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Business Voices is the Juneau Chamber of Commerce podcast focused on the people, ideas, and decisions shaping Juneau’s economy.
Each episode features thoughtful conversations with local business owners, civic leaders, entrepreneurs, and decision-makers who are working to build a stronger, more diverse, and more resilient business community.
This show reflects the Chamber’s larger mission: to support entrepreneurship, encourage responsible and sustainable development, improve the business climate, and help make Juneau a better place to work, live, shop, and invest.
Business Voices is a forum for insight, leadership, and shared perspective, connecting the people who care about Juneau’s economic future and the quality of life that makes this community worth building.
Welcome to Business Voices Juno, the podcast of the Juno Chamber of Commerce hosted by executive director Becca Parks. From entrepreneurship and leadership to growth, resilience, and innovation, this podcast shines a light on the businesses and voices helping define Juno's economic future.
Speaker 2:Alright. And we're back for another episode of Business Voices. And this week, we get to have a guest that I have been begging to come on since the first episode because I think it's such a perfect Juno business story. Also, my favorite guest because she showed up with a coffee for me. I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 2:Laura McDonald, owner of Caribou crossings.
Speaker 3:Hello.
Speaker 2:So I think I'd love to start out with that. Just your maybe first job in Juneau and your path to becoming the owner of Caribou crossings.
Speaker 3:So my second job in Juneau, actually, when I was 14, I worked at a local plumbing store, which was super fun. But it was the summer of nineteen ninety nine. And I I had a bunch of friends working down, actually, at a coffee shop downtown. And I really thought it would be cool to be a barista. So I was headed down for a job interview, I thought, for a coffee shop.
Speaker 3:Fun story. On my way down, the hood of my 1987 Honda Accord flew up into the windshield, just like a Chris Farley movie. And so I was late and I was super flustered and I sit down for this barista job interview. And the woman across from me asked me to sell her a pencil. And I realized I was not there to interview for a coffee shop job, but for a job in a local gift shop, Caribou crossings.
Speaker 3:And it was the most terrifying interview of my entire life, But the the rest is kind of history. So I was 16. I worked there all through high school and sort of Caribou crossings has always been this incubator for young women, like before incubators existed. And the rule there was always as much responsibility as you're capable of, we'll give you if you want it. So I was doing the books.
Speaker 3:By the time I graduated high school, I was helping with the buying and just kind of growing and learning and obviously putting myself through college saving up my college account by the time I graduated. And then like every Juno kid, I was so ready to leave when I graduated high school and went down to Portland State and had a great time in Oregon with all the other Juno kids. And I made it almost a year before I realized, oh, it's not not as great out here as I thought it might be. And and honestly, I, you know, I needed to have a good job to keep paying my way through college, and I didn't realize quite what a special thing we have here in Juneau and the opportunities. I mean, you just cannot make the same kind of money other places as you can as as a in the summer in Juno, and that's still true.
Speaker 3:So, came back and, did my my next three years of school here and was continued to work full time at Caribou crossings and then continued, finished my MBA, which Caribou crossings actually paid for. And I'm more of that incubator culture. And then about 2019, it was kind of like, alright. We've hit the ceiling. You know?
Speaker 3:What am I going to do? I never wanna leave this business. There will never be something I like to do more. But I kinda need to have, like, a real life job. And so my mentor, my best friend, Tanya, who founded Caribou crossings actually in Skagway when she was only 23 years old, She was ready to move on to something different too.
Speaker 3:So she was like, let's just you just buy the business from me and I'll go do the next thing. And it was this beautiful, perfect transition, except that it was 01/01/2020 when I signed those papers. And then I didn't have a customer for two years after that. So that was my that was like the here's your TED talk. Here's how you really cut your teeth.
Speaker 3:I was already running the business. So I thought, like, oh, just nothing's really gonna change. And then there you know, I guess every new business owner has to have challenges.
Speaker 2:I I don't know that every business owner has to have challenges like that. What how did you weather the pandemic?
Speaker 3:So that was actually so pivotal just for kind of, like, the trajectory of the next chapter for me because the whole tourism industry was turned upside down on its head. And we had all this federal funding coming in. And we have a very insightful mayor, Beth Weldon, who put together the Economic Stabilization Task Force and called and said, I don't know you, but I've heard that I think you wanna serve on this committee, and I think you should. And so I did. And, that was, you know, such a learning opportunity for me because it was people from all different segments of the community, public, private, and really made sure that all those funds went to the right place to the businesses that needed them and needed them the most.
Speaker 3:I learned later that that it didn't go that way in lots of other communities. It was pretty unique that Juneau's businesses were able to weather that storm, I think, a lot better than other places because of how we approached it. So there was that happening on one level. And then on the other level, we have this incredible industry, tourism industry that banded together. And we lobbied every single day.
Speaker 3:It was like, oh, those PPP doesn't work for seasonal businesses. None of our numbers match. We won't get any of this funding. And we, you know, we spent hours and hours on the phone with Senator Sullivan's office, Senator Murkowski's office. And that was kind of advocacy wise, my first real picture of, wow, you can do things and have an impact that has an impact every single day.
Speaker 3:So it was like we would have these conversations with the staff of our delegation one day and the next day, they were on the floor of the Senate getting things changed for the tourism industry and the seafood industry. And that's really what saved all of our businesses. Same thing on the state side, we had incredible people working for Department of Commerce and really made sure that all those grants were working the way they were supposed to, for who they were supposed to. And that that's the only way that any of us survived. And knowing business owners from other states, it didn't go that way.
Speaker 2:So I feel like we've had so many people talk about how collaborative the Juno business environment is versus a lot of other communities down south where it feels a lot more competitive and closed off. You don't wanna share secrets. You don't wanna talk about splitting the pot. I just I love that. And people that I've talked to in Juno.
Speaker 2:I also love how many stories of people saying yes to something like that getting involved beyond their professional role, but how that really shows returns back to your profession. Because now you're on the chamber board, you are president of the state chamber board. How have those things impacted you and your businesses?
Speaker 3:Your business? Well, hugely so after that economic stabilization task force, that's when I started working with the Juno Chamber. That was my very first you know, like a lot of young business owners, I was like, what is a chamber? What are they even doing for me? What do you mean I should be on the chamber board?
Speaker 3:And then, of course, I'm like, oh, you guys do everything that makes my whole business survive, and I don't even know you're already doing it. So on that level, I learned how important advocacy is. Of course, it's expanded my customer base just because of networking. 98% of my customers come from cruise ships anyway. But it's just been fun to be able to do with Alaska Chamber.
Speaker 3:We do something called bubbles and baubles every year, which is which you've been to, which is so fun. Shopping for earrings in the dead of winter, but it's fun because we have champagne. Things like that, which is great for business, but also it's just a fun part of being a business owner is getting to share what I love doing with bigger groups of people and with Alaskans because, you know, our store, we represent almost 80.
Speaker 2:We
Speaker 3:have 78 different Alaskan artists that we represent. And we all love what we do so much, but it's pretty rare that we get to share it with actual Alaskans because so much of our customer base is out of state. So it's really fun to get to connect that way. But back to your actual question. Being engaged in this way has really made me understand the impact that government has on business and that policy has on business, even my business, even my teeny tiny business, I would argue sometimes more of an impact on a teeny tiny business.
Speaker 3:And I wouldn't know that if I wasn't this involved, if I wasn't listening to all the assembly meetings and paying attention to the legislature and even on a federal level, how much those things impact the survival of my business. And if I don't have a say in that, you know, it's most of the time it's unintended. It's really is unintended consequences. And I know we all hate that term. But if if we're not having these conversations every single day, everybody is so well intentioned and has great ideas.
Speaker 3:And how would they ever know how those decisions would impact Caribou crossings in Juneau, Alaska if I'm not there to tell them or if someone's not there to tell them?
Speaker 2:You sort of had this weird fortunate moment where the pandemic forced you to get involved and you had the time because you didn't have customers. What would you say to small business owners that are just starting now? Like where's the entry point to get engaged? How do you prioritize your time of running your store versus all the others that are beneficial, but it's time consuming?
Speaker 3:There's a really easy way to dip your toe in toes in. And that's through your local chamber always because there's so many different things that our local chamber does that you can pick and choose. So maybe it's going up to the Spirits of Alaska mixer on the tram because you wanna have some fun, check out our local distilleries, but also maybe talk to somebody from the chamber about what's actually happening out there. Or maybe you do just want to come listen to a government affairs committee meeting, if that's your thing. If you're a nerd like I am, I think that's really fun.
Speaker 3:Or it's just looking at the luncheon calendar and being like, oh, that's really that person is very relevant to my business. I do have an hour this month to just go sit there and listen. It does not take a huge commitment. If you're a member of the chamber, there's so many access points. It can also be, hey, Becca, I need to have coffee with you or somebody on your board or one of your committees that can fill me in on this one thing.
Speaker 3:I think it's gonna impact me. I need to know more about it. I think what people don't realize is when you're part of a when you're when you're paying membership dues, you are really supposed to get something from those dues. It's not just like, oh, I'm paying the chamber because I'm supposed to be a member. No.
Speaker 3:You actually are supposed to get something back from that, and I I hope that people will take better advantage of it because we have somebody at every single finance committee meeting, at every single assembly member assembly meeting because nobody has time to do that when you're running a business. And the chamber's doing that for you. It's just knowing that it's happening and you can access it if you need to.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That was an unintentional advertisement for chamber membership, but we'll
Speaker 3:take it. Yeah. I mean, it's just that is what we do. And it's an incredible amount of time that business owners don't have. And that's what that's like why you pay your membership.
Speaker 3:So take advantage of it.
Speaker 2:Well, I'd love to switch gears a little and hear a little bit more about the shop. Like Yeah. What is it that you love so much about the Caribou Crossings and the business of retail?
Speaker 3:So for us, it's so much about community. And it always has been ever since day one when I was 16 and I started there. We've kind of always had a different approach to everything. So it's it's first of all, it's Alaska focused, and our whole staff is local, and that's really important to us. But it's also about the customer experience and making sure that we are a because we already are a part of the day, of everybody's day when they're visiting Juneau, hopefully, everybody's day.
Speaker 3:And the idea that part of what they remember about Juno, my hometown, will be the experience they had in our store with our team, with our products is huge. It's really important to us. So it's been so fun fostering that, learning how to do that, and then kind of watching it grow and take off. And it kind of has this organic mind of its own. So over the last thirty years, next year will be our thirtieth year.
Speaker 3:You know, I think the last time I counted, we had over a 150 local employees over the years. And most people stay for years and years and work for us for, like, four or five years, work with us. So that sense of community is so fun because my favorite thing to do is when we're out and about in the real world is like, oh, that person's former boo crew. Oh, she's also anytime anyone's talking about somebody doing something amazing, I love when I get to be like, former boo crew, of course. With a name
Speaker 2:like that, everyone will wanna be in.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Exactly. Or even just full circle when I went to the hospital to have my daughter, the nurse walks in, and it was, one of the women who had worked for me for five years and put herself through nursing school who always wanted to be an OB nurse. And it was her first day on the job. And it was hilarious.
Speaker 3:I was like, okay. Well, I'm gonna need a different nurse, obviously. But it was just such a cool full circle experience that it was like, oh, my first day doing this, your first day doing this, and all full circle from Caribou Crossing. So I love that community part of it. I also love, getting to watch artists and the access they have and watching them grow from there because we like to find artists that nobody else has to keep.
Speaker 3:You know, there's a lot of stores in Juneau, and we like to make sure that ours stands out and is different from everyone else's. So I work really hard to make sure the product mix is different. And in doing that, you find a lot of brand new first time just getting started kind of artists. And it's so fun to watch the transition, you know, over the years from then all of a sudden being like, this was just for fun. Now I get to do my passion.
Speaker 3:Now I don't have to go to work anymore and I get to be here with my kids and do what I love to, oh my gosh, help me have these conversations. How do I pare this down? I can't keep up. I have to start telling some people no. How do I manage the growth of my own art business because it's grown so fast.
Speaker 3:And those kinds of conversations are extra fun for me because it's that again, it's a whole full circle from start to finish.
Speaker 2:And it's an incubator, not just for your employees, then for all your artists.
Speaker 3:Yes, absolutely. I mean, the access that we have, these these artists from little tiny communities all over the state that don't get any visitors, even in their communities, and the access that they get to have just through Caribou crossings and the joy that their work brings. And we're really good about sharing that we're constantly taking pictures and texting our artists and so that they get to see that connection and that joy too, because it really is it's a huge part of someone's experience. And it is for me too. You know, if you think about some of your favorite days when you go to a new place, sometimes it's just walking around having a cup of coffee and looking at what people are doing.
Speaker 3:And one way to do that is to go look at all the local, not just a museum, but what are people making and selling and sharing and what are the locals wanna do and eat and wear.
Speaker 2:Have you seen any trends or changes in your product lines and the art products that you're selling, carrying, and the artist stories themselves.
Speaker 3:What's been so cool for us is twenty five years ago, we were one of the only shops that was trying to have the main emphasis be made in Alaska. And that was a big deal. It was a lot more expensive to have things that were handmade here. And that was a conversation. The customers weren't used to that.
Speaker 3:And so that was a big part of our conversation. You know, we've always said we are not a grocery store. Customers don't walk up to you. We're out there engaging, interacting all day long with our customers, our visitors. And a huge part of that was explaining why our prices were so much higher because this is handmade here that comes from offshore.
Speaker 3:That's okay. But this is why this is more expensive. Here's, you know, the background, the love, the detail, the supplies that went into this. Here's why it's so special. And this is why it costs three times as much.
Speaker 3:I feel like we never have to have that conversation. Not never. Probably about 10% versus 85% of the time because it's what customers want. The the market has shifted so much that everybody comes in the door and they want something that's local and that's all they want. And they find things that aren't locally made and they get upset.
Speaker 3:Like the conversation has switched to why do you have this thing that's not made in Alaska versus why is this thing that's made in Alaska so expensive? It's and for me, I'd love that shift in just what customers want, what the market demand is, is for local things. And that's been just an incredible shift over the last twenty years. And then specifically indigenous items, which is, you know, just to see the difference in visitor in the last ten years probably, and what they're looking for and how educated they are and how their tastes have changed. I mean, certainly makes it a lot more fun for me to do the buying because it went from, oh, no one's ever gonna get this and no one will pay what this is actually worth to, oh my gosh, this is so special.
Speaker 3:I'm never gonna be able to have enough of it because they won't be able to make it fast enough. That's a great problem to have. And that's been such a cool shift to watch.
Speaker 2:It's really nice to hear that story. I feel like we're getting a lot of, you know, the economy is getting harder. People have less disposable income, but spending it in ways that are fun to work with as a local retailer. And you are Juno, like I think all cruise ports has a push and pull relationship with our cruise lines. But you are an outspoken advocate of our cruise lines and have a great relationship with them.
Speaker 2:How did that come to be?
Speaker 3:So we were one of the first local shops to be on the onboard shopping program. That was, I don't know, probably twenty, twenty five years ago. And we, you know, it was always kind of this common myth that, well, we can't afford to be on this program because only the big jewelry stores can afford to give a big chunk of commission back to the cruise lines. And what we started learning was, oh, you know, as the the cruise line started learning, our passengers want to shop local. This is important to our passengers.
Speaker 3:And, you know, we were pretty clear, well, you have to make it affordable or we won't be able to do it. And so the shopping program onboard is set up for easy access for local businesses. And there are so many local businesses that are part of those shopping programs, and they don't demand a commission. They don't take a chunk of our sales. Of course, it's marketing.
Speaker 3:Right? It's advertising. So you can get more or less depending on how much you can afford to pay. But, you know, they want local shops on their maps. They want to be able to talk about local shops in their port talks.
Speaker 3:It gives them the credibility that they're looking for, and it gives their passengers the experience the passengers are looking for. So, you know, we've always had a great relationship with our onboard shopping program because they really want to represent us and they know they have to represent us well. And it's been you know, Alaska, just like everything else in the cruise industry, is its own special little bubble. So, of course, in the heyday before I was around, I think, you know, in the eighties, things were not very regulated. Things were different.
Speaker 3:I think there was there wasn't a shopping guide. There was just a hotel director. Things were different. And Alaska were pretty smart in this state. So we were one of the only places in the world or maybe the only place in the world, but I don't know that for sure, that had really strict regulations around what a shopping guide could even say, what they were even allowed to say on stage, and who they were allowed to talk about.
Speaker 3:And they're they're not allowed to disparage other businesses if they're not on the all those tactics, all those things that we don't love that aren't part of the Alaskan experience, we made it so they couldn't do that here. It was in regulation. It wasn't allowed. And so I think just like with most things in the cruise industry and actually with every every industry, there are things that happen in other places in the world that we don't love, that are unsavory. We do things differently in Alaska just like we manage all of our industries different in Alaska, and we do it a lot better.
Speaker 3:And it works for local businesses. So I've and I've always been really proud to say I am a local business in the cruise industry. And I've just really leaned into that because why not? Because it's the truth and because I am, 98% of my business comes from cruise passengers. We have a really cool economy in this town, but 32,000 people cannot sustain all of the local shops and restaurants we have in Juneau.
Speaker 3:Every downtown business will well, South Of The Red Dog anyway, will be so excited to talk about. We are local businesses in the cruise industry. And leaning into that is why we've been able to be, such successful partners for so long. I think there's been a bit of an identity crisis. A lot of folks, for a lot of different reasons, haven't wanted to maybe be so public about their relationships, how much they rely on cruise passengers because they somehow felt less local by not being only sustained by local business.
Speaker 3:And when the reality is we can't all be sustained by only local business, that doesn't exist. And so I think just being super solid and comfortable and I'm still a local store, I only have local employees, I represent the majority of my items are made locally, but I am sustained by the cruise industry because 32,000 people cannot pay the bills.
Speaker 2:When I think, you know, was we're just looking at a study done by the cruise lines that says the passengers coming to Alaska are also coming here because of that. They want the Alaska experience. It's different than cruises at other ports at other destinations. They want to get off the ship. They want to have a local experience, which I think is just great data for us to know that there are people that want to come and contribute to our local economy.
Speaker 2:And we are lucky to have them. Can you share more about that process? Like, if I'm a new business in town, how do I meet the cruise lines? They're there and do you feel a little bit separate in town?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, you know, there's this great network, again, of just being really engaged and involved in the industry and being open to those conversations. You know? If if you're especially a new business in town, then you already know you will rely on cruise passengers because that's the nature of our economy. Or if you're a business that's been in business for a really long time, and if you've been in business for a really long time, then you already know you rely on cruise passengers, but maybe you haven't wanted to say that out loud. I think the way you can get engaged is coming to you know, Travel Juno has great mixers, has great, networking opportunities, the ATIA conference every year.
Speaker 3:Just getting yourself into the networks of the industry. We're the fun industry. We are the hospitality industry. It is really easy to just show up and be like, hey, I'm new here. Somebody please show me the ropes, and you'll get more people than you ever possibly could want wanting to show you the ropes and and include you.
Speaker 3:And it's like you were saying, it doesn't feel like this big competitive ugly thing. The pie is plenty big, and we are all friends. We're all in this together. Everybody's constantly helping everybody. Even like stores that are two doors down from mine, we're constantly, hey, how's this going?
Speaker 3:What's this for you? I mean, we are we are all friends. There is plenty to go around, and it's such a welcoming and inclusive industry. I think the biggest hurdle is for whatever reason, getting past the thing to say, yeah, I I am in the cruise industry. I am in the local cruise industry.
Speaker 3:And there's never I've never seen anything wrong with that. But I think that the more people that can just say that out loud and make it part of their local brand, lean into it. And it's really fun. And then that's where all those doors open.
Speaker 2:Well, I certainly I think so much of that community and finding the balance between people coming in and and having it be a great experience for visitors and a great experience for locals means we have to all talk to each other and be engaged in the conversation. So I do hope that all of our businesses are part of it. I thinking about that there are we're close on time. And there's one other thing that you and I have worked on that I think Juno specific, it tracks national trends and just workforce challenges. And how have you seen that change or even the challenges that have been there the whole time you've been involved in the business in terms of recruiting workforce, retaining workforce, and then even your own time being able to stay in the workforce?
Speaker 3:So, I mean, obviously, childcare is huge for me personally, not so much my staff because we're seasonal business, right? So most of our staff is putting themselves through college. That's basically or they're in high school saving up for college. But, you know, I had a baby on August 1, and that was a real eye opener because I was not on the two year long waiting list to be in a childcare that I felt great about putting my daughter in. And so that was hands down the hardest part about owning a business and being a mom hand in hand was childcare.
Speaker 3:And so we've worked together. In fact, I just heard a great update recently about all the efforts working as a community. Juno is doing a great job. Again, better than most places because this is a problem everywhere, but we're kind of on the forefront of problem solving. Doesn't mean it's solved.
Speaker 3:It's still really hard, but that's been my biggest challenge. And now that my daughter's eight, it's obviously a little bit easier. And then, you know, workforce development is such an interesting thing for me because in the tourism industry, we will never have as many people to fill all the jobs. So you hear that a lot. People are like, well, these jobs aren't going to locals.
Speaker 3:Well, that's because we've already taken all the locals. We've hired any local that wants a job in the tourism industry, and we have to look outward because the demand is so high for work. But it's very that means it's very competitive. And so in order for me to have a good staff and retain my staff, I have to take very good care of them, which we do anyway. It's part of our culture.
Speaker 3:But I think, you know, there's all the you know, these talks about back to the advocacy piece about things that maybe need to be mandated, like paid sick leave and stuff like that. And I'm like, oh my gosh. We are so far. I don't couldn't even tell you what minimum wage is because we've been paying quadruple 10 times minimum wage for the last twenty five years. It's so competitive that the only way to retain, to get and retain good staff is to take very good care of your staff.
Speaker 3:So you have to pay them well. You have to make sure that they have the work life balance that they want to stay happy, to get to enjoy their summer. You have to make sure their family needs are taken care of. The amount of money I have to pay to provide parking for my employees would absolutely blow your mind. I mean, the the number one cost for any employer is not just wages, but everything else on top of the wages to retain your employees.
Speaker 3:And that's, you know, it's the biggest challenge, but it's also the favorite my favorite part of the job because I am really proud of how long we keep our employees. So I think in our market, because it's so competitive, just by nature, you have to be a really cool, fun place to work or you will not be able to keep employees.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, if somebody is curious, where make sure everybody knows where the Boo Crew and Caribou Crossings is.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, we are right downtown in the gauntlet, as we like to call it, on South Franklin Street across from Paradovich Plaza. So we're in between the Red Dog and the tram, kind of halfway in that yellow building. The great thing I think that everybody should know about coming downtown to all of downtown is the parking garages are free every day after 4PM and on the weekends. There are lots of days that are very quiet downtown, believe it or not, and there's a ton of easy pockets of time to come down and eat and shop and enjoy your downtown when it's not super crowded. Those cruise ship schedules are available online.
Speaker 3:You can always also just ask anyone that works in the industry has it memorized. I know that we've too been trying to work, as a chamber on maybe making a count or something that's just like, hey. Every Friday morning, Saturday morning, you could do cartwheels down South Franklin Street. My daughter has before. It's a great time to come downtown Friday evenings, Saturday evenings.
Speaker 3:Come down and enjoy your downtown because it's quiet and everyone's down there eager to see everybody. So that's that's when it's a good time to come to Caribou Crossings. Come see the boo crew. Alright. And maybe Lucy the dog if you're really lucky.
Speaker 3:See the shop dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And She's number one employee. Alright. And I highly recommend the earring selection and the print selection. I think Caribou Crossings is some of the best.
Speaker 2:So thank you very much. Folks didn't catch your name. I got to talk with Laura McDonald from Caribou crossings. Also the Alaska box. We didn't talk about that, but
Speaker 3:maybe we'll have you back. A whole another episode.
Speaker 2:K. Well, anything else you want people to know?
Speaker 3:I think that's the one thing. I want people to come downtown, enjoy your downtown. There's there's a swath of people that have kinda made a religion out of talking about how overcrowded and miserable downtown is, and that's not true. So please come back downtown and enjoy it because there's a lot going on, and there's a lot of great time to do it. And not just my store.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:All the stores.
Speaker 2:And I'll be sure, you know, if you're not signed up for the Chamber of Commerce newsletter, go to our website, junochamber.com, and maybe we'll start including that calendar so folks can take a look and see when those windows are for locals to head downtown.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's helpful. And it's like, here's the same time is great, you know, to go to the glacier and do your hiking out there and bring guests. It's the pockets.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yep. Well, thanks again. I'm glad we did another Business Voices. And like I said, we'll have to have you back.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Can't wait to listen to the other episodes
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