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Matt and Sean talk about bio-tech including possible blood batteries.
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Join Matt Ferrell from the YouTube Channel, Undecided, and his brother Sean Ferrell as they discuss electric vehicles, renewable energy, smart technologies, and how they impact our lives. Still TBD continues the conversation from the Undecided YouTube channel.
Today on Still to be Determined. We're grossing ourselves out.
Some weak knees in the Ferrell family. Welcome everybody to Still To Be Determined. This is of course the follow-up podcast to Undecided with Matt Ferrell, which takes a look at emerging tech and its impact on our lives. I believe it or not. I'm not Matt Ferrell. I'm his older brother. His older, more handsome brother.
Yeah. I'm Sean. I write some sci-fi. I write some stuff for kids, and I'm just generally curious about tech, which is why it's so lucky for me that my brother is that Matt behind Undecided. And look who it is here with us today. Why? If it isn't the aforementioned younger and less attractive. Matt, how you doing today?
Sean. Sean, Mr. Modesty, Ferrell. Hey, I'm just trying to get it out there. Yep. People are talking. That's what I hear. Word on the street. Word on the street. Have you heard about the Ferrell Brothers? No, I'm not talking about the Badgers that live under our, our porch. I'm talking about the Ferrell brothers.
Oh, Sean. Yeah. I couldn't help it. Yep. And how are you? I'm doing well. How about you?
Yeah, I'm holding on.
We, we talk about tech, we talk about science, we talk about advancements, and we talk today. Let's talk briefly before we get into the, the meat and potatoes of the main conversation around Matt's most recent.
Let's just visit the lighter side of vaccines, which Matt shared with me just shortly before we started recording. Uh. Men of a certain age, women of a certain age, let's just say people of a certain age start going to their doctors and then their doctors will say things like, have you heard about the shingles?
But we got a vaccine for that. Right? And then they give you the shot. And Matt, do you wanna talk about your most recent experience, which I believe is within the past 12 hours?
Modern science? Uh, yeah. Last Friday I got the second shingles vaccine. 'cause you get it twice now. And it's supposed to happen like within two to six months, you're supposed to get your second vaccine shot.
I put it off until the six month mark 'cause I did not enjoy the first one. I knew the second one was gonna be unpleasant and oh boy, Sean, uh, waking up in the middle of the night shaking with cold sweats in the middle of the night and all day yesterday I was just laid up and just like had a fever of 101.
It was like, mm-hmm. I was just sick. I knew it was gonna happen though, so you can plan for it.
Yeah.
But at the same time it was just like, whew. Right.
It is a different kind of sick because it's one that once you, I mean, you do reach a point where the physical discomfort of the shingles vaccine, and I, and I wanna just throw this out there, uh, for anybody who's younger than the target age of the shingles vaccine, the shingles vaccine is a powerful punch, more powerful mm-hmm than any other vaccine I've ever forgotten. Yeah. So the thing about it is though it lays you up, but because psychologically you know, I'm not sick, sick, my body is weird reacting. It's weird. You end up in zone where you're just kind like, I'm just kinda gonna lean into it and enjoy it.
Yeah, no, that's, that's exactly's exactly what the point where you're like, well, I clearly have the shakes. Uh, when I got the shingles vaccine, I've told this story to Matt. Before I woke up, I went to bed feeling like, I think I'm a little achy, and then I woke up in the middle of the night with a fever and shaking so bad.
I knew that if I tried to stand up, I wouldn't be able to stand. So I had to wake up my fiance and like shake her awake and say, I'm perfectly fine. I just need you to get me some medicine. Uh, and then once you get that point of like, you take a Tylenol or you take something to help with the fever and the aches and it wears down a little bit.
You can kind of just like lean into it and like, I'm, I'm really kinda sleepy and feel like crud, but I'm just gonna lay back and watch some bad tv and that's just have a nice day off.
Yes. It was an ex, it was an excuse to not do anything yesterday. Yeah. I just laid on the couch, watched a bunch of move bad movies and TV shows, just like I'm sick, you know, pulling my little cover up.
Yeah. So I was like, just enjoyed the day it was, yeah.
If only the price is right had been on, you would've been in heaven. Oh, yep. Yeah, so on we go to our conversation about our most recent episode. This is from our most recent discussion, which was from episode 2 75. We were talking about Quaise, which is the company that is developing a geothermal power drilling operation, which is the most shortened version that you could possibly say is it's lasers.
It's fusion, it's, it's going boring down into the earth, creating what is effectively a fusion sealed drill tunnel. Yeah. Uh, to get deep into the earth, to access the natural heat that is boiling beneath our feet. And when you go deep enough and you harness high enough temperatures. The power generation possibilities are, I mean, for lack of a better term, literally limitless.
It's just yes, a churning mass of molten lava, magma, if you will. So one of the comments that jumped out to me about that conversation was this one from I am B nine Night who. I am I thank you so much for your comment. We, every episode we say, jump into the comments, let us know what you think. If you have any questions, you wanna start a discussion.
You jumped in three days ago, worried that you might be too late. Rest assured, anybody who wants to put a comment in here, we're looking at the comments right up to the minute before we record our next episode. So it's a week later. So you got a good week window to get your comments in there. So I am writes.
Hi Matt and Sean. I hope I'm not too late for the next episode. I'm excited about this tech and from all the techy channels I watch so are a lot of other people. What I haven't seen anyone drill down to. Well intended pun, I hope yeah. Is how Quaise see these drilling platforms being implemented. What is Quaise's best use case scenario?
Can you paint a picture of how and where they see these being used? Would they be for industrial only and a remote areas, or could they power a city or small town? Matt, I'll let you handle the, the bigger take on this, but the short response that came into mind for me initially was this is effectively like any drill site where you're harnessing the power in that location, and then it's all about storage and then it's the grid. So you could have these located in some remote location near a city, outside a community, and then it just becomes, well, you're in your home, you turn on the light, and this power source might be one of the sources that it's adding to the grid. Is that effectively what we're looking at here?
I mean, one of the things when I talked to the CEO, A couple, I've interviewed him a couple times now, this might help paint the picture. Some of the places that they would be targeting are basically like, imagine a coal factory, coal generation that's being decommissioned. You drill right next to that site.
You already have the infrastructure there to put the power back into the grid. You've got a new power plant that just used to be coal, but now it's geothermal or used to be natural gas, but now it's geothermal. So this is huge scale grid scale powering cities kind of thing that they're looking at. So this is meant to replace power plants, essentially, but it's a technology that could be used anywhere.
So it could be used for industrial stuff. So it's like we've been reading all these reports about AI is gonna use so much more power that Microsoft is recommissioning Three Mile Island, the nuclear power plant. You could totally see Google and Apple and other companies hiring Quaise to build them a little tiny power plant off the side of one of their, you know, server farms. So it's like this is the kind of thing where it's gonna be for industrial, it's gonna be for grid scale use. But like in talking to them, one of the things that's kinda the selling point is that if you just repurpose existing infrastructure, it makes it super cheap or cheaper to kind of scale one of these up.
So take old power plants and the old power line infrastructure that's already there and just put up a new power plant.
That also has the advantage then of those communities which are hurting because of the decommissioning of a certain tech. Well, this reintroduces then jobs and Yep employment in the new tech moving forward.
Yep. So it's kind of a two birds, one stone. I wanted to share this comment as well. This is kind of a, uh, high level response to your channel. Yeah. In general, uh, it's a question. I apologize. I'm not able to read Arabic. So the username, which is in Arabic is not something I am able to read, but this commenter shares their response to the Arabic dubbing. I really enjoyed your videos with Arabic dubbing. Lately, the Arabic voiceover seems to be missing. Are you planning to bring it back? Many Arabic speaking fans appreciate it. Is this hearkening back to your channel's use of, if I remember correctly, YouTube's built in?
Mm-hmm. AI generated translation matrix, which would convert your spoken voice into other languages. Is that accurate?
I, okay. I'm glad you brought this comment in because a little behind the scenes, YouTube has a, had a feature that, or has a feature that they call, um, uh, like multiple language audio tracks or multiple audio tracks where you can slot in.
As many as you want for whatever language as you want. You can do it yourself. You can have a service, do it. I have a service that does it for me and I've been doing it for the past year, year and a half. I love it 'cause it opens up new possible audiences and people to enjoy the videos. YouTube. YouTube, uh.
I have a love hate relationship with YouTube. Uh, 'cause they tend to roll out new features in the creator studio for creators and create new feature and it breaks a ton of stuff. Well, they rolled out new features just in the past couple weeks that came onto my channel and myself and my producer Lewis.
We're both hating it. Um, it completely broke how analytics works and it's completely unintuitive and we're really frustrated with that. The other thing it broke was it removed my ability to put multiple channel audio tracks on my videos. And I have been having back and forth with YouTube support for the past three weeks now saying, I used to have this feature, please give it back.
And they're like, but this feature is currently rolling out. Not all creators get access to it. I understand this. I had it for a year and a half. You just took it away. Right. Can you please give it back? So I'm having this back and forth with them again and again. They're having engineers look at it so clearly something they did to the UI, broke it in my channel.
The way that it had been a, this multi-channel had been activated for my channel. That audio set up. Mm-hmm. It broke. I'm, I'm stuck in some kind of like, weird no man's land of not having access to the feature that I used to. So I can't even go into my older videos and if I had to make a correction to one of those audio tracks, I can't even do that anymore.
It's like, it's completely inaccessible to me.
Yeah.
But I really wanna bring it back so as soon as soon as it, as soon as I get it, I'll be putting these back out again. Um, I really appreciate the feedback. I'm glad that you're enjoying it and, uh. Just hang tight. I'm working. I'm more, I'm working hard trying to get it back.
Fighting. Fighting to get it back. Yep. Yeah. The more, the more improvements that we try to put in place. Yeah. Yeah. It's where I work. Um, we have a system, which is a, I mean from, from a high level perspective, it's a great system because it does a lot of great things, but it's old. And the company that makes it is effectively with, you know, it's a company, can't say this out loud, but you can read between the lines and they're like, clearly like, we're not gonna keep developing this.
We're now in a kind of like maintenance mode on this thing. So it kind of is what it is. So we have a team on site that is responsible for well, improvements. Like, okay, we have document generation and this needs to be changed to this new language. Like, okay, got it Chief. They go in and they add that new language in and then for some reason, the most recent time they did this, they were somebody without asking anybody was like, you know, what'd be great is if we just redid how the entire document is generated.
And they broke it in so many ways that it was, the work that we do is fairly complex. So you end up with, well, there's like five different categories that a document could fall into, and it all is based on who the recipient of the document is to be. So. They change things so that some language is missing from column A.
Some language, different language is missing from column B, C, D. It's maddening. Because now we, the humans who, of course the tech is supposed to be in support of us, we are now forced to like, okay, has anybody else noticed that this paragraph seems to be missing from this letter when A, B, and C are in place?
And like, oh yeah, I noticed that too. Okay, now we need to remember to manually go and add that until the next fix comes along. And it is, it's crazy making. So yeah, this isn't just, uh, YouTube. This is the house of cards that is technology. That's right. Finally, this from friend of the channel Baba Rudra, who says a bit more of a philosophical comment.
I do wish we had more pragmatic realism and less overhype in well everything, especially when that pragmatic realism is pretty effing impressive on its own. I couldn't agree more. Yes, and I think that that is something that we try to manage here on this program with our conversations around, okay, like where on this scale of rollout is this thing?
Mm-hmm. We try to say like, oh, this is a 10 year, somebody had a great idea and they're looking far down the road. Versus, oh, this is changing everything today immediately and in that mode on we go now to Matt's most recent, this is of course. The future of batteries question mark? In which Matt is taking a look at, like to pull back one notch from just the blood battery.
As I mentioned at the top of the episode here today, we are grossing ourselves out. This is
blood battery. Is anybody else dizzy in here? Is it just me? I think I need to lay down. I think I need to lie down. Down. I, oh, no. Oh, no. That did it. Uh, stepping back a bit, this, this episode isn't just blood batteries, this is more about biotech. Yes. Yeah. Right. It's, it's places where. And I think this is an a very interesting question because I came up with it.
No, I, I think this is a very interesting question, is the driving force here. Like, I found myself thinking like, who starts doing this kind of research? Who is sitting there just being like, I wonder what we could do with blood. Are you, do you wanna, do you wanna help me? Look, you don't, oh, I'm weird. Oh, okay.
I'll go talk to somebody else. Does anybody here wanna help me do research with blood? You do. Cool. Alright. Come into the dark room with me. Um, is the origin of this research actually the, hey, we are interested in battery tech or this other tech or that other tech and there are limitations to the resources, the ingredients that go into those techs. But biology has demonstrated, natural life has demonstrated a capacity to do in a biological level, all the things that we're trying to do with this technology. So maybe we just start digging into those areas. Is that where this comes from? Somebody saying, oh, the issue here is platinum.
So maybe there's a solution because there's this natural occurrence of a thing over here. Yep. That if we could figure that out, then we could apply it here. And then we effectively grow a medium that is then used in a battery instead of platinum. And I guess it's like both a question and a comment. The question being like, is that the origin of this?
And the comment is like wild parallel thinking. Like absolutely incredible. Yeah. Levels of, you know, you got everybody digging a, a tunnel in one direction and you got the one or two people who are just like, Hey, what if we did this instead? And they build a hot air balloon and get to the destination at the same time as the tunnel diggers.
Like what a, what a really wild demonstration of how parallel thinking can break the lock that is standing in the way of progress. So just your feedback on that general like sense of what this looks like to me.
That you kind of hit the nail on the head. This comes down to there are researchers out there that see the problems we're having pulling stuff together and it's like why are we trying to reinvent the wheel when nature has done it over millions of years?
And we can kind of if we break down, well, how does an octopus do that thing? Or how does, you know a gecko climb a wall like that with its feet? And it's like you figure out, oh, this is how it actually works. Well, could we replicate that in a technological way that we could produce? Oh, we can. So it's like, it's those kinds of, like you said, lateral thinking or parallel thinking of like trying to see what we can learn.
Literal think was the term I was shooting for. Yes. Lateral thinking. Yeah. It's that. Thinking about how other things have already solved this problem, and if we can figure out how they do it, then we can replicate it. That kind of bubbles through all of these different inventions and I on the channel.
There's a lot of times the reason I made this video is kind of a this, this video was kind of a passion project for me because it was like. We've bumped up against this again and again and again and again on the channel. Like there's organic solar cells, there's all these different technologies. It's like organic solar cells are basically replicating photosynthesis.
Yeah. So it's kinda like, okay, well, it's like, what about batteries? What about this? What about that? So it was like there, all these things keep bubbling up in our research when we're looking at other topics. And so I thought, why don't we make a video about basically biomimicry of like, look at all the different things that are happening around that.
In the technologies I typically talk about, which would be energy storage, energy generation, things like that. So that's what kind of spurred my kind of passion for making this video. But you hit the nail on the head for the researchers are inspired of solving problems we have with our technologies because they're thinking laterally of nature already figured this out.
Yeah. Let's figure out how nature's doing it.
In the vein of the commenters demonstrating their expertise in things that far outstrips our own in regards to doing this work, this comment from Wild Rapier who jumped out at me. Stopping chlorine gas where cathode meets acid from minute 7 27 in the video is a 180 degrees turn from what I used to do in a three megawatt chlor alkali plant.
We did monitor the chlorine gas coming off of our anode for any pass through hydrogen religiously. Thus the quarter inch steel blast armor around the gas headers. Of course, DuPont will have the membranes for any such battery. They have quite the niche. So, I mean, wow. Hat tip to you, you, for Yeah. Working in an industry where you needed a quarter inch of steel blast armor between you and the thing you were working on.
I,
oh boy,
boy. Like makes my complaints about like, they ain't broke our document generation really seemed stupid in comparison. Uh, I have to remember to add a paragraph to that paper. Yeah. Meanwhile, wild Rapier is standing there like, is this a full quarter inch steel blast or is this only an eighth of an inch because I don't wanna die.
Anyway. Is the kind of, is the moment that Wild Rapier is talking about here, is this kind of a it's a 180 degree return. It's an application being, it's something happening that is the opposite of what used to be. The goal is that what's happening here? Harnessing something that's a byproduct or something that used to be viewed as, oh, there's a potential danger here, so we need to mitigate that.
And now it's just embracing like, here's the, that is in fact the goal that we're looking for.
This goes right back to what you had brought up before the lateral thinking. You know what I mean? It's like. You look at this thing as a, I've brought this up, up numerous channel times on the channel. It's like, it's a waste product.
Why is it a waste product? Right? Like, is can that thing be turned into something useful? This is another example of that. So I don't know if it's 180 degree, but it's more of a rethinking what we consider waste. Right? If that makes sense.
Yeah. There was also this to uh, comment, which. Less about this particular comment and more about a vein of comments regarding what you said about electric eels and power and how much power electric eels create.
And pushing back on your saying like it's high energy or like, do you wanna talk at all about electric eels and what you were trying to get to, because I feel like by the end of the video you were saying like, well here's electric eels and the ways that people saw them behaving and what they're trying to do with it now.
And it felt like maybe there was a lost in translation moment from earlier video. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, like right near the beginning of the video, this is, this is my mistake, I shouldn't have put it this way, but basically I said, you know, an electric hill puts out something like, I think it's 860 volts, which is more power than a Porsche Taycon, right?
I think that's what people latch latched onto and. The comment that you're putting in here, which says, power is measured in Watts. True. But if you look at the context of my sentence, I'm talking about volts. Mm-hmm. It's, it's higher volts than a Porsche Taycon. A Porsche Taycon is on an 800 volt architecture.
Not more watts. Right? Not more watts. I was not talking about watts in that sentence. So it was a mistake in the way that I framed it. So it's like it's one of those, you take what I said outta context. Yes, you're a hundred percent correct, but if you look at what I said in context, no, I, what I said is gets the gist across just fine, but it was, I shouldn't have, it shouldn't have been just fine.
I should have been more precise in how I framed it and I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have related it in that way. I should have been more clearest exactly what I meant. So that's on me. So it's a little bit
like comparing apples to oranges, but that's because you weren't clear enough in talking that pointing out that you were talking about apples.
The, the problem was I used the word power.
Yeah.
So I said more power. It has more power than a Porsche Taycon. It's like power is watts. So yes, you are correct, but if you look at the full sentence, that's not what I was getting at. I was talking about literally some volts right before it. So it's, that's what I was getting at, is that like my car in the garage is a Hyundai Ionic five and it's an 800 volt architecture.
An eel puts out more voltage than my car. Right. Which is, it's still mind blowing to me. That's still really cool stuff.
Yeah. And the note to ourselves is to pay attention to the precision of our language.
Yes,
thank you for the comments from the people who were pointing out like, I'm confused, or This doesn't make sense, or this doesn't seem accurate to me.
So like, keeping us on our toes is appreciated. Finally, this, this is more of a, uh, indirect change of topic as far as like the nuts and bolts of what Jonathan is talking about, but it is about kind of the big picture of development and push to change industries. Jonathan Tillman writes, I appreciate great research more than most with Tesla's aluminum ion battery breakthrough.
Most of the application of this great research changes. One thing I know, if what Tesla is saying about their new battery is true, the lithium battery industry is dead inside of a year or two at the most cheaper, faster, higher C rates. Broad temperature ranges. No cooling or heating needed. It isn't tomorrow, it is here now.
So just kind of big picture jumping off quickly from Tesla and what Tesla is claiming and whether or not that is actually going to work, whether it's gonna bury the lithium battery or not. Just the idea that there are lots of avenues where there, it's the nut that's trying to be cracked. From my perspective looks like getting off of dependence on ver on hard to access ingredients, no matter which path that might mean.
There seems to be research in those paths. Mm-hmm. Do you wanna talk a little bit about some of maybe the, the aluminum ion batteries one you wanna talk about as well, but when it comes to like car batteries? 'cause he mentions Tesla. Talking about lithium ion as it's the main one right now, but what are just a handful of some of the other options that are trying to figure out a way to crack that nut that I just mentioned?
Well, there's man, there's a lot. I've made videos on a bunch of these, like there's zinc ion, aluminum ion, sodium ion, which of course lithium ion, uh, lithium iron phosphate. There's like all these different battery chemistries and where I would say to Jonathan, little nitpick, there's two things. The Tesla stuff is a rumor.
They have not actually officially stated anything. So this is all based on rumors, but aluminum ion is a really exciting area for where things are going. But as you pointed out, Sean, it's like it's not that. It's not that one of these technologies is going to kill the entire lithium battery industry.
It's like because the battery industry is wanting to find the cheapest materials. So it's like CATL and BYD, the two largest battery manufacturers in the world. They're not gonna be going belly up because they're sticking to their lithium guns. It's like, no, they're pushing for like CATL is going huge into sodium ion batteries right now.
Like they're pushing that hard because they're trying to see, they see like the, what is the cheapest material that we can make, the cheapest, biggest batteries that we can possibly make, um, as efficiently as we can. Increase their profit margins, be able to make more of them. It's like there's a motivation for these companies to want to go to other technologies other than lithium, other chemistries, I mean, than other than lithium.
So I don't see this as it's gonna make the battery industry dead. Like he was kind of saying it's, it's, it's going to evolve because there's all these different chemistries that are being explored because it's going to unlock so much potential where you could, you could, we could start talking about electric flight, you know what I mean?
It's like these battery chemistries are going to get denser and denser and denser, which mean, which is a good thing. It means that there's more energy in volume than there is today. So you could power cars that could go much further with a smaller battery pack or electric flight, they could actually take off and land without crashing because they don't have such massive batteries inside of them.
So it's like there's all these reasons why we wanna go down this path. And this is also, this is also another comment that I see a lot on my videos, which is they claim that I talk only about future tech that never comes to reality. Hmm. And it's, it's one of those, whenever I talk about aluminum ion or zinc ion or these different, uh, sulfur is another big one that's kind of got a lot of potential.
They're far more energy dense than lithium, which is why there's so much research happening around them. And it's, it's that old Wayne Gretzky quote of skating to where the puck is going, not where it currently is. And that's what I'm trying to follow in the topics I'm talking about. It's like, well, where, this is where we are today, but where do we look?
Where does it look like we're gonna be in five years from now, 10 years from now? It's not gonna be lithium, it's gonna be in one of these other technologies. It's gonna be, there's gonna be a spread, an assortment of battery chemistries based on your use case. And it's gonna make it more cost effective, more affordable, where home batteries may become just like part of the norm because it is so cheap to make these battery systems that can just be slapped into an apartments and apartment, buildings and homes that we just all have them and it just becomes part for the course.
Yeah. So it's like that's the, that's where this future is heading. It's just we're watching it kind of unfold in front of us.
Yeah. Did that answer your question? Do you think there's something, yeah. Yeah. Thank you Jonathan, for the question. And I'm, I'm curious, do you think, very quickly, do you think that there is something about our lived experience in the latter half of the 20th century that has built up a misperception of how many varieties of tech are actually at work in the background. I feel like you and I grew up at a time where it was just you put gas in a car. You go to a power plant and it makes electricity, the electricity goes through these wires, and we just have this mentality of, oh, well if you're gonna develop something new, then you're developing something new that goes and replaces that one thing in that one place, in that one way.
Yep. Are we trapped in effectively a kind of two dimensional thinking? Yeah, and the reality is there's a third dimension that's unfolded long ago and has been bubbling in the background, and we just don't think in those terms. So from a public perception angle, it's hard for us to see that the texts you're talking about, not only have places to land, but may in some cases have already landed.
I agree with that to a certain point, yeah. But I think that's true for. I think that's been true our entire lives, Sean? Mm-hmm. It's like, think, think about 95% of people do not care about what's inside the box of that thing that they're buying. Like you buy, 90% of people buy a car to get from point A to point B.
They don't care if it's a four cylinder, a six cylinder, an eight cylinder. They don't care what it is. It's like, does it use gasoline? What's the mileage? What's it cost? Is it comfortable to drive? Do I like the way it looks? Yeah. Uh, you're buying a phone, you're not typically thinking, most people are not thinking about like, what processor is inside this phone.
Yeah, there are, there are people that are, I, I am one of these people. Like, I think about those things. The vast majority of people don't. I, I have, uh, energy storage in my home from Enphase. Most people that get solar in their home, they're just talking to their solar installer and says, here's the panels.
Here's the battery. We're gonna put in your, your, your thing. And here's the warranties it comes with. Great, let's do it. They have no clue what the chemistry is inside that battery pack. They don't care. It's like, how long is it gonna last and how much money is this gonna save me over time, that's all they care about.
And to a certain extent, that's all they should have to care about, care about. There's just a small percentage of us, of people like me that think about these things and care about these things, and it's the people that watch the channel that care about these things. But the vast majority of people will never care as long as it delivers on the promise of what it's being sold for.
That's the thing that really matters. So that's where I kind would would push back on your statement of just like, I think it's more acute now because there are so many varieties of these technologies that are kind of hidden behind a thing where before it was like. You're not thinking about the compressor that's in your fridge, like what's the brand of compressor that's in your fridge?
There's more things now with. AMD and Intel and Nvidia and like all these different kinds of chips inside of things, and like battery chemistries, there's, it seems to be like there's, there's more variety in the technology today than there was when you and I were growing up, but it was still there. It was, yeah.
At the end of the day, the one thing I don't think has changed is that most people in the public don't care about any of it. Right? Just like, what is this product gonna deliver for me in my daily life? That's all they care about and that's all they should care about.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And it's also, I think there's a been a change in the fact that we now have, the component manufacturers are running ads during the Super Bowl.
They're naming sports arenas after themselves. And so we're like Qualcomm stadium and yeah. What's a Qualcomm like? Like Nvidia? Welcome to the Nvidia halftime show. Like seriously. Like they build processors and chips, like that's what they do. And it's like a, a graphics card manufacturer is so it's that is, that is new, I think, where it's just like somebody shows up and is like brought to you by your spleen.
I don't, I mean, I know I've heard the word spleen, but I don't even know what it does. What was my, what was 10th grade hit health class like, oh God. I remember I passed out finally this two, two comments that made me giggle. One from Snatch Tease who says The Matrix is here. The Matrix is now, yeah. It certainly did feel like that when we're talking about.
Blood batteries and this from Yen Steel who says Over my dead body. And the response being, I take that as consent, then. Yep. Watch what you say everybody watch what you say. Listeners, what did you think about this conversation? Jump into the comments and thank you to everybody who jumped into the comments last time around.
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