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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
Everybody, welcome to episode 17 of the crazy hockey dads podcast. Scott and I are coming to you with a holiday edition, fourth of July. Fourth of July. Happy fourth of July. We did Father's Day and Easter, so we figured we'd continue the tradition with a a holiday episode.
Jamie:Maybe we'll continue with the holiday episode. You guys are getting a bonus episode this week. We will record early next week as well, so we're gonna throw this one in for you guys as a bonus. So today, Scott and I are gonna talk about because it's the fourth of July, we're gonna talk about some fireworks, and our fireworks are gonna be a story with some hockey dad fights. We are gonna talk about USA hockey and the upcoming Olympic team, And I think that's gonna be fun because our our our Canadian listeners are gonna are gonna love that, I'm sure, because USA, Canada have developed a nice little rivalry, so that should be interesting kinda moving forward.
Jamie:So we'll talk a little bit about that.
Scott:That's just the four nations fight with with the Ka'Chucks, like that is going down in USA and in the hockey history, like for the rest of eternity that will be showed and in So good. Memorialized in, the hockey hall of fame, it should be.
Jamie:So good. I mean, so, so, so good. We're gonna have a little bit of a rant, and then we're gonna tell you since we always complained about about the game that we're in, at the end, we're gonna talk about why youth hockey is so awesome. Alright? Yeah.
Jamie:So yeah. So now Otto is still at camp, right?
Scott:Yeah, he's still up in New Hampshire. I'm going up tomorrow and then gonna watch a game he's playing in on Friday. You know, I just had a day off and it's, know, Orly and I are gonna share the driving and wanted to just check him One of his former teammates is up there who's been going to that camp as Lawell as his brother for like forever. So a great hockey family and very fond of the parents, great kid. So his mom will be up there.
Scott:So we'll be up there, we'll hang out with her, maybe grab a bite to eat. And then, yeah, after hockey camp, he's off to mountain biking camp, but that's, you know, whatever. But yeah, I'm really looking forward to see it was super intense, I guess, maybe, I don't know if like what it was highly, they they had a lot of hockey, like between on a sessions, shooting lanes, conditioning. I'm really curious to see what his experience was like. And if he comes back feeling like really energized and psyched about hockey or he's gonna be like, oh, I am so ready for break.
Scott:You know, I'm I'm really curious to see what his mentality is gonna be like. But yeah, that's that's where he's at and Alright. Yeah. I know you're still on vacation. Right?
Scott:I see some trees in the background. Where where are you and the fam?
Jamie:Yep. So we were in West Virginia, we were in Hot Springs. No, I'm sorry. We were in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia. We're now in Hot Springs, Virginia.
Jamie:So a little different than our last location. So coming at you remotely, so please bear with us. Not exactly easy doing this on the road. So I'm coming at you from Hot Springs and Scott is coming at you from his bunker.
Scott:That's right. That's right. The one thing I have in my bunker above all else is hockey equipment.
Jamie:I see that. I definitely see that. Which listen, is appropriate. Right?
Scott:No. Yeah. I mean, it serves multiple purposes. You know, it's protect Right. On the ice and maybe if you're no.
Scott:We don't need to go there. But yeah, in New Jersey, hanging out in the basement.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Alright. Listen.
Jamie:So Scott's coming at you from the bunker. I'm coming at you from Hot Springs, Virginia. Yeah. Good stuff. So Okay.
Jamie:Have a question. Yeah. Keep going.
Scott:Hold on.
Jamie:Fire away.
Scott:I'm cutting you off. So Dom brought a stick and hockey ball down there with him or some kind of puck. Has he been, using it at all or not so much?
Jamie:Yeah, man, yes, every day.
Scott:Know what that makes me think It makes me think of that Instagram post you sent me with the little kid like stick handling between the pylon
Jamie:or outside or whatever. For those of you that don't know what it is, it it the caps it's a it's a maybe like a four year old, like, stick handling with a hockey ball around pylons, like, out on a street somewhere. And the caption is the day my son stops playing hockey. Right? And then it shows him, you know, stick killing around pylons, and then it immediately cuts to a picture of an adoption center.
Jamie:You know Totally. Yeah. You know, it it's funny that that you you that you brought that up because I think a couple weeks ago, I happened to ask Nancy. I'm like, Nancy, I'm like, what do we do if Dominic stops playing ice hockey? Because I have to tell you, I don't remember what I did with my time before Dominic started playing hockey.
Jamie:I don't know.
Scott:I have
Jamie:no idea. Right?
Scott:It's it's like it's like when you have a you know, you don't have hockey one weekend and you're like, you're you don't know what to do with yourself, you know? But look, as things change, you would obviously figure it out. But yeah, man, it's an adjustment. You spend so much time doing it. And I actually thought about this, you know, I was going to mountain biking camp and last episode, was just mentioning how he's doing mountain biking strictly because he loves to do it, right?
Scott:Like, I'm not there with him. And I was thinking how he's out there in the woods with his friends riding a bike. He's going to a camp. He's learn to take it a little seriously. Maybe he's gonna join like a team, like his buddies on a mountain biking team around here.
Scott:And I was just thinking to myself, like, kid can go mountain bike and like fail, fall off his bike, succeed, like go off a big jump or a drop or something like that. And I'm not giving him any feedback. I don't know much about mountain biking. I don't know how to like give him feedback, but he's literally getting zero feedback from me. And I was thinking how that must be so it must be so different to do something that's athletic and for the fun of it and and not get feedback or be like, dude, you need to go to, like, your mountain biking class today or you need to get on a stationary bike and work on those quads.
Scott:Dude, you need to start You know what I mean? It's gotta be
Jamie:very Yeah. Sure Yes, I think you're right about that. You know, he's doing it because he loves it. He's not being pushed at all. Right?
Jamie:Listen, I suppose you can become an X Games athlete. Right? A mountain biking X Games Yeah. Well, oh, and by the way, we're gonna chat about USA hockey today. That's our main topic.
Jamie:Our main topic is USA hockey and what exactly USA hockey does. And we could talk about The USA hockey rules, the crazy offsides, the lack of contact, that type of stuff. So we have an all USA kind of conversation today for our July 4 edition. Let's go.
Scott:Let's get after it, man.
Jamie:Before that, let's we I just wanna update everybody. So if you guys want gear, tape, laces, Howie's hockey, use our code crazy 10. Go build yourself a tape box. There's a three, a 12, and a 30 pack. Go build yourself of all different colored tapes.
Jamie:Make sure you get the red, white, and blue, The USA hockey tape for the fourth of July, and use our code crazy 10 because it really helps us out. I also wanted to add so we added a couple states. We added New Hampshire, and we added New Mexico, which is awesome. We added another Canadian province, which I'm shocked about. We have two more to go and we're shocked.
Jamie:So we added Newfoundland. So we added that. That's awesome. So we have two to go. Two more folks.
Jamie:Yeah. Share the show in Canada. Come on. No. I think it's awesome.
Jamie:I just didn't I didn't I didn't think it was gonna go this quickly. I thought it would take longer. Right? And then we added another spot in spot in Taiwan. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. I I I I I figured it would happen. I just didn't think it would happen so quick. Right?
Scott:Right. Amazing. Amazing stuff, dude.
Jamie:And then we added an, yeah, and another location in Taiwan. Shocking. Yeah. Added another Taiwanese spot.
Scott:Think I was mentioning earlier about the, I think it's ESPN. I have to double check, but one of the I I that they do, like, like hockey, what hockey is like in different parts of the the world in in very much, like, unassuming places, places where you wouldn't think hockey has much going for it, or that's not the right way of putting it, but like does it have much of a following is better put? You should definitely take a look at that and see it. It would be curious to see as we are adding places, countries, if they have, if we could even like get a peek just by chance that there is an episode done by ESPN or whatever pro, whatever station did it.
Jamie:You gotta look it up. Yeah, I mean, some of the countries on our list, I I mean, I'm very surprised that we have listeners from there. I mean, Turkey, Japan, Puerto Rico, Taiwan. Norway, I get. England I get, The Netherlands I get.
Jamie:Taiwan threw me for a loop, France even threw me for a loop, Turkey, Japan, Puerto Rico. I would not think there's much hockey played there, but apparently there is.
Scott:Hey, listen, and anyone that's that's tuned in from any place really, but any of these more like a remote, like less hockey popular countries, we'd love to hear what it's like over there and what you, your family, your kids are doing over there. It'd be super cool, you know, to to learn more
Jamie:about Absolutely. Send us a message. Oh, yeah. We'd love to hear about that. I would love to hear about hockey in in Japan, in Taiwan, in Puerto Rico.
Jamie:I would love to hear what goes on over there.
Scott:Okay, is what I was talking about. So it is ESPN and the series is called This is Hockey. They have two, four, six, it looks like seven episodes. Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Brazil, and Colombia. So Western Hemisphere, Primarily like South America.
Jamie:But
Scott:yeah, we can check that out and yeah, like I said, it'd be cool to learn.
Jamie:Yeah, I'd be very curious to talk to anybody, you know, from those areas about what ice hockey is like there. I'd be really curious to hear because I I was not expecting the map to light up where it's lighting up, which is awesome. So
Scott:Yeah, dude.
Jamie:Here we go. 10 plus countries, you know, eight eight Canadian provinces, 35 states in The US, and away we go.
Scott:Right? Dude, you're in West Virginia. Make it happen, bro.
Jamie:That's that's right. Yeah. West Virginia is not one of our states by the way. It's not. So Yeah.
Jamie:Listen. I mean, anybody that knows of me in West Virginia well, I was in West Virginia. Now I'm in Virginia.
Scott:Oh, okay. Alright. Whatever.
Jamie:Yeah. And we have Virginia ready. Virginia is one of our states, but West Virginia is not
Scott:Copy that.
Jamie:Hopefully coming soon. Fourth of July.
Scott:Hope everyone's getting up to something good, but yeah, let's let's get after it.
Jamie:I I wanna Do wanna dive into our USA hockey topic? Go ahead.
Scott:Yeah. No. Well, we can yeah. I was gonna say, well, I'm I'm very curious to hear the the story you were talking about. The fireworks as you might say between hockey parents.
Scott:Do you wanna wanna get into that now or you wanna hold it hold it until later?
Jamie:No. No. I'll tell that now because I have a funny USA hockey story to tell. So I I have a couple. Alright.
Jamie:So because it's fourth of July and fireworks are a big thing for us here in The States, you know, I figured a hockey dad fight would be an appropriate story to tell. Right? Okay. Go. So we are in Tampa a couple years ago.
Jamie:The season was over. Okay. And for some reason we had a exposure, Eastern exposure tournament down in South Florida. Okay. So, and for those of you listening, I highly recommend not doing an end of the year tournament because what I noticed is once the season ends is when a parent start getting chippy, if there's a chance their kid's not gonna come back.
Jamie:They just start getting weird. So the I highly recommend just letting the season end and not scheduling anything for the end of the year because we had a bunch of parents that were so awkward on this trip. Okay? That's just a sidebar. I would skip the end of the year tournaments.
Jamie:Just saying. Alright? So so here we are in Tampa. Alright? So tensions are high because, you know, people aren't sure who's coming back the next year.
Jamie:Their tryouts are coming up. You know, the seasons are again, our season's done. Alright? And we scheduled the tournament in Tampa. So we're in Tampa, and I wanna say that we were playing Cal Bears maybe, something along.
Jamie:We played them a bunch of times. They kept they kept bouncing us in, like, the semifinals of tournaments or in the finals. So we're playing the Cal Bears, and there was a very nice bar up in the top of this rink right outside of Downtown Tampa. Okay. So a bunch of the dads were getting after it at the bar before our games.
Jamie:Okay. Before our like later in the afternoon game, call it 04:00.
Scott:All right. Sorry to interrupt, but the getting after it, meaning like hitting the sauce, not like getting after it, fighting at the bar.
Jamie:No, no. Getting after it. We were all hanging out at the bar. So it was situated was, is they had a bar up and you could look down at the rink. It was on one it wasn't in the middle of the ice.
Jamie:It was on one side of the you're basically looking at the back of a net and the other and the rink kind of went away from you. Okay? So a bunch of us were watching from the restaurant. A couple guys, a couple dads went down into the rink. Okay?
Jamie:So it was probably, oh, I don't know, you know, third period ish. We're losing like four two, you know, five three, something like that. I don't remember exactly what the score was. So I'm there, and my my Nancy's aunt and uncle were there with me because they live not far from Downtown Tampa. Okay?
Jamie:Right. So I'm talking to them in the restaurant. My father-in-law is there, and and we're watching the game. Okay? So I'm sitting in the restaurant right up against the glass watching down, and the rink is down below us.
Jamie:Right? So down below were a couple parents. Alright? They were standing next to each other on the glass. One dad had a beer kind of propped up on the ledge, right, where the boards meet the glass.
Jamie:So it's almost like if somebody slammed into it, the drink would have like fallen off. Okay?
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:So one of these moms comes up to me and is like and I was like one of the people that were in charge of the team at the time. So she comes up to me, she goes she like runs upstairs, she goes, Jamie, we're gonna have a problem. And I was like, Jess, what are you talking about? So she goes, look down there. So I looked down.
Jamie:Alright. And below me are two of our dads and they're kind of, you know, jawing at each other a little bit. Okay? And one of the dads grabs the other dad's drink and tosses it on him, like right in his They
Scott:took his own drink and threw it on him?
Jamie:No. Took the other guy's drink.
Scott:I mean, took it that's when he took the other guy's Right. Took it out of his hand and His drink does. Dust him with it.
Jamie:No. It was it it was sitting on the ledge. It wasn't in his hand. Was sitting it was sitting on the ledge. He took it and whoop.
Jamie:Alright? And then the dad who got the drink thrown in his face, like, grabs him by the grabs on the shirt, cocks his arm back, does not throw the punch. Okay? Alright. Wow.
Jamie:So I down so I see this happen. I run downstairs, down the stairs, and when I got there, the dad that had his arm the dad that got the drink thrown in his face was not there. The other dad was there. So I immediately look at him and I go, what is the matter with you? I go, why would you do that?
Jamie:Like, why would you do that? So he created a they created a scene, okay, right behind the net essentially. And so I'm yelling at this father going, you know, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you do that? Like, what you know, you know, it was so uncalled for, so childish.
Jamie:And and then I said, I said, I said, look, I said, turn around. And I turn him and there's an entire team of kids that were getting on the ice after us right behind him that saw the entire thing. I go, look how embarrassing this is. Alright? So he goes, you're right.
Jamie:It was my mistake. I should go talk to him. I said, no. Don't go talk to him. I go, leave it alone.
Jamie:I go, don't talk to him. Don't go near him. I go, don't go anywhere near him. I go, just leave it alone. We'll handle this later.
Jamie:Right? Yeah. So he goes, okay, you're right. Alright. So I go back upstairs because my wife's and uncle were there.
Jamie:So I go back upstairs and the game ends. Alright. I come downstairs after, you know, the game said bye to Nancy's aunt and uncle. I come downstairs. I'm in the lobby now.
Jamie:Alright? I'm in the lobby and somebody comes running in and they're like they're like, Jamie, they're like, two of our dads just brawled in the parking lot. Was like Shit. What? He goes, yeah.
Jamie:I was like, are you kidding me right now? So apparently, the one dad that I told not to go talk to the other dad, he went and found him. One of our other dads like said, hey, listen, let's go outside and talk about this. If you guys need to throw some hands, we'll settle this like gentlemen and we'll be all good. So this other dad like egged it on.
Jamie:Right?
Scott:Oh, man.
Jamie:So he brought them outside and they had it out. Right? Like, you can't make this stuff up. Right? No.
Jamie:So then everybody goes home. I stay there. My father-in-law takes Dominic to go eat with Nancy's aunt and uncle. I stay there cause I go up to Matt Miles, who is the owner of of Exposure, and I I was like, Matt, listen. I go, yeah, I wanna apologize.
Jamie:I go, this looks terrible. I mean, Scott, thank God our team was a top 15 team in the country because if we if we weren't, they would have never had us back. Right. You know? So luckily so luckily, I smoothed it over with Miles.
Jamie:He showed me one some some parent, some random parent took a video of it. Showed it to Miles, and Miles is like, wanna see the video, Jamie? Yeah. I'm like, yeah. Show me the video.
Jamie:So I saw the video. He showed me the video of them going out in the parking lot. It was crazy. You know?
Scott:Oh my god. The
Jamie:Fireworks, man. Fireworks, hockey dad fights on our own team.
Scott:Yeah, that's very different than getting into it with the other team, which is like usually where things start to escalate, not usually within your own team. Absolutely. The two stories that I have that come somewhat close to that, but certainly don't touch is when had being a coach, I was on the bench mostly and I was not in the stands. So the one time a couple of years back, started with moms. It started with moms and then we're out in Long Island.
Scott:Wow. And one of the moms on the other team, it proved out that she was regularly kinda like pushing the envelope, and what do I mean by that? I mean, yelling, cheering, maybe saying something obnoxious, accidentally on purpose too loud type of thing. And then, have someone on our team who's like, you know, they started going back and forth and then a dad gets involved. And I just remember being on the bench and hearing commotion from across the ice and seeing our, one of our goalies, dad, like ending up in the middle of two, like two moms, one from our side, one from the other side about to, you know, go after it and, you know, that never, thankfully nothing really got out of hand, but it was definitely, you know, it was two moms that had to get separated.
Scott:And then this past year also I was on the bench and the game on the ice was getting very physical, chippy, kids were starting to get to that point where like, they were ratcheting up their like, the violence, if you will, like slashing, like cross checking from behind, clearing kids out from in front of the net when it's like completely not necessary. And so the dads in the stands start going back and forth after two, like one, the one kid on our team, I forget if he got punched in the head when he wasn't looking or the refs weren't looking, or he got like just laid out, but it was something that was like anyway, so the dad, one of the dads on our team, you know, started, you know, saying, Hey, know, the other team, like, what the fuck? Like, know, Bob and someone from the other side, this is down in Southern Jersey. And like the parents from the other team starts, you know, obviously giving it back and they're like, know, it's my kid, you know, everyone. And look, you know, I can understand
Jamie:I have a feeling I know who you guys are playing.
Scott:Maybe it starts with the p ends with a c.
Jamie:A 100%. Dude, what is with that place? That's where the parents went bananas last year when we played them. Nuts. I don't get it.
Scott:God, I do not understand that one. You know who played down
Jamie:there? This
Scott:just pops into my head, but he plays for the Islanders now, but the defenseman Tony D'Angelo, who had a career in the NHL before he went off to Russia, and now he came back. But he got bounced because he got into a fight with his goalie. In any event, it just Wow. That just popped into my head that, like Talking
Jamie:about fireworks.
Scott:I know, but like, so two NHL players, one of them also played for starts with the P, ends with the C. Or he's from the town, the rinks in either way, it doesn't matter. But yeah, parents start going after it and then here we are, the kids are on the ice and like looking up at the stands and seeing the parents, starting to fight and like having to be separated, and it's just like, it's the last thing the kids hurt, like kids are hurt on the ice and then they're looking up and seeing like their parents like fighting and whatever. And it's like the priority is just the kids safety, like, I don't know, but like I can understand, don't get me wrong. Like I've, over the course of my life, I've lost my temper more than once and I get it, but, and I'm not talking about as a parent in the stands, I'm just talking about like, I can relate to people losing their cool is what I'm saying.
Scott:And you know, cooler just it's important to take the high road, you know, like there's nothing, fighting a dad on the other team is not gonna make your kid feel any better. Like that's just the bottom line.
Jamie:Or on your own team.
Scott:Or on your own, yeah, like I can't even, can't even with that one.
Jamie:So ridiculous. No. Level of ridiculousness is off the charts.
Scott:Yeah. No, but it's Yeah. So fireworks are are probably best reserved for fourth of July and not for hockey parents and fighting.
Jamie:Well said. Very well said. But you
Scott:did also just thinking about fireworks, other places, and I know you, we started talking about this with like dads, but like also between kids, right? And like when kids get, start fighting between each other at the younger ages and how to deal with that, we had a situation on a team where one of our kids speared his own teammate in the neck, like during a game.
Jamie:Yeah. Interesting.
Scott:Yeah, so there was a line change. Was like, there was, sorry, there's a little delay. There was a line change and as one's coming off, the other one's going on. And I don't know what words were exchanged about like whatever had happened or I don't really know, but one kid decided to like take his stick and basically his teammate in the neck. No, I don't know if he was going for his like face, you know, like the face mask and it like just went low, but I mean, so here's another example where, you know, okay, we're talking, now I'm talking about little kids and then it's like, how do the parents kind of hash that out, And that one ended between the parents from what I remember, like very civil, didn't end up in like fisticuffs, which no, it did not.
Scott:But it's still, there's so many moments when you're in a contact sport where at the younger ages, we all have to remember that these kids are young and there's no, I'm not excusing any like violent behavior, like that's not what it is, but like kids make mistakes, and I think those are the moments when like the parents need to not fight and they need to like make it into a teaching lesson for their kids. Well said, very well said. It can be very difficult. I mean, I get it, I get it.
Jamie:So, you know, it's funny. You just reminded me of something about like kids fighting on your own team. That same game where that dad threw the drink on the other dad. Yeah. So that father that threw the drink.
Jamie:Yeah. His kid in that same game slashed his teammate.
Scott:No shit.
Jamie:In the back of the leg. Oh yeah.
Scott:Interesting. Yeah. So maybe like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Jamie:That's what I was thinking, you know. And shockingly, those two dads did not go at it until like the following season. The one dad up in Worcester went outside and actually said something to the to the father's son. He said something to the kid about his father. Talk about inappropriate.
Scott:That's fucked up. Bro.
Jamie:And I was out there. I ran out there to confront and I liked his father, but and he knew he was out of line. But that's that that is super inappropriate. And he knew it was inappropriate after he did it. Yeah, he actually said to the kid something about his father, like super inappropriate.
Jamie:You know what I mean? Like talking about crossing a line. Right? No doubt. Fireworks, dude.
Jamie:We had shitloads of fireworks at that team.
Scott:You know, and I think there were not not I think, I know, but like just even last season wasn't our team, an older team where, and you know the cast of characters and we talked about it, but there was a situation where one dad called another the c word.
Jamie:Yes, he did.
Scott:And then that ended up in a fight in the parking lot also. You know, but like, if you
Jamie:That wasn't much of a fight by the way. That one dad, I know both of those fathers. One dad is that was not much of a scrape. Let's put it that way. It was a tilly, but it was very one-sided, extremely one-sided.
Jamie:But
Scott:yeah, shouldn't have happened.
Jamie:Mean, again, fathers on the same team,
Scott:right? And yes, again, was fathers on the same team, it involved Same team. And you see all the, like, obviously people, you can flip through Instagram and see tons of lowlights of parents acting like completely inappropriate. So it's not like,
Jamie:but
Scott:I think just even by talking about it, I mean, so let's just like for a second, just so that the last example that I gave, the consequences were ultimately the kids were let go of the team, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think they played
Jamie:They were in that instance, yes.
Scott:I'm pretty sure that they weren't. You could imagine parents, you didn't like call another parent a cunt and if you also decided not to fight in a parking lot, then you wouldn't have ruined it for your kid, you know? And it's just like, who needs that? You know? And we've talked about that.
Scott:Because that's ultimately who suffers the most. And even if you don't get kicked out, but like watching your dad, like as a child, like get into like a fist fight while you're on the ice and like you're crying, you know, I could only imagine that. Okay. So let me, I misspoke there. There was not a fist fight, but like, there was like the parents were having to get broken up.
Scott:Like, I don't know. I could imagine like being a kid that's like, you know, could be terrifying, you know, seeing that happen and involving your parent.
Jamie:Not only not only would they see it happening, but even if you hear about it, it's embarrassing for the child. I mean, what is that what is what kind of an example are you setting for your kid? Like, what kind of example? You know what I mean? Like, come on.
Jamie:I remember saying to that father while we were in Tampa, I remember saying to him when I first approached him, and I said, what is the matter with you? I was like, God forbid, what if you hit him and he fell and split his head open and died, or you fell backwards and split your head open and died? I go, you have a family. I go, you're responsible for your wife, your children, you have a house, you have a job, like, what good is that gonna do you?
Scott:Okay. None. So so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna put this out there. Okay, what if you talk to the dad and the dad was like, well, listen, I told the other dad, if he touched me one more time, I gave him a warning and then he did it again and like the same advice that we would give our kids and the other dad didn't listen, so I knocked him the fuck out. Like is that okay then?
Scott:It's adults? No, but it's okay for kids.
Jamie:No. Alright. So, alright. So adults should be able to control themselves, Right? Listen, it would be nice if kids walk away too, but in life, I don't think that's a reality and kids are stunned.
Jamie:Right? Whereas adults know So
Scott:are adults.
Jamie:Right from wrong.
Scott:There's plenty of adults.
Jamie:No. No. Listen, adult I I don't I I see what you're saying, but in my opinion, adults know right from wrong. Right? Adults should be able to again, you know, you have a job, you have a family that you're responsible for.
Jamie:You cannot be fighting in your twenties, thirties, forties. You just can't be. You know, if kids, you know, have a little bit of a tilly, okay, fine. You know, they're not gonna, you know, for the most part, they're not gonna really injure one another. Right?
Jamie:You know, but adults is another So
Scott:you think it's more about, and again, I'm ahead.
Jamie:No, I'm just saying either are probably are not appropriate. Right?
Scott:No, I'm just saying with the kid example, I mean like the expected consequences of two kids getting after it are probably not as the potential of them for being very severe or life altering potentially Are less or lower. You're not thinking about like really injuring someone, although a kid certainly couldn't. I don't
Jamie:even know what
Scott:they No question. At some point you got to graduate from, like, I don't know what age it starts to become like a thing, but Me neither. It should should be completely off limits. But I don't know, man. It's not an easy thing, especially if you're being antagonized, if you're being provoked, I guess the best thing to do is just, I don't know, like, so as we talk about this, I'm having mixed feelings because on one hand, like I was about to say just always walk away, you can always walk But then on the other hand, I'm like, if you're regularly getting bullied, for example, and you always walk away, at some point, and I'm not suggesting, starting a fight with somebody else, I'm just saying, addressing the bully in some way, shape or form and doing it yourself and not relying on others to do the hard work for you.
Scott:I think that there's a point in time where it should be addressed, but again, talking great. And then if you get, I don't know, if someone starts getting physical with you, then okay, then do what you have to do, I guess. But I don't know, on one hand I feel like walking away is the best road, but it's also like what you're just gonna walk away every time. I don't know, I guess.
Jamie:I think you walk away to a point. And I'm talking kids, right? And then listen, we've talked about this on another podcast. You know, I, Dominic has full on authority to open hand somebody across the face. I don't want him punching because I don't want him really injuring somebody, right?
Jamie:I don't want him breaking a nose or an eye socket or something like that or, you know?
Scott:It okay for parents to do that for an adult? Like if an adult said, hey, I didn't punch him, I open handed him and he wouldn't back down, he kept on like shoving me.
Jamie:Listen, in the instance of that parent fight, you know, the one father should not have thrown the drink on the other one, right? I mean, you crossed a major line there, you know? Right. If the dad had hit him in the rink, I mean, it would not have shocked me. Would it have been right?
Jamie:No. Also, it wasn't right for the dad to throw a drug, but bullying generally doesn't happen at the adult level. Am I wrong about that? No. Right?
Jamie:I mean, we're all pretty civilized people, you know?
Scott:Yeah, no, I agree. I think that there's major differences between adults and children. So like, I'm not even trying to put like say that this is an apples to apples conversation, I'm just trying to, know, give some deeper thought to like some of the lessons that we might choose to teach our kids and, you know, do as I say, not as I do, you know, or I think that's an expression that might apply, you know, it's like, what is, and sometimes it's, you know, the sometimes we end up talking out of both sides of our mouth. I don't know.
Jamie:It is true. There's no question about it, you know, but yeah, you know, so that, I guess that's our fireworks segment for this. Right? A pretty good story.
Scott:You have them,
Jamie:you tell them, know, I can always come up with one, but I'll save it for another episode.
Scott:No, that's fair. You are good like that. I feel like I Yeah. I don't have I don't think I have any other
Jamie:I think I know I've had What? Had there's been like some other
Scott:fireworks, sorry, other fireworks, there are those like coach between coaches where there's definitely been like decisions not to shake hands with the other team. Some of the chirping that happens like between two teams and the coaches and the FU bombs and the Which I will say, I've had some less than proud moments in front of kids on the bench and telling another coach to fuck himself and the kids are like, will look, know, know, Ottawa, did you just tell him to fuck himself? And I'm like, I shouldn't have said that, but yeah, I did, you know? Knew And then with reps too, I'll say this, the other one where coaches have sometimes a real, have a hard time holding their tongue is when it comes to like giving refs some lip, but yeah, maybe maybe I'm digressing somewhat but yeah.
Jamie:No, listen, you'll see. Yeah, but that's our fireworks section, that was good, I like that. You know, fireworks for the fourth of July, very appropriate. Yeah, Exactly. So in the spirit of the fourth of July, I was gonna chat a little bit about our topic, is USA hockey, and I'm really not sure what they do.
Jamie:You know, I know they have a lot of rules. You know, does USA hockey have any teeth to them? You know, I didn't think so, and then I kind of encountered something where I thought maybe they did because we pay dues to USA hockey, and I'm not exactly sure what they do, to be honest with you.
Scott:You know, it's funny you say that. I I I do think and and, you know, just to to support other podcasts that are doing something similar, I I'm pretty sure PowerTech Hockey just had someone from USA Hockey on their podcast. And the little clip that I listened to was like, there was one representative who like handles New England and maybe there's one like within obviously Massachusetts is New England and Massachusetts Massachusetts itself, I think has like one dedicated rep and it all is based on like the number of kids enrolled or maybe it's not just kids, like people enrolled in USA hockey in different parts of the country. So there's definitely dedicated representatives. I have not come across Agree.
Scott:Any representatives in person. Have, and I I wasn't on the front lines of this, but like there were situations that were escalated to USA hockey from like, you know, on ice, like violence basically that got reported, which, you know, in response, I think there was a kid on the handshake line had speared our goalie in the neck or in the face was in the neck or face with a stick, but like it was really premeditated. It was really premeditated and USA, I think he ended up with like a couple, like two or three game suspension. Again, I don't know how they operate. Now
Jamie:was that from the organization or was that
Scott:from USA hockey? I don't know exactly. I don't know. I know. My thought was that it was from USA hockey, but I don't know that to be a fact.
Scott:I could be getting it very Yeah.
Jamie:I don't know. I mean, right? I mean, I I've seen I've seen there's a kid in Dominic's birth year who, I kid you not, when I say that this kid has been thrown out of more tournaments than I have fingers, which I'm not even sure how that's possible. Wow. Okay?
Jamie:And he just keeps playing.
Scott:But it all depends if it gets reported or not. Like if USA hockey doesn't know, they
Jamie:don't I know multiple people that have raised this to USA hockey, Multiple. And this kid just keeps playing hockey. He goes from team to team to team to team to team to team to team.
Scott:Interesting. Crazy.
Jamie:That's what I mean. So what is USA Hockey really doing?
Scott:Yeah, I mean, look, obviously there's there is a major organization, but like on when you get to like a team, like a club, the club level, I don't know if you'd ever even really encounter anyone from USA hockey. I mean, my dealings with USA hockey is personally have only been with respect to coaching and getting my different coaching certificates. Right? Certification,
Jamie:yeah, right.
Scott:Yeah, so I, that was like, I have a level four certification, it goes up to five and every, like, I guess it was, it depends, like there's like a wide window when they offer the classes or the certification classes, but it was like annually, you know, like late summer, like fall time when I would see USA hockey representatives on zoom calls. But that's the only dealings I've ever had with them, which was was with coaching.
Jamie:Yeah. No. It's you want me to tell you a crazy USA Hockey story? So I I didn't think that USA hockey had any teeth. Okay?
Jamie:So last year, our coach, our head coach was an assistant coach of a u eighteen team.
Scott:Okay?
Jamie:What and I didn't even know this was a thing, but so last year and his game was on right before hours. Okay?
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:So his game's on before four hours. And he did they they did that on purpose because they were doing that so he, you know, he didn't have massive gaps in between. So he they were on on the ice right before us. Alright?
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:So apparently, which I also did not know, I'm curious if you know this because this didn't this doesn't happen at the triple a level. So apparently, if if your team has 10 or more penalties.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:10 or more penalties, you have to sit one game, your next game as per USA hockey. Did you know that?
Scott:Yeah, the coach does.
Jamie:Yes. Okay. So you knew that? Yeah. Oh, we we were on the verge of that multiple times.
Jamie:Never even came close to that. Never came close to that. I was joking. I I think that was close to it.
Scott:Oh, we had penalty taking issues last year. We
Jamie:we did not help Alright. So you know the rule, you know what I'm talking about. Okay. Yeah. Alright.
Jamie:So so our coaches our coaches on the ice, and remember, he's the assistant coach. Okay?
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:The head coach of that U eighteen game that's on before us, the head coach gets thrown out. Okay?
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:So then our coach stepped in and finished the game. Okay?
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:There were like, I don't know, call it 13 penalties. K? Our game starts after that game finished. They they zamboni the ice. We get out there.
Jamie:A USA hockey official came onto the bench well, not onto the bench. Came onto the ice, called our coach off the ice, and said, you need to set a game. Now you tell me how fair this is. He was the assistant coach of a u eighteen team. Right?
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:And they made him sit for our game of twelves right after. He didn't have to sit in another u eighteen game. He sat for our game right after it. They would not let him coach our game. So our assistant coach had to coach our game.
Jamie:How ridiculous is that shit?
Scott:Wow. That's interesting. Our team
Jamie:had nothing to do with it. We had nothing to do with it. Right?
Scott:But I guess the
Jamie:Show their consequences followed person,
Scott:not the team.
Jamie:I was like, what the fuck? I was like, who's fucking stupid ass rule is this? I think hockey official was actually in the building. Well,
Scott:I would say if the officials probably would be like, well, you know, like, it's the stupid ass coach's fault, you know, who
Jamie:who was you know
Scott:he was the assistant I why I said that because yeah, I totally take that back, I don't even know what I was thinking, yes.
Jamie:Right, think about that, he was the assistant coach, right? And they would not let him head coach our game.
Scott:He got penalized because of the number of penalties in the game. Correct. It's not even like he was like, he wasn't the one that did anything, like the players were in the box. Like it's not like he got like a bench minor or like, you know, thrown out of the game or whatever. The
Jamie:head coach got thrown out. Okay? Right. So the head coach got tossed, call it in the third period, right? And Tyler finished the game as the head coach and then they would not let him coach our game right after it.
Scott:Yeah. It's pretty crazy.
Jamie:So they're penalizing they're penalizing a bunch of 12 year olds, something that happened in the u eighteen game. So we had nothing to do with it. How fucked up is that? Nice job USA hockey. Well, listen I saw the stupidest drop sides.
Scott:And automatic icing on
Jamie:And automatic icing, you fucking idiots.
Scott:Jeez. Well, I I mean, that that's that just seems like a really unfortunate coincidence that one, there was a USA hockey guy there. Two, the coach was coaching two different teams. Three, that one game that the USA hockey guy was at happened to be one that got out of hand. I mean, lot of like, that was a that that's a I can't imagine that type of thing
Jamie:happened was a very rare I I don't I think you're I think you're right about that. I think it was it was a very rare occasion. I don't think you're gonna see that ever again, right? But that happened to But how fucked up is Do you get so the it happened in a u 18. You would think that they would not, they would have had to sit for the next UAT game, not our game of 12 year olds.
Scott:Right, because the consequences of not being able to be on the bench was the result of like a team effort. It's not like this guy went like buck wild on the other coach or a ref or whatever. And like he himself was like out of line. It's like the team he was on the bench with was out of And then the team that he had to coach next got penalized.
Jamie:Correct, a bunch of 12 year olds. So like I said, nice job USA hockey.
Scott:Yeah, well, listen, maybe the guy got it wrong. Maybe the guy, maybe the USA hockey guy, maybe, I mean, I certainly don't know those rules, but maybe he just got it wrong or maybe he just wanted to
Jamie:Maybe.
Scott:He just want to flex.
Jamie:Well, like I said, I'm really not sure what USA hockey does. Like I started this conversation. You could tell me what USA hockey does, because I have to tell you, again, like that one player who's been thrown at in more tournaments than I could shake a stick at. Why is this kid still playing hockey? I mean, I mean, so tell me USA hockey, what do you do other than make shitty offside rules and shitty icing rules?
Jamie:So tell me, what exactly do you do? This could also be part of our rant. What the fuck do you do?
Scott:Hey, listen. Let me Besides
Jamie:take our money in dues every year.
Scott:Listen, you don't even pick up fight with USA hockey.
Jamie:No. I'm not. But I'm saying, what do you do besides take money from us in dues every year? Tell me what you do because I don't know. Well,
Scott:no, I think you do know that first of all, they take your money, number one. Number two, that they enforce the rules when they're present. But let me see. All right, so listen, just Are you looking at Yeah, a 100%. So I'm chat GPTing Okay, I said, what does USA hockey do on the youth hockey level?
Scott:And so here are the things, says USA hockey plays a major role in supporting, governing and growing the sport at the youth level. Here's a comprehensive overview. Thank you, Jai GBT. Here we go. Number one, I'm not gonna read all the details, but I'll read you the main headlines.
Scott:One, youth programming and development, including come play youth hockey, learn to skate, learn to play. We've got age based structures. So they clearly make the framework, like MITEs, U10, U12, whatever, blah, blah. American development model. So that's what they use to teach their coaches.
Scott:They have player coach and official pathways between certifications, clinics and structured governance, safety and So I think this is where you're pointing a little bit of a fail, but implements evidence based training such as the Heads Up Don't Duck Neck Injury Prevention Program developed with the Mayo Clinic is an example here from ChatGPT, competitive and showcase events. So the Chipotle USA Hockey National Championships, elite tournaments, junior hockey, overseas at USHL, NAHL and NA3HL. And they also have an inclusivity and participation growth platform, which I suppose here USA supports diverse and underserved communities via free gear programs across sector partnerships targeted at youth academy. Okay. Give
Jamie:me credit for that.
Scott:So in short, have instruction and accessibility, skill building and safety, competitive progression and inclusivity. That's what USA hockey does according to ChatGPT at the youth hockey level. So listen, is what I Oh, give me a Listen, I think that there's, it's almost, yeah, I don't know what to say. Well, let me ask you, let's back up. What would you want them to do?
Scott:Like, tell me a void where you would want to see USA hockey, like be like a partner participant, like with an organization. Let's let's just say they don't have the resources to have like a team, you know, someone who's going to necessarily interact with your team specifically, but you know annually that there is some level of USA hockey involvement at the rink that your kid plays at. Like, what would you hope would come from that? I mean, or unless I'm kind of just still I'm like setting this up in a way that is not like in aligned with like your thinking about this.
Jamie:No. No. Listen, I think the fact that they make the age, you know, that they age kind of like, you know, tier it in ages, which is great. I think that keeps, you know, the kids safe. Right?
Jamie:So I think that's good. I think the fact that they made them wear neck guards is good. The fact that they're doing it in underserved communities, I think is great. Right? I just don't know when you hear about USA hockey rules, I'm not so sure that they have teeth attached to them.
Jamie:Do you know what I mean? Like
Scott:In terms
Jamie:you know, when when when Enforcement? Correct. When you see when you see kids get suspended, I would say 99% of the time, maybe I'm wrong, somebody write us on Instagram and tell us who I am. But I would say most of the time, if there's an enforcement that's gonna be levied, it's coming from an organization, not from USA hockey. I think it has to be egregious, you know, for USA hockey to probably get involved.
Jamie:But when a kid gets thrown out of 15 tournaments, that in my mind is pretty egregious. I mean, there's a problem there. I mean, that kids out to
Scott:hurt people.
Jamie:I mean, that's an issue there.
Scott:So that's an interesting distinction, In terms of like bad behavior, because there's like that, those like egregious moments where like you have someone hit another kid in the head with a stick, like that just is like bad. Then you could also have someone who's just like a regular, like agitator, instigator, like provocateur that like Like Brad Marshandy ish type player. Just someone that gives a ref a reason to like kick him out of a tournament, but it's not just one, like it happens either multiple times. A year. Like, I wonder like how these infractions, like once, I wonder if you end up on a list, I wonder like, you know, if someone does get reported, like how that kind of, how that plays out because you're right, I think anyone that has a track record of getting kicked out of tournaments, like I would think someone should take a look at a little bit more holistically not just like on like a case by case basis and be like, Hey, listen, this is we got an issue here.
Jamie:Yeah, and I know that it was brought to USA hockey multiple times by multiple different people from multiple different organizations about this kid. So again
Scott:Okay, so let's do this.
Jamie:Where does somebody actually get involved? I don't know.
Scott:Right, so I think what we're really kind of like the question is like, it's frustrating that you, your team have been a part of like situations that did not work out in your favor. And I get that a 100% you've like, I get why you'd be pissed, but I think part understanding this is honestly to, well, let's look into it. Let's look into it. We can recap next episode. See what we might learn between now and then on how some of these situations do actually play out and kind of understand because there's probably other parents that have been in similar situations where they would were probably expecting and again, I'm making this up, but USA hockey to levy consequences on the situation and maybe that didn't happen or it wasn't significant enough in their mind, or they thought that something got punted and not dealt with.
Scott:Like I'm sure there's instances where USA hockey, yeah, I'm sure there's instances where they got it right. Again, I'm not trying to make excuses, all I'm saying is that we probably could stand to learn a few things about process before we Yeah, I would love to.
Jamie:I'm curious myself. Know? Yeah. Maybe we'll have a USA hockey rep on one of these days. I actually I actually know one from our district.
Jamie:Yeah. I've spoke to him before, you know?
Scott:Oh, that's right.
Jamie:Good dude, actually. Yeah, I have spoke to him. So we can actually do that, you know? We'll work on that
Scott:towards the end
Jamie:of the summer, maybe like early in the season. We'll get him on and do an interview with him. Alright? So do do you wanna roll I don't know how long we've been going for. I've not been timing it.
Jamie:Do you wanna roll into a little bit of team USA? And then we can end it with team USA stuff.
Scott:Yeah, that sounds good. We're probably about at around the hour mark at this point. So yeah, USA,
Jamie:we can we can
Scott:take a look.
Jamie:Sure. Finish with a team USA segment. Wanna do that?
Scott:USA hockey.
Jamie:USA hockey. 100%.
Scott:Let's go.
Jamie:Yeah. They they so they announced, I think, that the the first six players from every team that's gonna be in the Winter Olympics. Right?
Scott:Yep.
Jamie:Yep. So are you surprised? Do you know who they are by any chance? Off the top
Scott:of head,
Jamie:without Googling it. Yes. So let's play the game.
Scott:The Kochuck brothers and Matthews, there's half.
Jamie:Kochuck brothers, Matthews, that is correct.
Scott:Then Who are the other three?
Jamie:Who are the other main three would you say?
Scott:The other main three? It's gotta be And they're pretty obvious too. Oh, man. Yeah. Hallebok.
Scott:No
Jamie:goalies. Don't don't don't they did not announce goalies.
Scott:Got you.
Jamie:Or else Hellebuck and Ondre are like Hellebuck, Ondre and Swayman are easy. Yeah. But it's not no goalies.
Scott:Charlie McAvoy?
Jamie:Yep. One.
Scott:Zach Werenski?
Jamie:Nope. Although he's obviously going to be on the team, but he is not one of the six.
Scott:So I got four of six right now?
Jamie:You got four of six. Yeah. You need two more. You need an offensive player and a defensive player. You're forgetting, like, one major one.
Jamie:Like, I'm shocked that you're forgetting this one. I mean, I know why you're forgetting him, but you're forgetting you're forgetting a major US defenseman. Oh, guys, what are you gonna say? You were gonna say the offensive player.
Scott:Go ahead. Slater? No.
Jamie:That's a good one. Good one, but no. Like, major. Like, probably the second best defenseman in the league other than Kal McCarr.
Scott:I don't know what's wrong with me right now.
Jamie:You want me to tell you?
Scott:I'm totally blanking.
Jamie:Were gonna say somebody you were gonna somebody before I interrupted you, who were you gonna say?
Scott:I was, but the person that I was gonna say does not, it doesn't make sense, but he's a star, but he doesn't make sense. Was gonna say, oh, Quinn Hughes.
Jamie:Hughes is the person that Yeah, of course. Quinn Hughes is correct. And then you have one more offender player.
Scott:And it's not his brother.
Jamie:It is not his brother, His brother disappeared in four nations. Thank you very much.
Scott:100%.
Jamie:And as a devil stand up pains me to say.
Scott:Yeah. It's true. One offensive player. One more offensive player. Let's boring people.
Scott:I'm clearly super sharp right now.
Jamie:Who? Jack Eichel.
Scott:Oh, duh.
Jamie:Yeah. I feel yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there there there's your there's your six.
Jamie:I'm I am actually very curious to see the rest of the roster when they come out with it. It's gonna be talk about fireworks. USA, Canada is gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome.
Scott:Okay, so hear about this. Six, let's see. Alright, so here, now you get to tell me who are the Canadian
Jamie:for That's easy. You have, McKinnon.
Scott:Yeah. Makar. Yeah. McDavid. Yeah.
Jamie:Crosby.
Scott:Yeah. The the next two are gonna be harder, I think.
Jamie:McKinn, McCar, McDavid, Crosby.
Scott:One just won the
Jamie:Stanley Cup. Defense? Just point
Scott:me one
Jamie:just one just won the Stanley Cup. Hold on. Defenseman?
Scott:No.
Jamie:One just won the Stanley Cup. Why am I drawing a blank on this? Oh, Bennett. Nope. Right, Bennett?
Jamie:Really? Why am I drawing a blank on this?
Scott:Neither are defensemen.
Jamie:Oh my god. Why am I oh oh, well, not Brad Marshand. He he wouldn't be in the top six.
Scott:Nope.
Jamie:He he's on the team, but he's not in the top six.
Scott:I'll tell you.
Jamie:Good. Sam Reinhart? Oh, shit. That's what I was thinking of. He need to pass to McDavid
Scott:Yeah. And Braden Point.
Jamie:I was not gonna say Braden Point. I wouldn't have said Braden No.
Scott:I wouldn't I wouldn't have guessed either one of them myself for sure.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah. I mean, those are a nasty six, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be I got talking about fireworks, it's gonna be awesome. USA, Canada.
Jamie:We're coming for you, Canada. We're coming for you and you guys know we're Great.
Scott:Yeah, it's really, it's gonna be great. It's the first time since 2014.
Jamie:We're coming for you.
Scott:Right if I'm not mistaken.
Jamie:What? That The USA that pros can play in the Olympics?
Scott:Yes. Correct.
Jamie:It's gonna be awesome, dude. Yeah. It's gonna be phenomenal.
Scott:No doubt. I
Jamie:cannot wait. The four nations was just a tune up.
Scott:Wow, that what a tune up that was.
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. And then I wonder when the, well, what, I don't know, it's not that it's important right now, but we'll see. Do you know when they're gonna release the remaining roster?
Jamie:I don't. Maybe you can Google it. I'm not sure. I know there's people out there that are putting together like a possible rosters, that type of stuff. I don't know when the date is for them to finalize it.
Jamie:You know, they're talking about, like, Tage Thompson making it now. They're talking about, like, Cole Caulfield. Obviously, Worenski is gonna be there. Jake Genssel's gonna be there. Right?
Jamie:Helibuck and Ottinger are gonna be there as your goaltenders. You know, it's gonna be interesting. I'm I'm I'm looking forward to it. You know, I I don't know
Scott:when the roster is this year. It's just as later this year right So
Jamie:when it comes out.
Scott:Yes, we'll find out.
Jamie:Yeah. When it comes out, we will talk about it.
Scott:Here's a question for you. Is Bedard even in the conversation?
Jamie:I don't think so. No. I don't think so. I mean, Canada has so many ridiculously good offensive players. I mean, guys like Marshand are gonna be there.
Jamie:I mean, where where where would he play? Is he gonna you're play him on the fourth line? Right?
Scott:Maybe.
Jamie:Maybe? Maybe?
Scott:I don't know. Yeah, I think that's a hard argument to make at this point. So we'll see. It'll be interesting to see if like the likes of like Seth Jones will be a part of the conversation, probably will be.
Jamie:I would think so. Right?
Scott:Wonder if Jack Hughes, owner of Jack Hughes is gonna ultimately make this squad?
Jamie:I think he will. I I think he probably has to. Can't imagine them. The US isn't like, you know, bursting at the seams with offensive players. You know what I mean?
Jamie:So, you know, I I think you have to put Jack Hughes even though he didn't perform. I think you have to put him there. Listen, like, the the fourth line of of the four nations was like Crider and, you know, guys that were like, you know, like, I'm not so sure they belonged there. But again, you know, our first two ish lines are really good, then it starts getting a little questionable. Whereas Canada, I don't think has depth issues.
Jamie:It's like Edmonton and the Florida Panthers. You know, The United States, I think, has some depth issues. Whereas, you know, you're gonna see a lot of young kids like the Cutter Gauthier's of the world, the Taej Thompson's of the world.
Scott:Oh,
Jamie:nice. You're gonna see nice. Correct. You're gonna see nice, you know, not you know, so you're gonna see guys like that, you know, the Cole Caulfields of the world, are they gonna make that team now? Because Cole Caulfield was gonna be a fourth liner last time.
Jamie:They left them off for more like lunch paley type guys because Cole Caulfield's not really like a fourth line type grinder. Right?
Scott:So here But a guy Here I got you from June, June 23, nhl.com. Here is the team USA roster listed alphabetically by position. This is what they expect, whoever this writer is. This is Tom Goletti.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:Okay, so forwards, Matt Boldy, Cole Caulfield, Kyle Connor, Jack Eichel, Jake Genssel, Jack Hughes, Clayton Keller, Dylan Larkin, Austin Matthews, TJ Miller, Jason Robertson, Brady Kuchak, Matt Kuchak, and Tage Thompson. That's the expected 14 forwards. Defense, Brock Faber, Quinn Hughes, Seth Jones, Charlie McEvoy, Brett Pesci, Jake Sanderson, Jacob Slavin, Zach Orensky, goalies, Hellebuck, Ondre, Swayman.
Jamie:Swayman, yeah.
Scott:I mean listen, it's nasty, right?
Jamie:So you don't have, like, the Chris Criders of the world are gone, those guys are gone.
Scott:Yep. It's gonna be who who's
Jamie:the coach? Or Bill Garen's the GM of that or something like that, right?
Scott:Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's the GM. I don't know who's the coach. Let
Jamie:me just
Scott:So here's Team Canada projected forwards, Sam Bennett, Anthony Sorelly, Sidney Crosby, Brandon Hagel, Nate McKinnon, Brad Marchand, Mitch Marner, Connor McDavid, Braden Point, Sam Reinhart, Mark Shifley, Mark Stone, Nick Suzuki, and Robert Thomas.
Jamie:Jesus. Defenseman Connor Bedard. Evan
Scott:no Bedard. Defenseman Evan Bouchard, Drew Doughty Bouchard. Yep. Thomas Thomas Harley, Kell McCarr, Josh Morrissey, Colton Peranco, Shay Theodore, Devin Taves.
Jamie:Mike Sullivan was the head coach for team USA Fort Nations, by the way.
Scott:What?
Jamie:Mike Sullivan was the guy who used to head coach the Penguins, who's now the head coach of the Rangers, is the is the team USA. Well, yeah, for the he was a four nations and will be for the Winter Olympics.
Scott:Alright.
Jamie:So there you go.
Scott:Mike Sullivan's legit. Listen. So I'm sure there's gonna be We're
Jamie:coming for you, our brethren up in Canada. We're coming for you.
Scott:Well, listen, this is this is not final, but more more to I always say four nations. I don't know. All right. I'm going to stop boring with my reading, but listen, it's going to be awesome. On the heels of the four nations that did an excellent job to set the stage for, it's going be amazing.
Scott:So looking forward to it. Yes, I
Jamie:love you.
Scott:I'm looking forward to
Jamie:big time.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah, no, I think, listen, I think this is a great episode. Happy fourth of July to everybody really and truly enjoy friends, family, barbecues, fireworks and yeah, enjoy.
Jamie:Yeah, it's awesome. Yes, thank you everybody for putting up with us while we're doing this on the road. I will be home for our next episode, so we'll be back in our little studio. So thank you for putting up with us, we really appreciate it. Share the show, download, go use our Howie's Hockey Crazy 10 for a 10% discount.
Jamie:Thank you so much. We love you all. Really appreciate the support. So thank you again, and we will catch you guys on the next episode.
Scott:Yes, sir. You got hold on just one last thing before we go. Wanted to say this before, but before I forget, I just did hold on. No. No.
Scott:I'm not this is no bullshit. This is from yesterday. I got an email from USA hockey and it says, share your USA hockey experience with us. USA hockey wants to provide the best member experience possible. We would like to learn about more about your child's experience during the twenty four, twenty five hockey season, blah, blah, blah, blah, So maybe you should check your inbox because you cannot take the survey, dude.
Jamie:You're right. I'm sure I deleted it already.
Scott:You're crazy. You are crazy. How you doing?
Jamie:Alright. Alright, everyone. Thanks so much. Yeah. That's right.
Jamie:Likewise. Yes.
Scott:Alright. Take it
Jamie:Happy do it. We'll see
Scott:you later.
Jamie:Take it easy, guys.