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In this episode, Todd Callender joins me to break down how massive fraud tied to Somali-run programs has become a tipping point for American taxpayers. As evidence of systemic abuse piles up and accountability remains nonexistent, more people are questioning whether paying taxes has crossed from civic duty into moral complicity. We explore why trust in government is collapsing, how humiliation and fraud are fueling calls for a tax revolt, and what happens when Americans decide they are done funding a system that no longer serves them.
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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. A recent timeline of events happened which honestly has the power to drastically change the course of this country. These events are to be simplified. A YouTube citizen journalist named Nick Shirley exposed massive levels of fraud in the Somali daycares in Minnesota.
Speaker 1:Now his video of exposing this fraud has gotten over a 100,000,000 views, very significant. And what he has done, though, is that he has helped a lot of Americans realize that a large amount of taxpayer money is actually being stolen, not just by the corrupt politicians, but by people, foreign individuals, and also Americans, but a lot of foreigners coming in this country finding loopholes in the system, exploiting those loopholes, and literally stealing tens of millions, hundreds of millions, and billions of dollars from the American people in our taxpayer our tax money. Now what's happened though is as people started to to calculate and see the scale of this fraud, people started asking a very sober question. If such a large chunk of our taxpayer money is actually being mishandled and misused, and it's getting funneled into fraudulent activities that are also then getting funneled back into politicians pockets, why am I paying my taxes? Why am I contributing to this fraudulent system?
Speaker 1:Because in America, we have this idea that if you work hard and you participate in the social contract of being honest, having a good business, working hard, and getting ahead, that you can succeed. It's the American dream. But what happens when that dream no longer works? What happens when the people that are actually achieving the American dream of independence, you know, being able to retire at whatever age they want to and have generational wealth, what happens when that's being achieved through stealing and cheating and actually through stealing the taxpayer money. And a lot of America's been asking this question, so what we've seen happen over the course of the last week or two is you're seeing a viral movement of people saying, I'm done paying federal taxes.
Speaker 1:Now this show is not gonna be legal advice. It's not tax advice. Do your own research. I'm not advising you to, you know, take a particular stance. I'm just presenting the information to you in a way that helps you make sense of it, you can make whatever decisions are good for you, not necessarily for a corrupt federal government.
Speaker 1:So this is really, really significant because it's not just some little grassroots things and some alt, you know, alternative right accounts saying, hey, we're not gonna do this. Literally, Marjorie Taylor Greene, even Elon Musk are bringing attention to this issue, which is a very, very significant issue. Because if you look at the methods that have been used to enslave the American people and to keep us under such stress and tension so that we'll accept whatever the politicians give us because we're just so tired. A lot of that system, a lot of those chains are tied into the taxation of the people, which hasn't always been like that in this country. In 1913, that changed pretty drastically, which we'll be talking about in today's show.
Speaker 1:And so joining me is my good friend, Todd Callender. He's an attorney. Very, very smart guy. He actually does a lot of international business, understands insurance and tax exceptionally well. He's an attorney.
Speaker 1:And he I forget which specific, area he studied, but he's a smart guy, and so we're gonna be talking about the implications of what's happening. How does this shape the future of America? What happens if a good chunk of Americans just say, I'm opting out of the system? Now we also know that, you know, president Trump has talked about ending federal income tax. I mean, he's talked openly.
Speaker 1:I'll play one of clips in today's show about this. So this is a pretty big shift in where things are going, and there's actually a lot of excitement in this because it's a movement that I feel of people that are reclaiming sovereignty, and they're saying, look, I'm done. I'm done feeding this beast of a system. I'm done. And actually, if you look at what's often caused massive corrupt systems to fail, it's when the people collectively say, we're gonna stop supporting that system.
Speaker 1:So pretty significant stuff going on, which I think you're gonna really enjoy. Honestly, it's like I just finished the interview with Todd, and it's one of the the best conversations I've had in some time. It's really, really inspiring, actually. Now, before we jump in, one thing I do wanna hit on is if you're looking at how we've been enslaved, it has been through this fiat currency. It has been through the inflation of our currency, the taxation of our currency, and this is why I'm a big believer in doing what you can to keep your assets outside of that currency.
Speaker 1:Not to mention that there's a lot of indicators that the currency is approaching this hyperinflation stage where our dollar is worth less and less and less. And that's reflected. If you look at the price of precious metals, that's an indicator that the dollar is rapidly losing its value because the systems that they have used to suppress the prices of silver and gold are breaking. And we and, you know, so if you've been following what's happening with silver as an example, over the past couple of days, it was well over $80 an ounce. You know, this time last year, I think it was around 25 or $30 an ounce.
Speaker 1:Now I've been, you know, recommending for a long time now, hey. If you have a little money, put it into some precious metals. Put it into some precious metals, not because it's as an investment and they're calling a huge return. It's about securing yourself and having a safety net that's outside this dollar fiat system because we know that fiat currencies never live forever. They always collapse.
Speaker 1:They always die. There's a life cycle to a fiat currency. And there's a lot of people, myself included, think that the American dollar as a fiat currency is reaching the end of that cycle. And so that's why I look at this metal here, silver gold as well, but silver right now, for a lot of reasons, I recommend more than gold, as one of the the most important safety nets that you can have, not to mention the investment opportunity, which, again, do your own research as a isn't investment advice, but even a key Bank of America analyst came out, I think, in the past couple of days saying that he thinks that silver could go up to $39,390 an ounce by the end of the year. And a lot of experts I'm following are saying it could easily surpass a $102,100 dollars an ounce in 2026.
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Speaker 1:I think you're gonna like it, and if you like it, make sure you share, make sure you hit that thumbs up. If you're watching on Rumble, thank you for supporting our free speech platform, and just enjoy the show. I guarantee by the end of it, you're gonna have a smile on your face. If you're not, let me know in the comments, and I'll I'll weep as I read your sad comments. So mister Todd Callender, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 1:I always enjoy our discussion. This is the first discussion that we're having this year, and we've got some exciting things to talk about. So thank you for being here. As as I said, I'm I'm just just overjoyed when we get to sit down together and just talk about what's happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Me too. Fireside chat without the fire. Glad to be here, so thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And judging by your background, I think that, you know, a fireside chat would quickly get a little uncomfortable. So maybe, you know, an oceanside chat for you might be a little better. Well,
Speaker 2:I was thinking more bonfire. But, yeah, we can still do that.
Speaker 1:There we go. So the main thing that I wanna talk about today is tax and what's happening with the tax revolt, the Somali kind of issues blown up, in Minnesota, which is now being exposed in Ohio and the things happening in California, and just the bigger picture. But I wanna start with I've got one little chart here. I wanna pull this up. Just to just to frame this discussion, this is, off of, Twitter, kind of Arthur McWaters.
Speaker 1:He says, let me get this straight. In 1913, zero American families paid income tax. In 2025, every family paid income tax. Well, I guess the ones that filed and and whatnot. And about two thirds of it just covered fraud.
Speaker 1:He says, We have become a tax farm for politicians to enrich themselves and anyone who they can import to vote from them. So here, this right here is showing the percent of households filing an income tax return. And this is it's kind of wild because there are a lot of things that we do in our life that we're just we think that's just how it is. Right? We're just, Oh, that's always always it's always been.
Speaker 1:But you go back in time and, no, that's not how it's always been. And if you think about the amount of our money that gets taxed, it's not just you pay your income tax. I mean, think about it, right? You've got So, say I go and I make, you know, a $100, right? That that initially get that gets taxed, income, state, obviously, property taxes, you know, school taxes, all those taxes.
Speaker 1:I then go buy something with what's left of that. I go buy something, and I'm gonna pay tax on the sale of that thing, on the purchase, I might have it. If I'm going to, say I want to resell it, they're gonna tax me on reselling it, and say I have some money left, and then say, I want to then gift that, or say I pass away, and that becomes part of my estate. There's an estate tax. So it's taxed as it passes to my children.
Speaker 1:And I don't know the exact number, but it seems like if you add up all of those taxes, at the end of the day, maybe we get 20%, which is actually ours. Obviously, you know, it's they say, oh, income tax is only x amount. But once you run it through the entire system of taxes, they are stealing so much money from us. What are your thoughts on that, Todd?
Speaker 2:Well, you know it's bad when there's such a thing as a surtax, which is a tax on a tax. And at this very moment, at this very moment in time, Canada's top tier taxation is 97% on income. 97%. So thirty plus years ago, I was a young lawyer working in Poland undoing the Soviet model economy. The Russians had left, and they left behind a 94% tax rate, which is so which is to say that Canada is more communist, more Soviet than the freaking Soviets were, but we're not far off.
Speaker 2:And there is a giant NGO called the OECD, the Organization for Economic Cooperative Development, which is a global tax net whereby most people don't know that your bankers amongst others have been reporting everything financial about you into this giant OECD tax matrix where everything your own is reported and now tracked such that it's not just a function of filing your returns. If you don't file your returns, they'll file them for you or certainly tax you as though you had filed them. So it's it's out of control. It's no longer us paying money for government goods and services. It's actually slaves, paying homage to the monarchs that control us.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Well and and we haven't even talked about inflation because there's a I think it was actually, let me see. I'll let me see. I think there was a if I remember correctly, there was a quote from, is it Lennon? I think it was.
Speaker 1:Let me see. Let me see if I can find it really quickly here. That he had said yeah, actually, he said the Just upon a quick search here, the way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. Also noting how governments use inflation to, quote, secretly and unobservedly confiscate the prosperity of And their so, I mean, if you look at it, I think this is one of the key ways that we've been enslaved, and that's a lot of what we're trying to do here, is through these conversations and these discussions and research, is to figure out how is it they've actually put us in these chains, and how can we undo those chains, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, with the aiding and abetting of people in government, people in positions that make decisions, to the detriment of us vis a vis 1913 with the income tax act.
Speaker 1:Exactly. But what's interesting, and this is what I'm really excited to to hear your thoughts on, is that the Somali fraud issue, which I think most people that aren't just completely, under rock have seen, has blown up, and people are realizing that there is an insane amount of money in our country, that our tax money is actually going just to And pay I think I have another chart here. Let's see.
Speaker 2:As though Doge wasn't bad enough. USAID, the waste is mind boggling.
Speaker 1:Exactly. So here, Okay, so here, let me see. I got a few different bits of information. And someone here said, Okay. So, this Peter Onge said, If you cut $1,500,000,000,000 in fraud, you could exempt all income taxed up to $200,000 And so there's a chart here that's saying, looking at the cumulative income tax revenue by income bracket.
Speaker 1:And again, again, same guy Arthur McWatters says, This is shocking. The US collects $2,400,000,000,000 in income tax, but spends $1,500,000,000,000 on fraud. Now, I don't know exactly where the 1,500,000,000,000.0 number has come from. So I'm
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Assuming that, you know, this is a viral post that got millions of views that people were vetting this. But, again, do your own research. But again, he's saying, If we didn't have to pay for the fraud, only 900,000,000,000 would be needed need to be collected. This means anyone with less than 500,000 in income could pay literally $0 in income tax. Here's the key point, we don't need to raise taxes, we need to cut fraud.
Speaker 1:So this is I mean, this is a pretty harsh blow to people that are already experiencing the struggle of living in America in 2026, and how difficult it is financially for a lot of American families to then realize that a lot of the money that is being pulled out of their paycheck every month is actually just going towards fraud. And that fraud is going in the pockets of governments and NGOs and
Speaker 2:Well, Seth, government is a fraud. Okay. So what what are your tax dollars doing for you? People don't even understand the simplest part of this. Money is deducted from your paycheck, and you think, well, at least I'm getting some services, fire, school, whatever, some governments, maybe even in health care out of your taxes.
Speaker 2:They don't understand your taxes don't go to any of those. Your taxes only go to pay the interest on a loan that our government took out from the bankers. So all of the money is going to the IMF, World Bank, Bank International Settlements to pay interest on the debt. That's it. Your taxes aren't going to pay for any of the services.
Speaker 2:It's a debt model economy. So if you were to simply cut out the bankers who are not only collecting all this money, the interest on it, but they're also the ones creating inflation. They're the ones printing money out of thin air, which is what gives rise to inflation, but particularly when it's not tied to anything of value, gold or land or even oil, that's all gone now. It's just a bunch of printing presses and them fooling us into thinking we're getting consideration for the taxes paid, that there's a quid pro quo. There is none.
Speaker 2:There's none. I challenge your viewers to sit here and think and say, what am I getting? What am I actually getting out of the government in return for my tax revenues? And they can't answer that question because it doesn't exist. What we're getting is fraud.
Speaker 2:We're getting fraud out of this. And so if you look at it, it's really a criminal enterprise because you have a silent partner that takes the vast majority of the money that you earn. They don't do anything to help you earn it. And if you don't pay it at the point of a gun, they're gonna take it, or they're going to take your stuff, or they will take your liberty. In what way is that a representative government government?
Speaker 1:Exactly. Well, one thing that, you know, came to mind, you mentioned that, what are we getting for? So my wife is from Australia. Australia, I think most people know Australia is a, you know, closer to what you'd be you consider a socialist country. Right?
Speaker 1:Very heavy taxation But how it's but it's interesting because when she came here and when her family has visited, we've talked about, you know, the taxation, they're blown away by some of the things that we're paying taxes on, the amount of taxes we're paying. But over there, what my wife has told me, she says, Look, yeah, the taxes are pretty high. Mean, it feels like it's about equal to America. But over in Australia, the streets are well maintained. The cities are Everything's very beautiful looking.
Speaker 1:You don't have this Like, you go to most major cities here, they're falling apart. The roads are falling apart. But also, there, you get health care. So you're covered as part of what your taxes pay for are you get, in essence, free health care. And we also know that now health care the cost of health care is skyrocketing in America.
Speaker 1:And we know that that, you know, they're the health care industry is making a killing off of people. And so it's like, yeah. It's like we have the really heavy taxation, but there's there's, like, nothing to show for it, actually, except for a bunch of Somali daycares.
Speaker 2:So I guess you could get daycare to answer my question. You could go get daycare. Exactly. From Somali immigrants who don't speak English. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 1:Exactly. So I wanna pull up because you're kind of in talking about, okay, what is taxation, right? So, there's an article on this website, TFTC. It says, Taxation is a humiliation ritual. And I think this is really important.
Speaker 1:Says, You're mad as hell. Are you gonna do anything about it? So Marty's bent. So this is a post from Marty Bent, who is actually the author of this, who's based out of Texas. It says, Taxation is a humiliation ritual.
Speaker 1:Work hard to get paid in a currency that is continually debased. Pay exorbitant taxes on those wages and watch them get handed to foreigners who were ushered in the country for votes that are used to tax you more. And I'll I'll read a few paragraphs of this. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. He says, this has been an objectively illuminating, enraging, and humiliating week for the American taxpayer.
Speaker 1:A 23 year old YouTube journalist by the name of Nick Shirley dropped an investigative report on the child day care and medical transportation fraud taking, taking place in Minneapolis, Minnesota by the insurgent Somali community, which has been greatly supported by Democratic leadership in the state and at the federal level. I'm sure most of you have seen the story already and understand the details. If not, you need to get from out from under the rock once in a while. He's using the same kind of thinking there. So he says, instead of focusing on the details of the story, let's explore the fact that taxation in The United States is nothing more than a humiliation ritual.
Speaker 1:We are told that paying taxes is our civic duty to make sure that we can have roads, pay for health care, veteran services, the military, and a litany of other feel good services. In reality, it seems our tax dollars are being funneled to immigrants and the politicians who brought them in for votes via low effort fraud schemes that are grotesquely offensive to the sensibilities of every hardworking American who has grown up to believe they're holding up their end of the social contract that comes with living in this country. I won't pretend like I've ever fully believed in the legitimacy or the validity of this social contract. If you've been reading this law this rag for long enough, you understand that I loathe the federal government. However, I didn't believe it was this bad.
Speaker 1:Grotesquely offensive. I think that's the only way to describe what has been laid bare over the last week. What's worse is that for some reason or another, Nick's video was a straw that broke the camel's back. This exact fraud has been reported on multiple times since at least 2018. I really like how he frames it.
Speaker 1:It's a humiliation ritual.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It is. It absolutely is. And it's not small money. That's, I guess, the part of the humiliation part is how is it that we didn't know this?
Speaker 2:I think one of these people was collecting a 100, a $100,000,000 or something in that neighborhood for their day care centers or four of them or so. That's huge money in in what way is a 100,000,000 justify day care? It's it's absurd, and that is humiliating. The fact that we didn't do anything about it since 2018 is by itself humiliating. It's really tragic.
Speaker 1:It it is. But I think also that, you know, when he says you're mad as hell, are you gonna do anything about it? Think that, like, that's what's what's happening now is I think that for some reason, the Somali thing, it's like it it like burst the seal that was keeping the pressure in. And so now what we're seeing is actually a very viral kind of idea of a tax revolt, which I really want to dig into with you. I've got two more short videos I want to show.
Speaker 1:One is, this is a video that, Elon Musk shared. So, think about this. You know, thinking about the reach of Elon Musk. So this video got, you know, 12,000,000 views. Let's just listen to this really quick because this it's it's a minute thirty seven.
Speaker 1:This is some American girl on TikTok, but I've heard I have one more video after this to show that the American people are hitting a breaking point. So let's just give her a listen.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I wanna talk about how the average American is starting to feel as major corruption is being exposed, especially now with the case in Minnesota and the daycare fraud. This is not just about money being stolen anymore. It's about a growing feeling that being a good citizen, being a hardworking person, paying your taxes may not be worth it. People are starting to feel stupid.
Speaker 3:They think, well, I'm here. I'm playing by the rules. I am working hard. I'm providing for my family. I'm doing the hard work, and I'm the idiot.
Speaker 3:You see the memes online and we laugh, you know, like, oh, me on my way to work thinking that I should have just opened a daycare center in Minnesota and made millions. And again, it is funny, but it's also deeply sad. Because the next thing is, why am I even doing this? And that's the part that no one wants to talk about because this kind of feeling shapes culture. I come from Brazil as you know, and in Brazil we have this thing we call the Brazilian way, which is the idea that there's always a shortcut.
Speaker 3:There's always a loophole, a way to take advantage of a situation. And people think it comes out of nowhere. Oh, it's just the Brazilian way of living. No. This comes from years of Brazilian people being robbed and nothing being done with the thieves.
Speaker 3:So we now think that survival means cheating the system before it cheats you. Eventually, people stop believing that being honest is rewarded. When a society teaches its citizens that being honest makes you a loser, well, that's really dangerous. You don't just lose money. You lose trust.
Speaker 3:You lose dignity. You lose the culture that holds it all together. And once that's gone, it's really hard to get back.
Speaker 2:Boy, is she right. That's absolutely brilliant. Boy, she nailed it. How does how does the government regain trust? And it's not just our government.
Speaker 2:It it's all governments. You look at Europe is falling apart. I'm playing if I was just writing to a French lawyer about tax in France, and those people are ready for a revolution. The last one was mighty bloody. I think they beheaded people for seven years.
Speaker 2:That's where this goes. When people lose faith and trust in governance, they will find a way to the exclusion of those holding power. How about Ceausescu, right, in Romania, clung to power, took everything from people, was speaking in the morning, and by that afternoon, he was being executed with his wife. It happens like that. That's the danger, and she's got it exactly right.
Speaker 1:I also think that she made an important point about how this changes the culture. Because you and I were talking before we started recording about what is America and what America stands for. And America was you know, has always been perceived as being the land of opportunity. If you come and you work hard, and you're an honest person, that you can actually you can rise above whatever social caste or wherever you are on the ladder, and that you can climb with that ladder through a shared and understood and respected set of principles of just hard work, ingenuity, etcetera. But what happens to a culture when that doesn't exist anymore?
Speaker 1:When people no longer believe that being honest and working hard is the way to succeed, but where they also believe that actually doing that means that you're a fool. How does that how does that shape a country?
Speaker 2:Well, it shapes the destruction of it, and and you got it precisely right. Believe. Governance only works when you actually believe in it as a system, and when you don't, right, that's when you have effectively piracy. So when we see our elected selected officials, you know, that were were taken out of a a bartending job. They become a representative of the federal level and go from $0 to 30,000,000 in four years.
Speaker 2:It's obvious that they are helping themselves, right? To the exclusion of you. So it really it becomes so obvious to us all that our government is an illusion of choice. We're voting for the paradigm of one party or the other to the exclusion of any other choice. Both sides are always controlled.
Speaker 2:Both sides yield the same result. So it must necessarily end in the same way, which is that the entirety of the government structure, the apparatus, was is discounted. And and that's where we are. That that's where people are at this point. Like, it's hardly any different than Bud Light having the transvestite as a spokesperson.
Speaker 2:People didn't want it, so they used their dollars and said, we're not buying Bud Light. It nearly bankrupted the company. The exact same scenario exists here, and I've been watching it for many years with the state nationals. People said, I don't wanna be a citizen of The United States anymore. I am and was a citizen of the state where I live, and it's got a constitution.
Speaker 2:It is a sovereign, and I don't mind paying state taxes because at least I'm getting something for it. But they actually resigned their US citizenship in favor of their state citizenship, and I know people that have gotten passports. They stopped paying federal income tax, and it's it's not a few people that I know that have done this. It's a lot. At the time when I was really looking into the legal justification for it was 25,000,000 Americans that opted out of the federal taxation system.
Speaker 2:Imagine if that becomes contagious as a result of this Somali fraud.
Speaker 1:That's a it's a really good point. And I know this is something that I've explored a lot, just to kind of limit my discussion on it publicly, but I know that.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:I've had Anna Venersteel on talking about this
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And how there's people that have just said, I'm I'm done. I'm opting out. That there there are actually there are loopholes in the legality of it that you can
Speaker 2:There is.
Speaker 1:You know, exploit or you can benefit from, where you basically just say that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pay into this system. And I think that, you know, say five or ten years ago, you might look at it and say, look, you know, going back to the original constitution, everything, it's like from the very get go, it was unconstitutional to bring in this income tax. But then when you look at how these taxes are being used now, it's all you know, I'm seeing a lot of people actually. I'm seeing a lot of discussion as we're you know, we'll kind of discuss more of this kind of national tax strike. I'm seeing a lot of people that are saying, I can no longer be complicit in this criminal behavior, because that's a different perspective.
Speaker 1:It's one thing to say
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:Look, it's unconstitutional to take this much of my money, and and it's not, you know, I'm a I'm a sovereign individual, my rights come from God. I don't agree with this. That's one angle that a lot of people take. But then the other angle that I'm seeing is people literally saying, The money that they're taking from me is being used to commit illegal activities, right, to commit crime, fraud, any number of things. And so it's a it's a moral dilemma to say, Is that is it the is it the righteous thing for me to do to refuse to give money to this, an enterprise that is using it for criminal purposes?
Speaker 1:It's a very valid point.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It is a valid point. And and that goes to the whole point of of what is the legitimacy of government in any event? What? When you have governors for sake of argument, I've seen the evidence involved with cartels partaking in trafficking of people or narcotics or other such things, illegal things.
Speaker 2:And you could use Maduro as an example, That was state sanctioned drug running amongst other things. Then what is the validity of the government itself? In what way is that valid? Simply because somebody is official, because they were appointed, because they wear a sash across their chest? Does that make it official?
Speaker 2:And when you go down this road, which you come to understand is what I was saying a minute ago, that that governance generally is an illusion. It it's really up to us. And while it is true that we need people to make national decisions and state decisions and protect our society, it all begins with a simple act of marking out a territory, putting your stakes down and saying, we are going to jointly defend and jointly exploit this. And when it goes beyond that is when you see the the sovereignty start to disappear. When government goes into business, it's over.
Speaker 2:And what do we see now? Thanks to Obama, by the way. Public private partnerships is the definition of fascism. Prior to him, business was business. Government didn't invest in business.
Speaker 2:It might award contracts, but it wasn't an equity participant. Now we see the people in the CDC, the FDA, that own patents on drugs that are being forced on people, and they are economically rewarded for forcing the drugs on people. That is the definition of fascism, and that's where we are now. So every time I hear this stupid phrase, public private partnership, I wanna puke because that's the very system of governance I helped undo when the Soviets left Poland more than thirty years ago. If So you wanna look see what that looks like, look at the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2:Everything falling down, infrastructure crap, people drinking all day, take themselves out of the misery. In fact, in the military in Russia, they were given a liter of vodka every day per person just to keep them pacified. That's where we're headed.
Speaker 1:Man, it's it's what it's it's an important discussion to have because as you and I have often discussed, this all comes down to our own free will. And it comes down to whether we are complicit, whether we will continue to participate, whether it's whether you wear a mask, whether it's you follow Foundress's medical advice, or whether it's you participating in the tax system. These are still as much as they want just like the mandates. Right? You know, under Biden, they had these mandates.
Speaker 1:Oh, you must keep keep your job. If you wanna keep your job, you got to get the latest booster. Right?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:No one as far as I know, no one was ever forced into that. No one was ever held down under duress and had this this thing shoved into their arm. Right? It was still well, maybe the the military, right, perhaps, it was happening. But in terms of, like, the
Speaker 2:The yeah.
Speaker 1:The general public, right, it was still our our own choice.
Speaker 2:That was the plan.
Speaker 1:Right? Oh,
Speaker 2:you're right. Their plan. Use of force was authorized
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:In the military, and we saw their plan. And the plan was to use militaries to force people to take the shots. But you're right. I'm only aware of two instances. One was a prisoner, and one was a service member where they were actually held down and forced to take the shots.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. I I okay. But, you know, in general, though, it's it's what this goes back to is it's up to We The People. As much as we feel like there's this big system, it's really up to the collective
Speaker 2:need us.
Speaker 1:People. Exactly.
Speaker 2:They need us. They there is no productivity. If we don't participate, the whole thing falls apart. So the ramifications of of simply not paying your taxes, when it when it becomes a large number of people, that's really bad. But what it represents is more dangerous, and that is we're done with this, this facade.
Speaker 2:We see it for what it is, and we don't respect it. We're no longer afraid of it because there's nothing to lose. You've taken everything I've got. I'll put my productivity over here doing something different because I'm not paying you to defraud me. That's the natural conclusion that comes next.
Speaker 1:It is. And that's what's happening. So you mentioned what happened if more and more people catch on to the, you know, kind of state national Yeah. Movement. Right?
Speaker 1:But what we're also seeing is this very, very viral tax revolt. It's how you have a tax revolt. And so I I wanna share some stuff on this. So there's one video, this guy, Andy Frisella. This clip went very viral, and I saw a lot of these discussions happening over the port over the course of the past week or so.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna play this. It's about a minute and a half, Just to hear this because this is again, these are important words. I I think he might swear a few times. I I might go back go back in and afterwards and kinda edit them out to make it still PG, but let let's let's give him a listen.
Speaker 4:Things could be so different, but we have a group of entitled rulers, quote unquote, that believe that they rule over us and they take half of our entire lives. And then when you die, they take 60% of what you accumulated and have already paid taxes on. We are not free. There is no difference between what we do here and what they do in North Korea, where they tell them, oh, you're free. We're the greatest.
Speaker 4:We're the best. But they can't see what the fuck is going on anywhere. Okay. Most Americans have never been out of the country. No.
Speaker 4:And if they have, it's to fucking Mexico or Canada. Don't count. Okay. They've never been off this continent. Exactly, bro.
Speaker 4:They have. This is this is all bullshit. This is all bullshit. There's a reason that the wealthiest people in the world are moving to Dubai and places in the Far East. There is a reason for it.
Speaker 4:Taxation was never meant to be a permanent thing anyway. No. And it just went more and more and more and more. Do 20 year old kids in 1776 literally killed motherfuckers over 3% tax. On T.
Speaker 4:Yeah. And what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. Tax me harder, daddy.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Oh, well, I don't know. I don't wanna disrupt. I don't wanna rock the boat. Motherfucker, if you don't rock the boat, there ain't gonna be no boat.
Speaker 4:Yeah. But if I don't pay taxes, Andy, how will the Somalians start their daycares and take care of all those Somali kids? Every American should highly consider organizing and not paying fucking tax, period.
Speaker 1:So Wow. Yeah. I will have to clip that up a little bit, you know, make it PG.
Speaker 2:But little sporty.
Speaker 1:But this is what's interesting is I I started seeing this going around. People talking on on Twitter about this idea of a tax revolt that I saw. Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's talking about it. Mean, she's she's a big account. Elon Musk sharing videos about this.
Speaker 1:Then you can see it even as there's a Fox News host talking about how people are gonna just stop paying taxes. And so Yeah. You you could see this momentum building, you know, similar to it's like the the the, you know, the tea act. Right? You know, we're tossing tea into the river.
Speaker 1:Right? It's, sorry, into the ocean. So but I wanna pull something else up.
Speaker 2:But I I I wanna
Speaker 1:I'll let I'll let you, I wanna I wanna hear your response then before I before I jump may keep moving on.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I've I've seen this before. In my in my life, in my work, I've seen the the death of nations, and and it happens, but there's there's a really important thing to bear in mind here, and that is and he he alludes to it. If you're paying property tax, you don't own your property because if you don't pay the tax, somebody else is gonna take it. So, again, it goes back to this illusion of ownership.
Speaker 2:And and, again, back when I was Poland, I I used to skydive, and I I found this drop zone in Poland that was run by a bunch of former Spetsnaz soldiers from Russia. Former because the Russians had just left, and we were riding up in the airplane, and they were singing this song about being free. It was a Russian, military song. Freedom from the motherland guarantees our freedom, free this, free that. And and it was such a joke that one of the guys said, we gotta stop doing this.
Speaker 2:We're not gonna sing this song anymore because the lie perpetuated throughout, you know, generations in Russia. They fooled these people into thinking they're free when in in no such way they were. So what have these guys quit? Yep. Russia had to compete for citizens as you see Vladimir Putin trying to get people to come back.
Speaker 2:Right? How do you do that? You have to compete for your tax base. That's why they're importing people, creating a new tax base. Because if you ignore your people, they will leave.
Speaker 2:And that's exactly what happened with these Russians I used to jump with. They left. And that's the what happens is a nation dies. The same thing in Venezuela when I was working there twenty years ago. The the country nationalized the oil companies, and what happened is the intellectual capital left the country because they couldn't use their brains to support this communist nonsense, so they left.
Speaker 2:That's what happens, and this is dangerous. This is the part I wanna get across. This is precisely the plan, Ordo Abcow. Right? There is a new system of governance waiting, and it's AI driven.
Speaker 2:There's no humans involved, and the owners of this world can't wait for us to stop paying taxes and destroy our own government. They're waiting like this, and they've been prepared for decades. Because as soon as we do that, the collapse happens, and we're here with our solution for you. No more fraud. It's AI.
Speaker 2:It's blockchain. Nobody can steal because we already know where all the assets are and they do. So we have to be very careful about disenfranchising ourselves from the government completely because if we do that, we run a huge risk that the next system is gonna be worse than this one.
Speaker 1:It's a it's a good point you made, Todd. And something, you know, when you mentioned in Venezuela that what happened is that the the intellectual, the intelligent people, they just left. It reminded me of of one of my favorite all time books. Yeah. I'm not sure if you read Atlas Shrugged.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Course.
Speaker 1:It's a it's a big read. I highly, highly recommend people read this book because this is America right now. It's it's it's a it's a brilliant book describing basically, a communist takeover of a country through corrupted government, heavy taxation, through, you know, public private partnership, and eventually, like, the seizing of intellectual capital, etcetera. And what she outlines in here is basically that that's the outcome, that all the intelligent people, they basically say, Look, we're done. They opt out.
Speaker 1:They find their own little place to escape to, and they kind of sit and just watch the country burn. And that's what happens, is that when you stop incentivizing creativity and hard work and ingenuity, the people that have those skills will take them elsewhere. And it's a dangerous thing. It's a dangerous thing to happen, because if it continues, as that young woman said in the video that Elon shared, the culture is really at risk of turning into something that can be come a downward spiral, which is not good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. It is not good. But then it's exactly where we're headed. So the the question then becomes, Seth, what are we going to do about it?
Speaker 2:And I think it goes back to the notion that all things are local. So one of the things that I do like, and I love Anne, by the way, she's a good friend and a leader. And the point is that she's no longer supporting the federal government. And a lot of these people that we talk about, state, national, or however you wanna describe it because there's a bunch of different names to describe the same thing. People that have opted out of the federal system have not opted out of their state system.
Speaker 2:They are simply making that choice. When I say people will leave, that's what we're talking about. They're simply saying, I this is my sovereign, this state. I'm paying those taxes because I live here and I actually get something out of it. But people really struggle to understand what it is they're getting out of the federal system other than a military, which a lot of people don't agree with anyway in what it is that they're doing and being the world policeman.
Speaker 2:So that's the risk we run. Our federal government people have to remember is comprised of 50 states. It's the tenth amendment to our constitution, and without those there is no federal government. And that's the other danger in this. And so the the point I wanna make is this.
Speaker 2:It starts local. You take over everything locally with your people because in in my view, it's not really to do that on a federal level anyway. It's a rigged game. You're not getting in unless you're chosen to get in or approved to get in, but it starts at the school board. It really does.
Speaker 2:It starts at your city. It starts at your town hall. And if you take back those organs of power, the states have the right to not participate. And I think that's the way things actually have to unfold so that we can't have a system of AI governance rolled in and enforcing us to adopt it. Look at Tennessee is a great example.
Speaker 2:There's no more chemtrails. We don't care if this is a federal program. Don't go over our airspace. Other states have followed suit. And while it hasn't stopped it entirely, it has mitigated it, But that's the right way to go in all of this is is don't let's not wholesale abandon, governance.
Speaker 2:It's really a function of making sure that government's working for us.
Speaker 1:And that and that's a that's a really important part too because what's being discussed here is a is a national, federal income tax revolt. It's it's really it's going back to saying, look, we're aligning ourselves with really what it means to be a constitutional republic and how the constitution established that the power is is really at the ground up. It's in your local sheriff. It's at the local level. It's at the state level.
Speaker 1:And the federal government should be this this small government just to protect the borders of the nation and, you know, to do the the core things that you need a federal government for. But it's now grown into this massive
Speaker 2:Beast.
Speaker 1:Behemoth that so people are saying, okay. Well, let's just let's just cut off its food source. Right? Cut off one of its food sources.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But what's interesting is I a lot of questions about this, and here's a guy kind of summarizing what Grock had presented. He said, according to Grock now, again, Grock is just an AI. So but, you know, they are they're they're pretty they're pretty sharp. But according to Grock, if everyone stops paying taxes, the IRS has zero chance of keeping up with it and would go down it would go into a total meltdown. Meanwhile, the US government would have to concede defeat and negotiate with the power of the people for tax exemption indefinitely.
Speaker 1:He continues. He says, This is not rocket science, people. Just ask for your W-four, or if your country if your company's digital, it's very easy. So this is also an interesting point. And everyone should do your own research.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm not kind of giving you legal advice or anything like that. Trust me. Keep staying free, know, steering clear clear of that. But a lot of people are salaried employees. And by law, an employer has to has to pull your taxes out of your paycheck ahead of time when you can give a w two.
Speaker 1:And so a lot of people think, okay, you know, how do I get around that? There's a quick little post here I wanted to share. And this guy says, I don't know who needs to hear this, but when you accept a job, when you accept a job is not the only time you can fill out a w four. You can submit a revised w four at any time. On the revised w four, you can claim enough exemptions to effectively nullify any income tax withholding, or you can simply claim exempt and nullify.
Speaker 1:The first comment here is interesting, he says, Yep, my first paycheck that won't have federal income tax taken out will be next week. I've been taxed since I was 15 years old. Thirty years of taxation has come to an end, and they can suck it. And you're seeing a lot you of, know, a lot of, support from this. And so this is just an interesting point, just so people know that, you know, for people that are on a w two, on a w two, you can't just go to your employer and say, Hey, stop pulling my taxes out, because if you're w two, like, they have to.
Speaker 1:But you can actually switch, as far as I understand, again, do your own research, talk to your accountant or whoever, you can, switch to a w four, and you can stop that from happening. So this is how a lot of people that are on w twos are actually, participating in this.
Speaker 2:It's, the w four simply informs your employer that you'll be responsible for your own taxation instead of them doing it. That's all it is. It's a shift of responsibility. And then it's up to you, right, as to what it is you're going to do. You you get to argue the toss.
Speaker 1:Makes it makes perfect sense. And so also wanna play something here because this, I think, was back in, in December. You know, Trump has floated the idea a lot about replacing the IRS with the ERS, or the external revenue service. This is something okay. It's a little twelve twelve second clip, but I'll play this so we can discuss.
Speaker 2:That at some point in the not too distant future, you won't even have income tax to pay because the money we're taking in is so great, it's so enormous that you're not gonna have income tax to pay.
Speaker 1:So He's right. I mean, you can see
Speaker 2:government didn't our government never had income tax till 1913 because it made his money on tariffs. So he's probably right. Sorry. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Oh, no. I was just saying that. I mean, you can see that this is this is really in the machine is in motion now. And it's kind of exciting, actually, because it feels it feels like as much as we've done rallies and stop the steal and, you know, like, in the mandates, which are all really important, this feels like a pretty significant turning point that I hope that more people understand how important it is.
Speaker 2:I think so. And let me let me just add this to to your calculus. Prior to president Trump in this term, this is really important to note, The the World Economic Forum wasn't just moving forward with globalism by itself. It was using the organization for economic and cooperative development as as the replacement system, the one world regulator. And what Americans don't understand is that system's already in place.
Speaker 2:They've already harmonized everybody's laws and regulations. They gave themselves independent taxing authority, and they were effectively going to replace nations with themselves. What did president Trump do effectively on his first day of office is he reestablished our nation's sovereignty. He closed the borders, and he engaged with immigration and law enforcement, said all these people came illegally, gotta go out. That is called reestablishing your sovereignty.
Speaker 2:If you're not aware, president Biden, president Small p b is also small, went to Mexico. On 01/10/2023, he wrote the declaration of North America, which has the effect, the dissolution of our nation. You might as well call it the articles of dissolution because that's the legal effect of it. The end of American sovereignty, and he did it as an executive order. Name me one person in our federal government says, you don't have the right to dissolve our nation.
Speaker 2:When you get away when you when you open the borders, you are dissolving your sovereignty, and that's what the declaration of North America did. President Trump came in, and regardless of European about them, the man came in and he reestablished our sovereignty by closing the borders and enforcing immigration and saying, no. This is The United States Of America. This is not the North American area. And he renamed the Gulf Of Mexico Gulf Of America.
Speaker 2:He deserves credit for that. If nothing else, he deserves credit for that because he actually saved what we had left of a republic. So I got to give the guy some credit for that. And I also love the way that he's talking. He obviously knows.
Speaker 2:He's a he's a student of history, and he knows that our entire federal government ran on tariff money prior to income taxes. He's got it right, and it is in fact possible to do that. I would warn you, the whole rest of the world operates on value added tax, which is every time American hand touches those goods or services, there's a tax applied. It's a cascading tax, and that's what was in store for all of us until president Trump closed the borders and said, no. This is America.
Speaker 2:We're not going with it. And what did you see as a result of that? You see other nations doing the same thing. It's got back from Chile. Same thing.
Speaker 2:The Chilean said we've had enough of this. We're not going with the OECD and the World Economic Forum. We are Chileans first, and I see that now in Brazil. I see that in Argentina. Everywhere, sovereignty is coming back in into people's minds and their frame of view, and I'm really glad about that.
Speaker 2:But I'm telling you, it would not have happened but for president Trump reestablishing our borders.
Speaker 1:And it's important to give credit where credit is due. And I know that I was you know, would have considered myself a, you know, relatively strong MAGA, in many ways. Believed in a lot a lot of the the core principles. And, also, I think, like, a lot of people felt pretty let down, and and and thinking, okay.
Speaker 2:Like, you're
Speaker 1:being being mocked for discussing Epstein and these things. It didn't sit right with me. I I think I became pretty critical of what's happening, but I'm trying to be neutral. I'm trying not to be kinda emotional one way or other, whether it's idol worship or whether it is just doom and gloom pessimism. And giving credit where credit is due, you know, Trump has done some solid things.
Speaker 4:You
Speaker 1:know, even him talking about income tax. Like, that's a big deal if when you understand the role of income tax and how it has controlled people. I mean, even again, they recently reversed the food pyramid. Right? So we know the standard American diet, which has led to diabetes and obesity, has now been inverted.
Speaker 1:So you're at the very top is proteins and fats. Right? It's like, yes. Of course. Right?
Speaker 1:There's good things happening. One thing that I think is really important to highlight, which is something that I've been really concerned about, that Trump came out. This made my day. This the other day, Trump put this out. He said, for a very long time, buying and owning a home was considered the pinnacle of the American dream.
Speaker 1:It was the reward for working hard and doing the right thing. But now because of the record high inflation caused by Joe Biden and the Democrats in Congress, that American dream is increasingly out of reach for far too many people, especially younger Americans. It is for that reason and much more that I'm immediately taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more single family homes, and I'll be calling on Congress to codify it. This is also interesting. He says, people live in homes, not corporations.
Speaker 1:I will discuss this topic, further housing and affordability proposals and more, at my speech in Davos in two weeks. So this is, like Love it. This is pretty incredible. Right? That
Speaker 2:Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:A, he's he's he's gonna be unveiling this in Davos of all places.
Speaker 2:Fabulous.
Speaker 1:But if you've been following the whole all the different indicators that lead to the outcome of you'll own nothing and be happy, we know that it's become increasingly difficult for the average American family to afford a home, and that's been the staple of security for the American family. And we know that Right. A large reason why the prices have gone up so high is because you have whole neighborhoods being bought up by was it Blackstone, BlackRock, all these giant banks? So him, like, if he legitimately puts an end to that, he, you know, he has my support on that issue fully. That's that's an amazing, amazing thing to be done for the American people.
Speaker 2:I I think he has to go a step further. It may not be a a federal job to do it, but what I said remains true. If if you have to pay tax to own your property, then you don't own it. Yeah. Right?
Speaker 2:Because if you fail to pay it, somebody else gets to have your property. So just to the point, what you said a minute ago, Klaus Schwab et al said, you'll own nothing and be happy. The operative word there is own. Right? They don't want you to own.
Speaker 2:That's the whole point is when you have pride and ownership, when you have something, your own self interest or that of your family, you will dedicate time and energy and effort into it. But when it belongs to the state, they don't. And then I spent three years in Cuba, another communist nation. And when people have nothing of value to trade, do you know what they trade? Information.
Speaker 2:They knock on each other. So all they're trying to do is stay alive. So ownership becomes really the hallmark of freedom, and he's got that right.
Speaker 1:And if you look at all this together, I think there's a lot of good things that are happening, as much as there's a lot of bad stuff going on. Yeah. And We're still here. Something we're doing here. We are.
Speaker 1:We are. Right? And it's funny because even my wife had said the other day because, you know, we we've been pretty disappointed. A lot of things happening under Trump, espe again, especially the FBI, the Charlie Kirk cover up, Epstein. I mean, there's there's a whole laundry list of things that have completely eroded my trust, in in this government.
Speaker 1:But, actually, Kate made a good point. And she goes, you know what, Seth? She's like, I I've I've found a really positive way to feel about president Trump. Actually, I feel pretty settled inside. I was like, what is that?
Speaker 1:She goes, he has now helped the American people see that the political system is completely broken. It's like
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:That's a good point. It's like a lot of people thought Trump's gonna get back in. He's gonna turn the whole thing on its head. He's gonna fix everything. He's gonna arrest all the traitors.
Speaker 1:And, you know, he's again, he's out there saying that, you know, Epstein's a Democrat a Democrat hoax and this. And so I think it's it it's a good thing that a lot of Americans are just like, you know what? I'm done. I'm done with this two party politics system. I'm going back to my local family.
Speaker 1:I'm going back to things I can do. It's actually it's a really important step, I think, in saving the future of this nation.
Speaker 2:It is. And and I would add to that, and I people have been talking about it for a long time, including, Ron Paul, who I really loved, libertarian politician. I think he hated being called a politician. But term limits, if you allow people to establish their positions of power, they will use it and abuse it. But if you if you can't serve for too long, then that goes away.
Speaker 2:So while you have term limits for the presidency, why do we not have them everywhere else? Right? That doesn't make any sense to me. And when you look at the breadth and the depth of the kind of fraud, and I have seen it because I got whistleblower clients who have demonstrated it. You've got governors on the take, attorneys general on the take.
Speaker 2:They've all been there long enough and they're all pals and they all do this graft and greed thing together under the protection of officiality. They're officials. You can't do anything about it. But that's got to change. The only way to really change it is to ensure that there is new blood routinely and regularly so they can't actually take control for a longer period of time.
Speaker 2:So term limits has got to be the key to the to the resurrection of our government. If it will be resurrected. I don't know. I hope. I pray.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you mentioned praying there, because I've come to the conclusion that the only thing that will really save the government is enough American people, I think, getting back to virtue. We have to correct the culture, right? The culture that's been intentionally destroyed by cultural Marxism and corruption and Satan himself. We have to bring back a just a shared moral foundation in this country and respect
Speaker 2:Why you say that?
Speaker 1:And unity.
Speaker 2:Why do you say that? Listen, I gotta send it to you again. I know I sent it to you before, but if you read the communist manifesto, it's it's titled the naked communist. It was read into the congressional record, funny enough, 01/10/1963, sixty years to the day prior to Biden dissolving our nation. There are 45 items in the in the naked communist, how to destroy The United States, and that was read into the congressional record, and it talks about dissolving borders, dissolving oaths of office, dissolving the family, dissolving trust in government, trust in leadership.
Speaker 2:Every one of those has been ticked back. So what I'm trying to say to you is that this has been a plan. There you go. This has been a plan for a very long time, and here we are. We're every one of those 45 items has been ticked back.
Speaker 1:So how about let let me read through a handful of these things because I'm glad that you you brought you mentioned this. And, actually, I'm around going through, I'm I'm, relistening to there's a book that was put out by the editorial team of The Epoch Times called, actually, I'll I'll I'll find out. I'll pull it up real quick. It's called How the Spectre of Communism is Ruling the World. Have you have you read that one yet?
Speaker 2:No. I haven't. I love Epoch Times. No. I've not read that.
Speaker 1:Let me let me I'll pull it up. I'll show you. I I highly, highly, highly recommend it. It's actually you can get it for free too. They have the whole thing serialized.
Speaker 1:You can buy the actual book. This is the book itself on, the Epoch Times shop. Actually, I'll I'll put a link to it, in the description of the show. You can get on audiobook, on Audible, etcetera. But it's called How the Spectre of Communism is Ruling Our World.
Speaker 1:And it is it's a three volume volume set. It Todd, I I highly recommend you read it. You will. Yeah. You'll love
Speaker 2:it down.
Speaker 1:Because it because it because it it merges morality in the battle of good and evil and the devil and Satan and now all these things into the role of communism. And it really makes the point that actually communism so it's it's the entire how the specter of communism is ruling our world. It's not how the specter of communism is ruling China and Vietnam and Cuba or Venezuela. It's the world. And it points out that actually the specter the specter right?
Speaker 1:So what's the specter of communism? It's this evil entity that's actually is ruling America. It's ruling us through heavy taxation, corruption, the corrupt political system through the ruling elites. It gets into all that stuff. Really, really good book.
Speaker 1:But I think it's getting back over to the, the goals. So this was put into congressional record, these goals. So what he 01/10/1963,
Speaker 2:by the way, a few months before they murdered, president Kennedy.
Speaker 1:Exactly. So it says it was under these circumstances that, Cleon Skowzen, a former FBI special agent turned author and devoted anticommunist wrote the book, The Naked Comus in 1958. In '61, Skowzen added a list to his book entitled the 45 communist goals for America. This list is his own and is reprinted below without any changes. And so you're right.
Speaker 1:This was put into it says Skowzen's list was important enough to be read into the congressional record by congressman Albert Hurlong of Florida on 01/10/1963. So think about this. Okay. These were the goals that they wrote that he wrote in 1961. Now in '61, think about how different America was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, okay. So just kinda looking through a couple of these different, these different these goals. Three, develop the illusion that total disarmament by The United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation in regards of whether or not items could be used for war. Provide a
Speaker 2:Item 13 is a good one. Look at look at 13.
Speaker 1:13.
Speaker 2:I filed a I filed a writ qua war onto with the US attorney on this very issue because we found that not a member of the Biden cabinet had a ballot oath of office. There you go. Eliminate loyalty oaths.
Speaker 1:Away with all loyalty oaths. Yep. 15, capture one or both of the political parties in The United States. Check that off. Done.
Speaker 1:Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum, get control of teachers associations, put the party line in textbooks.
Speaker 2:Check.
Speaker 1:Check. Gain control of all student newspapers. Check. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under communist attack. Check, infiltrate the press, get control of the book reviews of review assignments, editorial writing, and policy making positions.
Speaker 1:21, gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. Continue to continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to eliminate all good sculptures from parks and buildings and substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.
Speaker 2:That explains all the memorials that have been destroyed in the last administration.
Speaker 1:And all the stuff that's come up in place of it. These like abominations that they've been erecting. Yeah. '23, control art critics and directions of art museums. Our plan is to promote ug is to promote ugliness and repulsive, meaningless art.
Speaker 1:24, eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press. This is how they brought in pornography, right? It's, oh, you know, we're not gonna ban it because 20 that's five, break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography obscenity in magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Done. And think about that.
Speaker 1:Think about in 1961, that would have seemed crazy to think that they're promoting pornography on on on radio and TV and motion pictures. '26, present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy. Man, '27, eliminate, infiltrate churches, replace revealed religion with social religion, discredit the Bible, and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a religious crutch. 28, eliminate prayer or any phrase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds it violates the separation of church and state. Man.
Speaker 1:29, discredit the American constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, and out of step with modern needs, a hindrance hindrance on cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Speaker 2:Do you remember Ruth Ginsburg? The the Supreme Court justice said exactly those words. He said, oh, we need a replacement. Ours ours is out of date Of course. From a Supreme Court justice.
Speaker 1:Exactly. 30, discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the common man. Gosh, you look at this one. You'll love this one.
Speaker 1:Support any social movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etcetera.
Speaker 2:Department of Education. How about that one? Exactly what that is.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Infiltrate and control the unions, infiltrate and control big business. I mean, it's just it's wild. Even here, discredit the family as an institution, encourage promiscuity and easy divorce, emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents, attribute prejudices, mental blocks, and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. I mean, this is just this is just And
Speaker 2:every one of those. Every one? Every one of those have been ticked back.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:So it was a plan. That's the point. You're looking at the plan. No different than Agenda 21 shares much of the same content.
Speaker 1:Exactly. But it does seem that a lot of Americans, not just Americans, people around the world, are finally waking up to this plan and rejecting it. And so that's, again, that's why we're doing what we're doing. It's why we have these conversations, which I hope that anybody who's made it this far in the conversation, if you're still here with us, with Todd and I, share this with somebody, because this is important information. It really is.
Speaker 1:That's the thing is, have tried so hard to make sure that this show is not one where I'm just feeding the left right, you know, fires. Yes. Where I'm just kind of blaming things. I think it's really about figuring out what's happened to us, why are we here, what happened to this country, and how do we get back to what we want it to be? Because there is a path, but it's not an easy one.
Speaker 1:We have we we must do it.
Speaker 2:Well, it it's it's really up to us. That's what you're saying, and you're so right. It's up to us, and we all have something we can do. I was talking to a gentleman yesterday. You he's an author now.
Speaker 2:Ian Trattier is his name. And he got so disgusted with, our government, a special agent from the FBI, was a whistleblower. He was involved in the whole Brennan Russia, event. They they wouldn't do anything with his whistleblower complaints, so he tried to find people to please get this information out. This guy, just a regular guy, a businessman, I think he's a contract contract took it upon himself to write a book.
Speaker 2:And not only did he write a book that's full of citation to prove the case that these gangsters in our government stole the elections, and they framed Donald Trump with all kinds of horrible things, Russiagate. But he then took his book, and he went around the halls of congress, and he went everywhere he could, and he gave away his books. The point I'm trying to make here is that it takes one. It takes one, and others will follow. So if people have the courage not only to share this, you have the power to do something.
Speaker 2:Use your god given creative brain and figure it out like the guy I spoke with yesterday did. We can all make a difference, every single one of us, but we've got to have the will to fight for our nation, fight for our survival, fight to have our culture back, Seth. The golden age, right? People wanted to come to America because it represented hope. What could be done rather than what has been done.
Speaker 2:So, Ben, you got this exactly right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is this is the beginning of the year. And it's I find this to be really inspiring because what's most important is that people need to know what they can do. They need to know that if they do something, that they can affect change.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because if you no longer believe that you can even affect change, you give up. And you just, you just kind of swim out past the breakers and watch the world die. Right? That's one of my songs growing up, right?
Speaker 1:And that's the thing, though, is that we have a lot of power in this country. We really do. And it's a collective power to build communities, to spread messages like this, to help get more Americans on board with this. Because if we don't, okay, let's show what that where that leads, which we've talked a lot about. But if we do, we have the ability to, I think, to really course correct course correct where this country is going.
Speaker 2:We've got to stop being lazy, Seth. I am so bothered by how many people have abdicated their thinking to AI. How hard is it to understand that if we don't use our brains, our God given dominion over our lives, somebody's gonna do it for us. And in this particular case, it's a machine. Right?
Speaker 2:How lazy can we be that we can't even go in a search engine or go to a library to look up information? We now have to ask a freaking computer that may or may not give you the right answer. But it's what I'm trying to say is it's it's anecdotal as it relates to the bigger question. Do we have the will, right, to stand up for ourselves, to take back our dominion, to live our lives as God's creations, as humans, or are we going to be consumed by something created by others? Vis a vis world economic form, you'll own nothing and be happy.
Speaker 2:If you wanna live in a freaking box and eat crickets and have somebody else do your thinking for you, go that way. But if you wanna be a sovereign, if you wanna be a human, if you wanna have dominion and freedom over your life, you gotta earn that. It means doing your own thinking, doing your own work. So stop being lazy, Americans. That's how we got here.
Speaker 1:Exactly. It's a fourth turning. It's a fourth turning. Right? And and right right now, it's weak men have created a wreck of society, but that's now forging strong men, and that strength is is is reemerging.
Speaker 1:And so
Speaker 2:I Bring God back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the other part.
Speaker 1:Well, Todd, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for, just allowing me to sit and pick your brain and share these thoughts together. I hope that this discussion can go far and wide, and get more people on board and more people to feel inspired, and to feel like they have that locus of control, that ability to actually affect change. It's very important.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, you're important. Seth, thank you for giving me the opportunity to have this conversation because it is inspiring, and I think you bring a lot to that. And I just love your intro, you know, talked about it little bit. It's that whole spirit of a a freedom of the the pioneer spirit, the golden age Americana, where we had an American culture.
Speaker 2:And I appreciate you doing that. You're representative of that culture. So thanks for having me, allowing me the opportunity to have this chat.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you again. Yeah. Absolutely, Todd. Well, until next time, take care, and God bless you, and God bless America.
Speaker 2:God bless.