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What happens when you're not just a coach—but also Dad?
In this episode of Tough Talk the conversation centers around one of the most rewarding and challenging experiences in youth sports: coaching your own child. From navigating expectations and building trust to teaching discipline, accountability, and resilience, the panel shares honest stories about balancing family and competition.
The discussion explores years of coaching experience, AAU basketball, player development, recruiting, parenting, leadership, and the lifelong lessons sports can teach young athletes. The guests reflect on the importance of developing character over trophies, allowing kids to grow through adversity, and understanding that the biggest wins often happen long after the final buzzer.
Whether you're a coach, parent, athlete, or simply someone who believes sports can shape lives, this episode offers valuable insights into raising confident young men and women through the game of basketball.
00:00 – Welcome back to Tough Talk TV
00:27 – Introducing today's conversation
01:11 – Meet Coach Mark Davis
01:39 – Coaching youth basketball and developing players
02:27 – Introducing today's guests
02:41 – Coaching your own sons through every stage
03:38 – Basketball journeys and personal backgrounds
04:28 – Welcoming Chuck to the conversation
06:00 – The unique challenge of being both dad and coach
09:00 – Building trust with your child
13:00 – Teaching discipline instead of demanding perfection
18:00 – The balance between pushing and supporting
23:00 – Letting kids fail and learn
28:00 – AAU basketball and player development
34:00 – Recruiting, exposure, and opportunities
40:00 – Character is more important than talent
46:00 – Lessons that extend far beyond basketball
52:00 – Advice for parents coaching their own children
58:00 – Final thoughts and encouragement
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What is Tough Talk: The Real Side of Sports?
Tough Talk: The Real Side of Sports is a show built for athletes, coaches, parents, and everyday people who value honesty, discipline, and growth.
Each episode goes beyond the highlight reels to explore the mindsets, habits, and hard truths that drive success — in sports and in life. We don’t sugarcoat. We don’t dodge hard topics. From mental health and leadership to performance and perseverance, we talk about what others are afraid to.
Hosted by Michael Smith, Tough Talk is about becoming stronger — mentally, physically, and emotionally — both on and off the court. Whether you’re chasing championships or just trying to become your best self, this is your locker room for real talk, authentic growth, and accountability.
Iron sharpens iron. Welcome to Tough Talk.
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Real conversations. Real lessons. No fluff. This is tough talk. The real side of sports. From high school to college, from the locker room to life, we're breaking down what it means to be disciplined, authentic and mentally tough. Hosted by Michael Smith. Iron sharpens iron.
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Unknown
all right. Yeah. Y'all listen, welcome back to tough talk TV again. We've been away. I'm glad to be back. We've been away from the TV scenes for a minute. It's been I don't even know how many months.
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Unknown
But like I said, when life is laughing, you got to take a pause, and it's all good. But you know, my man Joe knows we're going to get back. And I got some really good guests here. We got a really good topic that's been sitting on my mind for a long time, my time away. I've been thinking about a lot of stuff, so.
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Unknown
But we can't get everything because we only got an hour, so we're going to try to stay on topic. But if it gets off, it's so good, man. Everybody knows what's up, so I'm gonna have my man introduce themselves. We got some really cool guys here today and we're going to have some good, some good, some good tough talk possibly by guy Mark.
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Unknown
All right. My name is Mark Davis. I'm originally from from Mississippi. I came here back in the early 90s. I was in the early 90s to play the basketball at NC state, but I've been around the game while my entire life and throughout my years of just staying here in Raleigh, staying in the area, you know, I've been invested in a lot of kids and invested in their in their two lives and their growth in the game of basketball.
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Unknown
So, you know, and I stay, I stay active. I coached Cap City Clutch for years for about six years. Okay. I had a group of kids that were pretty decent that included my son, which is what we're going to be talking about today. I know we're going to get back into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I just spend my time, man.
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Unknown
Just primarily just teaching the youth because we don't have enough good teachers. And I don't like to knock anybody's game. We just don't have enough good teachers of the game. I always come back to Mark, man when it comes to self. Like I watch them teach. Even when he trained my son, I'm like, hey, Mark, got some stuff with him, man.
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Unknown
So I'm like, yeah, but you know, we pulled from each other, you know, we got some things we pulled from each other and sometimes and we're going to talk about that because when it's coming from dad, sometimes it sounds like a punishment. So you got that's how we met. You got to switch it. I'm observing him with his son, little.
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Unknown
I was like, that's what I want. That's that's where I want to go. So we're gonna switch it up, but let my man introduce yourself. And then we're going to go a little bit about yourself, who your son is, and then we could go from there. All right. But Rod Edwards, coach at Greenfield Greenfield School in Wilson, North Carolina.
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Unknown
Yes. My son is Colby Edwards and Nick Edwards. Coach I coach Nick all the way up from from. From the time he started to the time he graduated and he went on the road. And with Colby, I coached him from a, from a all the way up until eighth grade. When he got to eighth grade, I started letting everybody because he was a little bit different.
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Unknown
So, you know, somebody else get him. Yeah okay. Okay. Right. So and that's it. But now when I say that, I'm saying that in the summer because high school I coached him assistant coach at Greenfield under coach Salter. So gotcha gotcha gotcha. Where did you did you play college ball? I did, I ended up I was supposed to go to Georgia Tech out of high school.
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Unknown
But you know, back then we had the SAT. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. Some things I'm not going to say on here, but it's all good. It's tough talk. So I ended up going JuCo is one of the top JuCo in the country. Yeah yeah. At that time and then finished out in Arkansas. So yeah. Vinson where's that Vincennes Indiana okay.
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Unknown
So you left okay. Cool cool. So you're originally from I'm from. I was just crazy. I was born in Wilson. I was raised in Rocky Mountain. Now now I'm back in Wilson. Back, back home. Then I live in Wales. Yeah, that's. Sometimes that's what it takes, man.
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Unknown
Hey. Hey, everybody. Everybody give it up for Chuck. Everybody give it up for Chuck. Chuck!
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Unknown
He'll he'll he'll be man. Black people. Man.
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Unknown
That's what. Get the podcast, man.
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Unknown
Oh, now come on, man, listen. No, I got I got Joe behind me, man. So, you know,
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Unknown
We got Super Joe, we got Super Joe.
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Unknown
We just did what's good. What's up with you? What? Chuck. That's what's up with Hollywood. Chuck okay.
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Unknown
What's up? Chuck Todd at gunpoint. Stop.
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Unknown
So, Chuck. Man. What? I was just we just started. So you didn't miss anything, man. And everybody know Chuck is one of one of my co-hosts, and he, you know, very professional play ball. We all know who Chuck Master Flex is. I was just introducing everybody and they was explaining, you know, their background, where they came from.
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Unknown
And we're going to get into the topic of the day, which is dads who coached their sons. Right. And to just have some, some dialog or some some, you know, some conversations around that. And Chuck, I know you ain't got no kids that we don't know of. Oh,
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Unknown
but you know, oh my girl, all my girls, they won't play nothing.
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Unknown
They won't play dead.
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Unknown
Chuck got a lot of kids, man. And Chuck. And feel free to chime in, but the conversation is going to go. If it goes the way I wanted it to go, then we should get a lot of content.
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Unknown
Because this is not just for me. There's a lot of dads out there that's coaching their kids, that's going through some things, some have some good, good, bad. I mean, I don't I don't think there's no dad that's coaching that kid where we're the situation was completely ideal, right. Like everything was just always good. Like, I don't I don't think there's a dad.
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Unknown
No, no no way, no how so? But we're going to learn about it. I guess we could pull from each other or, you know, some other dads who are thinking about, you know, coaching their kids and what to do, how to let go, you know, whether you should keep them, some anxiety about letting them go. All of that stuff comes into play.
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Unknown
And then we get into get going a little bit more deeper than that. So
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Unknown
Go ahead. Go ahead.
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Unknown
And we need I know I ain't got to say this, but the guys in that studio but my my co-host right here, you know I don't think he got his number.
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Unknown
But we don't want y'all to dance.
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Unknown
So no no no no no no. Hey, listen, I don't know how to do nothing but bro. That's it. I wouldn't listen. I wouldn't have came, bro. Listen, I got a tap dance. He always said I
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Unknown
got my tap. Be real with these parents and these dads because I don't think they do.
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Unknown
Well, I know they don't do any things out of malice. I think they do things kind of out of ignorance and, you know, wanting their kids to make it that far. But like Mike said, just go into detail. And
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Unknown
three, all that because what do you have? Fathers? And of course y'all got wives or others that go through it as well.
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Unknown
Like what it take to get there? Like when Mike said to let go and then just understand like, look at this point I it's it is what it is.
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Unknown
Hey, Chuck, I think you got to religious in here, bro. Real trust. I ain't holding nothing. I won't do a podcast by getting you real.
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Unknown
That's what I said, that that's what I said, that that's why I said that.
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Unknown
But I know I had to give it a disclaimer. Yeah, but that's why I said that, though.
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Unknown
He. Was he talking about me? Right. Because he said I like the tap dance.
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Unknown
And here's my issue. Right. Like it's not about tap dancing. It's more so
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Unknown
I'm I work for the school system. I'll probably work.
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Unknown
Right. So misrepresentation can be a big thing for sure if you say the wrong thing. So I'm just I'm looking at the end road because once I get out of this school system, I'm telling you it's going to get nasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See what kind
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Unknown
of like me
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Unknown
why you do this to me? What are you doing it.
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Unknown
You're doing it the right way. His business. I mean, at the end of the day, you can kind of shine more light on on it, though. I think they will understand that. And I think they would appreciate it too. Yeah. It just depends on what you're saying. Right, right. So like how I want to say it to I can't say it.
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Unknown
Yeah yeah, yeah. So you know we'll get there, we get you to get us notes and we'll get it out of.
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Unknown
Oh, but he's been giving Mike a hard time. I'll be giving up my
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Unknown
car. He said, listen, it's not tap dancing, but it's more I got. You got to be careful, man. You know, one thing I don't want to do, and I never want to do this on the show unless I get to.
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Unknown
That is sabotage. Another kid, you know what I'm saying? Or do anything like that. But tough talking, you know, if some kids see it that way, some parents will see it that way. If you speak in the truth about something. So you just gotta be careful of how you say certain things you don't mean no, no, no malice, anything like that.
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Unknown
But it's just when you say it, they process it wrong. So you just gotta be careful, Chuck. Call it tap dancing. But he said, why, why, why would you name it? Tough talk. Right. Trust
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Unknown
me. Right. You gotta you gotta work. It's going to get there. It's going to get there.
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Unknown
We got you. We got you, Chuck! Chuck, Chuck, Chuck me on head.
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Unknown
Oh, Lord, I ain't my. Listen, if he didn't edit. Yeah.
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Unknown
Alright. So
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Unknown
Super Joe man.
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Unknown
We got super,
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Unknown
Super Joe help me out a lot because there was some stuff I said. I'm like, yo yo in the middle of the night. Yo, listen, take that off, man. Don't don't put that. And he did a really good job because I was going to hurt some feelings man. But you know.
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Unknown
Right.
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Unknown
first question. Be quick and we can we you want to go ahead? We go wrong. We go wrong. So what?
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Unknown
What made you decide to coach your own son instead of letting someone else do it? Like in the beginning? Well, I trusted me, okay? Like, first and foremost, I trusted me. And then, you know, the area we're in, right? We're not in a big area, right? We're not in, like, Charlotte or. Or Texas or something like that. When.
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Unknown
Wilson. Yeah. I don't know what the population is, but it's not very big. So and it started off with Wilson elite Wilson elite yo yo. And so you know I've always been involved in coaching too. So it was pretty much it was easy for me. It's not like I got to have my son. It wasn't like that. It just that was great.
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Unknown
Actually I was assistant coach and the coach couldn't make it to a tournament. And when I made, I made it there. I coached them that weekend and from from that day. I never stopped coaching that team or no guys. What? So what did the head coach ever come back or he came back, but he actually the head coach was the director, okay?
00:10:05:23 - 00:10:24:09
Unknown
Dwayne Pittman, he ran the whole thing, okay. And but he he had two teams. So he kept the other team. And he just gave me that team. And I'm assuming because my son was on that team. So how did how did how did like how did. How did Kobe respond to that? He was cool because, I mean, Rick Ball, I had him like I always I always had him.
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Unknown
He had for the most part. Yeah. Training them coming up like in the beginning. Okay. What about you, Mark? Well, it's sort of similar. Similar to what I was saying. It's just for me, it was just about. I felt like I was the best prepared to impart my wisdom about basketball, about the game of basketball. On my son.
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Unknown
At the time, it was two parts, one part. He said. He loved it. He acted like he loved it. If he can prove he loved it to me. Yeah, right. Sorry. Because it takes a lot to prove this to me. I'm not just going. I'm not giving no handout. Right. You want to play this or whatever? You want me to invest my time in it?
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Unknown
You want me to invest my life in it or whatever, and it's important to you. So if it's important to you, you'll do what I ask you to do. And I just didn't feel like there was nobody that I had seen that was going to be able to get that was going to be able to give him what I, what I could give him from a from a wisdom standpoint.
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Unknown
So, you know, and eventually, you know, you get to the point where I was saying, you get to the point where you want to give, you got to give it give the reins to someone else. And I eventually did that. But to start out, yeah, it was all about hell. I hadn't, I hadn't running to anybody that's going on.
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Unknown
Give him the that I'm going to give him because I'm gonna give it to him from love. Right. For real. I'm dad at home. I'm coach out there. I ain't never your friend. That's the way I'm comin. So. So at any point, at any point. Did so, like, what was the struggles behind that? Like, I know there's been some battles in the gym, you know, because when it's coming from dad.
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Unknown
Right. So you guys, you know, I can say by default, you know, the coach wasn't there, you took on and then did you become the head coach or did you? So you became so did the coach. Like how did he feel about that? Was it like a decision that was made or did you have like a good session?
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Unknown
He was like, yo, you should do this. Yeah. No, he was cool with it. Okay. He, he I think looking back at it like he probably wanted to do that anyway. Okay. Okay. So yeah, but he was cool with it. I was cool guy. And my son was with him. My my oldest son Nick. The other one's got you my oldest son in the house.
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Unknown
Be clear. So he he was he had he was with Dwayne. So. Okay. He worked out. So go ahead, Mark. Because at a certain age, I mean, we all boys, we all been through that phase, whatever. It's going to be certain stages throughout their their growth from little to after they get out of high school where you're going to Butthead.
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Unknown
So you asked about. Yeah. You know, what kind of conflicts it had, right? I mean, we would have dark moments in the gym, but it's all about it was all about me just being truthful and honest with them. Yeah. Like, bro, look, you want this. You say you want this, you got to put in this work. I'm telling you how to do it.
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Unknown
You even want to do it or you don't. Right, right. If you don't want to do it right, go ahead. Let me ask you this question. Was it was it him not showing you that or. No. He showed it early, but then eventually, you know, it starts. It starts. He starts to get that mindset. Well I've arrived like no bro.
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Unknown
You if you want to be prepared place it. Yeah. Start getting complacent. So that's what we. But here because I don't think your work should ever decline. Gotcha. Right. If you got your head set on a goal, you should never decline in your work, in your efforts. Sure. And he got to a point where he got complacent because he thought that he was he was as good as he was going.
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Unknown
Yeah, he was there already. And I'm just I'm saying, look, I'm showing you you're not there. Yeah. Right. So but but what was the result of that. Like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. It got me wanting to snatch him up. Like, you know, me wanting to snatch him up. But I know, you know grew up. I'm not going to be cruel to him or whatever.
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Unknown
I know, I know, but at the same time, you know, we had some, some moments, tough talk. We had some tough talks. Yeah. So yeah, that was the result of that. But eventually, you know, he finds out they are. We all did it. You know I mean I have dad growing up but my mom was my dad and mom.
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Unknown
My mom was just tougher on me than my dad would have ever been. Right. But so we all have moments where we. But it's what I wanted our parents. But we eventually find out. I'm trying to show him. Look, you can. Negro can find out now. Don't wait until you 18. Damn, I wish I would have this, and I'm telling you, can't turn back the clock.
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Unknown
Yeah, you can't turn it back. So you want to get it in? I can, yeah, I got you. I definitely could relate to that, man. I mean, it's my my so my situation. And that's why it was something that, that I've been dealing with a long time. A lot of people don't know me. I'm from New York. I went to school at Shaw, came down here, brought my family down here.
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Unknown
You know, I don't know if y'all know I. I played at Nebraska. Yeah, for 1 or 2 years. I ain't doing nothing there. But I was there, right? Played at JuCo Perry Junior College and all that stuff like that. So I knew a little bit. But coaching was never in the books. Gotcha. For me, it was never something that I had like, yeah, you know, when when my son gets older, this is what I'm going to do.
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Unknown
I'm going to coach him. Never was that so my situation came of at first I had had an issue with travel ball. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not letting this kid play ball, travel board. And I'm like, I'm gonna train him. I was nervous, right? Yeah. Not my first son, but the first son that I got playing basketball.
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Unknown
So I just was like, man, like, you want to get one shot at this, so you want, you know, you're just nervous. You just don't know what you're going to get. And I come from what they considered, you know, the Mecca of, of basketball. We take that with pride. So you got to be careful of what you do with your kid, man.
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Unknown
You know what I'm saying? So I do remember being in the. And I'm not going to talk too much because we got more questions being in a barbershop and my, you know, by Shaw. And it was a guy and he was like, hey man, my man coach had gone the road. I didn't even know what going to road was coming from somewhere else.
00:16:06:17 - 00:16:20:22
Unknown
I'm like, yeah, now we good. You know, I mean, like, we, we're not looking for. No. And then the guy was like, well, listen, I'm telling you, man, this is the this is where yes, I need to be like, no, I'll look into it. Whatever I took, I took him over there. I took him over there. I ended up taking him over.
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Unknown
I'm like, all right now. I've been training you since birth. You know what I mean? It's time to, you know, it's time to do something different. Get him to go on the road and things. So I guess those kids kind of been together since, like, second grade. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So he going in fourth grade, he hooping and he's skilled, but he don't know the game.
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Unknown
Right. You know what I'm saying. Like he's scoring on people but he doesn't know certain things. So whatever happened that go in the road like we don't got to talk about all the negatives, anything like that. Whatever happened there we we didn't stay right. We didn't stay. And then we moved on to other different teams. And then the the falling out, the actual falling out was with Team Wall.
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Unknown
Right. And I know you know me from trades, but Team War was Corey's love line like he loved Team Wall. I mean this kid was drawing pictures of John Wall and I'm like he's like, I want to stay. Like, because he found the home, I think. I don't know if you know. Hester. Hester. Allen. Allen. Allen I was a coach on that team.
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Unknown
You. So you were so. Yeah. So we had came so he was coaching there. And then for some reason, I don't know the business. They fell out. So Corey is giving me this look on his face. He's like he in the fifth grade. He like you know what I'm gonna do now? I'm like, I don't know, man. I mean, I guess we had to get back to the gym, right?
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Unknown
So he looks so he's like, won't you do it? I'm like, no, I'm not, I'm not, you know, and I'm not Michael Jordan. But he said something that that made sense. He was like, he doesn't really want to be a coach because of what he will expect of that kid. Right? So I'm like, if you want me to be the coach, like, I'll, I don't know if we're going to have this, this kind of because, you know.
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Unknown
Yeah. So I was nervous that it was going to break. Yeah. What I had going on with him. So I ended up doing it. I came up with the name, I was in my office. I came up with the name Team Tough. I actually I had him, I said, pick it and then we going to just dive in and see where it takes us, you know what I mean?
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Unknown
But to talk about the back end so we can move on to the next question, the the ups and downs is the standards, right? Me, me coming from New York, we take pride in basketball. We take pride in losing. We take pride in the game. We don't cut no
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Unknown
I'm like, yo, listen, it's going to be war.
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Unknown
Like, you know what I mean? We going to get in this gym and and if it's not what it is, you're not going to like me. You know, you're not going to like you're not going to like it. So there were times I'm like, man, I don't think I think, you know, Corey might not be. It might not be because I, like you asked you asked you wanted to do this.
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Unknown
And this is the only way I know, right? Right. This is the only way I know how to do this. Like, I, you know, talk about 5:00 in the morning and, you know, that's what I used to do. You know, I lived in a building where it was 23 floors, and I ran the stairs every morning, you know what I mean?
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Unknown
Ten times, you know, you. Have you seen Through the Fire with Sebastian something similar to that. So I'm like, Corey, this is this is what it's going to take. But I think I put it on them too early like a lot, a whole lot. Yeah. And then, you know, I just, you know, but it was just tough.
00:19:13:17 - 00:19:28:03
Unknown
We had some, some dark moments in there. So that's why I said, man, let me just it's more to it than what we talk about. But that's just between me and him. And that's how Team Tough started it. Just we fell out. So. So I'm just going to ask both of you like I'm the host. But no, you're good.
00:19:28:04 - 00:19:46:01
Unknown
The job boys get to see y'all play. No, only on film. My son seen games on film. I think that's where I think, because I never really had that dark moment y'all talking about. Okay? Because they saw me playing, like, not in not in, like, college or nothing. Just like pickup. And I'm getting to it like I'm bugging.
00:19:46:03 - 00:20:02:12
Unknown
Yeah. So I think they respected that like my dad. Not who everybody in the hood in the neighborhood. Yeah. Like I was Kahoot. You got who created. Yeah. All right. So I think that that kind of helped me a little bit for sure. Well, he sold me. Who? Corey sold me play basketball. He saw what I could do.
00:20:02:13 - 00:20:20:19
Unknown
Like, there's a video on my page with him filming me. Duncan on people. He saw that probably. I think he was in middle school when he saw it. So then he just he just wanted he was rough. He competitor too. I seen you very, very, very competitive. Very competitive. He you know, you're dealing with injuries and stuff like that.
00:20:20:19 - 00:20:37:16
Unknown
But he's he saw me who? It was just more so like, I don't think he knew exactly what it took. Right. So when I gave it to him, like, he, like, yo. Am I the only kid in the world doing this? Like, no, that's the other side of it. I got you right. Like like like that. Like, you know, can I go to the park?
00:20:37:17 - 00:20:56:02
Unknown
No. Maybe not. You may not. You know, it's a sacrifice. So it's like you got to let him be a kid. And I've learned that later on just by looking at other podcasts, watching other fathers. I'm very analytical, but it's just more so like, you know, do you keep doing it this way or do you just pull back, you know, like, what do you what do you do?
00:20:56:03 - 00:21:19:20
Unknown
Are you going to destroy your relationship with them? Is it going to hurt them? Is it going to help them? You just don't know. So delicate ass line to wall, man. It's a delicate line to walk. Trying to trying to separate from raising a young, responsible man, to be an upstanding citizen within the community. And you trying to raise an elite basketball player because that's what they say you want.
00:21:19:21 - 00:21:36:02
Unknown
I tell my son all the time, your your father is the only person you're going to encounter that wants you to be better than him. You ain't going to run into not any other person that wants you to be better than them, but your dad does. And if you want me to help you or whatever, brother, this is what it takes.
00:21:36:04 - 00:21:54:00
Unknown
You might have to sacrifice instead of five hours a week on that game and be able to be two hours a week. Yeah, you want this to be a hobby when you get out, or you want it to be a job and it's repetitive. Yeah, it's repetitive. And those are the those things were told to me, right. But not from my like my grandmother raised me.
00:21:54:00 - 00:22:15:19
Unknown
So my coach was the one that was telling me this, telling me all these things. And then I'm just kind of like giving it to him. It's a it's hard. It's hard being a dad, dad and a coach. And then, you know, you're training them. You also gotta, you know, parent them at the same time. So it's like, how do you how do you balance that?
00:22:15:20 - 00:22:33:03
Unknown
Right. Like, how do you balance that without destroying the relationship. And, you know, because you could push kids away. You could push kids away. You see the ball family you see, you know, I mean, it's scary. It's a it's a scary site. I got a question for for y'all to we're taking like how do you. Yeah I'm taking on my father.
00:22:33:05 - 00:22:56:07
Unknown
No no no no I'm not even supposed to be talking. Supposed to be in the concept of coaching your team with your son on it. You know, that's a that's a whole other beast. That's a whole other side to coaching or whatever. The team coaching, coaching with the team that your son's on. Because you talk about balance, teaching your kid how to play basketball and teaching them how to work out and train the right way.
00:22:56:12 - 00:23:15:18
Unknown
That's just you and him one on one. But when you got a team of kids, right, you can't be partial. You can't be biased, right? How do you guys want to do that? That's one of the questions though, like oh okay. No, no, but you already we don't even got to go into it. Like it's just like like how have you ever been harder on your son than anyone else.
00:23:16:00 - 00:23:34:16
Unknown
Right. And and how did that work out. And I'll say this. Me no, I coach, I just treated him like he was another player. Right. Because I had to I didn't I didn't give him no special treatment. I wasn't harder on him. If it was hard, it's just hard. If it's hard on this kid, it's just hard. I just coach.
00:23:34:17 - 00:23:49:16
Unknown
But did it ever come off to other people that you were doing that? It came off as if I was. Yeah. Like, why is he playing? He shouldn't even be playing. He's too young. And I'm looking like, bro, like, you really want me to say what I want to say, right? But, you know, the kid didn't do
00:23:49:19 - 00:23:50:23
Unknown
nothing.
00:23:51:01 - 00:23:53:02
Unknown
I want you to say, yeah, there's some some,
00:23:53:06 - 00:23:58:07
Unknown
some don't. Tap dance. You're.
00:23:58:09 - 00:23:59:21
Unknown
Listening. Some
00:23:59:22 - 00:24:02:13
Unknown
dude like. Right. And not that they can't, not
00:24:02:14 - 00:24:16:08
Unknown
that they can't get better. Right? Right. But at this moment, yes, my son is younger than you because I always played him up all the way to the eighth grade. And Kobe's a monster. He was better. Yeah, but I didn't want to be like, yo, your son's shit.
00:24:16:10 - 00:24:29:16
Unknown
I didn't want to use my friends, but I didn't want to do that because I love children, bro. I love basketball, and I love that game. Right? But at the end of the day, don't try to play me like it's not what it is. Don't do that. Like, it's not what it is. Y'all see. If you if you see you.
00:24:29:18 - 00:24:34:03
Unknown
Some parents are delusional. Hey, what's the first episode?
00:24:34:05 - 00:24:37:06
Unknown
First episode, the deletion I wish.
00:24:37:09 - 00:24:55:11
Unknown
Can we bring me back? Right. Hey, bring me back and let's do a part two. But, but but no real talk like I. Man. Listen, y'all are taking me back for sure. But here's the thing. You're looking at this kid, and you're trying to win at the same time, but you're also at that age, it really ain't about winning and losing.
00:24:55:11 - 00:25:12:15
Unknown
But I'm a competitor to. And these kids love to win. Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out how to win. We're trying to win. So they get mad. Oh don't let minds turn it over two times. Take him out. Mine's turn it over. One time he come out and game. Yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm like yo he wrote longer.
00:25:12:17 - 00:25:28:19
Unknown
Exactly. His rope is longer. And as you go up and I think now by this time I'm sure they have seen that. Right. Like it's just bring me back. Exactly. Listen, you should have been in the studio. Yeah. You should have been.
00:25:28:21 - 00:25:34:18
Unknown
Hey. You're right. I'm gonna be the next time. But you talking about. Yeah. They ain't seen it.
00:25:34:19 - 00:26:00:11
Unknown
It's wrapped around their damn. Probably holding the rope like this. Yeah, like. Yeah, like you did this to me. They still see it because we didn't do that. Are they talking about. Are they talking about your son or the kid? That's better. You should be looking at him like, well, damn, he is better. He is carrying this. How can I get my kids on his level instead of, like, what you talking about?
00:26:00:12 - 00:26:22:02
Unknown
Because all the time. So it's not like, bro, I'm not running to the bank with you. Don't worry about it. Go about the business, okay? Look, look. And I can say this live, right? I'm guilty of that, Chuck. I'm guilty of being the parent in the stands and seeing these things happen and saying, like, you know, saying something.
00:26:22:03 - 00:26:33:01
Unknown
You close to his game. But I shouldn't have said anything, right? Right. But as a parent, I do know how hard it is to sit there and just watch. Bullshit, right? What was your son? Better.
00:26:33:03 - 00:26:37:00
Unknown
He was good enough to be doing more.
00:26:37:00 - 00:26:56:18
Unknown
Like he just wasn't. He wasn't in a position to be to be doing more like he was. It was just more. So something happened to where there was a shift. And like I said, I don't want to I don't want to go too deep into that. But it was like, as in the stands when I, when I was seeing something from a basketball perspective or a coach or a player, it was hard for me to sit there and not say something, you know what I'm saying?
00:26:56:18 - 00:27:13:11
Unknown
Like, I'm like, man. And only because I know how much he cared about where he was at. So I'm like, man, don't do this. Don't do this. Now, you know what I'm saying? Now we adding some more players and now all of a sudden it's an issue with him. You know what I mean? Like the margin is a little slower.
00:27:13:11 - 00:27:35:18
Unknown
But I was wrong. And I and I admit to that like I shouldn't have said certain things, but I wasn't all the way wrong. Right? Right. You know what I'm saying? Like. And I'm just being honest. Like, we we know that there was something because even the person apologized to me. But as a, as a player and as a, as a man and coming from the game, I shouldn't have said a word because as parents, we try to protect our kids.
00:27:35:20 - 00:27:51:11
Unknown
I should have let them go through it, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, it's just like, let me see how you respond to this. Yeah, you know what I mean. Instead of saying, yo, man, would you treat my son like that? Yeah. So it was a lesson for me, and I've never know what I'm saying. Like, I've never done it again because I actually became the coach and now I got parents doing it.
00:27:51:11 - 00:28:11:02
Unknown
To me, I'm looking like, yeah, it's hard as hell, you know what I'm saying? But when you go. But but to piggyback off what you're saying, I've had that with Corey, right? Like, Corey has been been trained since birth, so he's very skilled. He's very he's very competitive. And he can hope he can play like he's been on a slump because of injuries.
00:28:11:02 - 00:28:26:18
Unknown
And we all we all know that. I'm not worried about that. But in the time that that he was hooping on my team, I've had parents coming through like, oh, your son. No, apparently told me this. And, you know, they might see this. Oh, I feel like it's a two man game because it was Corey and knowledge. Now the rush right.
00:28:26:18 - 00:28:48:02
Unknown
It was Corey and it was Corey. Now I'm like listen to be honest, it is at the moment because that's who we had. Like those were the two guys that that we need. That was the Batman and Robins who have considered to be bad Robin. You know, they both probably think they're Batman, but those were the Batman and Robin, and we would have parents come up like, oh, well, your son, your son made he turned it over and my son turned it over.
00:28:48:02 - 00:29:11:12
Unknown
Well, why you didn't take him out and it's a favoritism thing. Or he took more shots. I'm like, listen, but you you you don't understand. You don't understand like you. And then you got kids who are coming to practice every day but not showing up in games. Your kid. So you tell me how to like what is he taking attendance like?
00:29:11:13 - 00:29:27:01
Unknown
Like you get what I'm saying? Like like how do you how do you come to practice every day, but you don't produce doing games, and then you got one kid that who don't show up, maybe someone to talk. He's producing. They was talking about that. But your kid is here every single time. But I can go deep into that.
00:29:27:02 - 00:29:43:15
Unknown
Yeah, I can go deep into that. So that's that's some of the battles that then it's the jealousy part. Right. So like you talk about winning, how do we win when we got people that's jealous of of the guy. That's that's getting it done I didn't care right. It becomes it becomes. You don't think it becomes a cancer I didn't care.
00:29:43:16 - 00:30:06:17
Unknown
You can leave like because I always I was straight up and I was talking with everybody. Find one of them exits five, one of leaves. Right? Like, I feel like that to this day. Yeah. If you're not happy. Yeah. Please leave. Just leave. Go somewhere else, and I guarantee you you're going to be unhappy there, too, because your son is not what you think your son is.
00:30:06:19 - 00:30:26:11
Unknown
I've always been real with mine. Yeah. I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm gonna give this to y'all cause I don't want to interrupt y'all, but might know, am I right? You know that we have been a lot of talking about it, you know? Everybody ready? But what y'all think, right? But the whole travel ball situation, because it's.
00:30:26:11 - 00:30:45:02
Unknown
So it's available to everybody now. Right. We had this conversation, you know. Yes. That's true. But go back to where you were selected, where you were selected, where the one coach, the best coach in the area, went from school to school. And a lot of people are going to be it's going to be a lot of hurt, but a lot of hurt feelings, all that.
00:30:45:02 - 00:31:06:08
Unknown
Because why didn't you pick my son? Because your son ain't good for your daughter ain't good. That's just what it is. Because before, when it was selected, everybody in that room didn't been a part of that era where you had to be selected, not paid. Yeah. That's that's that's the red flag. Yep. You got to pay. Yeah. So if you got a.
00:31:06:10 - 00:31:22:22
Unknown
Yeah, if you got to pay the play then you're paying for the wrong thing. Just be just be thankful that you're on in a situation. A lot of times it don't be the kids if you're the parents because some of them kids be content. They know where they ask, they know where they are in life. They know where they're at on this court.
00:31:23:00 - 00:31:43:02
Unknown
When the game on the line, they ain't trying to take the they're trying to find Kobe. They're trying to find your son. They trying to find them here. So he go to prayer. Why. And the kid probably like mama why are you saying that. That's true. And you can tell and you can tell them called rise on to conversations in the car.
00:31:43:04 - 00:32:02:19
Unknown
You can tell when they come back. The car rides. Guilty again. I'm guilty. I'm guilty of it. Like, it's just hard not to say something. I think yours came from more passion. Yeah, I think it came from more passion. You really know the game. You know your son really have that. Yeah, right. Like, I think that's where yours come from.
00:32:02:19 - 00:32:20:12
Unknown
I'm not saying all parents be wrong for thinking that. I'm just saying I'm looking at this kid. Yeah, and I'm looking at this kid, and I'm like, what are you. What are we talking about? He dribbled twice. And don't let him try. Don't let them trap us. What do you see? What? You said that I'm not saying. Just leave him in.
00:32:20:12 - 00:32:38:08
Unknown
And you trying to help him? Yeah. We just. So just again. No you can't. So. But what is that going to do for your son? Film. I think I post on Instagram, man. And you send it. So you going to be mad at him cussing in my all the way home? Why are you turning the damn ball? You know what I mean, right?
00:32:38:09 - 00:33:13:02
Unknown
Like it's just we tried to take him out to coach him. Yeah, you curse me out. You. Oh, let me, let me. I got a question for you. It's on the same. It's on the same page for y'all right now. Don't conversations like because I have kids to where I don't tell them to defy. Defy the coaches. I don't tell them to defy their parents, but also tell them you're going to have to develop this part of your psyche, or you just have to say, cricket, and ignore your daddy, the coach, and play basketball.
00:33:13:08 - 00:33:30:23
Unknown
So for you two guys that have elite and Mike, Mike, Mike, because I'm the only one up here don't have a son playing. So for you three and Mike say you already guilty of it. So with those conversations, how do you think your son either takes it,
00:33:30:23 - 00:33:32:18
Unknown
or, you know, came out from that
00:33:32:23 - 00:33:46:09
Unknown
I just I just feel like it depends on what you say to him. What from what standpoint? Like I think like he asked and how do you how do like for example, how do I feel like Corey will how does he leave after that conversation?
00:33:46:09 - 00:34:03:09
Unknown
What is his mindset? You with him? Yeah. Oh, okay. All of us. Like if you had that conversation with your kid. How how like how are they leaving the car? How do you think they're leaving a car? I think it all depends on what parents are telling them. Yeah, I think that plays a factor. But I also think that it depends on the maturity level of the kid.
00:34:03:09 - 00:34:19:06
Unknown
Right. All right. I mean, as a as a parent, if I'm talking to from coaching fourth graders, I'm going to coach 10th graders or 12th graders or college players a lot different than I'm going to go through third and fourth grade. Yeah, right. So from my perspective, I had to look at that. When am I having conversations with my son.
00:34:19:11 - 00:34:41:00
Unknown
And they may be a little bit tougher than with a few more choice words then I might have with another kid on the team to I'm coaching. Yeah, if we weren't on one, but it depends on their age and their maturity level, how they leave, like how they're leave, that's that's going to that's going to determine how. So like so like so I can almost only imagine and you guys can attest to this.
00:34:41:01 - 00:35:01:17
Unknown
What are parents saying to their kids. Right. I think like and you could tell by the way they play the next game, I think you said like you could just tell how they come back to you. Go get go. Do you go get 40. Forget about everybody else. Go like yeah, go, go do you that right there to me is an issue.
00:35:01:19 - 00:35:16:16
Unknown
Yeah. We can tell though. Yeah, yeah we can tell and I'm cool with it. You can come try to get for it. You can tell you what you do. Right. Come over here. Come sit. It's hard to get 40. You got a fresh towel thrown in your face. And that's what I did, right. Like that's. And I know, and like I said, I'm not calling all kids out.
00:35:16:17 - 00:35:38:00
Unknown
Yeah, right. Because like, like Chuck says a hurt dog going holler, right? Yeah, right. So a hurt dog going holler every time. Every single time. When I saw that, when I saw that, I knew some of those conversations was more like, yeah, you got to come sit next to me, man. You know what I mean? Especially if it's like three people, four people on you and somebody standing wide open and you don't kick it.
00:35:38:01 - 00:35:56:17
Unknown
Yeah, you're trying to go for 40. So I'm not saying that that's what your parents told you, but what are you doing? Because I know I didn't teach you that. Right, right. So like, you got Team Tough, a brand that we created, and you're doing these things on the floor. I consider myself playing at one of the highest levels, like I never played in the league.
00:35:56:17 - 00:36:14:02
Unknown
But, you know, I played a little bit of a season, D1 or whatever. But I know that if I, I know the 3DS right of a guard, right, right. Drive, draw a ditch. Yeah, right. If you're not doing that, then you're not. You're not making the right plays. It's going to look like your IQ is low, right? If you're not jump jump into the ball.
00:36:14:04 - 00:36:30:18
Unknown
You know, on defense, if you're not talking, if you're not hedging, if you're not, you're not looking. Those things are things that we know about. And if we some parents don't understand why their kid got subbed out of the game, right, right. They think it's something dealing with offense, right? No, I took him out because he's gambling and I told him not to gamble.
00:36:30:19 - 00:36:45:01
Unknown
I took him out because he didn't jump to the board and the guy cut his face. He was. What is what is that? He didn't box out, right? Like. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that was the second chance point. Like he didn't he didn't talk. He didn't. The kid could've hurt his collarbone on the screen. It could have been for anything.
00:36:45:01 - 00:37:08:20
Unknown
But you're thinking that it's that. But the conversations. And just to answer Chuck's question, I think it depends on what you say to that kid when they leave the car. Yeah, I think it's just that that in the maturity level that in their maturity level. But I want to go back to what you were saying. I mean, the parents, the parents see the last thing that happened in the game.
00:37:08:20 - 00:37:23:08
Unknown
And they say that, hey, you took my son out because he made this turnover. You took my son out because he missed his shot. Because one of the things as a coach and especially I mean, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter if my sons on the team, just coaches in general. And I don't want to talk a little bit more about that, too.
00:37:23:09 - 00:37:41:12
Unknown
But one of the things as a coach that you got to consider is they're not looking at it from the lens with a perspective that you look at the game. Right. So parents are looking at every situation. I tell my son every time, son, you got to be able to look. But but you got to look be able to look beyond the surface.
00:37:41:13 - 00:37:56:16
Unknown
Yeah. You got to be able to think beyond the surface to what you see. I see a mike on that. But there's something going on behind that Mike. Right. So parents don't look at it. They look at what's going on right there. They saw the kid missing. Shot coach pulled them out. They said, well you taking my son out for them.
00:37:56:19 - 00:38:11:03
Unknown
But it's it's it's fitting that to him in the car. Yeah. You're like so the kid go in the game he either go go in the game you're going to. You're either going to be successful at trying to do what you want to do, or he going to fail miserably. Right, right, right. Because he's getting the wrong direction.
00:38:11:03 - 00:38:29:04
Unknown
Because he's getting the wrong perspective. Right? So, well, I think it's going to always be the coach's son. And then the coach though the coach as a coach, man, the thing that I tried, like you were saying, it's hard as hell to go to a gay man and watch anybody coach. So you don't think that they're it's hard not to say.
00:38:29:04 - 00:38:44:22
Unknown
It's hard not to say something. It's hard not to be critical of every little because I like, I think, good coaches. The thing I look for coach is, is consistent. He's detail and he makes you work hard. Yeah. All right. I can put any kid. I don't care what their skill level is or whatever I'm going to develop.
00:38:44:22 - 00:39:04:00
Unknown
I'm going to help them develop or whatever. And I can take what their accent, their their highest skill within any system that I'm doing. Because it's simple. Yeah. I don't have to put in a whole bunch of sets to ISO somebody or get, you know, get that kid his shots or whatever, because if that's what he does, I'm going to teach him how to understand when he has a mismatch.
00:39:04:00 - 00:39:26:10
Unknown
I'm going to teach him plays that will get him in a mismatch if that's what he can do. Right. But the way I deal with the parents, it's up front. Look, I don't want to talk to you about your kids going to play if he earns his play because and I hold my son just as accountable. I tell him all the time, I used to tell him, you're my commercial, you're my commercial, you're my advertisements.
00:39:26:11 - 00:39:43:20
Unknown
Yeah. You come in practice half assed, and your teammates definitely going to think they can come and practice half assed. If you ain't going to play hard, you going to see it? I'm going to set the example with you. Right. So you have no you have no. If you if you're playing for another coach you gotta you gotta lengthen that role.
00:39:43:21 - 00:40:01:20
Unknown
Right, right, right. Yeah. You got to lengthen that role. Otherwise I can't be complaining if you get in your ass. And then I have that. And so I'm gonna be 100 with him. This is what I'm going to be about. You know, if somebody I'm not going to let nobody shit on him. But I'm going to be, you know, just honest with him about the situation as I am with the parents or any other coach.
00:40:01:21 - 00:40:22:11
Unknown
So that's a fact. I agree for sure. For sure man. I've I've lost players. I've lost players because I had that mindset like, yeah, you can leave. Like you can leave like and because as a parent it's going to no matter what you say or do, it's going to always be a biased, you know, position that you like that for every time, every time.
00:40:22:11 - 00:40:43:05
Unknown
And that's that's one of the things that I struggle with. Like I might need a therapist. Yeah. Is the biased mindset like the the biased perception of me when it comes to Corey? You know what I'm saying? Like I just know what he can do. Yeah. I just know like if I'm I played the game, I'm not going to just if he stink I'm gonna say he's stink.
00:40:43:11 - 00:41:02:19
Unknown
Like no. He sit down like don't pass him the ball. Like why, why. But why would I. Why would I make those comments. And then again, not that I don't know how to like. I coach everybody the same. I coach them, but I do see myself some sometimes being a little bit harder on him. Not not intentionally. It's just that's just the way I am, you know?
00:41:02:20 - 00:41:24:18
Unknown
It's crazy. I peeked you the other day at Laney. Okay. Oh, I peeked it. Yeah, I peeked it, but I understood it, though. Okay. Right. Like I got it, I understand. Yeah. Corey. Like, you know bro. Come on, bro, for sure. So another guy, you know how all of them play. Yeah. So it's only so much you're going to say to somebody else, right.
00:41:24:18 - 00:41:46:09
Unknown
Yeah. Right. Too much is given. Much is required. Got you. Yep. You're the starting point guard of this team. And you going to make that play, right? So I saw you when you. Yeah I saw I saw it but. And I understood it. But somebody else probably. Why are you. So what's wrong. Yeah it's it's a, it's a, it's a bad it's not a bad thing, but it's a more of a standard thing with me.
00:41:46:10 - 00:42:00:01
Unknown
Right. Like knowing what he's up against as being a small guard. You show him film. Yeah. Yeah, we watch film him. I had to wait until I just told my. But, you know, you know what it is? What? You know what is with that,
00:42:00:02 - 00:42:02:08
Unknown
The film.
00:42:02:10 - 00:42:15:12
Unknown
I try to give him his economy. Right. I want him to ask me to come watch film. Like that's what I've been doing with him. Like, we have access to huddle, we have access. But I want to see. And now I'm at a point to where, let's see how much you love. Or if I took it away from you.
00:42:15:13 - 00:42:27:12
Unknown
Yeah. Over these years. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if I snatched it from you by being hard on you, but you're telling me you want to be this high level player? You're telling me you want to play Division one basketball, you want to do all these things? But we gave you the fruits of what it takes.
00:42:27:13 - 00:42:42:06
Unknown
You got to watch film. So let's. I want him to. And then I'll let him ask me to do that. I never let him watch film until he watch it with me, because I know he don't know what he's looking at. He's looking for the crossover shot. Yeah. Nah, we gotta look for the watch YouTuber. Yeah, it's been for that shit.
00:42:42:09 - 00:43:01:14
Unknown
Like all of that. All in all of that. But but with K and with the team that we have now with Panther Creek. Right, right. Like, I think you saw the game with Sean wasn't even there. Right. Like it's that game was kind of like he could throw this one in the garbage. Right? Because even Corey was playing to the end of the game and the game was over.
00:43:01:17 - 00:43:22:11
Unknown
You know me. So he was mentally I knew where his head was at. But in that moment I'm like, Corey, even when, when when coach Rob is not here, you still got to be the floor general. You still gotta play as if he's you're a reflection. You're an extension of him. Yeah, right. But again, when I know certain things about him, it's hard to say certain because.
00:43:22:12 - 00:43:38:15
Unknown
And you probably see me like that because last year I wasn't like that. Last year I was, you know, a little, little here and there and going into a senior, I'm like, I don't care. Now I'm talking, I'm speaking up. I'm saying something because it's not biased. I want him to be great. I want him to be the and he's got to want that.
00:43:38:15 - 00:43:54:15
Unknown
But that's just where my mind is that. Yeah. And I suffered in silence a lot last year. In the year before that, I just didn't say anything. I just didn't say anything. I'm just like, you know, they say you're the expert of your son, but I'm also a coach. So, like, what position does that put me in? And I'll coach everybody.
00:43:54:15 - 00:44:11:23
Unknown
I'll coach everybody. But Corey, you're the starting guard. You need to make sure that these things are in place. Regardless, your your rope is a little longer than Kev and the other those other guards. So that pass that you made when you, you know if it was three people on you didn't make I gotta you should know that right.
00:44:12:04 - 00:44:31:15
Unknown
Get over here. Like, what are you doing. Right. And it's hard for me to sit there and not make no movement. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I do that. It's. I'm not going to say. But look, look. So, so because rod is real quiet. So I got I got another question. He was just waiting to blow up.
00:44:31:15 - 00:44:48:17
Unknown
He's just waiting. Now I want I want him to go ahead and blow his top. No. Nepal's. Hey, he stood up. He's got up. Out of that. Come I know, like I like I get it. That's what I'm saying, I get it. I'm not quiet over there at all. I'm. Because that's another reason why I'm over there too.
00:44:48:18 - 00:45:08:05
Unknown
Yeah. And I don't I don't deny that. Yeah. That's why I'm moving them. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I. Man, I'm telling you, I don't know if you ever see me, but I coach everybody the same way. Yeah. Everybody. So if you didn't know that was my son. Yeah. You ain't going to, you know, based on what I'm saying or how I'm saying it to him, you just won't know.
00:45:08:06 - 00:45:16:23
Unknown
Yeah. Because you coach everybody the same. You just will not know, bro. Yeah. And, you know, being being on on a Panther Creek,
00:45:17:01 - 00:45:29:06
Unknown
I just I just feel like that's my position. I feel like people feel that way. So sometimes like I said like I don't don't matter, man. I know. And I gotta stop thinking that way because like I said, you don't get that.
00:45:29:06 - 00:45:46:16
Unknown
You don't get that chance back. You can't rewind the clock and they don't care. And if you don't, if you don't, if you don't do it, if you don't coach, they don't care. If you coach, they don't. They don't care to a degree. Right. What did they say right here. How many fingers they say look like four. Yeah.
00:45:46:18 - 00:45:52:15
Unknown
That's that's how long you got over there. Right. So once that's gone, how many you got left?
00:45:52:17 - 00:46:12:17
Unknown
You ain't got. That's cool. It's hard, man. Like like I've watched you. I watched you coach at like, the wall. I watched you coach. I think I saw, you know, I didn't see any, I didn't see I didn't get a chance to see y'all. Yeah, I don't think I could, actually, I did, you did, I did I did get in because I got the tall, light skinned kid when he caught the dunk.
00:46:12:20 - 00:46:33:09
Unknown
Did you talk about this year? This year? Yeah. Yeah yeah this year. Yeah even Deontay Deontay nailed that. Like I watched him just just to the position. And I'm not trying to compare myself to me I just you paying attention to it just paying attention like you know like their roles and what's allowed and what's not allowed. And I don't step on nobody toes.
00:46:33:14 - 00:46:50:20
Unknown
Right. The situation I'm in, I was kind of asked to be in. Right, right. Really didn't want to do it because I got him on travel ball, right? I'm like, this guy going to hit my mouth all year, you know what I'm saying? Because, like, I'm a counselor at Panther Creek High School, so I'm like, I don't know if I want to do it, but there's some things that I could bring to bring to the team like I do.
00:46:50:20 - 00:47:08:18
Unknown
I'm really, really good in defense. So that's pretty much why while I'm there, and also to coach my son, that's when I met you. Where you was on you was on the sideline. You was a parent at the time. Yeah. He was at trailers. Yeah. I was coaching my guys. Yeah. I went down there and I was showing them how to play a certain defense.
00:47:08:19 - 00:47:26:08
Unknown
Yes I did quick. Yeah. So look, I told rod before you came here, I said, you know how I met rod? I said, he came, he came to show how to do Cheryl defense. And I said, I'm looking at him like he's teaching it how I teach it. So he knew exactly what he was talking because some people don't know what they're talking about.
00:47:26:11 - 00:47:45:08
Unknown
So he knew exactly what he was talking about. Like, I could have did that right and right. Lofton didn't know that I knew, but I could have did that. But I'm looking like and I didn't say anything about that. I'm just looking like he knows exactly. I'm like, damn, bro. Like, I like this dude, right? Because, like, he didn't miss a beat.
00:47:45:10 - 00:48:02:12
Unknown
He told my help side, jumping to the ball how to turn people close out. You know, there's different philosophies, right? One coach might have you in the passing lane. One coach might want you back. One. Right. It depends on who you yeah circumstances or who you have. But he was teaching it and I'm like, yeah this is this is good.
00:48:02:13 - 00:48:26:03
Unknown
Now did they pick it up sometimes they did. You know it was hiccups. That's all about consistency. They lazy though. Yeah. And I didn't even know that was his son. Like yeah I just saw a dog now because he already did it. He was already. Yeah. Yeah. But so I'm here. So I'm like, oh you know. But he was, he was as I was down there, I was looking down there, I was like, that dude, a dog always has been too.
00:48:26:03 - 00:48:45:02
Unknown
But I didn't know who you were. And I didn't know that was your son until later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roland said, you know, that's his father. He played such and such, and that's how I knew. Yeah, that's that's that's one thing I messed up. No, I'm a man of my word, you know what I'm saying? Like, when it comes to trash, like, Corey loved that team, and it was me.
00:48:45:06 - 00:49:00:09
Unknown
You know what I'm saying? Of why we was removed from the team and me enrolling in school. We we pieced it out, we talked it out and stuff like that, but it was a lesson that needed to be learned, you know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta you gotta hold yourself accountable. And then you got to understand who it impacts.
00:49:00:13 - 00:49:15:08
Unknown
You know what I'm saying? So after a while, we figured that part out, man. But I was just like like, but that's that's how I knew you knew what you was talking about. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo, man, this this guy, he was running shell. I'm like, I teach it the same way. I'm a little bit more energetic.
00:49:15:08 - 00:49:33:05
Unknown
Like I'm yelling and screaming. I'm getting in the pain. I'm actually doing the drills with them. Well, let's be fair, right? Right. I was just showing them that wasn't my team. Now you. Them. I'm on that. You on that? Yeah, I'm on the same type time. Ain't nothing different. But I just wanted to show that that younger group, I seen him doing something like, yo, like sixth grade.
00:49:33:06 - 00:49:47:01
Unknown
Seventh grade. Yeah, they was mad. I was younger, they was younger. Yeah. So when I had, like, the bigger the high school boy. So I didn't want him. But I know, I know. Yeah. That was my group. You would have got him. They got. Yeah. I'm just trying to show you something. If you get it cool. Right. When I talk and we got, we got like eight minutes.
00:49:47:01 - 00:50:05:13
Unknown
So I ain't going I ain't going to monopolize it. But I told it. I taught Cheryl defense one time at the Grand Slam. And you know how there's parents that sit outside the gate. Yeah. Everybody came to the gate and was watching, like, how is this? What is he doing? I was but but but that's the only time I felt like I got through to the kids.
00:50:05:14 - 00:50:22:05
Unknown
Even with Team Tough right now, like, when I do it, they. These guys, these jokers. Wheelchair Knicks. Right? Like it's hard to get. I'm like, listen, man. Like, you know, you got to be repetitive when it comes to teenagers, right? They gotta hear it over and over and over and over and over again. But that group and they wasn't even that good in that time.
00:50:22:10 - 00:50:37:22
Unknown
But I got through to them and and everybody around, like people was taking my number down. They were like, man, I'm over here sweating. I even know who I was at the point at the time. But I just remember how it was taught to me. Right. Because Doc Sadler, that coach down Nebraska, he was a defensive coach. So that's where I get it from, right?
00:50:37:23 - 00:50:53:14
Unknown
That's where I got it from. Whatever. But he just told it at a high level to where, like, you couldn't you couldn't miss a beat. You couldn't miss a beat. But but yeah man. Yep, yep. But I might hold on. I got to because I know we got, we got we scrapped on time. But I want to throw this at.
00:50:53:16 - 00:51:16:08
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Especially. So check it out because rod we talked about this when Kobe made his first decision. I thought he was going to be there with my younger. And then he had the wall and went out there and showed his natural behind, which was a great thing. Yeah. And then had another opportunity kind of give some insight on.
00:51:16:10 - 00:51:51:08
Unknown
How that goes as far as, okay, we say we going to do this and then the kid does exactly what they supposed to do and that other door opens up. And expectedly, well, I wouldn't say unexpectedly, but especially but it wasn't the that wasn't on the horizon right then. I know what you're saying. And the sacrifices that come with and all y'all can try to that the sacrifices that come with I because I mean, I, I know what they take, but at this day and age, these kids still don't understand the sacrifices that you got to make as far as because, you know, I really do stuff as a teenager.
00:51:51:08 - 00:52:03:11
Unknown
I ain't really take a trip. I trip was, you know, the travel ball trips and stuff like that. That was a vacation. And, you know, going to the is and going that y'all hit on that. If we got time to do all that too.
00:52:03:12 - 00:52:05:19
Unknown
I'll say this real quick. I just make it short though.
00:52:05:20 - 00:52:31:12
Unknown
So for cold it's almost like he got recruited twice, if that makes sense. You know, the the way recruitment is going now, it's totally different. Yeah. So he got recruited by the hot majors. Yeah. And then once that ship happened it really hit the 26. It got quiet. Then the mid majors came and they wasn't sure. They were saying to me that they wasn't sure if they could get Kobe.
00:52:31:14 - 00:52:52:04
Unknown
So I'm like man yeah. Like we just it we open to whatever. We ain't looking down on nobody. So long story short, The Miz was coming. Coming. So we wanted to go ahead and get it over with. Right. And so Kobe felt like he he committed to quick. So when we went to the wall, he had a hell of a wall.
00:52:52:06 - 00:53:10:14
Unknown
It was amazing man. And we talked about that yesterday and something else. But he had a great wall. And then so the mid start I mean the high start calling again and texting again. So now we're thinking all right hold on. Let's, let's let's revert this thing and let's go rethink it. And we did that. And he was like that I just want to commit.
00:53:10:18 - 00:53:29:14
Unknown
If I if you know, if nothing happens then I just go back. But unfortunately they didn't they didn't like that. So anyway yeah. Yeah Charleston came through man. And they was they was a A1, A1. So that was, that was the I mean I could talk more about it. I just know we pressed for time. Yeah. Yeah. You know that's all good.
00:53:29:18 - 00:53:49:13
Unknown
So good. Yeah I met one of the coaches over there Jonathan Holmes. Oh, great. Dude. Yeah. He asked me. He did the recruiting. Yeah yeah yeah, dude. Yeah, they they they on an island. Not in rush. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Hey, Chuck. Chuck, Chuck. Also, Chuck the sacrifice. Nothing changed. The sacrifices are still the same.
00:53:49:13 - 00:54:06:04
Unknown
When we go on these, we go on these. Wherever we go on his vacation, they can change. We make the best out of it. For real. Like us and the parents. Yeah. We didn't have. I mean, I didn't go on vacations. I came when I say from the stick to Mississippi. Yeah, like literally 869 people in my hometown.
00:54:06:09 - 00:54:41:08
Unknown
So it wasn't no vacations. I showed my son the road I used to dribble up in the summer, the highways like I used to dribble up the road. I mean, and I showed him. So that's the sacrifice that I made so I could give him an easier life. Right. And we all do that for the kids. But at the same time, I got I got a balance trying to get him to understand that he all you got to do is like a face a couple of hours a week, bro, who sacrificed sacrifice when you were talking about get up like like you getting up, getting up early or whatever, man.
00:54:41:10 - 00:54:56:12
Unknown
I said, dude, before school, if you want to get up to two days a week, 5:00. I'll get you and I'll. I'll get up with you and take you to the school so you can get up. Won't do it. But what I where I got that from you saying he has to come to me, but you got to come to me.
00:54:56:14 - 00:55:11:14
Unknown
You love me, you got to come to me. So sacrifice. That's dope. Colby. Do that. I never had to wake him up. Yeah, I had to wake him up. I got to wake him up. There's times I had to wake him up. Man, I wish we had long ago, bro. I know, I know, that's the thing, though. I mean, he's he's
00:55:11:16 - 00:55:27:16
Unknown
So I'm gonna ask this last disclosing question. All right. What advice would you give parents who are thinking about, you know, coaching their kids, training their kids and just being there coastal out their college careers? Like what to what advice do you have for them as far as you know, when it comes to being recruited, all of that?
00:55:27:18 - 00:55:43:02
Unknown
Well, I just saying, if you're thinking about if you're not coaching them already, but if you're thinking about coaching, you can't care, okay. You can't care what other parents are saying or what nobody is saying, especially if you're doing it for the right reasons. Yeah, right. You can't just be about your kid now, right? You can't do that.
00:55:43:03 - 00:55:56:07
Unknown
Do it. That's really going to show. But you think you think that's not the country of you think you think that's going to always be the bias though, because you're the you're the parent. Yeah. Others are going to think that. Yeah. No matter what you do. Yeah. They're going to think that like I know I coach everybody the same.
00:55:56:08 - 00:56:12:09
Unknown
I don't care what they say, but it doesn't matter because you're still going to think what you think. And I can't control that. So I don't care. I'm not even trying to care I got you so you just can't care. You can't totally agree with that. I mean, I couldn't have said it better. You know, you got to be consistent with what you got to have as a coach.
00:56:12:10 - 00:56:30:19
Unknown
The first, if you're going to coach your kid, you first got to have some sort of structure within how you coach. And you can't deviate from that. Even if it is your kid. It's hard not to be biased. It's hard because you want to see your kid do well, right? But if your kid's not doing what, you got to be consistent because you lose the whole team and you're definitely going to lose the parents.
00:56:30:22 - 00:56:49:05
Unknown
You gotta. But like and like and like we got one minute, but like, like again, there's a situation to where as a coach, I'm saying like Corey is one of the best catch and shoot guards, right. Like if you give it to him out of ten shots, he's going to hit 6 or 7, right? He went, he had a bad shoot.
00:56:49:05 - 00:57:03:01
Unknown
You don't have a bad shooting date. That doesn't. You got to keep shooting. Yeah. Look Steph but ask anybody his coach one he's one of the best catches you. If you give it to him out of ten he's going to hit 6 or 7 of them threes. It was a game or maybe two games. He just didn't get it.
00:57:03:01 - 00:57:19:01
Unknown
And I'm like listen he's got to shoot the ball at least ten times. I'm saying that to him automatically. I think I might have lost two players because I said that. Yeah, you give what I'm saying. Two good players. Did the parents are you or did they care you? The kid ended up telling the parents what I said.
00:57:19:02 - 00:57:37:10
Unknown
That's what it was saying. They already had what they thought about you anyway. And that's why I'm saying like that didn't help. But I'm taking your advice. Like I got a sneeze, but I'm. I'm taking your advice for it. Just I can't care. You can't? Yeah, bro. You don't. We don't get to do it again. No you don't, you don't.
00:57:37:11 - 00:57:38:03
Unknown
Especially if you
00:57:38:03 - 00:57:40:15
Unknown
know you're not doing it. No feelings.
00:57:40:17 - 00:57:50:19
Unknown
If you know that you're not doing this intentionally. Like. Like it's just about my son. Bless you. It's about my son's. About my. No, no, no, no, I'm doing this for everybody. Yes, yes. It don't matter, bro. Yes.
00:57:50:19 - 00:58:00:11
Unknown
Because after they leave you and go to college, you know, we don't have no more control. It's over. So that's true. Yeah. So you just got them when they come home, work them out. Unless they sign me with them. No.
00:58:00:13 - 00:58:18:04
Unknown
Hey, listen, man, that's the end of the show, man. Rod, thank you for coming through. Preciate it. Thank you for having Mark. Yeah. Talk. Thank you. I'll catch us next time for the next episode. Appreciate y'all man. Hey. Part two. Come on man. Oh yeah. No. Definitely going to get more time next time man. It was the last minute thing.
00:58:18:05 - 00:58:26:10
Unknown
I'm glad it was flexible. But we're definitely going to put like a good hour and a half maybe probably two hours a week depending on what it is. Appreciate you. Chuck.
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Unknown
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