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KTBS Podcasting and the Committee of 100 present Good to Know Shreveport-Bossier, a podcast series showcasing the good things happening in our area. We’ll go in-depth about economic development, community growth and other topics about initiatives that are having a positive impact in our community. We’ll have new episodes every other Wednesday. You can find the KTBS Good to Know podcast wherever you listen to podcasting. Or go to KTBS.com or KTBS Now on your streaming device to see the full interview.
Hey! Hello again.
Everybody.
Welcome to another edition of Good to Know
Shreveport-Bossier.
This is our podcast.
We focus on all the positive things,
the good things happening around
the Shreveport-Bossier community.
My name is Jeff Fine, for
I'll be your host over here.
To my right is Paul Reiser.
He's a member of the committee of 100 and,
businessmen.
Makes a lot of hamburgers
around the community.
Or at least he used to. Right.
Used to use you all right?
Yeah.
Well, I guess you're all fried up.
that was.
Yeah, I was
that was a really important thing on them.
That's good.
All right, so anyway, Paul is here.
He is, introducing, as always,
our special guest, the honor is yours.
Well, thank you, Jeff, for that
creative introduction.
As always,
you usually talk about my fry skills,
but you never mention my chili cheese
culinary skills.
This is true.
I had
I had no knowledge of you possessed any.
That's why
I have a virtual cornucopia of skills.
But that's all right.
Well, we'll get into those another time.
No, man. But,
we do have a guest for always.
You're going to be impressed
with, the cat.
I'm already impressed.
Well,
you mentioned I'm on the committee of 100.
We talk about that, all the time.
Group of business
leaders, sharp guys and gals.
And every once in a while,
there's about 175 members.
Wait, wait.
There's 175
members on the Committee of 100.
That's right. The one thing we're not good
at is counting to 100.
Okay, well, I'm bad at math.
We're very fortunate.
We get some great speakers,
come to our meetings,
and when they come, it's
usually loosely full.
Very busy folks. Okay.
Happy to get there.
Was a loosely full meeting, you know,
but when this, our guest came
and spoke recently. Okay.
And it was standing room only,
everybody wanted to come understand
this guy speak
because he has got his fingers
on the pulse
of the industrial growth in the area.
The entire pulse. The whole pulse.
Okay, okay.
Is there any way we're going to
get his name here in the near future?
I mean, it's it's I'm excited.
So there's a drum roll here.
But anyway, so you've heard of the port
of, Shreveport budget?
I have indeed big deal down South Street,
I've heard tell.
Well, today we have the executive director
of the port, Mr.
Eric England, the man that's coming out.
Man, that's a heck of an introduction.
Yeah, well, coming from him, you better.
And you won't hear any more.
That was a good one.
So a lot of people have heard of the port.
Not everybody knows
exactly what the port is.
What they do is this is not a fishing dock
down in South Shreveport.
This is a big could you just tell us
a little bit about it?
It's all encompassing, area.
It's. Everything happens at the port.
We only have four hours,
but I'll. I'll take a stab at it.
But but, folks,
how much is your pay versus ours?
When we say port, you think of Port of Los
Angeles or,
you know, these, these ocean going ports,
a lot of folks may not even realize
we have a port.
But while we have maritime operations,
the port is a huge, huge landowner
at 4000 acres.
We're in.
We're we're on the advent
of purchasing another 550
acres, growing our footprint to a
a size that our commissioners set out
many years ago.
But we have land holdings, we have our
maritime holdings, rail pipeline, truck.
We're a multimodal transportation
facilitator for all types of businesses.
So, I mean, it's not just boats
floating around down there. No.
Yeah.
There's all kinds of stuff
happening in the Red River,
thanks to the efforts of of many,
many people in this community,
going back to 1925
and the efforts that came in the decades
later, folks like Doug Attaway,
that that championed the Red River
to become a channel once again
like it was when Shreveport was founded.
But, you know,
it did fall dormant in the late 1800s.
And it took a revitalization.
And those folks saw to it that we would
we would have a
a navigation channel from the Mississippi
River to the port five lock and dams.
So that allows these barges
to bring upwards of
360 truckloads
in a single shipment to our port.
And so not all of our customers
utilize barge transportation every day.
There are economies of scale that are that
are massive, that some at certain points
of the year don't have to take advantage,
but they position themselves at the port
where they have the opportunity.
They have the opportunity
to receive pricing
from different forms of transportation.
And they're located in a facility
that is in the business of doing business.
We understand return on investment,
we understand profitability,
and we take that
and we ensure that the facility
that we've created is conducive
so that private businesses, members
of the committee of 100 members
of worldwide business organizations
can profit and do well and create
jobs is paramount,
is what we've always promised, folks,
is that we would create jobs, good jobs
for the community, ones
where folks can have a family
and have a great quality of life.
And now the numbers over 2000
every single day.
Folks that are in these jobs at the
at the port and the number is growing.
So there's over 2000 people
that work at the port.
So it's not just trains and boats
coming in and unloading and off line.
There's there's a lot of industry
down there, different companies.
So give us an example of some
of the businesses that are down there.
These are 24/7 24 hours
a day, seven days a week.
Businesses. It's an industrial city.
We have heavy manufacturing builder, steel
tube manufacturers, steel
pipe used for oil and gas exploration,
a paper mill that manufactures
liner board for use in the production of
of boxes, steel coating facilities.
We've seen all the the steel buildings
that are being built in the area.
Well, that steel comes in raw form
and it's it's coated,
it's like galvanized and then it's painted
and then it goes out everywhere
and we have some lighter
industrial operations
and just all together
our focus is industrial operations.
there are some, some others,
but its focus is heavy industrial.
And that's how this facility was built
is how it's maintained, it's
how it's marketed.
So I've been out to the port a few times,
you know that.
And, the,
I've been into your headquarters there.
I guess that's what you call it.
Your headquarters building here.
It's pretty cool.
I mean, it's doesn't
fit the location, right?
It looks like some modernistic
future space building
sitting down there in the middle of,
you know, industrial areas.
But, how many people actually work
in that, that headquarters building?
Let me tell you about it.
At any given time, there'll be 20 people
in that building on a daily basis.
But the the capabilities
are in excess of 300.
we were in a building at the port
and we the, the Port Commission and,
about 5000ft².
And we looked at an expansion,
but it was also about the time
the number of tenants at
the port were growing.
And we have a tenant association.
We asked our tenants,
what are some things
that you would like to see the port doing?
What are some things
that maybe you need that we could fulfill?
And through this tenant association,
through this interaction, we determined
that a large number of our tenants
had not constructed
meeting spaces, larger
conferencing facilities.
Yeah, they wish they had they had a
they focus on bottom line,
getting their manufacturing
facilities up and running.
They didn't have the budget
for the ancillary space.
So our board, it was
it was a visionary move on their part.
They they took
what was going to be an office expansion.
And it grew into this and through
several iterations with Kevin, Brian,
who was our architect
and our commissioners,
there's an element that provides
not only a forum for the Port Commission
to conduct its business,
but two main categories
of where it has really thrived
and provided opportunities
for even more jobs at the port
is it's a place
for startup companies at the port that are
that are in the early stages
before they even begin construction.
So take, for example, Bittner Steel,
a company headquartered in Salzburg,
Austria.
Our facility provided them office space
even before they had their construction
trailers.
And, you know,
massive side of construction
trailers
provided them where they could utilize it.
Having office space, conduct meetings.
Yeah.
And the second area is that
we open that space for our customers.
It's where our customers
are able to conduct their own job fairs.
You know, those types of interviews
that are off.
There are things
that they need to do offsite
and they're allowed
to do them in the port.
And and for example, we have other
we have the Caddo
Sheriff's Office hosting a first responder
training there this week.
So it's it's a magnificent facility.
You really got the whole community.
It's it was it was a large investment.
But but the customers that have utilized
it have even acknowledged to us
that they
they didn't expect to see such a facility
and expected to have that kind of,
you know, cohesiveness
and just ease of use
in, in that type of industrial environment
and had it not been for that, they likely
would not have been successful.
Well, I tell you, when you drive up on it,
it's really impressive.
Yes, it's pretty cool.
Kevin did a great job.
It's a it's much
it's much cooler than when you like,
say drive up on a sonic restaurant.
I just allegedly yeah.
I wish, I'm not even going to go there.
Yeah, but.
Oh, that's okay, I will,
but let's I'm going to take some pictures
in your office later.
Jeff, we'll talk about impressive.
So what makes our port so attractive?
I mean, there's not a lot
of these facilities around the country.
so I imagine it's very competitive.
How do we get, international company
from Austria and companies
from all over the country to come here?
What is it? Makes it so attractive?
It begins at the top.
We have a
a business minded board of directors
that is focused on our mission
of providing the things we were talking
about to the citizens of Cambodia.
It begins there. It just trickles down.
their mission has been effectively
communicated to us.
And then on a day to day basis,
we are focused not only on providing
transportation facilitation.
That's a lot of syllables there,
but transportation facilitation, way
more than you can count, in all boats
or transportation.
But the lion's share of our work that
really fulfills the mission of what is
fulfilling that promise to
the citizens is taking raw acreage,
raw farm acreage,
and converting it to industrial property
so that is the key words here.
And it's it's shovel
ready greenfield sites.
These aren't brownfield sites.
These are greenfield sites.
And what makes us attractive
to these worldwide companies is
when when they are looking at sites
and they might they might
review 100 sites for $1 billion mill.
They have they have their checklist.
It's like when you go to buy a car
or whatever,
they have
the things they want to look for.
And the more things that we can easily
just check off that, that list.
the more likely we are to land that deal.
Things such as the zoning of the site,
the drainage, the electrical power,
natural gas and water, sewer, roadways,
rail and the list goes on and on.
And that's what we do.
We know how to, based on our experience.
We started this process in the early 90s
and we
we completed a task of developing
2000 acres.
That's what is, if you will.
Those sites are where we have 2000
people employed today.
we know what the model looks like.
We wrote the book and the board said,
okay, that that was good.
Let's focus for for the next 40 years.
Let's focus on the next generation.
And several years ago,
we started buying property,
and we took our port from 2000
to 4000 acres relatively quickly.
And and what we're in the process doing
now is, for example, building a $35
million water and sewer project
to the port from from Bossier City.
So we have a redundant water supply.
We're currently fed
from the city of Shreveport,
and we'll soon be finishing a $35
million water line from Bossier
redundant Water, which is critical.
And that's an economical, economical
economic advantage to Bossier City,
because you're going to be purchasing
that water then from Bossier.
So that's because we have this plan
in Bossier that with the extra capacity
and now they can sell that extra capacity
to the poor. Nailed it.
So what's up, Max.
You said you went from 2000 to 4000 acres
like that.
Now you're buying all the time.
Is there a max there? Yes there is.
we went through
a, I just call it a generally
a scoping
of how large can we effectively be?
And our number sits somewhere in the,
in the 5 to 5500 acre range.
So we're going to soon
be at about 4500 acres.
What was key for us in buying
this property,
which we've master plan and subdivided, is
when we leased 370 acres of antler steel,
we leased one of the premier mega sites.
That's a that's a huge site
to lease to one company.
We we were without a mega site, so
we made sure that this additional acreage
we had given all the gas
wells that are generally in northwest
Louisiana, making sure that we could
facilitate a
large mega site, have radius,
a curve for roads and railroad.
And to refresh my memory now,
I think it was Bentley's deal that,
when they were going in there,
bought some something
that was being transported down
the Red River by barge and,
and they had to get it onto the
some big to a couple of trucks,
maybe they sent me out to the shoot video
of this thing moving down the road.
It was so they had to close all the roads.
You know what I'm talking about.
I can't remember what it was,
but refresh.
What was that? Yeah.
So the Port Commission has the capability
of of large lift on lift off,
or we even have the capability
of taking a barge and adding water to it
or floating it, sinking it
or floating it to the level of our dock.
And you can take cargo, large cargo
like we're talking about.
Oh, it's in they, in they,
they way more than any crane could ever,
you know, effectively pick from that angle
and you roll it from the barge
onto the truck okay.
Yeah.
It's it's we've we've done it
all the way back, going back to the 90s
for Beard Industries
when the large pressure
vessels would be manufactured
in slack industrial site.
But we've seen some of the large
manufacturing equipment for our customers
as well as refinery type equipment,
these large pressure vessels.
And we have a regular shipment of those
now with with another cut
that we've had to move this thing at about
two miles an hour down the road box
couldn't make it around,
curve in the corners and all that was
it was very lift and power lines
blocking traffic.
Yeah, it's amazing
what can be done when it needs to be done.
Well, they got it, they got it.
They've got it, got it it at the port.
Well and this year there's so much stuff
coming, so much stuff already there.
But you talking about getting it ready
for people to show up.
So even on a much smaller scale,
you talk about,
you joke about my sonics
all the time, but on a much smaller scale.
But what?
I can
only do that out of love and respect.
I appreciate that, and I believe it.
but when I was going to build a Sonic,
if I was looking at two locations
and one was already the built up,
it had access to power, gas, water, sewer,
it was all on the right side of the road
and it went right up.
I knew the cost to develop that was going
to be so low compared to you.
Happened to bore drill build.
so just having that
I would imagine attracts a lot of people.
It does huge.
But what
what is the advantage to our community
in bringing all these big companies in?
The advantage to the community
is that their investment in the port,
we are we are supported through
local property tax, which the citizens
passed in 1993 and renewed again in 2016.
It they we all pay a small amount
in property taxes to the Port Commission,
and we take those dollars
and we invest them in infrastructure
that will return not only in
return on investment terms of dollars,
because in everything that we do
in that regard, we have to look at it
from a business standpoint, right?
We're responsible
to the citizens of Canton
Bossier to wisely spend their money.
But we also have a metric for jobs.
How many jobs will be created
for this dollar of investment?
And that's that is the focus.
Is there a number that you've calculated
for that.
It it varies.
It we've never had one
that's exactly the same where we just
it's it's not linear okay.
It's not a completely linear.
It all has to be taken into account
because there's so many variables.
But obviously if if a company comes in
it's not going to be a huge job producer.
But it's a big cargo mover.
Then you see where
that's one of the metrics.
There's a balance.
There's a positive out.
There's balance there.
Yeah I just
I had seen a number that it was for every
dollar created on the port, it creates
for $4 of jobs on the off the port side.
Is that reasonable?
Yes. Doctor.
Loren Scott conducted that research.
And it is at least
that it was a great guest on our show.
I want to be sure and look at that.
So look, the, so when you hear the word
port, right, a man, you,
ships ocean liners.
That's what the mind goes to.
I mean, that's that's not your fault.
That's never going to happen
at this port. Right there is you know.
So, yeah. Where do these come from
or where do they go? Yeah.
So we are a barge port
and one barge holds about 60 truckloads.
And the lock and dams are configured
such that they will hold
six barges and a tugboat.
ship activity ceases at Baton Rouge.
there's a clearance due to a bridge that
even if you dug the channel deep enough,
the the clearance between the bridge
and the ship would not facilitate.
It's just not feasible.
So cargo is translated
from a ship to a barge,
and then a tugboat pushes
the barges to our port, and they
they arrive by way of Baton
Rouge or New Orleans.
There's six locks.
There's five on the red
and another lock they they traverse
between the Mississippi and the red.
And it's it's a short trip
and it obviously works.
And and you can
and our customers literally
save millions of dollars
while at the same time
taking trucks off the road, less
congestion, better for the environment
and those types of
things. But I will say this,
what we have witnessed in the in the world
of logistics with our customers, it's
it has become efficient.
It is it is a small world when it comes
to transportation, literally in that if
if a transportation manager in East Texas
can find a better price by by
just working a little bit harder,
which they do,
they may temporarily find a good deal
and they'll they'll take it.
But they have that.
They have that opportunity
and they have the benefit of communication
to make it efficient.
is there an interaction
between like, say,
your port
and I worked in Memphis for a while,
and there's a gigantic intermodal,
whatever they want to call intermodal.
And I went out and did a story
and went up in the big cranes and stuff
they use
other than they get everything come in.
They're not like you're talking about.
Do you guys have any interconnection
or is there are.
No, no, the answer is not a simple no.
But it's not also all the time. Yes. Okay.
It's somewhere in the middle.
for example, right now
we have a international corporation
that is looking at a project
that will involve two ports,
one in South Texas and our port.
They need to utilize a program
that our port has
and for conveyance of their product
between our two ports.
So that puts us in touch with that port.
but mainly, what we find is when a,
a new shipment of cargo is arriving
from some an international location,
and we're working with our,
our ports in south Louisiana, south Texas,
we're, we're in communication with them.
about the conveyance methods, methods
and the the terminal line
and those types of things.
I mean,
this is just a lot more complicated
than a, like, right, here's a truck.
Let's throw this stuff
on to a barge or whatever.
There's a lot to it. Move it on.
There's a lot more to it.
there's a lot to it.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, how much of our space,
how much our space?
Because we pay our millage.
But how much is has left?
How much is taken up?
I just want to ask, like, three questions
real quick. So how much is left?
I know you've been around for a long time,
but the future is also bright.
What are some big things
that are coming up in the near future
that people will say,
wow, what the heck? Yeah,
the future is where we spend an incredible
amount of focus right now for us.
So we've we have occupied,
for the most part, a, just under
2000 acres,
which was the reasoning behind expansion.
so the the majority of our 2000 acres
that we recently acquired surrounds
the future Interstate 69 service road.
I'm not going to talk about Interstate
69 right now.
I want to talk about the Interstate
69 service road is, which is very exciting
project ten mile stretch between the port
as it sits, they think about where
Robson Road
is, LSU Patton Research Station
and Interstate 49 at LA 3276.
There's a car dealership.
So just imagine those two points,
a direct path from the port to
49 to take roadway congestion off Florida.
Lucas Road, Burton Dunes,
and give those trucks that are
measured in the
thousands every day in and out of the port
a direct route to an interstate.
And that project is in design right now.
We were moving at lightning speed
right now and completing that project
to get to a finished design
so we can begin right of way acquisition.
Okay, that that in itself is number one.
Number two, taking the 2000 acres
and fulfilling the master plan
so that the folks that follow our board
and the folks
that follow this staff
that's in place will have a
an opportunity to complete the task
that we did over the last 30 years.
It's just a repetition of the model
that we wrote the book on it.
It literally is.
And that that's what keeps us driven
today is focusing on the future
for the kids and the grandkids
and so on for this community
and building a $35 million
water line and $80 million road, 49,
a $35 million rail spur
that will that will accommodate unit
trains
putting in large, redundant electric city.
The things that will just attract
these these.
And based on your track record,
this is not pie in the sky
because you've already accomplished
so much and now you're setting the stage.
It's just rinse and repeat.
Could you guys
could you talk to the guys in Baton Rouge
and tell them to figure out the I-40
North?
Yeah, we'll do it.
So I saw an article the other day
about heirloom, a new a new company.
Can you talk about that? Sure, sure.
It's it's an interesting project,
world changing.
World changing.
And I learned that there's a difference
between carbon capture
and direct air capture.
This is direct air capture,
where they're going to take a product
that they'll transport in to the port lot,
ordinary limestone.
And in a very simplified way
that I can understand it, which
is they pulverize it
and they're able to extract carbon dioxide
from the, the, the limestone,
and then they'll take that
pulverized product
and lay it out on these panels, stack it
high in the
air in a, in a, in a position
that captures the most prevailing
wind pattern and pull carbon dioxide
out of the air through that method.
And it's it is it's it is a new technique
because you always wonder how they do.
You can't just take a vacuum cleaner
up in the air.
There's there's chemistry involved.
It. Well, I also wonder about this.
Plants need carbon dioxide,
right, to create oxygen.
So, are we fighting against ourselves?
Yeah.
So we'll let the scientists work that out.
And there's been a lot of.
There's been a lot of talk
and this is what I.
And this is what.
And there's been politics
that have been brought up with it.
And and for us, we don't see red,
we don't see blue, we see green.
It's really simple, right.
And this project is going to happen.
This project is going to happen.
If you look at who the partners are,
in the
in the project, it will happen somewhere
in the United States.
Their track record is strong,
so it might as well be here. Right?
we might as well take the capital
expenditure and the ongoing expenditures,
you know, for the next several decades.
And. Yeah,
but the concept is it's supposed to clean
carbon dioxide out of the air,
which is good for the environment.
Yeah, unless you want plants.
Well, I'm going to defer to the scientists
on that, I don't know.
All I know is, is going to be a big thing.
It's pretty big.
It's big billion plus dollars
and all these
you know, it's it's not much of a port
take out of it.
How much will we tell
you said it's $1 billion project overall.
Yeah.
our, our land lease rentals will more
than, double
what we're currently making now. So.
So the way it works,
I understand you leased
you leased the land to these companies,
and they build their own building,
and you just bring everything to the site
so that they're incentivized
to build here. Yeah.
That's cool.
So they pay at least two
you guys every month.
They do.
They do.
So it's and return on our dollars.
It is it's return.
But and here's the thing.
There's more than one
there's there's two of them
that are in agreements right now
with the port.
And there's a third project
which has the pipeline.
Once you capture all this carbon dioxide,
it's sequestered as pipeline,
and it'll be, sent
to a part in central Louisiana
where it's, you know, 5000ft down.
They're sitting this carbon dioxide,
they're going to bury it.
It's, gathered dust.
Thanks for this man's to make.
So then in a few million years,
it'll be oil again,
and we can dig it back up to get back up.
Yeah, it's
at least some a site for a refinery.
There you go.
Yeah. Spot for, Sonic there.
So we're in the.
Yeah, yeah,
I know we get a lot of requests for
daycare. Fast food. Yeah.
Thousand to little.
Yeah, yeah.
Food trucks do well out there.
Good. They do.
Well, let's go to the one specific spot
where they got to go and park.
We tried that. We did. It didn't work out.
They just
they just go to the places we try.
We did the food truck area.
And I mean, it's like your own little
self-contained city out there, right?
Where is it?
Can people just drive by like,
like Jeff and just drive up
and take a look in the windows?
They can. Yeah, they're port roads.
They're fences around our companies.
So yeah, the general
the public can drive around.
It's it's an open road.
It's public roads, slow speed limits.
There's a lot of truck activity in there,
a lot of railroad crossing.
So be careful if you do that.
It's exciting couple of times really
trying to get to your building
actually it's a really big place.
Yeah, it's a big place.
So I mean, you guys obviously
have your eye on the future.
I mean, this is amazing.
All the projects that you're
talking about, how far out do you
look at this point?
We're about 15 years out. 15.
Wow. Yeah.
Our engineers,
we stay about 15 years out,
but not keeping our eyes off of
what is in front of us today.
I mean, every day, you know,
we hit the ground running, but we
the board demands
that we focus on the future, and we do.
It's it's part of the mission
as part of the focus
because we know
it's it'll lead to success.
So it will be done.
That already has it has so will again.
So how many tenants do you have now.
And what's the near future
with 20 operating.
Right. Really.
Yeah.
It's it's a big number and it's growing.
we've recently signed
we got deals with a couple.
But let me tell you something.
at the end of the day, it's
great to recruit new industry.
It's there's a lot of pizzazz.
There's a lot of press
that comes with new industry,
but we never take our eye off
the existing customers.
The lion's share of of of job growth
can come from your existing companies.
And the folks like Justin Dixon
and Rocky Rocket and I, the folks
that are John George at BRF, those guys,
we all know this
and that's
why we focus on our existing industries
before we go out the front door
and market ourselves out there
across the world, make sure you go out
the back door and talk to your customers.
What what is it that you need?
What is it that would help you grow
and the results are there?
Take a look at turnkey.
I'm announcing one of our companies
announcing a $90 million
expansion in Bentley,
announcing a $20 million expansion.
It's just one after another. Yeah.
All right.
You got about a minute left here.
What do you. What's the closing?
Thought you'd like to leave with the folks
listening to this?
Yeah, we're we're very thankful
for the continued support.
We feel that the board and has been
an excellent steward of the Citizens
Trust,
their investment, their dollars
and and return that to them in ways
that could be measured.
And it can
that they can see on a day to day basis.
Just take a drive out there.
We're thankful to the Committee of 100
for their their focus on these types
of of these 170 projects,
stay and focus on that 49 inner city.
That's a huge one
that we need to stay focused on.
Keep your focus on that one.
But all in
all, the port with a mind on the future.
Yeah,
but paying attention to the the aspects
that we have right in front of us today.
And thank you.
It's a it's a big job.
I mean it's it's a huge job
I think you guys
and thanks for all you do out there.
Thank you. Big time stuff.
Every time I hear you speak, man, I'm
so glad that you're down there.
Energetic and you're just always out there
just doing a great job.
Thank you ma'am. Thank you.
All righty. Thanks for being here.
All right.
Rock and roll, Eric Anglin
from the port of, Shreveport-Bossier.
And, appreciate him being with us today.
Paul Reiser Jeff fine for
this is good to know, Shreveport-Bossier.
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wherever you, catch your podcasts.
Thanks for being here.
And as always, this has been good to know.
Hey.