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Matt:So here it is. Here's the deal. After months, maybe even years of tensions where we had the country of Iran attack militia groups, attack United States allies and troops in The Middle East, and having threats going back and forth between the various nations. It happened on 06/21/2025. Operation Operation Midnight Hammer was launched and what took place?
Matt:The United States Of America struck Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities. They went on to take they took out Iranian nuclear plants in the town in the cities of Fordo, Nandans and Ishfaan. And seven B2 Sprint bombers flew an eighteen hour mission across the globe carrying 14 massive ordnance penetrators, their first combat use ever against Fordo and Nance. And long story short, The United States attacked Iran, entering the conflict between Iran and Israel and now entering well, let's say it. The United States entered a war over this past weekend.
Matt:Ryan, not even two days after we broke it down for a half an hour, President Trump took his two weeks and he decided to attack Iran. Iran. And he addressed the nation at 10:00 on Saturday night. Here we are. And well, as I said, the B 50 twos, they attacked those facilities.
Matt:Pentagon officials described the attack as a military success with extreme severe damage to Iran's nuclear infrastructure. Iran IAEA confirmed no abnormal radiation detected and this officially was aimed to obliterate Iran's nuclear enrichment capability not to change the regime. President Trump warned Iran to make peace or face even greater precision strikes and the immediate aftermath of this, right? Iran response overnight and pledge quote regrettable responses and is reportedly weighing steps like closing the straight of Hormuz, a major a major river for trading, right? We had Iran say that what's the term called stem?
Matt:What? How do pronounce it? It that they launched.
Ryan:I'm sorry. Which one?
Matt:You're the one who sent me pretty much. They're not spies but they let stem. What's the term Get this right.
Ryan:Oh, I mean, they've got I mean, they got all of their various militia groups that they can use to attack American bases. So the Houthis, the Hezbollah Hamas, which isn't I mean, maybe not Hamas, but the other ones are still around. Right. There's a few others. Yeah.
Matt:Right. And they also respect. But yes, there's that. And at this moment, the time we're recording here on late Sunday night, June 22 in terms of global reactions, Russia, China, the European Union, and the UN called for the escalation and diplomacy at this time. Israel welcomed The United States action seeing it as part of its broader campaign and yeah, there's about 40,000 troops that were notified that are stationed in the Middle East, but they do expect retaliations from this.
Matt:So that's what we have here. I understand all the various concerns with this, especially for those who have or friends of ours that are stationed in The Middle East. Those are our family members and, you know, the well-being of other people. It's definitely understandable to be in fear of what's going to go on and what can exactly happen but if there's anything I can offer, I do want to just show two clips. I understand on social media, there's a lot of people out here giving their take and stuff and you know, it's fine except the people who are ridiculous about it and are straight up lying about it but I just want to show in terms of what this means for the future is this going to cause a world war?
Matt:Is this going to cause a major you know, major continued major conflicts? I just want to show this guy, John Cho, right? John Cho. Somewhat, he is a teacher and a growing influencer and I believe somebody who does is a credible source. I have two clips to play.
Matt:Number one, are we going into World War three? Here's his take on it.
John Cho:Four three. No. And I'll tell you why. If you've been paying attention, you know that there have been missiles exchanged between Iran and Israel on June with Israel targeting Iran's supposed nuclear facilities. Well, why is this important?
John Cho:Because in 1970, there was a pact made by a 190 nation. In that pact, it was agreed that no one could have nuclear weapons except for five countries, the US, the UK, Russia, China, and France. You notice I didn't say Israel. That's because Israel was not part of that 190 a nation pact, and it is believed that Israel does have somewhere around a 100 nukes. Well, why is World War three not gonna happen?
John Cho:Because of Russia and China. They have only offered words of support to Iran, nothing else. As of right now, Russia and China is not offering any military support to Iran even though Russia has verbally condemned Israel's actions. I think the real key here is gonna be Pakistan. Pakistan has already said verbally that if Israel uses their nukes against Iran, that Pakistan would help Iran.
John Cho:And if Pakistan joins the war, most likely, India would join the war in favor of the Israelis. And so far, there have been no indications that those two nations have any intent on joining this skirmish. And as far as The United States is concerned, yes, president Trump did say that we bombed three of Iran's nuclear facilities. However, the idea of bombing Iran's nuclear facilities is to prevent World War three by disarming Iran, and I don't believe that Russia and China are gonna get involved. Russia, as you know, has much bigger issues of their own to deal with.
John Cho:So, no, I don't think World War three is gonna happen.
Matt:So with that first take there and continued on, and one of the thing talking points we talked about on the show on the last recap is regarding Russia, China, North Korea's involvement. Because if there were going to be a World War three, that those nations would join Iran's side. Now, the moment has happened. Yeah. As I mentioned and by the way, that was recorded within the last twenty four hours.
Matt:That clip, this one was recorded about twelve hours ago at the time of this recording and what are those nations thinking besides the report I read from the Associated Press? So, here's his take there. And the question, explain why Russia, China, and North Korea aren't getting involved.
John Cho:Explain why Russia, China, and North Korea aren't getting involved in this Iranian Israeli conflict and why there will be no World War three. Sure. First, China. As of 2023, as you can see in this chart, this is Iran's or Iran's crude oil exports. 2018, you noticed that a lot of European nations and India backed out.
John Cho:So as of 2023, Iran's main importer of Iran's oil is China. And how does China get that oil from Iran even though there are all kinds of sanctions on Iran right now? A lot of times, they have to sneak it through this area, the Strait Of Hormuz. When China is buying up
Matt:Sorry. I mispronounced that the first time, but, yes, that's straight again.
John Cho:There's no way they want to see a conflict here in this area. It would mean an economic disaster for China. And I don't know if you know this or not, but China is experiencing their own economic problems right now. China has also not recognized Iran as a formal ally. China did broker a peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia recently, so they do have some negotiating strength in the Middle East, but that's all China's doing.
John Cho:They are just talking. They will not send any military personnel to Iran to help them out. As for Russia, I don't know if you know this, but recently, Russia just hit the 1,000,000 mark when it comes to casualties in their war with Ukraine. And, again, same thing with China. It's all talk right now with Russia.
John Cho:They condemned Israel for their actions. They said, yeah. What they're doing is terrible, but they're not doing anything about it. The only country that is stepping up to do anything about it is The United States. And don't get me started on North Korea, please.
John Cho:The only country that North Korea cares about is North Korea. If a conflict doesn't
Ryan:It sounds correct.
John Cho:Directly impact
Ryan:Oh, okay.
John Cho:North Korea's interest, they're not getting involved. And not to be facetious or anything, but North Korea can't even build missiles that don't land in the water. So everybody worried about World War three right now. It just rocks. It's not gonna happen.
Matt:Thank you, mister Cho. And I got one more just if you didn't believe in mister Cho for some reason, I have one more about, again, the low chances of a major world conflict. Geo Hauser, we have right here. Let's see what he has on this, and that'll be that with the
Geoff:Iran's chances of developing the nuclear bomb. No. It is not The US entered the Iran war and obliterated Iran's chances of developing the nuclear bomb. No. It is not World War III.
Geoff:We are further from it than we've ever been. Remember that a world war is something that has to be waged by an enemy that can produce the scale of warfare as their opponent. Iran, Russia, not even China can still produce the scale of warfare as The United States along with all of NATO. Iran's bargaining chip with the West and most of the world was their lack of pursuit of a nuclear program even though they were doing so in secret. That is not on the table anymore.
Geoff:So what does Iran have? Almost 70% of their missile launcher capacity is gone. About 60 to 70% of their missile capacity, ballistic and otherwise, are gone. And The United States just showed the world that they had the firepower to do what no other country could by dropping the GBU 57 a slash b bunker buster, which was capable of getting about 60 or 70 meters into the ground. But they didn't just drop one, they dropped 12 of them along with 30 Tomahawk missiles to destroy the Fordo nuclear site and two others.
Geoff:So far, Saudi Arabia's nuclear regulator says that there has been no radioactive traces from the destruction of these nuclear sites. Of course, Iran's leadership vows retaliation. They are urging attack on all US forces in the surrounding areas, and now they are threatening to close the Strait Of Hormuz. Iran could not defend its most fortified nuclear facilities in their country with whatever military hardware and troops that they had left. What chance do they think they stand against the United States Navy if they wanna open up
Ryan:Turn this idiot off. Strait Of Hormuz. While Russia Why you
Matt:don't like Iran? We're gonna finish.
Geoff:We gotta listen to everybody. Abandoning the strategic agreement they had in January. All China wants is oil from that Strait Of Hormuz. So if Iran actually shuts that down, they will offend China. If America opens it back up through force, China will be happy.
Geoff:Of course, China's official response would be, we are against US involvement. This is a wrong thing, blah blah blah. But as long as oil is staying under $75 a barrel, they'll be pretty quiet. Now the question is, is The United States role in this war done since Iran is no longer a nuclear threat? There are concerns that Iran's opponent will continue to bomb Iran because they want to now destroy their ballistic missile program, which does make sense if you are Iran's enemy.
Geoff:But there is no need for The United States to bomb their ballistic missile program because Iran's opponent has already taken care of everything that is not more than 90 meters underground. I have heard this ridiculous argument from some fairly pro Iranian supporters that Iran has merely been showing restraint, but now that this has happened, they are no longer going to. Okay, let's see what happens because if Iran keeps performing in the same manner after today, guess what? You all were horrendously wrong, and Iran is not even a paper tiger. They are a paper mouse.
Geoff:And the same exact thing goes for Russia. And what about China? Well, they're still crapping their pants because America just had a breakthrough with not a hypersonic missile, a hypersonic aircraft, which is something that China is nowhere near close to. A couple days ago, I made a post about how it's not World War three, and I'll attach it in the captions. You should definitely watch it.
Geoff:The only thing I've gotten wrong in that post was that I didn't think that The US was going to get involved in the actual bombing of Iran. But Iran's opponent did not Most at all. Have the capability to destroy the Fordo site, so they had to rely on us. One thing I will still say with a 100% confidence, and I will die on this hill, is that this is not World War three. We haven't been involved in World War three.
Geoff:This has just been a long campaign to crush whatever military and diplomatic influence the Axis has. I am the Gio Hussar. I barely posted today because I was just trying to spend the time with my wife and kids. Thanks for watching.
Matt:Alright, Ryan. From your interruption, does it seem like you were, keen on
Ryan:what you're Alright.
Matt:So what was he wrong about? Ryan, what was he wrong about? So
Ryan:first and foremost, Okay. Matt, if you wanna defend him, defend him first, and then I'll go.
Matt:There's nothing to defend my agree. There's I just agree. The idea it's the idea that this isn't gonna turn into a major world war. That's the point. And with various sources that he did cite and showed, I don't see why there's some why he's not credible.
Matt:And I'm not looking here to start an argument because We
Ryan:don't have to. I agree. I agree that what happened yesterday did not start World War three. As I said, literally two days ago, World War three is not we won't know when World War three starts. It'll be a bunch of separate things and they all come together.
Ryan:And then years down the line, they'll be like, wow, that was pretty big. I'm not saying that this is a part of that or not a part of that, but no. Anyone who thinks we're about to enter World War three is wrong. I agree with that. But the idea that there's nothing that Iran can do that's going to be a problem to me is crazy.
Ryan:Almost as crazy as the idea that Russia and China are paper tigers compared to The United States Of America. In the India Pakistan Skirmish, which did happen earlier this year, we all forgot about it because it ended relatively quickly. China's aircraft went up against America's aircraft for the first time ever. Obviously, it was with Indian and Pakistani pilots, but it was still our aircraft versus China aircraft and they absolutely held their own. So that's to me, the idea that those all three of those countries are paper tigers is just on its face disqualifying.
Ryan:And again, you can have pride in your country. We are definitely still the strongest military in
Matt:world.
Ryan:That's not the case.
Matt:You'd have to show the evidence on that, But he cited his sources throughout. What's there not to believe or think? Of course, won't lie, I'm not as educated in that matter. But again, all the him and Cho showed plenty of sources on, you know I didn't disagree with Cho.
Ryan:I had no problem with Cho. I didn't disagree with him at all. I disagreed with the second guy because that second guy was hyperbolic to the extreme. No. I agree with what Cho was saying.
Ryan:North Korea is North Korea cares about attacking mostly South Korea. And if what's happening doesn't allow them to attack South Korea, then they're really not all that interested. That's true. China is probably not going to attack on Iran's behalf. Why?
Ryan:Because they're not really friends with Iran. They may go they get their oil from Iran, but that's it. Russia and Iran are actually friends, but Russia's got a massive war literally on its own border in the Ukraine. And so the idea that they can send a lot of resources right now is, I don't know, seems unlikely to me. So I'm not disagreeing again with the idea that we're on the precipice of World War three because I don't think we are.
Ryan:But first and foremost, the Strait Of Hormuz. It's not just China's oil that comes from there. 25% of global oil comes from there. 25% of global oil comes through that Strait. If they blockade the Strait Of Hormuz, everybody, us included, are going to watch the gas prices soar from $75 a barrel, like he said, dollars a barrel, etcetera, etcetera.
Ryan:That's going to create a massive problem for everyone. And then number two, his basically, he said, and if they do that, if they're dumb enough to do that, if they're dumb enough to attack us, bomb them again. The problem with that is we did was in violation of the of what the UN is supposed to be about. They didn't attack us. Iran was never a threat to The United States Of America as this as the second guy pointed out correctly.
Ryan:They did not have the capacity to hit us with any of these weapons. They had the capacity to hit Israel. Yeah. I could see why Israel wanted to attack them. But we had absolutely no issues with Iran.
Ryan:I mean, they're a nuisance and they they fund terrorism, so it's not no issues, but they were not a direct threat as a nation to The United States Of America or any of its citizens. And we attacked them basically unprovoked on behalf of another nation. When you talk about the nukes, by the way, Israel, as we pointed out, Mr. Cho did, didn't sign the test ban treaty. So we're enforcing a nuclear treaty on behalf of a country who's not even in the nuclear treaty.
Ryan:It does not make any sense. So to answer the actual question, which is I think what you were trying to do, anyone who says this is World War three is being hyperbolic. It's not World War three. We've dropped one bomb. That's it.
Ryan:Or 12 bombs, but you know what I mean. We had one bombing campaign. If we stop there, they're gonna attack us back. They're probably gonna make all of our gas cost a lot more, but that's it. And then we let it go.
Ryan:If we don't let it go, if we decide that we're gonna forcibly reopen this from who's if we decide that any attack on an American after we attacked them first is gonna result in another round of bombings, then it becomes a problem. Because then now we're actively engaged in combat. And besides that alone being an issue, we were in the wrong to begin with. We attacked them to begin with. They were not a credible threat, as both people that we just listened to have stated.
Ryan:But we attack them anyway. There is absolutely no reason for that. And so, what I would say to the people who are fear mongering, stop. Because what you are doing is you are making it harder for people understand the gravity of what is actually happening. It doesn't have to be World War three for this to be in a bad situation for Americans, for America, The Middle East in general, etcetera.
Ryan:But for the people who are going way to make content, basically trying to get as many clips as the fearmongers, calling the fearmongers ignorant or whatever. I mean, listen. End of the day, the silence makes the tanks roll faster. That's true. It's always been true throughout history.
Ryan:People not admitting what they're seeing with their own eyes is how people continue to take advantage of other countries, how wars continue to start, and how Americans, be they diplomats, soldiers, or citizens, continue to die in these far off places surrounded by people who they don't even know. So I I just to me, I think we need to be a little bit more realistic about this. And, you know, it's fine to have optimism, but we can't be Pollyanna about a freaking war in The Middle East. Our entire childhood, Matt, we've been at war in The Middle East. Four years ago, we ended a war in The Middle East, and now we are standing at the precipice of yet another war in The Middle East.
Ryan:How many of these caskets have to fly into DC every year over nothing? Every single one of these wars has been for nothing. We went to Iraq for no reason. And now, the same guy who is critiquing everybody for doing that, just bombed a country that was basically so far out of our league. Like, it's insane how not in our league Iran was.
Ryan:So you if we wanna be real, let's be real. George Hafiz or whatever his name is is right. Iran is not in our league. So basically, we're the asshole who walked up to the kid who can't defend himself and kicked him in the throat. And we did it because our friends asked us to.
Ryan:When did The United States start taking orders from other people? And yes, maybe there's no gonna be any bombs falling here in, you know, in DC where I live. Good. I'm glad. Personally, very happy that I don't have to worry about that.
Ryan:That doesn't make it okay. That's not that's not where we're drawing the line with. Oh, as long as no American on American soil is going to be hurt directly, all is well. No. We should hold ourselves to a better standard.
Ryan:We wanna be the biggest, baddest country in the planet, we can do that. But that comes with some responsibility. It's responsibility that our administration has advocated. And frankly, as I've been seeing online, more than half of the American people have advocated, and it's disgusting. There you
Matt:agree with you. And I said from the start, I don't wanna be in this I don't want us to be in this war either. And all I'm just saying is, of course, it's terrible and we have to live with these problems of the Middle East. And like you said, we've grown up our whole lives talking about our tensions with that whole region. And all I wanted just to show again was an alternative to the fear mongering, as you said.
Matt:And yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion on how they feel, whether they're pro or against what the Trump administration decided to do and yeah, I agree with you bro. I don't want this. I didn't want this to be this way. I didn't want to you know, make another show out of this out of this but it's in the history books and I admire your passion and keep that going and the only thing I also I would like to ask is what solutions can we come from here That's in your opinion, you know, those boxes has been opened. From here?
Matt:So where do we go from here?
Ryan:Yeah. From here, unfortunately, it's gonna require American restraint, something we didn't display last time. The answer has been the same every time. If America doesn't show, you know, show up, then it stays a regional conflict in The Middle East. End of conversation.
Ryan:We showed up once. They're going to do something to us. I think it's I think it's insane. This is why mister mister Chu, I was good with. It's insane to pretend Iran is going to sit down and let this happen.
Ryan:Alright? They are a theocracy, meaning the supreme leader, the Ayatollah, is a religious and government figure. They are basically a dictatorship in very many ways. If he sits back and does nothing, it's very likely that his own people will get rid of him. That's what happens when you when you rule that way, and there's a couple people in Washington who might wanna take notes about this just in case they had any fun ideas.
Ryan:When you rule through fear and power, the only way you get out of is in a body bag. So he can't be weak if he looks weak. And yeah, we might kill him. We don't, they will. So he's going to do something.
Ryan:When that we'll have a choice to make. Do nothing and say, that's it. You took your best shot, it off because you're tiny and we're huge. Now come to the negotiating table and get this thing settled before it gets any worse. Or what we will do because of who we have in charge, we'll respond to that.
Ryan:We'll escalate again. And eventually, if you escalate enough, someone else is gonna jump in. If not if for another reason it's to stop the escalation because it's costing them money or or manpower or whatever. Someone is going to jump in to stop the escalation if we decide to escalate with somebody who can't even lace our boots. It's that's the problem.
Ryan:The only way out is restraint, and we can't expect the Ayatollah to have restraint. If we could, we wouldn't be in this situation because he wouldn't have been enriching uranium as fast as he was. We can't ask Israel to show restraint because, I mean, no offense to Israel, they have never shown any restraint. That is not something that they do. Right?
Ryan:We are the only people at this point who are involved who can show restraint and say enough. Not at gunpoint, not say enough, you don't do anything and you make peace or else. No. Diplomacy by gunpoint never works. Threatening somebody into the negotiating table is a recipe for them to break their negotiation because you brought them there by gunpoint.
Ryan:Of course, they don't they're not into it. You forced it. We are the ones who have to back down now. We have to say, we told you we could destroy your bunker and we did. And when after they hit us, that's what we have to continue to say.
Ryan:We won't do it, and that's why this is a problem. And I know I would love to say we might do it. I thought we might. I thought two weeks ago by and we wouldn't do anything. Genuinely, I did.
Ryan:I was kind of of the mind that Trump wouldn't attack Iran because, again, why? He doesn't give a shit.
Matt:As in I thought it'd be easy ways we've seen so far in the first five months of this administration that what is the problem in the Trump administration for the week, whether it's an ICE, whether it's a list of problem. And then that's how our minds would get off it. But he did that two days after we had the conversation. And
Ryan:he always says that. He says two weeks, right? Because he knows in two weeks time, we'll be talking about something different. So he's like, yeah, two weeks, we'll come back to it. Then he just I thought this was going to happen.
Ryan:Yeah, yeah, exactly. I thought that's what was going to because it's it's happened a million times, and it's annoying. But it wasn't war with Iran. But, obviously, on this particular front, he decided not to do that. And I have to take that to mean that this he's serious about this.
Matt:Yeah.
Ryan:He does wanna attack them. And so I don't believe
Matt:And there's plenty of contradictions to show from pre president Trump tweets and all of that. But I think it just shows and campaign promises, regarding not starting a war in The Middle East. And, yeah, it's just if there's anything to reflect on, just, you know, always take a grain of salt with politicians. But, again, water is wet. You should have seen that coming anyways.
Ryan:Well, yeah. But I I do think we should say this. Like, politicians all lie. We've said that on this show, of course. But a lot of times, if we talk about this offline, those lies are in service of like, I don't want to say something that's I hate this phrase.
Ryan:It's a Trump phrase, but I'm going to use it. Directionally true. Right? So Donald Trump, first time around, said, we're gonna build a wall and Mexico's gonna pay for it. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Ryan:The wall's not there. Mexico put up no money for the parts of the wall that are there.
Matt:However, we
Ryan:did remember. Yeah, we all remember. And then they said that we're not going to pay for it. He goes, now it's 10 feet higher. And everybody loved that.
Ryan:They cheered like it was the Super Bowl. Anyway, my point is, while we didn't build a wall, we did put some of the toughest immigration enforcement regulations ever. We did the kids in cages, we separated families, all that stuff was around that time period. Right? And then you go, Biden, he was gonna get rid of student loan debt.
Ryan:Well, I'm a student. I still got loan debt. Didn't work. Yeah. However, he did try and he expanded the, you know, the federal payoff for if you work in like a nonprofit or for the federal government for five years, six years, they'll pay off however much.
Ryan:He expanded programs off more people's debt. Did he cancel debt promise? No. But it was he was focused on trying to get rid of student debt to some degree. Donald Trump in this pain said, we are going to end the war in Ukraine on day one.
Ryan:Now, obviously, anyone who believed that his first in office, he was going to end a war between Russia and Ukraine is stupid. Sorry. But I'm gonna say it. If you believed it'd take one day to end a three year conflict, you don't know what you're talking about. However, the idea is had he been following the normal pattern, he would have been a pro peace candidate, trying to end wars, trying to negotiate, trying to be a stronger force in foreign policy.
Ryan:This is the opposite of that. He said he was going to fix the problem with Israel in in Gaza. Not only is that not fixed, now Iran is fighting in the Middle East. He said he was gonna fix Russia and Ukraine. Not only is that still going on, Russia's ally in the Middle East just got hit by The US.
Ryan:He did the opposite. It's one thing not to do your promise. It's another thing to do the opposite of what you promised. And that to me is what's annoying to me because it's not because we're we're gonna paint it as all politicians lie. And, yes, they do.
Ryan:I agree. But, like, we should be just clear about this. This is not just, oh, he lied. Like, or no, he, you know, he made a promise he couldn't keep. He literally did the opposite of what he promised to do.
Ryan:The opposite. Like, how do you how do you trust a guy who does the opposite of what they promised? Not even you know what I mean? I I don't know. I just don't understand that everyone's got all this faith in this man still.
Ryan:And I don't I don't understand. I get it. We all hated her. We all hated Joe. Democrats suck.
Ryan:I agree, frankly. But really? We still trust this guy now? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Matt:You know how the Colts are. Know how the Colts are. I do think we had a this has been quality and I do think we heard various perspectives. And whether again you disagree or not at the end of the day, all we want is people to be safe and have some diplomacy one way or the other. So, I'm just going to ask one more question, Ryan.
Matt:Is there anything else you want to reflect on during this matter? Because I do think we're about to hit the thirty minute mark. I think it's good to leave it right there.
Ryan:I do want to say something very, very fast because I've been super negative on this show, you've all heard. Thing that is true Yeah. I know. But one thing that's true and remains true when I say it, when mister Chu says it, when the other dude says it, geopolitics is messy and it's complicated. I'm not a geopolitical expert.
Ryan:I don't care what you teach in your history class, you are not a geopolitical expert. No one talking on the Internet is a geopolitical expert. The actual geopolitical experts, you know what they're not doing? Talking. Why?
Ryan:Because it would right. Because it'd be a very, very bad idea for them to start talking because that's when, like, military plans get leaked. Right? So I do think everyone needs to keep that in mind. We don't no one knows how this will all pan out.
Ryan:Nobody. There is a world where the Ayatollah does nothing, and his people might even depose him, like I suggested. And then someone else is in charge of Iran. Now we said that that's not what we were trying to do. It might just happen anyway.
Ryan:So I think it's important that we keep that, excuse me, keep that in mind. That we can all talk about what we think is going to happen, but these are complex situations, sometimes centuries in the making. And we have to be open to the idea that we don't know what we don't know. And if more people did that, I think we'd be in a much better spot than we are right now. But while we can't stop other people from doing it and ask our listeners to take a stock of what they don't know and understand that you can have an opinion, but it's not an expert opinion just because you had it.
Ryan:I think that that's important information that we this is a complex issue and people are gonna get stuff wrong. I was I was included.
Matt:That's true. At the end of the day, just use your critical thinking skills and use your head. That's all I have to say with that and we're going to wrap it up there. We have a great week of shows, shows every single day of this week. Obviously, this Monday, we on this Monday, we have this reaction, instant reaction.
Matt:Iran, United States attacks Iran. Tweet cap Tuesday. Wednesday, we have a sports tweet cap. Thursday, we have two shows, an NBA draft first round reaction, and we got a regular tweet cap. Sorry, on Thursday.
Matt:And we have a magic mind special episode which you'll figure out. We're gonna make it fun and positive. Yeah. And then we have a tweet cap on Friday. Then we're actually gonna take all that next week off for the fourth of July holiday.
Matt:I hope you can enjoy that week as much as you can. At least this happened now, Ryan, not the week off.
Ryan:Yeah. And not not while we were trying to enjoy our holiday. No. Yeah. I agree.
Ryan:I thought for sure it was gonna happen that week, to be honest with you. So I was actually wrong about that. If you listen to definitely listen to our episode from But, yeah, I said it was gonna happen that week just because we were trying to take vacation. So little victories, right? We didn't have to we don't have to come while we're, you know, away.
Matt:The little victories indeed. But we'll see you throughout the week. Stay safe out there. God bless. And, you know, we're here for we're here for our troops.
Matt:We're here supporting them most of all
Ryan:for everybody.
Matt:They're affected the most. Yeah. It's everybody.
Ryan:Yes.
Matt:See you later.