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#021: Good vs. Great Podcasts: The One Skill You MUST Master

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If I could give one piece of advice to EVERY podcaster it’d be this: the difference between a good and a great podcast is storytelling. The more engaging, relevant and relatable your stories are, the more quickly you’ll grow your podcast and brand. 

If you’re struggling to find new listeners, if you're constantly feeling burnt out from publishing and promoting new episodes, if you can’t figure out what sets your podcast apart, this episode is for you. 

In this episode:
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Storytelling: the most important skill every podcaster must master to grow their audience.
(3:57) These are the stories that turn first-time listeners into lifelong fans.
(4:35) How to use storytelling in your podcast when you're feeling podcast burnout.
(6:37) My key to viral storytelling and the best tip to use when telling stories. 
(9:40) Setting up your guests to tell better stories during their interview.

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Morgan Franklin
Morgan Franklin is a podcast producer, strategist and educator. Since 2020 Morgan has founded and produced multiple top ranking podcasts from the health industry to beauty. Featured everywhere from Good Morning America to Martha Stewart Living Morgan's passion and knowledge for branding and podcasting have helped countless business owners and brands grow their impact and bottom line podcasting. Morgan is the Founder of Podcasts for Profit and Morgan Franklin Media, in addition to host of Podcasts for Profit with Morgan Franklin.

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Morgan Franklin: If I could give
one piece of advice to every

podcaster, no matter what your
audience size is, no matter how

many episodes you've published,
no matter who your listeners

are, it would be this, the
difference between a good

podcast and a great podcast is
storytelling. If you're

listening to this right now and
you're struggling to find new

listeners, if you're constantly
feeling burned out from

publishing and promoting new
episodes, if you can't figure

out what sets your podcast
apart, this episode is for you.

We're gonna talk about what kind
of stories connect with

listeners, how storytelling
builds credibility and trust and

how the most successful
podcasters use storytelling to

grow their podcast. Hello and
welcome to podcast for profit.

My name is Morgan Franklin. I'm
a Podcast Producer, strategist

and educator. This podcast will
help you create and grow a

podcast that cuts through the
noise of social media and speaks

directly to your target
audience. If you're ready to

create a podcast that will align
you with the experts in your

industry, position yourself as a
trusted leader and create

another source of revenue for
your business, you're in the

right place. Earlier this
summer, I bought my first house,

and of course, the week that I
closed on my house was the first

HOA meeting of the year, and the
one that everybody in the

neighborhood is required to go
to. So this is a pretty old

school neighborhood, and most of
the people who live in this

neighborhood have lived there
for 25 plus years, many longer

than I've been alive. So as you
can imagine, I'm walking in with

my little checkbook, not really
knowing what to expect or how

much this is gonna cost. Oh my
gosh. I've only ever seen HOA

meetings in movies, and to be
honest with you, those looked

terrifying. And so I sit down,
and everyone is introducing

themselves and saying how long
they've lived there and where

their house is. And it gets to
me. So instead of saying, Hi, my

name's Morgan Franklin. I've
lived in this neighborhood for

four days. I said, Hi. My name
is Morgan. I just moved into the

neighborhood. And if you've seen
that blonde guy trying to push

mow two acres with an electric
lawn mower for the past 48

hours, that's my fiance. And if
anyone wants to say a prayer for

him, that'd be greatly
appreciated. The riding

lawnmower is on the way. Now.
What does me trying to get a

laugh out of my retired
neighbors have to do with

podcasting and your podcast and
telling stories on your podcast?

We all crave connection. We all
want to feel seen and heard and

welcome. We want validation and
we want community. So when I

tell a story about how we
weren't prepared at all to mow

this yard, and we didn't have
the tools we needed. I promise

you, every person that room was
thinking, Yep, I've been there

before. I know what it's like to
be a new homeowner, and I know

what it's like to just be doing
the best you can with what you

have. Almost every single person
came up to me and personally

introduced themselves, and I
feel more part of this

neighborhood than I have at
probably any other I've ever

lived in. And I say all this to
say I think storytelling is one

of the most overlooked marketing
strategies and underutilized

content creation tools, yet it's
proven to work over and over and

over. Think about your favorite
podcasters, the ones that you

just you love the most. You
can't wait to listen to their

episodes. What do you love about
them? Is it how they read a list

of facts to you and like just
rigidly outline this podcast

episode to get the maximum value
from your listening? No, it's

the way they share information.
It's the way they communicate.

It's the way they tell stories.
Now I'm from the south, so

telling stories is in my DNA.
All I do is talk, and I bet you

couldn't tell but I am a yapper.
No matter what anyone wants to

talk about, I'm here to listen
and to chime in. But I know this

doesn't come as easily to
everyone, and being a good

storyteller is an art form. So
how are you going to tell

stories that connect with your
audience. Step one is you have

to have stories to tell, duh, I
know, but this can be a lot

harder than it sounds. Some of
us are just running on

autopilot, and if that's you,
you're probably going to feel

like, wow, what story would I
possibly have to tell on my

podcast? And if you're not
paying attention to what's going

on around you that might be kind
of difficult. There is a level

of intentionality that you have
to reach in your everyday life

to be able to retell the things
that happen to you in a

meaningful and interesting way.
I'm working with a podcaster

right now on a podcast, and
she's feeling really burnt out

with her show. We've all been
there. I know I have. I keep

asking her, if she was her
listener, what would she have

wanted to learn about? What
would she want to know about?

What would she want to listen
to? Where was she 10 or even 20

years ago? And when you're
thinking about stories you want

to tell on your podcast, that is
an. Incredible place to start.

What are things that have
happened to you recently or

throughout your life that you
wish you'd known or had some

kind of foresight on before they
happened to you? Those are the

stories to tell. When I think
about this as it pertains to

podcasting and telling stories
and podcasting, I remember when

I first started in production,
and I hear a guest or a host

going into a long tangent or a
story, and I would start to

shrivel up inside. I was so
terrified of every moment of the

podcast not being just a value
add after value add after value

add that I would get really torn
up when someone was going on a

long tangent or trying to tell a
story, and now I love when

people tell stories. I love when
someone is so in the moment and

the conversation enough to share
a piece of their life and

experience. One caveat is
telling irrelevant or self

serving stories. We've all been
there, but people want to hear

your stories. They do. They
don't want to hear you brag.

They don't want to hear a long,
drawn out, pointless fact about

you. They want to know about
your experiences and your life

as it pertains to guiding their
own journey. So you can tell a

story about how you succeeded in
everything that you've ever

done, but tell it in a way that
gives me, the listener some

insight, and makes me feel like
I'm kind of getting a behind the

scenes look at how I can do the
same thing. Storytelling is one

of the most powerful ways to
build trust and earn credibility

from your listeners, but the key
is showing, not telling so what

does that mean? It means taking
the time to lay out a situation

and tell a relevant story that
relates to your topic or

episode, versus just rattling
off a list of facts and trying

to move on. We want to know how
something is relevant to us. We

want to see ourselves in a
situation and we want to be

taken on a journey. Great
storytellers see the purpose of

telling the story equal to
telling the story itself. So

good questions to ask yourself
are, what will my listener gain

from hearing this story? How can
I strengthen my overall message

through telling this story, and
if I didn't tell this story, how

would it impact the final
product of this episode? Would

anything be lost? And if the
answer is no, that's not the

right story to tell. If your
episode isn't better off for it,

don't tell it. How you tell the
story is just as important as

telling the story itself, which
brings us into the art of

telling a great story. My
personal best advice for telling

a story that hooks a listener is
to go all in from the beginning.

You don't need background, you
need intrigue. So what does this

look like, and why are most of
our stories so boring? Let's say

you're trying to tell me a story
about how you booked your first

client. You could either say, as
a consultant, I was booking my

first client and there was so
much going on that's kind of

boring. It does get the point
across, but you've already kind

of lost me. What about I still
remember the day I booked my

first client because I couldn't
believe Okay, dot, dot, dot.

Both of these are saying the
same thing, but one is hooking

me in right from the beginning,
and one is just kind of a

description of what's going on.
One is telling and one is

showing your listener wants
intrigue. They want to be

entertained by your stories. And
this can be done in so many

different ways. It can be your
tone of voice. I can't tell you

how many monotone podcasters I
want to listen to their podcast,

but there is no inflection. They
are giving me nothing. It is so

hard to stay engaged and
interested. If someone is taking

the time to listen to your
podcast, it's your

responsibility as the person
creating that podcast to give

them something worth listening
to, or they are gonna find

somebody else who will now I'm
not saying that you have to

sound like a bad off Broadway
actor, but you need to add some

inflection and tone into what
you're saying. How you say

something is more important than
what you say, and especially for

audio only. Podcasts don't even
get me started. This is all you

have. So if you're giving me a
monotone, boring voice about it,

could be the coolest thing in
the world, but if I'm not

interested, I won't care, and I
won't keep listening. But what

about guests? If you're a
podcaster that hosts guests, or

does interviews of any kind,
have you ever thought about how

you're setting up your guests to
tell their own stories. How are

you encouraging rich
conversation and making sure

that a guest has the opportunity
to tell those stories that are

going to be meaningful to your
listener? This is where

preparation comes in, and why I
always encourage podcasters who

research and send questions to
get. Before the episode, it's

almost impossible to come up
with, like, really, truly

thoughtful and thought provoking
questions on the spot. Unless

you are George Stephanopoulos, I
want you to stop thinking you

can just interview someone off
the cuff and it actually be

worth listening to. For example,
let's say you're interviewing a

life coach, and you say, Okay,
tell me more about a success

story in your business, or
something like that. That's a

question I hear all the time
coming from interviewers. Tell

me about a success in your
business. This is so boring.

This is so generic for the
listener and for the person

you're interviewing who cares
genuinely what listener is

listening and thinking, wow, I
really want to hear about this

person's success that I just met
five minutes ago. Instead, what

if you ask, what's the first
thing you work on with a client?

Or even if you wanted to ask a
similar question to the one

before, what's your favorite
story of a client's success? Get

specific and think about the
listener. What do they want to

hear? What are they coming to
this episode for? And what will

make them come back? Every
successful podcast host is able

to leverage their own experience
and knowledge to create

community with their audience.
We all need to remember this.

It's not complicated, but it
does take effort. It takes

intentionality. It takes
vulnerability. It takes

practice. I know I'm still
really working on that

vulnerability part. It's hard to
be vulnerable online, and I know

sometimes telling stories about
your own life can feel kind of

violating, because you don't
know who's gonna listen and you

don't know who's gonna judge it
or who's gonna judge you, and

that is really hard, but I
promise you this, if you aren't

willing to take the chance and
open up to your own audience,

you are never going to have an
audience. But like I said

before, we all want validation.
We all want to feel seen, and we

all want to feel heard and have
community. Your stories are

worth telling, and there are
people out there right now that

are waiting to listen to them,
you can do this. And as always,

I can't wait to listen to your
podcast. Hey, thank you so much

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