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Welcome to the Stacking Slabs, a podcast for sports cards collectors. There's been a tremendous amount of change to our Hobby over the last few years and the one constant has been the passion from the collecting community. Stacking Slabs is built by the collector and lives to tell stories for the collector.
Hello, and welcome to the Football Card Podcast. This is the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that is centered on football cards and, most importantly, football cards.
I'm your host, John, aka Pac Nicholson. And with me as always, Brett, mister stacking slabs himself. Brett, how are you doing?
I'm well. I'm going to tee as a career marketer, and we're there's gonna be a section where we're gonna talk about pickups. I'm gonna tease a pickup from the front because I have a lot of energy and excitement around this pickup.
And I'll just what's what I'm gonna talk about this before I talk about the card is what's fun is that, we'll shout them out because why not? So you've got an eBay seller. His name is and he's also on Instagram.
But Eric c fives cards. This guy, man, he just when he decides to list cards, he does it in batches, and it's always, like, sick stuff. Just stuff like Prism stuff, stuff you never seen. And I, I, like, bought this card from him.
It, like, popped up. I got a million DMs. Hey. Do you see this? Hey. Do you see this? And I was just like I was like, what's happening? When I saw all the DMs, I was like, what's happening right now?
And then I'm realizing everyone's sharing the same listing, which if you're a part of that, thank you. I I do appreciate, like, all the the DMs about there's never enough, but that drove my purchase anyways.
But the next day, I got a message from a collector who likes, and I'm not going to say this because I don't I'm not gonna they're gonna share their own card.
But they they DM'd me, like, that they had just got a card last night and unprompted.
And it was a card that they had been chasing for a long time. And I I was I, like he looked at the listing, and they bought the bought a card from Eric c five's cards as well.
And I was just like, this is great. It's just like one guy decides, hey. I'm gonna open up this treasure chest of cool football cards, and, multiple people, just flock to them and are making purchases.
So, that's I'm I'm feeling energy because it wasn't an auction that I was anticipating. It was just like this card popped up, and it wasn't cheap.
But I bought it, and I'm really fired up because it's it felt very unexpected. That's awesome. I think when a batch is released like that, a honeypot, some might say, a honeypot?
Yeah. Where are these honeypots that people are coming across? Some people just have them stashed away, and I wish I had the honeypot, to because it would make, you know, funding my own collecting very easy.
But, yeah, man. I just I I dealers get a bad name sometimes. Oh, it costs too much. Oh, they want oh, and, oh, their price is too high.
It's like, dude, this this card was expensive, and, dude, I didn't even think twice. They had he had me at hello. It was like, what do you want, man? Like, I want this card. I'm going to pay whatever you want me to pay.
I need this card. So I I love I love dealers who have great cards and who bring them to market. Shout out to all you sports card dealers, especially those who operate in the football card segment of our hobby.
Dealers and flippers get a bad rap, but they're like the bumblebees of the ecosystem. It's like, yeah, they might sting you, but guess what? They're pollinating this whole thing.
They're keeping it going. Like, the alternative to no flippers and dealers is all these cards are locked away in collections, and you never get to see them or never get the chance to get them yourself.
So what you know, a card being available like, the flipper vortex gets a bad rap. We've probably played a part in giving it somewhat of a bad rap. But if the card's in the vortex, that means it's you can see it, and it's there.
And if you really, really want it or have the means, you can go get it. So is it better to be in the flipper vortex or be in the, like, unknown just to be in the, you know, pre big bang in the nothingness, the emptiness?
Who knows? Yep. I'm I'm I'm tired of the hobby giving dealers a bad name. And so that's what we're doing here. We wanna elevate the dealer, and I'm excited about this episode.
I was looking at the cards in the format. I feel like this will be a good one to dig into. How are you, by the way? I'm good. I'm good. Today is Friday for our listeners of the pod, Thursday for the the Patreon members.
But, big big football game on on three big football games on Thanksgiving. One, personally, very big football game on Friday. I'm pretty good. I'm excited for the holidays.
You know, it's it's windy outside today right now here in Central Indiana. I don't know what's going on. It seems, like some crazy gusts coming through, but, you know, we're here recording episode 23 of the football card pod.
That's season two, episode 11, which but before we get into the numbers, because I'm just I have a question too about your current state as a fan.
So you've got the the bears are just on this, like, streak, and they're winning games, which you probably haven't felt this stretch of winning in a long time.
And then on top like, they're playing in this special game that happens once a year. It's the Black Friday game. And then they're playing this the defending Super Bowl champs.
So it's like who are also playing very well. So it's like I mean, dude, could you ride it any better? I know it's not gonna be an easy game, but, like, could you this is about as good as it gets. Right?
You get this Friday special against you get a really measuring test to see how good your team is, and, you know, if the bears can beat the eagles, then you're, like, on this you're, like, your aspirations are and even if they lose, it's not like, oh, darn.
Like, you're in a very good position right now as a fan.
Yeah. Playing with house money in a sense where if they lose, bears are still eight and four and still very much hanging around and in the mix, of a playoff spot. If they win, yeah, I'm ready to fully become delusional if if they win.
To me. So, yeah. No. It'll it'll be fun. It is has all the makings of, like, the greater public knows that Bears fans are getting excited, and now's here's their chance to watch them in prime time, which just screams a Bears collapse.
Or the Bears just getting embarrassed or, like and then all the discourse. But don't care what all the haters and doubters say. Bears are eight and three. I'm having fun. Episode 23. Let's get into it.
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Haystack. tech. Shout out Card Ladder and Haystack for being along for the ride this season. Yes. Episode 23, which is just it's interesting how in basketball, 23 is the the goat number.
I mean, you got MJ. LeBron has spent time in the number 23 as well. But on the football side, only two hall of famers have number 23. Wow. Yeah. Guy Chamberlain and then more recently, Devin Hester.
So slim pickings for for 20 threes for on on a hall of fame level, But, who jumped out to you on a 23? We we we live in this world of content, and, great content, like, gets burned into our brains.
And you mentioned Hester, obviously, who's near and dear to your heart. But, dude, I just I absolutely loved when the Hester Hall of Fame videos that they were sending with his family and finding out and, like, getting the jacket.
Like, that was great content. And maybe it was because I was, like, I haven't heard from Devin Hester in a long time and just getting to focus in on that.
But I just I love that to me, that's a mark of great content when, like, his name comes up in a conversation, it gets you know, it triggers something. So I when you said hall of fame and Hester, that immediately triggered in my brain.
But for '23 for me, I guess, current day. So every year and I'm like a 10 year old kid. Every year, I go to the Colts Pro Shop and decide to buy a New Jersey for the year.
It's, like, my thing. I I at some point, I'll document this, but the volume of Colts jerseys I have and the just, like, forgettable players I have, their jerseys, like, it it it would be good content.
But this year, he had been on my list and decide I decided to pull the trigger. I bought a Kenny Moore jersey. So Kenny Moore's 23. He's the Colts Nickelback. He's a side of the building guys. Got his picture up. He's been here forever.
He got cut from the Patriots, and he's just been an excellent pro ever since he's been here. He also teaches at Cardinal Riddle Ritter High School here in Indianapolis. Just a a really great dude, easy guy to get behind.
He's done Make A Wish type stuff. So I've always admired Kenny Moore as a player and a person. So he's the 23 since I'm rocking him this year when I go to the games. But I have to say, I had to put Ronnie Brown on this list.
I had to put Ronnie Brown on this list, not only for his, play in college, which he was amazing, but the most unforgettable game of the era where he had five touchdowns, where he ran for four and threw one against the Patriots.
I mean, that was like the video game of all video games and Ronnie Brown fits in this, like, two thousands football card products.
Like, do you see his stuff and, you know, finest gold extractors is SP stuff, like, ultimate collection. Like, Ronnie Brown is, like, such a key figure in, like, that era of football cards that I had to call out, Ronnie Brown.
I don't know if there's been a more memorable regular season football game than that wildcat game that against the patriots.
They just absolutely cooked them, and just the wildcat was such a moment. I feel like we haven't seen anything like that since where there's all of a sudden this new offensive scheme attack that just Bill Belichick was couldn't stop it.
I mean, granted, they got the revenge later in the season because all it took was just a little bit of tape for Bill to figure it out.
But, no, I remember vividly, like, watching those highlights being like, oh my god. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
Dude, I it's like it makes me think, why don't more teams, like, go into a game in the NFL with it doesn't need to be as extreme as the wild card, but some strategy that they've worked on that they have not shown and just, like, lead with it and see what works.
It's almost similar to, like, if you're a pass team and you look at the film and you're, like, you know what? They're kinda soft upfront.
So let's even though we're, like, a pass team, let's just run the piss out of the ball, and you just keep running until they stop it, and they don't stop it. And all of a sudden, like, the back has, like, a 150 yards.
Like, that happens a lot, but I'm always, like, why isn't there, like, more of an intention from especially when you're when you're outmatched. Like, when the team you're playing against is better, but you see a vulnerability.
Like, I've always found, like, well, an interesting way to try to win this game would be to execute on some offensive strategy that they they don't even know you have.
Like, that fascinates me. I know. I I'm sure there are answers to these questions of Of course.
Why. But because I keep thinking I feel like you always hear about the first 15 the first 15 scripted plays. And, like, after that, you know or, like, some quarterbacks are good at the first 15 and not the rest.
And why don't they script the full game is then, like, a common counter to that. And it's, like, why don't they? Like, if you can is 15 truly the max that can be scripted that, like, the NFL brain can handle for a game?
And if, like, we can't push that to 20? I feel like it's been the first 15 for the past as long as I've been watching football has been the same. So I don't know.
Or run the first 15 and then run it back. Just do the first 15 again. Like, they won't be expecting that. If I'm a defensive coordinator and play 16 is the same as play one, I'm like, surely, the next play won't be play two, will it?
Like, I don't know. Just or call the same play four times in a row, see what happens. Or if you have Jonathan Taylor, run the ball and don't not run the ball.
How about that? Like, you Get JT the ball, like, as a Oh, we'll talk about it later, but the the old Stike and Stinker game, we were waiting for it, and it happened. But let's not let this cloud up. This is employable start of the show.
Well, yeah, we're on 23 talk. Devin Hester, of course, I have to shout out Devin Hester. I mean, some of the most one of the most memorable runs honestly, his first two years in the league were incredible.
I think he had 11 total return touchdowns in the first two years. It was just every play he was getting the ball, it felt like he was gonna score, and then he was scoring basically every other game.
Then they put him at receiver, and his his return numbers dropped over a couple years when he was, no longer a specialist, which I always wonder if he would have remained pure specialist those couple years, how he would have, how his numbers would look.
But then another player, this guy Chamberlain, who's in the Hall of Fame, who spent some time with the early Chicago Bears, 1920 like, the Decatur Staley's, who then turned into the Chicago Bears.
I've been I've had a little fascination lately with the nineteen twenties NFL and the Bears in general.
So I just wanna talk I I wanna just do a little vintage football story time about Red Grange, because I feel like people have heard the name Red Grange, but just to kinda, give some context to why he's important in NFL history.
So at the time early twenties NFL was like nothing. Like college football was big but like professional football wasn't really a thing.
Like they're like again, these like manufacture plants would have their own like teams and they'd like recruit guys and play against other manufacturing plants, and kinda travel around.
Red Grange is this big college star, University of Illinois, wins the national championship.
Then after his final college game in 1925, this guy named Cece Pyle, who's like this hilarious character, kinda like a colonel to Elvis, if you're a music fan, like the colonel, how he kinda like signed Elvis, took him touring, kinda exploited him.
Well, Cece Pyle is this the what? Guy said kinda? Yeah. What? Notorious. Terrible man. But CC Pyle, who was a a theater owner and a sports entertainment promoter.
So he signs Red Grange and is like, we're gonna take you to the NFL and, like, make you a star. So he goes to George Hallis and is like, I've got Red Grange, but we've gotta, like, give him money.
They signed him for a $100,000, which at the time was, like, the a rod contract. It was, like, insane. Like, people were making, like, $10 a game, and this guy gets a 100 k. Hot dog and handshake. Exactly.
So he's this huge star. And then, like, once he signs them to the bears, they just go on what's called, like, the barnstorming tour where they just, like, hop on a train and go, like, tout or Ed Grange out and play football games.
And they played, I think it was, 10 games in, like, eighteen days. They're just, like, traveling around the country playing, and Red Grange blows his knee out.
He's never the same after this tour. But one of those stops the Polo Grounds in New York and play a game, and it kinda revived, like, this interest in professional football in New York.
So and then, yeah, Red Grange, he only played one year on the Bears, blew out his knee during this barnstorming tour, then he goes to CC Pyle, takes him to New York to try and start their own league and because, again, at the time, there's all these different leagues and teams popping up all the time.
But shout out CC Pyle taking Red Grange on the road, spreading awareness to football.
This is the football card pod, so we have to, you know, pay our pay our dues to the history of the game a little bit. I learned something new. I, sounds like you need a CC pile card.
I I need something. I'm just right now, I'm fascinated. 1920 Chicago, you got Red Grange and then Al Capone right down the street doing things. There's there's some interesting crossover right there.
But yeah. And then Arian Foster. Have to shout out Arian Foster as a '23. Just yes. The samurai. Legend. Few great seasons there with the Texans. But then I had to take a page must have had half of his touchdowns against the Colts.
Had to take a page out of from Chris Hodge, who opened my eyes to the being able to search on profile reference by jersey number and then filter by added value so that I can see who the highest added value player of all time to wear number 23 is.
Do you have any guesses who that might be? Oh, man. Who? Like you mentioned, twenty three three isn't a number that's just, I is it somebody who, like, wasn't traditionally 23, but then went somewhere and were 23 type of a scenario?
No. They were 23 their entire career. A defensive back. I'll I'll give you that. And, this was hard. Like, I hadn't would never have guessed this. And they started their NFL career in 1992, but they had a lengthy career.
But they are not a hall of famer. What team? Drafted by the Dolphins, but made a name for themselves with the Eagles. Somebody out there. Just saying. Troy Vincent. Oh, Troy Vincent. Yeah. That's number he's number one.
Wow. Number one overall, AV. Had a first team All Pro, five Pro Bowls in a row during that stretch. Just a Five? Five Pro Bowls. Five time Pro Bowler. Oh, how many All Pros? One time first team All Pro. I thought you said five.
That would have been stunning to me. Oh, yeah. No. Just just one. But, yeah. I remember him early two thousands, for those Eagles teams, the Super Bowl team and the n f NFC championship run when they were going every year.
Lot of intercept 47 interceptions in his career. So shout out Troy Vincent. Shout out number 23, episode 23. We have arrived. Should we talk about some new releases? Yeah. New releases brought to you by our good friends at Haystack.
You know, we're heading towards the end of the year. We're all just waiting, twiddling our thumbs, waiting for Prism to come out. So the the the drops haven't been as aggressive.
And I'm telling you what, man, between what what Panini has been doing just with getting these football I I mean, stuff has just been dropping, but it's it's starting to quiet down a little bit.
But there are new drops that are happening, and they are around different configurations. So I wanna highlight two of those, and one is Bowman Chrome Sapphire U.
So you've got the Sapphire version, and you've got the Mosaic Choice, which is the Choice configuration. I guess starting here first, not necessarily focus on the product, we can focus on the product.
But what are your thoughts around the different configurations that products use to release something that's already out, but in a new way? Like, are you pro configurate multi configuration, or are you anti multi configuration?
I don't think I'm anti. Like, I'm not against it. But, again, I'm a I'm a simple man, and I like, as soon as you start adding too many levels, I can lose interest.
Like, when I feel like last episode was talking about too many words in in a brand name. It's when it's, like, draft picks and prospects, it's like, no.
Just give me regular tops. So I don't know. I feel like I would just gravitate towards what is the original one. And then when you get these, like, added no huddles or, like, the choice and all that, I'm less interested.
But then I do know, like, those configurations normally provide a new Chase card or new some sort of new fold. So I don't know. I'm I'm not against it.
The only thing I'm against is the what's it called? What is the pattern that they put on there? I think, like, the fast break pattern where it's all the little the little circles that No. Thank you. That's no huddle.
Disco. Get out of here. Disco is what I was yeah. Like, it just looks like dried up water drops on the card. It looks like damage to me. I I just can't get behind that configuration. But everything else, I'm I'm okay with.
I I'm all I don't like that look so much that I completely disregard those one of ones as being a part of the like, they suck so bad, and I'm sorry if you I actually I've dude, I spend my entire life talking to collectors like this all day, and I've never met one person who loves those.
I've never met one. Yeah. I they're I don't know. I'm trying to even find what's the highest selling, like, disco card of all time. Oh. Oh, this tracks with Is it Zion?
Zion. 12/23/2020 for a $111,000. Somebody just buying something they have no idea about. For a oh, man. This is brutal. So a 2019 select black disco prism Zion Williamson rookie one of one PSA 10 sold for a $111,000 on 12/23/2020.
The current card ladder value, which is an estimate, though it might have the original one might have sold again. I'll look. The the current card ladder value is $1,500.
You're this is what we need since since we've brought up Zion. Maybe Zion should go play football, and he can have new rookie cards that gets hyped up. But in football, because his basketball career hasn't been successful.
And if Zion Williamson did play football, two part question. What position would he play, and what team would Zion be a great fit for? Oh, a tight end. Right? Isn't that the that's I think so.
Basketball players converted, always tight end. I mean, keep them in New Orleans. Put them on the Saints. That because that would be interesting. That would be fun. But that's a good like, just go to the NFL's aisle.
If it's not working, like, why not? Why not make that move sooner? I'm I feel like we're not far from a player who is very much in their, like, prime years in the NBA switching over to the NFL, like, mid career.
I wanna see that happen. And we the fact that athletes keep evolving and advancing and we have, like, less, like, multi sport players is interesting.
Like, we had Dion and Beau and, you know, it looked like that could be something that a trajectory that we're on, but I don't know. Now everyone's so focused on, like, one sport.
Like, these kids aren't playing multiple sports anymore. Brian Jordan, that's kind of an underrated one. Well, baseball and then he he was on the Cardinals and then he played for the Falcons too.
Oh, yeah. But We need a hooper going football though. Give me just like, if you're the, like, eighth guy on a NBA team, just go be the best tight end in NFL.
I I I haven't like, on the same wavelength, dude, I have been thinking about this. Do you remember the narrative around Kyler Murray almost being a baseball player and how good it fit? I'm like, dude, why don't you go play baseball now?
Like like like, I can't stop thinking about I think, like, maybe the a's own his rights or something, but it's like, dude, you should just go you should just go like, you don't have to be the guy there.
You can just be one of the guys. You can play your video games.
You can be really good, and you just kinda like he's kinda like a wallflower. You can just chill out and, like, play center field, you know, lead off, hit, do what you gotta do, but I feel like baseball might be more up Kyler's speed.
I don't know. Yeah. It wasn't no. He wasn't like a pitcher, was he? Or was he like a I think he played in that because I think he was like a I could be wrong. Like, I'm thinking center field or somebody knows out there. But Yeah. Yeah.
No. I mean, yeah, it's looking a little more he was a shortstop and a second baseman. Okay. Yeah. That that tracks. Go play baseball, Kyler. Come on. New rookie cards. New rookie cards. New everything. I need to see a crossover player.
That I would collect them so fast. And then imagine you could we yeah. We just need a two sport player like Dion. Imagine, like, having same card, same parallel, but of the different sports and, like, them both being playing years.
Like, if someone had, like, a twenty twenty five prism gold in football and basketball, that'd be awesome. But Beau Jackson was was really like the he was the the example before before he got hurt.
But I just you know, man, I Beau Jackson, I'll remember I remember vividly being a kid growing up in, like, obviously, you have Beau and Techmo Ball on the Raiders.
And even before he moved over to the White Sox, like, I always remember, like, his Raiders like, the Raiders' aura of Beau Jackson definitely felt like it had more, like, this, mystique than hit the Royals Bo Jackson version.
And I just I just remember, like, that being, like, mind blowing as a kid that a guy could do both. Bo Jackson has an NFL record, as according to our good friends at Wikipedia, most career rushes of 90 plus yards.
He has two He owns that record? He has two of them. No one else, I guess, has more than one ninety plus rush which seems I don't know if I don't know.
I know, like I feel like Arman Green did it twice. That's so there's that just shows you how I mean, Tayl was Taylor's a 90 yard this year?
What's the the he owns that was still 86. It was like 80 something. Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay. Amman Green. I knew it. He had a 98 yard touchdown run-in o three, and he had a 90 yard touchdown run-in four. So he Come on, Wikipedia.
Oh, and I'm on it must be a shared record. He doesn't own it outright. Oh, yeah. Tied with Derrick Henry, I'm on green, Chris Johnson, and Lamar Miller. Lamar Miller. But dang. Oh, so five players have done it twice.
That's pretty that's pretty cool. The I was gonna get to this later, but I'll it makes sense right now. But the new NFL, like, kickoff rules have just really prevented stuff like that from ever happening.
Like, yep. The NFL kickoff is just a wild card now. Like, when I'm watching it, I have no idea what's gonna happen. Is my team gonna start at the 40, or are they starting in, like, inside the 20?
Like, there's just no and I'm still I feel like I don't fully know the all the touchback rules. Because sometimes the touchback goes to 20, sometimes it goes to 35.
But it's like if they if they field it in the end zone as a right? Like, isn't it different if they, like, kneel it in the end zone versus if the ball goes out of bounds through the end zone?
Or if Yeah. There's it's there's it's there's so many different ways to okay. Here's the question. Do do you like the the the dynamic kickoff more than what was happening or less?
I think it's become a play that I have to pay attention to now because 100%. We went through a couple years where it was just, like, touchbacks every single time.
And then, like, they're still tinkering with it. But I like it for my team because I'm, like, chances are we could start at, like, the 35 or the 40. That's great. But also the risk of fumbling is a lot higher.
The risk of fumbling is higher. And then but it's just any team can get in a field goal range if they have to in, like, twenty seconds. Yes. If twenty seconds in a time out, like, your kickoff is probably coming to 35.
You just need, like, one chunk play and you're in range. So it's like then in all these bears close games when they take a late lead, I'm always like, well, it doesn't matter. This team can kick a field goal in twenty seconds.
I I, I I certainly don't like to bring this up in the Football Card podcast, but when there's crossover between NFL coaches and politicians on a topic, I feel like it's worth presenting.
And I don't know if you saw this at all, but, when Trump was in Washington in being interviewed or whatever, he made some comment about the the the the new kickoff, the dynamic kickoff, like, was terrible for the game, and it was bad.
And the the Chiefs specialist special teams coach, David Taub, who has literally been there forever. The Colts actually interviewed him when they hired Frank Reich.
But I just love this from a a football coach perspective. Is Taub is he's 63. He he's quoted. He says when asked about his comments, he said, this is a guy who's just studied, you know, special teams forever.
Like, I I wish I would've looked how many years he's been there. He say he says he doesn't even know what he's looking at. He has no idea what's going on with the kickoff rule.
Take that for what it's worth. I hope he hears it, and I just thought that was so funny where you've got a special teams coach cutting a promo on the president of The United States because of the dynamic kickoff.
I was like, what a world we live in. Oh, god. Cutting a promo. That's so good. I mean, Trump is does Trump know ball? I mean David Top says he doesn't know ball, but I think Trump thinks he knows ball.
So that's a it's a whole another story for a whole another day. I did love, Trump on Shador Sanders, his recent post. Shador Sanders was great. Wins first game, career start as a pro for Cleveland.
Great genes. I told you so. This is becoming dude, we have a Deion Sanders card to talk about. I feel like this is even even though this is episode 23, this is becoming like the Deion Sanders episode. We're talking about his kid.
We're he's been brought up so many times already. I know. Deion, baby. That's good stuff. Anything else on new release? Final final thing is the fact that you get the one of ones, and I will say this, what I like about it.
Like, I like the mosaic that comes out of or excuse me, the nebula, which comes out of the choice, which is a good thing, I think, but and then I'm gonna try this.
Pod Parasha, there we go, is the sapphire, and that's the that's the one of one out of sapphire. So you're getting a different look, out of the different configurations.
So I think if you're, like, a one of one collector, different configurations, especially if they're producing one of one, non disco ball, water drops are a good thing.
I had never heard of that, Sapphire Parallel. Pod Parasha? Oh, you haven't? No. It's yeah. It's impossible to say. It's in baseball, but, yeah, it's kinda like, it's like pink magenta ish. Wow. That's a choice to I like that.
I'm not mad at the It's not bad. Yeah. What was the question? Sorry. I was just No. I'm there there was. Yeah. The the there was no question, and I just want to thank Haystack for sponsoring the new release section.
That was we got in the weeds on that one. Yeah. That was good. Alright. Market watch, though. Let's talk about some sales. Shout out card letter for bringing the, market watch to life.
We appreciate you. And why not start off with a bang? We're talking bears. We got a a bears card. Oh, well, half and half. And we'll call this a, NFC North card. How about that?
You've got the 1999 Donris Elise Elite Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Passing the Torch, dual auto in a PSA 10. This thing was sold on eBay through MC Sports Cards. There's 10 PSA tens. This thing sold at auction for $43,100.
Two of the best running backs of all time, undisputed, could be one a, one b, whatever you wanna however you wanna rank them. But to get both of them with their on card auto and a PSA 10, passing the torch from Elite.
What do you think about this card and the sale? Awesome card. Awesome sale. The one like, I it's almost a shame I can't see the berry side though.
It being like the the two sides, I think, is tough for a card where if you wanna display it, you're almost disrespecting one of these legends. Like, someone going on the back.
But, no, this card is awesome. This is from that era. I think I talked about it kind of recently, like in '99, there were a bunch of different sets that have Peyton autos and definitely would want to get, some sort of Peyton auto.
I don't think I can ever spring for this one, nor would I necessarily want to.
I'd keep the focus on Walter, but it did get me thinking, like, I love when a dual auto or a triple auto, like, hits on all the the signees. Like, everyone goes on to become a legend or, you know, the prophecy is fulfilled.
But it is always funny when, like, two out of three hit or or, like, you'll have, LeBron, Wade, and Darko or, like, in football, you know, just two of the people become legends, and then there's that third that never pans out.
So my question, if you had to create a custom dual, like, passing of the torch auto between between Colts or between anyone, who what would you make?
Okay. So there is a Manning and Unitas, and I think there is a Manning and Luck that came out later. Mhmm. So, like, the ones you'd think exist already exist, I I believe.
And I'll I'll answer your question. But on this if on the multiple autograph, one doesn't look like the other. It's one of my favorite favorite topics in all of sports cars even though I don't really collect autographs.
But, dude, if you want gems of this, go look at old ultimate collection. That is where you'll find the best configurations of these. Dude, you'll find, like, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, and, like, Brody Croyle.
Like like stuff like like Damon Heward with Joe Montana. It's like, oh, gosh. That's so funny. But let's see here. You know, how you what what about here's a passing the torch I want, and this may be inspired by it.
And also because there was a package before the game with my man, Edge, just leading the charge even though, like, Shane Steichen decided, no.
We're not gonna watch this package, and Edge getting us excited about Jonathan Taylor. But give me a Edron James and Jonathan Taylor passing the torch, especially since Taylor's breaking all of Edron's records right now.
That'd be a cool one. What about you? You could turn into the triple with Falk too. Good. Yeah. There are some Hey. Hey. If you do a quad with Eric Dickerson.
Colts? Colts? Are the Colts running back you? They they got they got some guys. There is a 2012 Panini Elite passing on the torch Manning Luck dual auto that looks just like this card. That's what I thought.
But looks like Manning is a sticker auto, but they do have some NT dual on card autos, Manning and Luck, that are pretty sick looking. I had one from an upper deck product. It was a one and done. It wasn't museum. Was it upper deck? No.
It's tops definitive. 2050. Topps definitive. It was a one and done product. I had, a Manning and Lock dual out of 10 a long time ago, both on card. It was a it was a sweet card, but, you know, I'm not an autograph guy. So I had to go.
But yeah. What would your pick be? I think it would be cool to have a something from maybe the Super Bowl team, like, Grossman, Hester, Tillman, Grossman, Hester, Urlacher, or, like, Cutler Marshall Forte is just a trio I love.
And having those three guys on one card could be cool. Or then if you wanna go the passing of the torch, give me a cutler to Caleb. Jay Cutler, Caleb Williams. I wouldn't I'd be into that.
They need to do some content together. They do. I'd walk I would I would watch that chat for sure. Yeah. I there was a funny radio hit that Cutler was on of, like, one of the Chicago radio is talking about Caleb.
This was before the season, but they were talking about, Kayla potentially breaking Jay's record or, like, being the first to throw for 4,000 yards, and you hear Jay Cutler's son in the background.
He was like, you never threw for 4,000 yards, dad? And he's, like, kinda roasting him a little bit. It was a it was a good moment.
But, another thing on the the passing yard front, again, with these drives always starting at, like, the 35, I feel like passing numbers are are going down, the league a little bit. There's some ramifications for sure.
Yeah. But, yeah, Cutler, Caleb, get get in the booth. Do something. Alright. Here's our guy, the man of the hour, prime, twenty ten National Treasures, Deion Sanders, NFL shield, one of one, BGS nine in the Cowboys gear.
This thing I can't tell from the photo if that is a sticker or on card. What do you what would you say? Do you think that's that's on card? I think it's a sticker. You think it's a sticker? It's a sticker.
I can kinda see the outline. It's a good sticker, though. There's there's levels to sticker on us. And I'll tell you what, I would say that would you this is probably a 5 or $6,000 card if it's a nonsticker when you think.
Yeah. For sure. The shield, yes. This sold for 3,661. Definitely a cool card if you're a shield collector, obviously.
You know, I've been I've been, kind of digging up some prime stuff, and it's always hard to, like, place Deion Sanders because of the multiple teams he played for in the years and the eras.
But he's a he's wearing cowboys gear in this one.
But that that year he had with the forty niners, though, was just unbelievable. So I don't know. I don't know any Deion Sanders collectors out there, but feels like he would might be a fun catalog to dig into.
And probably a lot of the stuff is going to be post playing day stuff, but I do know he's got a lot of cool post playing day stuff.
I'm thinking about, like, there's one year he's in Prism where he's, like, in falcon's gear, and he's got, like, the red falcon's helmet on, and it just looks awesome. So he'd be a fun, like, post playing day guy to collect.
And I think any rules you have against that I talk about Montana being the example a lot. I think prime prime although he did have a very lengthy career and is in some of the sets and, like, Raven stuff.
But, Yeah. Deion Sanders, what do you have to say? He's been the top topic of this conversation. Yeah. I do have to say I Diggs underscore cardboard underscore on IG.
Great Deion collector. Okay. Some sick prime stuff. Yeah. I I feel like I I wanna look up because, yes, he was only with the Niners that one season. It was unbelievable that he was unreal that season.
Defensive player of the year in 1994. Yeah. And then, yeah, coming back to Baltimore, that was legendary. What year was that? He came back in o four. So he was I did not realize he went to the Redskins in 2000.
Dude, he played for everybody in the NFC East or no. He he didn't play for the Giants or the Eagles. He played. Yeah. Okay. But he did. I he played for the big like nineties teams like Washington, Dallas, San Francisco Yes.
And then Atlanta and Baltimore. Yes. Six time first team all pro, eight time pro bowler, two time Super Bowl champ. Did he wanna work here? Defensive players of all time. Right. And then did he win a World Series?
I think yeah. I mean, I know he, like, made an all star in baseball. He there there there's going to be a prime movie. It's going to be whatever. Yeah. It has to be. And you know what the title of that made a world series appearance.
That's right. You know what the the movie's gonna be called? Prime. Prime. That's it. Yeah. Shout out Shout out, Dion. Get Logan Paul to fund it. Oh, that now we are cooking with gas. Alright.
Shout out Logan Paul. By the way, I'm a I'm a reg I'm a professional wrestling degenerate. Dude, for everything I thought about Logan Paul as a person and just the YouTuber, dude, he is like one of the he it's like a duck to water.
You wanna talk about a professional wrestler. He is unreal. Like, unreal in ring, unreal on the microphone. He he was built to be in the WWE, which is fun.
And to be a heel. Like, I love a good heel. So Yes. Logan Paul is the ultimate heel. We're moving on to the twenty fifteen prism Tom Brady b g s 10 wide sparkle selling at auction Fanatics for $13,200.
Why I wanted to bring this up is because it is the debut year of Wide Sparkle in 2015. 2015 is just such a it's such a great year, testing ground, doing a lot of different things, but I always love the look of 2015 stuff.
And I don't know if we've talked about White Sparkle at all on here, but the debut year, man, it's getting some acclaim and credibility here with a $13,000 sale. What do you say about the white sparkle of it all?
Well, this is already informative because I was gonna ask you, like, explain to me, like, I'm five white sparkles. Like, when did they start? How do you get them? Are they in hottie boxes, or they're only in these white sparkle packs?
Yeah. White sparkle packs, which I believe are rewards redemptions, I think is how it worked, and they give you a pack of three, I believe cards, and they would be these white sparkle cards.
Yeah. On the trading card database checklist, it says, yes, Panini rewards.
So that's cool. And do we know, like, about print runs on these kind of is there any sort of rumors? I always I always view it as kinda like 20 or less, I think. It could be more, but that's always what it's been in my mind.
Yeah. I mean, Brady White Sparkle 2015, there's only five sales ever that come up on card ladder. So The total population of seven between BGS and PSA. That's crazy. That those are cool looking cards. They are.
And I I have I've owned I have I've I've got rid of them to make space, but I've I've built the runs of a lot of different Colts players and ended up selling them, just because I I when you're trying to complete and do this, I just didn't need another thing.
I was like, alright. But they are cool. I you they're very nice cards. I'm a big white sparkle. Like, I think they're cool looking out of all of the different aesthetics and parallels that Panini's produced.
This is definitely one that I can it can I can see why they will will gain esteem over, you know, the long run is because they're unique too? It's like, you know, you got the pylons, which are the auctions with these.
You got the packs. It's it's an interesting wrinkle. Yeah. If they were numbered, do you think they would have survived consolidation for you? Because, like, the No. No. No. No. No. No chance. Nope. Yeah. Isn't that weird?
Like, to know because it doesn't have a number, it makes me insecure. Like, it it it adds insecurity to it. It's like, I just need that little stamp that, like, actually tells me how many of these exist. I know. I'm a I'm a simple guy.
Less words. Stamp it with numbers. Make it easy for me to understand. I need manufactured scarcity in my life. But, like, that that cool that card is cool. Like, it's a great shot of Brady. Oh, yeah. A white border.
It's a cool looking card with the white numbers, like, white towel. It's sick. No. Like, this is the closest we've gotten to a white finite, which is something that the card podcast has been clamoring for. So this it is interesting.
There's not more parallels that are based in white or involve the white. I feel like you get purple power, purple pulsar, purple cracked ice, but, you know, like, you get all these other variations, but, give me the white finite.
Come on, baby. Figure it out. Hey. We got one more release, so you might be surprised. Wow. Yeah. Alright. What's next?
We've got the '97 Skybox premium, Trail Davis, Rubies, PSA eight. There's been six public sales of this card. This one sold at auction for $3,960. We talked about this rubies and the 97 rubies and how they're really cool and sick.
But, like, I saw this sale, and I was like, we gotta talk about this card because you it's you've got the perfect alignment between Davis and his breakout season, where he's a Super Bowl MVP, led the league with 1,750 yards rushing 15 touchdowns, NFL leader in both categories.
And then he's in he's he's also in this Ruby's, like, debut here.
So it's just, like, for me, it's if if money wasn't a thing and I could just buy whatever I wanted, I would, like, look at this card and be like, that parallel rules, of course.
'97 it's like when I think when I think about Charles Davis, I think about '97.
And then it's just all of these things align with it. So if I were a Broncos collector, this would be like a I have to have type card because it looks so cool.
But yeah, man. Sick card and that that, like, nostalgia of what remembering Trell Davis become Trell Davis in '97 is very burned into my brain.
Yeah. And I have to just shout out his playoff stats in that '97 run. So in four games, he had 619 scrimmage yards, eight touchdowns.
So on his way to a Super Bowl MVP. So eight touchdowns in four games. Just a massive run. He did have four fumbles, though, in the playoffs. That's Come on, TD. That's it. What are you doing?
Hold on to the ball. Tuck it. And then, his numbers the next season in '98 when they won the Super Bowl, they only played three games because they had a buy, and he still ran for 468 yards and three touchdowns in those three games.
That's a 156 yards a game average. So yeah, this card is awesome. I remember there was a fleeting moment when I thought about collecting TD because I like Priest Holmes for all the same reasons as Mhmm.
Trell Davis of, like, unreal three year run granted Trell Davis has the Super Bowl MVP and the regular season MVP.
But, yeah. And I kinda wish I would have because then you see, like, this price has, like, tripled since o three, based on those recent sales, but it all comes back to he wasn't my guy.
So I just couldn't, it never felt right to, to start buying them, but, awesome card, awesome player.
He's, he's someone that makes would be so fun to collect. He's in all those great sets in the nineties that coincide then with his all his peak and success. So this is awesome. What a card. You wanna talk about this last one here?
Yeah. I saw this one, the TJ Watt twenty seventeen prism gold vinyl b g s nine five sold for $3,600. I just like, TJ Watt, awesome player. He gave Caleb a welcome to the NFL moment in this recent Bear Steelers contest.
But I guess I always kind of forgot that him and Miles Garrett are from the exact same draft class, 2017 draft class, which two of maybe the greatest edge defenders of all time, same draft class.
That's pretty that's a nice little fact nugget right there. That could be a cool dual auto. Dude, I, so TJ Watts a phenomenal football player. Just game record, all the things. But I also know that TJ Watts cards never come to market.
His his good stuff and are hardly ever available. I've heard that from a lot of different people. And so this sale price doesn't surprise me at all being a premium parallel in a set like Prism in his rookie year. This card's awesome.
The, yeah, I just I think, like, when you've got a player that's has hall of fame trajectory and they're on a team and he's been on the Steelers his entire career, like, the the collector base around that player continues to intensify as each successful year happens.
And so I think WAD is one of those players where it's like, man, like, a lot of people even outside of Steeler Nation want TJ Watts cards, but he's just he's it's it's hard to track down.
I did see as it's I was coming to my brain now, and I I messaged him about how sick it is.
But I did see, not too long ago, he posted in his stories, Ryan card collector too. He has the 24 TJ Watt black finite. And it just dude, the 20 fours are so sick.
Mhmm. And black in the Steelers gear just I I I, like, made a comment. I was like, man, that is a great looking card. But, yeah, TJ Watt, man. Shout out defensive lineman making these types of sales. This rules. So I was looking.
Miles Garrett, because Miles Garrett, same rookie year. His gold vinyl and a PSA 10 sold February. Any guesses on price? February, PSA 10. What what's the pop of that? That is a pop two. I'm gonna say it's going to be ridiculously low.
Like, if it were to sell now, it would be crazy. I'm I'm gonna say $1,800. Sold for $32. 50. Okay. That makes me happy. That's worth that. February The greatest defensive players ever. Yeah.
And that card looks so sick, in full uniform, like, no practice gear, none of that. Having, like, the TJ and Miles Garrett from, like, the same year, same rookie class, same parallel would be a very cool pairing to see. Yes. It would.
But, yeah, that was a that was a good, list of, cards. Where are we heading next, man? Let's, let's talk a little NFL, shall we? Let's do it. Do you wanna kick us off? How how are we feeling about the Colts? You know, it's yeah.
There's a lot of I'm sensing a lot of, like, not quite feeling of sky is falling, but I I have decided because I appreciate my mental health to not dive into social media and be a part of all the doom and gloom conversations.
That loss sucked, and it sucked because for a variety of reasons, but I decided and I knew when I decided to do this that it was the end of me, but I decided to invite friends over.
I've had a crew, got some ordered some Basbos locally, brought in the pizza. We had the the community. Everyone's got everyone's standing the entire time.
No sitting. Everyone's just pacing standing. Big game. But, you know, when you when you give up your first lead as the ball is going through the uprights to lose the game, it's never a fun way to, to lose.
And, you know, if, you know, you zoom out and you're like, okay. Well, the Colts are eight and three, and they went to overtime against Kansas City. Like yeah. Like, it's not it's not the end of the it's not the end of the world.
Although they have this is two overtime games in a row, and I just I I the overtime is so it's so stressful. I don't need another overtime game again. But, it to me, it all comes down to a a lot of people wanna center this.
Like, the the very end thing to do is center this around, like, Daniel Jones and be like, we're it's like, he's showing his true colors. That's, like, the narrative.
But from from me, in this this this showed me and was a reminder to me that Shane Steichen has not reached that, like, top tier coaching tier yet because he he he goes in these runs that are excellent, and then he has a game like this that's unexplainable, where you Taylor only rushes it for sixteen sixteen carries.
And it's, like, proven in the data. Anytime Taylor runs for 20 or more carries, like, the Colts winning percentage is insane.
So, like, in that fourth quarter to, like, do three drives and and not even think about running the ball when you have the lead, it's just, like, unexplainable. So I chalk it up as the stinking stinker.
It was it was just like, I felt very much like the coach screwed this game up on top of, like and I'm not a blame the refs guy, but there I did when I did pull up Twitter and look, it they're like, from not just Colts fans around the league, there seemed like there were a lot of coverage, especially on these Mahomes, like like, late hits.
Like, dude, what, like, what are you supposed to do? Like like, what are you supposed to do? Like, in Mahomes uses theater after every play, and I'll tell you what, really pisses me off.
The the and Mahomes is great. I he's I love watching him play, but just his it reminded me of so NBA like. After every little touch, he's like, no.
Like, playing to the refs looking for the calls, and it's just that was annoying. The Chiefs beat us. I'll I'll admit it. It happened, but that game was certainly, it it's it it got me wound up a little bit.
But it's not the end of the world, although it's gonna be a tough one on Sunday at the Luke, which we haven't played at home because of Berlin forever.
It seems like we've got the the Texans and their defense is so nasty. So this will be a very much like, we'll see what they're made of after this week.
But, yeah, I I tend to just I'm trying to be even keel. It's like, you gotta you can't overreact one way or the other week by week. Ultimately, the position they're currently in in their record, I'm I'm very, very happy with.
So just wish we would've won that one. Yeah. That smart way, gotta take take that high road, big picture, like you said, where eight and three.
If if someone share the same record as someone before the season said, hey. By week 12, both of you will be both your teams will be eight and three.
Sign us up. We would've taken it a 100%. Who would've look at us. Who would've thought? Yeah. But the Bears haven't been to overtime, but every game feels like it comes down to the wire.
But eight and o when I watch at home, that's something. That means something over here. And, these games What kind of rituals you got going on over there?
You got some incense burning. Like, what are you doing? I had no no incense burning. Just kind of me stressed out, making my daughter put on bear stuff, say go bears. But then, like, it's normally bears kickoff, like, during nap time.
Yep. So I get the, daughter wake up around second half and, get a request to watch the witches, which is wicked wicked. We're big wicked household over the past couple weeks.
And I say no no witches right now. We're watching the bears. But, yeah, stressful game, But they're learning to win. It's not perfect, but it's a first year head coach, second year quarterback, and they're fun. Like, this team is fun.
Like, I don't know. It's just like a young offense. They're figuring it out. Caleb had that humbling TJ Watt sack in the end zone, fumble, touchdown, just a terrible, terrible play, which we were kinda talking about.
Like, eventually, Caleb's gonna get rocked, like, with the escape of escaping, and that's what happened. He's like, oh, I can get outside this guy. Yeah. And most people, you could probably get outside, but not TJ Watt.
He just got one hand on him and just yanked him to the ground. But but, like, that was a huge play. Put the Steelers up seven. Caleb, you know, could clearly be rattled. You're at home. All the momentum's gone.
But then he turns around and had a great second half, threw for three touchdowns, no interceptions. I mean, Caleb gets grief for, like, he's missing plays and, like, yeah, he's still to me, it's like he's still young.
He's gonna have four or five bad plays a game. That's expected, but they're still putting up 30 points a game even with him making those misses. Like, Ben Johnson is just scheming dudes wide open.
I fully am witnessing something I've never seen on offense, which I'd only heard rumors of, which is the Bears scheming players open, but he's got dudes running wide open all the time. It's so much fun to watch.
Like, this is an offensive team, which feels like they can hang with anyone just because I trust that the offense can score whenever. So, yeah. And at this point, we're not in the, like, early like, we're 11 games in.
There's only six games left. Mhmm. So this is very much like this is an eight and three team with six games left. Go three and three, and you win 11 games, the and should be in the playoffs.
Granted, the schedule is very tough. We got this Black Friday game against the Eagles in Philadelphia. I'm kinda terrified. And then on the road at Lambo the week after that.
So it's getting tough, but one other thing while I'm on my soapbox is everyone is always discrediting the Bears record because they played no one is the the narrative or, like, oh, it's an easy schedule.
Like, when the Bears beat the shit out of the Cowboys, it was, oh, the Cowboys have one of the worst defenses of all time.
And then it's like the cowboys turn around and beat the eagles and know what like, the narrative's completely different on the cowboys now, or the Steelers beat the Colts granted they had Aaron Rodgers, but, like, the defend the Steelers defense looks sick, and it's like the Bears were able to put 31 on them and beat them.
So I don't know. I think, yes, they've gotten lucky with playing backup quarterbacks at times or, but the NFL is so week to week.
Like, JJ McCarthy beat the Lions, and then the Bears beat them. And they're like, oh, it's just JJ McCarthy. It's like, he just beat the Lions. So what what are we doing here?
Can't listen to the haters or doubters, though. They're gonna say their own thing. The Bears are eight and three, and I'm happy. That's it. I've learned yeah. I've I've learned as I've matured to try to tune all that stuff out.
You mentioned, like, the bears stretch. By the way, I I wanna put in the NFL talk, I wanna plug this real quick. But how about the the AFC South is turning into to something? Yeah. Necessarily good for my team.
You said three and three. Dude, I'm I'm I'm pretty sure I would take three and three for the rest of the year. We've got Houston at home, at Jacksonville, at Seattle, 40 niners at home, Jacksonville at home, and then at Houston.
Not one easy game in there. No. That's especially because, like, the Colts at Jacksonville. Oh, it's they're it's kryptonite. We we can't win there. It's impossible. That yeah.
That's a brutal I mean, the bears are, bears also have the niners and then the Packers twice, the Lions. Oh, yeah. You're right there with me. Yeah. And and the Browns. The Browns is the one of the six that's kinda like, okay.
Maybe Miles Garrett. But then you see Miles Garrett wrecking every game and, like, Chodor, I mean, backed by our president. Like, Yeah. Yeah. But that was one of the notes I made.
It's like, is it time to buy a Chodor downtown? $8,500, this card. So Oh my goodness. You know, it it like, Shader Sanders, everyone wanted this to happen, and it and all the things happened for this to happen.
So whether your opinion is on Chador or not, like, to me, this is this is this is cinema. It's like Yes. When Chadur hits the field every week, it's almost it's must watch.
It's like, what is gonna happen? So this is the prime episode even though it's episode number 23, but it just makes sense to mention Shador Sanders, maybe the most topical, player in the NFL right now.
Yeah. It is, like, I'm interested to watch. It's I like when there's hype around a player and then watching to see if they can deliver or not.
It's just that's why we watch sports. It's Yeah. I mean and, yeah, I guess his numbers didn't look great in that win, but found a way to win. Had a big pass in there. So, yeah.
And who knows? He'll probably carve up the bears and look amazing and, ruin the bears playoff chances. But, speaking of quarterback play, Matthew Stafford, we've talked about him before, but, like, this is the best he's ever looked.
This is the best I've ever seen Matthew Stafford play football, which to me is a reminder that this is year seventeen for him.
It takes a long time to, like, get to the level of understanding and skill and be able to, like, see the defense the way you need to see it and play. So, like, took Matthew set for seventeen years to look his best.
Caleb's I'm okay with Caleb having a couple overthrows here and there. Yeah. He's I I think it's gonna be really hard for him not to win the MVP. It's just the way he's playing.
Sean McVanheim have this mind meld and yeah. They're he's they're legit. What did I oh, I speaking of out west, I we haven't talked about JSN, which Mhmm. Shame on us, but JSN leads the NFL in receiving yards.
He's got 1,313, 16. 4 yards a catch. He's having a magical season, and I thought I thought he'd be a good pro. I didn't think he would be, like, elite level in man, he's he's having a very special year.
So just wanted to make sure I, called that out, because I don't think we've mentioned him yet on the pod, which is a shame on us. That is. How do you think Justin Jefferson is feeling or watching?
Oh, dude. Pardon all the JSN and the numbers that they're putting up? Dude, think about think I know Burrow's coming back, but think about, like, Chase and Jefferson, like, how good they are at what they've been working with this year.
It's like, dude, it's it's tough sledding for those guys. But, yeah, if I'm Justin Jefferson, I know he's a nice guy, appears to be a nice guy from everything I've seen.
I'm gonna probably have a little talk with management after this season based on what you had and what you're working with right now. Yeah. It's I I don't care for the Vikings, but they're not my least favorite team in the NFC North.
But, yeah, just seeing the JJ thing, it's like, I feel bad for the kid because that's a terrible position. They're a rough position to be in to just, like and, yeah, the whole watching Darnold.
And I feel like more and more it's setting in, like, wow. You guys went fourteen and three with Sam Darnold, who is still very young into his career and said, nope. Let's let's take this rookie.
And then, JJ, you can't give yourself an alter ego nickname. That's the biggest takeaway. You cannot ever like, no one ever if if anyone's ever asking you, like, what's your nickname, never give yourself a nickname.
It does not it will not work out. No. Yeah. And, you know, if KOC can't help you, it just that's I mean, he's the quarterback whisperer, so it's like, I don't it's still early. We talked about we talked about Caleb.
It's early. So it just doesn't look it's kinda like how it last year, it just didn't look good with Anthony Richardson. It's kinda that same level of, like, it's gonna take something remarkable to turn this around.
Yeah. Yeah. Still early, but, yeah, when you're seeing side by side graphics with JaMarcus Russell, it's never a good, JaMarcus looked good in that graphic.
He did. He looked really good for six games. I was like, okay. My last note on around the league, Jameis Winston.
What a treasure. Just I love Jameis so much. I wanted them to beat the Lions so bad. They couldn't pull it off, but some awesome trick plays in that game just, he is instant electricity to NFL teams.
And I give him a starting job somewhere. Jameis could be starting for so, like, the Saints let him go. Like, I don't know.
I just feel like, what are we what are we doing here? Jamis should be starting somewhere. Yeah. He's had quite the run. If you collect Jamis Winston cards out there, let us know, because I'd love to see a sick Jamis collection.
And didn't he I gotta find it. I'm pretty sure he did a thirty thirty. Yes. In '2 in 2019 with Tampa, Jameis threw for 5,109 yards, 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions. The thirty thirty like, where's the tops now of that card?
Like, the Shohei fifty fifty season. Yeah. You need to put more respect on the Jameis 3030 season. Dude, that that is a lot. How how did his arm not fall off after that season? Unreal. 626 attempts. Just Oh my god.
In the rock. Alright. Let's get into collecting updates. What are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on? Any big pickups, Brett? Yeah. I I kinda teased it up front, but I'm just gonna show it.
Here we go. And this is this is this is to celebrate. It's okay to highlight acquisitions that aren't in your possession yet. You know, I don't do it often, but I felt I'm feeling it right now.
Like, I'm still excited about this. So the card is the 2021 prism Michael Pittman junior black finite one of one PSA 10 to boot. So you're you're paying the premium, but what did I tell you?
I don't care. I need this card. It was listed at $1,999. 99 or best offer. I went $13. 50, got the auto decline. I went 1,400, got the auto decline. So my credits are I'm I'm using up the credits.
And I went 1,500, and I looked at it. There was no notifications on my eBay app. And I went into that I was, like, checking every hour, and then I just, like, opened up eBay and went to, like, purchases, and it was it was in there.
Yep. And I was like, I am glad you didn't try. Be honest with you, probably could've gotten another hundo or 2 hundo off of me, but I'm I'm very happy that, mister Eric, the dealer, decided to say that's a strong offer on this 2021.
I better take it, or he might not accept the next one. Well, I would have accepted it, pal, because this is what I collect, and I love Michael Pittman.
This is his follow-up finite. I sent you a photo, but I've got the Quintin Nelson, Buckner, and Pittman out of 21. So have those all three together. And it's my second Pittman finite.
I have the 24. So yeah, man. I love this one too. You've got Steelers player on the ground in the background as Pittman is looking for some space. I love Michael Pittman junior, and so this was a card I absolutely needed.
That yeah. That is awesome. He was a 2020 rookie? Yes. Okay. Have you seen Naylor. Same draft. Oh, sick. What Colts draft well. We we we know how to draft some guys.
Shout out Michael Pittman senior. I do Yes. I have his o two x factor. How big are his arms on that card? Oh, yeah. He's a beast. He had some let me look up his stats. He had a yeah. He won a Super Bowl with Tampa.
He was kind of a nice little piece of that Tampa offense. Michael Pittman senior, 9,139 total scrimmage yards in his career. That's a nice Yeah. Career. Anytime you get close to 10 k, that's I'm impressed.
So Dude, I feel like I dude, Pittman to me is, like, such a I'm thinking, like, I'm I'm just, like, visualizing, like, playing NFL Blitz and having Pittman and Keyshawn with Brad Johnson back there.
Yes. Oh, man. That blitz? I played so much NFL blitz back in the day.
You have to this is what I learned about blitz. You can't your strategy of the game can't be one of, like, offensive base. You almost have to invert the the game and think about everything from the lens of the defensive perspective.
And if you master the defensive perspective, then you can't be beat. Like, that's what I've learned about blitz is just, like, become a master of defense and everything else will fall into place.
And a master of defense on blitz means just get one stop. All you need is one stop. Yeah. And just any open secondary UK. It's about the technique to be able to tackle the receivers before the balls get out.
Oh, yeah. It it's it's it's like a you have to be, like, a second half a second faster than you think you do. And if you Yeah. If you can get on that level, you're you're unstoppable.
Yeah. That's that's what players need to be doing to, you know, start reading defenses faster and make form it's like the the whole storyline of Jameis Winston is using VR to simulate, like, the game.
He's really just putting on a VR helmet and playing blitz. Did you play any NFL street? I did. I did play NFL street. I I was a bigger was on the front, I think.
Ricky Williams. Yeah. Yeah. I NBA Street. I love the OG NBA Street was my, original favorite. Because then NFL Street was, like, a little later and I preferred by that point, I was fully a Madden.
Like, I liked creating franchises and, like, kinda doing the whole everything in Madden. But NFL Street was was great. Dude, off of Keystone, there, there was this record shop called Rockin' Billy Records, dude.
And it like, I'd go there to get, like, break records. I used to bat battle DJ. And, dude, it was I go Saturday and just hang out there. Indeed, it all it was is just, like, people talking hip hop and playing NBA Street on the street.
I'm like, this is the only place I wanna be right now. That that sounds like a great moment in time. Yeah. The and, k, when we started talking about that, just, like, illuminated in my mind.
I'm like, oh, what a what a there might have been some nefarious activity out back, and then you'd come in, you know, some of that going on. But it was that was a good time to be alive.
High school ish days. Oh, yeah. Wow. Take me back. No, real updates on my end. No purchases. But I did just write down one thought, which is team collecting means spending real money on bad players sometimes.
Yes. Like Yes. It's there's just a thing about, like, sometimes I'm buying a card, and I'm like, wow. I'm really spending even if it's, like, $30 on just Craig Krenzel or something.
I'm like, why am I doing this? Why why is this something that needs to be in my collection? Like, why can't I just be a collector that collects, like, only cards that I think are going up?
I don't know. It's just, yeah, team collecting. Sometimes you gotta spend real money on bad players. Dude, I it's my I spend most of my life doing this.
And some people look at my, like, prism collection and be like, well, if you didn't have, like, all these Dante Moncriefs and Malik Hookers and, you know, all these put, like, players, like, you could put that into a a big card to someone.
I'm like, I don't want the big card. I I want the I want these cards. And it's like you for anyone who's not in it doing it, it's hard for them to understand, but, like, dude, there's it's time and place.
It's whatever you're collecting. Those are some of my favorite cards because it's like, man, Dante Moncrief, he was great with luck for that sliver and what what if.
And so I don't know. I that that part of collecting, I'm glad you brought it up. I I I really enjoy it. It's great. Yeah.
And it it makes you, appreciate, like, again, even having just, like, an awesome even one awesome game in the NFL, it's like, that that can be worth it over like, when I'm looking back through the nostalgia lens, it's like Johnny Knox.
Johnny Knox was sick. Like, yeah, it didn't didn't work out and he kind of ended his career with a tragic injury that includes the what if, around him.
But even guys who don't have the what if qualifier, just anyone who, you know, kinda had a good season and then flamed out.
It's like, hey. You made it to the NFL. You put together an awesome season for the team that I like. I see you. I respect that. Let's let's spend a stupid amount of money on one of your cards.
Alright. That's it. Let's get to our card callout. We asked to see offensive linemen, Brett with the great audible, to get offensive linemen cards, and there were so many good ones. So many big uglies out there.
What a crop. This week today is Friday, Black Friday. So we're gonna go with what's a card you got a deal on that you still own? This is kind of inspired by the string of people posting old eBay purchases, which I love.
That is good. I love that content. Keep that coming. So if there's a card you got a deal on that you still own, post a picture. Let's see it. If you wanna include what you paid for it, go for it.
I'd I would love that if people did that. If you felt feel comfortable, like, help help help illustrate this entire story and put the price. You should be proud of it if you're posting it.
So we'd love to see the price. Yeah. Let's see that. And, yeah, it's Black Friday. Maybe you'll get bonus points if the card is a black finite or black refractor or some sort of tops black, regular paper parallel.
You know, there's all sorts of, black extractor. A lot of lot of parallels. But, or and then also another point multiplier, number 20 threes, which we have discussed. 20 threes are, far and few between.
But, yes, Black Friday card you got a deal on that that you still own, send us a picture, tag the football card pod on Instagram, follow the football card pod on Instagram, and we will see you next week.
I have one more classified. I gotta just throw out there because of of you saying that at the end. There is one Kenny Moore Prism card.
He's in a '23, and I've never seen the black finite, and I don't have a gold either. If you have either one of those, remember what I said earlier about saying I'd pay whatever I need to for the pitman?
The these cards are in the same category. So if you know where those cards are at I know where one is, but I can't get it away from the the owner.
I need those Kenny Morris. Gold, gold vinyl, black finite. Come at me at stacking slabs. I just had to. That's why this is why we created the Footballcard five.
And, yes, we're trying to serve our audience and give them entertaining content to listen to weekly, but it's also to amplify the cards that I'm searching for. Thanks for listening, everybody. Yeah. See you next week.