, yeah, because there was a hacker in the J tournament.
Allegedly, allegedly.
I don't actually know the details.
Allegedly.
Yeah, that does.
match like the the Kingsman one yeah yeah I mean
we didn't have a podcast for the entire like the entire arc of drama.
So we're like mad behind on it.
But I mean.
Yeah.
have to talk about it.
from what it seems like everybody kind of agrees, like, let's try when money is on the
line, right?
I don't think that's controversial to say.
I thought it was for the vibes though.
I'm It's a joke.
I'm joking.
I'm so sorry guys.
It was a joke.
Please don't make a video on me.
this is always gonna be a problem when there's tournaments that like content creator
tournaments where people just don't have the same level of taking things seriously.
I think like the majority of us, like us four, if we were ever in a tournament, we're
gonna try our absolute hardest.
And it doesn't really necessarily even have to do with whether or not we want the money or
not.
It's just about like, it's a competition.
We're gonna take it fucking seriously.
we take it seriously because it's a competition.
mean, just like we take our ranked game seriously, like we're not just fucking trolling
and just like play.
We don't play ranked for the vibes.
We don't play a tournament for the vibes.
like, how much of that though is like, okay, maybe someone thinking, wanting to play Widow
is them taking it seriously, right?
Maybe, maybe like, okay, you put hundreds of hours on a character and that's your best
character.
You don't want to swap to another character that you think would lower your team's chance
to win.
you know, I feel like there's an argument for both sides here is kind of like, I feel like
personally,
I don't really take a side.
think both sides could have been communicated a bit better, and they'll learn from it, I'm
sure.
I feel like at the end of the day, if everybody on your team is telling you they want a
Widow, that's your team, dude.
That's your team.
I mean, if I'm in a tournament with Captain Coach, I don't care if fucking Hulk's F tier,
dude.
You're on fucking Hulk, bro.
You're locking that bitch.
Like, you know, I don't care.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, Yeah.
games where we needed a mag on our team.
I'm like, guys, I can play mag.
I mean, I was pretty tired.
So I tried.
It just was, I was like, guys, just put me on Hulk.
I need the muscle memory.
I just need to be on autopilot so I can do everything.
Right?
Like was just, it was just, it was better for us.
We ended up getting third.
You played in the previous Basim tournament with with I and that was the tournament that
you and I both spectated when zaza like fucking popped off in that tournament that Yeah,
yeah.
Yeah, we we we watched it.
It's it's more I mean, i'm not gonna get too into it It's just really just about the lack
of respect.
I think in general i'd like it not necessarily from from You know, I just think in general
if someone really wants something
Like if I was ever on a team with anyone and someone really wanted to win, you just, just
be respectful and give it your best, you know?
I think, and anyone that wants to demean that and like not want to give them, give you
their best, whatever that looks like, or at least have a respectful conversation with you,
um yeah, it kind of deserves to be mocked a little bit.
That's it.
I'm not talking about, I'm just talking about some of the people in the call.
No, that's it.
it's a...
I'm not singling anyone out, but I'm just saying, I just think respect.
It's not that hard to just fucking respect people.
Just give people a little bit of respect.
That's it.
remember remember in the last time I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry, but I remember the last tournament I was I was in captain coach's team.
Thank you for drafting me by the way, which your second pick Yeah, so I was on his team
and I forgot what I think we were on a game of um Hell's heaven right and and you know,
that's Spidey's domain That's just Spidey's domain.
So he got pulled off twice.
He said I'm off a Hulk.
You know what?
I mean, he thought I'm good I'm off a Hulk, but if he insisted on playing Hulk, I'm not
gonna sit at that point.
He's mine's made up I'm not gonna sit here
Can you get a hook?
That's just me though.
I wouldn't do that.
I would've been okay.
What can I do?
What like I look at it from like from like an optimistic perspective where okay, I asked
him he doesn't want to.
All right.
What's the next best thing we can do?
Right.
What can I do as like a mag as a Emma to help him reach his value?
You know what I like?
I mean, we got blown out by him by the way.
It doesn't really matter.
But but he switched the thing.
But like what's the what's the next best thing that you can do as a player to like help
your team?
Because let's say somebody
is a magic one trick and they're insisting on playing magic they just want to play magic
they want to play silo that's it but let's say they're playing phoenix hella and they're
just getting ding ding ding ding what can I do to like enable them to get as much value as
possible so I just look at it from like like a glass half full type of thing where okay
you don't want to switch that's fine what can us as a team as a conglomerate do to help
you succeed but that's just I know some people don't have that mentality some people have
it to where you don't want to switch you're selling
That's what teams are.
Like uh it's a collaboration.
You gotta like talk to people and figure out like what's gonna work and just like forcing
one thing just, you know.
I think that's really what rubbed me, I think most people wrong about the situation rubbed
me wrong about the situation.
I think it was, if it was just Kingsman and Zaza, they would have just had a conversation
about it and they would have just talked about it.
Like you never, like I hate it when people want to shut down.
I think everyone has always had like, like have you ever debated someone like in public or
just like talk to a friend about something and y'all like having a conversation back and
forth and then there's some random person that comes in and like.
you believe that?
my God, I can't believe you.
And then they just start, they start backseating like a random, like you can't even have a
conversation because they're just saying some bullshit.
Like that drives me crazy.
I just think that that's just like, and no, no, no fucking team is ever going to function
like that.
Like no team ever functions like that.
Oh, what were we saying?
Yeah, go ahead.
I'm not super privy to this situation.
have a general idea of what happened.
I could be wrong in my assessment here.
But from my understanding Kingsman did make an effort to play triple support for Zaza.
I did see the clips.
I do remember this very vividly because I thought this was pretty uh immature.
There was a clip of her and CC making fun of him for wanting to win to pay his college
tuition.
that was Lucy Asa and CC.
Yeah, not Zaza, but yeah.
obviously like very immature and I agree with with with coach about our captain coach
about like you should make an effort to Enable your one tricks or like whoever like is
yeah, whatever hero they're specializing in or whatever it is But I think it's a little
bit more complicated than that Whenever you start to play at the highest level and you
start to play in team environments people are going to coordinate to shut you down and it
gets to a point to where when you have a hero that it's just
objectively weaker because of the numbers or because of the meta whatever it is an
Adjustment will have to be made for you to win like there are instances at which off meta
heroes can work will work and have worked in the past But there just has to be a point
where The person in question is the one trick has to be able to be willing to swap off For
whatever reason and she did end up swapping off which I thought was like kind of Like I
would have felt even more bitter as Kingsman if I would have looked at that tournament and
saw that Zaza went Jean Grey
Like right after that whole incident.
Like she ended up swapping anyways, so like why was there all this drama beforehand?
to swap.
That's like it really just it's like I don't know if the term like it's white knighting
doesn't really apply, but that's kind of it kind of feels like that where you're like
people people came to her defense.
Like, don't I don't exactly know how to describe it, but it's like.
a bit of a disconnect between the team's expectations and their goals.
uh
like imagine if I'm playing a game with you on lights like hey cap captain coach I think I
need you to swap Paul complete thing.
Yeah, I'll be like no He's good.
He's good at Hulk.
Let him play.
What the fuck man like like like like you can talk for yourself I don't need to like a man
like me and purges yelling at light like let him play his home.
He's so good like shut the yeah, yeah
Yeah.
do remember the first thing I said to everybody when we created and formed the team for
our first tournament?
I was the captain, for anyone who didn't know.
The first thing I said to everybody, like as a group when we started.
What was it?
Do you remember?
That you're willing to just play support?
Or I don't know...
I'm like, I'm lying!
I'm lying right now!
THE CAPTAIN!
No, we had gallows for that.
No, it was...
I said like, how hard do we want to try?
What are our expectations?
I said, I said, do we want to practice?
Or like, how serious- and everybody was like, we want to win.
I'm like, alright.
I'll set it up then.
We're doing scrims, we're gonna do this.
no, captain, that's like a, that's such a great point too, because when the drama first
came out, I remember someone in my chat asked me what I would have done, and I said the
same exact thing, is I think Kingsman could have handled it better.
I said he could have asked his team, what is the X-Bait, like what do you guys wanna do?
Are we playing for fun, or are we playing to win?
And if they say we're playing to win, alright, it's time to lock in, let's pick good
heroes, let's talk about our draft, let's practice, let's do all this stuff and take it
seriously.
But they're like, no, we're just playing for vibes, like whatever.
Alright, that's chill, I'll just slouch in my chair and play Spider-Man, like it's fine.
And what was the prize money for that tournament, Percio?
Like, it was a lot less.
Yeah, no, yeah, the total pool like like the total was like 2,700 something it was nowhere
near
think it's very important to engage with your team to see where everyone's expectations
are and what they want to do out of the team.
But I think it's tacitly uh considered to be taken more seriously because of $40,000 is a
lot of money.
So that's probably why Kingsman went in already assuming that everyone had the same
mentality that he did.
It's low-key for all you gotta go
at all about winning 40, 40 K or even competing for it, I just don't even really think you
should play in that tournament.
I'm not going to lie like playing a different tournament, but you know.
I guarantee you there are some people who probably did not care that much about the prize
money.
They cared more about like they're doing good and having a good time sort of thing.
think there was a bit of a gap, I think, between the highest and the lowest players, I
would say.
I think.
It would also be cool if like, I mean, play it like, I feel like if you draft, like you
drafting, cause they drafted Kingsman, right?
Like he's obviously going to be a player that cares.
Like, like, come on.
Like, you know, you know that he's going to fucking care.
Like if you, if you're thinking in your mind that you're just going to vibe it out, don't
fucking draft to someone like Kingsman.
Like don't draft a light if you're just going to fuck around.
Like don't, like don't draft, like draft someone that is down to fuck around with you.
Cause there are people, there are people in the tournament that were probably down to do
that.
Like a lot more than.
But anyways, um but yeah, mean, yeah, yeah, of course.
I can see on both sides how it's frustrating right like can you imagine like like what you
said like like like like like you want even if it like no money you just want to win like
like you have that drive that hunger to win and then your team is just like Like like you
know, know just just like yo, yo be quiet like I like I'm not gonna lie watch like I felt
I felt it but on the other side I can also see it cuz can you imagine that you're playing?
I don't even know what game is not gonna play.
Let's say playing balloons TD
Right.
You're balloons with your boys and calm and he's just, yo, what are you doing?
He's like, whoa, what's going on?
I I thought we was just chilling.
But like Light said once like I'm not going to lie once one dollar is on the line.
I'm fighting for my life for that one dollar.
That's just me, though.
That's just me.
Yo, it could.
You're broke?
to put in effort.
So like if I was on a team and I just want to chill, if one fucking person wants me to
give effort, we got you bro.
got it.
okay over there,
No, no, I'm just saying bro.
Like yo, it could be for a penny.
You don't understand.
I'm ready to rumble.
I'm always ready to rumble.
Bro, you need me on Luna?
You need me on Luna?
I'm ready to rumble.
all three of you message Seb.
If you haven't message Seb, Katakos already told you to do this.
Did you message Seb?
Light did.
Message Seb.
Seb, C-E-B, he's he's he's hosting.
It's the next 40K tournament.
Be there.
I can connect, y'all.
Let me send you his shit because, yeah, I mean, I think I think I'm a cat be done for it.
I haven't I don't have actually confirmation.
have been popping off lately, bro.
I got no motion bro, I got no motion.
No, I'm not, he can't see my DM, he ignored me.
What?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
wait, wait,
Perceo should be in every major tournament, bro.
He needs to be in every major tournament.
I wish, bro, I told you, I'm there, I'm ready to rumble.
Dudes don't understand, I you saw me last, I was ready.
I was ready, bro.
I'm ready, bro.
not everybody's got that.
This is the passion that support players need.
Yeah, Perkz, take one for the fucking team and swap to support main, okay?
Take one for the fucking team.
Bro, yeah, no, every mag man I've met, I'm being psychotic, but every mag man I've met in
comp, they're always like, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.
I'm like, yo, like for me, because like, I have an ego, but like I have enough ego to
where I realize where like, I'm not gonna be like, oh, I'm a better mag than you, you can
have mag, I'm not gonna fight you for it.
So when they hit like an ult, right?
They'll be like, got him.
I'll be like, bro, good stuff, mag!
Like I'm here screaming, I'm here fading, I'm doing everything I can to gas up my team,
but then they're like, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, I'm like, okay, bro.
first mag, I don't know if it's like on like, yeah, well on my screen you're above me.
Wherever he is bro.
The first mag I've ever met who bubbled me during my Hulk ult.
During.
I've never seen that.
I'm just like, what a concept.
know?
my my brain with my I'm telling you I genuinely believe
yeah, yeah CC immune now, let's fucking go
I genuinely believe that this is ego.
There's no mag better than me.
I genuinely believe this.
There's nobody who plays the character at such the intricate level as me.
I'm thinking beyond, for example, let's say in Invis, ults, I'll say instead of us
matching Invis, cloak.
So when she jumps, the damage, the tick of the cloak damage, so when she jumps, I still
see her and I just dunk on her.
I'm moving at a different frequency than these other mag mains, bro.
I'm moving different, bro.
Sorry, I had to glaze.
really funny to me because there are certain characters I feel like will bring forth
certain personality types But then there's some people that pick up the characters for
completely different reasons Like I don't feel like I don't feel like there's a lot of
magma is that are that you're fucking hype level But I think you picked up mag for one
reason or another yeah
guess that you're a venom player for sure.
And I'd guess Snake Case would be a mag player.
You ever heard Snake call?
You ever heard Snake call him?
He's like, I'm slamming in three, two, one.
Like, like.
he'll be like, I'm contesting, I'm, I'm, I'm infinite swinging, I'm infinite swinging, I'm
infinite swinging, I'm like, did you just, what the, I'm like, I'm swinging, help, I'm
screaming, bro, because I need help, bro.
Nah, dude.
hilarious.
I'm not gonna lie.
oh
yeah, what you said about people like attracting certain personality types wouldn't make
sense at all for me.
I don't never get angry, guys.
Never, never.
shit.
this dude, I remember in the beginning of the year, he had his stream title.
I don't remember the exact thing, but it was basically like, trying to like better my
anger, something like that.
And then...
single fucking normal Spider-Man man.
I mean, you know what I'm saying?
uh
bro, they are not like, I know three persons, like personally, like I talked to them on
Discord.
They're not normal, they're not normal, bro.
They're not normal, bro.
of us some of us are there just like Abomination creatures, but some some of us are normal
Like it's it's a mix like half the spider-man community.
No, doesn't you know
No, no, he needs a nerf.
No, no, no, and this is not rage bait by the way, like I actually have my points but.
you know how hard I'm not gonna let this in you know how hard we worked to get where we
are today we had year like a year and a half of just constant being kicked and spit on and
Trashed on on the ground in the fetal position by Luna snow by Magneto by Jean Grey and we
fuck Yes, and we finally we finally got our tracer buffs
and our uppercut damage buffs so now we finally have the damage and the uptime to be an
actual character.
For the first time ever...
just think with Spider-Man specifically, I think it's like a coding issue, like a coding
issue of the game.
for them, of course, you remember this vividly, I bet you remember this vividly, when
Roadhog would hook you and you would break LOS, he would just like, and like drag you all
the way to him.
You know what I'm talking about, Roadhog 1.0.
no, I'm not I'm not gonna lie.
I fucking I I haven't even really talked about this but I fucking hate Spider-Man pool and
I think that I think that I think that in two years when I think in two years when your
average plat Spider-Man could do that shit they're gonna nerf it until then it's basically
just a skill issue but like Because I remember the same shit happened to me on Roadhog
like eventually they were just like nah You can't have this like you can't have this but
like it's cool now because like only the good spider-man's can do it consistently
my mind how poorly that ability is utilized by most Spider-Mans.
And the good ones, when I play against good ones who actually hook tanks into their team,
it's a nightmare.
go behind your team, then like swing cancel in and pull you into there.
It's disrespectful, Disrespectful, bro.
Davey about a week ago and he literally typed in chat that he was- playing- I swapped a
thing off of Hulk and I asked him why he was still using his hooks on me and he said it
was just to increase my blood pressure.
He was just chain stunning me on thing as Spider-Man just cause he could.
He was just trying to make me have a stroke, bro.
I was already down bad, man.
a nerf, an emergency nerf too.
Like right now, like right now, he needs to get nerfed.
He needs to get nerfed, bro.
Like why?
Bro, I have a short.
I posted a short about this.
Bro.
No, you're not, you're no way, but hear me out with this, though.
Hear me out.
like him, too.
Like, cra- Yes, yes.
Crazy freaking characters, bro.
High skill ceiling.
High skill ceiling.
want you, every single person that has a problem with Spider-Man, I want you to play the
character at your rank for 10 games.
And once you do that, you will realize how hard it is to actually pilot the character.
Because I don't think people realize playing against a good Spider-Man feels extremely
suffocating, I understand that, like completely.
But actually doing what it takes to be able to do that on Spider-Man is so fucking hard.
and inconsistent bro like I promise you if your spacing isn't perfect if you're playing
against the wrong comp if you don't do your cancels correctly if you mess up a timing with
an auto swing or you don't count your swings perfectly or you don't hit like like there's
so many things that could go wrong and when everything goes right it feels impressive but
I promise you bro like he's in the perfect spot right now
But it gets hot to a point though because think about this think about this like my only
issue is primary issue is the fact that let's say he hooks me right he grabs me but then
it breaks LoS of me like like like little string it should I think it's a auto break it
should I don't think cuz like like I have this one short where I'm on the Midtown with the
vampire map and I'm standing on the bridge but like with that with that little piece of
Bro, he grabs me his thing goes through the tree through the plank rips me under the
bridge and just drags me to the edge of the map
Think once LOS is broken.
It should auto break like like Bucky as well Bucky that should auto break I don't think
there's because think about it like it's like logic like Roadhog did the same thing if he
were to hook you and you broke LOS He'll drag you from like he'll teleport you to him.
What the freak is this?
So I think with that aspect that needs to be nerfed.
You can keep everything about him, but just nerf that
that's why you need to get the fucking rocket jump pack before you walk out of spawn.
Every single time.
Every single fucking time.
Grab that shit and it just cancels the entire interaction.
Easy.
say, Percio, I would, as much as I would hate that, because it feels horrible, like when
you grab someone a Spider-Man, and you finally hit that cross-map pull, and they have like
a jump pack or whatever, it doesn't work, it's like, my god, like whatever, okay.
I think it would feel better to play against if it was based on line of sight.
Like could 100 % get down with that nerf.
Like I could...
broken.
That's it.
That's it.
that happened to Spider-Man and Mad got his right-click nerfs, we're in a better world.
What do we all wonder what the old to it mag?
Yo, chill it.
Nah, nah, bro.
Magneto, Magneto needs a buff, bro.
I've been saying it.
I'm gonna keep saying it too.
sticky, don't do it.
They're all covered.
uh
uh
why let's be honest bro Do you remember that that time period when like they buffed cap
for like he was like meta for like two weeks like this dude was like dominated for like
two weeks I think like season like two or I don't even remember horrible games when Groot
was the meta pick back in like season Like I think it was one one one point five.
He was getting banned every single game.
You guys remember that Yeah, bro.
He was unbearable when Emma was the meta tank unbearable What's one tank that nobody has a
problem with like like I have a true problem with?
door okay oh
is better.
I've been saying this forever, bro.
No, no, he's not broken.
What are we talking,
Should not be getting one shot by a tank like that.
have it, Percio?
What, the short?
What?
about.
Okay, I will say, Percio, I hit a grab on a mag, I think it was like two or three days
ago, it was on Spider Island's first point defense, and the cart had already rounded the
corner, they were about a cap, and I go set up by like where the mega is, and I do like my
combo to get my movement speed, and I grab him, and I pull him over the house, off of the
cliff, where he couldn't like float back.
No, no, no Jesus
boot up real quick.
yeah, I was just saying There on spider islands first point the cart was about a cap The
Magneto was on attack.
I was on defensive spider-man I go set up on that high ground where the jump pad leads to
I do my combo get my movement speed grab him.
I pull him from the To like off the map, but I pull him over the house like completely
over the house and that Probably should not be in the game
Yeah, no, and i'm also the opinion.
Well, i'm telling you I don't like spider-man.
I don't like them bro.
So what is it?
Is it 20 meters max range?
Right?
It's 20 meters is his what's up?
What's up?
He's serious right now.
I'm being serious Okay, let's say it's 20 meters just for argument's sake right I feel
like once spider-man's so like once he grabs you and he's moving on Mach 20 Once the
distance from him to the person he grabbed exceeds 20 meters should break automatically.
I think
That'd be horrible.
Hell no.
think one one and can you imagine Bucky hypothetically had a movement ability?
He was hooking and dashing all the way like all the way back.
You'll be like, oh no Bucky Bucky.
No No, no, no, no, it's not nah, bro No
to do, bro.
It's so hard to do.
I promise you it's fine.
If you maintain line of sight the entire time, you deserve it.
was probably one of the worst characters into that.
There's so many characters that don't give a single fuck about being pulled off the map.
Like...
though, me and coach do.
Yeah, just bubble or shield yourself.
Yeah, just bubble yourself bro, just bubble yourself.
You good bro.
Uh-huh.
We're bubble buddies man.
gets, we're bubble buddies man.
It gets serious out here.
Dude, there's a cast time on that shit.
I hear the like, the little whip and I'm like, I gotta press my bubble out.
That's what I
every ability, bro.
I can't with that.
Especially, it's on an eight second cooldown.
Make it 12.
Make it 12, bro.
Make it 12, bro.
Make it 12, bro.
Make it 12.
Good, good, good.
Skill check, skill check.
no, no, no.
Just walk- Just swap the fucking thing or some shit.
Swap the fucking door.
when he does the thing you go you're brawling you're brawling.
He'll just he'll just grab you and then you're For like four seconds, I is bad, bro No,
you do though.
You do when you do trust me if you play thing, you know, you do
Well, yeah.
No, it's bad.
You're dead if you...
Yes, you are.
Because you have to be punching his thing to get your shield.
You die very fast now.
die very...
Like, if Spider-Man hooks you and everybody focuses you on his thing, if you're anywhere
in a bad spot, you're dead.
Like, anywhere close to their...
It's really bad, actually.
It's really bad.
it till it's backwards.
Till it's backwards.
No, I think yeah, I Mean spider-man is fine, but I think he's in a fine spot like I don't
think he's busted or anything like that It's impossible for to be busted in a fucking
hella meta like hella hella literally can just shoot him like just just fucking swap to
hell and shoot him Just just literally shoot him
Yeah.
There's like...
Bro, there's like ten Spider-Men in the entire world that can play him at a level to where
he just like gets so obnoxiously cancer to play against that he's just like...
Where these strong feelings come from.
Yeah, and unrestricted spider-man on my opinion.
I think for example venom I think at the highest highest highest highest like I'm talking
about like like if you were to peek out every single tank I think venom has like the
highest skill potential and I think spider-man is right there with him like spider-man
like I don't think we only think we scraped the surface of what spiders can really do like
once spider-man start doing like like like consistently the tech of pulling you into the
team and just killing you like he's gonna be a problem like I'm predicting it now bro, but
what's today's date?
I don't even know what today's date is but
Mark my words, Spider-Man will be nerfed, he's gonna be OP, and y'all are gonna cry, and I
said it first, I said it here first, bro.
Okay.
you act like they're not gonna make like the the anti spider-man dive character like
between now and then they're gonna make like a million fucking supports
mean they already have like Namor, Bucky, Hella, Gene like...
yeah, yeah, yeah this No, okay, bro This other fuck is he's already baiting.
He's already waiting now
watch are gonna have to get like that helmet that the juggernaut got.
So Percy has like mind control when he's saying these things doesn't like take effect.
bro's like saying, like needs to get the juggernaut helmet or else like Spider-Man is just
gonna keep getting nerfed.
say buff black panther though.
That's all I will say I will say that I will say that I will say I will say buff black
panther
this is what Black Panther needs, He needs to have lower cooldowns, lower base damage, so
you cannot just like dash, like spirit dash, spirit dash and one shot somebody, like
that's not interactive.
What should happen is his passive should be the more consecutive dashes that he hits, the
more damage that he deals.
And then eventually he builds up to another ability where he can do like an explosion like
he does in the movies.
When he moves enough, it takes him enough damage.
He gets like an AOE blast that does damage.
if you...
Exactly, yeah.
So like if you build up this passive by taking damage and by doing dashes, and the more
you're dashing, the more damage you're doing, because it ramps up.
Like let's say base damage right now is 50.
I don't know what it is off the top of my head.
But let's say the base damage gets nerfed to 30.
And it goes to 35, then 45, and then 50 after the fourth dash or something like that.
And then you have about five seconds before it decays off.
And then this way, you're not getting one shot.
but the panther is rewarded for chaining his dashes together between multiple targets
marked by his spears.
And his niche would be, you play him on close quarters maps, in a dive context, when they
don't have things that can slow you down or stop you.
And he would be good.
Like if Thing is out of the game, and you're playing against like Loki, and you're playing
against like Hell's Heaven, Black Panther should be really good.
Yeah, I actually like that.
I actually do like that.
I wonder how you feel about this, because I thought we should have a rework for Blade.
Because one of the things I have a problem with is that the build up, you never get to a
situation where you can build up to max swing speed and it actually do fucking anything.
So I like the idea of you build up a bar that gives you an ability that you use for like a
burst set of value.
of like you're just progressively raising the value of your character, you're fighting the
neutral.
to build up a bar that uses an ability.
Like imagine if it's like a mini dash, like that's the ability.
Like a mini dash, like kind of like your ultimate that you can combine with like your
other shit.
like, cause he needs a way to burst people in the neutral.
Like, like actually go for a fucking play instead of just like stand here and just like
slowly.
Like any character that is slow sucks, I think.
Any character that just does value very slowly just always sucks.
There's not a single one I can think about.
Maybe besides Punisher, but even him, like his shotgun is instant.
Like.
You just need a, you don't need a way to burst it.
more of like a...
I think it would be really cool if he was the first like, Drain-esque character in the
game.
ah He's like really the only true example.
Like we were talking about earlier of him being a black character in the sense of like, in
Magic for those who don't know, black refers to like power at a cost where you're like
sacrificing some of your own cards.
You're sacrificing like minions or your own like weak cards to empower another card.
ah And so Blade really is the only example in Rivals that it's like that where
he is trading off his own healing to get lifesteal.
But that trade off is never worth it in this game.
So if they made it to where that lifesteal was insane, but he slowly drained health while
it was active or something, that would be cool.
Or if his abilities cost some health, or if his ult was an innate lifesteal or something,
or if he had to build up, I don't know.
Something that was more vampiric, more bloody.
more like, lifesteal based, my abilities cost health, like that whole thematic I think
they could really, really cook with.
Like, I really like, yeah, like Vladimir from League of Legends, Victor in Deadlock, Geist
in Deadlock, like, there's so many inspirations that you can go off of here to make this
character, like, unique and cool, but I just don't know why they're so scared of making
his anti-heal worth anything, or his lifesteal worth anything, like it's, I don't know.
holding his sword up like that is just...
kinda...
kinda lame to me, personally.
I- I think if you're gonna have...
Yeah, like a life steal mechanic, let that be as defensive.
so sad that like his perfect parry, you never really get to live out the hero like vision
of what that could be.
Like the idea of like you're fighting, you're fighting, you fucking perfect parry
something, then you you skill checked an ability and like, you just can never really, he
just never really plays out.
I know I talk about reworks quite a bit, but I do actually think that he's a character
that could use a rework, like from the ground up.
I agree.
him.
um
to see the first character in this game be a character that has power at a cost.
I think that should be the central theme.
Is what are you sacrificing as the blade to get in return?
And, you know, no, no, I'm sorry.
was Vol'jin from Heroes of the Storm, if you guys have ever played that game.
He was basically a character that the lower his health got, the faster he would attack, I
believe, and the more lifesteal he would get.
So he was like, you get more value the lower.
So you play kind of dangerously.
This character like that in League of Legends called Olaf did the same thing.
I was really one of my favorites.
Blade had that right now, except he also had a passive that was kind like a wolf passive,
90 second cooldown, maybe a minute cooldown, to where you could sit at 1 HP for like 5
seconds as long as you're hitting something.
And his damage is already like really, really like, it's sustained damage, it's not burst
damage, so it's not like he's just gonna sit there and one shot you and be immortal in
that mode.
But like whenever he's in there, it just encourages him and allows him to like be sticky,
get in there, don't be afraid to die.
and it gives him a way to actually get his value.
You know that reminds me of in Paladins there's a character called Koga and he had two
variants of him He had like like Tracer like like that and then he had like claws right
where he'll become melee What once you activated the claws though his health would drain
like it'll start draining But the life steal was insane like if he was in the in the fight
like but the but the thing is about him though But like once you ants eat him like he was
you know I mean and I think that's like a good trade-off where for example He gets less
healing from his team, but his life steal is like insane
Like it's insane and then like his gun is kind of like his neutral like his neutral of
like let me just like poke poke poke and like you're out of position Let me just like
violate you real quick.
So I think if they just like that would blade That'll be huge because blade right now.
He feels so like clunky.
I don't play him, but I play against him
made his fucking primary a normal ass gun.
Like I don't really like the spread thing.
I don't like it either.
wanted to like Blade, I really did, but it's not for me.
He just feels clunky.
board, NetEase, back to the drawing board.
Let's get them tuned up.
um But yeah, no, think that's pretty much everything.
Is there any closing ideas, concepts, anything y'all want to talk about before we wrap up?
Nah, I'm good.
I can say one last thing.
Is it gonna end right now, like after this?
All right, man, let me get nice and close for this, bro.
Let me get nice and close for this.
Ha
When Mag is meta, the game is better.
Thank you.
I rest my case.
guy loves him some mag, man.
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