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The podcast for high-level leaders carrying the invisible weight of the world.
If you’re a founder, executive, or high-ranking leader, you already know this truth: the higher you rise, the fewer people you can safely talk to.
Lonely at the Top is a sanctuary in the storm—a space where the emotional cost of leadership is named, and where relief, clarity, and grounded support are always on the table.
Hosted by Soul Medic and former psychotherapist Rachel Alexandria, this podcast dives into the unspoken realities of high-level decision-making: the pressure, the isolation, the doubt, and the fatigue. Each episode offers insight, emotional tools, and conversations with seasoned leaders who’ve learned to navigate the weight of responsibility without losing themselves.
Welcome to Lonely at the top of the podcast where high level leaders speak the truths they rarely get to say out loud. I'm your host, Rachel Alexandria, former psychotherapist turned soul medic to founders, executives, and decision makers, helping them clean up their secret messes and navigating the emotional weight of leadership. you've ever felt the strain of being responsible for everything and no one you can really talk to about it, this is the right place for you. In each episode, we go behind the curtain with a courageous leader to explore the real cost of holding power what it takes to stay human at the top. 📍 Today's guest is Angela Quach, the founder and CEO of Destiny Lab, a multi-million dollar marketing agency specializing in brands with purpose. A distinguished Korean American entrepreneur and DEI activist. She's been recognized as a Forbes business coach and has led brand strategy for names like Tony Robbins, DirecTV. AT&T and the Earl B Gilliam Bar Foundation. Born in Ohio to working class immigrant parents, Angela's rise reflects both grit and vision. Today she's on a mission to build a more equitable business world one bold idea at a time. Hello, my lovely Angela.
Hello, Rachel. Thank you for having me
I'm so glad you're here. So I wanted you to be one of my first interviews on the podcast because we are, you know, surprise to viewers, and listeners. We are friends in real life.
in
I,
life. Yes.
I knew Angela like before, before when she was still an impressive, I wanna say corporate climber I guess
Mm-hmm. Yes,
before she
So.
the amazing CEO she is today, and I wanted to talk to her about it. So tell us just a little bit about your background. I hit it in your introduction, but what was it like for you growing up with working class immigrant parents in Ohio? Now you're in, you know, you've been to San Francisco and San Diego and Dubai.
You've been all over the place. But take us just for a moment, back to the beginning.
Wow. Uh, well, it, it's been an amazing journey of gratitude. I would say that my journey is not very different from a lot of others. Especially, kids who, you know, were raised by immigrant parents. So I grew up in Columbus, Ohio to humble, working class roots. Um, my parents made less than $20,000 a year in salary.
So, you know, I mean, we were poor with a capital P but you don't know that growing up, right? It's just like it's a lifestyle for you for myself. So, you know, really the way out for me was through education. So I am a proud byproduct of affirmative action. You know, someone at the top created a lane of access for me to succeed, based on merit and not resources.
So from there I received an academic scholarship at the Ohio State University, and that put me on a journey as, uh, a business consultant. And it opened me up to avenues for traveling, for projects that I probably would've never been exposed to. Opportunities of a lifetime. You know, if there was an opportunity, I definitely seized it.
Um, and, and that was my mindset. And I, I came into the corporate world really wanting to prove myself. Right. You know, especially in my twenties. I was so hungry for respect, um, for money, for access for all these things, for power, influence, leadership roles. So to say I worked my butt off is, you know, an understatement and, um, I just had a lot to prove, uh I believed at that time
I had a lot to prove. Um, and I did pretty well for myself. I started off as a manager, worked my way up to agency director for a marketing agency, Max Borges Agency, where I handled large accounts and things like that. And, um. I really had a change of heart from corporate to entrepreneur when I started working for, um, a well-known name by the name of Tony Robbins.
You know, he, he's a well-known life coach in the life coaching industry, and it was something I had manifested, like I had a vision of working for the best life coaches out there and. I had either Tony Robbins or Oprah and I, and I really hit the nail. Um, just submitting my resume, being very aggressive with follow up and, and putting myself out there.
And what I realized working for Tony as his producer for two years, which is a man I respect very well, is that. This is a man who has a vision and understands how to execute it, and he is not shy about his vision and his dream. And being an entrepreneur is not for everyone, but I do believe that we can all be leaders
of our own journey, of our own desires and dreams. So I have plenty of friends who are still in corporate, who are now VPs and presidents. Um, and to them that is their dream.
Mm-hmm.
for me, I had to be authentic and honest with myself and say, my dream is to start my own business from the ground up. Um, and that's what I did.
you, you then did, yeah. I met you when were still working for Tony
Mm-hmm.
you were, you had just moved to San Diego and. You were like, you know what? I really wanna do my own thing. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's a big leap. You know? And you were like, I'm gonna make this company not, I mean, I've been working for myself for almost 20 years,
Mm-hmm.
this is just basically me and you know, some contractors, uh, and you were like, no, I'm gonna build a company.
And I was like, privately, I was a little bit, you know. I didn't understand how much drive and intelligence you were really gonna bring to this. I had no idea. I had never watched someone personally, go from being employed and never having been an entrepreneur to within six months having a company with employees and actually killing it.
I have never seen that in my life, and I've been an entrepreneur for 20 years.
Thank you. Thank you.
It was remarkable. Like I really, I wasn't doubting that you could eventually get there, but I was like, what's she gonna do for money in the meantime? And you were like, no man, I'm making this work right now. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah, I, I attribute a lot of that to , the universe, having faith first and foremost, which we can definitely dive into, and also extreme resilience. Um, extreme resilience because even in those six months, each day of those six months, you're not sure what the outcome is going to be. And I was living day to day. I was not as financially literate as I am today, and so I was living off a very minimal amount of savings. And I had to make sacrifices. You know, I decided that if I was gonna start my own business, every dollar counted. I downgraded to, you know, an apartment with two other roommates, you know? Um. I used every dollar I could to reinvest back into my business.
So I believe that if you do want something to work, anything is, I truly believe that anything is possible, but we have to walk in faith that it is. Mm-hmm.
so what I want to. Remark on, you know, pertinent to the topic of this show is that I knew you while you were doing this, and in fact, sometimes we worked together and I did not know, 'cause we rarely talked about business. We were always talking about personal stuff, right? I didn't even know what you were going through or what you were having to handle.
Yes.
as you were establishing yourself as a leader in your company. Did you experience that as difficult or lonely at the time?
Absolutely. And I think it only amplified that feeling starting my business during the pandemic. So it was loneliness, you know, on this journey of entrepreneurship and loneliness, just with the social conditions that we were living in during those times. But I'll, I'll just focus on.
Being an entrepreneur, you know, when you have a vision for your life and you are genuinely authentic and vulnerable to the desires of your vision. It's a very, very vulnerable feeling and not everyone is going to understand. Just like you said, you are my dearest, dearest friend Rachel. Like everything about you just emanates support and love and light and abundance, but not even, you could grasp like what my dream truly was, and that is not your work to do.
That that is not your job. That is truly my job. So when people say it starts with mindset, I completely and fully subscribe because the world is going to constantly test you to say, how bad do you want it? How bad do you really, really want this? And. I believe everything that I've worked through in my life, the conditions that I, you know, was raised in, sometimes I did question why life wasn't a little more entitling for me.
But I completely understand now because if you wanna do your own thing, you have a vision for your life, for your business, for your company. It's going to require that you overcome hardships. It's just an inevitable part of any journey, especially a hero's journey, um, an entrepreneur's journey. So we all have to develop this muscle, this muscle to overcome.
I know what you're talking about. When I first started my business, I mean, being a therapist wasn't hard for people to understand. They were like, oh, okay yeah, that's an understood path. But when I changed how I was working I was like, no, I'm not just a therapist. Like, here's what I'm doing with people.
Here's how that's functioning. It took a long time for people to see what I was creating. Yeah. So I, I get that like there is a loneliness in being a visionary because no one else will see it until it's already made.
Mm-hmm.
During the whole making process, you are the one alone who has to hold that.
Yes. And, um, you know, I, I'm also a DEI activist, I'm an entrepreneur and I just believe that visionary leadership means holding both the purpose and the pressure. You know, you can be ambitious and still need support so you can dream big and, and still feel doubt. That's not weakness. That's the weight of building something that matters.
Yeah. Oh my gosh. That is, that is so true. Well, let's talk about holding that weight and that has been like for you. So can you share with us a leadership decision or a leadership season that really tested you? Like a specific example,
Oh my gosh, there's so many.
right?
I, I, I'll start from the beginning. So I think, what I find really common with a lot of my entrepreneur friends and something that I had to overcome myself is building a team. Or building a dream team, getting people on board with what you're building. This can be in the sense of suppliers, contractors, teammates, board members, friends, loved ones, whoever.
This is what I tell myself. It only feels real when it's in the real world. Yeah, so we cultivate it within ourselves. We have a dream, we have a vision, you know, we can work on it late at night, you know, on our Google Docs or on our Canva, and we build a website for it. But it becomes real when we start integrating it into the real world.
And that takes people
Mm-hmm.
and, and that takes people coming on board. Um. And delegation was very, very hard for me because I was miss do it all. I could do it all. There is nothing I cannot do. I can send the email while I make a cold call, while I update the website, while I send invoices, and
that is great to get you where you need to go to a certain point. But there comes a point where you have to say, my business is so worthy of more resources. Whether that's charging more, whether that's bringing on more teammates, whether that's getting investment. My business is so worthy of investment of, of putting a team together, so we have to get, I had to get out of that
kind of like fear mindset, do it all myself, save a penny, and I, I can do it all. Because what I was eventually becoming was the own choke hold to my business. I was delaying things. I knew things could be more efficient. I knew things could be, you know, better done
Mm,
design wise.
it out of your tight little hands. 'cause you're like, no, I'm the only one who can do stuff, because that used to be the case.
Exactly, so who I was then to get where I needed to go is not who I needed to be now to grow the business. It's a huge identity shift. And so at some point I needed to stop being the leader that did it all and start being the leader that my business really needed, and to start trusting people. So I think being a good
CEO or leader is not about control. It's about trust. So I had to find the right teammates to bring onto my team. So it, it became, my mindset no longer became getting it all done. It became putting the right people in the right places. And that takes a lot of courage just internal courage to get into that mindset.
And it was very vulnerable for me to open up to people and say, Hey, I'm starting a marketing agency. Um, you know, we're a startup. This is our vision. This is what I, this is how we're going to grow and do you wanna be a part of this?
Mm. Yeah, it's, it is incredibly vulnerable, right? To
Mm-hmm.
to start something and ask people to believe in it, and then, and then trust them to help help your baby function
Mm-hmm.
right?
Yes.
Yeah.
And finding the right contractors who understand what you're trying to execute. This is a whole game as well.
how did you learn to navigate that trust?
Something I'm still learning, but I would say, I think to vouch for people quickly.
Mm-hmm.
Would require having a vetting process that I believed in. So my vetting process , metaphorically speaking, in terms of business, I would just kind of jump into bed with people and offer them these huge projects with really no idea what they were capable of or how they were going to execute.
Even if they came highly recommended or they had great, a great website or great marketing, I still didn't know how our dynamic would be, so what I've learned is to slow down is what I still tell myself. Let's just slow down and start with small projects,
Mm-hmm.
because there's a saying which is, slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
So I would get to know my contractors, whether I met them at conferences or I met them at business workshops. Referrals through friends and peers. We would start with one project, very, very small. And you can learn a lot about a person just through small interactions. And I started to learn to not overextend myself, not overextend my budget, not overextend my
my coaching. I, I used to coach suppliers, you know, like, I used to really be very, very forgiving, right? And so there's a level of accountability I had to start holding people to, which is like, do you understand where I wanna go? Are you gonna treat me like the client, you know?
Yeah, and that's, it's hard, I think, especially for women to move from this place of trying to befriend everybody so that they like us, so that we all get along to being somebody who says, Hey, this is, this is how it has to go, or else we're not gonna work together.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not really taught that, right? Like as women, we're socially conditioned to be good girls, right? To be very accommodating and very appeasing. So there's a different type of energy I had to tap into, which is a bit masculine. The business world is , not saying that this is how it should be, but the business world is very masculine, you know?
Mm-hmm.
there, there is a level of structured kind of straightforward communication that needs to be put on the table, right. Variables need to be very, very clear, and I had to start telling myself, I can't be the leader that everyone likes. I have to be the leader that my business really needs right now.
Oh yes. Yeah, we have to tend for, 'cause it's not just you, right? You have employees, you
Mm-hmm.
you, you have a business that doesn't just support you, but it is other people's livelihood and it, and it matters. And if you don't stand up for that, then everything crumbles.
Yeah, you, I am the gatekeeper of my company. My company is truly a mirror of my leadership, so there's no one else to blame but myself and that that is a very hard rite of passage. I think for leaders is to say that if something is not working well, the first place I need to look is within myself. What decision am I making or not making?
What is something that I am saying or not saying?
And that's the place where I think it gets lonely, right? I mean, it, it's, it's an important place for growth and it's amazing to, to step fully into our most adult selves. And how many people really understand? How many people can you go talk to that know what that's like or that can even call that out for you and
Hmm.
are you, are you looking in the mirror?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, because you know who's not gonna tell you that your employees or the people that you hire, and I, I also think a lot, a lot of times when there is a transition from maybe staff to leader or from employee to entrepreneur, we think that the same friend group or the same peers are going to understand what we're going through.
And unfortunately that is not the case.
Mm.
There's a new power dynamic that's put in place and the righteous leaders understand that there is a moral obligation to understand that there needs to be that power dynamic. And how can we respect that dynamic?
Yeah.
So it's not about control, it's about influence.
Yes, it is. What, what was that like? Moving from, so we, you briefly mentioned being a woman of color and being a DEI
Hmm.
advocate, was there any extra step there from somebody who our culture doesn't regard as being the authority?
Hmm.
we do it as women.
Hmm.
I'm
imagining there's an additional step, an additional piece to being somebody who is of the global majority, but not the power majority in this
Oh. That's amazing. Thank you for bringing that up.
I believe that there are a lot of unspoken dynamics that happen in any industry, and unfortunately it is around gender and race and some type of ism that even in 2025. We are still navigating. There have been so many times that I have walked into a room and I was assumed to be the manager,
Not the
uh, and not the CEO.
Mm.
And when you are already predisposed or that that judgment is already predisposed on you. It affects you. It affected me. It affected me very deeply and especially as someone who has come from nothing and is, I was still navigating my identity as a
Mm-hmm.
CEO, as a leader in my community. Yeah. As a leader of, you know, the underrepresented.
I understood that these are, these are the unspoken battles that we have to go through every day and what is not brought to the light, you know, can cultivate in the darkness, and how do we navigate that? I'm still navigating those things, but I would say affirming and owning and knowing that I am exactly where I need to be and that I deserve a seat at this table, and my opinion does matter.
And I did not get here by luck. You know, I worked for everything that I had, and I have to remind myself, I am self-made. I deserve to be here. My opinion does matter. So being surrounded by a network of people who can support you. The, this is really, really important. This is, is what changed me, is like I have a network, a sisterhood of women , which is part of your group, Soul School, that has helped me understand that I'm not alone in this.
And you also, I mean, I've seen you invest. When you first started, you weren't specifically focused on helping companies with founders of color, you
Mm-hmm.
you were just like, Hey, I've got a couple really good whale clients and we're
Yes.
make this happen. I mean, your company is highly diverse, which is amazing.
Thank you.
I know you, you've shifted to starting to talk more about
Mm-hmm.
companies with a purpose and more own your identity.
Hmm,
What
can you, what can you tell us about that? Like what would you give as advice for somebody who might be navigating the same
hmm.
pivot?
Yeah. There's a saying that money can't buy happiness, but everyone wants to find out themselves. Right. So I, I, I was very profit driven. So my company was purely focused on the service of marketing. And we marketed very large enterprise clients, so very profit driven. And I think once I hit a million, which was like my life goal, that was like my, that was my, my dream.
I said, universe, God, if I hit a million dollars, I will never complain. I'll be so grateful. That's all I want. I just want a million dollars. Um, and when I hit that goal. I started to really question what my goals were and you know, that was a very fulfilling moment. It was a huge milestone for my, my company.
We threw a party, you know, we had recognition awards and achievements all around that, and I realized there's something missing from this goal and it doesn't have a lot of heart. And so it put me on a journey, on a personal journey on finding who I really was when I was not starving and obsessed about money.
Like who, who am I beyond that money? And when I started to realize was I deeply care about my community. I am so proud of my representation and who I am, and I love being a leader and I wanted to give back. So what's so interesting is becoming a purpose driven company has brought me more revenue than being profit driven, and I would attest that to when your heart and soul, and creatives know this,
but I want everyone to know this. When you put your heart and soul into something, there is a fulfillment beyond resources, right? It's an emotional fulfillment, and we need that passion when times get hard, because passion is what drives us through the hard times.
mm That is very true and very wise.
So I started incorporating a lot more of my passion into my company. And I started to cultivate more like-minded leaders and my network. It just feels so much more fulfilling these days.
and probably less lonely.
Definitely. Yeah, because it, it requires a level of vulnerability to say, this is what I'm passionate about. Do you feel the same? I care about DEI. You know, I care about uplifting the community. Do you care?
Yeah. I think that's a really good moment for us to pivot to talk about the private ledger, which is a segment we are always going to be doing on the show,
Hmm.
because at the top, no one sees your balance sheet of burdens. So here
Hmm.
we open the private ledger to share with the audience and help people feel more understood and less alone. So can you share with us first what was, at least in the beginning, or maybe even still, one cost of being in leadership that you paid?
Okay. One cost of being in leadership that I had to pay. Would be
to completely sacrifice my, the first thing that came up for me is to completely sacrifice my ego.
Mm.
I believe personally that we get to certain levels of our business or in leadership and , it's always our ego that's being tested. So from the beginning, for me, it was feeling so scared to reveal my vision, thinking people were gonna steal my idea, steal my company, steal my clients. It was so closely guarded to my heart that
my ego was tested and I had to say, this is bigger than me, and if I want it to be real, I have to put it out there. Right.
Hmm.
and get out of that very small fear-based mindset that people are gonna just take everything from me once I put it out there.
Uh, that is very wise, and I, I haven't heard that before in this context, but
Hmm.
that, that way of being kind of, , stingy right, is so isolating, like. The, the opposite of generosity. Generosity is welcoming, it's inviting, and it's connective. And when we don't feel like we can be generous because we're scared of being injured or violated or stolen from,
Yes.
a lot of us have had those experiences in the past,
Yes, definitely.
that defensiveness is actually part of what keeps people isolated. So it sounds like that was a cost you paid. In the beginning and then you, then you had to learn to let go of that protectiveness.
Yes, and I, I think it strikes a beautiful balance to say my vision needs to be protected. And also I need to have the courage to say my vision is worthy of being out there.
Mm-hmm.
And those are two very validating parts of ourselves, right? They, they both, these parts of within myself needed to be understood and needed to be expressed.
So every level of my business has always tested my ego. So in the beginning it was just getting out there, it was just getting out there, getting started. When things don't go my way, which happens a lot. When I don't get the client that I want, when I am being low balled, you know, when um, someone just quit.
There's just so many things I really, there are times I really start to doubt myself. Genuine. I mean, the imposter syndrome just completely takes over and I'm, and I say to myself, is this worth it? Am I really qualified? What do, who do I think I am? So these voices that come and, and attack me in my most vulnerable moments, they're there.
They're still there. I would just say I get a lot stronger at handling those emotions.
Yeah. I love that. I read somewhere, and I, I've been citing it recently now, I can't remember the exact quote, but that our, our feeling of trust in ourself or, uh, no. How does it start? It's something about the idea that it's not about what happens, not assuming that we're always going to be safe in terms of that occur, but that we can trust in our ability to respond.
Ooh,
You've
developed the ability to respond. It's like you can't know for sure that the hire's gonna work out.
No,
know for sure that the contract's gonna resign, but you can trust because you've developed these skills that you'll be able to steer the ship.
beautifully said. I couldn't have said it better.
Thank you.
Yeah. Resilience is always saying, I will be okay. This will be okay.
and that, that kind of takes us to the next part of the private ledger, which is one invisible asset that you didn't realize you had in the beginning.
Hmm.
We already talked about resilience.
We did talk about resilience, so well, yes, we said that enough. So maybe a new nugget, a new asset that I did not know that I had.
I mean, I think I had it, but, it proved rewarding is extreme optimism.
Yeah.
We have to, we have to be kind to ourselves. You know, we have to be our biggest cheerleader. And the thing I tell a lot of, my entrepreneur friends who are starting out and I believe within myself is no one is going to vouch for you unless you vouch for yourself first.
Mm.
I have to be my biggest cheerleader.
I set the cadence.
Yeah, you really do. I mean, I've known you now for five or six years and you believed in something before anybody could see it. And it, it, it never felt pushy. It just always felt like, of course can, here's this thing. We're gonna do this. And like, you know, it's inspirational. But you inspire yourself
thank you.
and that's an amazing asset. Lots of people are seeking inspiration right? There's so many inspirational speakers and coaches that get big crowds. But how many of the people who attend actually go out and do something amazing because it's not internal, right? That's an external inspiration.
Mm-hmm.
this asset of internal inspiration.
Thank you. Yes, and I would say it has fueled me during my darkest hours. It is so beautiful for people to have mentors or have life coaches they subscribe to, to have a therapist. You are my spiritual teacher and life coach, Rachel. So when I am in my shadows, you know how to get me out. And for that I'll forever be so loyal and so grateful to you.
Yes, yes, I love you.
I love
But I would say the biggest voice cannot be Rachel. I, I wish I could put Rachel in my pocket. I think she's, I think she's working on something where we can more to come coming soon, but I will say that
This is what happens when you have a marketer as your first guest.
coming soon, Rachel, in your pocket. But I would say I, I know that I need to be my biggest cheerleader because, uh. I am the one who makes the call. My mind, mind, body, and spirit make the call.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah, I, I just knew that at a very early age , to just always be rooting for myself. I think it's the life of the underdog.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah,
Mm-hmm.
of people are underdogs that don't make the leaps that you've made. You were the underdog and you saw big, big steps, big leaps, and you said, well, why not me?
Why not me? Why not me?
Mm-hmm.
It's a muscle. It's a muscle.
are buff as heck.
Thanks, girl.
Side note, we have weight lifted together and Angela is the person you want with you screaming lightweight.
Easy work. Let's go.
So let's talk about then in the private ledger, the last thing. What is one investment that you're making now for your wellbeing, for your soul?
Oh, this is an easy one. That's why I'm saying, yeah. Okay. And investment I am making in myself this season is to know that I am the power and my life comes first. So in my twenties I sacrificed my twenties to my job. A lot of people do. Right? But work was first, work was before family, work was before fun.
Mm-hmm.
well this is not everyone, but I think for, for people out there.
it often is.
For the high performers, work comes first, everything else, second, third, maybe not even on the list. So now that I am in my late thirties and doing the work that I'm doing with Rachel, I will say I found that there is a space, there is a space for balance.
There is a space for balance. And when the CEO is happy, everyone is happy. And finding my own joy.
happy? Yeah, tell us. I'm waiting with bated breath.
Right.
What is it?
Well, the investment that I'm making in myself is to invest in places outside of business. So when it's so full, when I was so solely focused on business, it, it was good for my business, but what I lacked from it was a community that I could really count on for friendship, for moral support. I had a very transactional Rolodex.
Mm.
Nothing wrong with that. We need that. We need that to make businesses go. But I would say in this season I have more of a relational Rolodex and it changes the complete flavor of the business. Right? It's, it's what fuels the passion part of being a purpose driven marketing agency. It changes my work as a DEI advocate.
It's being invited to the organizations that I am, I care about. And seeing how we can do business together. And cultivating friendships that do eventually lead to business, but it starts with friendship first, and that's going to dance festivals, that's, you know, having amazing conversation at dinner.
That's, you know, genuinely asking how someone's family is and truly caring. So it's as simple as that. But. It's been a game changer for me to be relationship first.
And it does take a lot of investment time. I, I've been relationship first the
Mm-hmm.
time
talked about this. Yes. Yes.
and, and I don't regret anything but it, it wasn't, it's not as financially lucrative or it wasn't for me 'cause I was really invested in my friends. It takes a lot of time
Mm-hmm.
and, and that is a choice I've made that I'm happy with. But let's not say that that's not an investment. It is, it
It's
is to be relationship Rolodex instead of
mm-hmm.
transactional Rolodex.
Yeah. Yeah. And people just, you like people more people like you more. Right. And that's what it's all about.
And it's also less lonely.
Yes. To bring it home. It, I am, it is definitely less lonely. I've been searching and rediscovering connection.
Mm, I love that. And it sounds like the connection you've been discovering is really coming. More home fully to yourself. Like my identity is part of who I am. You know, my identity as the child of immigrant parents,
Hmm,
as a, DEI , focused business owner. And that's something that is bringing you more connection.
yes, because, I had to have the courage to put my real values out there. Like, this is what I care about. And when you are able to put your authentic self at the table or present yourself as authentically as you can, you call upon your tribe.
Yes.
It takes vulnerability to call upon your true tribe.
Yeah, because then what if they don't come to me? What if they don't see me? What if they reject me? Like those are the fears that
I,
have,
that's the, that's the small minded fear voice that gets. That gets stuck in us and tells us that we have to be a cookie cutter, cer certain type of way. We have to behave a certain type of way. If we want love, we want my connection. We want friendship. But the truth is, can we show up as authentically and as genuine as we can be?
And the people that love us or who want to be near us, they'll find us. It's your calling card. It was my calling card to say, I really care. I really care about DEI, I really care about my community. I wanna uplift the underrepresented, I want my marketing agency to be more than about money.
I want it to be purpose driven.
I love it. I love it. Let me ask you the perspective, shifting question
Yes.
What do you wish, because you, you're encountering a lot of leaders, you
Mm-hmm.
the whole time in your, in your company, and now even more so with this relationship Rolodex, what do you wish more leaders felt permission to say out loud?
I wish more leaders felt permission to say, I have a vision, and it is so big that it scares me,
Hmm.
and sometimes I feel alone in it. I think it takes an amount, a huge amount of vulnerability to admit that, and I think more leaders could come together and say, how can I serve?
How can I help? Instead of all this posturing. All this
i've got it all together,
Yes, yes, exactly. No, we know you don't. We know you don't.
We know you don't, but when you act like you don't need help, don't realize you need help. You know?
Yes.
it's the ask for help.
Mm-hmm. Even if it's ask for help, to create something, to execute your vision, to, to step out and be loud and create,
Hmm,
we also need help with that.
yes. Because there are so many amazing people in this world who have great integrity, who have good hearts, who have a vision that can amplify that integrity, but sometimes it never gets executed. And guess who gets ex whose visions get executed? The loudest. The loudest in the room.
Need help. Yeah,
Yeah.
really do. You know, I remember in the beginning you saw that in me, you were like, I see that you're doing great work, but you are not asking for, nor getting any help in telling people about it.
Mm-hmm.
So
Mm-hmm.
how can my agency actually help you with this? was like, oh no.
I said, I,
Mm-hmm.
know, unless you have a spare $20,000, it doesn't feel like you can just say, Hey, I don't know how to pay for this,
Mm-hmm.
I need help getting my vision out there in the world.
Mm-hmm.
you
were the first person, I think, to see that in me and say there's other ways.
Yeah, and that says nothing bad about you. You are feeling what so many people are feeling. And I even told you, I was like, it's just because you have such a high level of integrity. You don't wanna manipulate anyone. You don't want to lead anyone astray. Like you wanna have the most authentic, honest conversation about needing support, whether it's financial services, whatever resources.
But I think
And I,
I think there was an isolating
Hmm.
aspect that was coming from fear,
Mm-hmm.
right? What
Mm-hmm.
if I in some way impose on somebody and they feel uncomfortable? Or if, what if I ask and people say no, and then they think less of me because I didn't
Mm-hmm.
have it all together myself.
'cause that was my family's message too, was
Yeah.
want it done, you better do it yourself.
Hmm. Wow. Yeah.
So here we are, two people who've built, companies
Yes,
who came from families who said, Hey, you, you gotta do it. No one else is gonna help you do it. Who said, you know what? We're gonna , we find each other, we find community.
yes. And I mean, I don't know anyone more vulnerable and more capable than you, Rach, so.
That's very sweet.
Hmm.
Thank you. I think you're up there. I think you, you are up there sharing your story and inspiring people with your vulnerability.
Thank you,
I'm
gonna bring us home. I'm gonna bring us home with this question. This is the, uh, how we're gonna end every interview. It's the time machine.
I'm gonna open the door to the time machine.
and I'm walking
So
it.
you are. Yeah, you're walking in. Okay. So you're gonna go back in time. What will you say to yourself earlier in your career?
I would tell myself earlier in my career
that my power, my growth in my career, everything I ever wanted influence basically, is within myself. I don't need some type of external validation to tell me who I am. I am who I am, and I wish I would've known that sooner and just get started on my business sooner. Um, made the deals that I made sooner.
If I just hadn't completely just owned that, I do not need someone's permission to be great.
Hmm.
I think younger Angie would've had an easier time with her self-worth and who she was and where she was going, and what path she thought she needed to take in corporate if she would've just known she was worthy from the beginning. Yeah, that's what I would tell myself.
that's the sound my heart's making. Ah,
Oh,
I love it. I love
yes.
Thank you so much for coming and sharing your journey and your wisdom with us. I know this is going to connect with quite a number of people and maybe we'll have another conversation someday when you're at your, at your 10 million mark.
Yes, for sure. Coming soon. Yes, yes.
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