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Faith and masculinity meet kingdom living to help Christian husbands rebuild their confidence and masculine strength, so they can enjoy attraction-filled and passionate marriages.
You want to live a life on fire and on mission.
You want to be filled with such conviction and drive that you stop caring about what ANYone thinks.
You want to face each day alive, authentic, and fully present in every moment: with your wife, kids, on the street, at the gym, at work.
You want to bring yourSELF to the table, and to stop bringing the watered-down, nice, what everyone wants version of you.
You want that self to be a man who is burning in passion for Jesus, unafraid to bring his kingdom to anyone in your path, no matter the cost.
You want to love the one in front of you without fear, without needing love back, and without reserve.
You want to experience God for real, to not just believe, but to KNOW that he’s got you and that he’ll show up on your behalf. That he’ll show up THROUGH you.
You want to get to the end of your race and say, “Yep…I gave it everything. Jesus, you know I’m all in.”
...And you want to know just how to get there.
Welcome to Man Warrior King. Congratulations. You are among the violent taking the kingdom by force. You are among the chosen, answering the call to rise above your self. You are in the forge being stripped down and strengthened—and you WILL rise stronger, solid, unshakeable.
You are a man. You are a warrior. You are a king.
Matt Hallock (00:01)
Good morning and welcome to another episode of the Man Warrior King podcast. I'm your host, Matt Halleck. And today I am excited and honored to have a guest on the show who is also family. My brother-in-law, Chris Miser, who is 20 years in the Air Force. He retired a couple of years ago, right? Two years ago, something like that. Almost two years ago.
Chris Miser (00:24)
Yeah. Yep.
Matt Hallock (00:27)
And now he's he's on to next the next incredible great projects that God's been leading him into. So, Chris, welcome. Good to have you on the show.
Chris Miser (00:37)
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, first and foremost, Matt, thanks so much for inviting me on this show or on your podcast. It's a huge honor. And yeah, I mean, don't know. Where do want me to start? I'm new to this stuff.
Matt Hallock (00:50)
Well, why don't why don't we? Pretend
that you are a superhero and you have an origin story and we all need to know what that origin story is
Chris Miser (01:02)
OK, well, that's far from the truth. But yeah, like you said, Air Force retired. And I think what I'm doing now or what I'm what we're talking about or going to be talking about really started. There was a journey that started with the Air Force and I didn't know that it was starting. Well, maybe you know what? I would take that back. I think it started with my marriage and.
Matt Hallock (01:04)
I
Chris Miser (01:32)
And I'll highlight that in a sec. when 9-11, so Mandy and I got married on the 1st of September in two, see, I can't even remember when we got married.
Matt Hallock (01:50)
Right? I know the longer it goes, the harder it becomes. Okay.
Chris Miser (01:55)
It was September 1st, 2001. So
we went on our honeymoon. And then when we got back on the 10th, you'll remember what September 11th, 2001 was. And September 11th was was horrible day. And so when when that happened, when the attack happened on the 11th, Mandy was at work. I hadn't gotten a job yet because I just moved into the area and we were just establishing our lives together.
And so I raced, we didn't even have a TV, so I raced up the mountain to where her parents lived and jumped on the TV with them and was watching it unfold. And then Mandy showed up because they shut down, they didn't need her at work. And so she came up as well to my in-laws house and we were sitting there watching as what I, that day I knew we were going to war.
It was clear that we were going to respond to this. And I had thought about military before. I was an Eagle Scout. And so when I got my Eagle Scout, when I had my Eagle Scout ceremony, the Air Force showed up and I had thought about it and that kind of thing. But it wasn't until that moment where I said, OK, and I'm sitting on that couch and I go, we're going to war. And I was really upset.
and angry. And so I was like, Mandy, I want to go in. And it starts with marriage because her response to that was yes. So.
From the very beginning, I had her support and her parents' support too, because they were both just like, yes, we're in. So it was the next day, I think, where we went to the recruiter and we talked to the recruiter. And the recruiter was very honest with us and said, hey, you're going to spend a lot of time away from home if you take this career. I said, yep, we got it. So we understood that going in.
It still took some time and I got some jobs that I got a job selling cars that was horrible. I learned a lot about myself and I learned a lot about people in that job. But so I guess in that way it was really good, but I didn't enjoy selling cars nor am I very good at it because I'm just not a very good car salesman.
Matt Hallock (04:24)
Yeah.
That's not necessarily a bad thing based on their reputation.
Chris Miser (04:38)
Well, maybe.
After about a year and a half was when I got accepted. So it was a lot of paperwork and it was a lot of time. And I went into the Air Force and what an incredible, it was an incredible career. And I got to have an impact on the war effort in response to that attack on 9-11. So, and I count myself, I'm humbled by that opportunity. So.
So yeah, did that. And then it was during that time in the service when we had our three boys, Dakota, Kaden, and Blaze. Two of them are out of the house. Dakota's in college. Kaden's in the Navy Reserves, but he's looking at going active duty hopefully soon. And he's got his stuff going, which is really, really cool. And then Blaze is still at the house. He's almost 14 in just a few days.
And they were a huge blessing during that time. So my career was awesome. Man, I just loved my time in the Air Force. Got to travel around the world, not only with the family, but also individually. Did a lot of deployments. Some of the bad from that is being away from home. As much as I was, I was away from home for over 1,000 days total. And then one of those...
Matt Hallock (06:03)
with him.
Chris Miser (06:10)
One of those times being away, I was gone for 365 days or 364, whatever it was. I was counting at the time, but I've lost track.
Matt Hallock (06:14)
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was during the crazy COVID year too of all the years to be gone, Like 2020?
Chris Miser (06:26)
Yes,
yes, it was horrible, horrible time because, yeah, that's a whole other, we could talk for hours about just how much that impacted the mission and people's lives. yeah, that was a very, very tough time. And it was a tough time, because I was in a leadership position at that time, and that was a very tough time to be in a leadership position.
Matt Hallock (06:29)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (06:56)
But I learned a lot from that. then retired in 2023. And for many, years, I've had a goal of hiking the Pacific Crest Trail. I started the trail, got about 1,000 miles. there was a lot of snow and those kinds of things. I didn't make it all the way. But I'm going to try again this year. And then let's, and then.
Matt Hallock (06:58)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Chris Miser (07:26)
I really wanted to do something totally different than the Air Force. So I went and got certified as a crane operator. was operating cranes for a while, doing heavy equipment, which was super fun. But what will lead up to what I think you're going to ask me about is just what I'm doing now.
Throughout my career and as a father too and as a husband, I've done a lot of things good, I guess. And then I messed up a lot of things too. I also didn't understand a lot of things when it came to what God was asking of me to do.
I don't know why it took so long, but the Air Force, I have been a believer since I was like six. I accepted the Lord when I was six, but I haven't really walked with God like God has asked me to do. throughout my career in the Air Force and throughout, and even recently,
Matt Hallock (08:24)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Chris Miser (08:52)
I've separated those things. I separated spirituality from my professional life. And it doesn't mean that I, you know, I don't, I wasn't like doing terrible things in my profession. But what I'm saying is I just wasn't walking with God during those times. mean, and we often separate God from our profession.
Matt Hallock (09:13)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (09:21)
or from our schools, and even sometimes in our families. And it was during that period of time when I was hiking that God really showed, shared some things with me. I've been angry over the years about the way that, let's just.
pinpointed to COVID is when churches shut down, that kind of angered me. And yet God was like, hey, but you've shut down so many times. Don't keep blaming the church. You are the church and you removed yourself from a church body and you've separated me from what you've been doing for a long, long time. So why are you pointing the finger elsewhere? And that was
Matt Hallock (09:56)
Yeah.
Mm.
Chris Miser (10:22)
that woke me up and it, for lack of better words, it kind of scared me because as I continued to pray and talk to God while I was hiking, it was clear to me that he doesn't want us to separate things any longer. He does not want us to separate him. He does not want us to remove him.
in all the aspects of our lives, including our profession. And so that leads me to today, to what I'm doing now and to what you and I have been discussing big time because one of the things that God has really laid upon me is
is get together with Matt, to get together with you. And the reason why is because you get it. And you've been doing this for a while. And I appreciate what you do and humbled by it. So that's what leads us to today.
Matt Hallock (11:29)
Yeah,
yeah. Well, it's, was definitely, long, a long like buildup. What, what it seems like to me is kind of like this, this really long foundation laying for you, like the 20 years, right? Of the air force, almost like God laying a foundation, whether you knew it or not, that that's what he,
that he was working on that. And then all of a sudden he kind of just like broke through on the trail out there. so before we get into all the endeavors and things that are in the works and on the horizon for what you're doing, what has...
What has the you of like, you know, five years ago, how is that you different than the you today just personally and as a husband and dad and everything?
Chris Miser (12:39)
Wow.
Well, one thing is just the world. The world...
There are so many things that you can.
sounds a little crazy, but worship. I mean, there are so many things in the world that you naturally start to worship. didn't even realize you were worshiping them until you, really, it requires you to repent and pray and get into God's word. And you'll start going, whoa, none of that is really all that important. And I was focused on it and our family was focused on
And and so when you start to remove those things that you're worshiping in the world you start to focus more on your marriage and your family and it just naturally happens you don't even it's it's it's wild it's wild I mean and what's incredible is when I mean I left the family to go up on to go on the trail and and I think sometimes when you
When you take time away from everything and you focus on God, he directs you to where you need to now focus. Taking time away to be on your own is not a bad thing. And for me, it's a sorry, I'm hitting my mic for me. It's important because I am naturally kind of a an introvert. And so I I.
Matt Hallock (14:14)
Yeah.
That's all right.
Yeah.
Chris Miser (14:27)
recharge kind of on my own. that has, but when I use that time to recharge and meet with my God, he directs me to what my focus should be. And that is a different Chris than five years ago.
Matt Hallock (14:31)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Miser (14:56)
So, and I'm thankful as heck for that, but.
Matt Hallock (15:04)
That makes sense. What you're saying, like, so a lot of the guys that are listeners of this show or have read my book or something, they would be the kind of husband who, and not everybody, sorry if you're out there and this doesn't describe you, but many, many are this way where they feel guilty for kind of taking care of themselves in that way, right? Getting alone.
And that could be for a number of reasons. Sometimes they feel guilty because there's just guilt like, I have to always be constantly denying myself, right? Which would mean I don't get to go away, but I want to come and make everybody else's life happen. Or maybe they're like, well, if I go take that time away, maybe it's going to, you know, they're walking on eggshells with their wife. Maybe it's going to make her upset and I won't get what I want from her. so hearing you say how vitally important that is,
is I think very important because you're right, can't possibly maintain a position of healthy leadership in your family if you're not just getting connected with God. Jesus is kind of the model of that, right? He went up on the mountain just like you did. He did that all the time, to pray and get alone, get away from his quote unquote, bride for a little while so he could hear from his father and then come back.
Chris Miser (16:14)
Absolutely, yes.
Matt Hallock (16:28)
charged up and ready to go and kick some butt. So I think that's that's crucial. How would you say so also
Okay, tell me if I'm wrong, but from my perspective, seems like pre Pacific Crest Trail, maybe it seems like there wasn't as much like of a personal encounter with God as there has been since. Would that be fair to say?
Chris Miser (17:07)
absolutely. 100%. Yes.
Matt Hallock (17:09)
Yeah, so I think, yeah.
Chris Miser (17:11)
It really-
I call it I say yes, I had an encounter I I guess you could say but and it's hard for me to describe but ultimately it is the Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit lived inside me but from a very early age but it's been more recently where the Holy Spirit is speaking the Holy Spirit is directing me and that is a different place and that is because
Matt Hallock (17:41)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (17:44)
And I
I with all my heart, based off of my experience that I had on the trail, believe with all my heart that almost by accident, nothing is an accident, right? But it seems like by accident that happened because I just so happened to decide to start praying and repent. I didn't have a prayer life like I did at that moment.
And so I'm praying and I'm repenting and I don't really have a specific thing I'm repenting for. It's not like I had done something horrible on the trail. I'm just repenting overall and some of that repentance was for just things that have happened in the nation too. Things that our nation is responsible for. You talked about ownership in the warrior husband lesson on your
Matt Hallock (18:34)
Yeah
Chris Miser (18:46)
on your website and that, yes, like taking ownership for not just the things that I've done wrong, but things that we have done wrong as a society too. And so I was talking to praying to God about a lot of those kinds of things, things that were just on my mind that were, you know, heavy on my mind, if you will. And I really had never done that like I did. And then,
Matt Hallock (19:10)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Miser (19:15)
that is when he spoke and I've learned since then because I didn't get that at the time I've learned since then that that God God is not I think I don't remember exactly where but in the bible there's a word that translates to experience and it's and it's it's saying that god is not Experienced in sin god is not experienced in that he cannot be in the same presence of it. So
When I repented, now I can walk with him.
Matt Hallock (19:54)
Hmm.
Chris Miser (19:55)
because by His grace that sin is gone. Now, it'll be back because we're sinful people, but in that moment, I'm now walking with Him. And there is no doubt.
Matt Hallock (20:12)
Wow.
Chris Miser (20:17)
It's even hard to talk about. There is no doubt that on a trail in California, we're walking together. It's it's wild. I've never experienced that. I've never experienced that in. man, I can't encourage like the gentleman that listened to you. I can't encourage them enough. I mean, you just you got it. You got to walk with God like. Do it.
Matt Hallock (20:43)
Yeah. Yeah.
So it sounds like, like, you know, if there's a guy out there, which I'm sure there is who is in a similar position to you, what you were like, I've, I'm a Christian. I've been a Christian for X number of years and I don't really like, it doesn't really feel like a whole lot, right? Like I believe in God. believe in Jesus. I love him, but like,
So I know that I've worked with guys who are like, I don't feel like I know how to hear him. I don't feel like I experience him much. It's like he's kind of distant. What it sounds like to me is what you're offering here is at least one key to unlock that door to more connection with him is repentance, like a lifestyle of repentance.
Chris Miser (21:35)
Yes,
yes. it's not like a, yeah, I'm not like whipping myself. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's almost like, it's just a constant prayer of.
Matt Hallock (21:45)
No, not a lifestyle of like self-flagellation. That's a different thing.
Chris Miser (22:02)
It's a constant prayer of, need you. I need you and I want to be with you. I want to walk with you. if the things that are holding me back, I'm repenting for those. I'm sorry. I'm gonna put that stuff aside. And then as that goes on, what's been crazy is like, don't even, it's been really easy just to not.
Matt Hallock (22:04)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (22:31)
do things that, and I'm not talking about bad, really bad things, I'm talking like a video that I shouldn't watch, or like a movie that's maybe, like in the past, I might watch a movie with scenes that I shouldn't be, and I don't even care anymore. I don't even wanna, it's not something, you know, and I'm not, hopefully people don't think it's too judgmental, but like,
Matt Hallock (22:53)
huh.
Chris Miser (23:00)
I've heard and I haven't even started watching it that 1923 I think is the new 1923 is like the new Yellowstone that's come out and there's supposedly like this scene in there. That's Like really really horrible. I don't even want to watch it so I'm not I don't nearly even know but I don't want to watch it because because there are there are things that There are plans that God has for me that are way better than that. I don't even want to
Matt Hallock (23:09)
Yeah, I saw something about that. Yeah.
Really? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Chris Miser (23:30)
I don't even want to be a part of it. And I wasn't, that's not me a few years ago.
Matt Hallock (23:32)
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miser (23:40)
So.
Yeah, I don't know what else to say about it. It's different.
Matt Hallock (23:47)
Yeah.
Well, it's powerful because what you're also giving keys to here is guys that are stuck, right? They're stuck with whatever part of themselves they don't like, stuck with things that they're doing that they know that they don't want to do, however horrible or minimally horrible they are. doesn't matter. And what you're describing is that
version of faith that a lot of our church doesn't get, which is the rivers of living water are supposed to flow from me. It's not supposed to be like a constant struggle to stay on the straight and narrow. It's supposed to be that I actually get transformed. that means that there's like, to one extent, in one way of looking at it, there's
There's effortless change. And that's what you're kind of describing. Like these things in you have not, they're just different now. It's not like you've had to, okay, now I want to be close to God. So I've got to make sure to clean up this, this, this, and this.
Chris Miser (25:02)
Yes, he removed the desire. He helped me with that.
Matt Hallock (25:07)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (25:16)
That's one of the things that because I think we get to it a little bit later, but I mean I'm starting a business and called Northbound and It is about transformational leadership, which you just said it about you were mentioning transformation It's about transformational leadership. It's about the the leader that Christ is calling you to be and and I think
Matt Hallock (25:23)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (25:44)
A lot of yes, there's there's a lot of folks that feel stuck and I can understand that. You'll you know the verse, Matt, Jeremiah 29, 11. I actually have it open right here because I was reading it this morning. It is that's the verse where. God has plans for you, all right. Great plans and. If we're stuck, if we're stuck in the right now.
What God is saying is like he's not talking about just plans for five minutes from now Or 30 minutes from now or five years from now. He's talking about eternal plans. He's talking about plans for eternity so if if you feel stuck what God is he's he's asking you to literally just Unstick yourself walk with him and then he's gonna start he's gonna start building you for those plans that he's talking about in Jeremiah
Matt Hallock (26:41)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (26:44)
Because he's going to start building you for those plans. we're not talking, when you're talking about eternity, man, those are big plans. We're not talking like this isn't like, I'm going to have another job or, you know, my my kids are going to do great things. I'm to be a great grandpa. We're not talking about that. We're talking about kingdoms. We're talking about big stuff. So so plans in the future. If you're stuck now, you got to get unstuck.
Matt Hallock (26:44)
Wow.
Wow, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Miser (27:13)
because God has plans for you. And that has changed the way I'm looking at some things. And it's changing what I want the company to, what I want my business to help people focus on, to help leaders focus on that big picture future. And the impact that a leader has on the people that they lead.
Matt Hallock (27:15)
Wow.
Absolutely.
Wow, wow.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's so what it's like.
Chris Miser (27:41)
Because God has plans for them too.
Matt Hallock (27:51)
you don't, so if you are, what you're saying is that God is more eager to change, to get you transformed than you are to transform, right? So all we gotta do is just like.
Chris Miser (28:02)
yeah, yes, yes.
As soon as you jump on the trail with him, you're going. You better be ready.
Matt Hallock (28:10)
It's go time, right? Because
sometimes guys get stuck in this like, well, I can't like, I can't get that close to God because of all these things in me. But what you're saying is that's the wrong order. Go get close to God for who cares what's going on in you for the moment and just get close to him. And then that's the, that's where the life change happens. And then you don't have to worry about all of your own.
Chris Miser (28:31)
Yes. Yeah.
Matt Hallock (28:39)
disqualifications because they don't matter.
Chris Miser (28:40)
Yes.
Well, and we all have them. And Satan loves for you to get bogged down in your disqualifications. Loves it. I that's what he lives for. He lives for you going, I can't do that because of this, this and this or, or, well, I did this and nobody's going to listen to me. Yeah, you did.
Matt Hallock (29:06)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Miser (29:07)
And, but God's bigger than, God's bigger than
Matt Hallock (29:12)
Man, and that kind of attitude is kind of rampant in Christianity. Like it's so much full of everybody's just kind of ashamed of themselves. It's not good news after all. The gossip, it's like, it's supposed to mean good news, but what it's meant is kind of like, this is kind of bad news. Cause now you get to feel bad about yourself the rest of your life. So.
Chris Miser (29:31)
Yeah, no, that sounds like horrible
existence.
Matt Hallock (29:35)
It does. know. Well, it is. I know I've lived there for many years of life too, feeling very similar to that. Like I never measure up. And what we're trying to do is teach guys that they do measure up because Jesus took care of all of the crap. And he's like, because you're worth it. So you actually measure up. And the stuff that you think disqualifies you, I forgot about it. And that's what we got to
Chris Miser (29:45)
Yes.
Yes. Yeah.
Matt Hallock (30:03)
get through our head. So yeah, let's get into what you're doing. Let's get into where you're at right now. The projects you have, the transformational leadership and all of that.
Chris Miser (30:12)
Well, again, it was born on the trail and the way it was born on the trail is because after that period of that time where I was repenting and praying with God and he started, we started to talk. I mean, we talked. Well, first, first we argued. We argued for a long time. Miles, we got past the arguments and every argument that I had was clearly stupid. OK.
Matt Hallock (30:31)
I've been there. I know what that's like.
Chris Miser (30:42)
And that was revealed to be it. was like, OK, all right. And then I went and I was operating cranes and doing that, which was awesome. And I worked for a great company. But the entire time that I'm doing that, I wasn't passionate about the daily things that I was doing. And I wanted to get back to, I guess,
Matt Hallock (30:45)
Alright, I'm stupid.
Chris Miser (31:11)
my entire time in the Air Force, the leadership aspects, the being, taking care of the people that I was entrusted to lead was like the best thing ever. And I loved it and I was so passionate about it and I'm passionate about leadership and so I decided I wanna get back to that. And I wanna get back to helping others be not just great leaders, but the great leaders that God is asking you.
to be. And so the company is called Northbound Solutions and it's all about going northbound, right? So that's what I'm doing. I'm hiking northbound. I'm going to do it again. I'm going do it until I finish it. That's how that's going to go because that was my goal and I'm going to finish it.
Matt Hallock (31:53)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miser (32:02)
When we got past the arguments, God made it clear to me that he wants us to bridge the gap and not just bridge it, but just bring together professionalism with him. So profession, like we separate everything. We've removed God from schools, we've removed God from our work, we've removed God sometimes even in our family. And then when we need...
Counseling or something like that. We may even say well, I'm gonna go to a professional counselor or I'm gonna go to a faith-based counselor and No It's a professional Counselor if you go and you get if you go to God's Word and you get help That's the best place to go don't separate it from from your professional life in and so Northbound is about the journey
walking our journey in walking with god and and being better leaders better mentors, developing people in We called it in the air force and You could find it online to you is the human capital development element. That's something I really want to To do through my through my business is human capital development. So treating your people as capital
Matt Hallock (33:19)
Hmm.
Chris Miser (33:26)
Investing in them and one of the ways you invest in them is the way that God invests in us the way that that that You you live for others you invest in them God invested in us We have a choice whether to accept that or not I recommend accepting it Also change and conflict management is things I want to are some other aspects
Matt Hallock (33:42)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miser (33:55)
that our business would be involved in and that is people are scared of change. They're fearful of it. And we don't need to fear that. We don't need to fear that. We don't need to. And then conflict. Man, once you have conflict, it can completely destroy a company. It can destroy relationships. It can destroy your leadership. so conflict is another one. And throughout my career, I've had some experience
Matt Hallock (34:05)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miser (34:26)
dealing with conflict, not just in a wartime setting, but also in the office. So I want to help people with that. And then in doing all that through a Christ-centered focus. So I think, so my vision, I have it here, the vision statement is basically is to elevate your team through Christ-centered leadership. That's what I want to do. I want to help
Matt Hallock (34:31)
Yeah.
That's cool.
Chris Miser (34:55)
You elevate your team, elevate your family, elevate like through Christ centered leadership. And you hit it on that. You talk about it all the time, Matt. And that is being a leader in your household. Your your book DNA of a man, I got it right here. That's about being a leader in the house. So it starts there.
Matt Hallock (35:25)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (35:25)
And one of your chapters talks about being governed by principles and being a principally driven leader is so vitally important. And God has really, that's one of the main messages he's been sending to me is Chris.
Matt Hallock (35:40)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (35:52)
I want to get rid of that separation. Like separation of church and state. It's not a real thing. It's a fake lie. And that's just one aspect. And Christians all over the country and all over the world have given in to that lie. And they've said, well, that we got to separate. No. And God is saying, no, stop separating me. Stop removing me from that and then placing me over here. got it. No, you're all in.
Matt Hallock (35:57)
No, yeah. Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miser (36:23)
You've got to decide
whether you're all in or not.
Matt Hallock (36:26)
What you're describing reminds me of the book of Daniel, where he has the vision of like the statue that had different metals at the different sections and they all represented different kingdoms and stuff and empires. But then after the statue comes that, what starts as the rock that hits the earth and it shatters the feet of the statue or something, and then it grows and it covers, eventually covers the whole earth. And that rock is the kingdom, it becomes a mountain.
that grows to cover the whole face of the earth. And the point that Daniel, that the book of Daniel is making there is the kingdom of God is supposed to take over everything, really. Like there's not supposed to be any separation in any industry, whether it's media, education, business, government, church, family, whatever. Like, yeah, that's his desire. And unfortunately, as Christians, you're right, we've kind of been like, well,
Chris Miser (37:18)
Yeah. Yes.
Matt Hallock (37:25)
The government's the government and we gotta just stay focused on church and Jesus. And I think like, I'm not an expert on what this word means, but you know Mario Morillo talking about the ecclesia, right? Yeah, like the whole idea that the ecclesia, the word for like, doesn't he talk about...
Chris Miser (37:38)
yeah. Talk about what? What word?
maybe I-
Matt Hallock (37:49)
maybe not in the same book that you've read, but there's the word for church in the New Testament is the Greek word ecclesia, which has this meaning of like an entity or an organism that's out moving in the marketplace rather than like quarantined off in synagogues and temples and church walls.
Chris Miser (37:50)
Yeah.
and
Matt Hallock (38:16)
Maybe it's not Martin. Maybe it's someone else who is talking about it,
Chris Miser (38:17)
No, so
See, I'm on I have a terrible memory in the moment Because I just looked up the other day what Ecclesiastes meant Yes, because Hmm it might come to me
Matt Hallock (38:24)
That's okay.
yeah, I think it's related.
Now I don't know, but that's okay. that is what that word for church that Jesus himself used is supposed to mean, that there's not separation, that we are like permeating every corner of society with him and with his kingdom to transform it. That's one of the things that I am like.
that I'm passionate about. And this is getting into a different topic, but especially when it comes to like end times theology and thinking, because the typical thing is everything's going to get horrible. So we need to just hang on tight and wait for Jesus to come rescue us. And I don't agree with that. think we're supposed to, like Daniel, that mountain is supposed to grow and cover the earth. think we're supposed to be instrumental in making things get better and better and better all the time.
Chris Miser (39:32)
Yeah,
well, that's another thing that God shared with me. that we're that this is where it's been a little weird for me is when he has shared things with me that weren't there. They're not new, new things. I mean, he he sure shared them with lots of other people. And those people have written about it. But I wasn't I wasn't reading those books. I wasn't involved in that. So he shared with me, he said he the message was clear is Chris.
Matt Hallock (39:33)
by not having that separation.
Chris Miser (40:02)
church is heaven on earth and it's here and you're not in it and You've separated yourself from my church, which is right here now heaven on earth and i'm like, okay Whoa, that was a response to an argument of mine And then since then i've heard that from other That's not a new thing. So I just it was just a new thing for me. And so what might be a new thing for some of
Matt Hallock (40:29)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (40:32)
the folks who are listening today or knew for some like me, is that heaven is right here and now. The church, us, fellow believers, our heaven is now together. We're supposed to be building each other up right now.
Matt Hallock (40:37)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That reminds me of one of my favorite preachers who was very, shaped me a lot several years ago when I first found him, his name is Todd white, but he, he says that Jesus didn't die to get you into heaven. He died to get heaven into you so that we're all walking around with all of heaven, just eager to burst forth out of us basically. And a lot of us don't realize it and we don't,
Chris Miser (41:15)
Yes.
Yes.
Matt Hallock (41:21)
think about it and we're not really like, we're not answering that call, a lot of us. And so that's, that's what you and I are wanting to do is help people understand their true identity and what they truly carry and what they're truly capable of because yeah, heaven is in them waiting to get out if they'll just let.
Chris Miser (41:41)
Yes. Yes.
Matt Hallock (41:42)
Man,
it'd be a much different looking world if we all jumped on board with that,
Chris Miser (41:49)
Well...
God is moving right now and big time across the world. I'm seeing it and.
Matt Hallock (41:54)
I think he is. think you're right. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Miser (42:03)
And so the time is now.
We do not need, we should not be waiting any longer. No more waiting. We gotta move.
Matt Hallock (42:12)
Yep. Yep.
And maybe this will be a conversation for another episode too, but that kind of leads into some of the other stuff that I know is on your heart and mine as well of just seeing revival continue to happen and whoever of God's people is out there with a dream in them that they've kind of pushed down or a calling that they've pushed down.
see them mobilized to go rescue the human slaves in the human trafficking industry or whatever. I know that we've that's that's another part of everything that's going on here too. Yeah. so for now, everything is new for you. So there's no website in existence yet, but you do have a podcast shortly to be
Chris Miser (42:47)
Yes, yeah, we talked about that. Yep.
Matt Hallock (43:08)
to be available on Apple and Spotify and all of that.
Chris Miser (43:11)
If it gets loaded. I have
no... So I have some experience with leadership. OK, whatever. But putting together a business, I have no idea what I'm doing. So I'm building a business plan. I have no idea what I'm doing. I wrote some things out, threw it into chat GPT. Turns out that AI is way smarter than me. Which is... Yeah.
Matt Hallock (43:23)
Yeah.
It's like, it's your boss basically.
Chris Miser (43:40)
Yeah, that's true. work for it. my goodness, that's scary.
Matt Hallock (43:43)
It's telling you what to do.
No. I've been using it a lot lately too for different things, so it's OK.
Chris Miser (43:47)
So.
I'll start typing
in with all due respect before I talk to my chat. Yeah, it's it's it. I don't know what I'm doing. So but I will have some things in the near future. I'm building the website. I've got a friend who's helping me with that. And then I'm building the business plan. I'm putting together simple things like business cards and that kind of thing. But I'm hopefully in the near future, it'll all go live.
Matt Hallock (43:54)
All right.
Yeah.
Chris Miser (44:20)
And then there's the podcast called Heat and Light, which has not been posted yet. We'll see when maybe Apple is seeing if it's good enough. But that's going to be a time to just share. The idea behind Heat and Light is we are to go out into the world and be bold for the truth.
Matt Hallock (44:24)
Mm-hmm.
On the up and up, I guess.
Yeah.
Chris Miser (44:49)
And that is the whole point behind that podcast. And so it could be anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes of encouragement and just encouraging others to be bold for Christ. And that's everywhere, families, church, schools, work, you name it. So those are kind of two different things, the business and
Matt Hallock (45:04)
Yeah.
Chris Miser (45:18)
and then the podcast and at no point did I ever think I would have a podcast.
Yeah. That's not something that I've ever wanted to do. I guess so.
Matt Hallock (45:29)
Right.
Well, you're in it now.
for better for worse. No, it's going to be good. hopefully it gets up there soon and I can put a link to it in the show notes here. But also I'll put a, I'll put away, I'll put the way that people can contact you if they want to, if they're curious about consulting with you for their own businesses or whatever. And, and, and, just sure.
Chris Miser (45:47)
great, great.
Yeah Well, it doesn't have to be a business. I mean if you
if you're in you might be in the military and you just have questions and Anybody is welcome to reach out to me. This is this is about building God's church here and now It's not about it's not about the money it's not about it's just about building his church. So if if anybody needs anything Yeah, feel free to
Matt Hallock (46:07)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Miser (46:29)
to put out there how they can get ahold of me. And that's one of the things I'm so proud of you, Matt, for doing is all the work that you do to encourage men all over the world to follow God and walk with him, and especially in their families. So, yeah.
Matt Hallock (46:32)
Okay, yeah, cool, I will, I will.
Yeah,
thank you. Yeah, it's definitely an honor to be doing that work too. And it's now more so that we get to join forces and do it together in these different ways too. So yeah, thank you.
Chris Miser (47:08)
Yes. Yes. Yeah, thank you,
Matt. I appreciate this time. I want to do this more.
Matt Hallock (47:16)
Yeah, well, that's the plan. We're gonna and we'll do it more and then we'll, yeah, we'll save the summertime announcement for a later time when it's a bit more ready. But yeah, we're gonna do more stuff and we're gonna have more podcast episodes and yeah. All right, so everybody, thank you for tuning in today. Thank you for listening.
Chris Miser (47:29)
Okay.
Okay, yeah, sounds great.
Matt Hallock (47:42)
Thank you for supporting the show, for listening, for buying the book, The DNA of a Man. When it's up, go find Chris Miser at Heat and Light Podcast. Get in touch with him. And until next time, gentlemen, love you and peace.
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