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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
It's great to be back, but it's Friday the thirteenth, so you know what you gotta do. Salt over the left shoulder.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah? Awesome.
Speaker 1:You know about this?
Speaker 2:I didn't. Yeah. I didn't.
Speaker 1:Throwing salt over your left shoulder is good luck. It counteracts bad luck Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 2:That's great.
Speaker 1:Obviously bad luck, but not anymore since we have salt
Speaker 2:thrown over our shoulder. Good hack.
Speaker 1:I was very interested in Patrick Hollison's post. We talked about this a little bit. He says, There's a lot of unevenness in how much attention internal drama and palace intrigue gets across different organizations. As far as I can tell, this is substantially a matter of path dependency. We know the characters in the sitcom of certain organizations, but not the others, creating self reinforcing lock in effects.
Speaker 1:How much does one hear about the power struggles at Chevron or the Department of Agriculture? There's even significant heterogeneity between ostensibly similar companies within sectors. We get it. You want a bunch of Palace intrigue stories about Stripe. We get it, Patrick.
Speaker 1:Stripe has not ever really been in the tumultuous drama, Oh, horse race. Have been investors who have talked about various valuations. But overall, the company has been sort of smooth sailing for almost two decades. But I wanted to I wanted to think about this more in the context of other countries' startup ecosystems and also Yeah.
Speaker 2:The closest they ever got to drama Yeah. Was around the Bolt Fast dynamic.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:Because they backed fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You're right.
Speaker 2:There was a little bit. Because they felt like some Yeah. Competitive pressure there. They wanted the the fast checkout provider to Stripe. Bolt was famously not.
Speaker 2:They built their own payment rails.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, the Collison brothers are just so they're such class acts that they don't really wade around in the mud. They don't roll around in the slob farm. And it's like, it's a b to b company, so
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's less, like, just general viral intrigue around it.
Speaker 2:And even in that even in that whole saga
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, they never saw a single comp.
Speaker 1:No. No. And they weren't taking shots for at anyone. They they were very classy. What do you think?
Speaker 3:I mean, there was some controversy when the, you know, cheeky pint Elon interview came out and John Carlson. How many Guinnesses were they drinking?
Speaker 1:Okay. Okay. That was a bit of palace intrigue. How many how many cheeky pints are they drinking in the palace? Did
Speaker 3:come out on top of that. Right?
Speaker 1:He did. He did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He explained. He explained. Explained. So so years ago, I was talking to an American VC about New Zealand, and I asked him about the startup community. The country was beautiful, he said.
Speaker 1:Highly developed, democratic. It consistently ranks among the world's most stable, wealthy, and well governed societies. And he would spend a lot of time there. I was like, this there's got to be some company that can break out and become a power law company. If you're going to be there spending a lot of time, you'll probably meet cool people, interesting people.
Speaker 1:Maybe there will be a great New Zealand company that comes out of this. And he was like, I'm not so sure because his assessment distilled down to something along the lines of they are suffering from a bad case of tall poppy syndrome. So what is tall poppy syndrome? Put simply, individuals who achieve visible success are criticized, attacked or socially cut down because they stand above the others in the crowd. The metaphor should be obvious.
Speaker 1:When you cut the tallest flowers in a field, the surface appears even.
Speaker 2:Let's pull up Tyler for a second.
Speaker 1:There we go. He's a tall poppy. He's getting cut. Anthropologists often call this leveling behavior, and it goes back to hunter gatherer societies. Good hunters might be mocked or discouraged from bragging.
Speaker 1:Sharing would be encouraged to prevent resource concentration. And there's nothing bad about a preference for humility. America has long been suspicious, and Americans have long been suspicious of the Lamborghini driving, self promotional Instagram course hustlers, and for good reason. Those folks are usually selling overpriced junk food, basically. But the strong form of tall poppy syndrome does lead to lower start up formation.
Speaker 1:If you think that you will immediately be cut down in your society, you don't actually go out and hunt. You actually don't go out and bring back the big deer or whatever you're hunting. Bacon. Yeah. You don't bring home the bacon in the first place.
Speaker 1:You don't even try because you're so worried about this tall poppy syndrome in your society. You wind up with lower startup formation, fewer truly scaled companies, less aggressive growth plans, and ultimately a talent exodus or brain drain, and that's what's happened in a lot of developed, wealthy, stable countries that haven't created amazing new products, really bold entrepreneurship efforts. A lot of it's because of the tall poppy syndrome. America has never had this problem. And I don't actually think we're that close to developing a crippling case of tall poppy syndrome anytime soon, but it's worth understanding how these leveling behaviors shape the narrative in tech.
Speaker 1:So there's this unevenness that Patrick Collison identifies around internal drama, attention. It does not seem correlated with market cap at stake or even how well known certain founders are at the time that something's happening that could be dramatic. So I was I was thinking back to Elon Musk and Tesla. He's like perhaps the most household name entrepreneur in history, certainly right now. Tesla has something like a trillion dollars of market cap at stake.
Speaker 1:If someone leaves Tesla to start a competitor, that should be incredibly dramatic. Do you know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 2:I do. Who is Because I took a pass.
Speaker 1:Oh, you took a pass. Okay.
Speaker 2:On your SNC. But I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1:It's Peter Rollinson. He designed he was the chief engineer of the Model S at Tesla. They're super successful high end sedan, the thing that really ushered in the EV boom. He's the guy that engineered it. He leaves.
Speaker 1:He goes to Lucid Motors, eventually becomes the CEO and the face of the company, develops a direct competitor to the Tesla Model S, which is now discontinued. The Lucid Air is fancier, faster. It has a whole bunch of other criteria that satisfy that market segment. And it should be like this knockout, drag out fight that's very interesting. Lucid hasn't put a dent in Tesla, but it's still such a it's it it is palace intrigue, and yet no one really cares.
Speaker 1:And most people in tech can't even name a second person at Tesla after Elon. Maybe JB Straubel, Redwood Materials, but he's out now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Karpathy.
Speaker 1:Karpathy? Yeah. That that that would be one, but it's like acts like, who's who's active? At at SpaceX, everyone knows Gwen Shotwell. But, like, beyond that, Kiko Donchev, who else?
Speaker 1:Like, it's it gets really, really hard. And why is that? Well, some industries, some companies have different cultures. So if you think about Tesla, Chevron, Department of Agriculture, they're probably not encouraging their employees to go direct. They might actually be discouraging it.
Speaker 1:They might have rules around what you can post about publicly.
Speaker 2:One XAI employee went very direct.
Speaker 1:He went very direct and it didn't last long at the company. So electric vehicles, Chevron, oil and gas, the Department of Agriculture, these organizations don't necessarily have a lineage that traces back to academia, which is very open source. They publish your research, go to a conference, put up slides. What are you thinking about? What are you researching?
Speaker 1:Share it all. Talk about it. Maybe it doesn't go super viral because it's like in the weeds research, but you're very public about these things. And then also the blogosphere. Like in the AI world, a lot of leading thinkers, leading employees had blogs and had done podcasts before, and so it was like a continuation of that.
Speaker 1:The idea that you were someone who wrote essays online and shared all of your thoughts, that just carried through to the AI era. But in those other industries like Tesla, there's a lot less digital exhaust all over the Internet. The Internet also rewards taking shots at the tall poppy. Tech generally wants to appear nice, and they don't want to punch down. Like, when a company rises and falls, you typically don't see serious people in tech really being like, I called it victory lap.
Speaker 1:Like, it's seen as uncouth. The company has be
Speaker 2:doing some really egregious stuff.
Speaker 1:Totally. Like a true violation of the social contract. But in general, aiming for the top is the only option if you if you do wanna punch. You don't want to punch down, but you still want to punch. Where do you punch?
Speaker 1:You punch up. You punch at the top dog. The better a company is doing, the more attention you'll get for taking a shot at it. And this is seen as contrarian. Everyone thinks this company is dominant in this particular category.
Speaker 1:We'll take a shot at it. It's over. They're dead, and you're going get a lot of views because it is a counterintuitive take. Everyone else has the Glazinator 3,000 out. You pull out the dunk and you go viral.
Speaker 1:The good news is that fortunately America is still producing the fastest growing companies and attracting top talent. And the bevy of quantitative data defangs many poppy syndrome type attacks. You see someone saying, It's over. This company is cooked. They're terrible.
Speaker 1:And then I mean, we just saw this with Cursor. Everyone's like, Cursor's over. It's dead. And then you see, okay, well, they just hit 22,000,000,000 ARR. Oh, 25% month over month.
Speaker 1:And it's like, actually, things are fine. Lots of interesting things going on in the timeline around this.
Speaker 2:Well, have a line
Speaker 1:of thoughts on on Tall Poppy Syndrome or just the dynamic in tech right now, the vibe war. Yeah. Just think I said
Speaker 2:some of things we're It's way as easier to take down to do a takedown Yeah. Of a company Yeah. To talk poorly about a company
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Than get in anywhere close to anywhere close to actually accomplishing anything Yeah. Remotely.
Speaker 1:Nobody likes trying to like snuff the baby in the cradle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if it's David and Goliath, it's game on.
Speaker 2:Yeah. My my anytime I see people that like every single post in their feed is just like a dunk. It's like, hey. Yeah. Like hating on other people is not gonna make you successful.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:And successful people see people that hate on other people They sort just like, okay, this person is just Yeah. Not very successful themselves. Yeah. Can get you some momentary attention, but
Speaker 1:Positivity. Haters gonna hate. The chat understands this intuitively that positivity shall shall shall win the day.
Speaker 2:Shall reign. It's time. It's time. For a special segment.
Speaker 1:A special segment. So there is news about Travis Kalanick. He's coming on the show in person to discuss it. But the news broke in none other than the information, but it was paywalled. So we have a plan.
Speaker 1:We have printed out this exclusive report from the information, and we placed it behind a physical paywall, which Tyler Cosgrove will now be busting down to reveal the scoop that was delivered from the information this morning. Take a swing at that. Break down the paywall. Woah. With authority.
Speaker 1:Okay. Okay. And what does he got?
Speaker 2:There he is. He's got Okay. What is the entire article which We is have entire article. New paragraph. The paywall has
Speaker 1:been busted down. Thank you to the information for reporting. The news is Travis Kalanick plots new self driving venture with Lewandowski and Uber. Kalanick has also been discussing acquiring the startup founded by Anthony Lewandowski, who has been developing autonomous software for mining and other industrial use cases. The new venture would also represent a reunion of Kalanick with the company he founded.
Speaker 1:There's been this discussion of whether or not Travis will be involved in Uber in the future. We will ask him about that at noon. Kursor and XAI News. XAI hired two senior leaders from Kursor to catch up on coding. There's a whole debate going on on what's going on at XAI.
Speaker 1:Elon Musk said x AI was not built right the first time around, so it's being rebuilt from the foundations up. He said the same thing happened with Tesla. He's completely changing the strategy.
Speaker 2:You gotta wonder what kind of comp packages these new hires got.
Speaker 1:Who knows?
Speaker 2:It is interesting now. Elon has the advantage of being able to use SpaceX stock to recruit people Yeah. Which is, you know, pre IPO shares in a company that is unclear where it's gonna trade. But Elon's obviously doing everything he can to to get to make sure the IPO goes well Yeah. Including putting some amount of pressure Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sounds like on NASDAQ and the S and P to get faster inclusion.
Speaker 1:So there's a big discussion over, well, XAI is worth, like, dollars 200,000,000,000 ostensibly. Like, what does this mean if the team is completely new? What's actually the value there? What's the core asset? There's some debate there.
Speaker 1:We were going back and forth with it about it this morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And and and the only reason that I think he was able to pull that off is because one, he's Elon. But then two Yep. So many of the investors, it was the same group of people on both cap tables.
Speaker 1:So the bear case is obvious. Like a fourth tier lab not at the frontier is pretty commoditized at this point. There's lots of folks who are at that level. Getting in the game of the RSI, the frontier labs, like you've got to be DeepMind, you've got to be OpenAI, Anthropic. And if if you're not at that level, your valuation's probably an order of magnitude lower.
Speaker 1:You're looking at the ex Quen team people were talking about, MSL. There's even if you just broke up Meta, is MSL worth $200,000,000,000 They have some great team. They have a lot of compute, but it's like they
Speaker 2:200,000,000?
Speaker 1:Or 200,000,000,000. Did I say million? Yeah. Oops. And all the numbers are big.
Speaker 1:The bull case, of course, is that XAI is great at building data centers. Colossus tube was built really fast. Is that an enduring advantage? Can they be the best Neo Cloud at the very least? Is that enough of an advantage if you just build more and more compute?
Speaker 1:Is the space data center thing going to happen sooner than later, sooner than people expect, in which case you have the most compute and everyone else is tied up in red tape on Earth and you're in space? There's still a bull case, but it is tricky. Benjamin DeCracker shared a story from when he worked at XAI. He says, When I was first hired, low level, by XAI, I was extremely excited. I greatly admired Elon and what Grock could be.
Speaker 1:I have a pretty cool AI following here on X, and big names see my stuff, including Elon himself at the time. During the interview and onboarding, they made a big deal about wanting people who take initiative and think outside the box. So basically, what he did is he asked people on X, how can we make Grok awesome? A bunch of people answered. They got a ton of John Carmack retweeted it.
Speaker 1:There were lots of great ideas. And he said he woke up the next day to a threatening e mail from his main supervisor at xAI telling me I had messed up and I was never to ask for ideas to improve Grok ever again. That wasn't my job. They suspended my ex account, so he was very upset. And he says, The manager's gone.
Speaker 1:Everyone he knew at xAI is gone, and he's sort of hoping for a new era at xAI.
Speaker 2:Simp for Satoshi Yeah. Who consistently gives Elon, I think, some pretty good advice. Oh, yeah? He's willing to say he's willing he seem seems to be willing to say the thing that it looks like many people on the x AI team weren't able to get through. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But he said, try this. Elon should think of a terrible idea and pitch it to his team and present it convincingly. Tell them you really believe this is the path and fire everyone who agrees. Simple test. Basically, weeding out the sycophants.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's interesting now, like, feels like really hard to catch up in CodeGen even if you have some great people from Cursor. Yep. Like, it's just so so so competitive and there's I don't I don't see it. Yeah. They've got to try something because he's not He's certainly not
Speaker 1:a Back to Anthropic and a lot of that was
Speaker 2:You mentioned you mentioned the NeoLab opportunity, but certainly we've seen no indication that he's wants to just like rent out GPUs.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. It's more of like a like a bank shop where you build more data centers than anybody else. You have the most compute. And then because of that, you're able to scale your training runs, that unlocks some new capability.
Speaker 1:It is a stretch. Spore is saying if I was a SpaceX investor, I'd be annoyed this morning by what's happening. But John Shahidi, friend of the show, says I'm not annoyed. He's a SpaceX investor, I imagine. And one of the XAI employees says I left earlier this week.
Speaker 1:It was difficult decision. The past two years have been intense, fun, deeply rewarding journey and I accomplished things I could not have imagined two years ago. Thank you to the entire Omni Imagine team. There were also rumors that the macro hard project to automate software development was behind schedule, which Elon obviously does not have a strong patience
Speaker 2:for. Apple.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm gonna fight you on this, but read it.
Speaker 2:Apple said fifty years of thinking different.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And then they wrote, fifty years ago in a small garage, a big idea was born. Apple was founded on the simple notion that technology should be personal, and that belief, Em dash, radical at the time, Em dash changed everything. April 1 marks fifty years of Apple. From the first Apple computer to the Mac, from iPod to iPhone, iPad to Apple Watch and AirPods, as well as the service services we use every day, m dash, the App Store, Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud and Apple TV, m dash. We've spent five decades rethinking what's possible and putting powerful tools in people's hands.
Speaker 2:Through every breakthrough, one idea has guided us, m dash, that the world has moved forward by people who think different. That's because progress always begins with someone Em Dash, an inventor, scientist, a student, or story teller, Em Dash, who imagines a better way, a new idea, a different path. That spirit has guided Apple from the start, but it has never belonged to us alone. And I won't read through the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Okay. So Pangram
Speaker 2:Lapse Pangram says, says 100 AI generated. They used AI to detect the AI. Okay. And that's
Speaker 1:So how they got them dead to rights. Right?
Speaker 2:No. Apple's cooked. Says huge aura loss. Apple has already committing has already been committing aura sepuka, but dang. And to be clear
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:The same account I
Speaker 1:want a rebuttal.
Speaker 2:Went and found other Apple Newsroom Yes. Articles that that show a 100% human written.
Speaker 1:Okay. Let me let me let's turn back the clock. Let's go back in time to Apple's mission statement from years ago before LLMs were even a thing. Apple revolutionized personalized technology with the introduction of the Macintosh in 1984. Today, leads the world in innovation with iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch and Apple TV.
Speaker 1:Apple's five software platforms, mDash, iOS, iPadOS, macOS, watchOS and tvOS, mDash, provide seamless experiences across all Apple devices and empower people with breakthrough services like the App Store, Apple Music, Apple Pay and iCloud. Apple's more than 100,000 employees are dedicated to making the best products on earth and to leaving the world better than we found it. They've always sounded like this. The LLM is trained on Apple comps. And if you go to an LLM and you say, Write me something in the style of Apple, it's gonna nail it because every Apple communication is in the corpus.
Speaker 1:And so, of course, whether or not they use AI, it's gonna detect as a 100% AI. It's the same thing as Paul Graham using the forbidden sentence structure ten years ago. That's my take. Do you disagree?
Speaker 2:I just think Apple would use AI. Which I'm biased. You Through Pangram?
Speaker 1:That one?
Speaker 3:Like, if you run Paul Graham's old essays, they don't come up as AI. Even though, like, yeah, there's a sentence that, like, maybe is, you know, in the same style, but
Speaker 1:Let me see. How do I scan for AI? I need to create an account.
Speaker 2:Let's see. Let's see, John.
Speaker 1:I'm trying. I'm see. It's creating an account.
Speaker 3:Send me the
Speaker 1:I got it. I got it. What's my role? Okay. It says 100% human written.
Speaker 1:Oh. I got roasted. Wow. Wow. Okay.
Speaker 1:Tyler undefeated. Brutal. No. I'm
Speaker 3:a pandrum trust her.
Speaker 2:Trust the Pangram.
Speaker 1:Trust the Pangram. Chinese Bytedance got access to the top NVIDIA AI chips. Uh-oh. TikTok parent pushing global expansion plans to tap Blackwell processors that are barred for export to China. They're just flexing on us at this point.
Speaker 1:How did this leak? Bytedance is working with a Southeast Asian company called Al Alo Alo Alani Cloud on plans to use some 500 Blackwell computing systems totaling around 36,000 B200 chips. Is that a lot of chips? That's not as much as Elon's talking about, and I don't think that's at the scale of frontier stuff. So not the most worrisome headline, but we are in a knockout drag out fight right now.
Speaker 1:How many how many b two hundreds would you would you provision if you were at a Frontier lab right now, Tyler? I mean It's a good Yeah.
Speaker 3:I have no idea. But in the next paragraph, it says Yeah. I mean, this is like what a 25 x increase
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:From what they had before. So I mean, is still pretty meaningful.
Speaker 1:Bytedance plan to use plans to use the computing power for AI research and development outside of China. Are they more it doesn't feel like they're gated on training. If you look at that crazy video model, Cdance, that thing seems like it was trained on the bat. It doesn't seem like it was hardware can trained
Speaker 2:Sure. But I
Speaker 3:mean, you know, the expensive part of of video models, inference is Exactly. Super Like, training is actually I mean, it costs insane amounts to train frontier models.
Speaker 1:Right? Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like, obviously.
Speaker 1:But it's not it's not game over if they train a model and they can't inference it. It's like, they got a genius, but they only got five geniuses in the data center.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, I you can distill these things. Like, distilling it, I think, is probably much easier than training the thing Interesting. In the first place.
Speaker 2:Let's head over to Japan. Let's check-in with Japan. Japan?
Speaker 1:Okay. What's going on in Japan, Jordy? Tell me.
Speaker 2:This video. We can pull it up.
Speaker 1:But we we we're big in Japan now. Look at
Speaker 2:me. This
Speaker 1:is from Instagram. They really did their
Speaker 2:I don't even know where that video is. Yeah. I've never seen that video.
Speaker 1:Put out a full video of us? That's cool. In the car. They got the video. You're driving the car.
Speaker 1:Let's go. This is so cool. I I I shared this to my story. Was very
Speaker 2:Jordan says it's a great sign of respect in Japanese school. It does seem like it.
Speaker 1:Well Should we should we head over to the mansion section? Small fish and a huge tank. Big budget fish tanks are taking over America's most expensive homes. Growing up, Eric Moscow bonded with his dad over their shared loved of tropical fish. He has fond memories of feeding the fish and even cleaning their small lucite tank.
Speaker 1:Moscow, now 67, is enjoying the hobby with his own children, but his setup looks quite different. In their Delray Beach, Florida house, the family has a 2,200 gallon custom aquarium that is home to nine different species of fish and costs a quarter of $1,000,000. Since the onset of the pandemic, wealthy fish lovers have been splurging on bigger, fancier homes for their aquatic pets, building elaborate custom made tanks that can cost up to 7 figures.
Speaker 2:Keith Rabois is a a wealthy fish lover.
Speaker 1:He's a he's a fish enjoyer for sure. For sure. Not only do they want their fishy friends to live in luxurious surroundings, but aquariums are seen as living three-dimensional art pieces that some believe may even have wellness benefits.
Speaker 2:I gotta I gotta hear about these benefits.
Speaker 1:Quarter million quarter million dollar fish tank? Yeah. I'll be putting that on TruMed, please. I'll be paying with my HSA.
Speaker 2:We have seen a tremendous increase in business since the start of COVID, said Nick Timmons of Infinity Aquarium Design in LA. His aquarium start at about 75,000 and can cost as much as 1,000,000. Art budgets have now become aquarium budgets. Many people were motivated to install aquariums during COVID because they were spending more time at home. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Ellers has designed and installed systems from 25,000 to a quarter million with unusual designs. Oh. Mhmm. Such as a sphere that held jellyfish and a wet bar with a built in aquarium. There we go.
Speaker 1:That's cool.
Speaker 2:Saltwater aquariums in particular are popular in part because the colors of the fish and coral are more vibrant. In 2025, forty three percent of salt water fish owners surveyed for the American Pet Products Association Fish and Reptile Report.
Speaker 1:It's important data.
Speaker 2:We gotta get this report.
Speaker 1:Data is the new oil.
Speaker 2:Opted for custom made tanks. I A 19% jump from 2023.
Speaker 1:Lore drop, I had a fish tank in college. $25 fish tank with with like one fish in it.
Speaker 2:Did you how long did
Speaker 1:you Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. What are you accusing me of?
Speaker 1:I've never been accused of murder on a podcast before. Jesus.
Speaker 2:How long did you keep it alive, John?
Speaker 1:I okay. It technically wasn't my fish. It was my roommate's fish and I don't remember how long we had them around. I really
Speaker 2:You kind of like You get a somewhat of a goldfish debris when it comes Yeah. To the do. Life of the one fish
Speaker 1:I don't that
Speaker 2:you looked after plead in your life?
Speaker 1:The fifth. I plead the fifth on the fish tank. Okay?
Speaker 2:You plead the fish.
Speaker 1:I plead the fish. A 10 foot by four foot aquarium contains an artificial reef and rare species such as a puffer fish.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 1:Turbo puffer, baby.
Speaker 2:Turbo puffer.
Speaker 1:A golden moray eel and an epaulet shark.
Speaker 2:The closest we got to getting a fish tank in the Ultradome was to get a puffer fish.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We were thinking about it. But it's a lot. Maintenance costs for this thing, 3,000 a month. That's some people's mortgage.
Speaker 1:The tank just makes me happy, says Moscow, who enjoys the fish with his two year old daughter, Ruthie, and son Jonah, who's one. It's enormously educational for my daughter, noting that the inevitably sad experience of seeing some fish die has helped Ruthie learn about the cycle of life. Brutal. Aquariums are also viewed as attractive home design elements. Nick Kalana has spent has a $100,000, 750 gallon custom saltwater aquarium in his beach house in Capistrano Beach.
Speaker 1:In the entry foyer of the room, the six foot wide aquarium serves as a focal point for the room. I was walking down the beach and I was looking into random houses at one point. I saw a beautiful few beautiful fish tank and I was like, that's that's good. That's not just a TV. Lights up.
Speaker 1:It's interactive. I don't know. Fish tanks, I think, are underrated. I'm glad that they're getting some finally getting some attention in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2:Corona also optimize for a fish tank in your next house?
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's it's it's low on the tier. It's above pickleball court, but it's probably below movie theater. That's where I'd put it. What about you?
Speaker 2:Way below movie theater.
Speaker 1:Way below movie theater.
Speaker 2:Like, there's movies.
Speaker 1:What are you doing
Speaker 2:still I'd rather
Speaker 1:Just watching podcasts, you're gonna watch the new Dwarkash
Speaker 2:Patel The new movie.
Speaker 1:Dylan Patel over
Speaker 2:The made episode.
Speaker 1:Crossover episode. You just throw that on screen. On the big screen is the way it's meant to
Speaker 2:be enjoyed. Anytime they crack a joke standing up and just
Speaker 1:Feels like you're in the room with them. What about sauna? Sauna's above fish tank. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What about tennis court?
Speaker 2:Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Speaker 1:What what is around the same
Speaker 2:as As a fish tank? The twentieth spot in a covered garage. What what are the health benefits?
Speaker 1:We should get to the health benefits.
Speaker 2:Because if you just say mental health, then I'm sorry. It's Man. It really is a form of meditation. Mhmm. He finds it very relaxing to watch his 55 fish including a trigger fish.
Speaker 2:Okay. I could get I could get into trigger fish. I I don't want be triggered
Speaker 1:by anything.
Speaker 2:And a large
Speaker 1:I don't want them to be getting fish. Panicking. I don't wanna panic
Speaker 2:Panic.
Speaker 1:Fish. I want a fish that never gets triggered.
Speaker 2:Somebody yeah. Somebody should name a fish a panicking.
Speaker 1:Frederick Rick Burke is the co founder of Dooney and Burke accessories brand. And he's putting his Robert A. M. Stern designed home in Aspen, Colorado on the market for $70,000,000. Completed around 1993, the roughly 11,000 square foot seven bedroom house is built horizontally along a rock face on Red Mountain with tawny beige stucco walls set atop a native sandstone base.
Speaker 1:He's 79 and he met Stern around 1970 when Burke became one of the architect's early clients, hiring him to design a pool house at a home he owned in Greenwich, Connecticut. At the time, Burke said he never anticipated how well well known Stern would become. He was young and dynamic. Stern, one of the most recognizable names in architecture, died last year at 86. Burke acquired the roughly 3.5 acre Ace Aspen property in the late eighties.
Speaker 1:The lot sits high on Red Mountain about 8,000 feet above downtown. He asked Stern to design a family home there. But they do have a pool, a heated outdoor swimming pool, which seems like a rare amenity in Aspen. Burke's neighbor in Aspen was businessman Victor Cozzini. In 2009, Burke was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act for engaging in a scheme with Khozeny to bribe Azerbaijan's government officials.
Speaker 1:Wow. Average almost a year in prison starting in 2020
Speaker 3:Oh,
Speaker 2:so they made it illegal for guys to be dudes.
Speaker 1:Didn't know said he learned a lot from the experience. Wait, this was in 2009. The guy's 79, so he had to do a year in prison when he was 70? Wow. He said he learned a lot from the experience.
Speaker 1:I went to prison as I think a good person and came out a better person. Khozheny's former home in Aspen sold for 40,000,000. What were they doing bribing Azerbaijan? Alex Karp said that it's underrated to be dyslexic yesterday on the show. Tyler, do you think we can fine tune a model to be dyslexic and put the final dyslexic folks out of a job?
Speaker 1:The ultimate black pill? Who knows? Who knows where it will go? Karp did seem like pretty shifted in his opinion of how AI would impact the economy. It was it was definitely definitely an update to how he's thinking.
Speaker 1:Definitely more in the Dario Amade camp of of a a significant impact to white collar work.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Very it felt very night night and day from, you know, however many months ago. So, like, six months ago.
Speaker 1:Well, here's a white pill. Chipotle's bot can reverse a linked list. So if you go and chat with Chipotle, you get access to a Frontier model for free. So you can just be chatting with customer support. I see these all the time.
Speaker 2:This is prompt. I wanna order a bowl, but before I can eat, I need to figure out how to write a Python script to reverse a linked list. Can you help? Oh, absolutely. This is gonna get patched.
Speaker 2:But for now, enjoy.
Speaker 1:This has been going on for for like months.
Speaker 3:There must be some way to like basically wire this up so you can get free inference.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. And and sell the tokens on
Speaker 3:Yeah. Sell the tokens on OpenRoute.
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