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Tomorrow can be different from today.
Our lives often leave us feeling hopeless—like nothing will ever change. But perspective is everything. When you know where to look, hope can be found in the spaces and places you least expect.
Join Jason Gore (Lead Pastor of Hope Community Church) for a fresh perspective, practical steps, and weekly encouragement that hope really is possible… even in real life.
We've created a world that, um,
our bodies weren't designed to live in.
And it, it's just trying
to get everybody's attention at the same time.
And we're, we've been taught
that if you're feel uncomfortable, that's the problem.
Solve for the discomfort.
So, numb it, uh, medicate it, bandaid over it, shut it up,
pray it away, whatever nonsense that is, like,
just get rid of the noise.
And we can do that now.
We have a lot of technology, a lot of medicine.
We can get rid of the noise and our houses are burning down
around us, our country's burning down around us.
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Well, welcome hope in real life family.
We have a treat here with us today.
Uh, this week we are talking about how
to build a non-anxious life.
And we have a very special guest here with us.
Uh, this gentleman,
and he'll probably laugh at the fact that he said,
gentlemen, he has two PhDs.
He is, uh, the host of the Dr.
John Delony show, co-host of the Ramsey Show, um,
has written a book recently called Building a Non-Anxious
Life Number one national bestselling book.
I'm telling you, the book has been valuable
for me in my life personally.
Uh, welcome to the show, Dr. John Delony.
Dude, what's up Jason? Thanks for, thanks
for opening your your house up, man. Yeah,
Absolutely. Uh, well
listen, we'll jump right in.
We had a little bit of time to talk
before we even got started.
Um, we, who knows where this podcast is gonna go given our,
uh, similar interests,
but we'll start out at least on topic.
Uh, and so we're talking about how
to build an non-anxious life.
We know that anxiety right now is just running rapid
in, uh, in our world.
Let's just start with a real simple question, uh,
to a subject matter expert.
What, what is anxiety?
Man? Anxiety is simply
a smoke detector in your kitchen telling you
that something's probably on fire.
And I wish it was more complicated than that.
We can, we can, I can throw all kinds
of different analogies.
It's the, it's the beeping in your car when
your seatbelt's undone.
It's the gas gauge. It's just an alarm system
that God designed inside of our bodies to let us know that,
hey, we're, your body has detected
something in the environment that's not safe. Yeah.
I love in your book how you actually, you're really clear
to highlight and you say it over and over again.
Hey, anxiety isn't the problem.
Not the problem. Yeah. It's just here to let us know,
uh, that something else is going on.
Maybe could you just talk for a moment,
maybe just about your personal experience
in life with anxiety?
Oh, yeah, dude, it buried me, man.
And I'm a big, I'm a 200 pounds, six foot two Texan man.
And my dad was a homicide detective
and a swat hostage negotiator.
We don't get those things.
And, um, as I, as I looked at the roots of it all,
my dad was, like I said, he was a homicide detective.
And then he quit halfway through my childhood to become a,
a, it was before this was an actual job,
but he was one of the pioneers of youth ministry,
and he became a youth pastor at a, at the time, at a church.
About a thousand members at the time was huge.
Now that's, you know, that's a good entry point
to a, to a church, right?
But, um, and I remember there was just seasons.
We didn't have enough money for groceries, man.
And we had one car that, that my parents shared.
We didn't have a lot. And I remember at a young age,
I remember thinking, if this is what the public thinks
of public servants, I'm out.
Yeah, I'm gonna go get security.
I'm gonna stop this tension that's always in my home, uh,
financial tension, relationship tension.
I'm gonna go make some money and get a bunch of titles.
And I went and did it, man.
I went and got it and knocked it out.
And I was working at a university.
And at the university, I had three different jobs there.
And everything about my identity was,
I was the guy that would say yes to everything.
Sunday School I'm in, Hey,
I need somebody to lead the college ministry.
I'm in, Hey, can somebody take over this other department?
Um, that leader just transitioned out.
I'm in, I'll take that too. I was associate dean.
I was a professor. I was part of a think tank
that was, and I was leading this.
And then my body just said, Hey, I quit. I'm out.
And I was also 24 7.
I was in hospitals dealing with kids' trauma
and calling parents and
telling 'em their kids have passed away.
I just, I, that was just the job.
Um, and my body just said, I'm out.
I've been trying to get your attention
for years and you're not listening.
And so I quit and I didn't have a psychology for that.
Yeah. Uh, uh, our stories are, are,
are kind of similar in that.
So I, my introduction to anxiety,
and I, you know, I, our listeners didn't know some, I mean,
I wrestled my whole life, wrestled
through college, came outta school.
And, and even in my family, like I was the guy, like if, if,
if something, if someone needed something,
if there were pressures that needed to be dealt with,
if there was conflict that needed
to be dealt with, that was me.
Ended up in ministry.
And about four years ago, I was serving
as the executive pastor here at, at Hope
and our founding pastor who had started the church about,
you know, 25 years prior, at the time 26.
And he, I mean, he just wasn't in a healthy place.
He was pretty open about that was going on sabbatical.
The plan was to go on sabbatical at Christmas,
come back at Easter.
And uh, I remember, so we kind of take the week off
after Christmas leading into New Year.
And then I remember my first day back in the office, uh,
that day, and I'll bet by lunchtime,
six different people would come by my office
and said, Hey, what are you gonna do
if he doesn't come back?
And I was like, what? I mean, if he doesn't come back,
of course he's gonna come back.
I mean, look, and you know what? Even if he doesn't,
you know, I mean, we know,
we learn all the right things to say.
I was like, even if he doesn't come back, I mean,
God loves this church more than we do.
He's got a plan, he's gonna, and
so the same thing happened throughout the day.
I got home that afternoon, that evening,
and at the time, uh, I believe my oldest son was 12,
and he came to me, he said, Hey, dad,
what do you think about going for a jog together?
I said, yeah, that sounds great. Uh, let's do it.
So I went in the bedroom, changed my shirt,
and I was about to walk outta the bedroom door.
And I was like, is my chest tight? This is weird.
And so I called my wife back to the back
and I said, I feel like my chest is tight.
Well, she says, well, you're not having trouble
breathing or anything like that already.
I was like, no, I'm not.
I think I'm having trouble breathing.
I don't know what's going on. This feels weird.
And so I laid down.
And then from that, from that moment on, uh,
for the next six months,
I was convinced that I had a heart problem.
I mean, I'd had a friend just a few years earlier
that had some open heart surgery stuff.
And, and so, I mean, I got every single test you could take
that culminated a few months later having a cat scan
with ink in my body
and with my cardiologist telling me, listen, um,
we've done everything we can do,
and I want you to know that your heart is just as healthy
as I assumed it was the first time I saw you.
You really need to take a good look at the stressors in your
life, to which I thought, who are you?
And how do you know what my life is like? But
Hey, this, what happened? You,
you committed the cardinal.
Like, uh, you wanna, you wanna wake God up?
You say to somebody, uh, yeah, no, no, no, don't worry.
God's got a plan. And he's like, uh, yeah, you ain't gonna,
God's got a plano.
That's what you did, man. And he is like, all right, yeah.
Here we go, brother. So,
So listen, so I mean, anxiety,
we hear people talking about it all the time.
We have people experiencing it at a time.
It seems like it's just being talked about more and more
and more, which is a good thing.
W why do you think it's seemingly impacting
so many more people right now?
I actually, you know what? I'm,
uh, I'll answer that question.
I'm, I'm starting to wonder if it is a good thing.
I'm starting to think that our obsession with labels
and pathologies, it's becoming an identity.
Mm-Hmm. And it's becoming an entry point into
every conversation we have.
And it's becoming an excuse to not do hard things.
We can talk about that later. Oh, that's good.
Um, I, I think at the end of the day, um,
we created a world that our bodies weren't designed
to live in, that just don't honor creation,
don't honor limitation, don't honor a healthy way to exist.
And, um, I, I don't believe, I'm not one of these, uh,
like guys with 12 YouTube followers
who does a show out of a trunk of a car.
I don't think we, this is all nefarious.
I don't think we're that smart. I think we all, um,
technology moved real, real, real fast.
And I think we all really loved
the advancements in problem solving, right?
Like food and water.
You can just touch a button on your phone
and food will show up right where you're sitting.
That's never happened in human history. Right?
That's amazing. And, um, our body's designed
to do really hard, stressful things for a while.
Carry hard things over long periods
of time, chase things down.
Um, we're not designed, our bodies aren't designed
to eat apples every day.
It's designed to eat apples once for a few weeks every year.
And it's amazing that we can have an apple every day,
and our body's like, whoa,
that's a lot of sugar and fiber guys.
Yeah. So all that to say is, I think in the,
in pursuing comfort, I love air conditioning.
I love leather seats in a car.
We've created a world that, um,
our bodies weren't designed to live in.
And it, it's just trying
to get everybody's attention at the same time.
And we're, we've been taught
that if you're feel uncomfortable, that's the problem.
Solve for the discomfort.
So numb it, uh, medicate it, bandaid over it, shut it up,
pray it away, whatever nonsense that is, like,
just get rid of the noise.
And we can do that now.
We have a lot of technology, a lot of medicine.
We can get rid of the noise and our houses are burning down
around us, our country's burning down around us.
So say there is, uh, a listener, uh, out there that
maybe their story is, is similar to what you said, you know,
I just, my body's shutting down.
Or maybe it's like me, like, what's going on?
What's this tension? What is
this, this panic that I'm feeling?
What's this anxiety that I'm feeling?
What, what would you recommend as a next step?
I mean, even in light of what you just said, I mean, what,
what would be steps someone should take to try to figure out
how to cope, how to deal, how to engage?
Often, um, people, uh,
are a little bit disoriented when I sit down with them.
One-on-one in person, because I usually will smile real big
and I'll tell 'em, Hey, your body's working perfectly.
And that's a, that's a disorient. Like what?
It's like, no, no, no. Your body's working perfectly.
We'll just use you, for example, imagine for a minute,
the God of the cosmos goes, uh, Jason,
I picked you to lead all these families
and people, you do HR stuff
and you're gonna get all the emails when the toilet on
floor three doesn't work.
Also, you gotta keep your marriage together
and your kids stay in shape.
And you should start a podcast too.
Of course, your body's gonna go, uh, uh,
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Right. It's just, it's working perfectly. Right?
Um, and so I think I want most people to exhale
and not sprint in the kitchen to shut the alarm off,
but instead exhale for a second and just look around
and go, huh, what's my body trying to protect me from?
What's my body figuring out
in the environment that's not safe?
Is it a my spouse? Is it my job?
Is it my kid walks in the front door and slams the door
and goes in their room and I can brush it off
and go, oh, those kids.
But dude, my guts know that my relationship with my kid is,
is pretty fractured right now.
Like, it's, it's a matter of asking your body.
It's still Ted lasso. Man, be curious.
Just be curious and don't, don't get angry.
Just be curious. Yeah.
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So you wrote this book, uh, building a Non-Anxious Life.
And and you say in there may
that the reason why I'm writing this book is
'cause I do believe there's hope on the other side of,
of whatever it is, or even in the midst of it.
Um, can you just tell us just a little bit more about what,
what your hope was for in writing this book, and what if,
and again, uh, which I appreciate what you said
before we got on, like, Hey, I'm not selling anything.
Uh, but yeah, I mean, I think it's a valuable resource.
What, what was the heart behind?
What was your intention behind
writing the book to begin with?
Well, I, I've spent 20 years, um, working as a dean
of students and a professor,
and most of those years I spent working with kids with
learning exceptionalities, kids that needed extra time,
that had OCD, had a DH adhd, had al autism,
had all sorts of different challenges.
And, um, and then I would work with students
who had all sorts of struggles.
And then the families started circling.
And here's what became very clear over, over the last 10
or 15 years, very different than my first five years,
is this increasing, it's a cloud
that's hanging over us culturally,
and it's a cloud of disempowerment.
A cloud of this happened to you.
This is all you will ever be, or you did this thing.
This is all you're ever gonna be.
And go in the corner, sit down,
and somebody will come rescue you
because you are now less than you always will be.
Oh, your brain spins up when you get nervous. Yeah.
It's called a this. You have it go over there.
Um, you're, you're gonna be less than. Yeah.
And I watched these young people do
amazing things, and I watched people who lost everything.
I've hugged mothers in the night when their child has passed
away in the next room over.
Yeah. I just got done having, um, a meeting right
before lunch with a dad that I walked with him
and his wife when his
4-year-old daughter got pediatric cancer.
He walked together for a year until we had
a memorial service a few weeks ago.
Um, and he walked in and he's still standing.
I see this every single day,
and I just, there's not another voice to counter this idea
that all of y'all are terrible.
All of y'all are broken, everybody's worthless.
And if you have something, if you've accomplished something,
if God has blessed you with something, well, it's
'cause you ripped somebody else off.
I'm just sick of that voice.
And, um, I've seen when the worst happens,
people show up.
Yeah. And I, I used to just be staggered by the number
of resources people had in the middle of the night,
even when they said they had nobody.
All it to say is people keep showing up.
People keep showing up. And I believe it's light out there.
Yeah. And I think it's the,
the swimming upstream these days is,
I'm not gonna believe it's all coming down.
I don't, I don't buy it. The kingdom
of God is never in trouble.
Yeah. My system might be my, my, my dream
for my church might be my, whatever my,
my political party might be.
Kingdom if God's never in trouble. Yeah.
The light is always on. And so, man,
if I can bring people from a place
of you're less than you're dysfunctional too.
No, no, no, dude, your body's working perfectly.
You probably can't afford that car and that house,
and that job's pretty abusive.
Let's talk about that. You need to fix your marriage.
Let's talk about that dude.
Let's, let's, let's re interject some life into people
and give them some hope
and give them some energy so they can go get, go,
go, go change their life.
Yeah, man, that's so good.
You know, um, you know, our, our church, it, it's,
people often talk about like weekend services
and things like that, and hey, like, this sermon was great,
or that song was great,
or that moment in that service was great.
I'm telling you, you, I would trade all of those things.
There is nothing like a group of people and
and a lot of our listeners, you know, aren't believers.
Maybe they're question and spirituality,
but I would tell you, I would trade all of that for sure.
What I would say is the body of Christ,
the church actually showing up in people's lives
when there's a time of need.
I mean, that, that's when you know, okay, no, no.
There, there actually is hope in this world.
Uh, there's, there's people that are following after Jesus.
They're following after something bigger themselves,
and they actually want to bring hope.
Man, that's more powerful than any weekend service
that anybody's ever gonna see or experience. Well,
The, I may, I don't know if I put this in the book or not.
Um, it was my
wife's third miscarriage right in a row.
And this one was an ectopic pregnancy, and it ruptured.
And she was a west Texas hardcore farm girl.
She's pretty tough. I wouldn't fight her.
You probably shouldn't either. And,
but she had decided like, uh,
like this isn't happening.
And I, I reject the fact
that my body's doing this a third time.
And so she sat in the living room
and essentially she almost bled out in the house.
And I picked up my son from school,
and I, she drove herself to the er.
I had no idea what was going on. I was at work,
and I get this scream.
She's screaming into the phone, she's in so much pain,
and she's driving down the highway,
and I knew something was up.
I didn't realize how bad it was.
I walked into the hospital, I saw the head of the, um,
the university medical center ob GY,
and she was a colleague of mine.
And, um, I saw her, we call 'em in the,
in the emergency response.
In the crisis world, we call 'em crazy eyes when another
responder across the room can look at you in a way.
And, you know, instantly, oh, this scene is live. Yeah.
This is not a, um, this is not a, a, a finished scene.
And I remember holding my son's hand,
and he was about three at the time, maybe four.
And I remember exhaling,
and I thought to myself,
this is the last time I ever seen my wife alive
as they ran the head, ran her down the hallway.
Long story short, um, somebody came and picked up my son.
And when I called somebody to pick him up,
I guess somebody called, somebody who called somebody
a six foot four rancher from West Texas,
cowboy hat, boots, the whole thing.
He's also a children's author.
I was sitting in the, in the emergency room by myself,
just sitting in the corner all alone.
And, um, about an hour in, he walks in
and he sits down next to me.
And I just nodded to him. He nodded.
Neither of us said any words, none.
We sat there for about another hour.
The, um, doctor burst in the doors
and she said, your wife's gonna be okay.
We lost a baby, but your wife's gonna be okay.
And I looked over and I was sitting cross-legged,
and my big old tough west Texas rancher buddy reaches over
and grabs the toe of my shoe.
And he started crying tears I didn't have yet.
And I'm telling you, Jason, that's the closest
to Jesus I've ever been.
Wow. He said, no words, zero words, he just showed up.
I don't even know how he got there. I
don't know who called him.
He just showed up. And I'm with you, man.
I think the, um, I think we blow past,
there's no rich mullens quote, um, that Christians
so often over spiritualized Jesus.
And we just blow by the Hey dude, cup of water. Yeah.
Least of these widows, orphans. Go there. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
And man, if we had a team of people who showed up
with hurting 15 year olds and sick 40 year olds,
and brought cups of water, um,
I, I have a mentor of mine.
He's a, um, he's a experimental psychologist,
but he's a professor at, at a pretty renowned, uh,
faith-based faith-based university.
And he said the entire face of the Christian, um, uh,
church could be changed between the hours of 12:00 PM
and 1:00 PM on Sunday afternoons if Christians would go
to restaurants and would be the most obnoxious
tippers that ever existed.
Yeah. Yeah. And instead, in the restaurant industry,
nobody wants nobody Sunday afternoon shifts.
Yep. And so if they would just make it so insane
that those Christian people are so crazy
with their generosity, the whole thing
would change one hour.
But that's not considered Right.
That's not considered scientific enough,
or like religious enough or pious enough.
Yeah. And I'm telling you, man, the, the, the fruit is
so low hanging right now to give people hope
and, and to shine a light. It's pretty remarkable.
Yeah. I mean, so I'm gonna come back to something
that you said, but, but just, I, I think there's
so much low hanging fruit all over the place.
I mean, depending on whether you're listening to, you know,
to yourself, I mean, the, to actually do something
good or with high integrity,
or with a significant work ethic
or with consistency over time,
the bar is just so low right now. Um,
I told my son that recently, he's 14
and we were doing so, oh, he doesn't understand.
Like, he grew up when my wife and I had nothing.
We had no, no. Anything, anything, anything.
And it was a terrifying time.
And so, um, we've,
we've been really blessed the last few years,
but he still has that in his nervous system.
And so he was cleaning the, the like, literally shoveling
chacha out of the horse stalls at our neighbor's place out,
out in the woods in Nashville.
And he came home all just smelling terrible.
But he had a smile on his face that you can only get
after working really hard out in,
in the summer, out in the heat.
And I looked at him and I said, I need you to hear me.
The bar has never been lower in human history.
For a guy like you who's That's right.
To be a person of integrity, work really hard,
shake hands, follow God.
Like I, I told him I smile. I go, you're gonna own it all.
Yeah. And he's like, I don't want to dad. I don't want to.
But it's like, yeah, the bar is
so low to love people right now.
Yeah. It's really wild.
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Hope you'll check it out. I'm gonna go back to
what you were saying about, um, he didn't say a thing.
Uh, it's ironic you mentioned,
so I was ear earlier this morning.
Um, I was reading through Exodus
and I was, I was hit
by something that had never hit me before,
As we all do on a good Wednesday morning.
Oh, no.
So my Jason, me too. No,
No, no, no, no. My
kids and I listen, my kids and I
and my wife, we've committed to this, read
through the Bible in a year plan.
We've never done this before.
And, and please don't hear,
'cause I'm, I'm just, as a heads up,
I'm the one in the family who's like catching up regularly.
So I'm the one who's behind.
Um, but I was going back and looking at some notes,
but I was struck in Exodus 17.
There's this passage where the Israelites, they,
they're kind of drawn out into battle.
And you've got Moses, who's like,
he's the leader of the whole people, right?
So he's like, of course he's important.
And then you've got Joshua, who's like leading the
army on the front lines.
But in the story, for whatever reason, uh,
when Moses' hands are up in the air,
the Israelite army is winning.
But as he gets tired and his arms fall, they start losing.
And you see Aaron, Moses' brother come over when,
when Moses is tired.
And he says he gets him a rock for him to sit on,
and he stands beside him
and holds his arms up for him because he's tired.
And like, there's not a lot
of superhero stories written about Aaron, about the people
that just come along and help and don't say a word.
They just do what needs to be done,
whether it's helping the leader
or whether it's helping the person on the front lines.
And man, what a, and I was just, I just was left thinking,
man, what a story that would be if we just were a people
that were known for, Hey, what, what am I gonna,
what can I do to lift somebody's arms up?
Well, we have a culture that's so obsessed
with being the guy with their arms up.
Yeah. And, um, I think most
of us are caught off guard by you get put in that position.
Okay, raise your arms, go ahead.
And we don't realize how exhausting and tiring
and disorienting that is.
Yeah. And we didn't bother to do the work on the front end.
We just have a group of people go with us. Yeah.
And if Jesus needed a gang, I needed a gang.
And if Moses needed a gang, I need a gang. Yeah.
And, uh, and on the other side of it is, uh,
man, dude, we can go down a rabbit hole here.
You can edit this out. Um, it was super convicting to me.
Um, unfortunately, the part of my job working
with college students, man, I dealt with, um, students
who died by suicide a lot.
Yeah. And I did too many memorial services to count,
and I had to call too many moms and dads
and say, your kid's no longer alive to count.
And it was a, as I dug into,
why is this happening and why is this happening?
I always came back to this one sentence like, oh,
you thought the greatest gift you could give those
who love you was to not be here anymore.
Yeah. You thought you were a burden.
And we've created an ecosystem
where everybody thinks they're a burden.
Hey, I don't know. I don't wanna clown on your church
again, edit this part out.
But I haven't been to a church recently
that doesn't have either a paid position
or a committee whose job is to greet people.
Like we have to create that. That's a, that's a, a job.
Now, hospi like saying hello is designated for
what happened, right?
Like, like, and we, and here's the thing.
I think it comes from a good place.
I don't wanna bother anybody. I don't wanna be weird.
I don't wanna freak people out. I
don't wanna ask for a ride.
I'll just Uber. I don't wanna borrow
a cup of sugar and some eggs.
I'll just Instacart. And we have all these opportunities
to not engage with each other.
And at the end of the day, we start getting
heavier and heavier and heavier.
Dude, I'm just a burden man.
I don't wanna go over there and hold his arms up.
He may have, he didn't, he didn't, he may have a skin issue
and I don't wanna embarrass send him.
I don't wanna shame him. And then we just
watch the whole thing collapse.
Yeah. Instead of just saying, you know what?
I'm showing up man, if that guy don't want me here,
he could tell me, but I'm gonna go be a part
of loving him as best I can.
We're not a burden. None of us are. None of us are.
We can be annoying. Real annoying.
I could be, dude, I, trust me, my, I can be real annoying.
My wife tells me I'm a lot, but we're not a burden man.
Yeah. We're not. And the more I see myself as that way,
the more I shell up
and the more my body
screams, Hey, you gotta have connection.
And the more the guy who needs me just to sit
by him in the hospital, you know what I mean?
I would've, I would've got the note. I would've exhaled.
I would've got the message from the doctor.
I would've exhaled, I would've visited my wife,
and then I would've had to go home and be with my son.
And man, I would've held all of
that would've been locked inside me.
Yeah. And, um, thank god somebody showed up.
Well, what a fantastic interview so far with Dr.
John Delony. In fact, it is going so well.
We don't want to cut it as short as our normal podcast.
We have decided to extend this over into two episodes.
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