Ep. 119: Bear Spray Hot Wings

Join Travis and Tiffany Bader on the Silvercore Podcast as they take on the ultimate spicy wings challenge! In this special lighthearted episode, they dive into the famous hot sauce lineup from Hot Ones, testing their taste buds and endurance.
From numbing heat to fiery flavours, they share their experiences and reactions while answering intriguing questions. In true Silvercore Podcast style, the dial gets turned up to 11!

Don’t miss out on the last Silvercore Podcast episode of 2023 filled with laughter, heat, and some unexpected twists.

 

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It's that time of the year
again, Christmas is upon us.

New Year's just around the corner.

This is the very.

Last episode of the Silver Corp podcast
in 2023, and we thought we'd try and

do something a little lighthearted,
a little fun, a little frivolous.

I'm joined today by my wife Tiffany Bader.

You might remember her from such
podcasts as the Silver Corp Podcast,

episode 100, the Ask Me Anything
and Silver Corp Podcast, episode 40,

which is the The Woman's Fly Fishing
Group down here in the Lower mainland.

What are we doing today, TIFF?

Tiffany Bader: We are gonna melt our
faces off with some, uh, hot wings.

We've got the, uh, the lineup from
hot ones, one through 10, and,

uh, I can say that they are hot.

My fingers are burning from saucing them.

And I was coughing and hacking.

I can smell it from here.

Yeah.

When they were airborne, they're
like, I, I've really caked it on.

So we're going to be in some pain.

Travis Bader: So what I'm not, I see
you got Pepto the table as well too.

Is that fair?

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what to expect.

Okay.

I'm not very good with spice.

Travis Bader: So, well, I
can smell them from here.

I love hot wings.

I love chicken wings.

I should say, maybe not
necessarily hot wings.

I love chicken wings.

Um, melt my face off hot, not a fan
of, but I can tell you, these are

all going to be frozen cold, like
people will watch this, probably won't

realize that all the chicken is going
to be cold by the time we get to it.

Tiffany Bader: Yep.

Yep.

We cooked it this morning and brought it
over and saw some and got stuff together.

And it's now hour and a half later.

Travis Bader: So to make up for that, you,
uh, You extra sauced each and every one.

Yes, I did.

Yeah.

So what's your strategy?

Tiffany Bader: Uh, I'm pretty
good at turning off my brain,

which, you know, and, uh.

I too share that trait.

So that's excellent.

I can, I can push through
things that kind of suck.

So.

You say now.

I say now, but, uh, come da bomb
or I don't know, I don't know

how far I'm going to get before I
start complaining, but, uh, we have

eggnog, so that should help too.

Travis Bader: So we've got 10 different
sauces and Tiff brought some Pepto Bismol.

The bomb is number eight.

And by all accounts from the internet
research I've done, people say that's

supposed to be the hottest, even though
it's rated lower on the Scoville scale.

So I guess we'll find out.

So the drill here as well.

We've got a bowl in front of us with a
bunch of questions that have been put in

there and we'll work our way through it.

Do we eat first?

Do we, do we ask a question first?

How's this work?

I

Tiffany Bader: don't know.

It's your podcast.

I say we do it every, whatever you want.

Maybe on the show, they.

They, I think they ask the question while
they're eating it so you can like have to

go through the pain of eating a hot wing.

And then,

Travis Bader: yeah, well, my strategy
for this is going to be simple.

I'm going to do my best not to have
any water, not to have any eggnog.

I have found that if I have hot stuff
and I have a temporary relief from the

water or milk or whatever it might be,
it just comes back 10 times worse for me.

So I'm going to see if I can
make it through the whole thing.

Without anything, I'll say that now,
all brave before I even bite into

Tiffany Bader: number one.

Okay.

And I'll probably drink your eggnog.

Travis Bader: Do we have a

Tiffany Bader: question?

Yeah, sure.

Oh, I'll ask yours first.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: And what side do
I start on here, by the way?

I don't want to start on the number 10.

The left side.

Okay.

There we go.

Tiffany Bader: Okay.

First question.

How big is your inner circle?

Travis Bader: Not big.

Inner circle?

Intentionally?

Not big.

Oh, I guess I should eat my wing.

You're going to have to eat your wing.

There's a lot of people that I
love that are part of my life.

If we're going to talk absolute
inner circle, you know, in life

there's givers and there's takers.

Are you sure I started on number one?

Yep.

It's number one.

Okay.

There's givers.

There's takers.

There's matchers.

Not to be egotistical, but
I view myself as a giver.

One thing I've found and people have
pointed out to me is a goodwill.

People with goodwill will have
their goodwill taken advantage

of by those with ill will.

There's going to be lots
of takers in the world.

I do my very, very best to try
and surround myself with savages.

Other people who are going to want
to give, not just at the same level,

but try and outdo you on a regular
basis when I try and outdo them.

And I find that.

That drives me, and it helps that
inner circle just do that much better.

How about you?

What's your inner circle like?

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, I mean, you
put it a lot nicer than I would.

Um, I feel like I'm getting older, and
maybe crabbier, and less willing to,

uh, I don't know, you're young and you
want friends, and you put up with stuff

you're not maybe super happy with,
and you get older and you realize what

your tolerances are, and what makes
you happy, what doesn't make you happy,

and it's definitely getting smaller.

Um, you know, I feel like we've
been through some stuff and it's

taught us who our friends are.

And it really like tested
those, those bonds.

And I feel like coming through those
things is like, man, there's people I know

in our life that they would do anything
for us and we would do anything for them.

I don't care how many people
are in our, our inner circle.

As long as there's a few of
these people, I'm, I feel so

grateful and so happy for that.

That's a

Travis Bader: good question.

So that's number one, you sauced
the heck out of these guys.

I, I, I really did.

And I'm wondering, I'm wondering
what it's going to like.

So what number one here is what
they got a chart that says it

is 1, 600 Scoville heat units.

I did a bit of research.

I'm not too sure how well Scovilles are
representative of what the heat's going

to be like, because if they're calling the
bomb, one of the hottest ones, and there's

still ones that are rated a little higher.

But I'll tell you, you sauced a heck out
of that one and it's got a good flavor.

It's got some heat.

Tiffany Bader: It does.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: What do you think?

I'm just going to go out on a limb
while we're in our early stages here.

Yeah.

Do we want to go full sauce on each one
of these wings as we go through and just

add a little extra sauce from each one?

Tiffany Bader: I think, I think you're
being over, I've watched the show.

I've watched almost every episode of
the show, the online hot one show.

I think.

You're asking for trouble.

You're being the Eddie Huang going to
wing number 10 and eating them in reverse.

And then being like, Oh my God,
throwing up and can't do it.

I think it's a bad idea because I
say that because I have sauced, I've

sauced the hell out of these wings.

Travis Bader: Okay.

I like the, uh, the Mayor Rudolph.

Someone sent that one over
to us Saturday Night Live.

If anyone hasn't seen that one, watch it.

It's hilarious.

She does a, uh, a skit on a
whole hot one saying, okay, well,

let's get into wing number two.

Okay.

Tiffany Bader: I'm going
to ask you a question.

Travis Bader: Okay.

Now, I got the flats because I find
them easier to eat with a mustache and

I'll get it everywhere with the beard.

Wing number two is
Shakonda's 6, 200 Scoville.

So that's quite the step

Tiffany Bader: up.

Yeah.

It looks like it's got dill in it too.

Tastes okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Question.

You, you want to answer it first?

Travis Bader: Okay.

I'm going to eat the wing

Tiffany Bader: first.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Are there specific books that have,
have had a profound impact on your

perspective or outlook on life?

Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

Good.

Eat your wing.

Okay.

Tiffany Bader: Tastes like clam chowder.

Travis Bader: You tasted
dill in there, eh?

Yeah.

I feel like the first one was hotter.

Well, I've got a theory on this as well.

I did

Tiffany Bader: pour a lot on that

Travis Bader: first one.

Okay.

I've got a theory on this.

My theory is, and we're at the
Silvercore Christmas party last

night over at, uh, Franco's
restaurant Taverna Gorgona in Ladner.

Love that place.

Great restaurant.

I love the fact that I can walk home
from there because it's right by our

office and sorry, everybody else,
but, uh, makes for a fun time, but.

We were talking about the fact that
we're going to record this today.

And, uh, Ray was saying that he
had one of these sauces and he just

touched it to his tongue on a toothpick
and he was absolutely on fire.

So I'm wondering, here's a theory.

We'll see if we can test it out.

If you put a whole bunch of that
hot sauce on, will it numb you out?

Well, I make it so you can
just reach a level and it

doesn't, it's no longer spicy.

I do know I specifically scheduled my
tomorrow in such a way that I'd have no

hard and fast commitments that I have
to work through just in case there's

going to be a bit of revenge here.

Tiffany Bader: I'm taking tomorrow off.

Now, did you ask a question?

I did.

And, and, uh, I will pick it out on, yeah.

Are there specific books that
have had a profound impact on your

perspective or outlook on life?

So

Travis Bader: people who regularly
listen to the podcast would

probably pick up on the fact, uh,
you often quote Viktor Frankl.

He wrote a book called
Man's Search for Meaning.

I'd say that one was a powerful book.

I think anybody who's, uh, going
through difficult times or looking

for some meaning, it's worth a read.

It's not going to give you
all the answers, but he is the

father of modern logo therapy.

He approached concentration camps that
he was in from a analytical perspective

and looked at finding meaning in
life, even in the worst possible.

Circumstances so man searched
for meaning Viktor Frankl that

book I'd say helped a lot You

Tiffany Bader: so I I mean, you know me.

I I will read first and foremost I read
cookbooks like I will read cookbook after

cookbook I read novels And those tend
to stick with me a little bit better.

I mean, obviously, there's not a
lot of cookbooks that have really,

like, formed me as a human being.

Uh, I, I read the odd self help
book, but they never stick.

I, I find them interesting as
I read them, but they just, in

one ear and out the other, but.

Honestly, like, as a little kid
reading, uh, Little House on the

Prairie, um, man, it was like, I
thought it was the coolest thing.

I, like, I just, I love those books.

And What did you like about them?

I like that people worked.

I like that they Like it just seemed
simple, everybody, like it wasn't about

fights and if there were, there were
challenges in their life, like a bear

came into their homestead and they had
issues and they had to all work really

hard together, but everyone sort of
like cooperated and worked together.

And it just seemed like, I don't know,
it seemed like a cool, hard life.

Travis Bader: So was it that
book that had them going out and

pouring maple syrup in the snow?

Yep.

Okay.

So I'm glad you.

I'm glad you read that book because
that's definitely a fun tradition,

just boiling down some maple
syrup and pouring it in the snow.

That's kind of a fun
thing to do with the kids.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

I loved it.

I mean, I just, I don't know.

I, and then I went to
my grandparents house.

My grandparents house was so
much like that, that book.

Like they lived on a farm and we'd go pick
mushrooms and we'd go pick berries and go

fishing in the stream behind their house.

And it just felt like, it just.

I had grown up in the city and it, it
opened up my eyes to like, okay, I know

this was supposed to be a long time
ago and this is how people used to live

and homesteaders and all this stuff,
but like, I could take snippets of it.

And I found as I got older and got
to know myself a little bit better,

those little snippets of like going
for hikes and foraging and doing

all these things was like, it's, I
don't need to be the city person.

I can like, I can enjoy this stuff, even
though it might be kind of old fashioned.

So, yeah,

Travis Bader: I love it.

Okay.

Well, let's get onto the next wing.

What is that?

Number three?

Yeah.

1500, 1500 Skogul for
jumping from 6, 200 to 1500.

All right.

That one wasn't that hot, eh?

The last one.

Did you find

Tiffany Bader: that?

No, like it just tasted like clam chowder.

I mean, it was like spicy clam chowder.

All I could get was dill out of that one.

Okay.

They're so

Travis Bader: cold.

It's hard getting the bone off.

I'll just eat the bone.

Tiffany Bader: Uh, what is the most
significant lesson you've learned from

a failure or mistake in your life?

Travis Bader: So we're
assuming that I make mistakes.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, no, I know, but.

We've been together a long time, so.

Travis Bader: It is hard
getting them off these bones.

You

Tiffany Bader: want a drum?

Hmm?

This one's hotter for sure.

Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

I saw you put lip balm
on before we recorded.

Yeah.

That may have been a good idea.

Yeah.

I have to remember not to touch my face.

Mm hmm.

Not to rub my nose.

This one's got some heat.

Mm hmm.

Um, okay.

Yeah, feeling that one.

And that's only number three.

Are we gonna make it to number seven?

We have to, we will failure or
mistake, most significant lesson.

It's never too late to stop
regroup and find a more desirable

direction to move towards.

I'd say that's probably the
biggest thing that I've learned

from past failures or mistakes.

As well to reframe the failure and
mistake as something that's just

an important part of the process.

Cause if I'm not failing and if I'm not
making mistakes, I'm not pushing myself.

I'm just doing the same
thing day in day out.

Cause I know it's safe and
I'm, I'm not going to fail.

So I know when I was younger, very,
very pigheaded in my approach,

very, um, stubborn, let's say, and.

I would say I can figure this out.

I can work through it.

I can make it go because
I don't want to give up.

I don't want to fail.

And I think having that distinction
between giving up or running away

from something and maybe reframing
that as running towards or moving

towards something that's more positive.

So I think that's probably the biggest
lessons that I've learned is to enjoy the

failures, enjoy the mistakes, make them
often do so in a way that you're not.

Totally taken a step so far that you
can't get back up again afterwards.

Yeah.

That's probably it.

How about you?

Tiffany Bader: I think it's similar.

I mean, I grew up feeling like,
like I had a blessed life.

I don't know why, because when
I look back on it, I'm like,

there's a lot of crap going on.

It wasn't really truly blessed
living, but like, I always felt lucky.

Um, and then.

You know, you make mistakes, you do
things, but I always felt like I didn't

want to grow up, I didn't want to look
back on my life and have regrets, and

having that feeling of like, that's,
that's all easy when you're young,

and you're not making big choices and
big decisions, and, and then I got to

a point in my life where I did, like,
I got what I wanted, I got the job I

wanted, at the place I wanted to work
at, and like, I felt like it came too

easy, and when I got it, I realized
I didn't, I didn't want it anymore.

So I quit and I quit in a way that I
quit in a way that I'm not proud of.

I just kind of walked out and, um,
and I look back and, and out of my

life, that's, sorry, that's one thing
that I wish that I did differently.

And for a while, I, I, I said, I don't
regret it, but, and, and I kind of framed

it like that, but I really, if I'm being
honest, I wasn't proud of what I did.

So yeah, I mean, like.

Out of that, I learned, you know,
I didn't want that job, really.

Sure, you would have stayed there.

Yeah.

I didn't want it.

I, um, I thought I wanted something.

I thought I wanted a certain lifestyle.

I thought I wanted all
these things and I got it.

I realized I didn't, I hated it.

So to beat myself up over it,
like you said, like it's, you

know, you're not, I wasn't.

I wasn't running away from something.

I just was a little too scared to
admit it to myself at that time.

So it took me many years to
come to that realization, but.

Travis Bader: You know what I
like about how you're framing your

childhood, feeling like you lived a
blessed life and in hindsight, you

look back and like, maybe that wasn't
the right perspective, but I disagree.

I think that was absolutely
the right perspective.

And that goes back to that book.

Man starts for a meaning.

That's the one thing that you can
control, no matter what's going

on around you is your perspective
of what's happening to you.

I can be mad at it.

I can accept it.

I can get over it.

One thing you can't take from
me is the way I choose to

respond to what you do to me.

Last of life's great freedoms is one's
ability to choose their attitude in any

given circumstance over and over again.

You choose your attitude.

Was it a blessed life?

Hell yeah, it was.

And it still will be.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

I love that.

Okay.

Uh, my lips are

Tiffany Bader: tingling.

Yeah, mine are too.

I, I mean, I had some ChapStick
on when you were talking there,

so I don't know if everyone else
can see that I was reapplying.

Travis Bader: We'll have
to make sure we edit it in.

So we show each one of these little
tactics and tricks that you're using.

Yep.

So far, no water's been touched, no
eggnog's been touched and we're on to the

Tiffany Bader: next wing.

Is this a competition
between the two of us?

Or like just Everything's
a competition, Tiff.

Come on.

It truly is, isn't it?

Okay.

Travis Bader: This is what?

Um, number four.

Okay.

So we're jumping from 1500
Scovilles, sorry, 15, 000

Scovilles to 36, 000 Scovilles.

Do we eat first?

Okay.

I got some in a cut.

Oh, that's gonna feel awesome.

I was working in the shop yesterday
and I got a few cuts on the hands

here and I can, this is spicy.

I can feel it.

Tastes good.

I wish it was easier to get off the
bones and I didn't have to eat the bone.

Tiffany Bader: I might not
keep eating all of them.

Well, there's a lot of sauce on that one.

Mm hmm.

Travis Bader: Um.

But it's got a good flavor.

I like the

Tiffany Bader: flavor.

It's really good.

That's this one here?

Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

Los Calientes Verde.

I don't

Tiffany Bader: know what that is.

It looks like a hairless,
like, panther deer.

Do you have a question?

Yeah, I do.

Uh, how do you express
yourself creatively?

What were you gonna say?

Creatively through my, through
my expression of my language.

How do I

Travis Bader: assess myself creatively?

I am, I feel I'm a fairly creative person
who lacks talent in any specific area.

I'm not an artist.

I can't sing.

I don't play musical instruments well.

Um, but I do enjoy photography
and learning the creative

process and art through that.

I enjoy videography and video editing and
audio editing, like doing this podcast.

I enjoy that, uh, woodworking,
metalworking, things

working with my hands.

I enjoy to create that way.

I recently started, um, I've made
a couple of knives in the past

with no real idea what I'm doing,
starting the very slow process of

learning how to properly make knives.

So maybe in the future, we'll see
a few knives coming out that, uh,

that I've created that will be
an expression of my creativity.

How about you?

You have like.

Tiffany Bader: Like I know you.

You, well, yeah, I mean, I'm, my, my
interests are less varied than yours.

You have.

Like literally it feels like
every month you're like, Oh,

I'm going to learn this now.

I'm going to, I'm going
to do this new hobby.

Travis Bader: Life's too short
to not try and learn everything,

or at least try it out and see
if it takes and if you like it.

Yeah.

Tiffany Bader: I feel like I want
to like master stuff and I, I love

cooking and I feel like I could live
a million lifetimes and never get

to the point where I feel like I'm.

A master.

I, I, I mean, I, I look at these,
like, Japanese sushi chefs and, and

how they dedicate their lives to their
craft and I just think that's amazing.

Again.

Travis Bader: Well, that's a whole
Dunning Kruger thing too, right?

People on the outside would look
in and say, Hey, you've, you've

mastered at least certain levels
of cooking and types of cooking.

You're formally trained, you've worked
in bakeries, you've worked in fancy

restaurants, uh, French trained, a lot of.

You've quit fancy restaurants.

You've quit fancy restaurants too.

But you know, it's always perspective.

Yeah.

Are you a master?

No.

I don't know.

No, I'm not.

Not by my assertion.

I'm not a master in anything.

Other people looking at it might say,
man, that guy's got to figure it out.

That gal's got to figure it out.

Tiffany Bader: Something to work towards.

But yeah, if I want to
be artistic, it's through

Travis Bader: food.

But I think there's also a
process of celebrating wins.

Cause if we hold that mindset all
the time of like always learning,

always working forward, no matter what
plateaus we reach or what wins we get,

if we don't stop and celebrate them,
which I've, you and I have both been

bad for, what are we doing this for?

So that's, uh, not that I'm a New
Year's resolution type person,

but just resolution in general,
something that we work on is when we

have wins, stop and celebrate them.

Yeah.

Celebrate the wings.

Celebrate the wings.

All right.

What, what do we got next?

Tiffany Bader: Uh, uh,
Los Calientes, I think,

Travis Bader: isn't it?

Uh, no, uh, we're on number five.

One, two, three, four, five.

No.

Oh, I

Tiffany Bader: counted the
Pepto Bismol as a bottle.

Brooklyn Deli, I think, is ghost pepper.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

We're on five.

So somebody asked, will
there be ghost peppers?

That was on social media.

Yeah.

Apparently, this one's
got a ghost pepper in it.

Tiffany Bader: Mm hmm.

I think there's a few with
ghost peppers, actually.

We didn't get this year's hot ones
set, but the new one has like this

new pepper X or whatever they call
it that I don't think that one does.

This

Travis Bader: is what,
last dab, Apollo hot sauce.

Okay.

Pepper X, the merciless peppers of.

Oh yeah.

Quetzal, Zacatecinaga.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

And I drank it.

I drank a candle before this.

More please.

Travis Bader: Yes.

Hold on.

Do we eat first?

We ask first.

Tiffany Bader: I don't know.

Let's eat.

We want to eat first, Kat.

Everyone sits and watches us eat.

Travis Bader: I think so.

Mm hmm.

Now, if people are listening to this,
they're gonna miss out on the fact that

I already feel my face turning red.

Mm hmm.

I can feel it in the back of my throat.

I'm feeling like, remember on Dumb
and Dumber when Lloyd and Harry,

they're having the hot stuff?

They're like spraying ketchup.

It's not hot, just kind
of tickles a little bit.

Right now, I'm feeling the tickle.

Mm hmm.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, speaking of that,
um, maybe preemptively, in like half

an hour when we get to the end, what
do you think happens when you die?

Ha!

Travis Bader: Okay.

I've got no clue.

What happens when you die?

Um, you know, you could be like
Keanu Reeves, I think the people

who love you the most will miss you.

Which is true.

Um, I don't necessarily believe that
there's some ethereal mansion that

we will be ascending to upon death.

I like to think that that's
where we are right now.

And this is our opportunity to live
things in whatever way we want.

And if we can't enjoy it while
we're living now, I don't know,

maybe we get more chances.

Maybe there's reincarnation.

I'm not sure, but I do believe that there
is a, uh, a natural order to things.

And we, as people are connected.

In more ways than we're disconnected
with each other and our environment

where that's the trees, the animals,
your natural surroundings, without

sounding too hippie here about crystals
and energy, I have had conversations

on the podcast about it, and I think
there's a lot of value to that.

I think there's just a natural energy
and there's a natural order of things.

And when you die, that energy, which
is neither created nor destroyed.

Is just part of everything else.

So obviously no, this is
something that people have

quandered over, over existence.

I got no idea, but I do think that there
is an energy and that we're a part of it.

And when we, the dust returns onto
the earth as it was, and the soul

returns into God who gave it or
whomever that might be, that that's

essentially the, um, the culmination.

How about you?

Tiffany Bader: Well, I mean, you know
me, I'm not, I'm not a religious person.

I think I'd say I'm
spiritual, but not religious.

But it might be because I've been reading
a lot of no dig gardening books, but like

I'm kind of learning more about soils and
at the very base, like I think that You're

part of a system, you rot, you become
part of it, you're like, you're rotting

corpse is going to feed bacteria and
fungi and, and grow new plants and I think

there's something really cool about that.

You're just like, we're not
going to escape this, you know,

you're going to die, you're just
You're going to become nothing.

So it makes our time here
that much more important.

Travis Bader: Or become everything.

It's like a Dalai Lama ordering a pizza.

Make me one with everything.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, there you go.

So I mean, there's, there's that.

However, I still like, I
kind of want to hedge my bet.

So when I die, I don't want
to be like shot up into space.

I don't want to be cremated
and thrown in the ocean.

Like I kind of want all of my
rotting bits and pieces to still be.

Okay, so let's

Travis Bader: get this
straight, no cremation?

Tiffany Bader: No, I want to be

Travis Bader: cremated.

Okay.

Well, how does that go towards?

Tiffany Bader: Well, I just don't
want to be spread over a large

Travis Bader: area.

Got it.

I always figured one way, if there's
going to be a wake or funeral for

me, if I could, I'd like everyone
to enjoy me for one last time.

I lead a healthy lifestyle,
make some Trav burgers, I can

be spread over a large area.

Without being cremated.

Tiffany Bader: It's like,
it's, it was disgusting.

The first time you said
that, it's disgusting now.

Travis Bader: It's my dying wish.

I'm sorry.

It's not a problem for other people.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, no, I'm
not eating a Trap burger.

Travis Bader: All right.

What's the next one here?

Six, a torchbearer.

Mushroom mayhem.

So the last one was 39, 000.

This one's 68, 000 Scoville.

So it's a bit of a step up.

So I feel it.

I feel like I got some of the hot sauce on
my beard and it's just, it's on my cheeks.

My lips are tingling.

The cut on the finger.

I feel that one.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

I mean, my fingers are still
like, I have notoriously.

Thin skin, I think, and when I touch
peppers, normally I have to wear

gloves, and when I'm saucing the
wings, it's affecting my skin, so.

Looking forward to this one.

Hmm.

Travis Bader: Okay.

Taste that.

Feel the heat.

What's the flavor to you?

It just tastes hot.

That's kind of what I'm getting, too.

I'm not getting the mushroom.

Mm mm.

Tiffany Bader: I didn't chew
it very well, hoping to just

kind of get it down quickly.

And it just, like, dragged
the heat down my throat.

Travis Bader: Is that the trick?

Just swallow it.

You'll be seeing coyotes,
talking coyotes pretty soon.

Pretty much.

What's your question?

Should I pick one?

Yeah, sure.

I'm going to pick one.

I got crap all over my hands here.

There's napkins there.

Oh, this is the perfect one.

Who's your favorite podcaster right now?

Well, obviously,

Tiffany Bader: obviously it's Joe Rogan.

Um, I may be biased, obviously.

I have to, I shouldn't say have to,
as part of my, as part of my duties

here at Silvercore, I listen to all
the podcasts, help get them, uh, up

on the website and all this stuff.

And so I get to, I get to
listen and I really do enjoy it.

It's, uh, it's on one side, it's
cool to see you do this thing that

like brings you so much joy and.

Happiness in your life.

So it's different than listening
to someone else do a podcast.

Um, so yes, a hundred percent bias,
but it's, I love watching you do this.

Aside from you.

Yes.

Aside from you.

Um, I like Simon Sinek.

Super positive.

I know I can go out.

I'm not going to hear people.

Stories about people getting murdered or
people fighting or anything like that.

He's just like, positive
people, positive stories.

Yeah, I like it.

So

Travis Bader: I'm a snack.

His is what?

A little bit of optimism.

Mm

Tiffany Bader: hmm.

He's got a couple, but yeah.

The little bit of optimism is what I

Travis Bader: like.

So for me.

I don't typically listen to podcasts.

And in fact, when I started this podcast,
I'd been on one as a guest, and I think

it's that podcast for a long time.

It was the number one episode they had.

It's number two, I think right now.

Um, and we watched one, right?

You took up me tickets.

Oh yeah.

Meat eater one to the meat eater Live one.

And that time I'm like, what's meat eater?

What is this?

Like?

I wasn't watching TV and
it's not something I, I spent

a lot of time looking at.

Not on social media a whole ton,
like number one, who is this

guy that I'm going to go watch?

And number two, why would I
want to go watch some podcasts?

Right.

And this is a Christmas present.

And so I'm sitting here thinking
like, how's a nice way to say this?

Like, this is a terrible
Christmas present.

Yeah, no, pretty much.

But we went down, we
traveled into Seattle.

We saw him, got to meet with Steve and.

Jan, Janice, Janice and actually
that's where we met April too,

met April for the first time.

I had no idea that she was going
to be on the stage and talking.

I just thought she was some
cool person in the crowd that

grew up in Surrey like I did.

You

Tiffany Bader: guys
will always have Surrey.

Travis Bader: Always have Surrey.

Um, so yeah, generally
didn't listen to podcasts.

Work is what a 10 minute walk from house.

This studio is a 10 minute
drive from our house.

If I'm going to listen, it's going to
be when I'm going out hunting, when

I'm going out on a road trip somewhere.

But when I do that, um, diary of
a CEO, I'll listen to that one.

Steven Bartlett.

Uh, I like the fact, you know,
he's honest about things.

He's got interesting people on there.

Um, yeah, I think he's
got some good episodes.

And, um.

You know, John Sinai, oh,
feeling the heat there.

I will, uh, I'll listen
to his podcast as well.

The expansive, he's a past podcast guest.

And I listened to these ones cause
both of them are very positive

and they're always, I love the way
that John can look at things that

could be difficulty, difficult.

Problematic and just find a positive
spin or a different way of looking at it.

Maybe you haven't thought
of, and I enjoy that.

And that's what I try and do
with the Silvercore podcast.

Ooh, it's hard with the, uh, the
wings to hold a conversation,

but, uh, I try to bring positivity
with every single episode we do.

We've had a lot of opportunity to talk
about things that are going to get a lot

of clicks and get a lot of views, but I
haven't been able to square myself with

finding a way that we can talk about it
with some sort of positive resolution.

And if I'm not bringing in something
that's going to be helpful into

people's lives, it's just more
complaining of the same, I, I just

don't want to be a part of it.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

I mean, it kind of reminds me of,
um, saw some clip with Jordan.

I think Jordan Peterson was on, he was
on Stephen Bartlett's podcast and he

was talking about, uh, relationships
and, um, if, if, you know, your, if

your wife's complaining about something
and she comes there and she's like,

got all the, her list of grievances,
if there's no solution or what do

you want me to do about it or no.

You know, way I'd rather see things
than what's the point, right?

So I think with, with the podcast,
what's the point in bitching?

What's the point in having people
on airing their grievances unless

there's some sort of light at
the end of the tunnel or, or

resolution or solution or something.

That's

Travis Bader: always been my take.

It doesn't get the same
hits that having something

inflammatory or provocative with.

I think sometimes

Tiffany Bader: people want to bitch.

It feels good sometimes
to bitch too, right?

Sure.

Travis Bader: Okay.

So I'm feeling kind of brave right
now, like my mouth is on fire.

Tiffany Bader: This is where
it goes downhill though.

Everyone's like, ah, it's not so bad.

And then they, then they get to the last
three or four and then they start crying.

Travis Bader: So this
was called angry goat.

The next one in here, dreams
of Calypso make their shack

face 101, 000 school bills.

Angry goat.

I am a simple goat, live on
the back of a pickup truck.

Okay, I can feel that in the cat.

Tiffany Bader: Glad I
bought organic wings.

Hmm?

I'm glad I bought organic wings.

Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

Usually when it's hot,
it comes off the bone.

If I'm doing this, I'm not
gonna do it half arsed.

Yeah.

I'm gonna eat the things.

It's not coming off the bone,
so I'll just eat the bone.

It's,

Tiffany Bader: that's toasty.

Mm hmm.

Travis Bader: Oh, that's a good question.

What flavor are you getting?

Okay.

I'm going to see how this hits.

Yep.

And then I'm going to
make a proposal to you.

Oh my God.

The bomb from the internet research,
even though it's a couple down from the

end, it's supposed to be the hottest.

Yep.

Let's extra sauce the last three.

You up for that?

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, sure.

It's all going to

Travis Bader: go downhill.

We'll see.

We'll see.

Tiffany Bader: I do have
to work this weekend.

So, yeah.

Um, okay.

Yeah.

There's no, I'm not getting any
flavor except hot from that wing.

I like it when you can
actually taste something.

Travis Bader: The side of my mouth.

Yeah.

On my cheek, just probably
because I wiped it.

It's just fire.

Yeah.

All up the side.

Do you want a

Tiffany Bader: chapstick?

No.

Okay.

If you were going to live on a desert
island, but it could take only one

thing with you, what would it be?

Travis Bader: That's an easy one.

Yep.

That one thing would be a person.

Who would that person be?

Better

Tiffany Bader: be me or the kids.

Travis Bader: Thousand percent.

If I could only one thing,
I'd bring you, I'd bring you.

Why?

Because time and time again, it's proven
that there's a lot of things that I'm

really good at, but the areas where I'm
deficient, you're a perfect teammate.

Got you.

And likewise, areas
where you're deficient.

Hey, I excel.

Tiffany Bader: Did you just
answer my question for me?

Yeah, I did basically.

So I have to choose.

Yeah.

I thought it was a given.

Come on.

You're the tall one that can reach stuff
on the top shelf, can get smack the

coconuts out of the, uh, out of the tree.

Yeah.

No, you're a, I, I, I think
that's, I, I like that answer.

Um, yeah, no, I mean, like even when we
go hunting and stuff, we've, we've kind

of like fallen into our roles a bit and.

But we will put you push each other
in and out like when I when you

first heard take me out hunting I
definitely was like kind of along for

the ride there to help support I do
the spotting and things like that.

But in that role of spotting it was It
was a perfect way to learn how to hunt

because then I, I, all the pressure
was on me so I could, I could like

look down, I could look at, practice,
uh, identifying between the different

deer, identifying all these things.

The different

Travis Bader: vegetation that they
might be eating and I remember, um.

You know, like, oh, there's spruce tips.

When, when the spruce tips stop, our
elevation is going to be too high.

I'm like, that's a good
indicator for elevation.

If we're looking for things, the
critters are going to be down

where there's new vegetation.

Spruce tips are a good
indicator of fresh growth.

Like these are things that
I never looked at before.

I think there's a, uh, the perfect
sort of complimentary thing there.

But, you know, those questions,
what's the one thing you'd bring?

I don't know.

You're in a desert Island.

Do you want to leave the Island?

I mean, maybe it's a great desert Island.

You want to spend the rest
of your life there on, right?

Yeah.

Um, That might change a physical object.

If I want to leave, well, maybe just
an in reach or a satin, that way I

can just put a, uh, put something out
and bide my time till something comes.

Having those communications
would be, would be vital.

So if I'm going to go and have it as
nebulous as that, you, a thousand percent.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

I like, I'm not the
greatest at building fire.

And I think, I don't, I don't
blame you for that, but I will

say your strength in that skill
allows me to focus on other things.

So, like, I, I just, I, I don't want
to, I don't want to build it up too

high, but like, dear God, like, you
have bags and bags of birch bark.

Because, you're like, we'll be driving
on the highway and you pull over, oh,

I gotta get some birch bark, and you're
scaling trees and grabbing it off some

dead snags and stuff, and, yeah, I
think, We just kind of like, we have

like this comfort of knowing, knowing
what we're good at, but I think as well,

like, you're, you're good at pushing me.

Uh, you're really, like, you're,
you're good at pushing yourself, but

you're good at pushing me to be like,
okay, no, I want you to do this now.

Travis Bader: You know, it's funny
you talk about falling into roles.

I think that's something that,
for a long time, society, in

general, was shying away from.

Oh, you can't define me.

I don't, I shouldn't be in this role.

A man's place is here,
a woman's place is here.

And I think people are starting to
realize that it's not that one's

better than the other, or one
position is better than the other.

It's the fact that naturally certain
people will gravitate towards

certain things that they enjoy to do.

Why should we shy away from that?

Just because everyone else says,
well, I shouldn't be cooking.

You're a fantastic chef.

And I love to cook, but I know if I want
to have the absolute best meal, having you

in the kitchen is going to be a hell of a
lot better than having me in the kitchen.

Tiffany Bader: Wow.

I don't know.

I think I may have Um, I may
be holding you back as well

from developing your, your.

I'm

Travis Bader: secretly,
secretly developing on the side.

Oh, okay.

Good.

Tiffany Bader: Well, that's good.

Yeah.

As long as it's secret.

Travis Bader: Yeah, no, I, I think
that the, the idea of, uh, these

different gender roles, oh, man's out
there making fire, a woman's out there

cooking, well, I enjoy making fires and
I practice, you enjoy the cooking and.

It's not a one person,
keep the other person down.

We're essentially in the military,
they'd call force multipliers

and you're my force multiplier.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

And you know, it's funny when I
was, when I was working in kitchens

and working long shifts and like,
that was, my career was everything.

Like I, I never thought
that I would quit that.

And then we had kids and I'm like,
no, like it's a switch flicked in me.

I like, nope, there's.

I don't care about my job anymore.

I want to, I want to raise these kids.

I want to have a home.

I want to do these things.

And I remember I got so much flack.

And I remember my sister saying,
What the hell is your problem?

Like, Why did you spend
so many years in school?

Why did you work so hard on your
career just to throw it all away?

And I just thought, I'm
not throwing anything away.

Like, it would, I've made decisions
in my life that I'm proud of, it's

taken me to a place that I'm proud
of, why would I go away from it

because I'm afraid that I'm, you know,
working some typical female role?

Like, why, why should
I be ashamed of that?

And I, I know people talk about it now,
but like, people weren't talking about

it like 15, 20 years ago, they weren't.

Like, I, I, so much, so much flack
from friends and family about it.

So what do you do all day?

I'm like, I spend time with my kids.

Like I do awesome things.

We go on adventures and I'm supporting
my, my husband in his business and he's,

he's able to like take risks and do
things because we're part of a unit and

a team because he knows that we support
each other and I just, I don't know.

Do you

Travis Bader: remember after
our second child was born?

And you decided to make that step full
time out of the kitchen and you're working

on the house and going through that
period of listening to all the people

talking to you, like, what are you doing?

Why are you doing that?

And you're throwing it all away and out
kind of sitting in the back of your head.

And do you remember what I did
to, um, help boost your morale?

Tiffany Bader: Oh, the
mountaineering trip?

Yeah, I know that.

I think I blew out the speaker there.

Uh, Yeah, I was like, I was really
struggling because I, I had spent

my whole life like I'm going to live
in a city, I'm going to do this, I'm

going to have a career, I'm going to
like, this is, I'm the breadwinner

of our, like, we, we figured that you
were like the guy that was going to go

surfing and hang out and have fun and
the stay at home dad and like, And,

yeah, I was like, my whole life kind
of flipped and I was, I was struggling.

Like I really was like,
I lost myself for a bit.

I didn't know what I wanted,
or I knew what I wanted, but I

didn't trust myself to like just
kind of push through and do it.

And yeah, one Christmas, we talk about
crappy Christmas presents, um, you

got me a trip away in the mountains.

I was like, I don't want
to go in the mountains.

I don't want to do this.

And like.

I still remember, I still remember packing
up my stuff, getting in my vehicle, and

driving away while you and the kids were
sitting on the front step waving at me,

and I was like, I don't know if I started
crying as I was driving away, or it took

like, A bit, but I get up to Jasper,
I'd driven all day and I hardly slept, I

slept in my vehicle unfortunately right
next to train tracks, I didn't realize

it when I parked and then got up to the
camp and where I was meeting everybody

and like, I was just freaking out.

I called you and I'm like,
I don't want to do this.

I don't want to be away for a week and
you're like, no, it's good for you.

You should do it.

You should do it.

And I did, and it sucked
for like the first

Travis Bader: day.

I didn't say you should do it.

You should do it.

I think what I said was you can
come home if you want, but will

you look back at this fondly?

How do you want to remember
yourself afterwards?

I said, I think you will
get a lot out of this trip.

It was a woman's trip up in the mountains.

You'd never done mountaineering before,
and you were going to be going up,

uh, on glaciers and rock climbing and.

Crampons and carrying all your kit up
into a remote Alpine location and spending

a week out there with a group of people
you've never met before doing some

extremely difficult, arduous things and
arguably, um, in a dangerous environment.

Tiffany Bader: Oh, I did.

Like that, that first day, I
don't know what I was thinking.

I like, I carried the ropes and
I, so my pack was, it was, I know

when I left, it was almost 50
pounds with just my stuff and then

carrying the ropes and everything.

It was a heavy pack going uphill.

I didn't break in my boots properly.

So anyone that takes a core
course, I didn't break in my boots.

So my feet were just
like a hot mess all week.

But after that first day, I'm like.

Everything was easier and everything
was fun and it was cool, like totally

different experiences and pushing myself
and challenging myself, climbed to

the very top of a mountain and almost
fell off the side of the mountain and

had to do like a, what do you call it?

Arrest with a pickaxe?

Self arrest.

Self arrest with a pickaxe.

And, and in retrospect, that was
actually like, It was probably a

heck of a lot more sketchy than,
than I thought it was at the time.

I was just like, yeah, like I did
that in practice and I got to do

a self arrest and stop myself from
going off the edge of a cliff.

And,

Travis Bader: um.

What were the others like?

Because usually that's how I gauge
is by other people's reactions, like,

okay, well, maybe that was a little bit

Tiffany Bader: sketchy.

So that's how I know it was sketchy.

It was because the guide was like.

She looked like she literally destroyed
her pants, like, she, she was pretty

unflappable, but she was scared,
and for the rest of that day, she

was, she was right, right behind me.

Um, yeah, no, it was, it was awesome.

It was, it was such a great trip,
and it really was the thing that,

like, flicked that switch off.

And I was able to just
kind of move on and do my

Travis Bader: thing.

Yeah.

And because I knew there was no way that
I could push you in my role as a husband,

without some sort of resentment, right.

But I can give you this beautiful gift
where other people can push and provide

you with the opportunity to do things
that are so outside of your comfort zone.

And I'm glad you did it.

I think that was, I
think that was the right

Tiffany Bader: move.

Yeah, no, I, it was, it
was an epic, awesome trip.

I loved it.

I loved it so much.

Travis Bader: Well, should
we try another wing here?

Yeah.

So we're on Dabam now.

Dabam evolution hot sauce.

Hey, is that water you're drinking?

Okay.

So do we sauce our own or
do we sauce each other's?

I say we sauce

Tiffany Bader: each other's.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I honestly, I put so much on mine.

It is really, really caked.

I'm, Jesus Christ.

Travis Bader: Just a bit, just
a little dab will do you, right?

There you go.

Here, I'll sauce it for you.

Tiffany Bader: No, it's okay.

Travis Bader: I don't know if the
cameras can actually pick it up.

Uh, let's see, your head's in the way.

There it is.

Did you put any on?

Yes, I did.

Okay.

Look, there's a bunch.

Okay, here we go.

Do we ask the question

Tiffany Bader: first?

Yeah, because I don't know if I'm gonna.

Okay, let's do

Travis Bader: it.

You ask, I'm gonna eat.

Tiffany Bader: What is the most
inspiring or life changing piece

of advice you've ever received?

Travis Bader: This is hot as hell.

Tiffany Bader: Oh my god.

Travis Bader: What flavor do you feel?

I just feel heat.

It's spicy.

Tiffany Bader: Is this really spicy?

I'm just trying to get
it down before I can't.

Travis Bader: Okay.

Oh my god.

Did you bring the bucket?

Mm mm.

Okay, I'm telling you right
now, that's got some heat.

Mm hmm.

Remember, uh, Jameel's mom, cooking
up the, um, African food, spicy stuff

and the endorphins that it releases.

Yep.

I can feel, I can feel that coming.

Okay.

So my eyes are watering for
those who aren't watching it.

My face is probably the same
color as, I don't know, same

color as a hot sauce right now.

I don't remember what the question

Tiffany Bader: was.

That's why I didn't, I crushed
it, but didn't move it.

What is the most inspiring
or life changing piece of

advice you've ever received?

Travis Bader: I've later learned
that Theodore Roosevelt said

something really similar to this.

I don't know if the individual knew
that, but essentially nothing in

life worthwhile ever comes easy.

And now my eyes are watering
and my, oh, you can feel it all

the way down into your stomach.

So

Tiffany Bader: you should
have eaten a candle.

Travis Bader: I should
have eaten a candle.

It would be that nothing
worthwhile in life ever comes easy.

And when things are getting tough,

Tiffany Bader: that gulp was like audible.

Travis Bader: I have the resolve.

To know this is a beneficial thing.

This is positive.

It's tough.

And I'm going to keep pushing through
because there's going to be something

so worthwhile at the end of this.

The eggnog helps.

I am not touching anything to the end.

Does it help?

Or is it worse now?

Tiffany Bader: It's not worse.

For like five seconds, it goes away.

Uh, maybe it does make it worse.

That's

Travis Bader: spicy.

Okay.

There we go.

That's da bomb.

If that's supposed to be the hottest.

Tiffany Bader: I think it just,
honestly, I think what it does is it

just like, it's like scorched earth.

Travis Bader: Okay.

I think.

Okay.

You answer the question.

Tiffany Bader: Best piece of advice?

Yeah.

Um,

you know what?

My, my sister, who has been the, uh,
the giver of terrible advice for years,

actually gave me a really good piece of
advice when I was in my early twenties.

She's like, don't live with regrets.

You're, I think I was 20 or 21.

She's like, don't live with regrets.

You're living probably the best years
of your life, which that was, that

wasn't true, but she's like, just
live, she didn't say balls out, but you

know, basically like live every day.

Like it's the last, um, and that's kind
of stuck with me for like most of my life.

Um, I don't know.

I think she was maybe not in
the best place in her life and

she wanted me to like appreciate
my early twenties, which I did.

And it's just kind of, I
haven't gotten out of that.

And I'm like, now I'm in my, yeah.

In my super, super late thirties.

And I just like into my forties,
but I just, yeah, live every day.

Like it's your last.

Cause you never

Travis Bader: know.

So it wasn't the advice that I gave you.

No, I mean, like, do you, do you
remember that advice when, uh,

we're having our first child?

And there is so much pain.

And do you remember the advice
advice I gave you, which everyone

says, what the hell Travis?

Why would you say that?

But at the time you said it helped.

Tiffany Bader: Oh, pretend that I'm my

Travis Bader: grandma.

It was two things.

It was, um, how, how would your
grandma deal with something like this?

Because he held her in very high regard
and she's done a lot of great things and.

It's one day of your life.

How do you want to look
back and remember it?

Tiffany Bader: Yes, that was
like very, it is hard to speak

when you can't feel your tongue.

I'm just going to say that now,
but yeah, honestly telling me

to live like my grandma, it was.

It took the birth of our first
child, which was, they'll just

say, not an enjoyable experience.

Travis Bader: Tell me about

Tiffany Bader: it.

Yeah, I was able to use it for our second.

And it was completely different.

It was like night and day.

Um, I do channel my, I do channel
my grandmother as much as I can.

Cause like, like you said, I
don't look up to famous people,

um, cause I don't know them.

I don't pretend to think that I know them.

I hold my grandmother in about the
highest regard and my grandfather.

Um, about as highly as
you can regard anyone.

So yeah, there's lots of times where
I'm like, what would my grandma think?

Would I act like this in front of her?

Um, yeah, that's another one.

Travis Bader: Well, why don't
we, uh, cap up the bomb?

Cause I think the fumes from it alone
are, um, causing my eyes to water.

It's hot.

We have two more to go and we.

You're still

Tiffany Bader: feeling like you
want to keep dabbing all of these?

Travis Bader: We said it, we do it.

Yep.

Okay.

Whoa.

Here you go.

Tiffany Bader: You see
the chilies in this one?

I never noticed that.

I did shake it up.

Travis Bader: Move it away from the other
ones so you don't cross contaminate.

You don't want to water down the next one.

Come on, do a proper pour.

All right.

That was a really,

Tiffany Bader: oh man.

Travis Bader: Okay.

What do we have?

This is second from the end.

638, 000 Scoville.

Tiffany Bader: I'm going to try to
sniffle away from the microphone.

I think we asked the question first.

Okay.

Are you superstitious?

Travis Bader: I wouldn't
say I'm superstitious.

I'd say I'm kind of stitious,
but not superstitious.

That joke just

Tiffany Bader: never

Travis Bader: gets old.

Okay, finger burning.

I'm just going to eat this.

I'm going to answer,

Tiffany Bader: okay?

I just,

Travis Bader: I Alright, all the meat off?

Yeah.

Alright.

My grandpa would be proud.

Alright.

I guess it depends on how
you define superstitious.

Mm hmm.

And I'm still chewing on this
because there's a lot of heat.

Mm hmm.

Taco vibes only, huh?

Tiffany Bader: I think the,
the bomb was hotter though.

Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

This has a flavor.

I think the bomb, I think
it's my theory from before.

Where you just wipe out your sensors and
everything afterwards is Eh, whatever.

Yeah.

It's like I got a third degree
burn, don't feel anything now.

Tiffany Bader: So.

My nerves

Travis Bader: are gone.

It's, I'm sweating more though,
whereas I'm not feeling the

heat in my mouth the same.

I'm sweating off of this one.

Um, no, I'm not superstitious, but
it depends on how you define it.

Like there will be times when things
will happen and I'll say, I've got

a gut feeling and I'm not doing it.

I know, uh, Jamie Flynn from a
podcast, he did, he's a base jumper

and horrific injuries off of a,
excuse me, off a jump he did.

Um, He says, I got the rule of three.

He says, there's three things.

My alarm doesn't wake me up on
time or somebody cuts me off in

traffic or I get this weird feeling.

I counted up, if there's
three, I don't jump.

Is that superstitious?

Maybe, or maybe it's being in tune to
your natural environment, not being

able to, uh, quantify it, rationalize
it and say, I feel this way because,

because I think we get those feelings
much faster than we're able to actually

qualify why we have those feelings.

So I've really learned to trust my gut.

And if my gut says, not feeling it because
there's been so many occasions that I've.

Just not trusted the gut, I found
myself in a world of hurt where

it could have easily been avoided,
luckily get out, survive, I'm alive.

Everything's good.

But that's been a, uh,
the learning process.

I wouldn't call it superstitious.

I call it trusting my gut.

Okay.

Tiffany Bader: Um, I used to be like
to the point where like every night

before bed, I, I'd like knock on wood.

And if there wasn't something
wood, I'd knock on my head.

Travis Bader: That's OCD.

That's not superstitious.

Okay.

So

Tiffany Bader: maybe maybe I'm a
little superstitious or maybe I'm

OCD that, uh, yeah, I, I mean,
OCD to like put on one sock.

Like your left sock before your
right sock before a soccer game

and like eat the same lunch.

Is that, that's

Travis Bader: OCD?

Why don't we ask the audience?

Is that OCD?

Yeah.

Hold on.

I can hear him.

I can hear him.

Yes, Tiffany.

That's OCD.

Okay.

Tiffany Bader: So superstitious.

No.

And like with you, oh, my
nose is starting to run now.

Um, yeah.

Yeah, I just, I, I trust my gut
because like you said, like there's,

like you, you walk past and like,
you know, there's signs and there's

signs and you just ignore them.

I think we're just, we trust
ourselves a little bit better.

We trust our gut a little bit better.

I trust you as well, which is good
because, dear God, when we were

first dating and you'd be like,
yeah, no, I don't like that guy.

He's going to cheat on his wife.

I was like, you're crazy.

And then, And every single
time that happens, you're

like, oh, this person, this.

And you're not judgmental,
but you're very good at, at.

It's an ADHD trait.

Yeah.

You're good at sizing people up.

Dinner party go and you
would just size people up.

And it's always true.

You have, you have a very good radar for
people that are going to cheat on their

spouse because that's happened to me.

We've seen that a few times.

It's a sad, sad, you know.

Sad of skill, but it's when you have.

Travis Bader: Well, I think it's just
about seeing if somebody is going to

be honest or trustworthy and, you know,
you can only get, uh, taken advantage

of or lied to or whatever so many
times before you start seeing patterns

that reoccur and they say it's an ADHD
thing, being able to pick up on these

little traits, whether it's verbal,
non verbal, paraverbal, whatever it

might be that you're picking up on.

Yeah.

I stopped trying to
rationalize and suss it out.

Part of me wonders sometimes if it just
becomes a self fulfilling prophecy,

because if we're living in a matrix
and we're creating our own realities

and I'm like, this is going to happen
here and that's going to happen here,

like scarily so that happens, am I?

Are we just so in tune with what's
going on around us that we can

make those presuppositions, or
are we somehow putting that energy

out there and making it happen?

I don't know, but whatever the
end result is, it turns out

basically how, how it's getting
called, so I'll just stick with it.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, I, I I don't know.

I think in a couple of cases where
you've like called things, you're

not living a life so connected with
these people or situations where

like you're actively like making it
happen, they're pretty disconnected.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think you're just.

Travis Bader: Unless we subscribe to the,
we are all connected at the cosmic level.

Tiffany Bader: Well, which
I totally agree with.

Travis Bader: Okay.

So do we want, do

Tiffany Bader: we want to do one more
question in between the next one?

Travis Bader: Before, how
many questions we got left?

I don't know.

Tiffany Bader: Yeah, let's do it.

Um, just give our, our mouth
a little bit of a break.

Yeah.

Okay.

Travis Bader: And for the
record, I have had no water.

I've had no eggnog.

My belly is on fire.

Tiffany Bader: Do you want me to tell
everyone what I've, I've been putting

ChapStick on after I've been weighing.

I drank a bunch of water
and I've also had eggnog.

Travis Bader: A little bit of my
water, because I think your water

is actually empty now, isn't it?

No, no, no,

Tiffany Bader: I don't actually
want water anymore because

it's going to make it worse.

Travis Bader: It does make
it worse and I'm just looking

forward to watching the show.

Tiffany Bader: Once, once the
heat subsides of it, the eggnog

actually does make it better.

What's the next question?

Um, have you ever seen a ghost?

Um, I ask because I've slept in
the basement of your family home

when I was a teenager and it's
definitely got a ghosty vibe to it.

It's like, if there ever was a
house that was haunted, I think,

I think that one's on the list.

Have you

Travis Bader: ever seen a ghost?

Well, there's a couple of things
that happened that I can't explain.

And I'll, I'll back you a
thousand percent on that.

That house was haunted.

There is something going on.

There is some bad energy going
enough, enough bad energy that

people would come in who didn't
even know us would say it feels off.

There's something not right here.

Uh, man, I was terrified of my downstairs
when I was a kid, probably a common thing.

Cause I've seen these Tik Toks where
people are running up the stairs

and there's someone dressed all
in black running up behind them.

Turning the lights off and, you know,
there's times when lights to turn back on.

It's not a supernatural event.

It maybe just didn't turn it off properly.

It got stuck halfway.

Um.

I remember as a young child waking up
in the middle of the night and at the

foot of my bed on the left hand side,
on the, just right near the end of the

left hand side, I wake up and I look, I'm
like, Oh, what's my mom doing in here?

Right.

I started calling out to her, like,
well, what are you doing here?

And this really old haggard
woman looks back at me and says,

back to sleep, go back to sleep.

And it scared the crap out of me.

And I hid under my blankets.

I'm like, just go away.

Just go away.

Just go away.

Just go away.

And I asked my mom about it in the morning
and she says, no, I wasn't in your room.

So was I dreaming that?

Probably right.

It was a hyper realistic dream.

I've Googled it and they have a thing
about the old hag at the end of the

bed, but it's usually to do with, uh,
or old hag kneeling on your chest.

Funny that it's always an old hag,
um, to do with like, uh, sleep

asphyxiation or something like this.

Yeah.

People who stop breathing
or sleep paralysis.

That's what it was.

Sleep paralysis where you're
awake, but you're can't move.

Well, I could move and I was talking.

So was that a ghost?

Was it my imagination?

Cause I've always had a good imagination.

I don't know.

I do remember one other occasion in
that same house, I wasn't feeling well,

didn't want to go to karate practice.

Dad's at work.

My mom's, my younger brother,
I have a younger brother yet.

He was, he was seven years younger.

Um, probably anyways, um, takes my
older brother off to karate practice

as you're not allowed out of your room.

You stay in your room for whatever reason.

There's a bucket in there.

You use that bucket and
you don't get out, right?

Okay.

So, um, anyways, then I hear, hear
her come home, vehicle comes in.

Okay.

I'm that's her.

And then I hear in the kitchen.

I'm like, man, I really want to come out.

I gotta go to the washroom.

And so I'm yelling, I'm like, I'm
not, I'm not supposed to come out.

Promised.

I wouldn't mom, mom, can I come out?

Mom, can I come out?

And.

Nothing.

So I walk into the kitchen, I'm going
down the hallway and as I'm walking and

I'm calling it out, I hear someone and
I see something just around the corner.

You know, you should see
something move around the corner.

There's three steps to
go down to the playroom.

And then the flight of steps that
goes downstairs and I heard a thump,

thump, thump, thump, thump, thump,
go all the way down the stairs

and I'm like, what the hell mom.

And it was just a short flash
of a shadow that I, that I saw.

I walked to the end of the kitchen,
looking out through the playroom into

the driveway and there's no car there.

What the hell?

So I come back in the kitchen, I
grabbed the biggest knife I can find.

And I started yelling out, I got a knife.

I got a knife.

And I go into my bedroom.

And at that time I thought, well,
probably she'd get out of here.

So I jumped out my window, uh, brought
my skateboard with me and I was, my

mom came home to me in my pajamas.

With my skateboard with the
largest kitchen knife that we

had at the end of the driveway.

Cause my thinking was like, I don't
know where to go, but if someone

comes out of the house, if something
comes, I'm going to skate away faster

than they'll be able to come up.

And so, yeah, caught
some heat for that one.

What the hell are you doing out here?

All the neighbors can see in your
pajamas with this knife and skateboard.

Have I seen a ghost, um, or were we
subject to a B and E at the time?

Did I interrupt that?

Yeah, I've always kind
of wondered with that.

Right.

Or did I just have an imagination
that was so damn vivid?

I don't know.

How about you?

You ever seen a ghost?

Tiffany Bader: No, there's been multiple
situations where people around me have

like woken up in the middle of the
night to give me messages from people.

Mm.

Uh, that were either, uh, in
trouble or had passed away.

Um, so I, I believe, like,
when I was younger, I used to

believe that, um, I didn't know.

And so I would hedge my bets and I
would tell the ghosts that I believed

in them so they wouldn't haunt me.

But I don't, like, and I would
just kind of leave it at that.

And I feel like that may have
worked because now, like, there's

been situations where potential.

Mm.

Ghosts have, have communicated
with the people around me.

Um, maybe I'm just not receptive to,
to being visited by different realms.

I don't know.

So

Travis Bader: I think it's like gut
feeling thing though, too, right?

Like, what, is that a ghost or is it
that people are just picking up or an

in tune with things that are happening
around them that you just can't quantify?

Tiffany Bader: Yeah.

I mean, I, yeah, I think, I think
there's so much we don't understand.

Um, I mean, I think the people
around me in my life are a lot more.

Sensitive and intuitive than I am.

So

Travis Bader: you're
feeling the endorphins, eh?

I am.

Yeah.

Do you want to try one more?

Yeah.

Okay.

So this is the last stab Apollo.

Okay.

Googled it because on the back
on this thing in here, it says

number 10, hot ones, last stab
Apollo to be announced Scoville.

So one thing I found out on Google,
it was between like 2 million,

uh, 22 million, yeah, 22, 2.

2 million, I think is about
what the Scoville's on this guy.

We're going to dab it up, the last dab.

We still have three questions.

Okay, well let's ask another one.

And, that's not a dab, is it?

Tiffany Bader: No, Travis,
that is like, way more than

other people put on the show.

Travis Bader: Okay, well
I'm into it now, I guess.

Go ahead, you want to match?

Feats of strength.

Okay, we'll do the question,
we'll melt her face off.

Are you not entertained?

Tiffany Bader: This better be
the highest podcast rank ever.

I'm just joking.

Travis Bader: Okay.

What is it?

Tiffany Bader: Okay.

Question is, and I think this
one's telling, I, I picked

through the other ones.

Uh, what is the most
scared you've ever been?

I can tell you, it's not right now.

Travis Bader: Most scared?

I don't get scared.

What are you talking about?

Yeah.

Um, I'm kind of scared right now to eat
this hot wing to tell you the truth.

Tiffany Bader: I'm scared right now.

This is like, a stupid amount
of hot sauce to put on this.

Travis Bader: Did you scrape some off?

No, I didn't.

Do the cameras pick it up?

Look at, I saw you tapping yours.

Tiffany Bader: No, but
there's, there's none that

Travis Bader: I knocked off.

Here we go.

3, 2, 1.

All I taste is heat.

You didn't spit it out, did you?

No.

Okay.

That's hot.

Mm hmm.

Most scared I've been.

Probably around 2007.

All over my face.

You got some chicken wing in your beard.

You feeling that?

It's hot.

You okay?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, that'd be it.

Yeah, that was, uh, I guess for people
listen, who don't know, cause I did

talk about it once on the podcast
before we had a midwife and, uh, uh,

hospital birth and the midwife is
in there and, you know, doing the

midwife thing, everything's normal.

This is fine.

This is good.

Nurses are coming in, you know, as
a husband in there, really, you're,

you're just, you're Superfluous to
the whole ordeal and supplier of

ice chips and back rubs, basically.

Yes.

And you keep looking to me
for, because you're in so much

pain, like, what would you do?

I'm like, I don't know, like,
from my objective position outside

here, not feeling the pain.

Here's some things I see.

But of course, the doctors and nurses
are like, Nope, it's got to come

from you, which you can see the.

The reasoning for that.

Yeah.

Tiffany Bader: Like, I
haven't done it before.

I don't know.

Travis Bader: Right.

Yeah.

Brand new for all of us.

But that was long.

So we're into day two,
basically, of labor.

Yeah.

And, um, they say, well, hey,
do you want to, do you want

to call in a, uh, an expert?

We got a obstetrician we can call in.

I'm like, yes, definitely
let's call the person in.

Right?

Like this is, things are obviously
not going the way they're

supposed to be doing the one.

No, no, no, sir.

It's not your decision.

It's gotta be your decision.

You look at them like, yes,
you gotta call them in.

And so they're, they're
dragging their feet.

And I said, look at, if we have to,
I'll pay the person for their time.

Like, cause I said, well, what if you
give birth and they're on their way over?

So we'll then send them home.

Right?

Anyways, person ends up
coming a British woman.

Um, Who had her helper with
her, really professional.

And she comes on in and she's
got the helper and more and

more nurses are coming in.

And a lot of people on standby and,
um, said, well, let's get suction cups.

We get forceps, we're doing this and
they're working at it, working at it.

And like, Oh, I think the
umbilical cord is wrapped.

We'll just cut the umbilical
cord and then we'll, uh.

Everything will go smooth sailing.

Well, they cut the umbilical cord and
everything was not smooth sailing.

So in the same way, when you look to
other people, when you're self arresting

on the mountain, you're like, Oh, well,
maybe there's something wrong here.

When people keep saying everything's
fine, everything's fine.

And all of a sudden they just
go to threat level at midnight.

Like they just go right through
the roof and everyone's panicking,

you know, that things aren't fine.

And the, uh, the obstetrician looks
over their helper and there's a

heightened level of, uh, urgency.

And she says, get on the
belly, start pressing.

Right.

And the helper is doing something else.

And she looks at her, helps me get
on the belly and start pressing.

And the helper looks at her with just this
look of indignant, just puts both of her

hands at her side, like a petulant child.

And like, all right.

And the obstetrician looks
at her and looks at me.

I'm like, okay, where do I go?

And she's like, you get in here.

Like this, her helper is doing nothing.

So push on the belly, see
if we can get her out.

So I got my forearm on your belly and
I'm trying to squeeze out our daughter.

Didn't know it was a daughter at the time.

Daughter, like a tube of toothpaste.

And, uh,

Tiffany Bader: Cause at this point I'd
been, I'd been pushing, like pushing

for 10, 10, 12 hours, something like
that, which is, yeah, which is apparent.

I found it later is actually like.

It kind of a stupid amount of
time to literally be pushing.

Right.

And so I was, I was like, I've
never been so tired in my life.

Travis Bader: So there I am
squeezing it out and they're doing,

anyway, and eventually after a
long time out comes our daughter.

And they're panicking, child's
out, they're running over with it.

They now have another fellow in
that they called in and, uh, later

learned this guy's only called in
for dealing with families, with, uh,

birthing that doesn't go properly,
trauma birth, whatever it might be.

And I remember looking at
you and like, did I do it?

Did I do it?

You're asking.

I'm like, Oh, it's great.

We had a beautiful baby daughter.

And knowing in my heart that
I was lying through my teeth.

And because I, I didn't think she
was alive after a long time, we

heard her cry and I'm like, Oh
my God, thank God she's alive.

And then in my head I was
like, Oh damn, she's alive.

Like that was a long time without oxygen.

Is she going to be okay?

Everything turned out okay.

But I'd say that would be the time that
I was scared, most scared in my life.

Tiffany Bader: And that, that story is
why I would want you on a desert island

with me because you tell this story
and I had no idea, years later, like I

remember when we went to go see the St.

Midwife again a year and a half later
and she's like, what are you doing here?

She's like, she was flabbergasted.

She's like, why are you pregnant?

You want to have another baby?

Like, didn't, didn't the last
experience, like, terrify you enough

to never want to do this again?

But I still, at that point, I didn't know.

You'd never told me.

Only, it was years later when you told me
the situation and, and how it, how it was.

You were, yeah, you were just
there and unflappable and,

and I was, I need Ice chips.

And, yeah, I like, yeah.

So what's, what

Travis Bader: scared you then?

Tiffany Bader: So, uh, my, it wasn't, it
wasn't that day, because I didn't know.

I didn't realize.

When

Travis Bader: you're in it.

Yeah.

I had no idea.

There's, there's no room to be afraid.

Tiffany Bader: When you tell the
story now, it scares me, and it makes

me choke up a little bit, and sad,
and, but everything turned out great.

Amazingly well, she's a fantastic kid
and, um, but scared, most scared I've

ever been is probably May 16th, 2008.

That was the most scared I've ever been.

Cause, um, I, I don't know if you want
to get into this now, but, um, yeah, I

mean for anyone that doesn't know, um,
that was a day that some incredibly.

RCMP, Firearm Center, government
officials decided to, uh, execute

a raid on, on Silvercore and put
Travis in jail for the weekend.

And I had no idea what was going on

Travis Bader: and.

Yeah.

I take off to work and they're
like, what the hell, where is he?

What's going on?

And they had the municipally
integrated ERT and orchestrated

raids at several locations.

And, and, uh, I think they had like.

18 people just at this location where I
drove in, they had the block cordoned off.

They had, um, they're
staged in the back, the ERT.

I drove in and my vehicle had a trailer
in tow and pulled in behind them.

And they look around like, Oh, Hey Trav,
uh, could you park your vehicle over here?

And they're all masked up.

Right.

And I didn't know who they were, but
one comes up, it's like, Oh, Trav,

you might remember me from, and he
like, I don't know who this person is.

And the other person like, Oh, Trav, your
father taught me back in the academy.

And I don't know why
would they got us here.

But, you know, over on the right
here, people don't see it if

they're watching, but on the wall,
there's actually the apology letter.

That took eight years to get, but it's
a rare apology letter from the RSMP.

Some point, maybe We'll talk about
the just high level of corruption and

malfeasance and everything that it
took in order to get there and the

bullying tactics and everything else.

But I don't know, that doesn't
sound like a positive place for me,

which is why I've never, why I've
never really delved into that one.

Very interesting story.

Absolutely get a lot of, uh, hits and
clicks and people would want to hear it.

But until I can find a way to talk about
that one positively, because there's a

lot of negative with him, I just figured
I'll just keep that on the back shelf.

Yeah.

But I can definitely see that being scary.

So, hey, my face didn't melt off.

Nope, mine

Tiffany Bader: didn't either.

Travis Bader: I got an

Tiffany Bader: idea.

No.

I don't want to hear your idea.

So this is what?

Travis Bader: I don't
want to hear your idea.

2 million Scoville?

I actually have something
that's about 3 million Scoville.

But it's going to be a signing off sort
of thing, because I don't know how much

we're going to be able to talk afterwards.

Cause I have a feeling it
ain't going to go too well.

Do we want to try this?

Tiffany Bader: No.

Travis Bader: Do we have
any more chicken wings

Tiffany Bader: somewhere?

Uh, in the, in the kitchen.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: We're going to do a real
quick cut because I'm going to run in

the kitchen and grab two more wings.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm back.

These sound cold.

They are cold.

Do you remember when teenager,
late teens, and you accidentally

pepper sprayed yourself?

Do you remember

Tiffany Bader: this?

Yes.

I do remember this, Travis.

Travis Bader: You closed a desk
drawer, one of my drawers on my

desk, and I guess there was some
spray inside there and it sprayed

up and a little bit got in the air.

Didn't even spray in the face, but
you're hacking and coughing and sneezing.

That sucked.

Yeah, it did suck.

And, um, I have a feeling that
that's what's going to happen

afterwards because apparently bear
spray is 3 million Schoolville.

And I got some bear
spray in a plastic bag.

And I thought, maybe just spray a little
bit of the plastic bag, try and contain

the aerosol that's going everywhere.

I'm like,

Tiffany Bader: super
unimpressed with you right now.

I might

Travis Bader: There we go.

It's expired bear spray.

But that just means that the, the
accelerant inside here will, um, uh, not

the, whatever is going to, the propellant,
the propellant can, uh The aerosol can

die out on it, but the actual spice, the
spray, it's all going to be the same.

So as long as we can get
something to dribble out, I have

a feeling it's going to spray out.

Do we have any words that we want to say?

Tiffany Bader: I just, from like,
maybe a more sane, uh, standpoint,

do you want to spray that not in
a really confined space with me?

Travis Bader: Nope, nope, we're
doing it in here because otherwise

people will come back and they'll
say it wasn't caught on camera.

You didn't do it, blah, blah, blah.

So, um, I think, uh, we'll just spray it
inside the plastic bag, give it a good

shake, let things dissipate a little bit.

Any last words before we do this?

Yes, no, maybe so?

I

Tiffany Bader: don't, I don't know.

There's nothing I can
do or say at this point.

Well, there's plenty.

For better or for worse, right?

Isn't that, isn't that what I promised?

Travis Bader: Give it a good
shake, give it a good shake.

Three million Scoville, they say.

Oh my

Tiffany Bader: god.

This is just such a

Travis Bader: terrible.

What I do want to say is.

Yeah.

Thank you to everybody who watches
the Silvercore podcast, who listens

to the Silvercore podcast, to the club
members, to everyone who's involved

in the Silvercore Outdoors community.

Thank you.

I truly enjoy doing this.

I truly enjoy interacting with each
and every one of you, whether that's in

person or online or through social media.

I find it brings a lot of positivity
in people's lives, my life included.

So here's to 2023, a great
ending of the year and into 2024.

Tiffany Bader: Here's to doing stuff.

Stupid, stupid things.

Jesus Christ.

That seemed like a pretty good shot.

Okay.

Oh, Travis, no.

Oh,

Travis Bader: Jesus Christ.

I might have to air it out.

Hold on.

I know, we'll let the air us all.

Okay, you feel it?

When I open my hand up on this
thing, it's gonna go everywhere.

Here we go, guys.

This is such a bad idea.

Three, two, one, you ready?

Yep.

One for you, one for me.

Cap it up!

Best of friends may we always be.

You ready?

Here we go.

How

Tiffany Bader: can

Travis Bader: you breathe?

Come on, get it in.

Okay, that's hot.

Happy New Year.

Oh god.

See ya, there's everybody else.

It's terrible.