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In this explosive episode of When All Hell Breaks Loose, we’re diving into the most controversial moments from the latest presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Join Chris King and special guest Marneia Mitchell as they pull back the curtain on what really went down, exposing the hidden truths and shocking realities behind the headlines.
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What's up? What's up? What's up? I wanna welcome everybody to the When All Hell Breaks Loose podcast. I'm your host, Chris King, and I'm excited to be here.
Chris King:We have a live audience here where we want you to be engaged, and those watching at home online, I want you to be engaged too. For those in the in the house, you have cards with a QR code, and we're gonna keep on going, and we're just gonna look at all of the stuff that you got to say. And we got stuff falling over here, and we just gonna go with it, and I'm just gonna take it, and I'm gonna freestyle right right now. So ask your questions, hit up the QR code. If you see us online, look at the QR code, ask your questions.
Chris King:We're gonna answer those questions throughout the week on social media. But before I get started, let's give it up for DJ Austin over here. See, we just here live. We're just having a good time, and I'm excited to have with me once again, miss Martnea Mitchell. She got her studious glasses on.
Chris King:She looks like she knows the Dewey Decimal System right about now.
Marneia Mitchell:I do, actually.
Chris King:I do. For y'all that don't know, that's old library system in the library. So y'all, we didn't have Google and everything like that. But, Marnia, I'm so excited to have you with
Marneia Mitchell:us. Thank
Chris King:you, Kris. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. We have an exciting topic today.
Marneia Mitchell:Yep.
Chris King:Now, Marnia, you have a lot of experience in the political realm and getting involved in politics. Just briefly let us know about your experience in the political scene.
Marneia Mitchell:It was sheerly by default and luck and persistence. It was during the pandemic, during one of the primaries here in Georgia, where I refused to get out of line. I stood in line despite there being trouble with the electronic voting boxes. In doing so, a New York Times reporter interviewed me, then Rachel Maddow, MSNBC picked it up. Then George Stephanopoulos with ABC came and interviewed.
Marneia Mitchell:1 of his team members came and interviewed me. And then even DW out of Germany, a division of PBS came and interviewed me. So it was a bit of a whirlwind during that particular political season.
Chris King:Wow. So if y'all hadn't guessed, here at the win all hell breaks loose podcast, we talk about everything. And if you hadn't guessed, all hell is breaking loose in the political scene. So, Marnia, with all of that, I wanna first ask, how did you get involved in that way? You were you said you refused to get out of line, and you just it just went all across the world.
Chris King:It did. So how did you get involved in that way?
Marneia Mitchell:I got up early, on that particular voting day. Yes. I could have voted early, but I chose to go on that particular day to vote, at my local primary because that date meant something to me. I got there early, got in line. Line was not moving.
Marneia Mitchell:We saw some people coming out. They had kind of like looked like provisional ballots or paper ballots, started asking questions. I'm a conversationalist, so I started talking to people in the line, what's going on? There was a 1 eight hundred number sign posted near us, and I was in the 4th ward at the time, very diverse, and gentrified. So it's not like days of old where a lot of people like me were waiting in line, gays, Indians, white professionals, everybody.
Marneia Mitchell:Everybody was on their laptop, hot spot doing work virtually. And these 2 gentlemen got out of the line and they had taken pictures of the 1 eight hundred number, and they literally passed it around to everybody in line for us to call the number because the line was not moving and it had not been moving. And I literally stood in line for 4 hours before I finally got inside to vote. And then once I got inside, god bless the people, it was chaos. Because usually the older people who take pride in working, you know, the ballots every year, they were sequestered inside because it was the pandemic, and to keep them safe, of course.
Marneia Mitchell:So the people who did come out and volunteer, god bless them, but they didn't know what they were doing. So we all were kinda, like, you know, working under the auspices, of course, of the rules, but getting in, doing what you needed to do when meandering through. And while I was waiting in line, white folk, black folk, couples, singles, everybody kept leaving the line and I kept moving up, moving up. And I saw this white guy over out of the corner of my eye and he kind of kept coming more and more towards me. And I was like, I noticed Joke was not getting ready to jump.
Marneia Mitchell:This is not the day, it's hot out here. It had rained, there were ants. I mean, we didn't experience 4 seasons within like an hour. And so he walks up and he looks at me and shows me his badge and he's a reporter with the New York Times. And he asked me, he's like, may I ask you a question?
Marneia Mitchell:And I was like, well, sure. And he's like, why are you still in line? They left so and so left. Why didn't you leave? And I looked at him and then I reminded myself, reporters are supposed to be provocative.
Marneia Mitchell:So I asked him move up into the shape of me because somebody else had left the line. And so I answered the question by giving him a lesson. There were people who looked like me that were beaten to a pulp because they gave their lives to try and vote a right in this country as a citizen, as a human, like an American citizen. And so basically, I just said, you know, it's disgusting and it's despicable that that we have to stand out here and wait for all of this when everybody else in other parts of Atlanta got through just fine. And that's the quote that hit the wire, hit, the printed paper and then Rachel Maddow, MSNBC picked it up that night.
Marneia Mitchell:I'm at home, my phone is blowing up. I'm thinking somebody at home was sick, you know, and no, it's like, why do you turn on your TV? And she pronounced my name correctly, you know, told what I did, gave my age, gave my quote. And I thought it was interesting because we had talked about more in terms of black history
Chris King:and the historical black plight for voting in this country. He chose to tell
Marneia Mitchell:that story with an older black woman, voting in this country, he chose to tell that story with an older black woman. But with me, he just those two words, despicable and a disgrace.
Chris King:Wow.
Marneia Mitchell:And so my 80 year old uncle called me later, and he's like, I'm proud of you. He's like, because the white people with whom you work around in that that world that you service, they know exactly what you meant and what you said. You were speaking their
Chris King:language when you said that. Yeah. So couple of years ago when you went through that, right, we had a political scene. Right? It was it was chaotic.
Chris King:Yeah. Right? But now we are moving into an election season, and I think it's even more chaotic, right, to where well, let me did you see the debate?
Marneia Mitchell:Lord, baby Jesus. Yes.
Chris King:I did. What the hell is going on?
Marneia Mitchell:I I have no idea. I
Chris King:Now what in the hell
Marneia Mitchell:I I I locked my door because according to him, people were coming to eat my dog. So I just I I didn't I I was like, are you kidding me? It took me back to bleach and a light up your hoo I just I was like, are you kidding me? Like, you this is not Saturday Night Live. This is not a skit.
Marneia Mitchell:Real people are being affected. You know, single mothers with kids, families working jobs. I mean, you know, kids with no food, lunch programs being slashed. And this is what the debate turned into.
Chris King:You know what bothers me? Well, one of the things, right, one of the things that bothers me is that so many people showed up last time. Mhmm. And I worry that we get voter fatigue.
Marneia Mitchell:I would say
Chris King:Because coming into this election season, I'm hearing, well, I don't like any of the candidates. And, you know, we we've gone through 2 debates with, you know, 3 different candidates, right, or 3 candidates. And, you know, I'll just I'll just say it. You know, the first one, I had to check my Internet connection. I I I thought, you know, my I didn't pay my cable bill that it froze that long.
Chris King:You know? I had to check my Internet connection. You know? I'm just just I mean,
Marneia Mitchell:that's something real though.
Chris King:Saying. You know? I was like, you know, is the TV on? You know? What happened?
Chris King:You know? But then, you know, this next one, it was a little sad because I felt that one candidate really played the other like a funky piano. I don't know if y'all remember that song, play you like a funky piano. Yeah. Right?
Chris King:You know, DJ Allstar, that's old school. If you got that, man, just boom, jam that in. But, you know, one person got played, I think, and it was really sad. But one of the things that really, really bothers me is that so many people saying, I don't like either candidate, so I'm not going to show up.
Marneia Mitchell:I think, you know, even the Catholic church, the pope has said America's voting for the lesser of 2 evils. And I can't say I don't disagree with him
Chris King:Mhmm.
Marneia Mitchell:Because I'm not jumping up and down, you know, but this is what we have. I mean, for the record, I'm a registered independent. I switched many years ago. I have gone one way and I've gone another way and I just
Chris King:This is about to be interesting. Oh lord. So, yeah,
Marneia Mitchell:you know, I I, you know, even the DNC, I just I I get the hoopla on the energy and in Georgia, Yale, I mean, but really, I get the energy, but at the end of the day, there's there's got to come a point in this country when we the rubber meets the road and we start making it about what matters, and that's really the families that are struggling.
Chris King:Yeah. Absolutely. You know, you said you're a registered independent. Okay. Full transparency.
Marneia Mitchell:I think what?
Chris King:Alright. Full transparency. I'm in a room full of people that's just looking like, what's up? I I have a Republican card. So so a lot of people naturally assume that just because
Marneia Mitchell:Is there a red and white hat sitting back there? No.
Chris King:You got jokes.
Marneia Mitchell:Oh, Lord.
Chris King:But but no. Yeah. I mean, so, yeah. I have Republican Party. So, but you know, you joke about the red white hat, you know?
Chris King:So, yeah, I do. And I look at it like Chris Rock, one of my favorite comedians, he once said, in I think in 2004, in his special, never scared, he said, nobody should be just all one thing.
Marneia Mitchell:I would agree.
Chris King:Right? He said, you know, and this is Chris Rock, y'all, so don't throw it at me. I just love this joke, and I remember it. But he said, some things I'm conservative about, some things I'm liberal about. He said crime, I'm conservative.
Marneia Mitchell:Right.
Chris King:Prostitution, liberal. You know? And so, you know, I agree with Chris Pine. You know what I'm saying? So nobody's just one thing.
Chris King:So I I understand your independence, you being the rich and independent. You know? But me, in regards to, you know, being, you know, voting my my voting record or whatever and having a republican card, you know, it's like when I'm in certain circles, it's like, okay. That's taboo.
Marneia Mitchell:Right.
Chris King:Right? So
Marneia Mitchell:But may I ask what swayed you to that side? Was it a default or was it a thought out process?
Chris King:Well, what had happened was, here's the whole so I ran for office, y'all. So I ran for political office, and I encourage people to really get involved. Now many people focus on the federal elections. Yes. Right?
Chris King:The president, the senators, and and whatnot, congressmen and women. But local Mhmm. Elections matter most.
Marneia Mitchell:They do.
Chris King:That's where a lot of the laws that affect you day to day That's right. Are taking place. Yep. So I ran for office in in in where I was was comprised of 2 of the most conservative counties in the country in Texas. A lot of the problems or a lot of the people that you see, the politicians that you see coming out of this area or having issues or whatever or being on the news are from the area that I I ran in.
Chris King:So I ran in a nonpartisan race.
Marneia Mitchell:Okay.
Chris King:Okay? Local elections are supposed many of them are supposed to be nonpartisan. That means nobody declares democrat or republican. So in running for a nonpartisan race, I went to the Republican meeting to talk to the Republicans, and I signed in. And they was like, you one of us now, brother.
Chris King:Yeah. And so they sent me a Republican card. And so now I just tell people I got a republican card. Now when I was running, what I would tell people, I was a pastor of a church. Mhmm.
Chris King:And I would tell people the word of God governs my life.
Marneia Mitchell:Right.
Chris King:My identity in Christ governs my life and how I see things and how I vote. Now on one side, they thought that meant I was with them. On the other side, they thought they they thought that meant I was with them. Mhmm. And I didn't say nothing.
Chris King:I was just like, you know, this is it. Right? But my identity for me, my my cultural, my political my cultural identity, my political affiliation is trumped by my okay. I don't like that word. Okay.
Chris King:Alright. My no. Alright. Yeah. Alright.
Chris King:I usually say it like that. I really do.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:But I'm a change it. Give me a synonym. Dude, thesaurus.com. Give me a synonym for, you know, my cultural and my political affiliation. My cultural and political affiliation is overshadowed.
Chris King:Okay? Right. Alright. The word of the day program is overshadowed by my kingdom identity. And so that's how I govern my life.
Chris King:But I tell people that, yeah, I there's some real real talk. There are some things I'm I'm more moderate. I'm more in the center. There's some things I'm more conservative about, and there's some things I might be liberal about. Right.
Chris King:Right? So I can't just say, okay. I'm a be one or the other. Now it's getting more like Crips and Bloods, and it's just like, what do we do?
Marneia Mitchell:And I and people are dug in. I think especially those on the Republican side, I've heard people say, you know, it's not about the individual, it's about the party. The one I I understand that. But the one thing that worries me is this individual has said he wants to be a dictator. The people that have said or done things against him, fullest level of, you know, heights of prosecution when he gets in.
Marneia Mitchell:It just, you know, if he wins, I don't think we will ever see the seat empty again.
Chris King:Well, I mean, everybody gotta die someday, but, you know, so at some point, he'll be gone. But, Mani, I'm I'm I'm I told you, I'm a I'm a push you. I'm a challenge you because that's just what I do. A lot of people have been talking about project 2025.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:So I'm a play I'm a play devil's advocate.
Marneia Mitchell:And that's another reason. I'm being I think, you know, the lesser of 2 evils to to take a different choice. I am a graduate of the University of Virginia black alumni weekend. We have every 2 years where all the black alumni are, many of them get together and we come and celebrate. We call ourselves the largest HBCU inside of a PWI.
Marneia Mitchell:We literally had just been on the grounds of the university 2 weeks before those guys descended with tiki torches. And that particular BW, I was, I'd stayed late, great weather. We're having a good time. And I was driving all the way back to Atlanta. So 10, 12 hours all the way back by myself.
Marneia Mitchell:And as I get on the outskirts of Charlottesville, I see the prettiest greenest field, the tallest flagpole and at the top, the biggest confederate flag I've ever seen in my life. And my years at Virginia, I'd never seen that in that area. It sent chills down my spine. And then 2 weeks later, 1st woman president of the university, president Sullivan, she's outside, she's attacking, you know, tiki torches, students of a myriad of races. And then they go to downtown Charlottesville and a and a white girl ends up getting killed, you know, good people on both sides by a car.
Marneia Mitchell:And I'm thinking, okay, really? Nobody's taken a stand for this? And I unfortunately think should project 2025 come to fruition, this will be a common thing. It'll be like it's nothing. What's What's a black life?
Marneia Mitchell:What is that? It already shows you people who are black in the party even higher up in the party. I'm trying to remember the name of the gentleman who during covid, arch, you know, staunch supporter of trump went to a rally caught covid and died. Did we even hear the president mentioned his name? So, you know, I I I just Lord baby Jesus, the United States is still fighting the civil war.
Marneia Mitchell:I I I, you know
Chris King:So I'm a play devil's advocate. Okay. Come through. Now Marnia did see, she she got she she said come through. So she ready.
Chris King:She about to hit me y'all. I ain't scared of white people. I'm scared of Marnia. Oh, whatever. So project 2025.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:Alright. People talk about that. Right? But as if it's some devil's bible or dictionary, like I mean, aren't but I I I can see some at least some good aspects in project 2025.
Marneia Mitchell:I'm sorry. Can you list them?
Chris King:No. No. Seriously. Okay. Because she she real talk to y'all.
Chris King:She doesn't know I'm about to say this. Right? She she's really about to probably hit me. So alright. So
Marneia Mitchell:I'm not into physical violence.
Chris King:Not yet. Not yet. Alright. So project 1, be devil's advocate. Project 2025, one of the key components is the resurgence of family.
Marneia Mitchell:That I agree with you.
Chris King:Key pillars. Right? Okay. Can we agree that the foundation of family has deteriorated deteriorated in America.
Marneia Mitchell:Yes. You have me on board with that. Yeah.
Chris King:Can we agree?
Marneia Mitchell:Sadly, I agree. Yes.
Chris King:Can we agree the foundation of family is the foundation of any thriving society?
Marneia Mitchell:I would say yes to that.
Chris King:Can we agree that there needs to be a resurgence in family values and the foundation of family rebuilt in America?
Marneia Mitchell:I can agree. However, some principles that the government set up a long time ago with the welfare system whereby a woman is in a home with children and no man can be present or her proceeds or credits are cut off. I mean that that in and of itself has deteriorated family and particularly in the black sector for people who look like you and me. So is there gonna be some rollback on that allowing a man to then come in and and you know, those benefits provide for him or some type of work training or something that's gonna enable him to uplift his family if we if we're so much about uplifting the family in this country.
Chris King:So let me ask this. Because we just saw in the debate about people complaining about something and not having a plan to fix it. Having, what, concepts?
Marneia Mitchell:Correct.
Chris King:Right? So if Project 2025, if one of the pillars is family, and we agree that family is under attack in America and not just in America, just across the world, but let's focus here in America what are ideas, what do we do to to start rebuilding that, to start having a society that can thrive then? Because I don't see any other plan if that's an issue.
Marneia Mitchell:But that plan doesn't belong to one of the candidates. That's a plan that's come about by a whole different group that has an entirely different agenda.
Chris King:But it is largely, marketed as if one of the candidates is a part of it and has has solidly endorsed that plan.
Marneia Mitchell:Then you know what? Let's open up that alleged book of project 2025 and have a bipartisan group go through and pick out the best ideas that will benefit everyone. Because when it's almost like code words, which word for thug, you're talking like a young black man family. You're talking mom, dad, you know, 2.5 kids, dog and cat and gerbil white family.
Chris King:So gerbils. My mom said gerbils are number rats.
Marneia Mitchell:Okay. We have rats. Okay. Well, rabbit, bunny rabbit. Okay.
Marneia Mitchell:So you're talking white family traditionally, if you are saying, and I don't disagree with that's a great concept, then let's go ahead and have a bipartisan group comb through this because that's a great, that's a great aspect and concept. It pulls it down to the community level of local government, just like what you said. And then we go to state and then we go to federal, but everything that starts is gonna happen right here in everybody's home. And if you got a mom and a father, you've already got a greater shot in making it in this country. Family, you know, sets off great examples for the children in the home, you know, people serving, you know, helping older people, orphans, etcetera, the whole thing.
Marneia Mitchell:But I am not gonna take the whole book. I'm not gonna throw out the baby with the bathwater. But, but there's a lot of stuff in that in that book that, I mean, we could be back out picking tobacco, sugar and cotton on mr johnny's, you know, land again. I don't think so. Or marijuana.
Marneia Mitchell:That too. That too.
Chris King:Now. So do you agree with everything that Kamala stands for?
Marneia Mitchell:No, I don't.
Chris King:Like what?
Marneia Mitchell:Well, first I don't have any concrete plan plans, you know, I mean their ideas and their concepts. So and the and the fact that, and I think it was the right move to shift president biden out. God bless him.
Chris King:I think he's still on my tv screen. Frozen.
Marneia Mitchell:I, you know, and it's not like I'm not against her. I just haven't heard enough from her and I'm tired of the cutesy, I'm tired of the, you know, I've heard more about her ethnicity and her laugh than I have about, okay, what are the concrete, decisions and courses we're gonna put into play for struggling people out here in this country.
Chris King:Okay. So what's one thing at least one thing that you agree with that Trump either has done or may plan to do?
Marneia Mitchell:Well, actually, I was in the midst of my divorce the last time he was in office, and he was the one that said, if you are paying alimony, you now are taxed and the person receiving alimony, it was not taxed. So for that, I was thankful. Yeah.
Chris King:Now I asked you that before.
Marneia Mitchell:You did.
Chris King:So I knew you were gonna I knew you were gonna say that.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:And one of the things I appreciate is that you're not just coming up here, just throwing up some stuff that you heard. You are well informed. Right? So you're well informed independent. Now I told you I was gonna push you.
Chris King:My mama, you she, like, bless your heart because, you know, you getting under my skin a little bit. But, you know, tell me about, like, the in being informed because you started talking about something. We started talking about family, and I put a pin in it Mhmm. Intentionally because some of the things that you said were laying out a foundation of how we can restore the family structure and how important that is. Right?
Marneia Mitchell:Right.
Chris King:So we can all agree that there are aspects on both sides. Now I'm just sitting here just talking.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:Right? I hadn't told you which way that I lean or whatever. I told you you got a republican card, but, you know, hey. I voted republican. Some things I'm conservative about.
Chris King:Some things I'm liberal. Yeah. Crime, conservative. Prostitution, liberal. Okay?
Chris King:Alright. But, that's Chris Rock's quote if everybody's asked. That's not Chris King. Don't be running out there saying, pastor Chris, be out there on them women. Don't be saying any of that.
Chris King:Alright. So in relation to that we agree that there are things on both sides, right, that but but what we just agreed on was the foundation Yeah. Of what what may need to be established
Marneia Mitchell:Correct.
Chris King:In this society.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:And you started walking us through local, then state, federal. So how does somebody how do we make a change? Because I just mentioned, local elections are most important, and many people don't show up in those elections. Yeah. Right?
Chris King:So how how do we get informed and how do we show up?
Marneia Mitchell:You know, the the first thing I think the one thing most people have in common, a place of worship, place of faith. If within local elections, the pastor, the leader of that house, whatever speaks to that. I think even if there's some organization that people like a food pantry or, a hospice center or someplace where people can come together by part in a bipartisan way and volunteer. And they can get information about what's happening locally with laws pertaining to things that they care about in their local community. That may be a hair pull, like a hair pan, like a pull trigger for them.
Marneia Mitchell:You know, a lot of politics is boring. People just want to live their life and just want to be, and every time you turn around, it's a law here, law there, law there until they go to do something and they find out the law has been changed and they weren't aware of it. So I think you attack it first or approach it first in some area where people care about something.
Chris King:So we often hear about Kamala and her record as DA.
Marneia Mitchell:Mhmm.
Chris King:Right? They talk about all the people that they locked up. Yeah. Right?
Marneia Mitchell:Are you aware And a lot of them look like you.
Chris King:Yeah. A lot of them look like me.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:Right? So, what do you what do you think about that? Because that was DA, that's local. Yeah. Right?
Chris King:So now it's being brought into the federal scope, right, and and showing the importance. But do you think that that's one how do you feel about that as far as its validity? And then what do you think once you answer that, what do you think about, you know, just that aspect of of of her life and her being one that locked up a lot of brothers that that look like me?
Marneia Mitchell:I think, well, one, I don't know the whole legal, you know, records with all these people. But when she was doing her job, she was doing a job she was hired to do. 2, I I don't have an issue with what she did. She is a woman of color. She pledged at a historically black college university.
Marneia Mitchell:She pledged to d 9. She's an AKA. You know, I I I she this was also brought up on the last presidential election where she was one of the candidates. I don't know why this is coming back up again. She was voted in as vice president and you know, she's doing her job.
Marneia Mitchell:She did a job. You know, I I don't know if it's any different with a white man have gotten as much pushback if he is the, as the number of black men they lock up.
Chris King:So I'm just gonna fire questions off at you. Right? I'm just firing stuff off immigration. Let's, I mean, what I mean,
Marneia Mitchell:You know, they're calling her the walls are I'm sorry. When is the last time a vice president had control over our borders? I I don't I don't know anything about that.
Chris King:But that
Marneia Mitchell:is that's
Chris King:that's that's that's that's I
Marneia Mitchell:don't think that was her her responsibility, though. I think that's what the other group is putting on as her responsibility. He is the president of these United States. I have a passport. I lived abroad for 3 years.
Marneia Mitchell:When I went into the embassy in London, the United States embassy in London, I didn't see a picture of the vice president. I saw a picture of the president hanging up on that wall. I'm in another country. That's, you know, I that's that's American soil while I'm in that building and never felt prouder. I was like, I love, I love my place now.
Marneia Mitchell:I love my country. But there was no VP in there. There was a presidential picture hanging up in there along with an American flag. So that has nothing to do with Kamala and that border. That's Biden's job and whoever else he appointed to assist him with that.
Chris King:Another topic that we often hear about, abortion. That's a controversial one. Right? I mean, it's like, what am I supposed to think when I start talking about I just told you, hey. The the word of God governs my life.
Marneia Mitchell:Yes. It does.
Chris King:Right? What am I supposed to think? How am I supposed to do? And let's be real. A lot of folks that's voting for this stuff and everything have had that pregnancy prayer.
Chris King:Oh, lord. Please don't let her pregnant. I promise if she pregnant or if she's not pregnant, I'll go to church. Right? We've we've done that.
Chris King:Right? But, I mean, that's a huge, like
Marneia Mitchell:I I think a woman should have governance over her body. You know what? Men had a role to play in that. So was anybody talking about mandatory vasectomies? Now.
Chris King:Now. I've thought about
Marneia Mitchell:it.
Chris King:I've got 4 kids. I was just there, and it's a long term
Marneia Mitchell:year old girl, 13 year old girl who's been molested by somebody.
Chris King:I mean, But that's not I mean, in in that like I
Marneia Mitchell:know that's the extreme. That is the extreme. I mean, I I just I I I just think it's it's it's leading people to other decisions that are gonna be more life threatening and trust you me on this people of means who uncle Johnny is a physician and we'll just go out to his barn and the stable below the stables, there's a such and such a table, we'll get little Becky taken care of that will always be managed and handled. But for people in the largest group of the population, I, you know, I am a believer. You know, Christ Lord is my Lord and savior.
Marneia Mitchell:Lord, forgive me. I just I think a woman should have control over her own body.
Chris King:I don't understand. I get that. I get that. I get that. But bringing faith into it Mhmm.
Chris King:Right? If we're gonna really bring faith into it, at what point do we really allow the grace of God to possibly intervene into somebody's situation?
Marneia Mitchell:Okay. The grace of God intervening in somebody's situation, it is completely possible. But there was something a couple of elections ago whereby people were like, no abortion, no abortion, save the unborn babies. And then as soon as the baby is born, they're gonna vote against welfare increases. They're gonna vote against centers for health care and centers for after school childcare because mom is a waitress and that's the only job with her education she can get.
Marneia Mitchell:So there's a whole lot of stuff on the system that's gotta be changed. Maybe that baby is is best back in the gulf. I don't know. We know better would have been sex education, would have been a loving home, but we've gotta unwind a whole lot of ball of x. You know what I'm saying?
Marneia Mitchell:Sex education being taught in the churches or in schools properly. Like, not like calling things names, call it what it is and talking about how things really happen. Like, we've gotta quit pitter pattering around and playing and being, you know, like, oh, well don't do this. And, you know, did you have a little protection? Did you wear it?
Marneia Mitchell:And, I mean, come on, folks. Rubber's gotta meet the road.
Chris King:So so is there anything you mentioned something in the past that Trump has done as president. Right? The good thing is that we have his historical representation of, hey. He was president once. Right?
Chris King:So is there anything currently that he's talking about that you feel like because a lot of people hang up on the the man, the craziest
Marneia Mitchell:In January 6th. Yeah. My god.
Chris King:You know? I mean
Marneia Mitchell:If those people who charge the capital look like you and me, they'd still be power washing blood
Chris King:off of that marble. They look like a bunch of roaches when you turn the lights on. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's just they just started scaling
Marneia Mitchell:in just how they against that. So to answer your question directly, out quick tangent. Outside There's only one thing he did that really surprised me when she brought up, the Central Park 5. Okay. And he he didn't say I'm sorry, but he did refer back to history and and he alluded to mistakes, but he also went to Michael Bloomberg, who I think was the mayor at the time perhaps, who supported him as well.
Marneia Mitchell:And I thought, you know what? He wasn't wrong in that. There was a wave of people who were saying these boys were guilty or if they pleaded. I don't know if they're coerced, what whatever. I I didn't necessarily follow the case that clearly, but they were exonerated, and they are innocent.
Marneia Mitchell:Right. Right. But I was shocked even I had never heard as much humanity from him as in that moment. Now that's not gonna make me turn my mind on something, but I was I was a little I was like, woah. There's a peak behind the curtain.
Marneia Mitchell:Even if it was just a little breeze that blew, I was like, okay. There is something in there, but I'm I'm just too afraid of I I remember real quick going to bed in 2016 when the election came about and was decided, and I felt like I wore black for 2 weeks after that because I was like, my god. What has happened? I felt like I couldn't laugh. I couldn't smile.
Marneia Mitchell:Places that I went, I felt like white people just felt like they had just so much more superiority in the way they talk to folks. And I grew up in Martinsville, Virginia, which isn't too far from Boones Mill, Virginia, where there's this huge pottery place with most Confederate stuff anywhere, and they literally will stand out in the rows with the Confederate flags and all the things. These people just felt so emboldened. And even the tiki torch people, there weren't masks of old. These people had no hoods on, so that could have been your lawyer, your doctor, your teacher.
Marneia Mitchell:So wait a minute. You struck down my loan. You falsified that I had, you know, something in my my urine when I didn't. You, are failing my kid, my nutritionist, and you gave me something that's gonna make me sick. You know what I'm saying?
Marneia Mitchell:Like, how far does this go? How far do you did did they feel so emboldened that it's gonna affect any and every part of my life? And I don't know where it's coming from.
Chris King:So they're
Marneia Mitchell:And they're given right by the person who is the leader of the free world sitting in DC.
Chris King:So a lot of people I feel that this is this may be more of a referendum against him Mhmm. And his his antics Mhmm. And his perceived character as opposed to just straight policy.
Marneia Mitchell:But my thing is who who's gonna check him? Like like, you know, God loves she by Sherek. Who gonna check me, boo? Like, who's gonna check him? Who's gonna check him?
Marneia Mitchell:He's got so many people in place behind him, and only after do they come and testify. Oh my god. I was so afraid. But but where were you when you were in it? Nobody could call him off.
Marneia Mitchell:You at best, you can leave and maybe get money when you when you go, quietly slink away and and just disappear. Like, really, that that's my greatest fear if he gets back in office. There is nobody to check him to whom he respects. I you know, his VP oh my god. Don't get me started.
Marneia Mitchell:Confusion ultimate. And god bless the wife of the VP. Talk about identity crisis. It it just is the worst awful, and I'm like, how did we get here even as this being the best candidate from the Republican party? And I know some diehard Republicans, old school, who are stand up individuals, who work hard for the community, who give back.
Marneia Mitchell:So I'm not shaming the base, that base. I don't know what this new crew is. It it just it it befuddles my mind.
Chris King:So alright, Marnia. Here's my last question.
Marneia Mitchell:Here we go. What?
Chris King:Mhmm. When are you running?
Marneia Mitchell:I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.
Marneia Mitchell:I mean I I I was sitting here talking
Chris King:about fans and I I you get him out locally, you need to get him out to the state, you need to get him out to the federal, you know.
Marneia Mitchell:I was the first black student body president, female student body president in my high school's history. I went up against, the mayor's son, he was a Jewish young Jewish man. Brian and his brother, twin brother David, and I all went to UBA. I literally had to come at it and I still say Barack stole my tagline because it was just time for a change was my tagline in high school. But I got 3 standing ovations that day from my speech because I I wouldn't say pit is not the right word, but I angled the students versus the teachers.
Marneia Mitchell:But it was letting the teachers know that the students have sense, we can do something, we can accomplish something, we're gonna be great. And and I was shocked, like, 3 standing ovations in the midst of that. But I found in working through everything after I had taken office, it it's a lot of work And I'm a straight shooter, and, unfortunately, I may be too literal. But when I take somebody at their word, the word is bond. And not everybody's like that because shade's gonna come alongside this hand's over here.
Marneia Mitchell:Again, social stuff that I wasn't invited to. This is said. This is decided. I found out about it 12 paces later. And it's sad to say that that perhaps somebody who would be great for an office won't get the opportunity to serve because they wanna preserve their life and their sanity.
Marneia Mitchell:Yeah.
Chris King:You know, in all fairness, we had this discussion and most people may not realize we agree more than what may have been demonstrated today. Right? Because I never my role here is I wanted to show what an educated and informed person looks like. Mhmm. And I wanted to ask you those questions because so many times we we hear buzzwords, and we quote buzzwords, and they don't mean anything.
Chris King:I also wanted to have some commonality where we agree that the family structure is is is crippling. It's deteriorating, and that is the foundation of any particular society, and we have to do something about it. Now as believers, this is a faith based. Right? I that is a part of who I am.
Chris King:I also have to look at the fact that, you know, I am in a in a position to possibly do something. That doesn't necessarily mean everybody has to run. Right. Right? That doesn't mean everybody has to serve office.
Chris King:But the reason why I ran for office is because I wanted to understand how to have influence without the responsibility of governance.
Marneia Mitchell:Okay.
Chris King:Right? A lot of us, we sit and we just allow things to happen to us. Right? And there's so many people that I see that just don't wanna be involved, but all they do is complain. And we hear those things that, hey.
Chris King:If you don't vote, you can't afford to complain about it. But there are ways to get involved, you briefly started talking about that. And I want to go back to that family structure and how to get involved in that or just reiterate what you said. You said we have to get involved locally.
Marneia Mitchell:Right.
Chris King:We and that means let me give you some examples. Getting going to your kid's school. Just start going to parent teacher conferences. Just start serving as ambassadors to the school. Just start.
Chris King:My my daughter asked me. She said, daddy, can you sign up for mystery reader? Yeah. Right? Yes.
Chris King:Because I want to be present in the classroom. If I'm present, you can't sit here and pull the wool over my eyes. Right? So I wanted to understand how do I have influence without the responsibility of governance? Because if you look at politicians, they spend their whole entire careers campaigning, and less governing is doing.
Chris King:So there's a lot of responsibility that is required for us. So start by getting involved in your kid's school. Start by looking at the school board, right, understanding who's on your school board. Correct. People don't realize that school board budgets, in many cases, are far lower larger than city budgets.
Chris King:Right? So understand where the money is going. Okay? So get involved at your local level. Understand who your politicians city council.
Chris King:I tell people if you wanna get involved, go to the Chamber of Commerce. Follow the money. Start going to meetings, city council meetings. You can serve on boards. There is I I figured out a formula how to really get involved and have impact and influence in places that we reside.
Chris King:Mhmm. And these are just some of the just quick tips. So if you wanna get involved now if you do not want to get involved, right, if you just don't want to get involved, you know, you really can't complain. You really can't. But you do have a responsibility.
Marneia Mitchell:Correct.
Chris King:Because otherwise, things are happening. Laws are being shaped. Laws are being formed and and passed, and you all you are are a, if you're not at the table, you become, someone who is controlled by all the other things. So you all the other things that happen to you, it's more like you become reactive.
Marneia Mitchell:Correct.
Chris King:Right? So I'm encouraging everybody to get involved. Here with the audience, we're gonna be giving giving out some cards resources. First, we wanna know, are you registered to vote? We're about to go into a political season that is critical.
Chris King:Marnie and I, we just had spirited dialogue, and I just wanted to show that, hey. You can there can be areas of disagreement. Now we really agree on most of the stuff. I told her I was gonna push her buttons. There can be areas of disagreement where we don't have to be at odds with one another.
Chris King:We can have spirited dialogue, but still have respect. And I value you, and I value your opinion. So but you're informed.
Marneia Mitchell:That's a keyword, informed. Because a lot of the the videos I've seen online where somebody genuinely just goes and asks basic questions. It is so sad how someone is just dug in for former president Trump and they have no legitimate answers to anything.
Chris King:Wrong as 2 left shoes.
Marneia Mitchell:And it's it's embarrassing. And I'm thinking, okay. You have a mortgage. You have a job. Some of these people may have multiple properties.
Marneia Mitchell:You have offspring, and yet the stuff that they're spouting, I just don't I don't understand it. And I think it just comes from a place of privilege and fear that brown and black, the numbers, our numbers are increasing in the United States and, you know, they don't know what to do. And instead of coming alongside and sitting down and having dialogue like you or I did, like, okay. What are the concrete reasons why you don't want Kamala in office? Okay.
Marneia Mitchell:Why don't you want 45 back in office? Okay. What was your take on January 6th? Okay. You know, I'm trying to think of, of, there were so many things like, just getting their view, informed view, not this rhetoric and running around with the American flag.
Marneia Mitchell:And that's the other thing. The flag belongs to all of us. I have a lithograph in my home of a little black girl holding an American flag. She's got pigtails and she's sitting in front of a white wooden clapboard home, and I forget the name of the artist, but he's based in Florida. And it and it speaks to me.
Marneia Mitchell:And but it's a bit of a conundrum too because they've claimed the flag is their own. When I see it flying now, I cringe as opposed to it belongs to all of us. I have family that served in the military. The USS Gravely that's docked in Mobile Bay is the first African American admiral of the navy is a an elder cousin of mine. And I'm like, but yet you say the flag means more to you than it does to us.
Chris King:Yeah. One of the things that as we wrap up, I want to just really reiterate that we definitely have to get involved. And there's a quote that I often say, and I wrote it in my in my last book, Black Jesus, White Jesus, Search for Colorless Christ. Go out. You can find it at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, all of that.
Chris King:Go buy it. I got a kid in college, so help me out. Alright. That quote is, difference is inevitable Mhmm. But division is a choice.
Marneia Mitchell:Wow. That's true.
Chris King:Right? We have the that that's a choice. Right? For us to have this dialogue, we can be we can have differences, and we can have differences of opinion, but we are supposed to be united in vision. We're supposed to be united in mission.
Chris King:And what I wanted to do tonight is really just lay down some commonality to say that we both believe that family is important. Now how we do it, right, we can both have differences of of opinion there. But as you mentioned, we have to get involved locally. There's so many things. We have to have the infrastructure if we're gonna make certain decisions.
Chris King:We have to have a support system to support strong families and healthy families, understanding that families go through various transitions and challenges. Right? And chaos ensues in all of those challenges and stages. Right? But understanding that during those times, that us coming together with that foundation is stronger than anything.
Chris King:So I wanna encourage everybody to get involved. Go vote. If you're not registered, go register. If you don't know who your local and state representatives are, find out find out what they're standing for. Go out to your city councils, your, school boards.
Marneia Mitchell:Correct.
Chris King:Find out what's going on. Understand what's important to you and stand on that, but also understand that we cannot be divided. A house divided cannot and will not stand. So, Marnie, I wanna thank you for all of everything that you just gave us. You gave it to me.
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