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Why do people exercise? For years, the obvious answers might have been weight loss, appearance, strength, or physical health. But Gary brings a statistic to Peter suggesting that a large majority of people now identify mental health as their primary reason for exercising. That leads to a bigger question: has exercise changed, or have we?
Gary and Peter explore why movement can have such a powerful effect on how we feel. Beyond the physiological response to exercise, being physically active can create confidence, accomplishment, routine, social interaction, and a greater sense of capability. And importantly, exercise doesn't have to mean spending an hour lifting weights. Walking, hiking, moving around the house, or doing a few simple exercises can all provide a meaningful starting point.
The conversation broadens into the foundations of mental health: sleep, relationships, social connection, nutrition, movement, and having people around us who matter. Gary shares his own recent experience with feeling unusually isolated after both of his sons left home and his wife spent more time away helping family members through medical issues.
Finally, Gary and Peter consider the role technology and artificial intelligence may play in our increasingly disconnected lives. Could AI replace more human interaction—or could widespread technology eventually create a backlash that makes gyms, clubs, concerts, hospitality, sports, and other real-world gathering places even more valuable? It's a conversation about exercise, but ultimately it's about something bigger: what human beings need in order to feel well.
Key Topics Discussed
- Why mental health may now be one of the biggest reasons people exercise
- How attitudes toward mental health have changed
- Why exercise often makes you feel better after you do it
- The importance of building a consistent physical activity routine
- Why exercise doesn't have to mean lifting weights or going to a gym
- Movement as a practical, accessible starting point for feeling better
- The relationship between physical confidence and mental health
- Why appearance can still influence how we feel about ourselves
- Sleep, nutrition, exercise, and relationships as foundational health behaviors
- Why mental health is usually multifactorial
- The importance of meaningful social relationships
- Gary's experience with loneliness after his children moved out
- Exercise and gyms as sources of social connection
- Social isolation in modern society
- AI, technology, and the gradual replacement of human interaction
- Whether AI could ultimately make real-world connection more valuable
- The future importance of gyms, clubs, concerts, sporting events, hospitality, and shared experiences
- Using technology to eliminate low-value chores and create more time for meaningful activities
Chapters with Timestamps
00:00 – Peter's Colonoscopy Prep
Gary discovers Peter hasn't eaten all day as he prepares for a colonoscopy, leading to a predictably detailed discussion about hunger, prep instructions, procedures, and the indignities of preventative medicine.
Gary discovers Peter hasn't eaten all day as he prepares for a colonoscopy, leading to a predictably detailed discussion about hunger, prep instructions, procedures, and the indignities of preventative medicine.
03:20 – Preventative Testing and the Healthcare System
Gary explains why he didn't want to wait ten years for another colonoscopy, and they discuss insurance coverage, cancer screening, Cologuard, and future testing technology.
Gary explains why he didn't want to wait ten years for another colonoscopy, and they discuss insurance coverage, cancer screening, Cologuard, and future testing technology.
06:00 – What Happens While You're Under Anesthesia?
The conversation goes off the rails as Gary and Peter wonder what medical professionals actually say while patients are unconscious.
The conversation goes off the rails as Gary and Peter wonder what medical professionals actually say while patients are unconscious.
08:25 – Why Do People Exercise?
Gary introduces the statistic that launches the main discussion: a reported 78% of people identified mental health as their primary reason for exercising.
Gary introduces the statistic that launches the main discussion: a reported 78% of people identified mental health as their primary reason for exercising.
10:00 – Are We Becoming More Mentally Unwell?
Gary and Peter discuss increasing awareness of mental health and why so many people may be looking for ways to feel better.
Gary and Peter discuss increasing awareness of mental health and why so many people may be looking for ways to feel better.
11:00 – Why Exercise Makes You Feel Better
They discuss routine, physical activity, the body's response to exercise, and the fact that people rarely regret moving once they're finished.
They discuss routine, physical activity, the body's response to exercise, and the fact that people rarely regret moving once they're finished.
13:00 – Exercise as a Non-Medication Strategy
Gary asks ChatGPT about non-medical approaches to improving mental health and discusses why exercise is such a common recommendation.
Gary asks ChatGPT about non-medical approaches to improving mental health and discusses why exercise is such a common recommendation.
14:30 – Mental Health Is Bigger Than One Feeling
Peter explains why occasional negative emotions shouldn't automatically be confused with chronic mental health problems.
Peter explains why occasional negative emotions shouldn't automatically be confused with chronic mental health problems.
15:15 – The Foundations of Feeling Better
Social connection, movement, sleep, relationships, and other basic lifestyle factors become the focus.
Social connection, movement, sleep, relationships, and other basic lifestyle factors become the focus.
16:00 – Confidence, Capability, and Exercise
Gary and Peter discuss how simply feeling capable in your own body can improve confidence and well-being.
Gary and Peter discuss how simply feeling capable in your own body can improve confidence and well-being.
17:40 – Looking Good and Feeling Good
They revisit appearance and body image and how feeling dissatisfied with your body can influence mental health.
They revisit appearance and body image and how feeling dissatisfied with your body can influence mental health.
18:15 – Mental Health Is Multifactorial
Peter breaks mental wellness into more manageable foundations: social connection, sleep, movement, nutrition, and other areas people can actually work on.
Peter breaks mental wellness into more manageable foundations: social connection, sleep, movement, nutrition, and other areas people can actually work on.
20:00 – What People Want From Fitness Is Changing
Peter notices clients increasingly talking about getting stronger, protecting their health, maintaining their bones, and feeling like themselves again.
Peter notices clients increasingly talking about getting stronger, protecting their health, maintaining their bones, and feeling like themselves again.
21:25 – The Power of Social Connection
Peter discusses how strongly his relationships and social life affect how he feels.
Peter discusses how strongly his relationships and social life affect how he feels.
22:00 – Gary Gets a Lesson in Loneliness
With both sons recently leaving home and his wife frequently away helping family, Gary realizes he needs more human presence than he thought.
With both sons recently leaving home and his wife frequently away helping family, Gary realizes he needs more human presence than he thought.
24:00 – Just Move
Gary returns to the practical takeaway: exercise can be inexpensive, accessible, and simple. Walking or doing basic movement is better than doing nothing.
Gary returns to the practical takeaway: exercise can be inexpensive, accessible, and simple. Walking or doing basic movement is better than doing nothing.
25:10 – AI and the Future of Human Connection
The discussion moves into technology, AI, and the risk of increasingly replacing real conversations with digital interactions.
The discussion moves into technology, AI, and the risk of increasingly replacing real conversations with digital interactions.
26:45 – Will Humans Push Back Against AI?
Gary shares an idea he heard Sam Altman discuss: as AI becomes more dominant, people may increasingly seek out genuine human experiences.
Gary shares an idea he heard Sam Altman discuss: as AI becomes more dominant, people may increasingly seek out genuine human experiences.
27:30 – The Value of Real-World Spaces
Gyms, hospitality, concerts, sporting events, clubs, and other shared environments may become increasingly important because they provide something technology can't fully reproduce.
Gyms, hospitality, concerts, sporting events, clubs, and other shared environments may become increasingly important because they provide something technology can't fully reproduce.
28:30 – Professional Cuddlers and Manufactured Connection
Peter introduces professional cuddling as an extreme example of people paying for a form of human connection that previously occurred more naturally.
Peter introduces professional cuddling as an extreme example of people paying for a form of human connection that previously occurred more naturally.
29:30 – Would You Own a Robot?
Gary and Peter debate whether a household robot could improve life by removing chores—or unintentionally replace valuable human interactions.
Gary and Peter debate whether a household robot could improve life by removing chores—or unintentionally replace valuable human interactions.
32:00 – Final Thoughts
Notable Quotes
“It's very rare to exercise, and when you're done, feel worse about what you just did.”“When you can move your body confidently… that kind of confidence makes you feel better.”“We probably have more superficial connections, but it's the deep ones that really matter.”“Just move. Any kind of movement that gets your heart rate up a little bit… is better than nothing.”“We'll have to manufacture and pay for social connection.”
Resources Mentioned
Cologuard
https://www.cologuard.com/
https://www.cologuard.com/
Sam Altman / OpenAI
https://openai.com/about/
https://openai.com/about/
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Creators and Guests
Host
Gary Donia
Gary Donia, MSPT is a physical therapist and Chief Operations Officer at Whole Health Solutions and Sports Performance. With more than 20 years of experience, he helps individuals and athletes recover from injury, build strength, and improve long-term physical capability. Gary focuses on identifying root causes, creating practical plans, and guiding people toward sustainable health and performance. In addition to his clinical work, he coaches high school and Legion baseball, applying movement principles to develop resilient, confident athletes. He lives in Townsend, Massachusetts, with his wife Jessica and their two sons, and is passionate about helping people build healthier, more capable lives both on and off the field.
Host
Peter Brouillard
Peter Brouillard, DPT is the Founder and CEO of Whole Health Solutions and Sports Performance. As a physical therapist and strength coach, he works with individuals and athletes to recover from injury, build strength, and develop long-term resilience. Peter takes a whole-body approach to health, integrating exercise, lifestyle habits, and performance principles to help people exceed their goals and unlock their potential. His focus is on practical strategies that create lasting change, not quick fixes. He is passionate about empowering people to take ownership of their health and build lives defined by capability, confidence, and meaningful progress.
What is Different Life?
Most people don’t need more motivation. They need a different approach. Hosted by Gary Donia and Peter Brouillard, Different Life draws on years of experience helping people navigate pain, movement, recovery, and performance — but the conversation goes far beyond health alone.
We talk about:
• Strength training as a life skill
• Back pain, mobility, and injury recovery
• Pelvic floor health and durability
• Sleep, stress, hormones, and energy
• Performance and longevity over 40
• Discipline, habits, and identity shifts
• Parenting and modeling health
• Relationship-based healthcare
We discuss these not as isolated topics, but as part of a bigger question: What does it look like to live differently, not just try to live better?
If you feel stuck in patterns that no longer fit who you want to become, this show is for you. Because better often keeps you in the same cycles. Different changes your trajectory.
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Gary Audio: [00:00:00] And we have
Wide Video: returned
Peter Audio: are back
Wide Video: again. You getting a
Gary Audio: tomorrow?
Peter Audio: Tomorrow morning,
Wide Video: Are you doing your prep?
Peter Audio: Not right
Gary Audio: But like what's
the rules on this?
I thought it was like a fast for 24 hours.
Wide Video: Like
Yeah,
I- But I'm not taking my medication yet
Gary Audio: Did you eat today?
Wide Video: You're lying. No, I'm not.
You're lying. No, I, I look-
Gary Audio: Have You
had your chicken and
Peter Audio: I
Wide Video: look dubious No.
Peter Audio: set an alarm
for myself at f- at
Wide Video: for 4:10 AM- to remind
myself to not eat
Peter Audio: when I woke up,
Gary Audio: routine. So
you haven't had any food yet today? Dude, you love to eat.
Ugh. That's like your most favorite
Wide Video: thing. Yeah.
Gary Audio: Like, when you get hungry, like, you can't get past being
Peter Audio: it's probably
Wide Video: my worst
Gary Audio: at Like,
you have to like go
Wide Video: get your food.
It's like a whole thing, Mm-hmm. and then you'll like
Gary Audio: chomp on it while, like, on the phone with somebody be- or like in the middle of a client because, like, you couldn't, like, wait any longer. I must get the food.
Peter Audio: I'm so hungry right
Gary Audio: That's why I'm bringing it up.
it made it worse
Wide Video: because you just [00:01:00] brought it up.
I know.
you
so
Gary Audio: hate this. This
is why I did
Peter Audio: gonna be a horrible
Gary Audio: It's gonna be a hard lunch. It's 1:30 it's 1:30 in the
Wide Video: in the afternoon.
Yeah, I'm an hour and a half past my lunch. Yeah. And friggin'-
Peter Audio: And- ... eight hours past my
Wide Video: breakfast. Yeah. and- And my snack
and
Gary Audio: few hours away from when you would normally eat, like, dinner.
And
Wide Video: you missed all your
snacks ... the only I eat second lunch, like seconds eats- Yeah ... is at if I go home I want to like
three- It's been
Gary Audio: a-
peaceful
day
'cause I haven't had to listen to you chew
once.
Or clink Or
Wide Video: slurp.
Gary Audio: Yeah, there's been none of that. Your teeth haven't gone in and out six times.
I hate it so much. This
is a great day. I wish you could get a colonoscopy every
Wide Video: day.
Peter Audio: I would wilt away
to nothing.
Gary Audio: nose. Is there, is there
Wide Video: any condition Oh, God ...in
Gary Audio: somebody is required to have a
colonoscopy
every day?
Cause I want, I,
Peter Audio: If they want to die
Wide Video: in a month
Gary Audio: I wish that
upon
Wide Video: you.
crude, when
Gary Audio: you start the prep?
And what is it? Is it like, like the liquid, the
Wide Video: four pills
Peter Audio: And then at
Wide Video: tonight- [00:02:00] a half
Peter Audio: a
gallon
Wide Video: of
Peter Audio: fluid. And then I'm
Wide Video: supposed to wake up at 3:00 AM- Yeah, yeah
Peter Audio: to drink another half a gallon.
Wide Video: Yeah. ~Like, ~are you kidding me? ~Like, ~this
Gary Audio: I remember when I did mine, I felt so much pressure to, ~like,~ ~Like, ~the... I felt like
if I don't- Like,
Peter Audio: If I...
Wide Video: didn't, it's just all wasted?
~Like, ~yeah,
Gary Audio: I don't do the... Then I was like, then it, a
few hours went
Wide Video: by and,
Gary Audio: nothing was happening, and I was like, "Oh my God." No way. ~Like, ~
"Come on, come on."
Peter Audio: then
Wide Video: you couldn't get off the
toilet. And then yeah.
Gary Audio: Yeah. It wasn't bad, though.
No. It was, like, generally, ~like,~ okay. Yeah. 'Cause I think, I
Wide Video: think,
I
Gary Audio: believe for the few days leading into your prep day, you're
supposed to start to, ~like,~
Peter Audio: I
Wide Video: you eat. I do zero tapering
Gary Audio: I
Wide Video: I think
Gary Audio: supposed
Wide Video: to start
eating- Up
Peter Audio: start eating- Up until ...like kind of
Gary Audio: Until- ...like, kind of brothy stuff.
You know what I mean? ~Like, ~you're supposed to get away from, ~like,~ the really- Mm ... heavy, solid things
Wide Video: The instructions
were stay away from seeds-
Gary Audio: Yeah ...
Peter Audio: and nuts
Wide Video: fruit with
Gary Audio: Yeah. I-
Wide Video: I
For, for how long?
three
days
prior.
Three
days. you could eat
Gary Audio: n- other stuff, like
chicken or whatever, you're fine.
Peter Audio: Yeah, it
Wide Video: didn't say anything about, like, [00:03:00] ...modifying anything other than, like- There was- ...I think the things that get stuck- Yeah ... in or don't get digested.
I'm
Peter Audio: feeling very
Wide Video: good. Yeah.
Peter Audio: Just
Wide Video: a
Peter Audio: of the
Wide Video: tinglies. Not
ideal.
I will remind
you- I want to eat ...
at least six
Gary Audio: know so
much.
that you
Wide Video: much.
Peter Audio: make me attend to the feeling
that I
Wide Video: don't want to have.
Yeah.
Peter Audio: Yeah.
Gary Audio: ~Um, ~okay.
Well, good luck with
that. fine. I had mine, and they told me I could come back in 10
years, and I negotiated I
Wide Video: cancer
Peter Audio: faster
Wide Video: than five
years." Yes.
Gary Audio: I
was
Wide Video: like, what
if- Or 10 years. Yeah
like what if, tomorrow- Mm ...
Gary Audio: the day after
this test- I get like a polyp or
something.
Peter Audio: little, Like a ...cell.
Gary Audio: just couldn't see it today. Right. But tomorrow, if we did it tomorrow, you would've seen it, and
Wide Video: I wait 10
years. Well, lung cancer. what do we
Gary Audio: Probably already, like, too
Wide Video: late.
Yeah. Most people- Or dead ... most people are like, "Oh, that's great. ...I'll come back in 10 years." screw
Gary Audio: I was like,
"How about five?" He goes, "Well, your
insurance might not cover it in five." I said- Fine ... "I will figure that
Wide Video: out." Yeah, I'll [00:04:00] pay
Gary Audio: it.
I go, "We will figure this
out
Wide Video: other..." Isn't
Peter Audio: that wild that most doctors'
Wide Video: recommendations are
actually whether insurance will cover it? Sure. Not whether- whether you'll live ......it's better for you. Correct,
not whether it
Gary Audio: save my life. Isn't that fucking
Peter Audio: nuts?
Right.
The medical
Wide Video: system is so brutal- I would- ... that
Peter Audio: that
Wide Video: is normal
I would
Gary Audio: over the next
couple years with all the, you know, all the, rapidly changing world of intelligence and all this stuff, stuff, that our ability to test
Wide Video: and
Gary Audio: for these
things
will be significantly better.
Yeah, probably. V- vi- like via, like
non, like cameras in your
butt kind of way.
Mm. You know, through blood, through, like, other things. I would... Or maybe even just samples, like poop samples or whatever. Yeah. Maybe better technology Yeah.
Well,
Wide Video: I would think, I'm, the reason I'm saying that is
Gary Audio: because the, the procedure is '
Wide Video: expensive. Yeah.
Gary Audio: But to have, like, have, like, blood work done or have, ~like,~ a lab sample done on, like, your stool
Wide Video: would be
Gary Audio: more cost efficient.
Therefore, you could do it significant... ~Like, ~you could do it more [00:05:00]
Peter Audio: Pretty sure there are colon
Wide Video: cancer there are.
Mm-hmm. They're current- like Cologuard or whatever. Yeah.
Gary Audio: But I think,
you know, and I don't know enough
Peter Audio: not as sensitive?
Gary Audio: not as,
~like, ~sensitive.
Yeah.
That they're still,
Wide Video: they st- even in the
Gary Audio: I think they say, ~like,~ "You should
Wide Video: still do
the- Not a replacement for colonoscopies?
Yeah, ~Like,~ do the other thing,
Gary Audio: but this
is- Yeah ...
this is pretty
Wide Video: good
kind of thing. Isn't there a colonoscopy where you still go through the
prep and then you swallow a camera?
Gary Audio: Oh, like a pill? Like with a camera, like
Peter Audio: Yeah, like you just
swallow a small camera, and it, ~like,~ just makes its way. I think
that's a
Gary Audio: That sounds like fun.
Peter Audio: just poop it
Wide Video: out.
Gary Audio: Yeah.
Peter Audio: just hand the camera out.
Gary Audio: Do
they reuse ...that camera?
Wide Video: That
Gary Audio: Sounds weird.
Wide Video: God.
Gary Audio: They should throw that away.
It
Wide Video: in the autoclave.
Gary Audio: Yeah. It's not good
enough. Yeah.
Anything that went through somebody else's,
like, intestine- Awful ... and out their poop, like I will not... I don't care how sterile you tell me
Wide Video: it
is.
You should be like- It's
not going-
you should be like, "Is this new or Used. Yeah. Like, "What do we What did they- That
matters
Gary Audio: Well, they're like, "Well, for like $2,000 you get the new
Wide Video: one."
Mm. "For
Gary Audio: 500 you get the one [00:06:00] that
Peter just had."
Peter Audio: I'll take the 500.
Gary Audio: I'll,
take that one.
Wide Video: Yeah.
Gary Audio: I don't know.
But, yeah,
well, good
luck tomorrow.
Peter Audio: Oh, it'll
be fine. Yeah. Yeah,
they're like
Wide Video: two
seconds.
Gary Audio: It's
a pretty benign, yeah.
Yeah.
Peter Audio: your side. Yeah. Your arm feels cold.
Gary Audio: You feel a little,
Wide Video: like,
Gary Audio: ~ ~When they lay you on your side Vulnerable. Yeah,
Wide Video: you
Gary Audio: feel vulnerable. It feels
Peter Audio: What's back
Wide Video: there. Yeah, it's
like, okay, why... And
Gary Audio: why does it have to be, like, 10 people in the
Wide Video: Yeah, like what's going on? They're Like,
"What are you guys
doing?"
Please pull
Peter Audio: the
Gary Audio: Yeah.
Yeah. I'd like a recording of Like, not of
Wide Video: the- Of the- whole procedure? Not
the
camera. Mm.
Gary Audio: Like, not what actually happened inside my
Peter Audio: A bird's-eye
Wide Video: view. Yeah,
Gary Audio: I wanna know what they're all
Wide Video: talking
about. Yeah, what's happening. Yeah, what
are you guys doing? Are they laughing
Peter Audio: my hairy
Wide Video: butt?
Yeah,
Gary Audio: like, do they, do they give you a little smack
on the ass?
No. Yeah, they Like, what actually occurs?
'Cause I know what I would do, like, if I was, like, working in
Peter Audio: Yeah.
Wide Video: you start making comments
I
would have
so many, like, butt jokes.
Are
Peter Audio: working a... Are they, like, laughing at your
Wide Video: Yeah,
Gary Audio: R- Yeah,
Wide Video: like- Oh, that's inappropriate. Yeah, like, there'd
be a lot of- I wouldn't want that
Gary Audio: that.
There'd be a lot-
Peter Audio: I feel like
Wide Video: [00:07:00] that's a violation. Like, there should be rules around that.
Gary Audio: I'd be fired on the first day.
Yeah,
you
would. If I was working in, like,
Wide Video: Because it's different. If you make somebody... If you make fun of somebody
Peter Audio: front
Wide Video: of their face and they laugh,
Peter Audio: But
they can't laugh,
when they're on the table. You can't just be like- Yeah ... ..."Oh, look at that hairy ass," and then, like-
and then,
and then now everybody else is
Wide Video: laughing.
Right.
Now you're laughing- But you know it happens
Peter Audio: you're laughing
at
Wide Video: the client.
You
Gary Audio: know it happens. Medical
professionals- For sure
Wide Video: for sure. Yeah ...have, like,
Gary Audio: sick sense of humors.
And they
often will get in trouble because of it, but they kinda have to do it. It's a way to get through the
day. Yeah. You
Wide Video: know what I
mean?
Yeah, for sure.
Gary Audio: Like, whether
you're working
in
Wide Video: that setting or in, like,
Gary Audio: the ER or stuff, people make k- kind
Wide Video: of insensitive
jokes all the time.
Peter Audio: I feel like
Wide Video: that's But- I
would agree
yeah ...you would be fired but
Gary Audio: I'm telling you it
Peter Audio: You would
Wide Video: be fired I
Gary Audio: been fired from most of just figured out Including this one
Yeah,
Peter Audio: Yeah, but you figured out
Wide Video: how to make people
Peter Audio: laugh the that's the
Gary Audio: As my mother used to always say, "You smile, and you get away with
And you figured
out That's what She said
That was my trick in life. That I smile, and I get away with saying whatever
I want[00:08:00]
I think it was one
Wide Video: of my teachers who told my
Gary Audio: that,
that ...How does he get away with all that stuff?" "Well, he
smiles." And here I just made myself the head of HR.
Wide Video: just- Simple ...
I thought it was like, "Peter,
Gary Audio: you wanna be HR?" "Nope." Yeah. "Okay, I'll do it." Yeah.
Wide Video: And
then you get a
Peter Audio: a report
Wide Video: submitted to you
Gary Audio: And
then- just- Denied ... yeah,
denied.
denied.
Wide Video: Everything
Gary Audio: said or did today was totally appropriate and fine, including this podcast.
So- Yeah ... all right, so I'd like to talk about... So there
Wide Video: was a,
Gary Audio: I brought my little
Wide Video: cheat sheet because I couldn't remember.
trouble remembering
Gary Audio: numbers sometimes, but there's a
recent study
and I want your reaction
Wide Video: on this- Okay ... The other
that said...
Gary Audio: They basically asked people, "Well, why do you
Wide Video: exercise?"
Like, Why do what
Gary Audio: the number one reason for which-
Wide Video: a poll?
Gary Audio: Yeah, like a poll. Like, ~um, ~so do you exercise to get stronger? Do you exercise, ~uh,~ whatever? Like what
Wide Video: are the reasons
Gary Audio: for which you exercise?
Yeah. And
78% of people answered[00:09:00]
like one way. Like that
was, this is what they chose.
What
do you think that~ ~
Wide Video: ~Um. ~78% of
Gary Audio: people
said they exercise
Peter Audio: Yeah, so it ha- so it
Wide Video: has to do with ~ ~either has
Peter Audio: to do with
the weight on the scale, they want to lose weight, or
they want to
fit
into their clothes better or
Wide Video: look better
Peter Audio: in
the mirror.
Gary Audio: the mirror. One would think, and I think that's what it used to
be.
Not anymore. And I think this
Wide Video: speaks, I think
this- So reason four? Yeah, it just happened.
Gary Audio: And so I think this speaks
to sort of where we're at as like a
Peter Audio: 78,
so-
So
Wide Video: w- so-
Gary Audio: Had n- it wasn't looks.
Although-
Wide Video: So four out of five.
in-
Gary Audio: it indirectly there's, you could probably get to looks, but it's not the
Wide Video: main reason.
My intuition is that
Peter Audio: superficial reasons
are the
Wide Video: reasons why people
Peter Audio: actually do
Wide Video: this.
Yeah. And that health reasons are on the
back
Peter Audio: this does not say
Gary Audio: It says 78% of people exercise, the number
Wide Video: one reason they exercise
Gary Audio: is for mental health.
Yeah.
Yeah. But
Wide Video: I- think
it's- As, as like your why.
Gary Audio: But, but so what got me, [00:10:00] like what got
like... And so
I know a lot of people like this- Mm ... in today's like world, and so that got
Wide Video: my attention.
Gary Audio: Okay. Because I
Wide Video: think it speaks
Gary Audio: less about exercise and more about where we're
at as a society- Maybe
with like our mental
Peter Audio: People
Wide Video: feeling shitty.
Gary Audio: People feeling generally shitty about themselves- Yeah ... all of the time, and looking for like... So, so going back to what you said about appearance, there is a component to that, right? Mm-hmm. Mental health, we
Wide Video: are, if we
Gary Audio: feel in our heads, if we feel like we look better- Mm-hmm
then our
mental
Wide Video: health does
Gary Audio: better, right? You do right? Yeah. You feel better
Peter Audio: Same with anything. If
Wide Video: with anything. If your marriage
Peter Audio: better, you feel better. If your job is better, you feel
Wide Video: better.
Gary Audio: so there is a component of like what you had said in- inside, like buried
inside of mental
health. Yeah.
But so what
Wide Video: are your thoughts this? Like, what, do ...you-
you
Gary Audio: Well- ... you felt like it was high, but
Wide Video: It's so weird ...where do you think that come,
That's interesting ... where do you think
Gary Audio: where do you think that
Wide Video: comes from? I mean, I, so I agree with your intuition. I
I think that
we've never been more mentally unwell. Yeah. You just feel it, right? Yeah. As think we're more, I think we're more so than ever.
Peter Audio: I also know that exercise
and a regular physical
[00:11:00] activity
Wide Video: routine, outside,
Peter Audio: really helps with mental health. I think you feel a lot
better. ~ ~but you
Wide Video: also have to
have a routine, like it has to be a part of your life
for that
Peter Audio: be the case, right? 'Cause
Wide Video: like
if
you're somebody who doesn't do that, and then you do,
feels
worse- Yeah
until it feels better. Yeah. but that requires the routine and the habit of it.
Gary Audio: But like exercise can be defined in many ways. Like it could be go for a walk.
Peter Audio: Yeah, it doesn't have to be lifting
Gary Audio: Yeah it
Wide Video: doesn't have to be lifting weights. Yeah, it doesn't have to be like
the lifting weights. Yeah, Yeah. So it's like, you
I think that this, this didn't have anything
Gary Audio: to do with like specifically like lifting weights. It was just like when you exercise- Yeah ... ~for, ~
Wide Video: for,
Gary Audio: for, you know, what is the reason for which you're doing that.
And the majority
Wide Video: people are saying
it's, their mental health or mental...
Gary Audio: ~So I, ~so I agree. So
Wide Video: I, there is
a
lot of science- It means that people are also thinking of their mental health. Yeah. And that,
like
a lot of people- 'Cause I know
a lot of people who do this. I know
a lot of people- Yeah. Who who exercise purely because- It's interesting. 'cause for instance, like
Gary Audio: it's very rare to
exercise, and when you're done- Yeah feel worse about
Peter Audio: what
Wide Video: never. You know what I
mean? So- You get the
resistance in the beginning, right?
Peter Audio: like, "Oh, I
Wide Video: don't wanna do
it." It's hard to
But when you overcome it- Right ... you always proud of yourself.
People...
Gary Audio: And [00:12:00] when you're walking out of
Wide Video: the gym or you
Gary Audio: finish a walk or you finish a hike or you finish...
You feel better for having
done
Wide Video: it for many, Mm-hmm ...many
Gary Audio: reasons. Just in general, like you feel
better, right? Yeah. It
Wide Video: was nice to there's
Gary Audio: chemical component to this.
Like, you know, we release what, endorphins or something- Mm-hmm ...
when we exercise. I don't know. You tell
Wide Video: me.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So ~there's a, ~
Peter Audio: there's a
Wide Video: cascade-
My brains only go
Gary Audio: Peter.
I don't... There's
a
Wide Video: far.
Th- There's a cascade of hormones Yeah ......as well as other things that get released in
the body that generally uplift your compared to when
Gary Audio: one of those. These all sound familiar to me. Yeah. Things that we know- Yeah ... that make us feel
happier- Yeah ... like generally, or have more
Wide Video: energy.
Mm-hmm.
Gary Audio: Mm-hmm. And
so
Wide Video: you generally feel better when
Gary Audio: done, And so
Wide Video: there may be, like knowing that,
people then will
Gary Audio: seek that out when they're feeling down. Like
th- th- this is the non-medic- medication
Wide Video: way-
Mm-hmm ...
Gary Audio: of trying to
get
Wide Video: combat like anxiety, like
Yeah. We, we know that exercise
Peter Audio: just as effective if not more
than
Gary Audio: Yeah. And so- that's certainly the case.
so maybe people are just more... I would say in general, I think that mental health, ~uh,~ awareness is [00:13:00] higher
than it's
Peter Audio: Definitely. Oh,
Wide Video: for sure.
Gary Audio: Whereas
I think for
Wide Video: a, for many, Yeah
~ ~forever,
Gary Audio: it was sort of people just
didn't talk about
Peter Audio: People
Wide Video: are seeking
therapy Yeah.
Gary Audio: And I think they're more- Talk- ... willing to talk about it. Mm-hmm. Talk about
when they're,
Peter Audio: Yeah,
Gary Audio: when they're actually struggling with that kind of stuff. Yeah. And they're therefore probably more
Wide Video: open to
Gary Audio: seeking solutions- Yeah ...
that don't involve
Wide Video: medication. Mm-hmm. And
Gary Audio: exercise is the most common one.
I bet you if you were to Google-
Yep ...or use one of your AI tools to look for, like, what are non-medical ways to... Why don't we do
it right now? Okay. Why don't I ask
ChatGPT-
Yeah ... what's the best non-medical way to improve my medical, mental health? Okay. And let's see what it
says. 'Cause maybe this is what people are
Wide Video: doing.
Gary Audio: know what I mean? Maybe they're looking- Yeah ... they're searching
for- Yeah ...
Wide Video: We know what- ...or, or looking at- We
Peter Audio: know
what it's gonna
Gary Audio: what it's gonna say. What is the
best non-medical way to improve my mental
Wide Video: Come on, robot.
Peter Audio: Diet
And exercise.
Gary Audio: Yeah.
For most people, so this is [00:14:00] ChatGPT
discussing- Yeah ... the answer to our question.
For most people, the single best non-medical way to improve mental health is regular exercise, especially when
it's consistent, enjoyable, and includes some social connection.
So there you go.
Peter Audio: exactly
the correct way It's
Wide Video: not
just- Nobody needs us anymore, Peter. They're
just- Yeah. AI rules all
Gary Audio: go, they're
going to the AI. But that's, I bet you that's what's happening. People are probably, again, they're more acutely aware
Wide Video: of-
Mm-hmm their mental
Gary Audio: health Mm-hmm ...because they
see it in a lot of places, right?
Yep. Right now we have s- we have a big one going on in the news in Massachusetts
with a mother who tragically killed her
Wide Video: children- Mm-hmm ... ~ ~
Gary Audio: suffering from postpartum depression. ~Uh, ~so there's a big awareness on,
like, that kind of mental health right now. There's, ~uh,~ uh, obviously on social media, I think younger generation is very, very aware, more so than they've ever been about, ~like,~ their own mental health, especially after COVID.
Mm-hmm. Having gone through COVID. ~Um, ~social isolation is
Wide Video: a big thing. And
Gary Audio: it may be the awareness, and then, and then they're doing what I just did, which is, okay, like I, I'm aware that I'm having trouble with my mental health. Yeah. How do I fix
Wide Video: this?
Yeah. And such a broad term,
Peter Audio: like well, how [00:15:00] are you And there's a difference between chronically
feeling one way and, and having bad feelings. And I think
Wide Video: sometimes we chase,
like, feelings,
it's o- like,
Peter Audio: it's okay.
It's part of, ~ ~is
like, sometimes you're up,
Wide Video: sometimes you're down. That's a normal flow. Yeah.
But if, ~like,~ down
Peter Audio: all of the time, yeah, then you should probably
address some of that.
Wide Video: It's kind of similar It's
Peter Audio: like,
your
Wide Video: weight, too.
In a sense that,
like,
Peter Audio: if you're feeling bad-
Gary Audio: Yeah
and
you, yeah,
and you feel like You look bad
Wide Video: don't get good sleep-
Yeah
relationships
aren't doing well. Maybe you don't have a lot of
Super multifactorial. Yeah.
at some
of the foundational elements and
Peter Audio: of the big
picture items, okay, well, do I have a social life?
Right.
Wide Video: No?
Peter Audio: Maybe I should work on
that a little
Gary Audio: that a little bit. Yeah. Good one.
Peter Audio: Do I move
or am I
Wide Video: mostly look at that
one,
Gary Audio: that one,
Peter Audio: Like,
it'll
Wide Video: give
you more confidence.
more outgoing. see you in a different [00:16:00] multifactorial, it's ridiculous, right?
Gary Audio: Yeah.
I think
ex- I think exercise g- is like sort of the broader thing going on here, but people are getting all the things that you just said. Yeah.
They can get social connection
Wide Video: Yes. They
Gary Audio: get the chemical, ~ ~release that we discussed earlier that- Yeah ... that has the effect of making you feel better
Wide Video: and They
Gary Audio: start to build... When you can move your body confidently, not even the looks, when you can just move it confidently or
do things for
yourself- You can do a lot
or feel like you can do things like just getting up and down from the ground or like being able to climb sta- like that kind of confidence makes you feel. When you lose those
things, like when I described running- Through ... through the airport or, or rec-
Peter Audio: What?
Wide Video: I
Gary Audio: was on a
plane.
Peter Audio: Yeah.
Gary Audio: Right? And we're going down the runway,
and we went...
And I've actually been pretty, doing pretty good with my like, my weight
is pretty, in a pretty good spot- Yeah. and I've been
working out.
But we went, we were going down the runway. We went over like a pretty big like sort of bump, the
Wide Video: whole and
Gary Audio: like I felt like
my boobs
move. And
I
was like, I probably didn't feel worse about myself than in that, [00:17:00] like that moment.
I was just
Peter Audio: just like, "
Wide Video: Ugh."
Gary Audio: like, "Ugh." Damn it. Like I've been working, but like clearly not enough. Like yes, I felt like, I was like- Yeah ... "Oh my God, like what just..." I was like, "They're not supposed to do that." They just haven't.
Yeah, like, that's
not- They're supposed
Peter Audio: that.
What just
Gary Audio: Yeah. That's not supposed to be something that happens to my boobs.
Yeah. But
anyway. But,
so yeah, so like when you like, when things like that happen- Yeah ... and you kind of feel bad about yourself in the moment of like, "Oh, how did I let
Peter Audio: Yeah, if you have a lot of those things-
"get like this?" ... it
Wide Video: feels worse.
Whereas
Gary Audio: exercise can solve a lot
Wide Video: these
Peter Audio: ~It, ~it's
a part of the equation. It's a part of the big puzzle. Yeah. I di- yeah. It's, okay, so
Wide Video: it's interesting, so you started with,
~ ~definitely
wrong in terms of particular-
I don't think you were totally wrong.
S- so
Gary Audio: think you were totally wrong.
I
Wide Video: you look bad- Yeah ... and you've, and you
Gary Audio: If you look bad- Yeah ... and
you've, and you,
personally feel that you
look bad- I mean, that's there
Peter Audio: that's literally a saying, right? Look good, feel
Wide Video: good .
Yeah.
Right. It's like good to
Gary Audio: good saying.
Like if you're... Yeah, I think that's hard for a lot of people. Like they know what is perceived as the
Wide Video: ideal body, in, in a- Yeah
Gary Audio: Yeah ... and we, we're fed it all of the time. Yeah. On like TV, movies,
Wide Video: social media- Yeah, Yeah ... whatever. And if you don't
Gary Audio: fall into [00:18:00] that- Hmm
I would s- I
could see where
you would, where- Yeah ... you know, where that
Wide Video: would be one of the bigger- I have so many Yeah. This is,
there's ~like,~ there's like this word, right?
I am
That
is such a loaded word for so many reasons. Mm. And up until
Peter Audio: a decade ago,
it was I am depressed equals I
Wide Video: must go on
Gary Audio: Yeah.
Peter Audio: Right?
Gary Audio: It's a very
Wide Video: It was kind of- They're very quick to that yeah ......it was more synonymous
Peter Audio: with ~like, ~...well, if you're
Wide Video: depressed, then
you should be on this makes you less depressed.
Yeah. It's less so
Peter Audio: It's less so now. It's certainly still
the case that plenty of people are on
Wide Video: anxiety and depression
Peter Audio: But the
Wide Video: reality
Peter Audio: is, like there are like 1,000 factors as to why
you may feel
less good than you used to- Yeah ... or
less good than
Wide Video: you would want. And, and there, and I
think,
think there's
like,
1,000 things,
Peter Audio: but if you
Wide Video: break them down into their foundational elements, and you make it easier on yourself, you think, "Well,
Peter Audio: how can I
be more
Wide Video: social?
How can I get more
sleep?" Yeah. "
Peter Audio: How
Wide Video: can ...I move more?
Peter Audio: And how can
Wide Video: I eat [00:19:00] better?" And if you
Peter Audio: just like distill
those down and
Wide Video: and think, "Well, what is the thing that I can
Peter Audio: action
Wide Video: on today
Peter Audio: in those
Wide Video: areas?" Like, I promise
you, right, unless it's just
Peter Audio: a
Wide Video: pure chemical imbalance that has nothing to do with any of those other things, which
Peter Audio: alm- never is the case- Yeah
it's so multifactorial.
Like,
Wide Video: I promise you, you can make inroads
into your mental health- Mm ... by looking at, like, where
Peter Audio: I be
Wide Video: better in some of these areas? ~Like, ~
Peter Audio: I,
it just,
that's just how
Wide Video: it works.
Yeah.
It's like an easy...
is probably the
Gary Audio: best way, place
to start.
Peter Audio: It
Wide Video: you the most bang for your buck
yeah,
Gary Audio: most bang for your buck. ~Like, ~you're gonna get a lot accomplished 'cause you're gonna, you know, y- you're
gonna hit many of
those things that we mentioned
Peter Audio: Many of the
Wide Video: problems ...are inside of those foundations,
Peter Audio: You know, and
Wide Video: get online, right
Peter Audio: start solving your problems over time if you put
effort into
Gary Audio: Also shows that only 20% of people are, like, seeking it for some other reason. I wonder what that reason is mainly. Probably looks, right? Just
like- strength.
Wide Video: wanna fit into a bikini.
Gary Audio: bikini. Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.[00:20:00]
Peter Audio: There's been a
Wide Video: lot more noticed
Peter Audio: that are using different language
when they talk
about why they need help. Like,
get
somebody, meet somebody for the
Wide Video: first time.
Peter Audio: How can "I help
Wide Video: you?
What's going on?" "
older. I
don't feel as good. stronger." Yeah. sure that my bones are Whereas, ~like,~
Peter Audio: that message is certainly a bit more out in, like, the regular
Wide Video: society.
~Um- ~you
Gary Audio: a lot of, ~like,~ "I wanna get back to, ~like,~ the
person-
Wide Video: That I used to be
I used to
Gary Audio: be.
There's a lot of that.
Wide Video: that
I wanna feel like I used
Peter Audio: to feel. I
Wide Video: feel. Yeah. I don't like the way that I feel lately.
Gary Audio: Yeah, there's a lot of that,
Wide Video: that,
So that has, Like a mental
Gary Audio: health component to it ... it's like a nostalgia thing. Like there was a time, you know, in my... There was a time that I
didn't look like this or feel
Wide Video: like this or, or I could do...
Or
like when I,
Gary Audio: know, like the example I said when I ran through the airport, you know, and I was like, I couldn't, you know... Why does everything happen at airports for me
or on airplanes? '
Peter Audio: cause you're on airplanes a lot I need
Wide Video: You're on airplanes
a lot. I need to
Gary Audio: stop going on airplanes. a
lot. This is like, that's bad for my mental health.
Yeah. And I actually consider myself to have, like, pretty good m- mental health, but I think everybody has their moments, right? Yeah. Everybody has their moments. I know you have in [00:21:00] the
past. There was a time, there was a little stretch there where you struggled quite a bit- When? ...for a while. I don't know, at, ~like,~ I think back at the NSPTD.
I forget, there was something going on in your
Wide Video: Was it when I
was trying to l- was it when I was,
Peter Audio: starting this
Gary Audio: It
Peter Audio: I don't know ...or was it before
Gary Audio: that?
It was, like, probably, ~like,~ right
before that or leading
into it.
I think there-
Wide Video: it, Was
I consistently down-
Yes ... for a- Well, it was
Gary Audio: like when we were
calling you mad a lot like a stretch. Yeah. Yeah, There was a stretch
where you were sort of down a lot.
Mm. And you had
said, "
Wide Video: I've
Gary Audio: just
been, like, struggling lately," or whatever. I think there was
Wide Video: think there was some a
Gary Audio: little bit. I think there's probably stuff like the work stuff. There's probably like a, a cumulative
Wide Video: effect of all that stuff ... your kids certainly affect me. I'd say social stuff probably
Peter Audio: me more than I, I know that when, when my
social ducks are in, a row,
Wide Video: like, when I'm not
Peter Audio: fulfilled
by the people that I care about or, like, and family- Yeah
Wide Video: then that's something that
Peter Audio: gotta lean cause
Wide Video: that that usually
Peter Audio: does a
Wide Video: more
than
Peter Audio: I think
we're less socially fulfilled- in the past. We that are
close. Right.
We probably have more superficial
Wide Video: connections, but it's
Peter Audio: deep ones that really
matter.[00:22:00]
Gary Audio: I yelled at Jess yesterday.
No. Well, yeah. Well, I didn't yell at Jess.
It's just for all the people out there like, "Oh, this And
Wide Video: You beat your wife? Yeah.
Gary Audio: my... No, I didn't beat up. I yelled at her
'cause she, she's been, uh, her... Unfortunately, her parents have been having some medical issues, so she's been spending a lot of time at, like, local
hospitals. Yeah, Which she 100%
Yeah
And so I kind of jokingly was like, she came home and I was just like
So
just to be clear, I go, our children have just left us, 'cause our, Ashton went back to college,
our, my oldest son, and my youngest son is now up in
Canada playing juniors hockey. So both children move out of the house in like a stretch of a
week.
Yeah. Right?
And then Jess is never home. I literally go home and I'm just alone
for, for, hours. Isolated. And I sort of pride myself on somebody that I always say, like I don't really need a lot of social
connection. But- Oh, the last few
Wide Video: You do
Peter Audio: are alone ...have been like ...tough. Yeah. I'm
Gary Audio: like watching the minutes
go
Wide Video: by. I'm
checking the
Gary Audio: Find My iPhone
location. Yeah.
Like, where is everybody? Is anybody coming home? Nope. So I
Wide Video: don't need [00:23:00]
What I real-
Gary Audio: what I've, what I've realized, like kind of looking at it, I was like, okay, what is, what is it?
Like,
what is going on
here? Yeah. I
Wide Video: don't need you to be in the same room
as me.
Mm. I don't need to be But I
Gary Audio: like to know that you're there.
Do you see what I'm
saying? Yeah, I know.
Or I like to know,
Wide Video: like, your footsteps.
to
Gary Audio: hear you in the middle of
Wide Video: the night.
I've heard you say these things
Gary Audio: like a body like next to me, like in the room, you know, in the bed.
I don't need to like, you
Wide Video: I don't
need to be cuddled. You want sterile isolation.
Gary Audio: Yeah.
Like, I don't like that. Mm-hmm. That I've figured out.
Wide Video: like,
Peter Audio: nobody is bad. Yeah. The
Gary Audio: poor dog is probably "
Wide Video: Get away from me." He's like- Like,
Gary Audio: yeah. I'm like, "Bella, you're the only one- Yeah ... that like, loves me."
~Um. ~Yeah, so I'm
Wide Video: gonna need Jess to
Gary Audio: spend more time at the house.
Yeah, she basically abandoned me. Everyone abandoned me in the same week, but maybe I should go to
Wide Video: the gym
Gary Audio: more.
And meet people there,
Wide Video: and
have-
them- I
Peter Audio: you do a
Wide Video: lot of that
socializing
Peter Audio: at Yeah.
Gary Audio: See a lot of
Wide Video: people
at the gym. I think that's a good
Peter Audio: place for
Gary Audio: Yeah,
Wide Video: I
Gary Audio: should probably just spend more time there 'cause I got nothing else to
do.
Peter Audio: talk more.
Wide Video: I mean,
Gary Audio: just...
wa- I'll be [00:24:00] the
Wide Video: person
Gary Audio: that's there for, ~like,~ four hours just, ~like,~ everyone tries to avoid because they can't work
out
because I'm just
Peter Audio: You're just going from person to person.
Gary Audio: Got it. So
anyway, well, I fo- I thought it was inter- ~I thought, ~I
thought it spoke
to like,
well, one, I
Wide Video: think it was good, it's good to have the conversation
Gary Audio: around how valuable exercise can be for people who are struggling with mental health.
I think it's, ~like,~ a, there's a low entry to it. It
Wide Video: doesn't have to be a gym.
Gary Audio: It can be a walk. It can be a hike. It can be free. It can be just moving around your house,
Wide Video: doing some, like,
Gary Audio: squ- air squats and lunges and whatever, right? ~Like, ~you can do pushups.
Like, you
Wide Video: could do just something, right? Just move.
Like, any kind of
Gary Audio: movement
that gets your heart
rate up a little bit- Just move a
Wide Video: It's better than nothing. yeah ...is
gonna be, like,
is
Gary Audio: better. ~Um, ~and
Wide Video: you can, of course,
Gary Audio: that even further and try to,
Wide Video: like, some
Gary Audio: of the other
Wide Video: things, ~ ~
Gary Audio: weight or do whatever. But
it
Wide Video: But it doesn't even
Gary Audio: have to be that.
It's, ~like,~ just, ~like,~ just start to move.
~Um, ~but ~I thought, ~I thought in addition to that, ~like,~ the exercise piece, which I thought was interesting, more so the wow,
Wide Video: like, shows
Gary Audio: me that people are really
struggling. Mentally. As,
Wide Video: like- society, [00:25:00] we're if we were to do that
Gary Audio: same poll
20 years
Wide Video: ago-
a very
different Yeah. Yeah. It's sad. It's sad. the
Peter Audio: The robots are taking over.
Gary Audio: Yeah.
I do love
Wide Video: my
phone.
Peter Audio: We're going into the
matrix.
Gary Audio: We're going
Wide Video: a robot?
Peter Audio: Would I ever
Gary Audio: robot? Would I ever? Like an
actual humanoid that, like, lives in your
Wide Video: house.
Peter Audio: And does things for
Wide Video: me?
Peter Audio: I think I would
Wide Video: be a wicked hypocrite if I said that that didn't appeal
Peter Audio: me. Like, I
like the idea of our digital coworker that
we currently
Wide Video: employ. Yeah.
Peter Audio: Right? Does a lot of work for us, makes our life more
efficient. Yeah.
~Um,~
Wide Video: am very
Peter Audio: wary
of, like for instance,
Wide Video: turning to
AI robot
opposed to asking you a Or
having my children- I
mean,
we had a
Gary Audio: the other day where you had the AI
Wide Video: sit in on the meeting
with us.
Peter Audio: She was... a third
partner But there is something insidious, though, Yeah ......if you think [00:26:00] especially with the voice
Wide Video: function of it
is easier to
Peter Audio: pick up my phone that's always with
Wide Video: me anyways AI a question Yeah ......instead have
a human connection person and
Peter Audio: have a
conversation, right?
Gary Audio: Well, the other person might not know the answer either.
Wide Video: That's fine. Yeah. But, when you, when you get
Peter Audio: into the habit of reaching ...for the robot- Yeah ... to answer your
Wide Video: question,
Peter Audio: like the thing in my home that does it, instead of like
Wide Video: having an
wife-
Yeah.
my children,
Peter Audio: we're slowly
Wide Video: replacing human connection with technology.
Yeah. And it's happening extremely
slow to the point
Peter Audio: that,
Wide Video: like, we just get used to it.
think that's
alarming, and I think
Peter Audio: I would be wary
to think through how this is affecting my life if I
take sure.
Gary Audio: I listened to a, a really good podcast the other day with Sam Altman,
CEO of OpenAI.
Yeah. Founder,
CEO. And, ~uh,~ he talked a lot about this, and he basically said
like, "I totally get what everyone's saying." He's like, "I actually think it's gonna have like sort of the opposite [00:27:00] effect." He's like, "Super intelligence
is gonna do a lot of things, and it's gonna be transformational. It already
is. Certainly
gonna
change
jobs and
things like that," even the knowledge, all that. But he said, "I think, and I believe, that it's actually gonna... It's gonna have like a positive effect
on like so- on on the
ne- like humans are
Wide Video: gonna like sort of
Gary Audio: fight back against-" Mm. "... like at some point because ingrained in
us
as is human connection. And so that at some
point- Well,
Wide Video: be some pushback ...there's gonna be like
Gary Audio: this, like,
shift.
You can see that. But then there's gonna be this pushback of like, "Okay, well, where do I
get this? Because I mi- I miss that. I
Wide Video: I And so where do I get it?" So he's like, "So
industries
Gary Audio: cater ...to that," and he just kinda named
Wide Video: like a few-
Gary Audio: Yeah kinda like stuff that
we do, like sort of gyms or-
Hospitality ... ~um, ~hospitality, like vacations, hotel, you know- Oh, yeah ...stuff Like, that, like, ~uh, ~sporting
Wide Video: events. Mm-hmm. Concerts.
Gary Audio: Anywhere where we can create, like... Or club, any kinda club or
Wide Video: anywhere we get "Those people are gonna do
amazing."
spaces. ~Like, ~yes.
Gary Audio: He's like, "It's gonna be a... Like that's gonna be [00:28:00] Like
an amazing thing 'cause people are gonna seek it out because we have to." It, it
Wide Video: is
amazing. It won't be by accident in your regular
Gary Audio: Yes.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's
like, it's gonna
Wide Video: Much like physical activity.
Yeah.
Gary Audio: So he acknowledged the idea that there's gonna be like this
shift- Absolutely
Wide Video: crazy but he also thinks
Yeah. There'll
be ...a faction that pushes '
Peter Audio: cause they have to, 'cause
we need it.
Yeah. Like, you're right,
right?
Wide Video: Like, We, manufacture ourselves and our
clients- because 50 to 100 years ago, Yeah ...it
happened automatically They worked in
Gary Audio: Fields or- ... whatever, yeah automatically ... yeah, they didn't
Wide Video: to manufacture it. Nobody did this bullshit, right? "
It's
Peter Audio: you
Wide Video: can see ...the same exact thing. Yeah. You'll have to manufacture
pay for social Right. Do you know there are professional cuddlers?
Gary Audio: I I
d- It just, it
Peter Audio: I
Wide Video: just
Peter Audio: pshw.
Wide Video: weren't
ready for that one.
Gary Audio: I
Peter Audio: There are.
Gary Audio: I
did not know that. Yes. But ~like, ~so
Wide Video: you- No, you can hire a professional cuddler.
So
Peter Audio: Much like a prostitute ... can
Wide Video: you
pick
Gary Audio: the kind of cuddling? Can I be like, "I get to be the big spoon, you're the little [00:29:00] spoon"?
Peter Audio: I
Wide Video: think so Yeah
Peter Audio: As long as,
like, it's not
Wide Video: prostitution Right. I might
Gary Audio: do that since Jess left me.
Wide Video: I have time People
will
Gary Audio: over, I'll cuddle them.
Wide Video: But yeah, I mean, that is a dystopian future, right? ~Like, ~
Peter Audio: somebody feels so
Wide Video: alone Yeah ......and socially disconnected- Yeah ... that
Peter Audio: have
Wide Video: to pay. They don't even want, ~like,~
Peter Audio: sex part. They
Wide Video: just want, ~like,~ the connection piece. Yeah. The human connection. '
I'll pay a stranger- To cuddle ...to
Gary Audio: How do you know this? Did you look this up? No. Oh.
Peter Audio: Yeah, I just... It
Wide Video: happened.
Gary Audio: happened. What
Wide Video: are you searching,
for these-
Peter Audio: When you
Wide Video: my phone? Yeah. Get my phone my face.
Gary Audio: Yeah.
Right, well now we're both gonna have it all over our feeds 'cause our
Wide Video: Ah, God, 'cause that's interesting. we're
gonna get advertising for professional
cuddling. That's
interesting. Yeah. ...
I think,
Gary Audio: I think, ~um,~ I would embrace a robot. I think you would love a robot because you... So I, the
Wide Video: least- Yeah,
that's my instinct too,
but but I feel like I'm gonna, ugh ...Yeah, but I think the way that you would do it
Gary Audio: is because it would allow you to spend...
So, so in your buckets of, like, happiness- Mm-hmm ... right, exercise and [00:30:00] family and social and blah, blah, blah, all the things that you always know, the five pillars
Wide Video: of Peter- Mm-hmm ...
Peter Audio: But
Gary Audio: None of those are a
Wide Video: robot. But if the robot can do
the enjoy- Yeah, that's true ... ~like ~So
your
Gary Audio: chores- Yes. or-
like shovel the driveway or,
Wide Video: ~like, whatever.~
To allow me
to do more of
the other things. So, so instead of
Gary Audio: the driveway- Yeah ... like, you're out playing in the snow with your
Wide Video: kids. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, So,
like, so- I don't disagree with you ...
so you're getting to
Gary Audio: do that stuff, and you're getting rid of the things that, ~like,~ don't really bring us much,
Wide Video: fulfillment
Gary Audio: or value.
Yes. Like, maybe it makes us a little bit lazy. Maybe it takes away some of that stuff of working with our
doing- ...
Mm-hmm ...whatever, 'cause the robot is doing these things. But ~like, ~quite honestly, if I never had to empty a dishwasher again, like, I wouldn't be all
Wide Video: that
Peter Audio: Totally. Right?
And so that's
Wide Video: not the problem,
Peter Audio: that it's the stuff
Wide Video: that you don't see.
Yeah.
Peter Audio: like, Yeah ...would it ever
Wide Video: by accident, without me knowing it was happening, be a replacement
Peter Audio: for
Wide Video: the social engagement
Peter Audio: that I could have with my wife? I just, I don't, I just don't know
Wide Video: it's
Gary Audio: sometimes. I don't see myself ever sitting around talking to Like, just having, ~like,~ a, like, a conversation like we're having.
Mm. You know, I would ask it questions- much like I ask, like, Google or- For information ... yeah, [00:31:00] information. think, but maybe who knows? I guess it depends on how real they
Wide Video: get. Yeah, I don't
know. It's creepy.
We're
Gary Audio: heading there. I mean, within the next 10 years, there's gonna be ro-
Peter Audio: totally see the justification- that you just said, and that's exactly why I
Wide Video: would get it. Yeah.
Peter Audio: I'm also hesitant 'cause I
Wide Video: understand
Peter Audio: my fallibility of a
Wide Video: human being.
Oh, no, not the
fallibility.
Gary Audio: I thought we were done with that
Wide Video: word.
That was in context. Ah. And I would do it, but otherwise.
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
Gary Audio: Well, we got off a little off topic, but it's whatever.
It's our show. We can do whatever the hell we
want. Fun stuff People coulda hit stop a long time ago. That's right. I don't care. Do
Wide Video: All right. Do what you want. ~Uh, ~
Gary Audio: all right, very good. all right, Until next time. All right. Peace.
See ya.