The GEO Show

Welcome to Episode 12 of The GEO Show, where we break down the biggest developments in Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), AI search, and the rapidly changing world of SEO.

In this episode, Paris Childress, founder of Hop AI and co-founder of GEOforge, runs through nine stories shaping AI visibility, starting with data showing that 17,400 Microsoft Copilot citations produced only 167 Bing clicks.

In this episode:

🧭 Searchable expands into the US and bets on prompt discovery
UK AI visibility startup Searchable opened a Salt Lake City office, hired two former Scrunch employees, and said it had grown from nearly 1,000 customers in May into the thousands. Its planned Prompt Universe product points at a harder and more defensible problem for GEO software: deciding which prompts actually matter.

📉 17,400 Copilot citations produce only 167 Bing clicks
Wito reported 17,400 Microsoft Copilot citations across 127 pages over three months, but Bing generated only 167 clicks. That is roughly 104 citations per click. Citation volume is an exposure signal, not a traffic KPI, and GEO reporting must connect visibility to branded search, assisted conversions, demos, and pipeline.

🤖 AI crawler traffic swings without a site change
Across 36 days of server logs, AI Tools Recap saw its ChatGPT crawl index fall from 100 to 31 while Claude rose to 242 and Google stayed close to baseline. Monitor crawler mix by engine before treating one platform's decline as a sitewide technical problem.

📐 A new GEO entrant proposes a three-variable framework
ksmmodel.ai launched an assessment framework based on structured extractability, entity salience, and citation authority. As vendors compete on framework ownership, proprietary scoring only matters when it connects recommendations to measurable outcomes and reflects a defensible point of view.

📣 Link building, digital PR, and GEO converge
Search Engine Land argues that 2027 link building should favor earned stories, original data, journalist relationships, brand mentions, and placements that influence both people and LLMs. The old wall between SEO link building and PR is collapsing into one earned-authority program.

🔐 More than 100 companies warn about AI-enabled cyberattacks
OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Microsoft, Cloudflare, CrowdStrike, Okta, Fortinet, and others signed a joint call for stronger cyber defense. Website security belongs inside GEO risk management because compromised pages can introduce spam, redirects, false information, and brand-integrity problems that damage retrieval and trust.

🧠 Former Google AI Search leaders raise $43 million
DeepCogito raised a $43 million Series A, bringing total funding above $56 million, with Zscaler participating as both customer and strategic investor. The deal reinforces the shift toward post-trained enterprise models grounded in proprietary company knowledge rather than one general public model.

👥 AI tool preference differs by generation
YouGov data reported by Search Engine Journal shows ChatGPT leading every age group, while Claude preference reaches 10.6% among Gen Z versus 1.4% among Boomers+. Copilot shows the reverse pattern. Engine prioritization should follow the audience buying the product, not a universal platform checklist.

🌏 Korean citation data dismantles a universal Reddit playbook
RankIt AI tested 33 Korean purchase-intent responses containing 492 citations and found zero citations from Reddit, Naver Blog, Tistory, or NamuWiki; roughly 80% came from vendor and official sources. International GEO programs need source maps built for each market, language, query class, and LLM engine.

Subscribe to The GEO Show for ongoing analysis of the news, experiments, strategies, and emerging tactics shaping visibility across ChatGPT, Google AI, Perplexity, Claude, Copilot, and the rest of the AI search ecosystem.

💬 Question: If your citation count doubled tomorrow but clicks and pipeline stayed flat, would your team still call the GEO program a success?

What is The GEO Show?

All things Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). A breakdown of all that's happening in the world of AI search.

Hi, everybody.

Welcome back to another edition of The
GEO Show, brought to you by GEO Forge,

full self-driving for AI visibility.

And I'm your host, Paris Childress.

Let's get into today's top, top stories
for episode 12 Recording on August 30th.

First up, Searchable is
making an aggressive US move

with former Scrunch talent.

UK AI visibility startup Searchable opened
its first US office in Salt Lake City

and hired two former Scrunch employees,
including Scrunch's former sales lead.

Searchable says it has grown from nearly
one thousand customers in May into the

thousands and plans a September product
called Prompt Universe to identify which

prompts brands should actually monitor.

Company growth numbers are self-reported.

All right.

Well, this is interesting from a couple
of angles, but most notable for me is this

product called Prompt Universe, because I
do think that G- uh, GEO software, which

is already a hyper-crowded category,
uh, the s- the fight in this category

is shifting from just tracking prompts
towards deciding which prompts actually

matter, which is a much harder problem.

And we refer to this
internally as prompt discovery.

And I think that this is gonna be really
the secret sauce of a lot of tools

going forward, which is this prompt
discovery or prompt selection methodology.

I think this is gonna become the
critical IP for GEO software providers.

The way that we handle prompt discovery
at GeoForge within SignalForge is

that we have an AI agent that goes
out and, and does a lot of research.

It looks at the brand's website, it
looks through its competitor sites.

It also goes to Ahrefs and does
independent keyword research and tries

to understand what are the highest
demand keywords and how do, how does

that intent translate into prompts.

And then, of course, it's looking at
competitors because a lot of these

prompts are also prompts that include
things like competitor X alternatives

or competitor A versus competitor B.

Uh, these are very common
bottom-of-the-funnel prompt types that

are typically very high intent, that
have an above average, uh, click-through

rate from mentions and citations, and
a much higher conversion rate because

it indicates people are really at the
end of the journey where they're, uh,

comparing known products head to head.

But in any case, prompt discovery is,
I think, is one of the hardest things

in, uh, AI visibility right now, and
the companies that get this right are

really gonna be the winners, I think.

On to the next story.

Seventeen thousand four hundred
AI citations produced just

one hundred and seventy s- one
hundred and sixty-seven clicks.

So this is from Wito, who reported
Microsoft Copilot cites, cited

it's seventeen thousand four
hundred times Across one hundred

and twenty-seven pages over three
months, while Bing generated only

one hundred and sixty-seven clicks.

So that's basically one hundred and
four citations per one single click.

So citation volume here is
clearly not correlated, or

it's really not a traffic KPI.

Um, this is an important lesson 'cause GEO
success should never really be positioned

as citation growth or citation volume
because it still, a massive citation

volume still does not deliver traffic.

So what's important is to tie
visibility, such as mentions and

citations, to downstream branded search,
assisted conversions, AI-assisted

conversions via self-reported
attribution, and then finally demos

and pipeline that result from that.

So really that full journey.

But looking at citation volume alone
is not even a, a good predictor

of any sort of click volume.

Next up, AI crawler traffic can
swing violently without anything

changing on the site This is from a
single-site field study on August 29th.

Across 36 days of server logs, AI tools
recap saw its ChatGPT crawl index fall

from one hundred to thirty-one, while
Claude rose to two hundred and forty-two.

Google remained near baseline.

The site says nothing material--
that nothing materially changed

technically during that period.

What is this telling us?

Uh, AI visibility is extremely volatile.

This is not at all like SEO
search rankings that tend

not to move around too much.

In the SEO days, if you got a top three
ranking, you were able to defend that

and stay there in some cases for years.

Uh, but AI visibility, particularly
with citation appearances,

is extremely more volatile.

So it's important to really to monitor
the crawler mix by engine because the,

the volatility also is very different
across ChatGPT, Claude, Google.

So it's important to, to monitor this by
crawl mix-- monitor the crawler mix by

engine, and avoid interpreting a sudden
ChatGPT decline as a big problem until you

see that other crawlers follow suit and
that you check other technical signals.

All right, next up.

A new GEO entrant is trying to standardize
the category around three variables.

This new entrant is called ksmmodel.ai.

They launched an assessment framework
built around three variables.

Number one, structured extractability.

Number two, entity salience.

And number three, citation authority.

With metrics such as share of model and
entity recognition rate, the methodology

originates with its founder and has
not yet been independently validated.

So what's happening here?

Uh, GEO vendors are increasingly
competing on framework ownerships,

not merely data collection

So these different frameworks are
emerging, um, and a defensible

agency framework really needs to have
evidence that ties its recommendations

and its philosophy to outcomes,
not just having another proprietary

zero to 100 score for something.

Now, that said, we have some proprietary
scoring, uh, first of which is called

information gain score, which is a, a
score from zero to 100 that measures

the degree to which a, uh, piece of
knowledge that is uploaded into our

knowledge base, Baseforge, contributes
net new, uh, knowledge to LLM crawlers.

Um, but beyond that, we are starting
to develop our own, uh, framework,

which is based on this whole
principle of information gain.

And I think what the framework that makes
us most unique in our space is that we

insist on grounding all generated content
from a knowledge base so that it delivers

high information gain to AI crawlers.

So this is, this is really our framework,
and I do think it's important for the

leaders in this space to have a unique
opinion and a, a unique framework

that they build their software around.

All right, next story.

Link building, digital PR,
and GEO are collapsing into

one earned authority motion

Search Engine Land argues that 2027
link building should move away from link

volume toward earned stories, original
data, journalist relationships, brand

mentions, and placements that are capable
of influencing both people and LLMs.

So the historic organizational
wall between SEO link building and

PR, uh, really makes less and less
sense in an AI search environment.

That wall is starting to collapse, and
it really makes a lot of sense here,

um, because PR, uh, digital PR is,
you know, one of the best ways to get

high quality citations, third-party
citations And I think now it's, it's

important to really think of this
all as one activity, uh, one combined

earned authority program where you're
simultaneously optimizing for links, for

third-party mentions, and to try to reach
referral audiences and AI citations.

So I do think that particularly,
uh, digital PR agencies and

link-building agencies are going
to kind of merge together, uh, into

what are now gonna be GEO agencies.

Next up, more than one hundred major
companies are warning that AI-enabled

cyberattacks are about to accelerate.

OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Microsoft,
Cloudflare, CrowdStrike, Okta,

Fort-Fortinet, and others have signed
a joint call for stronger cyber

defense, warning that AI-enabled
attacks will become more widespread

and sophisticated in coming months.

This is coming from TechCrunch.

The interpretation here is that, uh,
website security is increasingly-- it

increasingly belongs inside of GEO risk
management because compromised sites

can create spam and redirects, they can
poison and create false information that

directly damages retrieval and trust.

So for cyber clients especially, I
think that a comprehensive GEO audit

or, uh, on-site GEO health monitoring
should include technical SEO, classic

technical SEO, uh, like, uh, crawl
accessibility and, uh, information

architecture, plus AI crawler monitoring,
which we've talked about in previous

episodes, making sure that the right,
uh, bots are able to access the site,

but the malicious bots are excluded.

Plus website security, which is mentioned
here, and brand integrity monitoring.

Because if, if a site gets hacked,
of course, that definitely is gonna

impact its, uh, brand integrity, which
flows downstream into how an AI might

answer questions about that brand.

Next up, former Google AI Search leaders
have raised forty-three million dollars

with Zscaler as a customer and investor.

DeepCogito, I guess it's pronounced
Cogito, C-O-G-I-T-O, raised forty-three

million dollars in Series A, taking its
total funding above fifty-six million.

Its founders previous-previously
led Gemini post-training and

product work for Google AI Search.

Cybersecurity company Zscaler
participated as both a customer

and a strategic investor.

All right, why is this interesting?

Well, enterprise AI is increasingly
using post-trained models f- on

proprietary company knowledge, uh,
rather than one general public model

So proprietary knowledge bases,
which is the core of GEOForge.

So to take a step back, the, the entire
premise of GEOForge is that you build

content that is grounded in a proprietary
knowledge base, and until you get that

proprietary knowledge base built and
robust enough, um, you don't even bother

trying to generate any other type of
content because it'll just be AI slop.

So here, proprietary knowledge bases
could become valuable, not just for

public GEO, like in the case of what
we're doing with GEOForge, but also

as training and evaluation assets
for clients' own AI systems that

they will develop for themselves.

I do think starting with enterprise
companies, and more and more they'll

be building internal AI systems, and
in order to do that, it needs to start

with a comprehensive knowledge base.

Next up, different generations
are already choosing different

AI discovery environments.

YouGov data reported by Search Engine
Land-- I'm sorry, Search Engine Journal

shows ChatGPT remains the preferred
AI tool across every age group.

But Claude preference reaches ten point
six percent among Gen Z versus one

point four percent among Boomers plus.

Copilot shows the reverse
pattern, performing considerably

better with older users.

So this is one of the first times
we've looked at LLM preference

through the lens of age.

Um, but again, AI visibility can't just
be, uh-- you, you really can't separate

AI visibility from audience composition,
and it against-- it again brings up the

importance of, uh, ICP development and
persona development, and that includes age

for some different brands and products.

So engine prioritization, let's
say for SaaS, it should reflect the

personas who are buying the product.

So developers may warrant having
heavier Claude measurement, while

corporate users, uh, you might
wanna lean more towards Copilot.

But one thing is for sure that
everybody is using ChatGPT.

All right, the last story of the day.

Fresh Korean data reinforces that
there is no universal Reddit strategy.

This is a small observational study
from RankIt AI, who tested thirty-three

Korean market purchase intent responses
containing four hundred and ninety-two

citations and found zero citations from
Reddit, Naver Blog, Tstory, or Namu Wiki.

Roughly eighty percent came from
vendor and official sources.

Okay, what is this telling us?

Why, why are we bringing up a
Korean Reddit story today here?

Uh, the broader point here is that the

source ecosystem, citation source
ecosystems can differ radically

by market, by language, um,
query class, and LLM engine.

So if you are running an international
GEO program, um, you really

have to parse out each market.

Um, you need to map, uh, local
sources for each country.

Um, you can't just simply, uh, translate
a US Reddit/digital PR playbook because

it's not gonna be localized enough.

All right.

That's it for today.

Thank you for tuning into episode 12,
and we'll see you all in the next one