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Dom Valenti wanted to be a chiropractor. At sixteen, a radiologist talked him out of it. Years later an academic advisor looked at a C+ in zoology and told him he'd never make it to med school.
Dom Valenti wanted to be a chiropractor. At sixteen, a radiologist talked him out of it. Years later an academic advisor looked at a C+ in zoology and told him he'd never make it to med school. Both were doors closing — and Dom now says both were God. He spent four years in a busy emergency room and works today in a cardiac ICU, and in this conversation he tells Ryan what he's actually seen: not lightning-bolt healings on the hospital floor, but what he calls micro-miracles. A 36-year-old stroke patient who hadn't been out of bed in seven days. A bath, a beard trim, some music, and a man fist-bumping the air from the edge of the mattress. Two old friends from Franciscan talk about what it looks like to bring God to a bedside when the system gives you seven minutes.
In this episode
Chapters
00:23 — Opening prayer, then health wins and health sins
04:29 — Deleting social media, boredom, and where creative thought went
07:14 — The "doom loop" and why God speaks in the quiet
13:05 — Franciscan, households, and how these two know each other
14:56 — Wanting to be a chiropractor, and the advice that redirected him
18:49 — Finding nursing, and a competitive advantage he didn't expect
22:14 — The Austria semester and the phone call at the train station
26:58 — Why the ER, straight out of school
29:36 — Modern medicine isn't the enemy: where it saves and where it doesn't
32:25 — Have you ever seen a miracle in the hospital?
34:00 — The 36-year-old stroke patient, and what one nurse decided to do
40:03 — Dom's shoulder: healed at a retreat he didn't ask to be prayed over at
43:55 — Two goals at every bedside: make them laugh, bring God in
48:40 — "Be excellent at your craft. Be kind." Evangelizing at work
51:13 — Inside Ryan's practice: an hour a patient, and why that's unusual
55:40 — Praying for every patient, praying with some
55:47 — The Surrender Novena and letting go of "my diabetes, my back pain"
61:11 — Closing
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Health in the Spirit is a Christian health and wellness podcast with Dr. Ryan and Annie DeNome, a chiropractor and a theologian raising a family in Cincinnati, Ohio. Each week they bring holistic health, the wisdom of the healing saints, and the teaching of the Church into one conversation about how to live well, body and soul. Rooted in Saints, Scripture, and the Catechism, the show explores what the ancient wisdom of the Church has to say about the modern health crisis: nutrition, movement, rest, healing, and raising a healthy family. New episodes every Tuesday, beginning July 7, 2026.
You found us. Come on in. We're just getting started. This is Health in the Spirit. I'm Annie DeNome
and I'm Dr. Ryan. And each week we're going to be sitting down with you at our kitchen table
to talk about where modern medicine meets the wisdom of Christianity so that we can learn
how to take care of our bodies like we're going to live forever and our soul like we're going
to die tomorrow. Pour yourself something warm and pull up a chair. Welcome back to the table
guys. Today we are blessed by the presence of my good friend, Dom Valenti. He's a Georgia boy
at heart, born and raised outside of Atlanta. And he is now up outside of Columbus, Ohio. So he
drove down for the afternoon filming it after a busy day in the office on this Friday here.
That's why I'm still dressed like this. Forgot to change your clothes today. So that's where
we're at. But Dom is not super prepared for this podcast. Doesn't totally know how we do
things here. So we're going to start in prayer and then begin like we always do with health win,
health sin. Then we'll kind of get into a little bit of an intro. A deeper dive intro
into who Dom is and what he does and why he's here on this podcast. So with that, let's go
ahead and open in prayer. In the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and men.
God, we just ask you to please bless all of the listeners listening to this podcast right
now. We just ask that you open their minds, hearts, and ears to the words that they need
to hear from this podcast so that they are inspired to do more of your will and that you
can bring more joy, peace, gratitude for your goodness into their life. We just ask that you
fill myself and Dom's heart, mind, and soul with the voice of the Holy Spirit so that we
speak only truth and life out to our listeners. In Jesus' name, we pray.
Amen. Amen. Great prayer. Without further ado, our health win and health sin of this week. We're
going to give Dom a second to think about it because I just sprung the fact that we're doing
this on him. As you can tell, communication has been a little off here, but that's good.
He is fantastic on his feet as an ER nurse of four years now working in the cardiac ICU,
but we'll get into that a second. Health win, health sin, I'll go first. Health sin of this week.
We haven't been sleeping quite as much. I'm working on building an app for my patients and just for
people to use in general. It's going to track food, food allergies, having a little AI diet
assistant, all that good stuff. I've been staying up way too late working on that.
And then also waking up early to take care of patients, which has looked like a lot more
caffeine. So not getting enough sleep, drinking a little bit more caffeine. And I am really only
reaching for coffee, not too many energy drinks just because I have a lot of crazy ingredients in
them. So I don't love to put that in my body. So even if I need to do caffeine, try and keep it
a little bit healthier. Caffeine is not bad, but too much of anything can absolutely be bad.
Health win though, I've been actually using the app that I've made in the prototype version
to track some of my macros, make sure I'm hitting all my goals for the week as far as food goes,
avoiding my food allergies, all that good stuff. And I've been almost 100% every single day. So
even though I've been sleeping less, I have been fueling my body just with food and caffeine.
That's where we're at. Just super busy week. Dom, what do we got over here? Health win,
how sin? Well, yeah, I can say somebody who has worked in an ER for four years, I know all too well
high caffeine consumption and lack of sleep. So I resonate with you on that. And I'll just,
I'll give you the bad stuff first. So my health sin would be I have had a Celsius energy drink
almost every day this week. Okay. If the exact energy drinks we were talking about just a second
ago. So definitely a health sin. That's okay. Which it's, the whole additive thing is crazy
because I can tell, like if you have coffee, you get that caffeine. But when you have a Celsius,
it's like, it's almost like you're on drugs. Another planet. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah.
So too much, too much. So yeah, that's my health sin. My health win is, so this is a little unorthodox,
but I actually deleted social media. I started two weeks ago. More people should do that.
I agree, man. It's a rapid increase of quality of life, like right out the gate.
First, you're like really bored and you're looking for things to do. But then you have
all this unrealized time at your disposal. So it kind of parallels to a health win because
it allowed me to start running, jogging, getting into the gym, having conversations
with people I love, just more intentional thought, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And I think
boredom, like I always wonder about this. Like this is like a shower thought a little bit,
but I always wonder like one of the reasons we probably don't have as many Michelangelo's
and Leonardo da Vinci's in the world and Picasso's and just like these people like Beethoven,
all in on piano from the time he was three. Like there, what, how many iPad kids do you see out?
Oh my gosh. So not to get on my show box too much here, but like how many more of those people
would we have in the world if like, I don't know, if you looked at my screen time just
because I'm on social media posting and stuff like that, like if you look at my screen time
sitting in front of a computer working all day, like hours on a screen, some of it's productive,
some of it's good, creating things, all that good stuff, like the app I'm making is helpful,
but it keeps you on your phone a little longer. Right. But yeah, I always wonder
how many people there could be out there. Oh my gosh, dude, it's honestly like,
you know, everybody talks about like pandemic, COVID, all these things, but like,
I think the real widespread pandemic that we have is technology. Like,
I can't tell you how many, like if you go to a Target, not that I'm going to Target,
but if you go to any grocery store or any shopping center and the kid is sitting in the basket
and they're just like glued to a screen and I'm like, that can't be healthy.
Like. Oh yeah, there, yeah, especially with dependent, like there's better and more shows
obviously to watch. And have we put our son in front of a screen when we need five minutes to do
something? A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Not going to sit here and lie and pretend I'm
perfect, but we also don't own a TV, so he's not in front of screens super often.
But yeah, screen time can be, is really a menace. There can be. It can be. It can be
used for so much good. You guys have probably used a screen to hit listen and play on this
podcast here. Yeah. And you get, hopefully this is going to add some value to your life.
So it can be used in both ways. But yeah, that's, that's awesome. How long, how long are you planning
on doing that? So I'm going to start with a month and just, just as a reset. So I recently
actually read a book that inspired me to do this. It's called The Meet, it's called The
Meeting of Your Life. It's by a Catholic psychotherapist. His name is Arthur Seabrooks.
Highly recommend the book. It's, it's phenomenal. But one of the things he talks about is
what we just talked about. It's technology use and how it's putting people in what he
describes as like the doom loop. So essentially there's two sides of your brain, right?
The left side of your brain is that which controls like your analytical thought.
And the right side of your brain is that which is like the numinous free thought of like,
you know, like asking and answering questions that you can't Google and answer to.
Yeah. Like why does God exist? Where is God? Who is he? Who am I? Right?
So his argument in the book is that the way that we've discovered the meaning of our life is
through the right side of our brain. And screen time technology use, doom loop,
like doom scrolling, completely blocks that. So you're just just, you're in this constant
doom loop of distracting yourself. So there's a meaning crisis in our world today because
people are essentially on this hamster wheel of like social media comparison, which brings
a host of other issues, you know. That's super interesting.
This is not what this podcast was supposed to be about today, but here we are,
we're just going to keep it going. But that's super interesting because I think during COVID,
you even saw like, you don't have, people didn't have the distractions of going
outside into the world to go like go to Target and shop like people were stuck in their houses.
You kind of had two people. Some people like fell into a deep dark depression because
they were faced with extra free time, working less on their screens more, watching movies,
all those things. So they're either like distracting themselves with those things,
falling into a depression or you had people that lost like 300 pounds and went walking outside
and started exercising in their apartment. And so it's like, you kind of have these two people
and it's that like, you're just saying there's two sides of your brain putting you in that
doom loop just kind of made me think of like the people that had that drive to do other
stuff or picked up a new hobby where you would like flow into that other part of their brain maybe.
I don't know if that's accurate or not, but. Oh, absolutely. Well, and that's like,
I've been doing this for two weeks now. So, you know, the data that I have.
Deep into it. Yeah. The data that I have is maybe like, you know, a little bit naive
or premature, but it's already, it's like, total game changer. It's like, I'm having thoughts
and memories that I would not have had otherwise, you know, because when you're on the social media,
like again, if you're watching content like this, these are things that can help steer you in a good
direction, right? But when you're on like Instagram or Facebook and you're just like
dopamine maxing yourself, there's no good that comes out. It actually exhausts you
and then you get depressed and slumped. But what I've noticed is like, you know,
I was admittedly starting to kind of fall into that sometimes. If I was bored,
I would start scrolling. And thus, since taking that away, I've noticed like,
like I said, like I got into running. I've gone to the gym every single day this week.
I've been up at 5 a.m. My sleep has improved. And oddly enough, those thoughts like creative
thoughts just came out of nowhere. So, I was like, huh, something here.
Yeah. You allow like room for God to speak almost. Oh my gosh.
Like those, go read this book, The Intellectual Life, phenomenal book. Absolutely changed my life.
But he talks about it in there, like always having a journal near you for those moments,
those fleeting moments of intuition, like that inspiration from God.
Comes, you've got this great thoughts in the shower. It's right when you wake up. It's
when you're driving, keeping something near you to write those down to go back to because
for me at least, I have so many great ideas and they're gone. So, it allows you to have
more time to even think about those great ideas too. So, yeah.
Yeah. Well, and I think too, like God definitely speaks in those quiet recesses to us, right?
100%. It's in the whisper. It's not in the tornado or the earthquake.
No, it's in the still slow. And that's the opposite of most social media.
But yeah, I'm definitely excited to see where it will take me over the next month.
But thus far it's been great. It's been really formative, yeah.
Do you feel like you've missed out on world events and other people's lives?
Because I feel like that's always an objection.
Yeah. And I see where it's coming from. And I would say it makes sense if you're,
maybe you're in the military, maybe you just signed with Air Force or something.
And you're isolated from your normal cohort of people. It's nice to stay in touch,
but there's a difference even between that and doom scrolling. You know what I mean?
That's true. So I think social media can be a tool. You're
using it as a tool. I'm using it as a tool. Well, not right now, but I have in the past
and it can be powerful. It's a great way to stay in touch with people. But
I think that when you look at coffee, for example, if you were having a whole pot
of coffee a day, that's probably going to do a little bit more harm than good
because your sleep cycle is probably going to go haywire.
Why? You might be close to.
I've been there. I'm kind of there with the Celsius, honestly.
But a little bit of coffee is a great thing, you know, like because you, you know.
Yeah, helps cleanse your liver, gets a gallbladder move in, helps your detox pathways.
Yeah. You know, these are things that should be used as tools, I think.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, on that note, we'll stop wasting your time with this random banter here.
It's not every day that I get to see a good friend like Dom. So me and Dom went to undergrad
together at Franciscan University of Steubenville. I was Humanities and Catholic Culture. He was
nursing, but we lived in the same house for two years, a year and a half.
I think it was, yeah, it was a year and a half.
A year and a half. Okay. Yeah, Dom moved in. It was fantastic getting to know him more.
Franciscan also has households, which is like the Catholic version of fraternities and sororities
a little bit. Instead of partying, well, there's a little partying, but there's also a little bit
more prayer involved in growing in brotherhood. So we were involved in his image household for
all the Frannies out there listening to the podcast.
The longest running men's household at Franciscan University, I think it's still around.
Haven't checked in in a while, but that's all right. Hi, Chai.
So we went to Franciscan together. We both graduated when our separate ways,
except Dom. I guess we both lived in Ohio except for when I was in chiropractic school down
in Atlanta, which is where Dom's from. Yeah, that's where my folks are. So it's ironic.
We just like swapped kind of. Yeah, we really did. And then Dom's been working,
worked in an ER for four years. Four years, yep. Yeah. Nurse in an ER for four years,
cardiac ICU. Give us, I guess, give the people so I can stop talking here
and people can hear your perspective. Like, why did you get into nursing in the first place?
Where, why, and then why did you go to the ER? That has to be super intense.
Why didn't you pick something easy? None of it's easy.
So yeah, there's a lot there. This is a long story, but I'm going to condense it down. So
originally, ironically, it's funny being asked this question right now in front of you,
because my dream as a child was to be a chiropractor. That's hilarious.
I don't know if I ever told you that, but that is why I just, I mean, speak of social media and
videos and stuff. I discovered this guy on YouTube who had a chiropractic channel like when I was,
you know, 12 or something. OG chiropractor posts and videos.
Yeah, he was doing adjustments. And I was like, this is the coolest job ever. He was so happy,
he was healthy. He was like doing all these adjustments on people and they were getting
all this relief from pain and improving their lives. And it was like, whoa, that sounds way better
than like a cubicle desk job. I haven't done anything else, but I would agree.
But so yeah, that was my original plan. And unfortunately, when I was 16,
a radiologist who was, who is the father of one of my good friends in high school,
shied me away from it. He was like, listen, if you go the chiropractic route, you will be out of
work. You are not really going to be a real doctor and you're going to have a ton of debt
and you're going to hate your life. That was what I was told at 16, which is like, I mean,
I'm like living vicariously through you. I'm like, dang it, I should, you know.
It's not all smiles and laughter, but definitely is, I feel like I have a decent quality of
life. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, you're making a huge difference in people's lives.
And you're also doing something that you're passionate about, which is, I think it's important.
Well, I feel like all people that work with people are, I mean, there's some bad actors
out there in the world, but generally most people are good in trying to make a difference,
whatever that looks like, especially in the healthcare space or even as a nurse.
Yeah. No, I'd agree with that for sure. I'd agree with that. I'm not trying to argue
against that either. I'm just saying, it's cool to see you making a difference in a unique way.
Sure. But I really honestly, from that point forward, I was discerning what I wanted to do
and I was combining the practical elements of chiropractic that I liked. I knew that they
were on their feet. They were moving around. They're interacting with people
and it was very tangible as physical and I liked those things. So in my head, I was like,
what is a job or a career that would fit that bill? And seemingly it was healthcare. So I was
on track to do pre-med, pre-PA. Yeah. And essentially, my story is jumbled all over the place. I went
to two different colleges and there's a lot of history there, but when I sat down with
the academic advisor, he was looking at my transferable grades into Franciscan and he
was like, oh dude, you have a C plus in zoology. You will never make it into a PA program or a
pre-med program. You just won't. So again, like I'm a young guy. I'm listening to this advice
that I'm being given and allowing that to kind of dictate where I landed. That's brutal advice.
Two times. I know. Maybe that was God working in that moment to steer you in the right
direction. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. And see, this is what's important,
is you don't know that in the moment. That's why trust is so important because I didn't.
You know, that can be frustrating. It's like, well, why this, why that?
But in hindsight, you realize you see how God was moving pieces in your life.
And then it clicks, but in the moment, most of us don't have that. We don't see almost never.
And most people want to control everything about their life. And that's why we
go into this, you know, in their house, Instagram, whatever. But to skip ahead a little bit. So
I ended up continuing to like discern it through and researching my different options.
And I found out that through a nursing track, because I, because I had a C plus in zoology,
I had a competitive advantage being a male in nursing. Now, the reason why this correlates
and I looked into it is because I found out in my research in nursing that there's a lot you
can do in the field. So where's a ton? I mean, it's endless opportunity.
I don't think any nurse that I know has a similar day to day life, like across the.
Yeah. I mean, these guys are hired in law firms. They're hired remotely with different
sales companies. They're hired, obviously in the hospitals, outpatient clinics, like
technically you could hire me to draw blood, you know. That is true.
Not fishing for cash, Ryan. Come down drive, drive down to the office and we'll get you in here.
This is one big sales pitch. So I was like, wow, okay. So I have a competitive advantage.
It's everything that endorses what I want on the feet. It's working with people. It's
making a difference. It's science. I love studying the body. That was another thing.
I just loved A&P. Those are my highest grades. Yeah. So I was like, well,
maybe I should give nursing a try because I found out I could do a specific track to which
I could scale and essentially get my nurse practitioner license and be a provider in the
medicine world. I will say just to put an asterisk on this. So those were all the
practical reasons, but the bigger reason is that God, it's all God. God led me
exactly to where I am today. And that's a deeper answer that we don't necessarily have to like
nitty grit on, or nitpick on. But it's God. God led me here. This is where he wants me to be,
at least for now. And yeah, he's put me through some crazy experiences. I've been exposed to
a lot in the healthcare field. Yeah, absolutely. And I think as a chiropractor, nurses are some
of my favorite patients to work with because they understand the body and then they see you like
being on the more holistic side, helping people navigate their health challenges a little bit
more. Like I see so much of nurses seeing like all of my patients have like all of my patients
that have similar symptoms as me, like just keep coming back and none of them get better.
So I want something different for myself. Like then I've countless nurses. I'm just people
in the healthcare field in general that like feel that way. So it's just super interesting. I guess,
I mean, we don't have to get super into the nitty gritty if you don't want to. But where,
at what point did you like realize or feel that it was God? Because you just said in the moment,
you definitely wasn't, we're not thinking that like, oh, this must just be God closing a door
right now. There's probably some frustration and things like that. When did you like realize
that? I think I realized it in chunks. Like as you're talking, I'm thinking about this,
like actually asking myself the question. I'm like, when did I? And I don't think it all happened in
one moment. I think it was just a series of micro doors shifting and opening and closing that
led me to where I am. Like for example, like, I, you know, my story coming to Franciscan,
for the audience will share, I transferred to Franciscan from a small school in Georgia.
And the University of Franciscan offers this insane study abroad program called
like the Austrian study abroad program. I don't think there's a special name.
That's not a sales pitch, but yeah, they allow, I would be a good marketer for them too,
because it changed my life, but they allow a semester for essentially what they call transient
students to come and like stay with the cohort in Austria. You don't have to be, yeah. So you can
literally go for four months in Austria and bombing Austria, stay at the Carthausa.
Which is an old monastery donated to the university, transformed into dorms,
classrooms, food hall, all that good stuff. Yep. Old Cartesian monastery.
Yes. Which if you don't know anything about Carthusian monks,
plug for the Carthusians out there. They, they literally will do construction every once in a
while on the Carthausa in Gaoming. And all the Carthusians are there. So it's a completely silent
order. So no talking, cloistered. And then they are buried in unmarked graves. So every once in
a while they dig somebody up on accident, because the graves not marked when they're doing
construction. And they've actually dug up, I want to say there's been one or two,
they've dug up and they're actually incorrupt. So that means their body has not decomposed at
the rate it should. These guys are, we're talking 1800s, these guys, 18 early 1900s,
these guys are buried and their body is like not perfectly intact, but not decomposing at
the rate it's supposed to. So another plug for the Carthusians out there. But anyway.
I'm definitely learning on that. I didn't know that. So wow, that's wild. That gives me something
to chew on on the drive back. But yeah, I, you know, I had the chance to go to Austria
as a transient student, meaning I had full intention of going back to Georgia and continuing on
my track there. And I, you know, I had this weird, like, I still don't know to this day
how this was coordinated, but I was in a train station in Austria at this little,
little tiny rural train station in Shibes. Oh yeah. I guess it's technically a little town,
but it feels rural. And I get a phone call randomly. I get a phone call from the
board of nursing at Franciscan. And I didn't know who the number was. I saw it was an Ohio
number. So I picked it up and it was, it was literally it was the director of the program.
And he was like, so you want to do nursing? And I was like,
where's this call coming from? Because I hadn't interviewed with the program. I didn't even
submit an application to the nursing program. Oh, wow. I just submitted all the documents for
going to the study abroad. So I was kind of like, I'm thinking of nursing, but I hadn't
closed on it. Yeah. And the board of the nursing department calls me while I'm at
train station in Shibes. And the conversation, by the way, was super Frank, Dr. Anton, if he's
listening. Shout out. It was like a two minute call. He's like, so you want to do nursing?
I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm looking into it. And he's like, well, I need you to get,
I need you to get a B or higher in anatomy and physiology two over the summer and you're in.
And he's like, but anyway, I got to run. We'll be in touch.
That's wild. I don't know if I've ever heard that story before.
Yeah, wild. So, and I think my parents did some back-end work. And honestly, my timeline could
be a little foggy, but because I remember, you know, I had made the decision like I want to
look into nursing, and I technically changed courses at my other school, but I don't believe
it was official at Franciscan. Sure. So it could have been a coincidental thing,
but all that to say, coincidence or not, like it's very clear to me that if you follow in the
direction that you feel called and pulled, doors will start opening if that's what God wants for you.
And that's, that's what I saw with nursing. Like I never interviewed for the program. That alone
is huge. Like that alone is like, what? Like, yeah, they have a very competitive program. So
I, yeah, I just felt like, honestly, God, God led me into it. It was a long answer, but
yeah, no, that's great. Just realizing it in chunks. I think that's how most people's lives go,
kind of look back over the course of a couple of years, and you're like, oh yeah, that's why
I didn't do that thing. Yeah, I was super frustrating at the time. Absolutely. And then
what made you transition? Like you go through school, got your nursing degree. What made
you decide ER straight out of school? Yeah. So throughout nursing school, you're learning
everything there is about human body, medications, disease processes. And
I was really intrigued by all that. I loved learning it. I got really into it. And my brain
just worked really well with the material on the, on the actual practical real side of nursing,
because you do clinicals along with your school, right, with your academia. So I was being
exposed to these different types of units like labor and delivery, not for me.
Didn't excite you? What? Wasn't fast paced enough?
It was just uncomfortable. I was like, I had to teach somebody how to breastfeed once,
not knowing how to teach somebody how to breastfeed.
That's crazy that you got thrown into that. Like the only guy, think of nursing, right? It's
like 60 chicks, and there's like five dudes. And I was like, why are you picking on me to do
this? Like, it seemed, anyway. So you go through all these clinical rotations. And I mean, it was
just like, I was kind of ruling out. I was like, okay, that's not for me. That's not for me. That's
not for me. And then my senior year, I got precepted in a little tiny eight-bed emergency room.
And I had a phenomenal experience. Like we were putting IVs in people. They were coming
with chest pain. We were doing EKGs. We were drawing blood work. You know, we were
rushing them to get CT scans because they have internal bleeding. Just all these, you know,
traumas come in, all these like fast paced. And I was like, you know, I started to tick a little
bit. I was like, a lot of the other units I've seen seem to just be like people rotting in
beds. And we're just giving them little banded fixes. But I was like, the ER seems a little
different because it actually is very time dependent. And there is life-saving interventions
that we're endorsing. So I was like, okay, that interests me. I can think quick on my feet.
I loved the practical side of giving medications, drawing them up, starting IVs,
all those things. Yeah. Code blue, doing compressions, trying to save somebody,
make sure they're perfusing blood to their brain and kidneys and vital organs. I liked that
because it was like my skill set here, this guy, this person in this bed, their life depends on my
skill set here or me as a part of the team, rather. So I felt like I was making a true
difference there. Yeah, that's awesome. And I mean, I tell every one of my patients,
even if you're more naturally minded or holistic, the modern medical system is not this
big, bad, evil, scary thing, they have their time in their place. If I break my leg,
please take me to Don Valenti's ER so you can save my life. Please do not take me to the chiropractor
and give me a supplement and adjustment for my broken leg. So it has its time in its place, 100%.
So many people think like anti-modern medicine and that is not at all true. There are so
many life-saving measures. And I think that's very well, like very clear in an ER, but there's
other, like so many of my patients have bone-on-bone hips. It's like we are going to need to get that
replaced because these two bones are rubbing together and hip replacement is going to improve
your quality of life so much. Yeah. There's like modern medicine has such a huge importance. Like
there's so many people that are like, we need to get back to where ancestors used to live,
which is like, yeah, sure. When it comes to food, like please don't spray it with pesticides
and all that good stuff. But also our ancestors died pretty freaking young from things we can prevent.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that all of the standard medical world is bad, but you know,
a lot of the money it made, in my opinion, again, I'm 27, probably speaking naively,
but from what I've seen, I think a lot of the revenue that's generated is from,
like a lot of these things that people are seen for could have been avoided or eliminated
preventatively if they would have had the right information or the lifestyle changes.
You know what I mean? Like, because a lot of these things like metabolic syndrome or,
you know, bone-on-bone, like a lot of these things are chronic micro decisions you make every
day that lead to, oh, we got to take your knee out or, you know, all right, well, we got
to put you on metoprolol, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And I think the statistic is
six out of every ten Americans has some sort of chronic disease that, and almost all of those
can be prevented by diet and lifestyle changes. Oh my gosh. Yeah. 100%. So 100% agree with what
you have to say. Yeah. So those are some questionable things when we start talking
about vaccines and why those don't have to be safe necessarily. No safety trials there.
We don't need to go down that rabbit hole now. Not necessarily what this podcast is for,
but if that sentence piqued your interest or made you a little angry,
you should definitely look into it. There's some phenomenal resources out there.
The link below, right? Yeah, yeah. In the show notes. In the show notes.
Subscribe, like, follow. No, but going back to time in the ER,
we guess where as this podcast is really supposed to be like bridging the gap between
modern medicine and like Christianity and where kind of those two meet,
like, I guess if there's one story that kind of comes to mind where we've kind of asked this
question to a couple other guests of like, when you felt like there was kind of desperation
in the air in a sense, like, is there any point where you felt that and saw God intervene
in any of your patient's lives in maybe a miraculous way, like physically,
like some of the people we've had on have given like crazy stories of praying over somebody
and healings have happened, but maybe just like some smaller interventions in it.
Anything bring any stories to mind there? That's a phenomenal question.
You know, I have not seen any healing miracles in the hospital system.
I have experienced one myself, so I can speak on that, but I would say
the reframe there is, if I'm speaking honestly, I think it depends on the definition of miracle,
because actual like, whoa, how did that just happen miracle? I haven't seen that really in
the hospital system, but if you're going to define miracle in the terms of like,
huh, going back to the small, still, slow, like almost miracle as in God's presence,
is there all the time? Yeah. All the time. So like, for example,
this was last month, so I switched from the ER into the cardiac ICU, but this store is fresh,
so I'm going to tell it. Perfect. Go for it.
So we had a patient that came to the ER and he had a massive stroke. This guy's 36 years
old, and he doesn't even look like super unhealthy. Like he's probably like 190 pounds.
He's in his 30s. He's got a big beer. He's got all his hair still.
Important details. Well, yeah. Just painting the picture, right?
He had a massive stroke, and what ended up happening with a stroke is you lose kind of
your axial gait, your motor function. It's very dangerous. Like hemorrhagic stroke,
you're bleeding into your brain essentially without getting so crazy into the details.
But a lot of these people at baseline will lose their normal facet of life,
so they can't do certain things anymore. Like their speech is impeded or their ability to
like even walk. Sometimes these people are bound to chairs. You know what I mean?
So it's a life-altering event, and this is exactly what happened with this guy who's 36 is
he had a hemorrhagic stroke, and we were able to intervene and essentially stop the stroke.
That's sophisticated. We won't get into the details, but after that process,
he is admitted into the hospital in recovery because surgical operation to manage the stroke,
and at that point, his respiratory drive and his brain no longer worked,
so he has to be on a ventilator, breathing tube. And with everything, the medications that we're
be giving and what not, his blood pressure wasn't maintaining. So we had to start like
vasopressive medications that slowly titrate to keep his blood pressure up,
so he's perfusing. So he's just like, he's an ICU patient, right? He's on a neuro ICU floor,
and I'm cardiac, but we got floated there. So anyway, three days after this is all happening,
I am assigned to care for this guy, and he is- Were you there when he originally came in?
No, I wasn't. I was there with him several days after this all happened. He was stabilized
in the ICU, and the entire left side of his body doesn't work.
Wow. And he is 36. And he's awake. We took him off all of the sedation medication,
so he's still on a ventilator, but fully alert and awake. So imagine a tube in three vocal
cordeds, right? Yeah. And there's your- I actually can't imagine that.
It's horrible. It's terrible. Restrained. You got tubes everywhere. Yeah. And he's just in this bed,
and we progressed his care, progressed his care, and he couldn't speak to me because of the tube,
but he was able to write on a pad, so he was communicating that way with me. And
basically, I made it my goal. I was like, I'm going to call PT, get them in the room,
and we're going to give this guy a complete head to toe bath,
and we're going to sit him on the side of the bed. He'd been laying in bed flat for seven days.
He was starting to get a wound on his sacrum, on his tailbone. Whoa, yeah.
Like for skin breakdown. And I was like, I'm going to just- because all the nurses,
they go in there, it's ridiculous. Again, I love nurses, but a lot of the nurses that I've
seen, there can be a tendency to just check off the box of your job and then rush back to your desk
and doom scroll. But that's really where I try to bring God into it is actually like investing in
these patients, being in the room frequently with them, and seeing how Ike as the nurse can
go the extra mile for their behalf. So there's a difference between the nurse that's like,
let's get this guy up, and let's try to progress him, see if he can sit, or see if
maybe he can stand with two people helping. Versus the nurse that is like, well, I did all
my tasks, gave all my meds, he's good. He's just stuck in bed. I'll clean him up if he poops himself.
Like there's a big difference there, right? It sucks. Yeah. So all that to say, right?
I'm doing these things. We get this guy and he's so happy. Like he can't talk,
but he's crying. And he's like, keeps shaking my hands. And he's tearing up and
he's writing on his board. He's like, I needed this. Thank you. Nobody has done this for me.
He wrote like, I'm going to remember you. And I'll never forget this. And dude,
we even like, I started getting into it. I was like, do you want me to play music?
Let's get some music on for you. That's awesome. I got my friend Morgan in there.
I was like, Morgan, let's give him a spa day, which in the ICU world means,
like let's shampoo your hair, let's treat the beard, trim it up. And he felt like a million
dollars. He was like, with his good right side, with the tube, he's like sitting on the bed,
we're playing notorious B.I.G. And he's just like fist bumping in the air to it. And he's like
dancing to it. So there's rewarding things like that that I would classify as like
a micro miracle. It's like the presence of God is, you know, because when I talk to
the patients and they're grateful or whatever, I always just tell them like, you know, I pray with
them or I somehow bring God into the conversation like without fail. That's like a goal of mine.
I have two goals to the bedside. I need to make you laugh and I need to bring God into this.
If I can do that, then I've done my job. All the other tasks are like,
of course I'm going to do my job. They're going to get done.
Yeah. Yeah. But the quality of care just sky rockets. You make somebody laugh, dude.
Yeah. Completely different experience. 100%.
And then as far as being like the healing, the actual miracle. So I was overhead pressing
like two and a half, three years ago, and I was going way too heavy. I twinged something
in my left shoulder and I couldn't literally do a single push-up for over a year. Like it was,
I couldn't externally rotate. It was bad. And I thought like, okay, well, I'm going to
conservatively treat it myself with ice and exercises. And it got worse. So I was like,
I think I might have to bite the bullet and go look at it, get it scanned. They're like, yeah,
we, you know, we might have to operate on this. Like your rotator cuff looks like it's
frayed and it looks like you have some micro tears. We could manage it with PT, but we think
maybe cortisol shots for the first, you know, we'll try this for about a month.
And if that doesn't help, then we'll progress to surgical intervention. And I'm like,
there's got to be a different way. So long story short, fast forward. I end up, I'm on retreat
in my men's group in Columbus, the arena. It's called Fan in the Flame. And it was this weekend.
We were in somewhere in the middle of nowhere, Ohio, retreat weekend. And we break into prayer
groups at the end of it. Everybody's praying over each other. It's very, very intimate
experience, praise worship, you know, awesome, awesome. So much fun. And I remember being prayed
over. I didn't even ask, I didn't tell anybody about my shoulder. I never asked to be prayed over.
Probably weren't even thinking about like one, for me, at least when things have been going on
that long, I don't even think about like, oh, yeah, that is, that is, I should ask for prayer
for that because it just becomes part of your existence. Right. Exactly. And that's,
that's how it was for me. Yeah. But I noticed that coming out of that, like after the prayer,
I noticed that my shoulder was completely fine. Wow. Like it got really warm. Praise God. It got
really, the area got really warm and hot during the prayer. And I was like, it's odd. And afterwards,
I was like kind of messing with it. I noticed like the pain was gone. And I could externally
rotate it just fine. And I was doing pushups. And I was like, this is crazy. Like I think I
was just healed from that. So I had been doing PT exercises and it wasn't working. So I mean,
I'm convinced to this day that I was healed through prayer. Yeah. I mean, that is the,
like that's almost the, I mean, not my shoulder, my low back, but when I broke my back, that's
the same feeling I had. And then pre and post MRI, no damage of, no appearance of any damage
whatsoever. It's incredible. Yeah. Dude. That's fantastic. Yeah. It was a cool,
like it was a very emotionally heightened. I was a little skeptical at first. I was like,
is it going to come back? It hasn't come back to this day. It's been totally fine.
How long ago was that? Just so we can fact check you. And this was the last, I think,
fan of the flame was last January. It's over a year and a half. Yeah. Yeah. And I've been lifting
hands again. It hasn't come back. No. Nice. That's fantastic. That is amazing. Yeah. Praise God.
Yeah. Going back to like that story that you told about being in the ICU there,
like kind of bringing that, like I guess bringing the presence of God into the
room with you kind of seemed like that was the theme of that story. Like you being able to be
like a vessel of God's kind of hands and feet in the room with those patients. Yeah.
When, like did you, was that something Franciscan instilled in you of like having those two goals
of making somebody laugh and bringing God into it or praying for them if that's what they want?
Or is that something like you've done on your own and incorporated or what was the
the starting point of that? Yeah. I think, I mean Franciscan definitely like reignited my faith life
because I was raised Catholic, but I mean throughout like high school and some of college before
transfer I wasn't really practicing. Like I would go to Mass and stuff, but I didn't have like a
relationship with God. Yeah. So Franciscan gave me that and it reframed, it completely renewed
my mind on the way I see the world and especially interactions in the healthcare field. So I think,
you know, I kind of recognized that that was the most important thing to me was my faith and,
you know, primarily two relationships. And I recognized that I had a huge opportunity
being a bedside nurse to bring my faith into healthcare. And I was like, what's a way that
I can do this that like I kind of have a sales side to me too. So I was like,
how can I sales people into God? And I was like, what do people, what do people like in their
interactions? Like a lot of people like to laugh. Okay. And a lot of people like to feel like
they're intentionally being paid attention to people love to talk. I mean, clearly,
I'm talking too much. But that's perfect. That's what you're here for. Yeah. So like
when I walk in a room, I set the tone in that way. I'm like, before, you know, I am like,
I'm, you know, how do I want to articulate this? Like there's stuff to do. There's too much stuff
to do in nursing. You're running around. But what you find is that there are glimpses of time
that you do have. And you get to choose what you do with that. Are you going to sit on
your phone? Are you going to help your coworkers out? Are you going to spend the time with the
patients? Are you going to use the bathroom? You know what I mean? Like, you have to manage
your time extremely well. And I recognize that most people don't. So what happens is because
they're so flustered with a lack of time management, they're not paying attention to the
patient. They're kind of just chewing through tasks. And it is like to give those people
part of that. A big part of it is just chewing through tasks.
It is, but there is a huge difference in how you carry out those tasks. So like
if you're the type of nurse that walks in the room and, you know, you don't even introduce
yourself, you know, the room's a mess. And people have questions and you're like, well,
we'll defer that to the doctor. And you're just like drawing stuff up in a random syringe.
And then you're pushing it through somebody's IV and they're like, whoa, what are you
giving me? Like you're not communicating. Do you see that that commonly?
Yeah, I mean, you do see some of that because the time management is tough. And I don't
think it's actually the nurse's fault. I don't think people are intentionally being bad nurses.
Sure. I just think that the system is set up in such a way that it's unsafe to do it
in a way that would be more respectful to the patient. Like you don't have enough
time. Like you're always catching up. Like the ER is a place where you're always putting
out small fires, trying to not cause a big ass explosion. That's the ER.
But I made it my goal to make sure that I did whatever I could for these patients. And sometimes
that meant being like a goofy Dom, trying to get them to laugh. And then giving them a quick
snapshot of like, look, I'm running around, but here's the 30 second pitch, what we're doing
today. This is the test that came back. This is what the doctor said. He's probably
not going to be in for a little while, but this is what I've been tasked to do. We have this drug
here, which is going to treat this. We have this scan scheduled for this. We're going to do that.
Don't know when, but when it comes, I'll make sure you know. Like just very to the point direct.
And I always just look him in the eye, like sit down and do this.
Because you can, like that's something even with like adjustments on my schedule,
way, way less intense of an interaction where I'm not necessarily putting out fires in a
life saving manner. But you can do, you can spend five, 10, 15 minutes with somebody and have a
very intentional experience where you can be quick, but it doesn't have to feel rushed.
I think so many people just in general, like talking to your family at the end of the day
can be rushed. Like it's like, you might sit down and have an hour long conversation,
but even like an hour long conversation, if it's not like done with intentionality,
can kind of feel like rushed, if that makes sense. Absolutely. Yeah, I completely agree with that.
And yeah, I just, you know, I always aimed to be like, I got really good advice actually one
time. So there's a Catholic Medical Association, CMA in Columbus, and the Bishop of Columbus,
his brother is a pediatrician at OSU. His name is Ashley Fernandez, Dr. Ashley Fernandez.
And he ironically was asked to be on the board of ethics at OSU, which is a very progressive
liberal institution, which is ironic that they asked him out of the blue to be,
he's very devout Catholic, but he really invests into medical students, nurses, doctors,
whoever, right? And I've gone to a lot of the events that he hosted, and he gave a whole talk
on evangelization in the workplace, and he said it's two things. It's become the absolute best
at what you do, become excellent at your craft, become a non-dispensable asset, wherever you
are, if it's a nurse, it's a doctor, if it's an anesthesiologist, if it's a chiropractor,
become the guy that it's like, you know, this guy will perform. He's the best at what
he does. He's a resource for everybody around him. That's number one. Number two, be kind.
Be kind, but like kind, right? Intentionality, like let's sit down, let's talk. I'm actually curious
about your whole picture. I'm sure you're like that with your patients. Oh, absolutely.
You know, so that really stood out to me, you know, become excellent at what I do,
and you know, be the closest thing that I can to as a saint in where I'm working.
That's awesome. I love that. And I think like that applies not just in healthcare,
but literally to everything, being amazing at what you do, whether you're doing landscaping,
contractor work, putting up drywall, like even those menial tasks, like being the best and then
like being kind, like having a, like I've had a ton of work done on the office,
and like there were contractors that just came in and did their job and kind of went about their
life. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. There goes that guy. But then some of you like talk
about them, learn about their families a little bit. And it like, then when they come in to do
the work, you're like, oh, sick. I get to see Jeremy today. I get to see whoever today, like
is even fun for a person who they're coming into my office, my place of business,
and even sometimes doing some work around patients and stuff. Like even that goes a long way,
to be on the other side of like the receiving side to give people a little bit of a perspective on
some of that stuff too. Yeah. Well, and I probably, you probably,
like when you sit down, I know that you're asking the questions here, but I do have one.
Go for it. When you actually, let's say, let's say I come in as a patient, right?
How much time do you spend with me? Like what does it look like me coming in here?
Every new patient, I have this tickle in my throat all day. Every new patient I sit down with for
45 minutes to an hour, which kind of depends on Q and A and what all is going on if they come in
with a million like previous labs or x-rays that I got to go over and things like that,
that takes a little bit longer, be closer to an hour. But yeah, spend an hour with every
single patient, whether they're coming in for chiropractic or more of the like health restoration
stuff that I do. And then I scheduled a lot of chiropractors. If they could put people on a conveyor
belt and cook them through their office faster, they would. Just super high volume. Like they're
a chiropractor seeing 500, 600 people in a day. My gosh, which is just absolutely insane.
But I mean, those adjustments will be 30 seconds, two minutes, maybe. I scheduled every adjustment
15 minutes. So even there, I'm spending 15 minutes with somebody, which it takes me maybe,
if I'm really taking my time, maybe five minutes to do a quality adjustment,
really help somebody. And then on the other side, appointments kind of vary. Some people
are eating McDonald's five days a week. And literally earlier this week, you had somebody
that was like, I'm going to have to go buy pots and pans because I don't know. I eat that for every
meal. It's insane to me that those people exist out there, but they do. If any of you guys are
listening, please buy some pots and pans. That's like a basic. Even like, I was even better
than that as a college bachelor. I still had pots and pans. Yeah. So those people, I'm going
to spend some more time with walking them through. Sometimes I feel like I'm explaining how to cook
pasta to some people. I'll re-boil in water, cooking an egg on the stove. What do we even do?
Where are the resources for all those things? So those people get a little bit longer. I would
say average appointment time, chiropractic, 15 minutes, other side of things, 30-ish minutes.
I mean, 20 to 45 just depends on the person. But really trying to walk with them through
this. And I feel like a lot of times, they go to their medical doctor and they just get
given a medication. They're like, we're going to run this test. And then their doctor's like,
it's all good. And they are like, could you explain what they looked at here?
And usually it's just super simple, like $5 worth of blood work,
CBC with differential and CMP looking at glucose and electrolytes and all that stuff. And I'm
like, yeah, this is what all of this is. And then I'll point out little things that I see sometimes
where like, yeah, this is point one away from being something you need to pay attention to.
So maybe let's pay attention to that now. Other things, times it's like it's all,
it all actually is normal. So I try and spend as much time with people as they need.
Some people want a two-minute adjustment and to be put on a conveyor belt. Some people like
that because they like rushing around, but other people appreciate it. I try and treat everybody
like a human. Yeah. And even going back to your point of like trying to be that like light to patients
that we, that I experienced, like there was a, went to, it's through encounter ministries,
they have a kingdom medicine conference and super powerful, just how to integrate the faith
into practice with your patients. And there's something they said that was so striking.
And it was, I pray for every single one of my patients,
which is something I had incorporated. But just being more intentional about that,
like praying for all of them. So behind the scenes, they don't even know,
like if any of my patients are out there listening, you don't even know,
you've been getting some extra prayers just because you're on my schedule and you're a patient
I'm going to see that week. And then praying with some of them, like you pray for all of them
and you pray with some of them. And for whatever reason, some people don't want that,
they're not faithful, all those good things kind of play into that a little bit. But I have
seen some pretty profound breakthroughs, like hit a plateau and care, things just aren't progressing
the way they need to or they should. I've seen prayer be like this, like, and it's not always in
the moment, but it's kind of like this breakthrough. Or like, if anybody has not prayed the surrender
novena, as Catholics, we love our, this is for all the Christians listening out there,
as Catholics, we love our written prayers. We are, I guess, maybe we're a little uncreative
from that. If it's already good and it's already been done, like recreate the wheel
as my perspective a little bit, but the surrender novena is so powerful. So novena,
nine consecutive days where you pray, sometimes they're longer prayers, sometimes they're
shorter prayers and it's not from a superstition, but it's from like taking
nine consecutive days to be intentional with your prayer for a certain intention.
The amount of patience I've given the surrender novena to, because I mean,
we're getting a little off topic now, but so many people are so attached to their issues,
like my sciatica, my low back pain, my headaches, my diabetes, like whenever I hear
that, that's like immediate red flag. This person is attached, part of the identity.
Yeah, they label it as a possession, like my-
Yes, yeah. That's interesting.
Every time I catch that or I try and catch it as quickly as I can into care,
like you need to like cut that. I mean, it depends on the level of attachment a little bit and you
kind of get the vibe from the person, but cutting out that like just language you use with those
things that your body was designed for health, like your body was not designed to have the
identity of diabetes or low back pain or migraines, right? But using that surrender novena to
root patients back in surrendering those things to Christ has been so powerful.
So hopefully that, I don't know, we went on some tangents there, but hopefully that answered the
question. Yeah, no, that was great. I was just curious, because I see providers in the,
you know, the allopathic, is that like, allopathic the term for, I think, right?
Just traditional. Just traditional, right? Yeah. Yeah, on the allopathic side,
I see like the interactions between doctors and patients and it's not the greatest, but...
Yeah. And I think that goes to rushing as well. Yeah. Like you can't like, I think,
I don't, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the stat is like seven minutes with
the patient on average. I mean, ER is probably a little different if you're saving their life,
but just go to your, your well visits. I think it's seven minutes is the stat and
sometimes you wait two hours because they're behind. Yeah. So some of it is rushing,
but like I just said, I can spend seven minutes with somebody and be intentional.
Right. So there's, there's an ability for that. I love that you're praying for patients too. I'll
just quick note on that. So I also do that. I say the rosary pretty much every day. I say
the rosary. That's been my like morning routine on the way to work in the car.
It's like the rosary for non-Catholic listeners is basically almost like a, a meditative
set of prayer beads. Like you were, you're reciting Hail Mary's Our Fathers and you're
reflecting the whole time on the life of Christ. You go through the different mysteries.
From Mary's perspective. From Mary's perspective. And it's almost like
practically against its cohort. It's like a meditative practice.
But you can offer up these prayers for different things, you know, or pray on
different intentions. So on my way to work, I always pray for my coworkers and the patients
that I take care of. And I think it makes a huge difference in practice. Have you,
have you seen that as well? Oh, 100%. If you didn't ask me that question,
I was going to comment. Like if I, if I don't take a second to pray before patients come in,
like it is going to be a day where the printer breaks. I run out of paper towels,
the soap dispenser quits working in the bathroom, the toilets clogged.
Just like all of these little things just start falling apart around me.
And yeah, if I don't take time to pray, like I just see this like, and not as like a super
stitious thing, but just as like, like I'm not mentally as there with my patients either.
If I don't take that time to like root myself. And sometimes that looks like me waking up
like a little later than I should. And literally just doing some praise and worship in the car
on the way over. And just praising God for the ability to serve people. That's a huge piece of
this, or piece of my practice and like my prayer life in that. Well, on that note,
we got to go get some dinner here. Day's coming to a close. And it's not every day that Don
Valenti's in Cincinnati, Ohio. So we got to go grab some dinner with him and hang out
as a family and have some more intentional time, have some more awesome conversations
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Follow Ryan and for all the listeners out there, I just want to say,
Ryan has been a friend of mine for how many years now? Like six, 10, seven years?
Call it eight, meet in the middle. We'll just meet in the middle of eight.
Ryan has been a good friend of mine for eight years and I have seen him work very diligently,
very intentionally to come to essentially the point that he's at now. So if you're skeptical about
anything with the wellness way or with Ryan or any of that, you need to throw that in the garbage
and you need to come check out the wellness way and Ryan because I can speak on his behalf.
Dude, thanks for having me. This was a lot of fun and it's also just good to see you.
Absolutely. With that, we will see you at the kitchen table next week, guys.
Have a wonderful rest of your day.