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Diagnosed with Complex Trauma and a Dissociative Disorder, Emma and her system share what they learn along the way about complex trauma, dissociation (CPTSD, OSDD, DID, Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality), etc.), and mental health. Educational, supportive, inclusive, and inspiring, System Speak documents her healing journey through the best and worst of life in recovery through insights, conversations, and collaborations.
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Speaker 2:Welcome to the System Speak Podcast, a podcast about Dissociative Identity Disorder. If you are new to the podcast, we recommend starting at the beginning episodes and listen in order to hear our story and what we have learned through this endeavor. Current episodes may be more applicable to longtime listeners and are likely to contain more advanced topics, emotional or other triggering content, and or reference earlier episodes that provide more context to what we are currently learning and experiencing. As always, please care for yourself during and after listening to the podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Tonight's interview is with Neil Brick, who is himself a survivor of abuse, including ritual abuse. He is a well known member in our community, working hard to provide many resources and information about ritual abuse specifically. While this episode does not at all go into detail about ritual abuse examples or any specific disclosures, it is obviously a triggering topic and we caution you as you listen. In addition, I have to say something about the sound. There was a storm going on outside while we were recording.
Speaker 2:This resulted in at times you can hear some rain and even hail on the windows as well as some disturbance in our connection. That's really unfortunate, but it was more important to share the information that we had and to move forward with the interview. So again, please take care and pay attention to your system and listen with support or follow-up with support as needed as you listen to this episode. I would also ask you kindly to please remember that he is a survivor and to give him the same respect and compassion that you offer Emma as he shows courage to speak with us here in his own style and his own way that feels safe to him. At the end of the podcast, he shares about an upcoming conference that is specifically for ritual abuse survivors.
Speaker 2:We can help get you free registration for the conference if it's something you're interested in and you're able to get there. And he gives more information about the conference at the end of the episode, and we'll post it online as well. Welcome, Neil Brick.
Speaker 1:My name is Neil Brick. I am the editor of SMART Newsletters. I also am the conference coordinator for the SMART Child and Racial Abuse and Mind Control Conferences in Connecticut every summer. The newsletter has been going since 1995. The conference has been going since 1998.
Speaker 1:Primarily, we work on education, providing, people and survivors information about dissociation, trauma, ritual abuse, and related topics.
Speaker 2:How did you get involved in this?
Speaker 1:I'm a survivor of child and ritual abuse. I'm also recovering from dissociative identity disorder as well. So that's kind of what I got how I got started. Ever I was just starting to realize there weren't a lot of resources out there. So I started to make resources that I would enjoy reading and using.
Speaker 1:And over the years, I've developed into a very large resource base research base. Basically, I have over a I think 140, one hundred and 50 newsletters, a very large website with resources on dissociative disorders, child abuse, ritual abuse, mind control, a wide variety of related topics. A lot of information that's not available anywhere else on the internet or in the world is on my website.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. There's so many resources there.
Speaker 1:And as far as your research with the associative identity disorder, we have a very large page, and we link to a variety of large pages. I've sent you some of the links. If wanna post them, feel free to do so.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah. About the so that identity disorder, I was not I iatrogenic, how that pseudoscience to say that it's iatrogenic. That is definitely trauma based. Studies showing showing different the veracity of the abuse that people suffer that has caused the dissociative identity disorder in many cases. And then we try to provide, you know, informational resources for people.
Speaker 2:So did you start the conference and the newsletters, or you're running the website now?
Speaker 1:I started all of the resources. Ritualabuse.us, I started that. That was originally an AOL website starting in 1996. AOL eventually took down their website, so we moved everything over to our own private server or private website on a server, I should say. I also have neilbrick.com, which is more specializes on issues I work on, presentations I've made in conferences, and so on.
Speaker 1:I've also worked with other organizations as well. I work with I'm I'm on the board of survivorship dot org, and I've it's time presented at other conferences also in various parts of the country.
Speaker 2:So how would you tell someone who's just now new to the diagnosis and learning about DID? How would you explain to them what DID is?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I think the classic definition from the DSM, you know, I basically, it's it's separate identities that and often loss of time. I mean, that's basically what what happens. You you have different people kind of or personality internally.
Speaker 2:And how would you explain to someone who is just learning about it what ritual abuse is?
Speaker 1:Well, ritual abuse has a variety of definitions. Basically, ritual abuse is severe child abuse performed in a ritualistic manner. Normally, what we talk about is not so much individuals perpetrating ritual abuse on a on a single child. We're more involved with the groups who who pro that, perpetrate ritualistic crimes on children. A wide variety of groups can do this.
Speaker 1:Cults can do this on different religions.
Speaker 2:How would someone know or recognize that that was an issue for them?
Speaker 1:That's a really good question. It would be based on their trauma history. If they have trauma memories that they have specific to those types of occurrences, say they they grew up in a church or possibly satanic group or some of the cults that are out there. And children were abused in ceremonies and then sometimes manipulated. Sometimes ritual abuse then there's the branch over to ritual abuse and mind controlling dissociative identity disorder using severe ritual trauma to create different identities in children at young ages.
Speaker 2:So not only so not just identities who are there in response to the trauma itself, but actually created by the trauma intentionally?
Speaker 1:Yes. There there's there's a lot of literature. We cite a lot of literature. Doctor. Noblett, doctor Miller, and so on on our website discussing this.
Speaker 1:The government themselves, there are there are discussions. Are a couple of excellent books out there. One is by Carol Rutz. Another is by Cheryl Hersha and her sister, Lynn Hersha, Dale Griffith. Several books that that they've done they did an incredible amount of research plus their own verifying their own stories, showing how this has been done.
Speaker 1:Oftentimes, the government kind of the has been part of that years ago, at least. Some people believe now as well. Kind of that whole MK Ultra thing that was going on.
Speaker 2:How does someone find out more information or find a therapist who can help with help with that when it's such a specific thing?
Speaker 1:That's a difficulty. As you could probably imagine, that kind of work is is not liked by cults that may benefit from having children be whether it be the the sex slaves or couriers or whatever for them because they make a lot of money off those people. So there's the backlash with the false memory syndrome very greatly, not only did it attack survivors, child abuse survivors, the whole field of dissociative identity disorder and dis and dissociation, it also attacked the field of ritual abuse and mind control to try to silence people, push them underground, sue them, and so on. And then harassment's going on today at this point still, trying to silence people. A lot of there are lot of courageous people out there continuing to do the work and continuing to get the research out.
Speaker 1:But what that what that what that causes is that less people are doing the work. And then if they are doing the work, they're more careful about about letting others know about it. I would say if somebody believes there's a survivor of severe abuse, they should find a and have a good trauma therapist. There are plenty of those out there. There are plenty of people working with PTSD and dissociative disorders, and that would be the place to start.
Speaker 1:Anyone doing that work that's good is going to be willing to find out more about about specialties.
Speaker 2:What would you like to share? What are you able to share about your own journey? Not about trauma specific things, but how you got from being a survivor and enduring all that you all did to having this website.
Speaker 1:Well, it took time to work through everything I've gone through. Lot of honesty. Lot of being willing to to feel pain, to not cover pain up. In our culture, we have many ways of covering pain. There are many addictions.
Speaker 1:Addictions are illegal. They're often promoted by the culture, various means. And this isn't the addictions cover up a wide variety of things, not just association, trauma, or or kind of ritual, these types of things. But the society is extremely addictive and unhealthy. So not being addicted would be a huge piece.
Speaker 1:I worked through addictions. Alcohol was one. And I started to do the kind of predated before they were calling it mindfulness in the psychiatric field, I was doing meditation, doing relaxation exercises, sitting for feelings. A lot of early work that's now, you know, kind of made it's it's become an important part of the therapeutic field, and for good reason, the mindfulness meditation. So the path for me was not running from things, facing things, and sitting with myself to find out what really had happened inside me and in my life.
Speaker 2:Why is that so difficult for us as survivors to sit with the pain or to to let go of those behaviors that are helping us avoid it and to face what we have gone through?
Speaker 1:That's a really good question. I think it's a different answer for everybody. There may be some generalities. As human beings, we avoid pain because pain can be detrimental. But at the same time, the avoidance of pain can be problematic.
Speaker 1:I think as a child, as children, the association with, as we know, coping mechanism. The child was trapped. The child couldn't go have a drink or run away. The child was trapped in the trauma situation. The only way they could get out is to leave.
Speaker 1:The same was to leave, to associate and to bury the memory or at least with the feelings from the memory.
Speaker 2:How would you for someone who is new and just learning sort of the vocabulary of things, how would you explain the difference between, like, organizational abuse or spiritual abuse or RA or SRA or MK Ultra, some of those terms that relate to some of this stuff. But I know it's super triggering, so I know we're kind of dancing around some things. But how would you define some of those terms in a general way?
Speaker 1:Well, I've defined ritual abuse already, and there are plenty of good definitions for ritual abuse. I gave you the the web link to the child abuse wiki website that people worked on, and there are some excellent definitions of ritual abuse there. There's also a really good page on dissociative identity disorder. It hasn't been updated to the DSM five, but it's an excellent page with a great deal of research. So those those are places I would point to for really, really good ritual abuse definitions.
Speaker 1:Mind control would be more there's there's a wide level of mind control. Some people would say that the propaganda isn't necessarily mind control, but I think that's a not a good definition. I think mind control is anytime a person is, kind of manipulated without their full knowledge. It could go from, you know, commercials. I mean, the whole point of commercial is to get something in into your mind so you don't forget it so that you will go later and purchase it.
Speaker 1:They're not saying that. And, two, obviously, that's a more, you know, benign form of mind control to, you know, more severe form, the the control of the media. I mean, it's will you control? The media only tells us what the corporations will want us to know for the most part. I mean, there's plenty of news out there.
Speaker 1:So the question would be why are we hearing the news? We're hearing having critical critical abilities. Up to the severe forms of mind control where people are tortured, whether it be sex slaves to make money for a cult or whether to kill for a cult or to kill for a government or you know, those are obviously the most probably the most serious forms of mind control and and it's taking children and splitting them at early ages so that they have parts to do this. And that they're both parts are totally unaware of that of of of of the the daytime parts are totally unaware of the nighttime parts for many years until the ambitious barriers break.
Speaker 2:So would all of that you described ritual abuse earlier. Would all of that fall under ritual abuse as an umbrella term, or those are separate kinds of different things?
Speaker 1:I think it depends on how how one divides up the term. One could say that forms of government mind control are are ritualistic. Other would say that, no, that's more that would be more it's a severe form of abuse meant to not meant so much as a ritual, a religious ritual, but more to manipulate people to do things for government, for example. Another good form of mind control that's been written about is just the mill the process in the military. They're trying to break the person and create a new person, one who just follows orders, I've written.
Speaker 1:A lot has been written about the marines, for instance. So there's a I would not call ritual abuse per se, but that's definitely from a mind control, severe from a mind control breaking the person. They're screaming at the person, putting them under severe physical duress to create a new person, a soldier that just killed them from there. Something the person would not do in the regular culture, at least most people would not do.
Speaker 2:So everything on the continuum from being culturally acceptable, whether it's pleasant or not, like the marine soldiers to what is really abusive with children.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The whole spectrum. Does something like what about child trafficking? Does that fall on that spectrum somewhere?
Speaker 1:It may. I mean, some children may be sex slaves that are trained at an early age to perform certain roles. And if they don't perform those roles, you know, they'll be killed or tortured. So, I mean, they may be created as officers, dissociative dissociative officers. I don't think that's always the case.
Speaker 1:However, it's definitely a form of abuse. One thing I didn't bring up was and this is something that most people do not understand. This is a if not a suggestion, subliminal suggestion. And that's a large part of what we're talking about here, how how certain parts can be triggered to come out. An example would be people go to a a class to stop smoking.
Speaker 1:They leave that class not remembering what happened, but they don't smoke again, at least for for months. That that may that may have to be renewed. That's a form of, subliminal suggestion. Another thing is triggers. A hip hypnotist know the triggers.
Speaker 1:They could be on stage with somebody and they say, when I wave my hand, you're gonna jump up and down. And in the in the hypnotic trance. And when a person comes out of the hypnotic trance, and this is well documented and well proven, then the person will will be standing there. They have to just wave the hand and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the person will jump up and down not knowing why. Won't remember a thing.
Speaker 1:So this is another part of mind control that's missed. And I think it's very important that people realize it it's used by, you know, commercials as well. I mean, brand the whole point of branding is, you know. I mean, it's more obvious. It's less subliminal, obviously, for those who are more astute and more aware.
Speaker 1:Like, the McDonald's sign means go get food. I'm hungry. And that sign is paired with with the food, the commercial, and whatever they're trying to sell that day. Obviously, it's less subliminal, it most people don't realize what's going on, how they're being controlled. And that's a large part of racial abuse without a doubt.
Speaker 2:So all of it's on that continuum as well?
Speaker 1:You mean continuum from mild dissociation or mild mild trauma to severe?
Speaker 2:Sort of. Like, there's all those parallels. There's the mild dissociation that sort of is a natural process everybody does. Like, the example everyone always gives is highway hypnosis all the way, which which is a good example for normalizing, but it doesn't include the trauma, which is what dissociation is, a defense against. But I understand why they include that on the continuum.
Speaker 2:And then the extreme to, like, DID. And then the trauma on a continuum from sort of severe or one or two times to ongoing persistent, chronic, significant, severe, whatever. And then it sounds like these things are sort of on a continuum as well where some things are normalized and sort of accept so much in our culture. We're almost not even aware of it to really, really dangerous.
Speaker 1:I think most people aren't aware of most of it. Highway hypnosis, obviously, it's not trauma, but it highway hypnosis shows us that you don't even need trauma to go into those dissociative trans. You don't even really need trauma to to to, to produce an hypnotic suggestion. I mean, an example is the movie theaters used to put a popcorn in the a quick flash pop of a popcorn container during their commercials before the movie, and they saw sales increase in popcorn. People didn't even notice these little quick flashes.
Speaker 1:It was maybe illegal. Doing maybe illegal for nothing. So now they're just showing pictures of food dancing around whatever and get people to go buy food. But it showed the power of hypnotic suggestion subliminal subliminal processes that we're so unaware of. Freud would have called it the id, you know.
Speaker 1:Though the id was more for him, obviously, but it was definitely what's underneath what we don't understand, how it how it controls us and so on.
Speaker 2:How does someone become more mindful of those things and more conscious or intention intentional so that they're not responding so automatically?
Speaker 1:That's another excellent question. I think the most important thing is just be aware. Acknowledge is the first step. It's like, say a person is a drug addict or an alcoholic or they have a different addiction, realizing that's going on. Now, as human beings, this culture, the predominant culture pushes on this is nonsense, you know, subliminal suggestion how you have freedom of mind and so on.
Speaker 1:We're not doing anything to you. Of course, the the truth is the opposite. But that's the power brokers have a vested interest in making sure people are fooled at a wide variety of levels, whether they, you know, believe in capitalism or religion or the Democratic Republican Party as as something they're not, not to get into that too much. So the power structure has a vested, interest in controlling the culture. This goes way back to a lot of Edward Bernays, b e r n a y s, who work called propaganda in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1:I don't wanna get into that, but it comes in Cape and Reed. He felt it was a good thing to control population. I disagree, however, that he talks about, how it's done, and that's how it has been done. So getting out of it, you just just building awareness. Propaganda one zero one, looking at commercials, looking at subliminal types of things, not having that close mindedness to it, saying, oh, no one's controlling belief.
Speaker 1:You know, of course, we're all we're all open to subliminal suggestions. We're all open to the proper DNA techniques. We're human beings. So, I mean, that goes to the deeper question of the the denial in the culture. Why the denial in the culture culture is promoted?
Speaker 1:You control people through variety of means, you know, fear. It's it's easy to control them through a subliminal. What mean they fear though, you know. The Nazis are a good example of of propaganda. So the but they took what they came here and learned from us.
Speaker 1:People have to remember, eugenics have learned from us. Of course, they took it quite a bit further, obviously. And then we took took a lot of those guys back in and we learned from them again. Kind of a circle. But definitely, the Nazis are a real good example of how to control a populace through fear, through, they had a lot of movies.
Speaker 1:They they controlled the media. They outlawed all the other parties, and the horrific things they got away with. And they looked at the people who committed these crimes, and most of the people who committed the crimes sadly are average, what they call average people. They weren't sociopaths or psychopaths, so some were. But the majority were believing they were doing what was best for the Third Reich in Germany, which is, of course, not true to this.
Speaker 1:But what happened was horrific. But they were so so you know, it it was a quote unquote advanced culture, very well educated culture. We're not talking about a culture where you went in with people can't read and write, to the contrary. And not everyone bought in, of course. There was some resistance.
Speaker 1:It was crushed regularly, but there was some resistance. But for the most part, equally, they bought in and kept quiet and participated fully, and what went on for twelve years. So if people think that that there's no such thing as property under mind control and so on, That's a very good example to look at right there. It's an easy one to look at because it's someone else, not yourself. And and to get to go into another part of this, it's building insight into oneself.
Speaker 1:Obviously, you you're familiar with the mental health field. So if people are able to look inside themselves at some things they don't wanna look at, That's that's a huge part of this. It's easy for me to look at someone and say, oh, yeah. They're depressed or, oh, yeah. They need to stop eating so much or whatever.
Speaker 1:But it's hard for them to do that. So it's up to me and each individual to start looking at themselves.
Speaker 2:How do you tell as an individual if there is this broad spectrum that's sort of a global kind of thing? Like, you gave the example of different government things or the military or or Nazi Germany. But then this microcosm with families or small groups or organizational groups or different things in different ways, How does someone tell the difference between what is a legitimate concern and what is a false conspiracy theory that is even a distraction or is not real when there are other dangers that are real? How does someone tell the difference?
Speaker 1:Well, it's a good question. Be open minded to to all the different sides. Look at who's promoting what. I mean, you've got now you've got everybody it's the the conspiracy theory and fake media, whatever it's called. It's been so misused at this point.
Speaker 1:It's almost worthless. You've got everybody saying the other side is fake meaning. The other side is promoting conspiracy theory. I mean, Trump Trump is the master at propaganda. It's kind of falling apart now because it everything's falling apart in general, but he's the master saying, oh, that's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1:I didn't do this. I didn't do that. When he'll even deny he said something when he just said it. I mean so look looking at the person, you know, who who who is saying what what they're saying, what is their interest? Not just going with, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:They're crazy. You know, saying, well, are they crazy? You know, maybe is is is there evidence? Where is that evidence? And do they have if it's the religious group denying they did anything, well, obviously, there's two things going on.
Speaker 1:One is if they're doing something, of course, they're deny it probably. But two the two is maybe they didn't do it and, you know, they're trying to defend themselves, but they could have very well done it if there's a lot of evidence. So looking critically at all the data, looking at the players, how they play, are the people who bring up the issues, are they trying to silence others, Or are they looking for real answers in a real discussion?
Speaker 2:And then if you've got so many resources on your website for those who are wanting help or to understand more, I can post those in the blog and and let people reference that. But tell us about the conference that's coming up. You have one coming up or it's just happened?
Speaker 1:It's coming up. It's coming up two weeks from this weekend. Think you're in New England area, I don't know if this won't air in time, but if people are in the New England area or even in the Northeast on the August, the prices are very reasonable. If you're a survivor of severe abuse or trauma, we're always willing to help people registration fee wise. If you're a helper of those people, we're also willing to help.
Speaker 1:It's August 17, August eighteenth in Connecticut. If you go to the ritualabuse, that's one word, dot US website, click on the conference tab. The conference information is right there. Information on who to write. I'll give you my email address.
Speaker 1:It's smart news. Pretty easy. Smartnews@a0l.com. And that's also at the website. And that's good for people to write write about any questions you may have about anything I say.
Speaker 1:I I will I I monitor the email address there. That's I'm I'm I'm part of that. So
Speaker 2:Okay. And you still have scholarships for people who are able to get themselves there?
Speaker 1:Yeah. We have scholar well, we don't we can't, like, pay for travel and hotel and all, but we can we can waive registration fees and so on if need be. I mean, the main thing is to make sure people get the information they need at the conference.
Speaker 2:That's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, there are very few conferences like this in the world at this point, unfortunately. This this survivorship once runs one in the Los Angeles area every spring. This one runs every summer. Occasionally, there's one in Europe, one in Scotland or England.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much it. If we hear about others, we let people know about them.
Speaker 2:And who do you have speaking this year?
Speaker 1:I'll be speaking, as doctor Allison Miller, will be speaking at the conference, presenting. She's excellent. She's retired now, but she worked for many years with survivors of severe trauma, ritual abuse, mind control. But she usually speaks about different issues. Doctor Miller will be speaking about this may be a little triggering for people, deception by organized abuser group, helping your front people and your insiders recognize the lies and truths which keep you enslaved.
Speaker 1:She's really good because she breaks things down really slowly and, you know, so that there's a logical progression helping people work through these types of things. However, it's none of the conference in therapy. We recommend that people listen to this if they have these kind of issues with a therapist or support person. Once it comes to the conference, we we recommend that they have a support person with them or easily available if needed. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So this is what she's I can read it to you. If you are a survivor of abuse by a mind controlling abuser group, you have parts that have been trained to obey abusers because they believe lies your abusers told you. So this is where we talked about creating parts at a young age in a child that will that will kind of partition off from the rest of the system.
Speaker 2:Yes. It sounds exactly like what we just talked about.
Speaker 1:Right. This is what she works on. How do we give those parts power in a gentle manner? You know? How do we hear those parts out and help those parts get out of these roles that they were given so they don't have to harm themselves or others anymore?
Speaker 1:You know? They can work with the system and have new roles. And that's a huge huge piece. That's very powerful. Lot of DID.
Speaker 1:You know, a lot of with DID, a lot of even more a more accidental form of DID. I don't know what you wanna call it. It's not as planned. It happens to you just in the trauma. It'd be, you know, okay.
Speaker 1:The role of one person might have been to go get drunk to go with pain. You know? Another role might have been to be there to have sex because it's too hard for the system to have sex. So how to how to get people new roles? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:So this is kinda like that a little bit. That's kind of thing. So learning how people are deceived, a lot of that is looking at the rituals, how the rituals are fake. A survivor may be in a ritual where people dress up as cartoon characters. So then they go around.
Speaker 1:When they recover the memories, they say, oh, the cartoon character or the movie star of you, which is, of course, not true, was someone with a mask. And that's used to discredit survivors, which is unfortunate. What really happened was the perpetrators were purposely doing things, you know, either accidentally or on purpose to to confuse the child. They may have a, you know, kind of a ritual where they have fake people, people dressed up in alien office, and then the survivor goes around saying there's aliens. And I'm not, you know, questioning whether they're are or aren't.
Speaker 1:That's not my field. But, you know, so the survivors aren't confused about that or other things. They call them in our field, we call them screen memories sometimes. So the idea is finding out what the lies are. Bigger lies are, you're powerless.
Speaker 1:You you can't leave the cause. Things like that, of course, those are all not true. You're not a good person. If you leave the cause, you're no good, you know, or even programs where a person may be told to harm themselves. So the idea would be not to do that to get proper treatment.
Speaker 1:And and to to to learn what the lies were. And I swear, she's not gonna be working on all of that obviously, but she'll be looking at how do you find out what the lies you were taught were.
Speaker 2:That's really that's very powerful. That's very empowering to be able to learn how to discern that and sort through it.
Speaker 1:And, you know, it's it's similar to what a user tells a child in a less ritual, non ritualistic setting, you know. Where if a child is being raped, they told their worthless, they told, oh, I will kill your parents if you tell or something horrible like that, but the child's terrified and doesn't tell, you know. So or whatever the abuser does, you're worthless. No one will ever like you. Or the child may even internalize that message.
Speaker 1:So this is just a deeper step over a bad message that needs to be changed, you know, by the use of it.
Speaker 2:Else people need to know about the resources you offer or the conference coming up?
Speaker 1:What I recommend is that people read the resources that they're able to. If you're a survivor, of course, use caution. But definitely, people should be open to different things and, you know and just because people in the culture say one thing is true, it may not be true at all. To question what's going on. To question what everyone says, including me, including the website.
Speaker 1:I think that's the the most important thing. And then to be willing to work on oneself, look at oneself, to grow and change whatever you need to work on. So I I would say, you know, just read read about things. You know, if something feels like it's not it's got a an edge or there's a reason behind why someone wrote it, you won't be careful, obviously. We try to find good factual information.
Speaker 1:On the websites, we've tried to put good solid factual information. We purposely avoid the name calling, bashing people, making statements that that would go beyond, you know, what would be considered rational thought on purpose.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for talking to us tonight.
Speaker 1:Sure. I mean, anytime you you want to, you can feel free to write me if you need more information. Because I know it's a it's a tricky topic, but I appreciate the chance to for an interview here. And I I just you know, I'll I'll just reiterate the website for people. There's ritualabuse.us, r I t u a l a b u s e U s.
Speaker 1:Another really good website written by people is child abuse wiki. Most wikis out there sadly are bashing abuse survivors, making fun of them, or saying they're not telling the truth even though the evidence is to the contrary. Childabusewiki, all 1 word, Org, has a nice page on DID and trauma. A nice page on recovered memory, ritual abuse, and so on. And then my own personal website, neil britt, n e I l b r I c k dot com.
Speaker 1:And for those who are interested in the conference, if you go to ritualabuse.us or you can write me at smartnews@a0l.com. It's all one word. Email. I'll be free to be more than happy to talk to people. Thank you for the opportunity to have an interview tonight.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. And I will be sure and post those links in the blog too in case people need to find them there and click over. And
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:I will share information that you still have some scholarships available if people can get themselves there.
Speaker 1:But thank you for doing that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Sure. Thank you so much for talking. Thank you for listening. Your support of the podcast, the workbooks, and the community means so much to us as we try to create something together that's never been done before, not like this. Connection brings healing, and you can join us on the community at www.systemsspeak.com.
Speaker 2:We'll see you there.
Speaker 1:Hi.