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A few anime heads from the Datfeelin Podcast Network and the Saturday Night Nerds figured it was time to get together and put out a show for not only the hardcore anime watchers, but also the casual ones as well. Join Mac aka YaBoy, Deante the Giant, and Kenpachi Zaraki as they dedicate each episode to breaking down some of the most beloved anime. From discussing the creator of the story/manga, to exploring the animation studios behind their anime adaptations, we do what we can to grow a community of anime fans! Whether you're a sucker for the classics, or new to the game, this is a spot for everyone!
Ladies and gentlemen, I know it's been a while since you've seen us, been kinda over a month. Life happens. We're trying to be flexible, be fluid, and things like that, but, I'm being selfish. I could wait till, my co host, Deontay and Kimpachi, we we square something up. But I I just need to talk anime, and the the world just seemed to align because a very good friend of mine, Jackie, is back.
Mac:Well, she was overseas, you know, serving the country, everything. She's back here. And, the time difference is still a thing, but not as big as it was. And I was like, who else would wanna talk anime? So, you know, I just threw a lifeline out there, and she she picked up, and here she is now formally.
Mac:We would be, remember back in the good old days, Saturday Night Nerds, and we're sitting there, like, bullshit until, like, 5 in the morning.
Jacci:Oh, gosh. Those are those are the fun days. So
Mac:Bro, it's like 5
Jacci:in a month.
Mac:Jesus, what are we even talking? Why is this podcast 5 hours long? We gotta we gotta chop this thing up. But,
Jacci:when we first started.
Mac:I know. But, ladies and gentlemen, welcome, my friend, Jackie, to eat the cake anime. What's up? How you doing? How you doing?
Jacci:Good, man. Working, living in Vegas, trying not to spend all my money.
Mac:Or wind money? You going to you hit Yeah. And all that good stuff?
Jacci:No. No, man. We just moved. I can't I gotta
Mac:Got it.
Jacci:Keep buying stuff for the house. So I'm trying, man.
Mac:100% understandable. Well, so this episode, obviously, we're talking j j k, all that good stuff. And like we do every time, we're gonna, you know, briefly talk about the manga, obviously, the creator of the story, some of the inspirations that they got, and then, kinda compare it to all time manga sales when you're looking at it because manga's been around for a while. Obviously, you got your big hitters and stuff like that. But, some of these newer animes and these mangas that are coming out, I think they're getting a super push because, you know, it it started to be more accepted, I guess, worldwide and not just over in Japan and and those countries over there.
Mac:But without further ado, let me go ahead and bring in the opening to episode 3 of Eat the Cake Anime. Ladies and gentlemen, we're back. Episode 3, eat the cake anime. We are talking none other than jujutsu kaisen. Another one of these animes that I will say, kinda help him push the, the popularity of the genre over here in the states.
Mac:Unless you've been under a rock or just not into anime at all, I don't think there's a lot of people that have not heard about, this property. And, if anything, at least the memes of, my man Gojo out here taking his blindfold off, stealing everybody's girl with his crystal aquafina, blue eyes, and all that good stuff. And
Jacci:And that's daddy.
Mac:Oh my god. So funny funny story before we get started. You know, the the movie, 0 is coming out. Right? Yep.
Mac:My wife hasn't watched any of the anime, but she knows me and my daughter watching it. We're gonna go watch. She's like, I'll support you nerds. I'll go with you. Right?
Mac:So as we're, you know, we're in, the mall trying to buy, you know, our our j j k shirts to wear there. She's like, what's the what's the name of the the beautiful guy with the blue eyes? I'm like, how do you even know this? Do you even watch? How do you even know this?
Mac:So, that alone in and of itself, you know, when people who don't even watch it kinda know of people and stuff like that. Like she knows, you know, one piece she hasn't watched it, but she knows about luffy. Right? She barely dabbles in demon slayer. She knows about Tanjiro.
Mac:So it's when characters from a property achieve that level of, like, of being known without people partaking or knowing of their their property. Like, that's when you kinda know you made it. Right? That's when you know you made it. So with that being said, we were kinda talking before the show and, you know, we'll give you the stats and everything for the manga.
Mac:But, when it comes to JJK for you, Jackie, like where where are you at on it? Is it like must see up there? You know, like when the new season's coming out, crunchy roll, however you're watching it, is it like must see every weekend, or do you wait for the season to finish to try to binge through? Like, how does it work for you?
Jacci:No. I think it depends on the anime, of whether or not I wanna binge it or not. But if it's just that good, like, I will watch it by week. I also don't like spoilers, and I follow a lot of anime groups on Facebook that just the 3 hours later, people are posting stuff. I won't get into it on this episode, but, like, the most recent ending or last episode of my hero, I'm glad that I watched the episode then because as soon as we watched the episode, I went on Facebook, and I was scrolling, and there's a nice picture.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:I was like, oh, I'm glad that I watched this show. So that's why for the big ones, I can't I can't wait to binge. I have to watch it because I also could talk to a lot of people about stuff, but I can't just not I can't wait. Yeah.
Mac:Yeah. I'm the same way when it's something like that when I know, like, if I go to work, my little circle of anime heads, you know, a yo shirt. You've seen that? I'm like, yo, chill, chill. I didn't see it yet.
Mac:And then they look at me and I'm disappointed, like, because I could tell something had happened and they wanna talk about it. So now I'm just like, fuck, man. Not like
Jacci:I I don't feel like you're a true true fan of the the genre if you're just like, I'm gonna wait until, like, it's done and then I can binge it. Like, people like that are like, hey. I like it, but I don't care that much to, like Right. Be a weekly watcher. It's kinda like some people I know that, say that they're huge fans of the Game of Thrones and, like, House of Dragon series, but, like,
Mac:a lot of wait till it's over.
Jacci:I'll just wait till it's over. I'm like, no, man. You're not. You're not.
Mac:I mean, don't get me wrong. There's nothing as as comforting as, like, sitting down and, like, selecting a show and having 2 seasons or 23 episodes you can just watch. Like, trust me. Like, when I stumble upon an anime that, you know, a couple seasons in and people are like, hey, you should check this one out and I go hit it up and I'm just like, oh, man. There's 2 seasons.
Mac:You have 24 episodes each. And then you can just sit and binge it. Like Mhmm. Very few things beat having a good show that you can binge through. But like you said, it's one of those things where I think what got me kinda caught up on that one is the, like, when attack on Titan was, like, jumping, like, season 3.
Mac:Right? Yeah. People I mean, if if you are missing episodes of attack on Titan when it was going on, like, you'll miss one episode and be super lost. People are coming to work like, oh, you didn't know that Aaron was you know, I'm not trying to throw anything crazy out there. But but then you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:You're all you're you're super lost. But, so real quick, Jackie, just introduce yourself to the the people. Let them know kinda what was the the anime that brought you into the culture, how long you've been partaking, you know, all that good stuff. And if you want, you you could try to tell people, what's your top 3 are. I don't know if that's like a rotating thing.
Mac:We have yet to do that ourselves. Me, Deontay are or a Kenpachi because. It's a pretty tough thing. Like it's a revolving list. It just depends on on my feelings of the day.
Mac:So, yeah, just just share a little bit with the people.
Jacci:Yeah. So, again, for those who don't know me, I'm Jackie. I think a lot of people we have on this Facebook group are friends of friends of ours.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:But, I started watching when I was, I think, 7 or 8. And, I think what got me hooked was Toonami back in the day. It was and that was back when Toonami actually played anime. It was Dragon Ball z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Sailor Moon. And then at I think it was, like, 10 o'clock, it would end and it would go into adult swim.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And it depended. It might have been, like, the first one was, like, cowboy bebop or it would go into I knew I just knew that Inuyasha was on at 11, 11:30, and it would play again at 3 in the morning and 3:30 in the morning.
Mac:This is the same episode. I did the same shit. Like, those just played at 11. What the fuck?
Jacci:Yeah. And, of course, I couldn't always stay up that late, so I remember they would also play it during the week. So when I was a kid, I had a an alarm clock, you know, put a battery in it, you know, in normal, like, bells. I don't know if any of these nerds know that because they have their freaking phones nowadays. But, I I would have my alarm clock, and I'd put it right by my, my head, and I would put it for, like, 2:50 in the morning.
Jacci:And then, it would go off, and I'd hurry up, and I'd slam it, like, to stop going off. And I would go downstairs, and I would turn on, like, the TV because that's when Adult Swim was gonna play. And then I would get up really close, and I have the volume at, like, volume 8. So I could just hear it. My mom wouldn't wake up, and I would watch a new, And I don't know.
Jacci:That's kinda that's kinda where I started. And then, when YouTube came out, that was back when some anime shows would be on YouTube for free. And I would watch, like, shows on YouTube. I had, like my parents had a small, you know, box TV, and that's where I would, like, plug in and set up to the freaking Internet. And I would have a cable from the Internet going into the, to whatever.
Jacci:So that way I could, like, watch it, or I would have VHS tapes that I get from the library. And I don't know. I started watching all that, and then I started getting into, like, Fruits Basket or in high school, host club. I think I was watching, Code Geass was another one. I I started getting more into it when I was in middle school and high school.
Jacci:And then it just I think when I joined the military oh, actually, when I went from dub to sub is I was watching this anime that was like a romance something. I can't remember. It's like, Fushino, Lori. I don't know. It's about a 16 year old girl that, was gonna die in a year.
Jacci:She's 14. She's gonna die, and she wanted to try out for this singing competition, but she had to be 16 or something. So she got these 2 fairy, like, death, like I I can't remember what they're called. And they came and they, like, granted her wish that they could turn her into a 16 year old temporarily so she could try out for the things, and then she became a famous singer. And, I got to a certain episode, and they didn't make any more dub for it.
Jacci:So I had to switch to the sub in order to finish watching it, and then that's what caused me to start watching sub for everything because there were shows that were out there that were never dubbed. And there's a lot that I liked, and then I don't have to that. I think the mill when I joined the military, that's when I started really getting into more anime and watching a lot more.
Mac:Right.
Jacci:More so because, like, I wasn't in my parents' house where, like, we didn't really have multiple computers. I didn't have a touch screen phone with apps. I I could watch all this shit and unlimited data. You know, I didn't have any of that. So then when I lived by myself, I can connect to the Internet and buy my own stuff and watch whatever I wanted.
Jacci:But, yeah, I think that, like, I have to say my all time top 3, probably Yu Yu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and then, like, I just watched, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood again for, like, the 9th time, 10th time. I don't I can't even tell you, like, a couple weeks ago. Now we're watching Yuhawk show again. This is my, like, 15th run through of it. I was just obsessed with it.
Mac:Have you seen, have you seen the live action on on Netflix?
Jacci:No. So it's tough for me with live actions because I still haven't even watched Avatar Glass Airbender live action. I still haven't watched 1 piece live action, and I want to.
Mac:You're just very, very cautious with it.
Jacci:I am because I don't
Mac:because those are near and dear to your heart.
Jacci:Yeah. I did watch the first episode of Avatar Glass Airbender.
Mac:Mhmm.
Jacci:I didn't think it was terrible. It's okay. But I didn't keep going after that. So I wasn't too disappointed, so I can't give an actual opinion on that. The Yu Hakusho one I heard is really good, though, for what it was worth for it being live action.
Jacci:I just, again, didn't give it a chance. It's It's one of my favorites. So I have a feeling that I would just be very overly critical. And the top 3, man, I don't know. It's tough because I can give you a top 10 easily.
Jacci:But if I think about, like, story building and character building is something that captivated me, like, constantly, and it wasn't even that crazy of a show, it would be, like, Hunter x Hunter, man. Like, that's a close 3rd, maybe 4th. Another one that could compete with that maybe would be, damn, dude. Stuff. I'm obviously a Sailor Moon fan.
Jacci:So maybe Sailor Moon, I'm always gonna be a fan of, like, the transformation girl ones because I I always love a badass, like, female lead or females lead or ones that are, like, more, you can relate better.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. Which I feel like that show is very relatable. They're, you know, not just like absolute perfect. So I don't know. I would say, like, that's kinda where my 4 43 kinda are, and I think I I don't know.
Jacci:It's hard to ever change that. Even with the newer ones that have come out years later, we talk about really good ones like My Hero, j j k, as we're gonna talk about, like, they're they're great, but if I had to put out a scale of 3, the ones I always always go back to, I think, are those ones.
Mac:Yeah. I mean and we're kinda the same way. Like, my list just it's fluid. Like, I'll say top 3, but it's in no particular order type stuff. Right?
Mac:I'm big with, with character development and stuff like that. So, the fact that you have and people say it's cheating when you say, like, the Naruto storyline, right? So Naruto and and Chaputin, they're just like, well, those are 2 that like. It's the same person. It's like him from the kid that everybody was like, get the fuck out of our town to holler and come save our come save our city, Narut.
Mac:So like that that that arc where he comes back as the the, you know, charming, you know, and and and bro. The whole thing. Bro. My god.
Jacci:Sonic. Dude, he's a sage. Listen, we were just we were just talking about Naruto. We because we actually wanted to rewatch, like, the whole thing again, including Shippuden. I haven't watched Boruto.
Jacci:I think I watched up to episode 33, and I was like, man, I can't
Mac:It's tough.
Jacci:And then someone else, like, come in. Like, I got finally the episode, like, 140, and it's, like,
Mac:kinda good.
Jacci:And I was like, man, I'm not wasting my time on that because I just heard some other things about it, and I'm like, I'm good.
Mac:Yep. But, yeah. So those things like that. And so when you're given your top 3, I'm like, that's a solid list, you know, like, nobody. It's hard to really argue with people's list unless they're really coming in here and saying, like, you know, my top three is fucking high school d and d and Yeah.
Mac:You know.
Jacci:You also can't I can't, like, say JJK is up there because they're one of the biggest reasons why JJK and all these other animes became what they are now is because of anime like that that was created back in, like, eighties, nineties, early 2000. They really paved the way for these shows to be what they are. And as you watch a lot of these shows, they all have somewhat of a similar plot or, like, background story to it sometimes. Like, you can start predicting, like, alright. I have a feeling this is gonna happen.
Mac:Like, if it's a shonen, you you walk into it knowing what it is.
Jacci:I will say JJK is one of those more unpredictable ones. Like, you really don't know what's gonna happen, but I think it's because JJK, there's no real, like, plot kind kind of kind of like there is there is it. Like, obviously, with Naruto, this dude wants to be freaking Hokage, so it's gonna go from him being bullied, whatever. He's gonna go through all this character development kind of, and all these characters be this thing, and then he's gonna get to all powerful. With JJK, it's not like that.
Jacci:It's not centered around the primary character, dude. Like, you end up falling in love with almost everyone else besides, like, the actual character it's meant to be about. And it's it there's no real, like, character development for him. He's just this is who he is, and, like, here's some maybe new things with him, but there's no, like, like, I I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.
Jacci:I'm trying to think of the right words, but it's different. And that's why I think JJK is gonna be harder for me to recommend as a if you wanna get an anime, watch this one first.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Unless it's someone's personalities, they don't care for the story. They just care more about, like, fights and gore and sick fight scenes and just, like, crazy twists, I guess. So
Mac:Yeah. I don't think it's a a icebreaker anime. You know, like, it's not a gateway anime that I would recommend. Like, you you'd have to have seen a couple have a couple shounens under your belt or Mhmm. You know, It it's not your typical showing, I would say.
Mac:You know, it's a darker themes. You know things like people, not coming back. A lot of that stuff, but it's stuff away. So it's one of those anime where where you sit down with somebody cause there's there's a handful of them where, you know, people will sit down and if they haven't seen it, be like, hey, don't get too attached to these people that you keep seeing on the screen because at any moment, you know, Game of Thrones it. You know what I'm saying?
Mac:Like, anybody can get
Jacci:It's like watching a comic got killed.
Mac:Yeah. Oh my god. That's number 1 on there when it comes to that. Like, I was I was shocked. I'm just like, there's only 1 season in it?
Mac:Like, that's it?
Jacci:Oh, wow. Top, man. It's up there in top like must watches.
Mac:Yep. But, without further ado, let us get into, talking about j j k, the creator, and the the manga itself in the creating the manga segment of our show. So as with every episode, I get the actual name. I'm looking at the name, but there's never any pronunciation for it. So I always apologize in advance if anybody watches this, listens to this in the future, and you're like, you are slaughtering this person's name.
Mac:I super apologize.
Jacci:But Oh, I made notes.
Mac:Oh, did you? Okay. Did.
Jacci:Lot of names.
Mac:Okay. Is it Gege Akutami?
Jacci:I think
Mac:that's looking at. Or is it Gigi?
Jacci:Let's see. How to pronounce.
Mac:I was sitting there looking at it. It did, like normally, they'll have the little pronunciation guide next to it, but they didn't have it. I'm just like, oh, no.
Jacci:You said it right. Gege Akutam.
Mac:Gege Akutam. Okay. Hold on. Look at me. Hey.
Mac:I've been listening to
Jacci:the next I don't think in Japanese, it's a g g I don't think it's a. There's a sound in that language, but I don't I don't I don't think there is. It's if you see g, it's gonna be a a sound.
Mac:I need to get on my Duolingo. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I get my I get my watched
Jacci:I think I just watched too much animated movies.
Mac:You should pick up on it, but it's osmosis. You you can speak it. You don't know it. Yeah.
Jacci:Oh, I guess I'm lying because, Evangelion is a z sound. Oh. Oh, no. I think maybe it's a you know what? I My video there.
Jacci:I don't know.
Mac:Right. But, yeah. So, I'm gonna just call him. I call him Tommy. He was born, I you know, because I'm old.
Mac:I look at this like, oh, he's a young dude born in 92, you know, but, obviously nowadays, you know, he'd be like 30, what, 32 now. So people would be like, oh, he's kinda old. I still think that's young to accomplish everything he's accomplished in in a, in a, I guess business industry that he's in. But obviously, you know, growing up in Japan, shonen, all those things were going on. Very, very inspired by, Bleach.
Mac:He started reading that in 4th grade. Hunter Hunter, Yeah. Neo Genesis, Evangelion, all of that stuff. So he's he's well versed in, I guess you could call him the the classics or the the mainstays when it comes to, when you're talking anime and manga. So with him, like, he's coming up and my biggest thing when I when I look into these guys and I try to figure out, what like, how they came up with the the story for these things.
Mac:Right? Like, they're just sitting there. They're just like abracadabra, a story. You know? Like, how does this come about?
Mac:So before we get into that, again, one of these this is one of those animes where I'm just like, most people know what it is. But in case you're tuning in, you just stumbled across our page, video, podcast. The plot obviously is, Jackie kinda stated there's multiple characters in it. The main one, I guess, you could call the main protagonist is, Yuji Itadori. Itadori.
Mac:Yeah. I was like Itadori. I don't know. So Yuji. Yeah.
Mac:Right? And the naturally strong dude and and like with most shounens, like, the protagonist always have, like, this one trait that kinda sets them apart, and then they're just, like, the chosen one to go on whatever. So Mhmm. He's in this town. The world is, a world that is full of, sorcerers, good sorcerers, bad sorcerers, and then there's curse spirits.
Mac:Right? So, obviously, the good sorcerers are there to get rid of curse spirits so they don't mess around with humans. Bad sorcerers are like, hey. We wanna go back to the good old days where sorcerers were ruling the town and not out here hiding from people. Right?
Mac:So that's the, the struggle there. Cursed spirit comes to the school, you know, Yuji shows up, fights it off. He's about to die. He ends up eating, a cursed object, which is the one of the, what, 10 fingers? No.
Jacci:Let me Yeah. That'd be I think there's 10. Yeah. Because 1
Mac:of yeah. 1 of the 10 fingers of the, the strongest, the strongest curse spirits, ancient sorcerer, pretty much OP as fuck, Secuna. Right? So he eats that. Normally, a person that eat that any normal person would eat that.
Mac:You know, they would die. Sukuna would take them over automatically. But I guess the willpower or whatever it is that's about Yuji causes him to be able to handle it, and, it causes him to become stronger. And then at times, he can give way to Sukuna to take over his body to do stuff. So so this is pretty much the plot that's going on.
Mac:They're trying to fight off the evil sorcerers that wants to do harm to human. So that's kind of the the art, the gist of it, if you will. So not a not a like pretty standard plot, but again, like Jackie said, when you get into the characters and stuff, that's what kind of pulls you into it more. So you're looking at this like who just comes up with stuff like this. So in 2017, that's when, Akutami went and published the top metropolitan curse technicals.
Mac:It was a 4 part like miniseries, so it was like a a pilot, if you will. Right? That kinda introduced a couple of the characters, and ran in a smaller, jump, not the shonen jump, from, April to July. And then I guess Shonen saw it and was just like, hey, man. That looks dope.
Mac:We want you to, you know, come over here and do that for us. So then he started it. So this was back in, March 5, 2018. So we're looking at it now 6 years of the manga going. It's still running.
Mac:So it's still selling, so props to him for that. Yeah. The biggest thing I like about this is when it comes to him talking about the influences and kinda how it works. So he states that NeoGenesis, Evangelion influenced the mythological aspects of the series. Mhmm.
Mac:Then he also was into, like, you know, doing the YouTube, looking at hidden footage, horror films, and things like that that kinda got up.
Jacci:Like in he was into a cult stuff?
Mac:Yeah. Which a 100%, if you watch the show, you'll be like, yo, this man This man is into some stuff.
Jacci:Well, I guess, the jutsu kaizen itself is translated in Japanese as, like, curse wars.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:So
Mac:So, I mean, knowing that now, like, could you just turn it on and you're just like, is this like some kind of fighting style? Because I'm just like jujitsu, like jujitsu. I'm just like, oh, man.
Jacci:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mac:But, no. Like, one of the better parts of this show is, like, when you start doing the research and looking into it, you're just like, oh, shit. You know? Now stuff is starting to make sense. 100%.
Mac:He's also a a fan of, Togashi, Yoshi Yoshihiro Togashi, the author of, Yu Yu Hakusho, one of Jackie's top 3, and Hunter Hunter in her top 5.
Jacci:I told you those this paved the way for a lot of this.
Mac:Yeah. So he was trying to do his best when it comes to illustrating because for the longest, I just thought the creators come up with the store. Right? They just write the script, and then they hand it over to somebody to do the animation. I did not know for the longest that they do the animation and they write it, and then it's just, you know, serialized to just have people help them do it and stuff like that.
Jacci:But I actually didn't know that either.
Mac:I I'm just like, bro, I just thought you just come up with the the plot and just have people flush that thing out, man. I did not know. Because, he was yep. So his whole thing was trying to, have the art style as close as possible to that, which is an amazing, also a a fan of, Bleach, and then other manga, artists that that inspired him, is, Kishimoto from, Naruto and then, Yusuke Murata Murata. I'm guessing I'm saying that right.
Mac:Again, if for whatever reason, somebody this makes it to Japan and these illustrators are listening. Like, who the fuck is over there in America, Ruina? I'm so sorry. I'm so
Jacci:Have you ever heard them ever try to pronounce any American so it's the same thing. I think any country that tries to pronounce any other countries thing, they're gonna butcher it. That's not I gotta
Mac:get it.
Jacci:Letters and words and things that are not in, like, other people's languages that are it's just that's just how it's gonna
Mac:go. Yeah.
Jacci:Unless you, like, actually immerse and educate yourself. It's I think it's
Mac:but yeah. So, who's illustrated, manga like, Eye Shield 21, which I haven't heard of, but, One Punch Man, I have heard of. And then, I think the biggest thing is when he talks about the magic system because when you talk to a lot of people who read the manga or try to watch the the anime, the fighting, the magic, the domain, like, a lot of people get confused on that stuff. They're just like, I'm not understanding the standard, I guess, the, pro the progress of strength, I guess, that you would see in most anime. This one shows up and they're, like, all over the place.
Mac:A lot of people get lost watching it. There's, Wikis that are out there that are built by fans trying to explain all of this stuff, which is I I think that's dope when a community gets together and does stuff like that to try to, you know, explain it to those that are looking for answers so they can better find
Jacci:it. You know, they probably did it too because, I mean, the best way to, like, understand it yourself is to do that.
Mac:Right.
Jacci:Because it can get confusing, and it is confusing because there's so many different curse techniques. There's I think that's one thing about the the writing and the lore of it that's really interesting is it is even though it might be similar to, like, other shows that have stuff, it's still different. There's a lot of different things with, like, what they do and the things behind it and what it means. And also, like, everyone's striving. The whole the whole idea behind the entire manga, the show, the story itself is the person becomes the jujutsu kaizen, which is the person who is able to use the most anti curse techniques.
Jacci:And there's there's so many. It's such a wide. Is it birth or breath?
Mac:Breath.
Jacci:Yeah. Sure. Whatever. It's a spectrum. You just wanna be as wide on that spectrum as possible.
Mac:I think it's look. Now now you got me mess like, I'm messing up.
Jacci:And I don't wanna go on dictionary.com. Is it wide breath or wide birth?
Mac:Up to English. Wide birth?
Jacci:Oh, wait. Maybe it is wide birth. Oh, that's to avoid or stay away from.
Mac:So it's Brett? Wide breath.
Jacci:E b Oh, Brett. Y Brett. Breath
Mac:the breath. Breath the breath the breath the breath the breath the breath the breath the breath the
Jacci:breath. English is supposed to be my first language and, you know
Mac:We're all struggling. We're we're struggling now. It's cool. My excuse is it's late on this side. I don't know what your excuse is.
Jacci:So wait. Where are you at right now? Sorry. I know we're going all a little off No.
Mac:I'm at Langley. I'm I'm in Virginia.
Jacci:Oh, shoot. I thought you were still in freaking Arizona for some reason.
Mac:Ma'am, no. Oh, my god.
Jacci:When's the last time we talked, dude?
Mac:It's been No. Big facts. Big facts.
Jacci:Big facts. Years, man.
Mac:Oh, man. But, back to the manga. The biggest thing, the magic system, he says it is largely inspired by Hunter and Hunter, whose fights and, Akutami's words reject emotional arguments. Right? He's saying that, the, what is this?
Mac:I just had the author's name up here. Oh, Daisuki. Here we go again. Ashihara. Yeah.
Mac:We'll just do that. World Trigger's author whose magic system is also similar to, Tokiata's.
Jacci:Oh, yeah. Okay.
Mac:He's trying to find and develop his own kind of style. So, I haven't read these other ones. I am familiar with Hunter Hunter, and and and, you know, Yu Yu Hakusho and everything like that. So a lot of these shows, when they try to stand apart from one another, they'll they'll come up with their own kind of combat style, their own fighting style, and things like that. So I can see he's trying to, like, take bits and pieces from a lot of the properties and things that he's grown up with, put them together, and kinda make his own thing.
Mac:Again, like Jackie was stating, like, it's very wild because somebody will do do a curse technique that'll get reversed by another curse technique because of some other stuff, and you're just like, yo. What is going on? Or I'll just just put hands on each other. Right? But that's not how they fight.
Mac:That's not how all of them fight here in in this world.
Jacci:What what interesting thing I read, especially, like because I love reading Reddit, and I like and you have to be careful, obviously, when you go and read Oh, yeah. People read the manga, they will go more in-depth. But one person that kinda talked about it is you actually don't see it fully utilized to its full potential much. It's almost it's very vague throughout the whole story. It it actually doesn't really dive in, like, how Hunter x Hunter really talks about men and what it is and, you know, where it starts and the full capabilities of it.
Jacci:When it comes to the curse techniques and everything, it's very vague. There's no, like, actual description of what the limit is, like, what it can can be, what it can't be. It's it's very it's very big, so it's like a softer someone said it's like a softer Nen like system with users being able to impose limits on their abilities to make them stronger as well as having an increased effectiveness. The more people know and think about the ability as they're, like, own curse energy, like, feeds in that way, which is an interesting take. So, net energy, you gotta store it.
Jacci:You gotta train it. You gotta work on it. Whereas, person energy is based off of feelings, negative feelings. It's
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:A lot of, like it's it's different. It's weird. And I think that's where the confusing part comes into it where a lot of, like, anime is just very, linear kind of way and, like, it can kinda, like, expand and get stronger and it, can increase in levels. It's like cursed energy almost already has its limit unless, like, you're able to increase your your feelings or situation, if that makes Mhmm. Sense.
Jacci:I think that's where it can get kinda confusing with some No.
Mac:And it's easier when you watch the anime and see it visually, when characters are kinda in certain stages of their training or, knowledge of curse energy and how to use it, when they try to do certain techniques, when they go up against somebody who has been doing it longer has a better understanding of it. You instantly see the the the difference in their powers and their abilities. So, but, getting back to the manga, like, started back in 2018. It's only been out for, what, 8:8 years now. And according to the and I I think all manga creators do this.
Mac:They they go to these, conventions, these panels, and they're like, yeah. The thing's gonna end soon. You know? So he's been saying it back in 23. Apparently, now looking at, around on Reddit and and, you know, different, Twitter accounts and stuff.
Mac:He spoke at one panel saying it's it's gonna end in 2024. So we'll see what happens. You know?
Jacci:July. So
Mac:We'll see. Because,
Jacci:I don't know where they're at in it. There was some spoil I I saw a spoiler the other day. I'm not gonna say it. I was I don't wanna say it's a spoiler because, you know, how sometimes when, like, you know something's eventually going to happen, someone's gonna meet a potential eventually
Mac:Right.
Jacci:To do something. You're just waiting to see when it's gonna happen. So it wasn't a spoiler. It's more like, okay. It did finally happen
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:In Among Us. So I can see how it's probably now getting to that point.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And if you also as you're, like, thinking about, like, the story, I feel like there's also only so much or so far you can keep going with this.
Mac:A 100%. I'd rather it be, we talked about Demon Slayer on the the first episode, but, you know, it it it ran for 4 years, you know, like, 4 years, what, 260, 250 chapters, you know, and it wrapped up, like, it ended. And, I'm like, I'm I'm a big fan of well, just tell the story and end the story. You know, like, give give us an amazing ride. Give us an amazing time in the story.
Mac:However I
Jacci:still have 20 years, man.
Mac:Yeah. I mean, it's it's like, I I assume it would get tiring too because, like, you're just, like, I just came up with this. I wanna end my story. And I don't wanna say that Shonen would get involved and or Shonen Jump would get involved and kinda put people in that position. We're like, hey, man.
Mac:We're gonna milk this for all it's worth. So just keep cranking these things out. And Yeah. Then you as a creator, I feel would lose love, lose the joy in creating and telling your story. And then it just comes to that point.
Jacci:Like, what was your original point in even doing it too?
Mac:Right. So I don't know. Hopefully, it ends. I know, My Hero was supposed to end, but, at least two times back in 20 late 22 and then in 23, and it's still gone. Then now people are just like, oh, it's definitely gonna end now.
Mac:So I just sit
Jacci:back Well, I think that creator did come out finally with that saying that it is ending in the next, few chapters, I think, which is upsetting.
Mac:I'll believe it when I see the the b end at the end of the fucking Yeah. The thing. But, I will say so far just from January to July as of July 23 is when these numbers are, like, Jujutsu Kaisen has been the top selling manga, both physical copies and digital copies, at 4,000,000 6 100, 4,600,630,685 with, what's it? Freeran? Oh, no.
Mac:And is,
Jacci:right, right, right, that later. Yeah.
Mac:And and that one is right behind it at 4,000,000 50,000. So, and then you go down the list based on, you know, just the first, what, 6, 7 months, and you got these guys selling out, you know, 4,000,000. You know? Checked on Wikipedia, and apparently, it's at 90,000,000 sold total for Monza, you know, for something that came out in 2018. And you're looking at some of the top selling mangas, you know, that have been doing it from, like, the nineties till now, and it's already creeped up there.
Mac:You know? So it it's it's on par to to get into the 100,000,000, which I'm assuming it will, like, if it keeps going for, I guess, the next couple of months or however. So, yeah, 90,000,000 plus as of 23 July of 2024. So, again, one of these things where it gets over here, the anime or the anime is obviously why it's popular, but the manga is also selling out because I took my youngest over to the library, and they have this new, like, kind of a comic book section, but then you go over there now, there's like a whole section of of manga. Right?
Mac:Yeah. That you go there and you see, like, oh, man, they got, you know, jujitsu kaizen over here, and Mhmm. Most of the most of the volumes are sold out. They don't have all of them, but you could tell us they're pretty popular. Like, kids are showing up wanting to read it and or grown ups are going over and checking it out.
Mac:I wouldn't blame them. So
Jacci:Yeah. Actually, fun fact, it looks like Jujutsu Kaizen is even, like, beating Fullmetal Alchemist and sales and Yu Yu Hakusho even Hunter x Hunter.
Mac:Is that total sales?
Jacci:Yeah. So, like, Hunter x Hunter has 84,000,000 sales, whereas Jujutsu Kaisen, like you said, has 90,000,000. Yeah. YouHawk showed 78,000,000. Fullmetal Alchemist had 80,000,000.
Jacci:Vagabond, which is a huge one, is 82,000,000. Like, the only one that is this is per Wikipedia. So the only thing that's like on par since the eighties is captain Tsubasa, which I have not read or I don't even know if there's an anime created of Captain Tsubasa. I'm not very familiar with that one. Mhmm.
Jacci:It is a shonen, but it's also a sign in sign in, I think, is the way you say that. Yeah. It's it's it's almost number 1 in sales.
Mac:Damn.
Jacci:For cop I'm sorry. 50,000,000 to 99,000,000 copies. Sorry. I'm saying the wrong thing. It's between 50,000,000 and 99,000,000 copies, and with those copies, there's 90,000,000 sales.
Jacci:However, for approximate sales from manga series total, it's not even in the top. I don't know. This is top 15 or top 20. This is an interesting list or table that I'm looking at right now that doesn't The one on Wikipedia? Yeah.
Jacci:There's, like, at least a 100,000,000 copies and above, and it's not in there for sales. But then there's between 50,000,000 99,000,000 copies, and that's where it's ranking in, like, the top 2.
Mac:Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it's it's I could see it easily getting into the, the 100,000,000 category. That's right above it, easily. I know they're in the the work of, you know, another movie and stuff like that.
Mac:They got video games out. That's neither here nor there. I do wanna say though, the the, anime and, like, with with the other properties we talked about, Demon Slayer My Hero. When you're reading it, like with all of them, you you see these amazing set pieces. Right?
Mac:And, you just it's one of those things where, like, I know for me, like, I started watching the anime then went back to started reading the manga. But, there are things like, now I'm reading ahead in the manga to where the anime is at, and I'm seeing these set pieces, and I'm just like, I can't wait to see this hit post. You know? Like, with Demon Slayer and all of that there. So with that being said, we see that it's hella popular.
Mac:It's it's it's, you know, not only popular over in Japan and those countries, but, again, spreading over the western culture, to the point where, obviously, it took, what, I think 2020 is, when the anime came out. And, you know, every time you start hearing, hey. This manga's doing great. Anime adaption's coming up. Like, the first thing I start looking to is, like, who's who's fucking animating this shit.
Mac:Right? Because at this point, if you're putting a manga or anime out, if you're doing a an adaptation from a manga, you got things like demon slayer out here, that set the bar for animation. You know? You had attack on Titan. That was yep.
Mac:You photo anything you photo, but you're just
Jacci:like, okay.
Mac:Got it. MAPPA, WIP Studios, a one, I think, bones. So there there's there's the anime studios where you're just like, okay. If they're picking it up, we should be alright. You know?
Mac:So you always wanna make sure, it's going to one of those studios, and, you know, you you'll you'll be more than likely, happy with the, the result. But so, yeah, it did get picked up. It went over the mappa, so, let us go ahead and transition into the, anime review of, JJK. Yes. So I know Jackie's like, I haven't read the manga, but I did watch the anime.
Mac:So I'm assuming this is where Jackie will be letting you know, which which a lot of people we usually spend most of the show in this area because, like we said, when when we start seeing these things in motions, and you get the music on top of the voice actors. So you, you know, you you get to put a voice to what you've been reading in the manga, all of that cool stuff. But, obviously, the anime is what helps it get as popular as it does here on the on the western side of the world here. To where you go to, like, Hot Topic or Spencer's, and that's where you get shirts like this from. And everybody's rocking it.
Mac:I wear this out, and, like, grown people are coming to me like, dude, your shirt's dope. I'm just like Yeah. When would this have happened, like, 20 years ago or some shit like that?
Jacci:Dude, I remember when I now I'm thinking about when I was a kid in, like, middle school and high school.
Mac:Uh-huh.
Jacci:I remember I went to my first anime club in middle school, man. Back then, there wasn't people who were the culture, like, the people that were in that culture are very different than the wide breadth of people that are now in this culture of anime that, like, now I can have a I look at, like, the freaking, like, NBA and the NFL, like, all these people who are now talking about anime and, like, you know, are, like, certain type of, like, people where they, like, you know, have a normal life. They have a job. They, like, are regular people to have a conversation with compared to, like, when I was in middle school. These these people were, like, running around hissing at you and, like, throwing cupcakes and, like, you know, just
Mac:Bissing at you.
Jacci:You know, fun, interesting individuals, but also, like, you know Yeah. You know, their life was just they're very interesting and and different, you know. And you if you liked anime, that's what you fell in. You've owned this category of the people that you're weird, and it's weird to, like, like this genre. So it's, like, really cool now to, like, this culture of how people are and what they like and talk about.
Jacci:And the fact you, you know, you wear that shirt. Now all these people are just like, yo, that's sick. Like, all this I don't know. To be, like, 1st or to be a part of, like, when you liked it, when it wasn't popular, to now see how much is grown and how many more people are more accepting of it being a part of it and realizing how awesome that it is. It's not just cartoons as people like to talk about it.
Jacci:It's actually stories and things about it that are, like, sick, especially, like, Jujutsu Kaizen is just amazing. I don't know. A lot of people will, complain and be like, oh, well, you know, you weren't there 10 years ago. Like, now you're just a bandwagon fan. It's like, dude, let let them in on it now, man.
Jacci:Like, this is sick. I like it now. Now I can, like, talk about it and not have to worry about, you know, people, you know, like, making fun of me and ostracizing us in this
Mac:The worst thing you could do is yeah. The worst thing to do is is to try to gatekeep. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, you weren't you weren't there back when a fucking, you know, one piece started, so I don't wanna hear you guys talking about it. Like, just chill.
Mac:Just let people jump in. And the the biggest thing about that, you know, I know we're side tracking, but if you're new to anime and you're jumping in now, I'm so I'm so jealous and so happy for you because the back catalog of all the shows, you can just sit down And
Jacci:watch it all for the first time. I wish I could watch some of this shit for the first time sometime.
Mac:That part. That part. Like, watching Hunter Hunter for the first time at, and and that's the best part. Like,
Jacci:you know, after, like, when it was reanimated. Yeah.
Mac:The show's with the slow burn. Because, like, you tune in Hunter Hunter, and you're just like, who's this kid with these short shorts and this fucking fishing pole and this dude with this briefcase? The fuck is going this show is dumb. This and then you get and then it Is this
Jacci:weirdo with this, like, thing for young children?
Mac:Clown with this this this this sticky stuff on his hands. It's like, yo, what do you He's actually back. Yeah.
Jacci:I fucking love him. He's so good, man. He's so sick. Even though
Mac:he's But then when that part hits and you're just, like, you just tell him wait till just wait just wait. And then they they get to that part, then they see you the next day like, yo. That shit was I'm just glad welcome. You know?
Jacci:My favorite part is when someone finally watches, like, they're late to the game of j j k. Yeah. And they're like they get to, like, Yuji and, like, freaking Toto's part when they're fighting against Hanami. And they're like, yo. And I was like, bro, tell me from your perspective what that was like.
Mac:I was like, man, I need a friend like that.
Jacci:Do you on YouTube whenever an anime has a, scene? Do you ever watch reaction videos to the scene?
Mac:Oh, yeah.
Jacci:Oh, dude. I watch those all the time. They're my favorite.
Mac:Yeah. I'm like, bro, I should like, I I I see them, and I'm just like, man, I should record my reaction, but it's already late because I already saw the the initial thing. So I'm not trying to every time a new episode of JJK, I'll just set a fucking camera up and be like, bro, at any minute, I could spazz the fuck out. Yeah. I could easily do that for demon slayer.
Mac:Like, the the season finale that just happened, and I
Jacci:Oh, I do.
Mac:Bro, I was goosebumps and and fucking.
Jacci:I think the best part of that whole even though the whole episode is great, when Zenitsu entered, man, into, like, the infinity castle, I was like
Mac:He wants to smoke.
Jacci:If they could finally pick a part to actually showcase how badass this dude actually is aside from all his whining, they did it perfectly.
Mac:Bro. Bro, that well, we'll talk about that all. Like
Jacci:Oh, fuck. Because I have
Mac:to yes. Oh my god. Oh my god. I have so stoked. But anyway
Jacci:Yeah. Sorry. I know your side choice
Mac:are, man. Oh, man. So, the anime appears, right, in 20 4
Jacci:talk about the anime? Can we just at least talk about the, creativeness and the amazingness amazingnessness? That's not a word. Of the
Mac:We'll roll with it.
Jacci:Openings and closings.
Mac:So we're talking about the music?
Jacci:I love the anime, man, but you cannot deny that anytime you watch the anime, you also watch. How many openings of animes do you skip?
Mac:It's it's very few. It is very few. I'm trying to think. Off the top of my head.
Jacci:Because some people will skip. They'll watch the first, so they'll watch it the first time. They're like, oh, that was sick. And then after they watch the anime, they'll skip it after that. Jujutsu Kaisen was one of the very few animes that I actually saw every If
Mac:the song is a bop, I'll I'll instant. Like, I always give it a couple of I always give the opening a couple of playthroughs to see if it, like, if I'm gonna add it to my playlist because I got a whole j pop, j rock playlist. Same. Okay. Cool.
Jacci:Every single episode in closing of j j k is on my freaking playlist because it is that they could not have selected better bands, better openings to go with this anime. It's not even just the songs. It is the openings and the endings as well with it. Like, talk about, like, manga creates, like, the story, the art, and the fact that then you translate the manga to the anime and the art with it with that mop MAPPA does, like, a fantastic job.
Mac:They do.
Jacci:But then now you, like, create this opening and ending with these songs that dude, like, I don't think there was ever a bad opening or ending with this anime. Like, I I listened to them all again before we started this game. I'm like, dude, I don't I don't think that's a bad one, man. I will say favorites, but
Mac:The closing, the outro, the ending, I guess, for season 1, it was like a instant because it's it's so the contrast from, like, what you just watched for, like, 22 minutes.
Jacci:Oh, they're dancing?
Mac:They're going out putting hair gel in, going out
Jacci:Gojos, like, the Megumi too, the serious ones.
Mac:Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It just comes out chilling, you know, the I'm like, I dig in this vibe. Like, I I because you know, most
Jacci:Dude, it went viral.
Mac:Most endings. Right? Like, the the opening will be hella action packed, and then the ending be some slow song where they're just, like, staring up at the moon or the the stars are going by and it's like a slow song, which I'm I I could dig. You know, there's a few on my playlist. But, you just hear the horns and it's thiht.
Mac:You're like, oh, what the and, you know, Crunchyroll's like, do you wanna skip to the next episode? Nah. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah.
Mac:Let them cook. Let me see what's happening here. And so, yeah, it only took about 2 episodes for me to be like, the whole episode's playing. I don't skip any opening. I don't skip any closing.
Mac:So, but, yeah, the not only that, but music during the show. Mhmm. I think it it really does help because we were talking
Jacci:OSTs?
Mac:Oh, yes. Because we're talking we were talking, My Hero. And, you know, you're watching that show, the fight, and, like, you understand the the gravity of the the match of the fight. You you know what's at stake. But then when the the orchestra comes in, the score starts playing in the background.
Mac:And and you know the the my hero score where you're just like, fucking you that shit motivates you to get up and fucking go do some real shit. You're just like, man,
Jacci:let me
Mac:let me get my ass up out of fucking shit. You know? Let me get this gym up. You know? Plus ultra out this bitch.
Mac:You know what I'm saying? But, the same thing in this one. And the biggest the biggest one I go to is I'm not is it the season finale of season 1 where Megumi and, what's her name? Oh, girl with the fucking,
Jacci:No. Bara.
Mac:Are fighting the fucking those those, twin brother demons. And, like what? Like, the music that was playing no. It's cool. The music that was playing I'm trying to find it.
Mac:What's
Jacci:going on? Me too.
Mac:Yeah. Nobara. Yep. So, Megumi and Nobara, they were fighting those demons. And, you know, they're fighting and then they do, no.
Mac:Megumi wasn't fighting. It was a Yuji. Yuji and, they were fighting. And they did that that thing they're fighting, and the matchup wasn't working for them. And they did that
Jacci:Oh, season oh, at the end of season 1?
Mac:Yeah. And they did that swap. And I'm just and the music kicks in, and it was like it was going from one person to another, and they had the guitar doing the riffs between, like, I was just like, yo. I wanna punch somebody. I wanna punch somebody as hard as Yuji is punching somebody in this movie right now.
Mac:But, that part and then, like, Megumi, he was he was fighting, off somebody, and he used his domain expansion for the first time, and that music was pumped up pumping me up too, and that was the first time he's oh my god. The music for j j k. Let me search. Who is the who is the in charge of this
Jacci:stuff? I have all of it. I have all of it. Do you wanna know?
Mac:Who is
Jacci:in check? Who is in charge of the music? I don't know. But I have all of the songs. I have the oh, for openings and closings.
Jacci:For OSTs, I don't have that part. But I I had this conversation with Steven. I'm like, have you ever listened to scores on, like, shows and movies? Like, we were cleaning the house one time and getting off track a little bit, but I would play the score of, like, how to train your dragon. It's like, have you listened to this shit?
Jacci:This shit is, like,
Mac:amazing. The score is better than the soundtrack. Because, like, I'll hear a song in a movie, and I'll go look at the soundtrack. I'm like, you know, what the fuck is all this shit?
Jacci:Like, bleat bleaches, OST is good. Even Naruto's. Yeah. Hunters is good. Like, it they're iconic.
Jacci:A lot of them are like, you know, and I won't go there, but some video game scores look up. A lot of people will talk about those sometimes, and you can go to movies. But, no, JJK is like it's like a it it can kinda be like, I don't wanna say hip hop, but it's, what's the chill hip hop? Lofi. Lofi.
Jacci:Thank you. But then it'll be, like, lofi rock kind of because they'll also add that element
Mac:to it.
Jacci:It might be, like, kinda soft, but then it goes in the dude, it's it's.
Mac:Yep. So Hiroaki Tsutsumi Tsutsumi, is in charge of the, did the original soundtrack for the anime series. So he composed it. Ortiz? Yes.
Mac:So, that man, let him cook, let him continue to run that. And then like you said, the opening theme, was that Ky Ky Kattan by around This is
Jacci:the one by Eve.
Mac:By Eve. Yep. And then, Lost in Paradise by Ali.
Jacci:Right. In Paradise. Classic.
Mac:Like, that song comes on people who don't who don't watch the anime know what it's from. Like, this is the song this is the this is the song from the anime. Right? Like, you you don't know the name, but you you're aware of this song.
Jacci:And I will say my favorite opening, though, of all time for Jujutsu Kaik because I will go back between, Kaikai Katan and the Vivid Vice. But that opening where the first half of season 2 was like Gojo and Ghettos, like
Mac:Oh, they're back cold? Yeah.
Jacci:That opening is dude, I watched that opening so many times. Even when, like, randomly I'm on YouTube, I'm like, I gotta watch this opening. I don't know why. And then I download the song, and I was like, I I don't know what it is. It's like that chorus part.
Jacci:They do it so well.
Mac:What is it called? For the season's first
Jacci:last week? Aono Sumika by Tatsuya Kitani. Season 2, press opening. Dude, specials? Is.
Mac:Can we talk about
Jacci:specials, dude? So if you actually listen to the full song of specials, I will say it's okay, the full song. The way that they broke it out just for the first like, the opening was perfect. Did you know, though, in the first I don't know if you recognize this, is in that second part of the opening, all the hand signs, it's from everyone's different curse techniques. It's like Megumi's, Sukunas, Gojos, Ghettos.
Jacci:I can't remember who else. I thought that was one of the coolest freaking parts is that they did that.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And added that in there. And then, like, the slow walk too of everyone, which a part of me feels like Demon Slayer stole that a little bit when they did freaking what's a space to slow walk? And then that was a whole TikTok thing where like, did you see where sorry. I know we're talking about demons.
Mac:They were taking videos of that. They were adding
Jacci:different songs Yeah. To That shit was cold, though. That shit was so cold. That
Mac:2 weeks before the season ended. So they were just like, fuck. We fucked up. Like, because now and then I've been wanting to talk about it, but everybody was hella busy. So it's just like, fuck, man.
Mac:Like, so, yeah. We'll we'll we'll converse when when we're done with this episode. But, yeah, But, yeah, so that and then, what I didn't know is the best part about when you watch a lot of anime, like, I know with Spotify, you type in a song, and it's like, here's the band that does it. I always follow the band, you know, see what else they got going on. I didn't know the the same group, King Nu, Gnu.
Mac:I don't know if that's how you say it.
Jacci:Yeah. Yeah. That one that did specials.
Mac:They I don't know if you watch, the ranking of kings, but they
Jacci:sang not.
Mac:They sang the opening the first opening, for that one. And it's a totally, like, totally different vibe because, like, I was watching ranking the Kings and I'm just like, oh, this is this is a nice little bop and then specials comes out. I'm just like, yo, these guys, they they could they they, like, they can do this little kind of pop rock, and then they got, like, rock rock over here. So I I I like I like I don't know. I just like the versatility of all these bands and stuff like that.
Mac:Like, if if you watch anime, you know what I'm talking about because Lisa can fucking sing a sing a opening and ending.
Jacci:Get me started about Lisa.
Mac:An opening and ending for everybody. You know what I'm saying? If Lisa's on your shit, I'm listening to it.
Jacci:You know what's annoying is sorry. I gotta talk about Lisa for a second. She did the, like, I think, 3 openings for Sal, and then she wasn't that popular for Sword Art Online when she did it.
Mac:But I
Jacci:think it was her 2nd opening for Starfire Online where people were like, oh, she's actually really good. And then when she did the opening for demon slayer, I feel like, oh my god. And then she just took off after that.
Mac:Yeah. I'm like, bro, Lisa be all over everybody's stuff. And but, like, we talked about it. Demon Slayer was the the thing that America was like, oh, shit. This is dope.
Mac:You know? I'll go to the theater and watch this, which is why we're getting 3 movies for it. But I'd address. J j k. Music on point.
Jacci:Obviously I did wanna talk about I had to talk about that. I was like, dude.
Mac:Oh, no. The the music is
Jacci:closings before you even animation. Like, they did not miss.
Mac:Right. Music is iconic. And you could also throw in there the the skill of the animation studio to be able to visually put something together to match the energy of the song.
Jacci:Yeah. Because if your opening sucks, like, it starts the overall attitude of the viewer.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:Right off the bat. You're like, damn. This freaking opening sucks. And then so then you watch and and, like, a lot of times, a lot of people when they watch anime, they're like, well, the season one was great, but, like, like, I'm really upset that the freaking opening sucked. Like, a lot of people will, like they'll they'll, like, anchor on that.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Like, why did your opening suck, though?
Mac:Yeah. Like, I just I just skip the opening every time. But I feel like if you if you could have somebody tune in opening, watch your show, and then watch the full ending, like, you you nailed it. Trifecta at that point. So, yeah, like we said, you know, they they handed over the MAPPA, which some people feel a type of way about MAPPA.
Mac:You know, they they kinda run their their employees a lot. They pick up a lot of projects, which
Jacci:But even if they say that, there's never I don't think and correct me if I'm wrong. Uh-huh. I never really read any truth data besides there was supposedly some strike from the animators Mhmm. Wanting something, but there I didn't actually see proof for that. It was just a lot of people talking about it.
Mac:The only thing I hear is, like, you know, there'll be certain employees, like you said, that'll that'll speak and be like, man, there were times where, you know, I ended up working, you know, 16, 18 hour days, get home, go to sleep, come right back. Sometimes I just sleep at it's no different, and I'm not saying it like it's not serious, but, like, when video game, you know, companies, developers, you know, they go into crunch time where they just, like, sleep at their desk and then wake up and get back to fucking developing because EA wants the game out at a certain time, or the publisher wants the game out, and the developer is, like, trying to get that out. So, I
Jacci:think what sucks is that MAPPA is so,
Mac:They're in high demand. Like, a lot of Yeah.
Jacci:They're so demanded now because and it's because of Jujutsu Kaizen and Attack on Titan. Really, what started was Attack on Titan.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:And then that paved the way for Jujutsu Kaizen and then others that I think, one They do, actually, One Punch Man was one of the first for map They
Mac:do Vinland Saga too. So
Jacci:Yeah. But even then when Vinland Saga was out and One Punch Man was, I don't think Vinland Saga and One Punch Man had the popularity yet as much as Attack on Titan did. And then once everyone was more demanding of that type of animation style, then it got more and more and more. And that and that's what sucks for those creators is that now everyone wants MAPPA or Ufotable to now animate these, but Ufotable is doing the opposite of what MAPPA is doing. Ufotable is like, no, man.
Jacci:This is gonna be unique to being demon slayer or whatever else we wanna do. MAPPA's like, bring it on, and that's what's causing the overwork of the workers, which sucks.
Mac:And I it does suck, but when you're watching it, like, my fear is, like, they're gonna pick up so much stuff. They're just gonna start,
Jacci:like Being shit.
Mac:The the quality the quality of their animation is gonna drop, and that is not the case at all. Like, these dudes are are are continually putting out quality stuff. The amount of stuff they're putting out, again, it's one of those I don't know where people stand on that. Like, hey. You know, give these people a break.
Mac:You know, kind of go the affordable route where they're just like for a while, they're just like, we're just animating these the fate stay night, fate unlimited blade. Like, we're just with the fate. And then now we're into, you know, this, demon slayer, and I feel that them taking their time like, if I had to figure
Jacci:I think Mappa is now realizing because a lot of people are before even the creators were saying anything. He that it was the viewers that were actually making observations themselves, which then caused their creators to start going out on Twitter. And then and it was just a few workers that were saying things. And then I think MAPPA because I haven't seen anything for the past, what, since, the last season of Jujutsu Kaisen where someone was complaining about some animation part. But what pisses me off is that people will press pause in certain areas.
Mac:For stuff.
Jacci:Yeah. And they'll look for stuff. And if you actually watch it through, you don't see. Like, you don't you just see great it's all coming together great, but then they just pause and, like, oh, this Going frame
Mac:by frame.
Jacci:Dude, relax. Is it did it come together and it look great? It it looks great. You just move on. Like
Mac:How come he had That's
Jacci:just his creators off. Because, like, people what will happen is people go on Twitter
Mac:and be
Jacci:like, oh, this is shit and blah blah blah, and it makes the creators feel like shit. You know, they're not doing well enough, which is not true. It's just people who just wanna nitpick.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And and what are they doing? They're probably just sitting, doing nothing except watching anime and just criticizing, and they don't even do anything.
Mac:Some people like to complain because they feel like if they're the first to put it in a little Reddit thread or something like that, then they look like a super fan that, you know, or or whatever. Like, their their credibility goes up, but I think that's where most animation is hand drawn. No. No. No.
Mac:It's because you're still talking about the animation. It's anything that's hand drawn. Like, you're messing around in, like, one scene, you know, dude will have buttons on his shirt, then the next scene, like, the buttons are on the other side of the shirt. And somebody's just like, look how sloppily this is animated. The attention to detail is not there.
Mac:And I'm just like, bro, if you just don't that that did not
Jacci:happened to movies. What did they talk about in, Avengers where there was, like, a Starbucks cup or something in the background? How do we even, like, care or talk about that anymore?
Mac:If it's not immersion breaking, like, I don't care. You know? Like, I'm not sitting there and then, like, all of a sudden, like, yo, what the fuck? Buttons on the other side, I can't do this shit. You know?
Jacci:I think there was one episode of 1 piece actually that, MAPPA, animated. It was the 1,000th episode, I think.
Mac:Uh-huh.
Jacci:One piece episode 1,000. Apple? Is it Apple? Yeah. It I think it was MAPPA.
Jacci:And it I mean, it was sick. But then at because then after that, the animation style for it has been, like, I don't know, man. I will give all the praise in the entire world to MAPPA in general. The animation style for Jujutsu Kaisen is crazy. Like, I think that Demon Slayer started an era of animation now that is just, like, top qualities.
Jacci:Well, actually, I would argue they say kind of, I think, started that. And then Ufotable kinda came in, and then now everyone's starting to, like.
Mac:They're like it's the investment of anime as much as you invest in your animation is how much yeah. I mean, you'll get those returns back, I think. Because I know at first it was all about budgeting. Right? Putting out the most to do at cheap as possible to get the most return.
Mac:I think when people are looking at I think it was like they're in the red light district, arc on, RD, what do you call it? The entertainment district. Yeah. The arc of a demon slayer when you're looking at the fight, between Tien tsin and, the upper moon. And you look, you're just like, bro, they're spending about $100,000 Yep.
Mac:Per episode in animation, and people are like, what? But then when you see it, you're just like, yo, that's the move. I guess that's what that's what you gotta do because now everybody's talking about it. Now your show is popular. You're selling merch.
Mac:People are signing up, streaming your show. Look you know? So and and apparently, it's working for MAPPA over on JJK because as of April 4th this year, I haven't seen anything as updated as that. But, the Guinness Book of World Records announced that Jujutsu Kaisen is officially the world's most in demand anime series. Saying that, the global demand for the series is rated 71.2 times greater than your average television show.
Mac:So, again, it's one of those things, like, because word-of-mouth gets out. When these fights are going on, and jujutsu guys are like, people are talking about these things, like, you need to see this shit. And, you know, and and the thing with now social media and TikToks, YouTube, like, somebody can clip a fight, put it up there, and people will see it and be like, yo. Where's this from? Oh, that's Jujutsu Kaizen.
Mac:Mhmm. And then we're gonna go stream it and everything. So, but, yeah, most popular anime, it's it's been called that on several, you know, anime anime pages, groups, and things like that. When you're actually talking about awards and stuff, which is kinda difficult for anime because, like, you have Crunchyroll Awards, you have another anime streaming thing awards. Yeah.
Jacci:And then
Mac:the thing with Crunchyroll is, like, they're just gonna give awards
Jacci:On my popular vote.
Mac:Give award to shows that are on their service, you know, and and not just anime as a whole. You know? So it's one of those things where I guess but, you know, I think last year, season 2 of j j k one for best anime of the year. Some people were like, you coulda gave that to, you know, Farren.
Jacci:Am I saying Freeren. Freeren.
Mac:Freeren. Free Ren. Like because I thought free like, based on the story, like, it wasn't super action and stuff like that, but sometimes you just wanna just sit and chill and watch a good story, and I think
Jacci:Yeah. We we we can talk about free run off offline.
Mac:It's one of those where where you're looking at it. It may just be the popular choice, you know, like how Demon Slayer is, like, the popular choice. I know I was guilty. At first, I was sitting there like, hey, man. I think just based off of what I've been seeing, the Hashira arc is kinda slow, but I'm thinking of Demon Slayer may win best anime for this year, You know?
Mac:And people are like, I don't know. Blah blah blah. And then the season finale drops and people are like, yeah. That mean it it might now, you know, after that shit. But, MAPA's been out here.
Mac:It's been popular, highly rated. You're looking at IMDB. It's 8.6 out of 10, 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. Who's giving this thing anything less than 5 on Rotten Tomatoes or 4? Like, there's people here giving this thing a 1 on Rotten Tomatoes, and I'm not even
Jacci:I think that they're I think and like I said, I think it's because and this is what I talked about previously. It's not you can't relate to a lot of the characters. It is purely just action based. Like, there's no let me start where I have 0 powers. I'm not strong.
Jacci:And then, you know, because some people like that. They like to see where you come from absolutely nothing. There's nothing about you, and then you go through this whole arc of getting better and then whatever. Yuji is, like, immediately from season 1. The dude's strong.
Jacci:He knows how to fight. Right? And this dude has the balls to just swallow this finger whole and just be like, fuck this. I'm gonna fucking eat this thing. And then he goes off, and now he and Sukuna are, like, as one.
Jacci:And it's hard because, like, I watched that, and I was like, yeah, dude. This Sukuna guy is sick, but it it's hard to realize, like, no, dude. This dude is actually not good. This guy wants to fuck shit up, and it's season 2 shows that.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:The freaking Shibuya arc, man. When so see I'll I'll talk about season 1 a little bit. Like, season 1 was good. It introduced a lot of characters. It made, you like Nobara a lot.
Jacci:I think she a lot of anime, especially shounen sometimes, one thing I've read is a lot of times they like to over sexualize a lot of females.
Mac:This is one
Jacci:of the very few animes where, like, she's not over sexualized. She is like a no shit. Like, she fuck. But she wants to be like like she wants to be like in this romance kind of thing and like be in love, but also she's like badass and like, doesn't care and all this stuff. She's super strong.
Jacci:Then you have her, you have Eugene, and you have Megumi who is, like, kinda mysterious. There's something about him that Gojo talks about. You're not really sure what he's talking about. Even in season 2, you're not you there's some things more, but you still don't totally know, like, what Gojo knows supposedly.
Mac:Right.
Jacci:And apparently in the manga later on, there's some more things about him. But Mhmm. The season 1, I think, really highlighted a lot of how, like, the personalities of, like, Yuji, Nobara. You bring Toto in. You bring freaking, what's his name?
Jacci:Inumaki with, like, the sushi and panda and, Maki where she can only see cursed things with her glasses. I think I like her a lot because she's one of the very few that actually does have some character development where she actually did start from nothing, and she had to make something of herself because she couldn't see her spirit. So now she needs these glasses. She's actually better than her sister.
Mac:So
Jacci:she's actually a huge favorite of mine because of that. She's badass.
Mac:I do like that dynamic.
Jacci:Yeah. Look, I I really liked season 1 because it was very, like, introductory. But but the thing is and I think why people don't like it is, like, everyone's just where they're at. They're already there. They're at these levels, and it is very dark.
Jacci:It is very it can be gory, and it can get confusing with a lot of the cursed powers. And that that's why I think some people will rate it low. Unless they just really like a show that just gets at it, just gets to it. And then the focus is more about, like, these super powerful people that are, like, causing mayhem and, like, these people are not shit compared to this. And it's, like, a lot of death, a lot of darkness, and a lot of, like, just how the fuck are they gonna, like, excuse my language, how are they going to just do this?
Jacci:Like, how are they gonna deal with this being where they're at right now, which is, like, nothing?
Mac:Yeah. I mean, it's like, I was looking at some of the one star reviews, and it's just like, man, it's, it it's people, I guess, who haven't even attempted to try to, like, watch past the first episode or something like that. Some people are giving it 1 star because they're like, season 2 is worse than season 1, so they're giving the whole anime 1 star.
Jacci:That's crazy. Because I think season 2 is fantastic.
Mac:Season 2 is bananas. Season 2 is bananas. Like, what do you guys talk about?
Jacci:And then also season 1, like, has one of the best freaking fights with Yuji and Toto against Hanami and how like, little brother. Like, brother. You know?
Mac:My man my man was hitting him with that clap thing. There. Oh, buddy. He's like, what is happening? He's getting
Jacci:punched out. By the way, if you notice, him and Yuji were one of the or he was one of the hands in the opening with specials.
Mac:Right.
Jacci:Just sick.
Mac:Yep. Bro, it
Jacci:it was
Mac:bro. I've it's everybody You
Jacci:haven't usually died when took out
Mac:a spoiler. Oh, no. That's not a spoiler.
Jacci:That's not a spoiler. No. No. It's not a spoiler. That was in season 1, man.
Jacci:Yeah. Earlier. We're talk we're talking about stuff. Right? We're talking about stuff that happened.
Mac:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were talking about, like, season 2 people not
Jacci:being around. No. No. I'm talking about, like, are we allowed to talk about season 2 stuff?
Mac:Not too much.
Jacci:Okay.
Mac:We try not to get into the too many details with with stories and stuff like that. Try to keep it as general because we we wanna, like, have this have this show kinda be a a introduction of sorts, like, given a little bit of data, but not and see if
Jacci:it's gonna be a big deal.
Mac:Yeah. I'll
Jacci:be careful about it then. But
Mac:Without this part.
Jacci:Going back to the fight
Mac:once. Yep.
Jacci:Well, really, actually, talking about the when Yu g lost control, you know, because obviously, like, he now invests this demon. He has to now prove demon. I said demon. I meant cursed spirit. Yep.
Jacci:He That's when he realized
Mac:there was levels to it, though, because he was just like, I'm a come in here with this fucking butcher knife.
Jacci:Yeah. And my
Mac:dad was like, slice? Well, damn. Yeah. So yeah. Season
Jacci:I thought season 1 was sick. I thought it was cool to show the way that they introduce people and work together. And the the the relationship between Yuji and is also, like, I like it, and it made me want to like, but then
Mac:It's like a, it reminds me of, like, a Eddie Brock venom type thing.
Jacci:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mac:It. You know? Because because, you know, he's just like, quit taking over my body, all of that other stuff. And
Jacci:then Yeah.
Mac:And low key, Sukuna, like, when Yuji is in trouble, because if if you tap into the either read the manga or watch the anime, like season 2, like, Yuji finds out, you know, there's levels to certain stuff. You just can't go in there with and punch people with with your stuff. Like, the people you're running into now are are high level, evil sorcerers. There's parts where, like, his life is in danger and, you know, Secunda's like, what? Step aside.
Mac:Let me let me run this for a little bit, and and, you you quickly realize all of that stuff. But just like you were saying, the cast of characters alone in this show, it's it's it's not for it's not face value. Like, they're not throwing characters in here to just be here and gone. Like, each character you you get to know about them, even the like, the panda shows up, and you're just like, oh,
Jacci:this is I love panda. Panda.
Mac:Right? And you're just like, oh, this is just the standard anime goofy animal that's in the
Jacci:It's not.
Mac:Then you see the backstory. You're just like, oh, this motherfucker is serious about this shit, bro. Like, when my man transforms and is about to get ready to to to fight, you know, it's it's serious. Then you got my man, yeah, you got my man, Kento, who shows up. Like, he just got off the, you know, working at a bank, you know, giving somebody a book.
Mac:And then he shows up. He looks at his watch. He's like, bro, it's go time. Like, if characters that show up on this you're just like
Jacci:overtime now. Nanami?
Mac:He gets mad. He's like, now I gotta go to overtime. Now I gotta really fuck you up. You know? And you're just like like, he comes into the like, each character they bring on, it's for a reason.
Jacci:And it's also exciting. It's constantly exciting. Yes. What I think is a big difference for people who wanna watch a Juju Kaisen between season 1 and season 2. Season 1 is very exciting.
Jacci:You get all these relationships, these fight scenes. But season 2 is just in the beginning, it's, you almost yearn for a whole separate, like, anime almost for those characters, but you get a good backstory of, like, how those characters became or how this kinda started almost. And it's good because it makes you, and that's why I mean my Jujutsu Kaisen where it's not centered around the freaking main character like it's supposed to be. It's not a traditional anime. Another anime that does this is like chainsaw man.
Jacci:Chainsaw man is very similar where, like, yes, you have the main character in the first, like, 2, 3 episodes, but then it goes into all these other characters that, like, it's not just centered around this one person. But did you do Kaizen getting into, like, season 2 is, like, you go into the past for, like, 4 episodes, I believe it is, or 5? 4. 4. 5.
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:And
Jacci:then it gets back into it and it's like a complete shift into what your emotions were season 1. Now you're in season 2 and it's just like horror. And you don't know how to feel now about some people who you were liking, other people who you would form this attachment with, and now you're seeing things happening. And it's just a constant like, every episode was just, like, constant just anxiety. Like, you have anxiety for each episode, but also excitement because you're just like, what's gonna happen now?
Jacci:What's gonna happen now? What's gonna happen now? And it's it's shocking. It's very shock value. Indeed.
Jacci:I think it's what makes it so great. And then talking about the movie a little bit, the movie was good because it talks a bit about the other characters and another character that's extremely important later on or who will be important next season really. And and that's what I like. Like, back in the day when anime would have movies, it was not really candid. Dude.
Jacci:It was always just like, hey, here's a movie.
Mac:That's even nowadays because My Hero is the biggest culprit of that shit.
Jacci:Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. You're right.
Mac:My hero movie comes out, you're like, yo, what the hell is this? Like, they're gonna give you some nice animation and shit, but does it tie to the story? No. And that's why I think
Jacci:Jujutsu Kaisen, I like because of 1 movie. Even Demon Slayer does it too, but you have to watch the movie in order to know what is going on. Jujutsu Kaisen did the same thing. You have to watch the movie. If you don't watch that movie, you have no idea
Mac:Who these people are.
Jacci:Yes. And, like, what's happening and and the understanding of, like, these characters and why this is so important. I I think Jujutsu Kaizen is not about Yuji. It's actually about Gojo and Geto truly, and all of them and how what happened with them is now affecting what's happening now and has caused all this shit now. Because really what it comes down to is, I think it was in season 2.
Jacci:I almost pull it too much, but between ghetto and someone else where they're having a conversation, the female, and then ghetto pretty much says, like, how he's feeling, which you see it in season 1 and even in the movie how Gato's he is the protagonist. You can Google it. He's the protagonist. They didn't do anything about it. They could've and they didn't, and now now look what's happening.
Mac:Yep. Because, I mean, in, I don't know. I think it was, like, late in that those first five episodes when, like, Gojo and Ghetto, they're, like, talking and Ghetto was kinda like, bro, you know, we we used to be kings. We used to be running this shit.
Jacci:Like, now we're best friends.
Mac:And that's what I'm saying. Like, that that dynamic right there in I guess you can say that's kinda like standard showman where you have, like, 2 best friends, and they just they go down different paths trying to get back, but I think Geto was, like, Geto was not the
Jacci:He's not truly
Mac:the to, Gojo's Naruto. Like, there's no I don't think there's any coming back to be like, you know what? Yeah. We're I I messed up. We can be friends again.
Mac:You know?
Jacci:I was reading something, though, about, like, what, I forget who it was. What the creator was, his inspiration between the relationships of it was like I think it was Naruto and Sasuke. He was inspired by that. So when he wanted to talk about the characters Oh my gosh. Where did I have it?
Jacci:Of what he oh, I it's right here. Yuji and Fushigoro were based on Naruto's Sasuke. So it's not Geto and
Mac:Ghetto and Belgian?
Jacci:Yes. It's actually, Fushigoro Yuji. Oh, goodness. Yes. Like, apparently because it's the fact that Yuji has a demon inside of him, which is similar to Naruto having the 9 tailed fox inside of him.
Jacci:Yeah. And then, you have Toshiguro who doesn't have that, but is constantly trying to, like, guide and help out, but also doesn't like him, but also kinda does. Like, that's where he based it off of. It's obviously a little bit different, but his inspiration for the relationship was based off of neurotoxin and Sasuke.
Mac:I can see that.
Jacci:But not Gojo's and Gato's, which is weird because you would think that's more similar. I think maybe more shippuden wise because With,
Mac:Kakashi and, what's his name? Obito? No. It's not. It is, isn't it?
Jacci:But it is. I would say that's whose relationship you get which you so you can as you watch this and if you are a huge star to an art shikunna fan, you can see elements. And like you said that he was influenced by this anime. You can see it
Mac:Mhmm.
Jacci:Go through it. You can see how some of it was influenced, but it still is different. It's still made in its own way because even the way they communicate and how some certain things happen throughout the seasons between them, it's not the same, obviously, which thank god because now you're just repeating stuff. But
Mac:Yeah. But it's just small things like that because you'll have that in, My Hero 2 between Deku and, you know, Bakugo. You know, like
Jacci:Which is, I think, standard shonen stuff when you look through that.
Mac:Yep. But like you said, they did have the movie as well. The movie did perform well. It came out after, I think, kind of right in the hype of the, the demon slayer, train arc movie, when everybody is just like, you know, anime is pretty dope out here in movies. They released the Kai jujutsu kaizen 0, which kinda gives the backstory of, Goju and, Gojo and Gedo kinda button heads, but then the first five episodes
Jacci:Utah. Yep. That's good centered around, which is what which when I first watched the movie, I didn't realize. And, my significant other, he also we we thought it was gonna be about, not Utah, but, Fushiguro.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:And then when we watched it, we realized it was about this
Mac:whole different person. Showed up. Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. Which we were like, who who the who is this? Didn't failed. Yeah. Didn't understand how important it is, but for people who wanna watch this, everything's important.
Mac:It it
Jacci:means something. They all they all matter. They will they will they will happen.
Mac:They they introduced them for a reason. Like, anytime somebody's brought in this show, you're just, like, they're either about to do something now or they're gonna show up later on.
Jacci:Exactly. Which I did like his character. Originally, when I watched the movie, I was kinda like, stay safe.
Mac:He's so whiny.
Jacci:Yeah. And then even, like, the the thing that he had with the cursed spirit, I was like
Mac:That's weird.
Jacci:I guess.
Mac:Right.
Jacci:It was still a good movie, but I just still, like, wasn't convinced on the who it was surrounding.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:But then as the movie went on, I was like, okay. This is a really good movie. And now watching season 2, I'm like, okay. This is alright. Full circle.
Mac:So, yeah, I know we could probably sit here and talk about the show. Like, again, here we try not to do too much, giveaway too much about it because we do want people to check-in and and for themselves.
Jacci:Please please edit it. I'm sorry.
Mac:I know. I don't think you because what you talked about, old buddy, like
Jacci:Oh, in the beginning? Yeah. Because he didn't really just so everyone knows. He didn't really die. It was like a thing.
Mac:It's like episode 5 or 4 of,
Jacci:like, season 1.
Mac:Like, it's not a, like obviously, like, otherwise, it'd be The
Jacci:dude's alive. Yeah. Like, it's not a spoiler. Right? It's more so it was just a thing where you're like, oh, shit.
Mac:But, so, normally, we would roll from here, or I'd do this before we leave. We talked about the anime, all of that stuff, talked about the manga. Top three characters for you from JJK. What you got?
Jacci:Oh, dude. I'm gonna say Nobara for sure.
Mac:Uh-huh.
Jacci:Toto, and, like I said, I like Maki.
Mac:You know what? I ask people this.
Jacci:Not a whole lot not
Mac:a whole lot of people take Yuji. You know that? More people say Tacuna than Yuji.
Jacci:I can see that. I understand why.
Mac:Uh-huh.
Jacci:Season 2 made me think differently. But also, not kidding, when I say also, when I saw it, I'm like, damn, dude, but still, like, this is crazy. This is such a good antagonist. Like, this is such a good freaking, like it is so good with making you like him and just going into this, dude, this brighter. But to go with, like, my top 3, I talked about maki.
Jacci:It is a toss-up between maki and inumaki, which is the he only can speak in sushi ingredients. Because I personally think this dude's power is insane. Like, I I think it's so underrated when he does really master it and he is able to do.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:I just really like him. I like his character style. I like the whole concept behind him. I think it's great. I love Maki's, like, whole thing, dude.
Jacci:I don't know. I I've never been I've always been that person where, like, I'm either, like, for the main character and then, like, some others, but this is the first show I've ever liked other characters more than and even more other characters than even the other like, a lot of people will say Magooki. Like, they love Magooki. Like, Steven loves Maguire. Navara is always a favorite of a lot of peoples, but I don't know.
Jacci:It's the first show of ever. I'm like, yeah. I mean, the main character is good. I love Yuuji, but I don't know. I just love these other ones, and I want more screen time for these other ones.
Mac:Yep. Agreed. I would say, like, it it changed season to season for me. Season 1, I was a big, Nobara, and she she's still up there. I like Nobara, Megumi for sure.
Mac:And then there was something about Gojo. Like, Gojo's your your typical, like he's the overpowered, but, like, you know, he's the dude that that comes through, saves everybody when shit hits the fan. Right?
Jacci:There's something about just an over just a character that's already there. And I have to add my 2¢ into, like, anime. I want an anime where there is a female character that is just also already there, And that's what it's rounded up. There's never I can't remember an anime unless it's if you look back in the nineties, early 2000, where the main characters are female and she's already powered up or going through the character development.
Mac:Or they would just show up, like, later in the anime. Because I think the only one I could, like, off top is, like, Black Clover. There was the
Jacci:watch black clover, which we've had discussions.
Mac:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and I told you, like, I watched it, but it was like a job. Because, like, I would just come home and be like, let's let's let's go.
Mac:And, you know But
Jacci:then I canceled it. I'm not
Mac:There's this one.
Jacci:There's this one I'm not sure. My it is on my list of, like, just try it again. I'll get there eventually. I just gotta mentally prepare myself.
Mac:Jackie, you just gotta play it in dub and then just, like, do other stuff, like, do homework, read, or something. And then, like, when fights start, you turn and look.
Jacci:Listen. I listened to both the sub and dub to see if
Mac:it was better, and it just There bro. Asta.
Jacci:I I I get it because the whole character concept is he's supposed to be loud and obnoxious. I get it.
Mac:I will say this. Naruto was I think I'm gonna be and Naruto was his voice was not there. But, you know, like, I'm just like, man, Naruto, it does have a a kinda whiny quality to his voice. Asta with this word 1 out of this motherfucker's mouth. Yeah.
Mac:I did it. I did it.
Jacci:Like 4 4 episodes for me. I couldn't do it, man. I stopped, and everyone's like, you
Mac:Which the dub, I'm just like, he's loud and dubbed too. So alright. So what?
Jacci:That's how he's written it. It says it in the like, that's how he spoke. So I get it. I I do understand, and that's what when I go back and I decide to watch it, it's like well, I was talking about how people will only watch it week by week if they really care about it. And then there's people who will just wait until they just you know, I am that person with that anime.
Jacci:Like, I will just I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait until I finally can commit myself, and then I'll watch it.
Mac:I tell you what. Like, I started, Black Clover was out. I'm, like, I'm trying to watch it week to week. I got to about, like, episode 12 stops. Check-in a few months later, I was like, oh, there's, like, 10 episodes for me to try to catch up on.
Mac:Couldn't watch all 10 at once. So it ended up I ended up having a backlog based on the fact that plus other anime were coming out during it, and I'm just like, this is way better to watch than this one. So, again but they're just, I forget her name, but she comes, like, later in the later in the season. So it's not like Gojo who shows up season 1 and, takes out, Jojo, like, just fucking ridiculously easy. You know?
Mac:Like, my man calls up his expansion like, oh, I got him.
Jacci:And go to a Yuji, like, he's a fucking step stool?
Mac:Yeah. And then, you know, Goju is just like, oh, that's a cute expansion. Watch this shit fucking bow and then fucking Boom. Yeah. Carrying his head later.
Mac:You know, 2 seconds later, his car is like, goddamn. Like, yo, this man is off the fucking chain. So, it's just good to see that. And then I think that what comes with that without giving too much away is, like, then they'll come into, scenarios in season 2 where, you know, Gojo is just put in a position where it's just like, damn. He's is he gonna get out of this shit?
Mac:So then you start seeing it ups the the ante a bit. Because at first, you're just like, Gojo's the guy who's just gonna come and save everybody. But then he gets put in a situation like, well, who's gonna come and save Gojo then? So
Jacci:I I think with Gojo, what helps, though, that the creator did well is that even though Gojo is the strongest, he's actually not the most liked. And that helps with him not being a, what's the word that I a Mary Jane character.
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:It helps him even though he's got all these powers and he's the strongest. He's not liked, and he has a soft spot for people, which
Mac:Yep.
Jacci:Can hinder him, and that's what can make him more liked because of that. Yeah.
Mac:I see that. 100%.
Jacci:I do know that you wanna talk about future anime, so we don't have to go any deeper than I will tell you.
Mac:That's our our our next section, which is called, put this on your radar. So, usually, that's Apache, but since you're the guest tonight, I'll let you, put some people on to some anime they may or may not know about. Alright, Jack. What you got for him?
Jacci:So there is there is some anime that I have on my radar to watch. There's some anime that I have been watching that's newer that I think some people have been watching, not watching. Some things I do wanna talk about that I think some people have been watching is what you talked about, which is Mashaal. Oh. I will forever we won't have a quick detail.
Jacci:I'm just gonna put it on there. Other things, if you haven't read the manhwa I think it's manhwa. Solo leveling. Kaiju number 8. Dude, first of all, the opening and the ending.
Mac:And the ending. Okay. There you go.
Jacci:Okay. The anime is sick. Other things, I don't know if anyone's ever watched this. This is an older anime. It's called, Punchline.
Jacci:It is. I'm not even gonna say what it is because a person that got me to watch Punchline did not tell me what it was about. They didn't even give me anything. They just said watch it.
Mac:To watch the
Jacci:first episode, I messaged them, and I said, what do you have me watching right now? Because you're gonna immediately think it's a harem. And he's like, listen. Just keep watching. I kept watching to episode 4, 5,
Mac:and I
Jacci:was like, wait. What's going on? And it changed my perspective of the anime, and it's only 12 episodes, and it was really good. Really, really good. It's like, have you ever watched Erased?
Jacci:Where a race is kind of a mystery and you don't know what's gonna happen kind of thing? It's kinda like that where you don't know what's going on until, like, the end kind of thing. Other ones that are, like, out that I don't think a lot of people watch but they're on my radar to watch is the, Delicious and Dungeon. It's the one where it's on Netflix, and Yep.
Mac:It's a
Jacci:dude that, like, chills freaking demons and eats them and tells them how delicious they are. I definitely like that on my list to watch and I've heard it's like absolutely amazing. The other ones that are on there is also Sengoku Yoko. It's up there too for, like it's like a brother and sister, demon type that not a fan of humans, but are, like, trying to learn how to be. And it's heard nothing but absolute great things about that one.
Jacci:It's also, one that's like how to use healing magic in I'm saying it wrong.
Mac:One of those long long titles?
Jacci:Yes. That one is supposedly really good. The Suicide Squad Isekai that just came out, I have not watched it yet, but I definitely think that should be
Mac:Is that on Next?
Jacci:It is on Hulu.
Mac:Okay.
Jacci:And then one that me and Steven have been watching is called Onimushu. It's on Netflix.
Mac:It's on this
Jacci:samurai guy. Dude, pretty sick. It's like comic book kind of, style animation. Really good. I like it a lot.
Jacci:It's really good. And then this new one that's been kind of being more popular, and I kinda wanna check it out. It's called Mayanaka Punch. It's about a bunch of females, and apparently, some of them have strong powers. I have not watched it yet, but I watched a clip of it, and this one chick got thrown, just tossed into a wall by another chick, another that's you.
Jacci:Looks pretty sick. I will talk about free reign if you have not watched free reign yet. I don't know what you're doing. So many people are talking shit. I have friends of mine that are like, this is lame.
Jacci:Well, I'm sorry that Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer and all these other ones that are action packed constantly have, like, made you think there can't possibly be an anime. Just be chill, but also have, like, these great just a great story.
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Goodness. I think those are the biggest things. I would say, like, if you had to watch we looked at the next season. The next season looks a lot, it kinda looks lame. I think fall fall looks like it's gonna bring some interesting titles that I watch on country wall country crunchy roll.
Mac:Crunchy roll.
Jacci:Crunchy roll. Crunchyroll has some, all titles that are coming out that look a little bit more interesting.
Mac:Mhmm.
Jacci:But though those are the ones that we're kind of looking at. If anyone hasn't watched, it was like oh, it's about a cat one. Oh my god. It's actually really great. It's a, Slice of Life.
Jacci:It was like cat anime. I can't remember the anime name. The masterful cat is depressed again today.
Mac:How do you come across these? Are they recommended to you or you just you just go to Crunchyroll and just scroll over and be like, this one looks kinda fun.
Jacci:When I reach when I'm watching anime and I finish one, I'm like, alright. What else is out there? And then I look up some title, and I'll look up some Reddit stuff and feel like you should watch this. And then I try it. I'm like, this is a huge slice of life.
Jacci:It's different. The masc that is depressed again today. It's about a cat that's literally, like, 8 feet tall. It's about this cat that cooks and cleans for their human who can literally cannot without their cat. It is funny, and it's it's a slice of life.
Jacci:It's very a chill. So if you like just chill, not like crazy anime. Sometimes those anime is the best where you're just like, I wanna watch something chill. So if I had to tell anyone to watch some that those are the ones I would say to try checking.
Mac:That's what I thought. At the top, I would say
Jacci:Kaiju number 8 for sure.
Mac:Oh, yeah. Kaiju number 8 is that should be on a lot of people's radars because, again, you know, it's, one of those anime that the manga's doing well, the anime is performing well, people are just like, yo, this is, the the season of anime is upon us. You know? A new anime will come out. A lot of these companies, they're putting their their money where their mouth is when it comes to the animation.
Mac:So, it gets the word-of-mouth that, the demon slayer gets and stuff. So I will say shout out to Demon Slayer My Hero and things like that for for, you know, making that the standard because there was a time where, like, we would start to get a great animated thing, AKA 7 Deadly Sins or, a promised Neverland, and then companies would be
Jacci:neverland's animation kinda fucked that up in season 2.
Mac:Yeah. And and companies will get lazy and be like, let's rush this whole thing or let's skip on some of the animation, skip the budget on that. And so, Ufotable's not holding back. MAPPA isn't. And then, a lot of these other companies, like, we've been talking about with, you know, bones, a one, things like that.
Mac:For mine, real quick, there's a anime called, and I came across it because, Black put me on it called bartender glass of gold.
Jacci:Oh,
Mac:yes. Yeah. And, that that one, I'm just like, oh my god. This is, this ain't bad. It's, it's not a shonen.
Mac:It ain't no big fights or anything. It's this dude. He's like a prodigy, mixologist, bartender, whatever you wanna call him. Works in this this bar that not everybody can get to. People are going there.
Mac:They're having problems in life and things like that. And my man, you know, he'll listen and and fix the right drink. I'm low key watching this shit. Like, I wanna try one, and, you know, I'm a try to make So
Jacci:you wanna you know what? You wanna know what that's based off of?
Mac:What's that?
Jacci:It's based off of a video game.
Mac:Is it?
Jacci:Yeah. There's a video game. I played it on Switch. I'm playing it currently. It's, I think it's called bartender, and it is the bartender makes a specific drink that the person wants to have, and then they talk about, like, whatever they're going through.
Jacci:It's just a huge, like, what's it called? They call those games, oh my god, indie. Indie chill games. Okay. It is a very like, it's like Stardew Valley is very chill.
Jacci:It's like those types of games where you don't have to really do much except, like, read and press a and make
Mac:the, you know, create.
Jacci:Yeah. But it's like a just story based. I think
Mac:that is
Jacci:that is what that's based off of. Well, I think because I play that video game. Video game's been out for a
Mac:while. Yeah.
Jacci:So you saying that, that is that video game.
Mac:Yeah. I I like it. Again, it's one of those, you know, just, it's it's just like music. You just can't watch shonen all the time. You just can't watch these these heavy action ones.
Mac:Just sit back.
Jacci:No. You get burned out.
Mac:You know? Yeah. Just because then they all look the same. Just sit back. Why it's only 11 episodes too, so it's it's a quick watch watch all of that stuff.
Mac:It's good times. But
Jacci:Before we end though, I did wanna show you what I got from my, anime convention I went to. So I got this drawing.
Mac:That is dope.
Jacci:When I was there, and then I also got this one.
Mac:That's cool.
Jacci:We're gonna put that up in our wall of our video game anime area. So we went to a the anime convention that came, and there's this guy that was just making drawings out of just pen. And, and then he he would take some of them, and then he would put them on his computer, and then he would make it a little bit more digitized so it's more clean. But
Mac:Yeah.
Jacci:Yeah. We saw a lot of Jujutsu Kais and stuff when we're out there.
Mac:Man, it's it's it's the new hotness, and I'm sure the next time anime convention comes around, you'll see some, Kaiju number 8 stuff over there. And, you know, it's I I I don't know. It it's just I just love the fact that it's growing and it and it's being more, widespread out there. You know? Because, like, at first, like, I I'm walking in Target and people are just like, yo, man.
Mac:Where'd you get that shirt? I love that shirt. I'm just like Yep. My peoples. You know?
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:Yeah. Come come let's talk while my wife shops. Let's talk about the fucking latest season of this shit. You know? It's it's fan theory some stuff.
Mac:But, awesome shows to put on there. And then, if you guys have any more, if you're watching or listening, you know, feel free to put them down in the comments because I I have a continually living document that just when people recommend an anime, I just put it on there and be like, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. So, I'm never gonna say no.
Mac:I will always give everybody's suggestion a chance because sometimes, you know, that's how you stumble upon these hidden gems. That's why I hang out with you, Jackie, because you you always put me on. What was the, like, super cat that cleans for the I'm just like, I
Jacci:The masterable cat is depressed again today. Dude, it's so funny, man.
Mac:Me seeing that title, I'd be like, never in my life. But if you're just you're just like, dude, it's it's legit. Like, because you
Jacci:put me slice of life. It is 100% a slice of life, man.
Mac:Jackie put me on fruit baskets because I was in my whole
Jacci:Oh, man.
Mac:I was like, if it ain't got people fighting and shit, I ain't trying to see it. I thought I was cultured because I was like, you know, I watched Death Note. That's not a shonen. I've been around. I know what I'm talking about.
Mac:She's like Fruit Basket.
Jacci:Fruit Basket is a classic.
Mac:I don't know. Then I watched it. I'm just like, no. This is better than most drama television that's out there right now. You know what I'm saying?
Mac:Like It's a
Jacci:drama, romance, kind of fantasy action.
Mac:It was I will say this. It it if you are a heavy shonen person, like, it it'll it'll take a while because you you have that itch. Like, bro, when are nobody fighting around here. I don't like it. I don't like it, but
Jacci:you said have the love for the game in order to really enjoy.
Mac:Yes. Yes. But, that is all we have for as far as putting people onto newer ones. We'll get back to our regularly scheduled programming, and then we will, you know, give you guys some parting shots, and, we'll be done. I thought it was funny you're talking about Lofi, and I'm just like, bro, like
Jacci:As soon as you put that on, I was like, nice. This is it. This is where it needs to be.
Mac:But yeah. So, episode 3 of, keep the cake anime. JJK, you know, review. Some sidetracking stuff, but I mean, that's to happen when because I haven't talked to my girl here about anime in, like, forever. And like we talked about in the beginning, like, we would fuck around and start talking about some shit, and it'd be, like, 5 hours later.
Jacci:Yeah. That's our shit ended at 5 AM. Sometimes.
Mac:Yeah. Like, not.
Jacci:We also had, like, 8 people sometimes in it. So
Mac:Yeah. I mean, it was like a big nerd session. We're just like, man, what about this one and that and this that and the 3rd, but it was good having you on. I know you where we at? 50.
Mac:I mean, we when we log off, we can we can chop it up because I need to get your thoughts on, your your reaction. And we'll probably do this when everybody can jump on. Like, I just wanna get everybody's reaction.
Jacci:Yeah.
Mac:That final episode of this past season of, demon slayer because a lot of people were upset. Oh, this is so slow. It's grinding. It's so and then that last episode drops. Everybody's fucking back on board and shit now.
Mac:You know what I'm saying? It's We'll
Jacci:talk we'll talk about it. Yeah.
Mac:But, as always, thank you guys for tuning in. And I wanna say thank you to you, Jackie, for, giving us some of your time. I know your time is precious. Busy person over there settling in, getting your house set up and everything, but take your time to come kick it with the homie and talk about some anime. I really do appreciate it.
Jacci:Oh, dude. Thank you so much for messaging me and asking me to do this. I was so excited. So this was awesome. Thank you so much.
Mac:Too easy. We'll have to do it again. 100%. So not sure what we're gonna talk about next week, so we'll probably I'll probably hit you up to see if you have any suggestions and, when you'd be free again, if you wanna come back on and all that good stuff. And, as always, just stop complaining and just enjoy the anime.
Jacci:Till next time. Yeah. Peace.