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Film Curious is a movie review podcast that takes a step back from the constant media consumption to discover and ponder great films across genres and time. A podcast where we let our intrigue guide us and are not afraid to explore whatever films pique our interest.
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Speaker 1
Hello and welcome to film curious. We're back. I don't know, we took like a month hiatus at this point. I don't really don't know how many weeks it's been, but we don't get paid to do this stuff. So it's whenever we are feeling well and have something to talk about and, and on trips are working. So it's been a wet, hot Greek mythology summer for the box office.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. And that's what that's what we're going to be talking about this week. Before we get into the Odyssey, we'll be talking about. And then we will go into a deep dive on Hadestown, because we have all seen it on Broadway and now in the theaters. And so we'll I'll touch base on that. Pete and I got to see the Odyssey.
00:00:48:07 - 00:00:51:11
Speaker 1
You got to see the Odyssey opening weekend. Right, Pete?
00:00:51:13 - 00:01:12:20
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, I got to see it that Friday or Saturday. And lucky enough, in 70 millimeter and The Indian, which is a local indie theater over here in Central Florida. Florida. And so it was loud. Holy shit, that movie's loud. But yeah. Yes. Gutsy.
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Speaker 1
So yeah, I saw it, I guess last weekend. I can't keep track anymore. But the most recent film we both did get to see, Pete and I is Spider-Man Brand New Day.
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Speaker 3
Spider-Man.
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Speaker 2
I saw it Sunday night. I actually had tickets for Thursday for the opening night and I just didn't want to go. I was like, you know what? I'm just not really feeling it right now. And I didn't have a whole lot of excitement. I haven't really liked the MCU, Spider-Man films. They seem much more interested in telling me about what future MCU films are coming out, and or just have Peter Parker pining over Tony Stark.
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Speaker 2
So I haven't really cared for them very much. I thought homecoming was Michael Keaton was the best part of homecoming. I think Holland is great as Spider-Man, but you know, Michael Keaton was the best of that. But then the fight at the end is just an absolute visual mess of there on a wing of a plane that's having visual that's going visually insane itself.
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Speaker 2
So I was like, this isn't fun to watch. And then the one with Gyllenhaal overseas was bad. And the, the, the second, I guess most recent one where they brought back to Maguire and Andrew Carnegie. Homecoming. Yeah. Oh, now homecoming is the first one that it's far from home. And then it's home away home. And then it's far away at home with Tom cruise and yeah, so whatever.
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Speaker 2
Those titles are stupid to.
00:03:12:13 - 00:03:13:22
Speaker 1
Fast Furious.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And even that one I enjoyed Alfred Molina the most. And then I thought the rest was fine. You know, it was it was just, it was a lot of people being like, oh my God, they did the meme. And I was like, cool, I don't know.
00:03:29:09 - 00:03:34:13
Speaker 1
It was very reliant upon the success of the villains. And the original Spider-Man wanted.
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Speaker 2
To go. Yeah. It was just like, hey, you like those people, right? And I'm like, yeah, I do. Yeah. So this one, I didn't have a lot of, you know, really like high hopes for quite frankly.
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Speaker 1
I'm on the same page as you with that.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So I think it's I if I would have paid more attention because I really didn't. And if I would have noticed that it was a Destin Daniel Crichton who directed it. So that may have pointed me in the direction of, oh, okay. Okay. Because he was the cat behind Shang-Chi. And he was, I think he directed and also like co-creator of Wonder Man, which I thought was the best thing I'm so used on in a while.
00:04:17:05 - 00:04:36:11
Speaker 2
Yeah, but unfortunately that show, it does not feature a white guy, so we're not going to get any more of those, even though it's Emmy nominated in this and that. They've they announced that it was getting renewed and now they've reneged that. So they couldn't figure out how to make a blade movie. They made three Ant-Man films. They could figure out those.
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Speaker 2
They couldn't figure out how to make a vampire hunting vampire film, because that's just who can crack that nut? Who could ever come up with a good one on that?
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Speaker 1
We don't have a lot of vampire movies, you know.
00:04:48:13 - 00:05:09:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. No one's ever done it before, so it's weird. But yeah, but that would have probably put me a little more in a in an area of. Oh, okay. Let me, let me see what, you know, what he gets to do over here. So how about you. What was your lead up to? Not well yeah. Two song Brand New Day, but I really thought it was.
00:05:09:06 - 00:05:10:13
Speaker 1
A beautiful day. Is that the.
00:05:10:18 - 00:05:17:14
Speaker 2
It's a beautiful day. Remember when? Remember when Apple just decided to put a fucking U2 album on all of.
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Speaker 1
Our phones? I do remember that.
00:05:20:07 - 00:05:27:19
Speaker 2
What a weird day that was. I'm sorry. Yeah. So what were you like? Excited? You said you weren't very right.
00:05:27:20 - 00:05:40:08
Speaker 1
No, I haven't been a huge fan of the new. And it's not because, again, I'm on the same page as you. It has nothing really to do with Tom Holland. It's more like that. All they give him to do is being a kid. They're like, this man's young. Do you remember?
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Speaker 2
Did you know he's young?
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Speaker 1
Right?
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Speaker 2
I referred to Empire Strikes Back as that movie from the 80s. Like, why wouldn't you just know what it's called? The stupid, weird thing. Like, they had to by a 300, or Ned buys, like, a $300 Lego set of the Death Star, but they don't know what the fuck the name of The Empire Strikes Back is.
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Speaker 1
Well, he learned his time at MIT. Was taught.
00:06:07:04 - 00:06:12:02
Speaker 2
Strange, strange way of being like, he's a kid. You get it? Like, yeah, I fucking.
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Speaker 1
Get it. Yeah. So this.
00:06:13:11 - 00:06:18:02
Speaker 2
Is the first. This is the first movie where he feels like he's not 15, which is great.
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Speaker 1
And that's. Yeah, I really appreciate that. But no, I wasn't like, ready to run to the theater hearing that. The good stuff of it, hearing about the Dustin Daniels stuff, I was like, okay, this is probably no matter what, I was going to get my ass in the seat. Like, like every the rest of America, apparently, we're going to sit down and watch a Spider-Man movie, like.
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Speaker 2
People.
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Speaker 1
Go to the theater for.
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Speaker 2
Like quality of the movie aside, whether you thought it was great or you thought it was okay or whatever, who the hell would have thought that this is the movie that would have earned more than endgame?
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Speaker 1
Yeah, that is why.
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Speaker 2
It's such a it's such a strange. I guess people were just desperate for it because I don't.
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Speaker 1
Spiderman. It's like, I think you get.
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Speaker 2
Like a spider.
00:07:08:07 - 00:07:17:15
Speaker 1
Automatic bump for a Spider-Man movie, you know, it's like nix for clicks where, like, the Knicks get extra news and media like, yeah, like a Spider-Man. Like people go see.
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Speaker 2
How much. What was that last one with all or with everybody and their mother in it? What was that called? Spider-Man. No way home.
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Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. No way home.
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Speaker 2
There you go. How much did that make? Because that was like. That was a big build up. Like, people were really excited about that. I mean, that made 1.92 billion. So like it made a ton. It made a billion overseas. It actually made more money overseas than it did domestically.
00:07:48:06 - 00:08:09:06
Speaker 1
So yeah. Character spider. Yeah I was going to see it no matter what the the hearing, all the good things made me more hopeful. The trailers didn't make me hopeful. No. The trailers, I was like, oh no, we're getting another young Spider-Man. And now he's acting like Deadpool. Like the two clips that he used in the trailers. He was acting like Deadpool.
00:08:09:07 - 00:08:29:05
Speaker 1
Oh, and there's like, there's two, two spots that it happens in the movie towards the end that he has like that, those weird, like, Deadpool esque bits. I don't know which ones you. I'll say it because he was in the trailer like he's stretching before. He like he's like, yeah, old now. I got a stretch and he's like doing.
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Speaker 2
So yeah.
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Speaker 1
I know and everything.
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Speaker 2
But.
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Speaker 1
I mean, like.
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Speaker 2
Spider-Man's always kind of he's he's.
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Speaker 1
Quippy, but he's not. You know, it's a it's a clever, witty quip. It's not like a Deadpool hole when you go into this whole bit before I start fighting. So like, that was a little bit of a turnoff. And I don't know the trailers for me, it just were signaling it's going to be more of the same. Luckily, those were only the spots where it was more of the same.
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Speaker 1
You know, there's like this little two little spots that it was more of the same, but they had to hit the reset button to get Spider-Man. I feel to be the Spider-Man that people legitimately enjoy, or is closer to the character that we know.
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Speaker 2
I think a lot of people are actually unaware that this is normally where Spider-Man is, because a lot of people grew up with these movies being there, right? Yeah. So, you know, for if that was what you grew up with, because I remember when the first trailer came out, I saw a number of people there were like, oh, this looks depressing.
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Speaker 2
I was like, yeah, it looks like Spider-Man. Yeah, like like Spider-Man.
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Speaker 1
Struggle.
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Speaker 2
It's real. Yeah. Spider-Man is genuinely, like, always in the worst space possible when things are going well. You as a as a reader, as a fan or like, oh no. Because you know. Yeah. Like the light at the end of the tunnel is a is a freight train, like it's not the exit. So I think that was that was an interesting thing to do.
00:10:01:10 - 00:10:12:07
Speaker 2
But they also had to in the trailers, which I think only watch it the first one. There's a lot. Obviously in this movie that they weren't going to show you at all.
00:10:12:09 - 00:10:13:17
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:10:13:19 - 00:10:49:15
Speaker 2
Because and look this is this is out. There's been variety articles about it now with them talking about it. So spoilers on the movie. That melody made like $1.4 billion. You know, this is our first really big foray into hey, mutants are here. Yeah. With us learning that the one redheaded actress that they've hired in a very long time is, is Jean gray, which here's here's the thing on that I did not I don't read any, like, rumor sites.
00:10:49:15 - 00:11:14:23
Speaker 2
I don't go to any of those sites. It just doesn't interest me. I knew she was in the movie and that was it. And so when I went into the film and I sat down, I had no idea what she was going to be. And then the villain showed up in big quotes. The villain shows up and I was like, oh, well, that seems like telepathy of some sort.
00:11:15:00 - 00:11:39:17
Speaker 2
And there's a really young red headed actress in this film that I magically not seeing right now. I was like, oh, okay, I guess she's Jean. And yeah, shows that that's a pretty wild thing. But so this is actually my question to you. My overall on the movie was, man, those first two acts, I loved them when I watched it in the theater.
00:11:39:18 - 00:12:15:11
Speaker 2
The third act where we get into the jean stuff, I was like, okay, now we're just like, hey, wait till next movies. And we really sidetracked for like 20 minutes away from Parker. As I've gotten further away from the film since seeing it, I don't mind as much because I think it was more balanced than I was giving it credit for in the moment, just because my knee jerk reaction, because they've done it so many times, was like, oh great, we're going to have another like hot tub bullshit thing, which is going to mean nothing to me.
00:12:15:11 - 00:12:27:21
Speaker 2
And then, you know, in 15 months I'll be like, oh, remember that one scene? So but but I was like softened on it and been like, okay with it since then. What what was your reaction to that?
00:12:27:23 - 00:12:54:08
Speaker 1
It did feel I know exactly what you're talking about. Did it feel like three like two different movies and three different solid parts? Like you definitely can identify, you know, like part one, part two, part three, and then maybe even part four to like, bring Jean story back into Spider-Man's story. But I really liked the Jean story, and I was like, oh, I'm excited.
00:12:54:09 - 00:13:14:04
Speaker 1
I'm like, if you're gonna do this, if we're getting the X-Men again. And it was like the first time in a very long time where I was, like, confident in how they might handle it and how they might tell the story, because I was really moved by how they told Jean Gray's part of the story. Like, again, spoilers.
00:13:14:06 - 00:13:14:20
Speaker 1
Her her.
00:13:15:00 - 00:13:20:13
Speaker 2
Side is Jean gray all time.
00:13:20:15 - 00:13:27:01
Speaker 1
Aunt May, her scene with aunt May like totally moved me to the point of almost tears. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Which also is a I'm so sorry it was. That was a bit of like a circus trick to me because I initially my brain reacted of like, are we going to do the power and responsibility speech again? And we kind of did. But I was.
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Speaker 1
Like.
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Speaker 2
No, this is working. Yeah, well, because I saw her.
00:13:46:13 - 00:14:09:17
Speaker 1
Yeah. Like and they gave like aunt May, the Uncle Ben thing, but her own thing, you know, like it was her own unique speech. It wasn't just with great power comes great responsibility. You know, it was. They gave her aunt May her own thing. And I thought it was really working. And so it was hitting on an emotional level that I feel like Marvel doesn't like to touch on in the movies like that we've had before.
00:14:09:18 - 00:14:15:06
Speaker 1
Like, there's very few times that we go like deep and dark into things that hurt.
00:14:15:08 - 00:14:23:13
Speaker 2
So I would agree with you up until I guess a year ago or something, center bolts went fucking headfirst into that.
00:14:23:14 - 00:14:29:05
Speaker 1
It did. But my thing with Thunderbolts is it almost felt like. Too much.
00:14:29:07 - 00:14:31:12
Speaker 2
Like women.
00:14:31:14 - 00:14:41:23
Speaker 1
Yes. You know what? Screw Florence Pugh. Speaking of which, no, she's in fact a gem every time she gets on screen. This movie.
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Speaker 2
Is so great.
00:14:43:09 - 00:14:49:16
Speaker 1
Hilarious and amazing, I love it. She's like an extra character thrown in and I'm like, yeah, sure, if I were in, I love it.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. It's great. She's like, Q branch almost. Yes. I'm sorry you're saying. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
So Thunderbolts felt almost a little like somebody like trying to tackle mental health and illness, but like not really wanting to really touch it for me. But like Jean gray, I feel like they, like, were going for it. We're he's going to sit with it. You know, I didn't know if I really felt that way about Thunderbolts. Okay.
00:15:19:08 - 00:15:25:00
Speaker 1
It felt like they wanted to skim the service surface while still keeping it light and funny and like, you know.
00:15:25:01 - 00:15:25:15
Speaker 2
Like, I mean.
00:15:25:18 - 00:15:27:22
Speaker 1
They tried to go there, but.
00:15:28:00 - 00:15:31:19
Speaker 2
I don't I mean, they literally go into his mind and you see, like his abuse.
00:15:31:19 - 00:15:37:04
Speaker 1
But I haven't I haven't watched a second time. I haven't watched the second time.
00:15:37:04 - 00:15:40:07
Speaker 2
But I do worry that's, that's a sign.
00:15:40:09 - 00:15:53:13
Speaker 1
For not being like this. Sounds like some this seems like somebody who, like, is writing about mental illness but doesn't really want to tackle this dude's legitimate mental illness. But I don't know. Nicole, did you see Thunderbolts? I did, yeah, I.
00:15:53:13 - 00:16:13:09
Speaker 4
Mean, I remember that we did have that conversation after we saw that. I really liked it, but we were both like, maybe it felt like the baby's first mental illness kind of introduction, but like in a bad way. But I also think that there maybe is like a, a point at which I don't know how much deeper I would have expected them to go with it.
00:16:13:10 - 00:16:13:18
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:16:13:21 - 00:16:37:00
Speaker 4
Yeah, as you're pointing out, like, like something like that. Or if I think of something like, like Moon Knight and how far they go with that and like his kind of backstory, like, I don't think that for a marvel movie, I would expect it to be. So I'm interested because I didn't see the movie. So I am curious now to see exactly what the handling of Jean gray is like.
00:16:37:01 - 00:16:55:18
Speaker 4
Because Thunderbolts. I was surprised by how much they went into it. But actually I agree with you. I understand that I think they were setting it up as something that, like most audiences, could understand and relate to of like, we've all been through trauma. We're not going to leave you behind. We can heal from it, that kind of thing.
00:16:55:20 - 00:17:07:01
Speaker 4
But I did really well, and I think that that probably was. Why was that? It felt like it was a little deeper than the usual thing.
00:17:07:03 - 00:17:14:18
Speaker 2
And is that the director who's doing X-Men?
00:17:14:20 - 00:17:19:15
Speaker 2
Because I think we're finally moving past, you know, like the Russo era of.
00:17:19:16 - 00:17:22:12
Speaker 1
I get one more big one big finale.
00:17:22:14 - 00:17:23:09
Speaker 2
All back.
00:17:23:11 - 00:17:25:03
Speaker 1
Or a huge paychecks for them all.
00:17:25:06 - 00:17:31:12
Speaker 2
Got so many ideas. We're just going to bring everyone back. Okay, let's go back to back to Jean. Let's get back to her.
00:17:31:13 - 00:17:51:12
Speaker 1
But yeah. So I felt the handling was really well really emotionally impactful and nicely done. So I don't think it really bothered me. And I liked the part one and two. So like I loved all the Spider-Man stuff. This was the Spider-Man that I love, like the, you know, the more towards the original Raimi movies and the comics.
00:17:51:12 - 00:18:17:04
Speaker 1
And so I think, yes, I could totally see what you're saying, that it goes off into another movie basically for a little bit, but I think it comes back in a fairly cohesive way. And, and it made me excited to see the X-Men, see what they do with the X-Men. And I if you asked me that like a year ago or two years ago, be like, nah, I'm not really interested in seeing like what they're going to do going forward.
00:18:17:04 - 00:18:40:00
Speaker 2
But now I am like, and for Parker, you know, for the actual movie and not just that, that portion of it, there's some really good moments for him. There's a lot of good moments with Frank, with Punisher, which was nice to get to see Bert. I'll do a little more than just be like, fucking Red. What are you thinking, bro?
00:18:40:01 - 00:18:58:05
Speaker 2
He got to do. He got to do that, of course. But, you know, we got to get a little more into it. It was nice to see him in a actual big screen. It's sort of what I wish you would get with Daredevil one of these days. And Spider-Man is the character where that would happen, but I'm not sure if there ever going to pull that trigger.
00:18:58:07 - 00:19:28:18
Speaker 2
We'll see. I really liked the you know, the yearning stuff is always fun, and the way that he reconnects with with Ned is real good, you know, because it kind of lets you know that there's like this there's these physical moments that can that will stay even though your quote unquote memory has been wiped out or, you know, whatever the exact definition of what happened in the the other film was, yeah, like that's still there.
00:19:28:18 - 00:19:59:17
Speaker 2
And that triggers it back in, kind of actually reminded me of lost. There's a in like the last episode of lost. There they are in they were never in a purgatory on the island, but they are in a sort of purgatory when they're back in the real world, and none of the people, they don't recognize each other, but when they share a moment or like, make physical contact with the other, this flood of memories comes back.
00:19:59:19 - 00:20:23:14
Speaker 2
And then they they're like, oh my God, you know, they remember everything. So it was kind of like that, that kind of use that actually. I wonder if he just straight up lifted that from lost. But it was effective. I thought it was effective. I liked the fight, the choreography, especially at the end when he fights the hand, which was cool to see because we haven't really got to see the hand.
00:20:23:15 - 00:20:43:20
Speaker 2
Even though we have a Daredevil series, we got to see the hand a little bit, but not as much. Which also, by the way, I saw a lot of people posting like, oh my God, the hand! Why are they ripping off? Needs to be Ninja Turtles? Guys that happened in the other way around. The foot was taken from Spider-Man comics, from the hand from from Marvel.
00:20:43:21 - 00:21:02:09
Speaker 2
And yeah, it was. They called it the foot. It was a joke in that. So it's not that this Spider-Man film stole it from Teenage Ninja Turtles. That is the thing that happened long, long time ago. And it's turtles that used it as like a, you know, a parody, you know, of what they saw in Marvel. So that was fun.
00:21:02:10 - 00:21:28:15
Speaker 2
Oh, he does kind of get over his problem from one moment to the next. You know, during that last fight sequence, there's not really much of a buildup of him accepting that he can be Spartan man and Peter Parker. He just sort of figures it out, like in the moment in that last film. But when I rewatch it, I'll see if that if it pokes its head in a little bit more.
00:21:28:21 - 00:21:31:03
Speaker 2
But man, he seems real.
00:21:31:05 - 00:21:34:05
Speaker 1
Confident in it after he's been suppressing it for.
00:21:34:11 - 00:21:42:07
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's just it's A12 and that's it. He's he's fine.
00:21:42:09 - 00:22:11:21
Speaker 2
Rare moment of I think incredible restraint was shown in the movie. This is in in regards to Gene. We all see her at the end. She's on a bus. She's going upstate. There's no way that any Marvel fan is not like we know it's upstate New York. Buffalo. No, it's like we know it's, you know, what's upstate. And someone must have must have wanted to push the button of.
00:22:11:23 - 00:22:32:23
Speaker 2
And we want to hear a voice say, June, you know, and sound maybe British ish if my if I was an older, bald British man who had mental powers and they don't. And I was actually impressed by the by the not doing that.
00:22:33:01 - 00:22:40:05
Speaker 1
Or you don't see the, the school plaque or anything. Nothing. Yeah. Shot of the mansion or anything like that.
00:22:40:07 - 00:22:45:04
Speaker 2
Driving up the road. There's just for some reason there's a sign that's just a massive X.
00:22:45:08 - 00:22:45:21
Speaker 1
Welcome.
00:22:46:00 - 00:22:58:14
Speaker 2
You know, or some shit. Oh, someone gets on the bus and they're like, here's my money, bub. Or, you know, I feel like there's there's a lot of areas where that would have happened. And it didn't.
00:22:58:14 - 00:23:01:22
Speaker 1
Happen in a post-credit scene to They Restrained.
00:23:02:00 - 00:23:04:02
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's what I was fully expecting.
00:23:04:02 - 00:23:07:14
Speaker 1
That credit. I mean, there was a post-credits, but.
00:23:07:15 - 00:23:14:00
Speaker 2
There wasn't anything that Secret Wars, you would think, since that is coming around the bend.
00:23:14:00 - 00:23:15:02
Speaker 1
That's what that was.
00:23:15:03 - 00:23:34:17
Speaker 2
But yeah, I enjoyed this one. I gave it like a, you know, a letterbox. I gave it a four. I would say like, it's a, you know, like at 83, 85, but maybe on future watches it would go higher. Like it's, it's really it was, it was a good one. It was a really good one. And I felt good.
00:23:34:18 - 00:23:55:07
Speaker 2
It's nice to see Holland not have to just be. Oh, Mr. Stark, you know, if you didn't have to do that the whole time, that must have been great for him. He must have had so much fun. Like not having to do that after a certain time. So. Yeah. Cool. You know, I.
00:23:55:09 - 00:24:20:00
Speaker 1
I think I would have enjoyed it more if this had almost been like a payoff type movie of like if we were getting, you know, one and two or type Spider-Man's. And then this was the third one, right? You know, if you're following what I'm saying, like, if we forget the the first four Holland Spider-Man's.
00:24:20:00 - 00:24:21:19
Speaker 2
Well, you need the third one, though.
00:24:21:23 - 00:24:39:15
Speaker 1
You do, cause you have to hit the reset button. But what I'm saying is, if you took like one and two of, I know totally different, you know, Mary Jane's and all that, and there's hair and all, but I'm just like. But I'm saying if if the character was closer to the Spider-Man that we know and you didn't have to hit the reset button, right.
00:24:39:16 - 00:25:03:14
Speaker 1
And we had like a one and two that were building to this three, I think I would have really been like, oh, phenomenal. You know, like I would have felt like the this Spider-Man moment was really well earned, needed. I mean, it was really needed because it was a reset, basically. And they did. You know, I.
00:25:03:19 - 00:25:14:23
Speaker 2
Keep seeing reset. I don't think any I don't think they view that as a reset, because if this was the way that people were introduced to Spider-Man, that would be weird because you have.
00:25:14:23 - 00:25:17:06
Speaker 1
To about an origin story.
00:25:17:07 - 00:25:43:23
Speaker 2
I know, I know, but like, I only think that this matters. I think that one of not only I think one of the reasons that this works so well for me is because I've seen so much of that other version of Parker, who's very childlike. And so seeing that change over to this makes me actually see an arc.
00:25:43:23 - 00:25:55:15
Speaker 2
Now, I would skip the Gyllenhaal film, but like, if I watch homecoming for, you know, end game, throw that in there, right a homecoming.
00:25:55:17 - 00:26:16:18
Speaker 2
Infinity War, end game and then the everyone's here last one. And then this I would be like, oh, we now have an arc that I can actually look at. So I don't really know. For me, I don't think it's a reset. I just think it was a.
00:26:16:20 - 00:26:41:06
Speaker 2
No. It was a way to fast forward the tape, to get it to be like, we have to we have to get this guy into a spot where to not to not not to bring up like a sad thing you don't have, you know, you don't have Black Panther anymore right now. I know he's coming. No, they finally casted him, which there's another comment that you can make about that because, Ryan Coogler no, I'm sorry.
00:26:41:07 - 00:26:59:20
Speaker 2
Actually, Fiji said it himself. He was like, Ryan Coogler called me and he was like, I found the guy. And and this is, you know, me as like quoting Fiji. He's like, we didn't even start looking yet. How the fuck did you not even start looking yet? Kind of seems like you weren't that interested in looking if you haven't even started looking yet.
00:26:59:21 - 00:27:08:02
Speaker 2
So if Coogler didn't go out and do that. How long is it until there's another Black Panther film? Well, so anyways.
00:27:08:02 - 00:27:12:02
Speaker 1
But we know they don't have a plan. I mean, they never have. I mean, for this.
00:27:12:04 - 00:27:34:00
Speaker 2
Admittedly, they never usually they say that, you know, they say they don't plan, but they also lost that plan because, you know, Boseman was you know, Chadwick Boseman was going to be the the center stage next to Larson. And he passed away. And there's not enough interest. And I don't think Brie Larson is interested in it anymore. I wonder if she's even in doomsday.
00:27:34:02 - 00:28:04:01
Speaker 2
But you have Spider-Man, and he is essentially like next to Superman and Batman. Those are the three most famous superheroes of all time. So I don't want a kid being in the lead of that team. Like if they're going to do a new Avengers thing, like a real technically New Avengers, that's Spider-Man. Like it could be in that there's been there's been times where he's been part of the Avengers, and in this universe that might fit a little more than normal.
00:28:04:05 - 00:28:19:21
Speaker 2
So I think it was a good like, hey, let's let these people grow up, because we got to start letting them sort of be at the front of this a little bit more maybe. I guess we'll see, because Secret Wars is going to have a whole lot of Spider-Man. Yeah, whole lot.
00:28:19:21 - 00:28:20:15
Speaker 1
Of.
00:28:20:17 - 00:28:24:06
Speaker 2
That happen. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, now I feel like.
00:28:24:08 - 00:28:35:06
Speaker 1
Yeah, like now I feel after this film I go, okay, good. Well, yeah, I did, I did think for a moment. I didn't think for a moment that they were going to kill this Tom Holland Spider-Man off.
00:28:35:06 - 00:28:36:21
Speaker 2
And when.
00:28:37:02 - 00:28:46:12
Speaker 1
He gets shot and I was like, oh, well, that's where I was like, they're not gonna do it. Are they gonna do it? I don't know, they finally got him right. My was like, are they going to bring in miles now?
00:28:46:12 - 00:29:12:21
Speaker 2
Like well here. They've already said that. Holland even said that. He's like we have they he's like, we have a plan that I will be handing this off to somebody else here. There was a funny, funny thought that went through my head, though, because I remember when, like, that really terrible last Star Wars film came out, The Rise of Skywalker, and there was a, you know, a black female woman.
00:29:12:21 - 00:29:36:23
Speaker 2
And it was like, of course it's Lando's daughter, because there can only be like two families or two groups of black people in this entire universe. Right? When we met the newly introduced who she was. She's been in the comics, but I forgot her name. But the deputy sheriff, I don't know what we call cops nowadays. The female cop.
00:29:37:04 - 00:29:39:02
Speaker 1
Okay, so in the back.
00:29:39:03 - 00:29:52:14
Speaker 2
Of the bear. Yeah, for the bear. And, you know, it was like, oh, God, did they just introduce the Latina so they can have someone who's related to Miles? And I swear to God, if that's what ends up being what it is, it's.
00:29:52:14 - 00:29:54:15
Speaker 1
One of the kids that they showed it's.
00:29:54:16 - 00:29:59:18
Speaker 2
No, no, not one of the kids will be like her cousin or some shit like her nephew. Like it'll be.
00:29:59:20 - 00:30:04:12
Speaker 1
The kid on the shoulders that we find out that the kid on the shoulders that's waving to him at the hospital.
00:30:04:13 - 00:30:30:14
Speaker 2
No, I actually really do. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if we wind up finding out that maybe she has a sister and one of her kids is the prowler is Donald Glover, who we saw back in homecoming, and we haven't seen him since because that's where you get to Miles. Really? The Spider-Verse. But I was very like my brain said, did they just introduce a Latina because they were like, we got to get miles in here.
00:30:30:17 - 00:30:43:08
Speaker 2
Like. So I hope that's not the case. But whatever. If it is, I wouldn't be too surprised. I don't know how you do Miles, in a way that anyone gives a shit about and finds compelling after how good those first two Sony films.
00:30:43:10 - 00:30:44:01
Speaker 1
Have been.
00:30:44:03 - 00:31:15:22
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a that's a tough hill to climb because we're not talking about like, oh, there'll be a decade in between these two characters. They'll be like a couple of years and that's it, like maybe 2 or 3 years, but who knows? Because also, you know, and we got to get off this movie because we were off to long one of the other things just that's like a final note, you know, take note of how young Sadie Sink is and take a note of the other actors that have been rumored to be, you know, cast as other X-Men.
00:31:15:23 - 00:31:39:22
Speaker 2
This is not a one and done saying they are looking at a decade's worth 15 years worth of movies to come out of, you know, out of this crop, out of the X-Men. So I think you can sounds weird to say this, but I think you can put a lot of the other Marvel characters aside. Can see them anymore.
00:31:40:00 - 00:31:43:00
Speaker 2
This is going to be X-Men land, you know.
00:31:43:01 - 00:31:43:17
Speaker 1
With me.
00:31:43:21 - 00:31:55:13
Speaker 2
I'm totally okay. I'm good. Yeah. No. But, like, people have to understand that and move the fuck on because they can only do doomsday so many times.
00:31:55:14 - 00:31:57:07
Speaker 1
I can't believe they're doing doomsday.
00:31:57:08 - 00:32:00:07
Speaker 2
I can see how excited people are about it.
00:32:00:08 - 00:32:03:03
Speaker 1
No, I actually haven't seen what the discourse is.
00:32:03:09 - 00:32:19:06
Speaker 2
They were out of their minds. This this movies are sold out because they see people that they knew before. It doesn't matter, bro. Captain America is back, bro. You see him? But it's not really him. It's a clone. It's. It's a robot. And it's really.
00:32:19:08 - 00:32:26:21
Speaker 1
TJ ever takes it. Even doom mask of. Does it matter? Put a mask on him. It's still.
00:32:27:01 - 00:32:49:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. No that's that was. Oh that was a really nice thing actually about this movie that, that I, that I like and I haven't heard a lot of people talk about. There's so much more of Spider-Man talking with the fucking mask on then there's ever been before. Because, Christ, they cannot stop. Every two seconds I take the signal, bro, I know it's Tom Holland.
00:32:49:13 - 00:33:07:00
Speaker 2
I like Tom Holland. He seems like a wonderful dude. He's a pretty good actor. I do not give a shit to see his face as Spider-Man so much. I want to see Spider-Man. I want to see the name of the fucking character in the movie. So keep your goddamn mask on.
00:33:07:02 - 00:33:10:22
Speaker 1
You feel the opposite about The Mandalorian with the Spider-Man?
00:33:11:00 - 00:33:11:13
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:33:11:17 - 00:33:14:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. Absolutely. Mandalorian.
00:33:14:00 - 00:33:19:16
Speaker 2
Wonder why? Because also, Spider-Man talks in more tone of voice than this.
00:33:19:18 - 00:33:20:09
Speaker 1
Yes.
00:33:20:15 - 00:33:25:00
Speaker 2
Imagine Spider-Man only said things like this.
00:33:25:01 - 00:33:26:05
Speaker 1
It's true.
00:33:26:07 - 00:33:28:05
Speaker 2
That you would hate it.
00:33:28:07 - 00:33:45:00
Speaker 1
Real life character from him anyways. Yes, ma'am. He's good. It's good. I'm excited. I don't know, I liked it. I'm excited for the X-Men based on the Jean gray story that they started. I'm excited even for Spider-Man. So you know. Oh.
00:33:45:02 - 00:34:05:13
Speaker 2
Oh, it's just a weird visual thing that happened that happens in the movie. And I was like, I wonder why you would make that choice. Her sister, she has that headband, which they focus on, man. Those those are Rogue's colors. I thought that was. I'm like, I had to stop and be like, wait, was there like a version where there were sisters?
00:34:05:13 - 00:34:10:04
Speaker 2
But no, I had to look it up. But I just.
00:34:10:04 - 00:34:12:01
Speaker 1
Thought it was time.
00:34:12:01 - 00:34:19:00
Speaker 2
I thought it was interesting. I don't know, yeah, it was like Claremont must have done that somewhere. But no.
00:34:19:02 - 00:34:25:22
Speaker 1
X-Men does. The, they'll have like, parallel different universes going on. Right. So you can have like.
00:34:25:23 - 00:34:30:20
Speaker 2
I mean, multiple X-Men. Excellent. Can get there's nothing complicated canon.
00:34:30:21 - 00:34:36:15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Like it's not like Batman where it's like, you got to follow the canon of Batman, you know.
00:34:36:18 - 00:34:46:05
Speaker 2
Man, you know, I love those. They didn't. And we just got a Batman Red rain film where he fights Dracula. Fuck me. That such a great comic.
00:34:46:07 - 00:34:49:10
Speaker 1
That does sound really good. I would have to read that.
00:34:49:14 - 00:35:05:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, red rain is fantastic. There's like a trilogy. I think Red rain is the first one in Blood Storm. And then something else was the third one. Yeah, check those out if you haven't. They're very good. Else first books. Well, hey, why don't we talk about Tom Holland some more?
00:35:05:16 - 00:35:24:05
Speaker 1
Let's segway. Yeah, because we could, I think, and I could probably talk about talk about some comics and go on and on about Marvel and go mix and all that different stuff. So, yeah, Tom Holland, the man of the hour, was also in The Odyssey playing young again.
00:35:24:07 - 00:35:30:17
Speaker 2
Yeah. Hey, I had come on, fuck me. Yeah, he really does, doesn't he.
00:35:30:19 - 00:35:38:01
Speaker 1
But I think he's supposed to be like 19 or 18 or something in that role.
00:35:38:02 - 00:35:40:08
Speaker 2
So Danny Zuko was high school.
00:35:40:08 - 00:35:53:11
Speaker 1
So I don't believe the Anne Hathaway 18 year old kid Tom Holland dynamic be honest, I didn't I wasn't sold that. And Hathaway was old enough to be his mother did not.
00:35:53:12 - 00:35:55:23
Speaker 2
I mean, she still looks like she's 25.
00:35:56:00 - 00:35:56:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, it was a.
00:35:56:15 - 00:35:59:09
Speaker 2
Little tough. She looks incredible still.
00:35:59:11 - 00:36:00:17
Speaker 1
But it was not.
00:36:00:18 - 00:36:07:01
Speaker 2
In that. Damon must be just like moving mountains and in his spare time.
00:36:07:03 - 00:36:08:10
Speaker 1
Very jacked.
00:36:08:12 - 00:36:10:16
Speaker 2
Yes.
00:36:10:18 - 00:36:33:09
Speaker 1
But I didn't get to see it a second time. And I actually was surprised at myself that I wanted to see it a second time. I because I really enjoyed, like, the technical aspect of it. I thought it was all gorgeous and well done for me. There's a little bit of heart missing at certain times.
00:36:33:11 - 00:36:34:15
Speaker 2
Absolutely.
00:36:34:17 - 00:36:46:17
Speaker 1
So I feel like the first time around I was experiencing just taking in the experience because I really wasn't very hard on it. So that's why I kind of want a second season. Ash so.
00:36:46:19 - 00:36:53:05
Speaker 2
It's a family show.
00:36:53:07 - 00:37:03:06
Speaker 1
So, so that so that I can figure out how much the lack of heart or the lack of certain like character development bothers me.
00:37:03:08 - 00:37:35:04
Speaker 2
All right. So I think first off, this could be this could have been a two part film, two hours each. I think I would have been kind of cool. I would have loved to have seen do that. Maybe that because the pace, you go so many places. Yeah, almost as if one were on an Odyssey. But you go through so many places and so many sequences and it's it's very loud and it's a lot of action.
00:37:35:04 - 00:37:51:06
Speaker 2
But when that movie stops and slows down, those are the best parts for me. Those are the best parts. The when when Damon, when Odyssey goes into Cersei's hut.
00:37:51:08 - 00:37:51:20
Speaker 1
Oh.
00:37:51:22 - 00:37:54:17
Speaker 2
Played by Samantha. Morton put that.
00:37:54:18 - 00:37:55:20
Speaker 1
I mean.
00:37:55:22 - 00:38:21:18
Speaker 2
She's I mean number one throw a statue at her right now. I don't want to hear anything. She deserves it. That was incredible. That sequence when she's talking with him. The Hades sequence, probably my favorite of the whole film. Again, just two people talking or three people, you know, a couple of people, but just talking and you're able to just focus in on that and that's it.
00:38:21:18 - 00:38:48:09
Speaker 2
Those are my two favorite scenes in the whole film, and I had put a post up about this. This is something that Nolan actually does so extremely well, but we don't get it as much as you. It's just there's so much bombastic in other wild shit going on that it doesn't get lost in the mix, but it's by far the minority of it, right?
00:38:48:10 - 00:39:24:19
Speaker 2
When you think of Dark Night, I think most people think of the the interrogation scene with Batman and Joker. Again, just two people talking. When you think of interstellar, it's when McConaughey is watching the video of his daughter and his son again, quiet people, him just watching and one person talking. There's so many great moments like that in these Nolan films, and I think the other stuff can become so much that you it's easy to overlook it, but I try not to overlook that stuff and it winds up being my favorite spots.
00:39:24:21 - 00:39:36:03
Speaker 2
John Leguizamo was fantastic. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets nominated for Best Supporting Actor whenever, whatever the hell month it is and the whole month that all happens.
00:39:36:05 - 00:39:39:11
Speaker 2
There's patents is a phenomenal piece of shit. Like he just.
00:39:39:12 - 00:39:41:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, he's he's really.
00:39:41:19 - 00:40:03:14
Speaker 2
So great. I would have liked to have gotten even more of him. Like I understood where he was coming from. But there were certain scenes where I was like, wait, should I be rooting for this cat? Because it's they show like a flashback. And, you know, deceased does say to him like, look over and protect everyone. And he's like, very well.
00:40:03:16 - 00:40:30:20
Speaker 2
And like, maybe he takes it too far, obviously. But I really enjoyed the film. I'm looking forward to watching it again. But yeah, there's a little there's a little bit of emotional that I just didn't get into, but I find that happens a lot sometimes in Nolan films. It's kind of like Stanley Kubrick where I'm watching this movie and I'm like, Holy shit, but I don't actually really care about anybody.
00:40:30:22 - 00:40:52:00
Speaker 2
Like, I don't really care if she'll eat of all lives. Like, I love Shelley Duvall. I don't want to see Shelley Duvall die, but like the wife in The Shining don't really care if she dies. The kid absolutely don't care if he dies. But I love watching that movie. Interstellar doesn't really, well, prestige. He did it really well in again, quieter movie.
00:40:52:05 - 00:41:14:07
Speaker 2
A lot of just dialog scenes. This one though I didn't really I thought it was that, you know, when he does that at the end and he's in the throne room and they have that that big throwdown in the palace that was really great. And I it's been a while since I heard a crowd cheer for a character's death.
00:41:14:12 - 00:41:33:19
Speaker 2
But when when Corey Hawkins takes an arrow in the face, like, without even getting out the line, that's just you. People cheered. But that's another one. Like I would have liked more of Corey. I feel Hawkins and Patents and were underutilized and I could have used more time with them.
00:41:33:20 - 00:41:36:01
Speaker 1
If we talk about underutilized.
00:41:36:03 - 00:41:37:03
Speaker 2
Charlize Theron.
00:41:37:04 - 00:41:37:21
Speaker 1
And Charlie.
00:41:38:00 - 00:42:01:22
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. Let's go. Yeah, she's barely there. Charlize Theron is barely there. I would have never left that island. Just stay at that island. She though actually, more than anybody, I was like, man, I almost wanted to, like, experience there. Good times together. And we didn't really get to see it.
00:42:01:23 - 00:42:06:21
Speaker 1
We didn't get he's there for supposed to be there for like 11 years or seven years.
00:42:06:21 - 00:42:13:11
Speaker 2
Something like that. Yeah, yeah. And that's where I feel like maybe the two parter really would have been wild to see.
00:42:13:13 - 00:42:39:22
Speaker 1
It could I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if two parts would have worked for Nolan's adaptation because this isn't I'm looking at it this way. I read the Odyssey back in like AP English or something like that, back in like senior year of high school. So I don't have exact memories of it. But I know this is Nolan's adaptation, this isn't the Odyssey.
00:42:40:00 - 00:43:09:14
Speaker 1
Like this is for sure. His like his version of Odysseus and his own story that he's telling. If you look at it in comparison to what the Odyssey is, this, isn't it? This is like it doesn't go as far as, like, weathering heights, version extremes of like what? What Emerald Fennell did of like, my own telling and imagining, you know, of Wuthering Heights.
00:43:09:15 - 00:43:39:07
Speaker 1
Like, no, it's not that extreme, but it is. This is Nolan's very specific. He's he's grappling with Odysseus guilt and grief. And so we don't get a cleverer, more fun Odysseus. That is like the version that we know in the epic poem. So I think if you look at it that way, it's a little bit easier to digest if you're not like, making the comparison.
00:43:39:09 - 00:43:40:22
Speaker 1
That's why I say about that.
00:43:41:00 - 00:44:14:21
Speaker 2
Okay. Yeah. No, I can I can see that. Yeah. I mean, we really we just focus on a man who has thought, he thought for all his life, like what he was doing was for the greater good. And then has that moment of, wait, what am I actually accomplishing here? And I don't want to and I'd rather be gone than ever have to, you know, look upon the ruin that I'm unintentionally bringing, that I thought I was doing well this whole time, and I like that.
00:44:14:21 - 00:44:36:09
Speaker 2
But yeah, he's that's that's his thing. That doesn't really go much beyond that. I'm not sure if you need it for just a single movie. Yeah. Because also, I don't think a lot of people I never read The Odyssey. I didn't have to read it in school. I did buy one of the adaptations, one of the translations that were brought up in The New York Times.
00:44:36:10 - 00:44:53:06
Speaker 2
So I'll get to that eventually. I'm reading Salem's Lot right now, so we're we're knee deep and we're ass deep all the way in Stephen King world. But, yeah, it's it's a Nolan like adaptation, but that's what it should be, right? You know, it's it's his take on it.
00:44:53:06 - 00:45:13:05
Speaker 1
So yeah, as long as you don't go as far as, you know, the weathering Heights thing, which is not weathering heights, you know, like, yeah, I can't defend fennel, I like fennel, I can't defend her on weathering heights. It's too it's not it's not the novel adaptation. That's an entirely different movie. She wanted her own thing. She shouldn't even put base.
00:45:13:06 - 00:45:28:21
Speaker 1
She just used the IP name. Like we're not even close to the novel here. I don't know, Nicole. We won't get into the the Weathering Heights thing, but I think Nicole would be in agreement that like, that is not Wuthering Heights. So we should look.
00:45:28:21 - 00:45:33:17
Speaker 4
At it and they're talking about it because we'll just.
00:45:33:19 - 00:45:50:05
Speaker 1
So it's not on that extreme level. So yeah, I mean if we did get like two parts, maybe Nolan could have had a little bit more fun. Gave him gave Penelope more screen time, given Lupita Nyong'o more screen time. Like we could probably could have had a little bit more fun with it.
00:45:50:07 - 00:45:53:03
Speaker 2
Let me know.
00:45:53:05 - 00:45:55:00
Speaker 2
What else did you need.
00:45:55:01 - 00:45:56:16
Speaker 1
From Helen of Troy?
00:45:56:18 - 00:45:58:01
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:45:58:03 - 00:46:04:08
Speaker 1
I don't know. Not to just be like in a maybe. Maybe I just. I just want more of her. Maybe I just.
00:46:04:13 - 00:46:04:21
Speaker 2
Wish I.
00:46:04:21 - 00:46:05:06
Speaker 1
Could that.
00:46:05:06 - 00:46:10:22
Speaker 2
But in the movie itself, like in The Worker mattered to his story.
00:46:10:23 - 00:46:34:15
Speaker 1
No, not necessarily, that's what I'm saying. But this is this is Nolan's pure focus for me, really does feel like it's on Odysseus. He's not worried about the gods. Athena is his conscience, which is not a like I from the epic poem like, no, she's a goddess who, like, admires Odysseus's ability to be smart and clever or whatever.
00:46:34:15 - 00:46:37:06
Speaker 1
So, like we're not getting into any of that. And Nolan.
00:46:37:07 - 00:47:04:10
Speaker 2
I've heard a lot of different on this with her is that isn't actually Hara or I mean, she is, but she also doesn't say, I'm sorry, but she doesn't say anything. But she is Athena, but I yeah, that could have been a little more. That's where I say, like, if you're going to if you want all that other stuff, you need more than one movie.
00:47:04:11 - 00:47:13:07
Speaker 1
Yes, you're right in that. And that's I think Nolan's focus is on telling his version of Odysseus story. So okay, but.
00:47:13:08 - 00:47:23:07
Speaker 2
But like for like normies like me, let me be like if we did Lord of the rings, but only stayed with Frodo the whole time.
00:47:23:09 - 00:47:24:02
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:47:24:06 - 00:47:25:05
Speaker 2
Okay.
00:47:25:07 - 00:47:37:20
Speaker 1
It feels like that because he's not exploring like Sersi at all. He's not exploiting any of the gods or goddesses, and they have much bigger roles and things to do and personalities in.
00:47:38:00 - 00:47:49:12
Speaker 2
No, let me ask you on that again, though. Do you think that and again, this goes towards the movie that he's trying to make? I don't think Zeus showing up helps that movie. I don't.
00:47:49:12 - 00:47:50:06
Speaker 1
Think no, it.
00:47:50:06 - 00:47:51:00
Speaker 2
Won't.
00:47:51:01 - 00:47:54:06
Speaker 1
Fit in this adaptation. Yeah, that's the thing. It wouldn't. That's why I.
00:47:54:06 - 00:47:54:16
Speaker 2
Just so.
00:47:54:16 - 00:47:55:08
Speaker 1
Then said.
00:47:55:10 - 00:48:08:13
Speaker 2
On that basis. Did you you know, it was like if you're just taking it as like his film and not what you were hoping, maybe it was, do you did you enjoy that or you can't separate the two?
00:48:08:18 - 00:48:30:18
Speaker 1
No, I think I can separate it because when I watched the first time around, I enjoyed it. I mean, I did feel like there's some again, like, heart missing. So maybe, you know, it needed a little bit more like the, the side, the periphery characters need to be less periphery at times. Maybe. But that's why I want to see it a second time, because I wonder.
00:48:30:19 - 00:48:45:03
Speaker 1
Yeah, I am thinking, was I too harsh on it from the perspective of the okay, this is the Odyssey. I wonder if I can now go into it a second time being like, this is Nolan's telling of the Odyssey, and it's a focus on the character of Odysseus.
00:48:45:04 - 00:48:56:09
Speaker 2
It's it's it's just a deceased. Yeah. It's his like emotional journey. Yeah. You know, it's almost like you know as much about these periphery characters as he does.
00:48:56:11 - 00:48:59:00
Speaker 1
Well, he should know a little bit more about Penelope, his.
00:48:59:00 - 00:49:21:02
Speaker 2
Wife Penelope, and Charlize Theron. Well, I guess technically not. If he keeps forgetting his memory. If he keeps losing his memory, yeah. Then you wonder, like, how much does he remember? But yeah, I did, though I enjoyed it. I found also I have I had a lot of trouble in tenet understanding dialog. Like said dialog. I did not have that issue here.
00:49:21:02 - 00:49:44:00
Speaker 2
And being that I was not familiar with the book, and they started naming each other and I was like, fuck, I'm going to have to not only remember, like the Greek character names, but I'm going to have to make it out like, like who said what and what name came up. And there was a moment of, this is not going to go well for me in like the first five minutes of the movie, I think.
00:49:44:01 - 00:49:46:13
Speaker 2
But then I had I had no, I had no problem.
00:49:46:19 - 00:49:51:18
Speaker 1
There was a moment where it was kind of like that, like, you know, squinting my ears, so.
00:49:51:18 - 00:49:51:21
Speaker 2
To.
00:49:51:21 - 00:49:58:07
Speaker 1
Speak, and I was like, oh no, is this going to be another Nolan? I don't know what the hell they're saying. No, luckily it was not. Yes.
00:49:58:07 - 00:50:13:00
Speaker 2
I think it's like when you were driving a car with your parents, and once you started getting home, your father would turn the radio down lower, like that was going to make the approach to the driveway easier. I never did like I'd do that now though. Also, I'm like, oh, I'm well, I'm getting home. I should turn this down a.
00:50:13:00 - 00:50:18:02
Speaker 1
Little bit. Just a nice little made out when you get into..
00:50:18:04 - 00:50:21:14
Speaker 2
Oh, okay.
00:50:21:16 - 00:50:24:03
Speaker 2
I don't know honestly. Good. Right I mean yeah.
00:50:24:05 - 00:50:24:16
Speaker 1
Yes.
00:50:24:22 - 00:50:47:18
Speaker 2
Let me I want to I want to throw something of both of you Ash and Nicole today wasn't that or yesterday it doesn't matter. Was announced that at Halloween Horror Nights there's going to be a walk around character, new walk around character, everyone's favorite movie. It's going to be Nikki from obsession.
00:50:47:20 - 00:50:52:08
Speaker 1
So that's a walk around character. We're going to have her, like vomit shirt.
00:50:52:10 - 00:51:12:22
Speaker 2
Like, okay, so that was this is where I'm at with that. When I heard that, I was like, okay, well, my assumption would be it's when she's got like just the bloody eye and like, we stopped there. We don't go further. She won't be wearing the other girls skin in her hair and stuff. You know, I'm sure we won't have that.
00:51:12:22 - 00:51:44:08
Speaker 2
But like, it's it's not like she's a final girl, you know, in a horror film. She's, not the heroine of the film because there is no hero really in that movie. And at the during the entire movie, she is essentially a character of abuse. This is a victim of abuse. Yeah. So I'm supposed to be like, selfie, like, I don't I don't get it.
00:51:44:08 - 00:52:06:07
Speaker 2
It's weird. I feel like it's a really weird thing. So I wanted to get your guys reaction to that. Also keep in mind, you know, these these shows, this will be in Hollywood. So I'm not sure I'm sure it's the same thing. But as I've introduced, you know, younger stuff, younger aim stuff. Stranger Things Fortnight is coming to a scare zone here in Orlando.
00:52:06:09 - 00:52:18:11
Speaker 2
There's been a lot younger of a crowd. Last year they had Art the clown going around as a walk around character. Art the week from Terrifier.
00:52:18:13 - 00:52:19:08
Speaker 1
Okay, okay.
00:52:19:09 - 00:52:42:06
Speaker 2
So he's like the murderer, you know, like that. Yeah. They had to change the way that he was interacting, being led through the crowd because people got to handsy and they got out of control. Now they're going to have, you would assume, a rather attractive woman who everyone is going to be yelling, oh my God, do you love me?
00:52:42:06 - 00:52:52:15
Speaker 2
Tell me you love me the most, like all that type of weird shit and taking photos with them and them having her within hand touch. I don't, I don't know, I.
00:52:52:16 - 00:53:03:06
Speaker 1
Just for a disaster. Unless you're going to give like, some kind of like PSA of like respect the I mean isn't that.
00:53:03:08 - 00:53:03:16
Speaker 2
It never.
00:53:03:16 - 00:53:05:12
Speaker 1
Matters, you know? Yeah.
00:53:05:14 - 00:53:16:08
Speaker 2
I mean, there is, but it never matters. So yeah, I just thought that was an odd choice. So, Nicole, would you want to stop Nikki and get a selfie?
00:53:16:10 - 00:53:40:06
Speaker 4
No. And it just it very much feels like. Like it just feels like. It's like, okay, how can we keep this going? You know, like, it's the exact opposite of what we're supposed to be taking from the movie. So it does feel inherently gross as, as you mentioned, like with Art the clown from Terrifier, I remember seeing that the people were just getting way to aggressive with their handling.
00:53:40:06 - 00:54:03:18
Speaker 4
So exactly what you said. I don't think that this is going to end well. And I also don't think I don't know how anybody could think that that wouldn't happen. Like these thoughts that are coming to you right away as like hearing it is like, yeah. So I also think that they probably just don't care very much and they'll, you know, see, see what happens kind of, and then just throw the performer in there.
00:54:03:22 - 00:54:08:04
Speaker 4
So I'm not happy with that because I think that sounds like a terrible idea.
00:54:08:10 - 00:54:12:00
Speaker 1
I'm not going to make this around her to like. I mean, if you.
00:54:12:01 - 00:54:35:03
Speaker 2
Have handlers, they always have handlers, but it's when then people want the photo and stuff and all that. So, yeah, like originally Art was out in the crowd and on his tricycle and, you know, taking photos and stuff. And then a couple of days later he was on the other side of the ropes, and he didn't come into the crowd.
00:54:35:05 - 00:55:11:17
Speaker 2
I think they used, if I remember correctly, they eased him back in maybe as the sing went on. But yeah, I just think, I think it's such a strange. This was my this was my equal to. It'd be like, what was her name? Sally. It'd be like the final girl from the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. But at the end, when she's, like, having a mental breakdown and just screaming, like, would you do a meet and greet with that character where she's just shivering and screaming and stuff?
00:55:11:19 - 00:55:17:03
Speaker 2
Yeah, but they kind of are doing that with this.
00:55:17:05 - 00:55:20:09
Speaker 1
That seems like they're just trying to pull on the younger crowd.
00:55:20:11 - 00:55:21:02
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:55:21:06 - 00:55:22:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, that's.
00:55:22:01 - 00:55:29:01
Speaker 2
The poor actress. Whoever does it, they're going to have to do that. They're gonna have to do the the face.
00:55:29:03 - 00:55:29:12
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:55:29:13 - 00:55:41:20
Speaker 2
Like for hours at a time. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'll be watching that with curiosity.
00:55:41:22 - 00:56:14:11
Speaker 1
But. So yeah, back to Greek mythology and Hadestown. Man, I love this show so much. I thought it had such a phenomenal job with shooting the musical. There were scenes that I thought if you plop them in a movie version, like a cinematic version would work, you would not know. This is a stage and this is a musical, live musical on stage occurring right now.
00:56:14:13 - 00:56:52:03
Speaker 1
But I mean, I loved my Broadway version, but to see the original cast, we didn't. Pete and I actually saw it together, so we didn't get to see the original cast. We saw it on like a number. The Run. Yeah, yeah. And it was so great to see the original cast. I fell in love with the musical through the original cast, through the original soundtrack, and so I was even nervous when we went to go see the Broadway show because I was like, what if they're not as good as the originals?
00:56:52:03 - 00:57:17:01
Speaker 1
Like, what if I don't make them as much? Like, what if I don't enjoy this show? I also like, I think, Orpheus, Reve, Carney's Orpheus. He hits the notes so easily goes up. He's just. I think he is a perfect Orpheus. Obviously he's the OG. They all are the perfect in my opinion. I think that these guys are the perfect casting performance of this musical for this musical.
00:57:17:03 - 00:57:21:11
Speaker 1
Still loved the Broadway show. Was amazing. Our Hades had like so much charisma.
00:57:21:16 - 00:57:22:16
Speaker 2
This was cool.
00:57:22:20 - 00:57:24:02
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:24:04 - 00:57:28:02
Speaker 2
So you knew that man had a large penis.
00:57:28:04 - 00:57:49:20
Speaker 1
Strolled around, so he prowled around the stage? Yeah. So there's one thing I think that I would have changed, but otherwise, I can't wait for this to come to. I think it's supposed to come to Apple TV in a few months, and I will be watching this like it's my religion on Sundays. So what were you guys feelings?
00:57:49:21 - 00:58:11:00
Speaker 4
I loved it, I mean, I, I don't want to like, want to say because it feels kind of blasphemous because, like, I do love theater. I almost feel like I enjoyed my experience more seeing it as a movie, but I don't know if and I really don't want to say that, but I am going to say that. And I think it's obviously it's a completely different experience that you can have.
00:58:11:00 - 00:58:33:19
Speaker 4
And I really did love the choices that they made and how they're able to use the camera and all that stuff that you're able to see. Like seeing Hades trying to not cry, you know, like, or if he's just singing his song when they are using the platform that goes through the stage. And sometimes we have it from down there, sometimes from above, it felt very purposeful.
00:58:33:21 - 00:58:43:20
Speaker 4
And I actually yesterday watched merrily. Why? Like merrily we go along.
00:58:43:22 - 00:58:44:18
Speaker 1
We roll along.
00:58:44:18 - 00:58:47:13
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, you still.
00:58:47:15 - 00:58:48:20
Speaker 1
Get so onward.
00:58:48:22 - 00:58:49:15
Speaker 4
You know, like.
00:58:49:15 - 00:58:50:15
Speaker 1
A long title.
00:58:50:19 - 00:59:16:08
Speaker 4
It's it's a lot of words was on time. So I, and I listened to you guys when you were talking about it. And I remember you saying to like, just like pull back. And I felt like there was, like, a really great balance and that there was the way that they were playing with the audience so that you did feel like like you were saying, like there's stuff that could fit into if you it was an actual movie, but that I was then always coming back to and being aware of.
00:59:16:09 - 00:59:45:20
Speaker 4
No, this is like in the theater. So I feel like they were perfectly able to have both, like the energy that you get from the theater, which is supposed to be, you know, makes it unique and different from anything else. And then maybe, but then then finding the moments where they use their shots, where they have someone in the background, like Persephone, like Amber gray, and seeing her, you know, like little acting moments that obviously like, unless you're in the front row, you're not going to be able to see in a theater that that's what you're missing out on.
00:59:45:20 - 01:00:10:23
Speaker 4
And I felt like emotionally to and it maybe it was because of the cast, but I connected with it a lot more. I really enjoyed it when I saw it on Broadway, but seeing it with this cast and the way that they were able to tell the story, it moved me more than when I first saw it, and I felt like the people that I saw it within the theater, too.
01:00:11:00 - 01:00:26:12
Speaker 4
It was, I think we saw like 1030 in the morning before it, like was out of the theater, because they kept kind of like extending it a little bit. And also there were three moments where the sound cut out completely, and there were two people in my theater with me that I could like. They're like, oh, like, this is their show.
01:00:26:12 - 01:00:34:19
Speaker 4
And every time that happened, they were like, no, no. Like they would go on. Oh, God.
01:00:34:21 - 01:00:52:00
Speaker 4
But then and then everyone, you know, we all did, clapped at the end. But I could see like, I kind of glanced around and everyone looked just, like, absolutely riveted, like watching it as a movie beautifully. Nobody was on their phone, you know, like it was. It was a very nice experience. So I, I thought it was great.
01:00:52:00 - 01:01:14:00
Speaker 4
And thinking about other pro shots that I've seen, it might be one of my favorite ones. You know, I did like Merrily We Roll Along. I then was watching again. I don't know if you guys are ever seeing passing strange was a show in 2008. It was such a good show. It was. It was a short run. But then the pro shot was shot by spike Lee.
01:01:14:01 - 01:01:36:11
Speaker 4
And that's an interesting one to I think you can see Falsettos. There's a few of the Sondheim one Sunday in the Park with George, the 80s, one with Mandy Patinkin and Bernadette Peters. You can watch that on YouTube. Like there's a lot of them where you can just watch it completely. But I am hoping that this becomes something that is more common.
01:01:36:13 - 01:02:02:02
Speaker 4
And I know you guys talked about that too. You talked about merrily we roll along merrily we roll along like that. It does make it accessible for people that maybe you're never going to be able to see it and have that experience that you have in a theater. And after I watched it, I did have that thing. When you see something in the theater two, we were like, man, the power of music, you know, like I walked over here and I was like, maybe things, it will be okay.
01:02:02:04 - 01:02:17:13
Speaker 4
Like I was just something about and those people together to maybe because they are the original cast coming back, you could feel that they loved it, that they loved doing it. And it was just I loved it so much. Like I'm very excited to see it again.
01:02:17:15 - 01:02:43:05
Speaker 2
Yeah, whenever it hits for like when it's physical 4K, I'll buy it for sure. I had a really good time watching this. As someone who enjoys the play a bunch, I thought this did everything right that I didn't like in real long. And Patrick Page, I mean, the fact that he had to do the show with the boot that he had to do, and he had an Achilles.
01:02:43:06 - 01:02:44:16
Speaker 1
He tore his Achilles.
01:02:44:20 - 01:03:17:21
Speaker 2
Yeah. Of all the things. Right. Just going for it. I thought it was really. Yeah. Getting to actually see these little moments. But then not exactly what Nicole said is actually what I wrote, like when I did my review, when whenever we pull in close and we get those tight moments, we were balanced out then with, you know, going, moving the camera back, getting to see the stage and see the audience react, which then if you pay a lot of attention to the audience, you know how many nights it took to shoot this thing.
01:03:17:22 - 01:03:43:02
Speaker 2
But you know, like that person wasn't there before, but that was a great balancing act that they did to that. The show itself is already so wonderfully lit that it really, really tends to. It worked so lovely with filming it because you just had to stick with what was already there, and most of the job was was done for you.
01:03:43:02 - 01:04:07:21
Speaker 2
But the way that they actually had shots that racked focus back and forth between characters and, and near the there was a shot where Morpheus is in the background and it's a, it's a small it's small range focus. But then Hermes foot like steps into frame and his shoe is in focused, and you follow him going towards Orpheus.
01:04:07:22 - 01:04:32:18
Speaker 2
And I was like, oh, we're actually getting to watch a movie, which was great. Had I just had a really, really a blast with this. And I looked at the director, and the director had previously done, you know, stage shootings of like staged but like, you know, shots of like frozen. Sondheim's old friends, he did a lame BBC show.
01:04:33:00 - 01:04:53:20
Speaker 2
Like he's done a lot of this Newsies. And I do think we're going to continue seeing more of this. Oh, Billy Elliot, I guess he also did. I think we are going to continue seeing more of this because of how much money it made on the cast. I have a little bit of a theory. The original came out in what was it, 2019, right?
01:04:53:21 - 01:05:21:21
Speaker 2
Okay. 2019, that show opened. This is now seven years later, I think, Reeve Carney. I think his voice has gotten better. He seemed to have a little more depth possible to his voice then I think is on the original cast recording, and it's because he's seven years older, and I think that his voice is kind of matured a little bit.
01:05:21:21 - 01:05:37:18
Speaker 2
And at first you would be like, oh, well, I hope that doesn't undo, you know, the childlike tendency or the younger adult tendency of Orpheus, but I actually thought that he was better in this than when I put it up against the cast.
01:05:37:18 - 01:05:49:12
Speaker 1
Recording even felt that way about, Ava Noble's orders performance. I don't know, maybe the two of them, just because they are now.
01:05:49:13 - 01:05:53:11
Speaker 2
Matured into both their voices. A little more since then, I think.
01:05:53:14 - 01:05:59:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, and I don't something about the performance. Maybe it's me projecting because they are married and in.
01:05:59:09 - 01:06:00:21
Speaker 4
Love now. Yeah.
01:06:00:23 - 01:06:03:13
Speaker 2
Like it's hard not to think about that. Yeah.
01:06:03:14 - 01:06:27:10
Speaker 1
But it's also I think that it brought a depth to what they were singing to each other and how they were interacting with each other that I don't know if I was, it just felt different. I was hearing something different, you know, and performance, I guess I couldn't have seen their performance, so I'm not sure, but but performance wise, like they were a very, very believable in love couple to me.
01:06:27:10 - 01:06:41:11
Speaker 1
And I'll be honest, I wasn't really feeling feeling the love when I saw it on stage between our our Orpheus and Eurydice is like, I don't know, your argument was acting her ass off, but I don't.
01:06:41:11 - 01:06:58:00
Speaker 2
Know, see her shit in the wait for me when she gets to belt at the end, she I apologize. I don't remember the actress's name. She looked that fucking bit out of the theater. She was incredible in that one. And actually.
01:06:58:00 - 01:06:59:15
Speaker 1
Don't play.
01:06:59:17 - 01:07:00:16
Speaker 2
What was it? I'm sorry.
01:07:00:17 - 01:07:04:22
Speaker 1
Myra malloy is who we had for you.
01:07:05:00 - 01:07:32:07
Speaker 2
Towards what Nicole was saying. When I got to the theater, I took a look around, and I saw a lot of people, and I texted my friend Walter, and I said, brother, I got, like, size people. And it was like, three neckerchief and four button vests. I was like, this is going to be a fucking nightmare. Like these.
01:07:32:08 - 01:07:59:08
Speaker 2
These clods are going to sing and I'm going to lose my shit. And he he was like, that's why I'm never going to see it. I was like, all right. So did they say against all odds, that place was pin silent during the entire thing, and then they were clapping at the end. It was it was really impressive.
01:07:59:08 - 01:08:20:14
Speaker 2
I had not heard I had not been in the theater that was that centered in. And there's so many very quiet moments in that play where if someone is, you know, whispering and this now you're going to hear it, not a whisper. And this place was filled. And much like Nicole, I think our showing was like, oh no, our showing was later in the afternoon.
01:08:20:14 - 01:08:40:03
Speaker 2
I thought, I remember, I thought I told everyone that was at 11 a.m. it wasn't. It was like 330 in the afternoon. But it's okay. We all figured it out. But, so we thought in the afternoon the place was packed and just nothing. You didn't hear a single person talking the whole time. It was kind of incredible.
01:08:40:05 - 01:08:49:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. It seemed like everybody was gripped by. By it. I mean, ours was a full theater on Sunday night, even at like 730.
01:08:49:03 - 01:08:53:07
Speaker 2
Oh, no. My goodness. Yeah. I wouldn't go there on purpose. Good for you.
01:08:53:10 - 01:09:18:02
Speaker 1
It was great. Yeah, everyone was great. I mean, you heard the knocking of the AC every once in a while, but that's so quiet. Everybody was. There were a couple of times where, like, we actually, I think the audience all felt like they need to clap, you know, when. And he's like, anybody want a drink? And there was like a few claps.
01:09:18:03 - 01:09:37:02
Speaker 1
Like, I could just tell, like the audience was all for it, and but we were all like, okay, don't clap, don't clap because we're watching the movie. So like, we're not getting any intermission. And so it seemed like the people who were there probably had seen the show. And, and we're just there for it.
01:09:37:06 - 01:09:49:03
Speaker 2
I wonder how many people, if I mean, it made it made a lot of shit. I mean, I'll look it up, but like, I wonder how many people did go see this for the first time.
01:09:49:05 - 01:09:49:12
Speaker 1
In.
01:09:49:12 - 01:09:54:15
Speaker 2
The in the theater? I mean, it must have been a ton because, again, unless you got yourself to New York.
01:09:54:18 - 01:09:58:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's in New York, so.
01:09:58:01 - 01:10:16:06
Speaker 2
But like, what I'm saying is that's such a small thing to be able to go see, you know, because you have to be at the right place at the right time, even if there's a traveling one and only goes to so many cities. So, you know, there must have been so many people saw for the first time.
01:10:16:06 - 01:10:30:17
Speaker 2
And I do have a genuine curiosity. So it looks like it has made $20 million domestically, which for a movie that what was supposed to come out for like three days and that was it.
01:10:30:19 - 01:10:31:13
Speaker 1
That's a.
01:10:31:13 - 01:10:53:15
Speaker 2
Crazy amount of money. Not everything is Hades town, you know, the wrong lesson will be learned by somebody and they'll they'll try to put this, you know, a thing. But, I like that this is becoming a norm. I think the next one that's going to happen with this from a stage show is oh, Mary, which. Yes.
01:10:53:17 - 01:10:57:05
Speaker 1
Did I see? The six is supposed to have one coming out like, you know.
01:10:57:07 - 01:11:00:16
Speaker 4
It was a trailer for me before. Hades. Tonya oh, yeah.
01:11:00:16 - 01:11:01:14
Speaker 2
You're right. Yes.
01:11:01:14 - 01:11:02:11
Speaker 4
Yeah.
01:11:02:13 - 01:11:03:23
Speaker 1
That should be interesting because.
01:11:04:00 - 01:11:05:14
Speaker 4
You didn't look good.
01:11:05:16 - 01:11:22:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, because I listened to the music of it and I thought, it's funny, but I think you might need to experience that show as a performance to, like, get a thorough appreciation for it.
01:11:22:06 - 01:11:36:18
Speaker 2
Well, y'all got six days or four days before that happens, because six is coming out in places August 14th, which is. Wow. Yeah, super, super.
01:11:36:18 - 01:11:42:14
Speaker 1
Like four days away. Yeah. I better get on that and figure that out.
01:11:42:16 - 01:11:45:14
Speaker 2
On that train real quick.
01:11:45:16 - 01:12:09:10
Speaker 4
I also like the fact though, to that. And I've seen discussion of this where some people like anti pro shot of things and they're like oh it'll cheapen it and then people won't want to see it in the theater. That I think it really would have the opposite effect. And there was a pro shot of falsettos. I don't know where it was a few years ago now with Andrew Reynolds.
01:12:09:16 - 01:12:27:11
Speaker 4
And they that showed that like after you were able to see the pro shot, so many people went to go see it. Then actually they were like, oh shit, okay. And then they wanted to go see it. So I love the idea that, like you're saying, I'm sure there are like a crap ton of people, that this was their first experience of the show at all.
01:12:27:11 - 01:12:53:15
Speaker 4
And the music. And I think that there's a good chance that a lot of them then will have that moment of like, oh, I want to get to New York. Like I want to see it actually, you know, like want to see it in a theater, which I think is great, and it's sort of like, I don't know, it's just that's a big thing right now to with her and Broadway and obviously expensive everything is and ticket sales are down and people can't, you know, people can't access it.
01:12:53:16 - 01:13:13:09
Speaker 4
So I'm always for it to because I think that people maybe too also will think like have an idea in their mind of like, I'm not a theater person or like I'm not into musicals and or maybe some even went with someone that they will like, know what it is and they got dragged along or whatever. And then they, you know, I'm sure there are people that walked out like, what is this feeling like?
01:13:13:10 - 01:13:33:22
Speaker 4
I was saying, what is this feeling that I'm like, exactly like even that which is like wicked was obviously a movie, but how many people maybe didn't know wicked? And then they were like, oh, this is incredible. She at the end, she's defying gravity. She's singing to us. She's like overcoming. Like I thought, like videos of just like random men.
01:13:33:23 - 01:13:41:16
Speaker 4
They were like, oh, this is great. I'm actually I'm like, you're having feelings, you know, like, this is.
01:13:41:18 - 01:13:52:10
Speaker 4
It's a great feeling. But Mary, I love Mary. I think that's also one that I'm so excited to see the choices that they're gonna make about filming that.
01:13:52:11 - 01:13:53:09
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01:13:53:11 - 01:14:13:16
Speaker 4
Yeah, I saw that one with with Cola. And then my sister saw it with me and she saw it again just now with mixed. Alder is playing there. Betty Gilpin was I didn't get to see it, but I love Betty Gilpin, so so that's exciting. And six, I don't know the music and I have never seen actually in theaters.
01:14:13:16 - 01:14:23:04
Speaker 4
So there is a chance that if I could see it in as a movie, that will be my first experience of it. So I kind of might want to do that.
01:14:23:04 - 01:14:49:23
Speaker 1
Then I'm going to try because I think I the music's okay to me when I listen to it, but I feel like I need to experience it as the performance to appreciate it. Like Hadestown is one of the few that I listen to the music first. Like, I usually don't do that. Like I don't like to listen before I go see the show, because I know that I think I have a deeper appreciation after I watch the performance and I, you know, I can appreciate the music that way.
01:14:49:23 - 01:15:10:23
Speaker 1
And then afterwards I've got all the catchy stuff in my head, but I was just I didn't know when I was going to see it. I was it felt. I found it very appealing. It's like write it checks is checks all my boxes of what I want from a story and music and a show and all that. And so I listened to it, and I haven't stopped listening to it for the last two years.
01:15:11:00 - 01:15:37:09
Speaker 1
I like I'm obsessed, and it moves me more than anything else in the world, but I don't think that that's not the norm. That's not my normal reaction to listening to the music. First of musicals. So I think I need to do that for six. But, you know, like I haven't we? I haven't lived in the area of the Tri-State area in over a decade or something like that.
01:15:37:09 - 01:15:57:08
Speaker 1
So the only time I'm seeing a show was like, yeah, I'm booking a trip. It's a purposeful I'm going to go see the show. So I've been trying out, you know, the new music halls, like I listened to, like The Great Gatsby because I was like, oh, I want to hear to do this. And I listened to the Heathers and Six.
01:15:57:08 - 01:16:19:17
Speaker 1
But like, none of them really stuck with me. Like, I didn't want to listen again except for Hadestown, but like, yeah, I've been doing that just because I'm like, I don't ever know when I'm going to go see this show. So yeah, like you're saying, like it is nice now that, hey, we're getting these pro shots of them and it seems like, well, I don't know, I didn't really appreciate the Merrily We Roll Along pro shot.
01:16:19:20 - 01:16:21:21
Speaker 1
It was very close like everybody was saying.
01:16:21:22 - 01:16:23:09
Speaker 2
But at least we have it.
01:16:23:11 - 01:16:25:04
Speaker 1
But at least it's there. Yeah, yeah.
01:16:25:05 - 01:16:26:05
Speaker 2
At least it's there.
01:16:26:10 - 01:16:26:22
Speaker 1
Yeah.
01:16:26:23 - 01:16:27:08
Speaker 2
Because I.
01:16:27:08 - 01:16:28:03
Speaker 1
Mean.
01:16:28:05 - 01:16:48:07
Speaker 2
Like that trip that you're talking about to go to New York, unless you're also in the northeast, that's $1,000 plus trip to go see a 2 or 3 hour show that you may not enjoy. Like that is a fucking. No one's taking that. Roll the dice. So the for the people who are like, oh, if they do this, people won't go to the theater, mate.
01:16:48:07 - 01:17:09:21
Speaker 2
They were not going before. They may now, they may now because they have a little bit of insurance of like, well, hey, I'm going to go see this thing that I really like and like actually, actually, I'm the opposite of you. I've gotten into the habit over in my life of I do listen to the music before I go to the musical, same as I read the play before I go see a play.
01:17:09:21 - 01:17:32:00
Speaker 2
But my reasoning is this I have a weird I have some weird hearing issues. Sometimes when choruses are singing live in front of me, multiple people at once, I may not be able to make out what they're saying, and so I have to have that knowledge beforehand, or I'm going to say, what the fuck are all these French people yelling about?
01:17:32:00 - 01:17:55:12
Speaker 2
You know, in Les Mis, you know, you know, or anything, anything, red. That's all, you know, anything for Andrew Lloyd Webber, because six people have to be singing at the same time for some goddamn reason. So that's that's why I've gotten into the habit of that. And I just love the idea that something that would have never gotten to.
01:17:55:17 - 01:18:17:14
Speaker 2
I couldn't tell you how many thousands of people, they just got to check it out. And for all you know, one of those people is your next, you know, whatever you've kani or something like they may have just never been, they would have not had the opportunity to be exposed to this stuff. Yeah. Unless it's for things like this.
01:18:17:19 - 01:18:44:04
Speaker 2
And so yeah, make that net wider. Like Berkeley doesn't have to be the only Broadway like Chicago exists, you know, and you have traveling shows. There's a lot there's a lot more area that you could fill in to to do this kind of stuff. And it's really wild now seeing a, you know, so many shows go from Broadway to the West End, I always feel like it was the other way around or something like that usually.
01:18:44:04 - 01:19:03:03
Speaker 2
But now you're having like the US casts go over there. And actually, if you haven't noticed, they also filmed them over there. I'm assuming because it's way cheaper than trying to film it in New York, but I don't I don't know how much cheaper. I don't know why that works out that way, but that's that's been a little bit of a pattern as well.
01:19:03:05 - 01:19:19:18
Speaker 2
So yeah, I just I hope it gets a physical release that's you know, my big thing is I hope it actually gets a physical release and be able to just watch it at home without having to pay forever for a rental. So we'll see how that goes.
01:19:19:20 - 01:19:22:10
Speaker 5
Oh no, I don't have a lot of do they have like a.
01:19:22:13 - 01:19:24:20
Speaker 1
Hamilton for kids.
01:19:24:21 - 01:19:25:22
Speaker 5
Yeah they do. Okay.
01:19:25:23 - 01:19:26:13
Speaker 1
Well maybe they do.
01:19:26:17 - 01:19:49:18
Speaker 2
Maybe it just came out like a month ago and it's it's stupidly priced but it is out. Yeah. And I mean they've put out discs for you know Phantom when it was lot you know the live anniversary show with Sarah bogus. I don't know if I was saying this thing correctly. You know, Les Mis obviously has had a couple of concert ones filmed.
01:19:49:20 - 01:20:07:22
Speaker 2
Sweeney Todd. They have one film that was with Of My God, British actress. Emma Thompson. Patient Emma Thompson. Thank you. So you know, they're out there, but not some of them get physical releases. Some of them don't. You know.
01:20:08:00 - 01:20:11:10
Speaker 1
I think Hades Town is possible is popular enough.
01:20:11:11 - 01:20:23:19
Speaker 2
I think it's a light up. I think I think they'll get that one. I think we will get that one. It might take a little while after whatever exclusivity maybe Apple TV has over it. But once that's good, I'm pretty sure we'll see it.
01:20:23:23 - 01:20:56:07
Speaker 1
Yeah, my one thing that I didn't love, absolutely love, is I find it strange that they don't consider the fates that they needed the original. I think they're such a crucial part of the cast that I don't know how they don't consider the fates as main cast, because, I mean, I checked even my, my, my playbill for the show, and they don't put the fates in, like the main cast.
01:20:56:07 - 01:21:19:13
Speaker 1
And I think that's strange, because I think they're so such an integral part of the show. So I was a little disappointed that it wasn't the original fates in this project, because I think that the original ones knock it out of the park, and I don't know if I felt the same way about these guys, the the London version of them.
01:21:19:15 - 01:21:26:05
Speaker 1
And I don't have a problem with the bridge. Okay. You can get your British accents. Women not.
01:21:26:07 - 01:21:32:20
Speaker 2
You have a three women in the play. It's wild.
01:21:32:22 - 01:21:40:15
Speaker 1
But I don't know, I didn't I didn't love these fates and no knock to them like they were. They were good. But I wanted dogs I did.
01:21:40:17 - 01:22:11:15
Speaker 2
It could have been available, you know, I don't remember. Probably it could have been available. It could have been a number of different factors. What's. So this actually came up a little bit ago. Let's talk with a friend of mine. And she had she had told me that originally there was no Hermes in the play. It was the fates who were more of the narrator's, which I'm not I don't know, I'm not I'm assuming she's correct.
01:22:11:17 - 01:22:24:01
Speaker 2
And she was like, oh, well, now I feel like the fates are kind of, you know, they're not really needed in the play, which I disagree with because they're the antagonists more, even more so than Hades. Like, you know, they're the antagonists.
01:22:24:02 - 01:22:26:10
Speaker 1
They're in Hades ear.
01:22:26:12 - 01:22:54:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. So I, I understand, like, it's good that they're not the narrator, because then I would be being told the story by the person who is the people who are outwardly trying to ruin. So my two leads. Yeah. And they succeed. So it's just too much down. Like, that's way too many, like, arrows in the chest in an already in a tragedy as it is.
01:22:55:00 - 01:23:12:19
Speaker 2
So getting Hermes in there really changes the mood of everything because he's sympathetic towards our characters, and without that, we really wouldn't have anybody to bounce off of directly with that outside of Persephone. And I don't think that would be enough.
01:23:12:19 - 01:23:16:11
Speaker 1
So yeah, and I think she.
01:23:16:13 - 01:23:17:08
Speaker 2
Is so good.
01:23:17:09 - 01:23:36:07
Speaker 1
He's so good. He's every freaking way he says every line delivery is, is amazing. So yeah. But yeah, that was my only thing, but totally great. Otherwise no issues. 10 to 10. Obsessed.
01:23:36:09 - 01:23:36:17
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01:23:36:21 - 01:23:44:18
Speaker 1
Anyone have any other finishing thoughts about all of our coverage?
01:23:44:20 - 01:23:49:16
Speaker 2
I don't know how Patrick Page hits that foghorn bottom note. He seems to be.
01:23:49:18 - 01:23:50:16
Speaker 1
I can do it.
01:23:50:16 - 01:24:29:13
Speaker 2
I can sing along with 90, 95% of what he does, but then when he gets that, can't do it. Even his I missed you. It's like it's three levels lower than what even I can consider doing. I hope one day that he somehow gets roped into doing Disney on Broadway over at Epcot, because he did originate Scar in Lion King, so we could do scar and he could do Frollo songs because he voiced him in the movie.
01:24:29:15 - 01:24:44:05
Speaker 2
So that's that's our end for Patrick Page, because he had you have to have played somebody in a Disney play on, you know, on Broadway. So but he originated scar, so that would be the gateway for that. And man, I would love to see that. That'd be wild.
01:24:44:07 - 01:24:55:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I remember being going to the show and like, well, we're not going to get a Hades that can hit those notes. Like, I don't think that's a thing that's normal. I don't do like.
01:24:55:09 - 01:24:56:22
Speaker 4
Even on Broadway.
01:24:57:01 - 01:25:19:07
Speaker 1
I don't think that that you can pick that kind of person. I really do think he's like a one of a kind. You're not getting him again. So I was very impressed with our Hades that he made up for it in in mannerism and charisma. But yeah. So thanks all for listening. I think we'll, we'll wrap it there.
01:25:19:09 - 01:25:23:00
Speaker 1
We had a plan for something next week. I don't know, I changed it.
01:25:23:00 - 01:25:23:05
Speaker 5
I.
01:25:23:05 - 01:25:23:13
Speaker 1
Changed.
01:25:23:13 - 01:25:24:05
Speaker 5
It.
01:25:24:07 - 01:25:26:09
Speaker 1
We because we missed a week and.
01:25:26:09 - 01:25:27:05
Speaker 5
Then it doesn't matter.
01:25:27:05 - 01:25:30:01
Speaker 1
So we'll figure it out. You'll find out when.
01:25:30:01 - 01:25:37:08
Speaker 6
It's up because that's how it's going to go from now. All right. Stay curious. Listening. Bye bye.