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This podcast was born from a belief that meaningful growth doesn’t happen overnight. The things that really matter—in life, business, art, relationships—often take time, patience, and unseen investment. And yet, we live in a culture that constantly pulls us toward immediacy: fast food, AI, and overnight success stories.
But the reality is:
Anything truly worth building usually takes time. Success doesn't arrive in an instant.
We take the time to ask our amazing guests, what are the things that are worth putting in the time and investing in, even if we don’t see results for a long time?
10. Jessica - Main
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Speaker: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Bamboo Method, investing in the Unseen, a show about what it's like to play the long game with fast food, two-day shipping and so-called overnight success stories. We live in a world that tells us if you don't see results by tomorrow, maybe it's just not worth it. But anything worth building usually takes time.
So we're here to ask what are the things that are worth putting in the work and investing in? Even if we don't say results for a long time. Today's guest is Jessica Hanen, founder of Henderson Home Interiors and made for home businesses that create spaces centered around how people feel and connect, be it through home goods, kitchen, and bathroom models.
Our full service interior design. Jessica's journey began in a small town in Montana, growing up around entrepreneurship and a deep sense of home. Her creativity and passion eventually led her to interior design school at Montana State [00:01:00] University, then to cutting her teeth at a local business in Billings, Montana.
Over time, Jessica wanted to create a holistic interior design experience of her own, and Hannah's and home Interiors was born. In this episode, Jessica talks about building both a business and a family, the unseen years behind overnight success and how hustle doesn't always last.
Speaker 2: Hi Jess. Thanks for being here today.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Well, we're excited to have you and um, really excited to hear what we have to say. We'll get into personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This idea of things that we nurture that take a long time to bear any fruit or results.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: What is that for you in your personal life? What are you nurturing right now?
Speaker 3: Hmm. I mean, I think the obvious answer would probably be my kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the most literal and um, sense of the word, right? You're watching them from an infant stage to growing up and um, kind of trying to nurture this little human [00:02:00] while you're like figuring it out. There's no playbook, right? And so, you know, I think that would be the one thing that I would say.
That I'm trying to nurture the most is my kids, um, just because I feel like they're our most important work. And at the end of the day, especially as I, as our businesses grow, I feel like the number one thing is I feel like you do it for your kids, right? Yeah. It's about building something, because at some point, right, Christian and I like, we're building this, building these businesses and trying to build an empire, right?
And. At some point though, um, we're the ones grinding this out, we're maybe not gonna enjoy it. Like my kids probably will, hopefully at the end of the day. And so I think that we wanna build a legacy for them and also show them that this is like this, all things are possible. And, um, and also help them, like my mom did, help them see [00:03:00] what they would, what their dream would be.
Help them navigate that at such a young age. It's hard to know, but if you're super in tune with your kids, hopefully you can help them see where their potential is and where they could go with their future. And, um, so I would say the kids are probably and will always be, even when I'm 80.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing that I'm always trying to nurture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And how do you, how do you ride that balance with business building an empire?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Kids at home and Yeah. Even that tension of. It takes a lot of little things, daily things. Mm-hmm. Weekly things that you're hoping will pan out to bear some work. Totally. How have you read that time, that tension?
Speaker 3: I think there's different seasons of it.
I think there's been times, unfortunately, and I always joke with everybody, but it's kind of sad. Well, it's not sad, but it was a choice. But I think I forgot to have more kids because Sen home was my third kid, you know, and, and then made for home. And, um, I think when you. In the early stages of business, I did [00:04:00] have to be more, I did have to sacrifice more time with my, less time with my kids in the beginning for sure.
And I think that is something that. Um, I don't know if you could be okay with it, but it has to be, it's a choice, right. And that was something that I still made them my, uh, my priority, but at the same time, like when I went and put them to bed at night, sometimes I'd have to go back down to the store or I would get the laptop out or I, I mean, even, and so, you know, in the early, in the early days.
It is you, you do have to sometimes make choices. Sometimes it's not a balance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's like, okay, I do have to do this, and I, I have to, and then I gotta figure out a plan to be able to transition out of it. And so I think that it's just navigating that and also having a spouse that is super supportive and, um, we both were riding that wave together and we just, you know.
We pick each other up when the other one needed it. And I think that is important. And then I think there is times as we grow, [00:05:00] um, grow the businesses, you know, you gotta then start looking at, okay, like this isn't sustainable anymore. And so finding the right people to put into positions, um, to take some of that burden off of your plate.
And so I think it's also crucial as we grow, which I'm navigating currently, and. Still learning how to do this, but I would say that a lot of it is predicated too on your scale and growth with who you put in place to help you do that.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Um, finding the right employees, finding the people that are gonna fill in certain roles and be able to go with you, um, that believe in your vision and are gonna work hard alongside you.
'cause as a small business, you're gonna do a lot more tasks than are comfortable.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Right. You don't have the money to hire everything out. And so you just got to stretch thin for a minute and then hopefully keep going, and then also just taking the jump and hoping like, okay, I am gonna invest in this person or in this role.
And then I know that that has to be able to turn into X, Y, Z to help us grow too. So I think that it's [00:06:00] a, a mixture of things. I, I love to tell you, oh, you can navigate it and it will be fine. And, and that there is 100% balance and you can have it all. But there is moments that you do have to choose and sometimes you don't like the choice At the end of the day, you pick, you, you, I think it's important to know what your number ones are.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You're non-negotiables, and that is my husband and my kids. And so with that always in mind, yes, if I did have to work late or I'm, or whatever, you know that like you might do that once or twice or you have to, but you know that that's not gonna become a habit because you do have your number ones and everything has to support those number ones.
Because honestly, if I had to choose. I'd be like, oh, burn it all to the ground. I'm taking my family. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's not, it's not the number one thing on your radar. And so you have to, um, you have to just navigate it and there is hard times and, and you have to get through it together.
But if you make it a priority and if you truly, [00:07:00] if that is your number one, you will find a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To make it still to where they don't feel like you didn't choose them or whatever. Mm-hmm. Because my kids, I would hope, would say that I don't miss anything.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm always there, like I'm not, and I'm not going to, you know, um, but then that might mean that I have to work super late here or work the weekend here and, and that's just, that is probably the balance as much as it's not like maybe ideal to most.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes you just have to do what you have to do as a small business to try and. To try and grow and get to the other side that you're like, oh, I'm proud. That was a moment that I didn't love, but it got us here and I'm comfortable here. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. Um, were there any times in that that you were thinking, I, I don't wanna do this anymore?
Speaker 3: Oh, Sam, so many
Speaker 2: like that, that you, that pu almost pushed you to, that wasn't like momentary. Were there any times where you almost did transition out of entrepreneurship?
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's funny, right? You would think that was in the [00:08:00] beginning stages, which it was a little bit, but it was exciting then. Sure, sure.
I would say actually I even within the last six months I've had that, those thoughts.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I think, and that the highlight reels of social media, man, it's just, it ain't it, you know? And as a business owner and, um, when you're growing and. Oh, the stuff, if I could put the real stuff on social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nobody's ready. Yeah. Nobody wants to hear all that. Yeah. I mean, they do, but they don't, and you have to like, maintain this level of, um, leadership and professionalism and all the things too. And, um, and take the high road a lot. And so there's, there's always gonna be those moments that are like, oh, I'm gonna.
How bad do you want it? Yeah. And I think that, I think that's part of it, right? Like, how bad do you really want it? Um, and then, you know, you, you, you sink your teeth back in and you get [00:09:00] going and, but there's, especially, I would say growth is, um, I feel like growth is harder to navigate than starting.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I, I, I, I will.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Because when you start, it's so simple.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And, and it's not right. It's scary. Um, but you just, you, you, in a lot of ways, you're kind of blissfully unaware.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, you just jump and you're like, oh, I'm gonna do this, and you're on fire. Right. You got the hustle.
Like, yeah. That was my mantra when I started Hansen Home was hustle. Hustle. That was just like, I could have tattooed it across my forehead. It's just hustle. Get up, go to work, show up. Yeah. And so, and I, and you still do that, but after like going on six years, you're like, whew. You know? Um, yeah.
Speaker 2: Hustle.
Speaker 3: What does hustle look like to me?
Yeah. Now you know. Yeah, that's right. It's not sustainable.
Speaker 2: No, it's, that's the thing is like HU Hustle can pay the bills for like six, eight years or so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, you can just hustle, hustle, hustle. It'll keep you going.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It will.
Speaker 2: And almost deceiving that a word deceiving long.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Making you think [00:10:00] like, I hustle's just gonna keep me, I'm so good at it.
And then at some point that'll fade.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like grow. Yeah. Then growing comes in. 'cause if you just keep pounding the sand like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you, and it's, and it's, it's rewarding. It's all the things. Yeah. But at the same time, you're like, okay, the hustle can only go so far. Yeah. Like I can only stretch so far, and I would say 100%.
I'm way more busy than I ever was when I first started. I put on more roles, more hats. Yeah. More my beginner self would look at me now and be like, holy cow. Yeah. Like, how are you gonna. Whatcha gonna do with all this? And I think it, it, so, you know, it's, it, I don't know. It's just navigating, um, navigating growth, you know, it, because it's big expenses.
It's a lot on the line. It's more people that rely on you. It's, it's a lot of things. And so that, and then knowing how to, as a control freak, knowing how to also offload some of that stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Be okay with it. [00:11:00] Maybe not being to what you would do, right? Like learning to not be okay with that task being done to what I would expect.
Yep. At a hundred percent. 'cause maybe my 100% is still like maybe that person I put in that role at 70 or 80%, that still might be really great. Yeah. To everybody else. You know what I mean? Like I think that's another thing in entrepreneurship that you learn is like you're 100% on every task. Maybe isn't even that important.
Yeah. Maybe that task can be at 80% and that's so really awesome. Yeah. For what my standard would be. Absolutely. You know what I mean? And so I think it's navigating all those things and also finding the right people. Yeah. To, to take your baby, love it, like you, and also see it through. And those are hard people to find.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, when you find them, you're like. Oh, this, this, this, this is my person.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm going to death grip that person now. Yeah. Like you are mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like you're coming with me. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I think [00:12:00] growth is way scarier than starting.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When you think about your home and what you want it to feel like for your girls
Speaker 3: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: What is that
Speaker 3: a place they just want to be and a place they always wanna come back to? I would and or even just a place where they feel safe. I think that there's the world and, um, in such a ever changing culture, right? With, with social media, with the internet, with ai, with how, what that all unknown stuff looks like.
I think that it, for me, I want my home to feel like, to feel like going back to the basics a little bit. Human connection, conversations, safety, almost like the, like a nineties childhood, like my childhood was like, how do I give that to, to my kids to feel like, okay, this truly is, is what is important in life.
And you can get caught up in the things that, or what society feels like you need to keep doing. And this ceiling's gonna always keep going [00:13:00] up. Yeah. Right. And it's easy to, it's easy to always feel like you're not doing enough. And so in a world that is telling you maybe you're not. You can come home and be like, okay, no, like this is good.
Like coming back to, I think us as humans we're born to have is like just that interaction and um. Conversations and just human connection.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: I always say the best compliment somebody could gimme is if they come into my home and take a nap. Like if they come in and they just take a nap, I'm like, yeah.
Oh yeah. Get on the blanket, get the food. Cooking. Like just welcoming people into your home and and things like that, I think is a very understated
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Special thing that you can do.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The safety to be able to just like relax, just turn it all off completely that you can fall asleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In
Speaker 2: someone else's home.
Speaker 3: Yep. It's the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, confide, I mean, even an idea makes me feel anxious to like, think [00:14:00] about sleeping at someone else's home. I'm like, ugh. You know? So, so that, yeah. I think to like that safety, um, yeah. What are some things that you guys do regularly that establish that safe place for the girls and for your whole family?
Speaker 3: You know, I think, um. For us, I would say that it's, it's not always like, it doesn't have to be like big things, right? It can be as simple as just, um, I think making a point to have even, and trust me, I'm not making home cooked meals every night. We've had Jimmy John's, I think like five times in the last week.
Alone. So. Sure. Like it doesn't have to be just like, it's been a big week for you though. It has been that this is a little bit of an outlier, but Yeah. Um, so even if you are picking up Jimmy John's or picking up sushi, like we're gonna sit down.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk as a family and be like, okay, how was everybody's day?
Love
Speaker: that.
Speaker 3: Gimme a good and gimme a bad. You know, like just being, I would say just being present and listening and um, just being there for your kids instead of having [00:15:00] distractions. Right? Yeah. And it's hard. My phone is blowing up all the time. I have emails coming in, the website's down, all this product isn't going.
My meta ads stopped running. Like there is always gonna be things that I could be doing for the businesses, but I also believe that God made me have my family. Because he knew I would work myself into oblivion. Yeah. And so they are even my pause button. Right. Yeah. They force me to pause and I think that's important.
And so I would say it's not big things always. I think it's just, for me it's creating cozy environments. It's making them, 'cause even kids, like if you, when you put up the Christmas tree, watch your kids' face
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like it, it's special.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right. And so it, I'm not saying that you have to have this curated, beautiful home, but if you do little things Yeah.
Like you're building the, like, the thing that I think that we don't think about enough is like I have my, my what makes me feel like all the nostalgic feelings, right? Yeah. And I think about all the things that my mom and dad did. Well, I'm doing that now for my kids.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker 3: So like I do put up a Christmas [00:16:00] village every year and.
I feel like my kids are gonna be like, when they get older and they come back, they're gonna see that and be like, oh, you know, it's gonna give them that nostalgic feeling, right? Yeah. And so I think what we're doing now, we gotta remember like it's okay to keep old stuff. Like it's okay to keep the same.
Christmas tree and the same ornaments every year. 'cause your kids might find that really nostalgic when they get older. You know? So it doesn't have to be always evolving and, and I know I'm saying that as like we're always evolving with home everything, but at the same time, like nostalgic and building a home doesn't always have to be flashy.
It can be just subtle things that make people feel. Loved or that this home is lived in, this is our home.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's not just a shell. This is, this is like, this is who we are. This is us. You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I would say it's being present more than anything for your kiddos, and then just creating an environment that feels cozy and feels like you and not a vacant shell.
Speaker 2: Mm. I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the like little points of consistency.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And like how [00:17:00] much, it's so easy as a parent, as a business owner. The idea that it's gotta be big and perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think social media has,
Speaker 3: and I even
Speaker 2: struggle
Speaker 3: with that to some degree
Speaker 2: right's. So tough to think like, oh, I gotta have all these big moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But how much of life and maybe all of life is actually a lot of little moments.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: And little things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I know as a dad, like I've struggled with, it's like, okay, I gotta do these like. Yeah. Transition to like, if I can just get the a a lot of little moments every day. Yeah. And push the needle every day.
And even business, right? We can think it's all these big steps. Totally. It's a lot of little moments that just can we push it every a little bit is take a step every day and you see where you've gotten. And I think that's all the big memories I have as, as a kid all the. Fond memories. A lot of little moments.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: When I think about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Wasn like just big trips or
Speaker 3: No,
Speaker 2: it was like the things that are truly special. Yeah. I like the little conversations. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: The things that happen in the everyday life.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: The little moments, the little conversations. Yeah. It's, [00:18:00] it's not, and that's what makes the whole encompassing memories of when you were younger, you know, and how you bring that in later in life and, uh, yeah, I don't.
I think it's just, honestly just being present in a world that wants you distracted. I think that's probably the number one thing.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: What have you carried on tradition wise from when you were a kid, thinking about like, the home? Is there anything that's been a golden thread through your life?
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I, I feel like I am, I don't have like any weird traditions necessarily. Mine are all probably pretty, um. Pretty like blueprint, I would say. My parents just did holidays Big. Hmm Not, not big actually. They were very modest. I would just say my mom made every. Holiday and birthday feel special.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I think that's just what I always try to do is, um, I'm the girl that likes to celebrate birthdays. They're important to me. Mm-hmm. I'm like, let's celebrate 'em, you know, and, and even with, um, holidays and stuff and just [00:19:00] decorating and all those things, I think just doing that type of stuff is probably my traditions is just making those moments feel special.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah. All of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, transitioning to the business side of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What in the business, and you could get with one specific or something you've carried through all of 'em. Mm-hmm. What are you nurturing in these days?
Speaker 3: Hmm. Nurturing, I would say. Um hmm.
Speaker 2: It could also be something that you've nurtured over the course of the years.
Mm-hmm. That, that you're starting to see the fruit of now.
Speaker 3: Okay. So I would say. Again, I think that people, especially when Nessen Home opened, they just thought like right away, like, oh man, what instant success? Or, or maybe they didn't, I don't know. But I, I do hear people say like, wow, like you have great big projects.
Like they're so big. Like you must feel so lucky that you, you have these big projects and like right away, [00:20:00] like this instant success and I'm. And, and they're right. I'm so thankful. Like we've been so lucky to have the projects that we do and to get to be a part of some really amazing things. But the thing they don't know is the seven years before Hansen Home opened.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was a lot of relationships. That was a lot of grinding. Um, and I had, I met some amazing people in those seven years. Um, and I did a lot of houses. A lot of houses, and so, you know, um. They just see the Sison home days and what that looks like now. But it's like, man, I, you, there really wasn't a lot of social, we did some social media stuff, but not a ton.
And so like nobody saw all those projects that aren't in the magazines now, or you know, or we didn't even hire photographers back then to shoot 'em, you know? Yeah. And so those seven years were a grind. I didn't have these projects until truly like. Eight, nine years in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like if you think about that, I think some people now because of social media, [00:21:00] people open up a design firm or they, um, or they're wanting to do something in this industry and they're like, gosh, Kennison home.
Just like they have these, like how are they getting those projects? And it's like, well, I, I haven't done this for over a decade.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm going on year 13. Like you're seeing the last five, and even the first two weren't that glamorous, but it was. It's also the uncomfortable stuff, right? It's going out.
It's building pe, building community. It's meeting people. It's selling yourself. It's not just posting something on Instagram and praying. Somebody calls. That was never my journey. My journey was going to the job sites, it was looking at the floor plans, it was talking to the contractors, and it was putting myself out there in uncomfortable situations.
Yeah. Um, and being like, I'm gonna bring you donuts next week. Like, you know, like, like how many times is it gonna take until I get your business? You know, like it's just, it's being in the uncomfortable situations. And I will say in the last few years we've been so fortunate to, we do have people at [00:22:00] Call now.
We do have people that come to us and it's not as much pounding the pavement and going and finding 'em. Yeah. They are finding us. Yeah. And that is something I'm so thankful for, but what they're not seeing was the last 10 years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And even like, like even. My team now that I have, it's like this was, this is not normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like these projects just didn't come through the door. I know maybe from this perspective that you're seeing it, they're just coming in the door and, and they're here and like now we do these big projects. It's like, man, this is what I've wanted for so many years, is to be a part of. These types of pro or being on projects that value hiring a designer.
Because half the time too, we're educating people on what that even is in our market. Yeah. It's not, I mean, there is a lot of amazing designers in this town, but that's, we still are not like maybe bigger populations where every project has a designer on them.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So a lot of times we are educating people on what we do and why, why you would hire us.
And you don't just wedge us in. You can't say, well, I have a [00:23:00] thousand dollars budget. You ain't gonna get us for a thousand dollars.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like that. Like we, we are literally your full-time employees. Pretty much for, for a year, two years. We had a project that just wrapped up after two and a half years.
Like, think about that. Like it's, it's a big deal. And so I, I mean, I, I think that's the thing that I have been nurturing that nobody really saw Yeah. Is that this is not, this was not an instant success. Yeah, this was actually a grind. And those first seven years nobody saw me. I mean, my clients did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I, I did do a lot of houses. Um, but at the same time, like I. Nobody saw those. Yeah, nobody's seen those projects. Nobody's even seen seven years of my work. You know, like, think about that. Like I did seven years full time weekends working late, and I don't even think I have one of those projects on our social media.
Seven years of work. Yeah. Is nowhere. And it, and that's just because that was just more the, when I opened Handen, [00:24:00] I'm like, okay, I'm going to, I'm, I have to kinda run this like a media company. We're a visual. We're a visual business. People need to see what we do. But like there was a lot that went into that before now and yes, we have these amazing ones now, but that that was also something that we had to work towards and nurture for a long time.
And are still nurturing. Yeah, to try and still continue to get them. Like you can't get complacent. You have to be customer obsessed. How can we give them the best experience and I'll die on that hill. That is the number one thing, is what is a customer experience? It's not about me, it's not about my anybody else.
It's about our customers and how can we give them the magic? How can we give them all those feelings and care enough and be honest, hardworking, all those things. That is, that is the number one thing.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, you gave a little bit of a glimpse of what that grind looked like.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Get into some of the like nitty and gritty of like, I took him donuts.
Like what were some of the things you're like, I'm gonna do this consistently. 'cause I know, like, what were some of those things?
Speaker 3: So I think the thing that, um, is so different now is like you [00:25:00] can go on social media and find a lot of builders or you can find a lot of contractors or, um. Or like, how would you get in front of, uh, people wanting do to do remodels and stuff?
And so back then that wasn't really the case. And even still now, sometimes when it gets slow, like we're gonna revert back to our old practices too. So it's like, okay. Um. A lot of, like when I was first starting, the first thing that Randy Mosad told me is like, go get in your car and drive. Go look for holes in the ground.
Go look for people moving dirt, get the sign. The nice thing is, is that builders usually have a sign with their phone number on it, and so I would go and I would drive and I'd write down every single phone number and the contractor's name. And a lot of times if I was feeling brave enough, they almost always have a floor plan on the job site.
And so I would walk out there and I mean, I still do this. I did this like six months ago. And so it's just, you know, you walk on the job site and you say, okay, is a contractor here? Who is the contractor? And sometimes they're, sometimes they're not. And then you call them, but if they are there, it's like, okay, no, we have a floor plan here.
[00:26:00] Do you mind if I just. Scale it really quick, like bring my little scale and I would sketch it in a notebook and I'd scale it and be like, I'll have a quote to you within like the next few days if you would just at least gimme like some time to meet with me. And it's, the crazy part is a lot of those contractors now have retired.
You know, and so like, but that was a, um, that was something that I did to start out, like you just have to get your name out there. It was a commission sales job. Yeah. Like you, you're going out there and you're gonna go find, you gotta go find your business. And then back then too, you know, you'd send out flyers or you would run TV ads and that was like what you did.
And so you know that, and sometimes you say, okay. I'll bring your donuts. I'll bring you donuts tomorrow. Like I just wanna get a, like, just let me quote it. Just let me like, let me just throw a bid your way. And so that's truly seven years what I did for that.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What a grind. What a cool picture. And it's so true that.
People don't see that.
Speaker 3: No. 'cause it wasn't a big project. It [00:27:00] could've been like a vanity. Yeah. It could be like, okay, you have a vanity. Okay, it's a three foot wide vanity and a laminate countertop. I got this. Yeah. And you're driving out to the house and you're bidding it. You're quoting, you might get it, you might not.
And and so, yeah, it's just, it wasn't, it wasn't always big projects. Even now it's not all big projects. Yeah. We have a lot of small projects and I'm just as thankful for those as I am the big ones. Mm-hmm. It's an honor for somebody to call us. It's an honor for them to pick up the phone and think, I wanna call Hanon home.
That's a gift.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: And I tell my team, it is a gift when somebody calls us like that is, that is like something that we should be thankful for. No matter the size and maybe it doesn't make sense for us or whatever, um, or doesn't even make sense for the client to hire us for full service, for something that's smaller or something, then we should give them a recommendation of somebody that, who, that could do that project for them.
You know, like help guide them, help get, create value in you even if they don't hire you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I think it's just, um. Yeah. I think that it, it, it's not always big. And yes, those are the ones that hit the [00:28:00] Instagram, but some of my favorite projects have been small.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And, and I think that's largely 'cause of the people too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I also love the relationship. It's like
Speaker 3: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna l I'm gonna go to where they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like talk to them face to face.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to mm-hmm. I'm not gonna ask them to come to me.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And even in like, the bidding. Yeah. It's like, I'm not gonna say like,
Speaker 3: yeah.
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. I'm gonna give you everything you need to make a decision. Yeah. I'm gonna do a lot of the work to make a bid. Yeah. Come to you.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And that is a grind.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you had to get very, uh, familiar with and comfortable with failure and rejection in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And there was a lot of failure, you know?
And even now there's still a lot of failure. You know, once you raise your stakes. The blows are a little bit harder to to hit when you don't get 'em right.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Because there's always like, somebody might always race you to the bottom line. And so at that point you're like, man, I hope they just see enough value in me too.
Mm. Like I hope that they think that I'm worth it. Yeah. Because I'm not just a transaction based PE person. A lot of my clients end up becoming like family members at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, [00:29:00] and it's just hard not to. Yeah. When you're around somebody into something so personal, like their home.
Yeah. Like you are gonna build those relationships and it is personal. Like, and, and I don't think that it's a bad thing to admit that business is like, oh, it doesn't need to be emotional. It doesn't mean, and it's like, well, like maybe a little,
Speaker 2: maybe,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like, is that the worst? Like, is it bad to be, I always say like, I'm sorry, I'm a feeler.
I'm, I am a feeler. Like I'm not gonna be that callous person that can just do business decisions that I don't think about all the time. Like I, that is me.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To my core, that is what I am and I'm not going to like. I can't be who I'm not and I've tried That didn't work out. Yeah. So I am a feeler. Call me the woman in business that's emotional about something.
But yeah, I am. Where are we putting the Christmas tree? Where, where are we gonna have the kids? Like feel like the homework rooms or whatever. Like, let's be weird about it. Let's make something special. Like, let's go there. Why not?
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I, I dunno, for me that's like comforting to think like someone I'm working with is gonna care about my emotions.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because it's like, I can't [00:30:00] turn those off. You think about like the home is personal. Yeah. Yes. It's just all gonna be about business.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, well then I, I gotta shut that off. Yeah. And you're not gonna care about how I feel about how this might turn out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
Speaker 2: Which, and obviously there's a tension there, but
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, I, I can't shut that off.
Speaker 3: No, because we care, right? Yeah. You want like, we, you should want us to care and we do care. And that, I think is our secret sauce.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: What a good, uh, what a good secret sauce. Um, yeah. We will move on to the next question after. I'd love to hear, do you have any like, tips for in this day and age?
Mm-hmm. And you just started a business, so maybe you implemented some of them. Mm-hmm. What does it look like to grind right now?
Speaker 3: Grinding right now is different, I would say, for sure, than it was in the beginning. Um, ugh. Gosh. It's hard 'cause I, I would say like something, um. That the grind for me. Now, as you know, when you're a small business, you eventually take on every role, right?
You, you, you bring all of them on and [00:31:00] then everything else is growing and you're like, okay, I have to offload something. Right? And so I would say like grinding for me now is managing, um. Man, more of a manager role. And so like managing my team, making sure that my vision, everything I just told you is being replicated even if I'm not on the project.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: So the grind right now is communicating the vision, still finding the people, still being present, still creating, but still managing our growth and, um, like we're building a new building. How can I make sure that that step of growth is going to. Be what it was when we were small, but also be okay that we're not small and leaning into the fact that we are growing and, but how do I keep that humble mentality, not even humble, but like a, that small town feeling that I love so much about what I built, you know?
And um, and so I think it's just, I would say hustle now is more like. [00:32:00] Managing all of the moving parts, but yet still getting back into my grinding seat and being like, okay, I'm gonna call these builders. Like it's looking slow. I gotta go, I gotta go put back on my sales hat to get back in the arena, you know?
But then also I have all these manager roles that I've taken on too. And so I would say that is something that I'm navigating currently is realizing what I do like and what I don't wanna do anymore. Yeah. And the hustle right now is just. It's all of it. It's not just hustling, getting sales and telling people who you are now.
It's making sure the people you're hiring knows who you are, has the same vision, wants to go the same direction, and also that the back end of the business is ready to do the same. So it's uh, it's more analytical. I would say. The hustle is now, but also then I still have to do everything I was doing in the beginning too.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. A lot of refining.
Speaker 3: Yeah,
Speaker 2: lot of managing.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: But, um, I love that you're still not above any role that might present itself. Mm-hmm. It's like there's no [00:33:00] arrival.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: We still grind it out. We still got hustle. Hustle.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: yep.
Speaker 3: I gotta, I gotta bring this baby home. It's on my shoulders.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, so any role in every role where there's one lacking or where one needs more attention, that's, that's my new role.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's, I think, another pivotal moment where you're like, okay. I could either keep riding this wave or I could scrap it and kind of start over in a way. And ultimately it was my brother who said, Jess, like the Cabinet Center is that. That's not you. Like Yeah, he's like, you gotta believe that you're gonna make something greater and better with the vision that you have.
And it was him saying like, that pi, like just being so honest and just like calling it like he saw it, which he's really good at. And I was like, you're so right. And so I scrapped it and we did have two locations at the time [00:34:00] and I did close the one up in the Heights and I was like, okay, I'm focusing on.
Making this one space great. Yeah. And so that's how Hanon home was born.
Speaker 2: Transitioning to our final question.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you need to get rid of? What do you need to say no to? What do you nurturing that you wish you weren't?
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, um, it's funny, as we talk about like the beginning and where I'm headed and where I've been, I. I don't wanna do the managerial roles. Hmm.
That is one thing I think I'm really finding is, like I said, when you are a small business, you bring you, you become everything, and it's slowly as you grow, it's all good things, right? You're doing all these amazing stuff and, um, you're communicating, you're talking, you're like this, um, like, um, this figure for this, for these things that you're [00:35:00] building and.
And it's a lot. And, um, I mean, I get like 160 emails a day and I get a hundred text messages a day, and I get my phone calls and, and the voicemails and, and the Instagram messages, you know, like the, it's all the time. And so I would say the thing that, um, I've really in the last like year. Have. I always thought when I first started Sison home that I had to be the CEO boss lady, right?
Mm-hmm. Like I have to be this. Yeah. I have to be this for the employees. I have to be this for every piece of this business. I have to be this type of leader. And what I've realized, even so much so in like the last three to four months. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 3: I could do it, right? Yeah. Like I could do that role.
Um, I don't wanna,
Speaker 2: yeah,
Speaker 3: like I, I had a moment specifically, um, with my operations person that I have in, in our company and Christian, and I said, [00:36:00] this is, I don't want to, like, I'm going to, I'm gonna burn up. Like I'm having a moment where I'm like, oof, maybe I should just quit. Scrap it all and just start over with the new version that I like.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Because it sometimes feels so far gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm so, like, I'm so out here in this, in this space, and I'm like, I don't actually, I don't wanna be in that space. Like I love being creative and I love my clients. Those are actually what bring me the most joy.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 3: And being in people's homes and designing spaces.
And it's funny, as I grew, I got pulled away from that. Yeah. Like I got pulled out of doing the creative stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I became more of like a relationship person with clients. But I also like felt like I slowly got pulled out of the thing that I love most with now, the projects I would love to be a part of more than anything.
Yeah. Like I finally got to this point. That I've wanted [00:37:00] to get to my whole career.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now I'm being pulled out of it
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Into more of a CEO role. And, and I, you know, my younger self and I'm like, yeah, CEO I'm like, overrated. Yeah. I, I don't want that. I, I think that there, and I think A CEO can look a lot of different things, right?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: Um, but for me it's like I want to be. I wanna, I kinda like being in the trenches more. Mm. I like being in the design. I like looking at the fabrics. I like being that creative person and, and who knows? I could change in a year from now, but I want to be with my clients. Yeah. And I want to be on the projects and I know I can't do every project.
Um, but I wanna touch, touch 'em at some point. Almost all of 'em. Yeah. 'cause that's what brings me joy. If I keep having to do, um, more of, and I also wanna see the fut. I wanna build the future for the company. Like, because once I, once I get too bogged down in all the day to day, I don't have any time to [00:38:00] dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like you get, you like work a nine to five and the growth won't happen.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Like I need time to have a vision. I need time to, to be in that creative space. And if I'm constantly bogged down with task after task, after task just to maintain, that's where I found like I don't get to dream.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: And that I just bought myself a job and that was never what I wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be the creative and I just, and so, um, I feel like that's something that I've been nurturing and it's just grown so much now that it's like, okay, how do I actually pull this back?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And get back to almost how I started.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And being more of that creative director. I know I still have to do a lot of admin things, but um, sure.
But I wanna do it and I wanna be a leader to my team in that capacity. Not as like a, a reprimand or a, uh, or a somebody that's [00:39:00] talking about, I don't even know goals. And like, I love the goals things too, but it's like, yeah, I wanna dream with them in the creative space, not the, and that stuff's important too, but somebody can do it better than I could.
Yeah. And I, I'm a feeler. I don't wanna live in corporate world. I wanna live on the other side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And there's a tension to that. Obviously we're talking about a sweet spot, but there's still gonna be things Yeah. That, that aren't, don't fall into that. And I think totally that's true for everyone.
Mm-hmm. You know that as a business owner.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, but it is interesting how often. Someone's really good at a role.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And so in our American culture, we're like, well, let's just move you to the next one. Yeah. It's just gonna go on up. Keep
Speaker 3: going.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And as an entrepreneur, that's very true. Where it's like, I'm gonna build this business of something I'm really good at.
Yeah. And then what is the next step? Yeah. To manage the people doing what you're really good at.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's so common to them be like, wait, that's not what I
Speaker 3: like. I
Speaker 2: actually don't, that don't wanna, I don't wanna do that.
Speaker 3: I don't like this.
Speaker 2: I didn't get into this to lead the people doing it. Yeah. I got into it.
To do
Speaker 3: it, to be with the people.
Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Yeah. I think that's, that's a, [00:40:00] and not, and not, that's not everybody. Right. Some people love Yeah. Managing people. Mm-hmm. Or managing, um, all the backend work that goes into a business. I would rather work alongside people. Yeah. I, I care about, like, I care about the people on a, um, I'm a feeler.
That's just who I am. Yeah. And if I like, so I have to, like, that's a hard line between those two worlds. And so yeah, I just feel like that is a thing I could do. Well if it was my only role.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so if I had to pick. I'm not gonna pick that. I'm gonna pick being creative and working alongside a team in a creative atmosphere, not um, an administrative one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What does that look like? Is it just a continued tension or do you think you'll make some more significant shifts as far as how you execute that? Like visionary, you're leaving the business, but you're also still in the trenches? What does that look like?
Speaker 3: So, we are currently, I did just hire an operations manager within the business.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: [00:41:00] And she in hr. So. That's huge. Yeah. That's gonna be a nice shift to remove me from that world.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Um, and then obviously Christian is like our head of finance, so he does all of the, which he was a financial advisor, that's his background. So like spreadsheets, all that stuff. That is his jam.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking at him type stuff in that Excel spreadsheet and I'm like, oh.
I don't even know what that is. It looks like you're coding something. Like what are you doing? And, and so what Chris Chanel always says is he is like me and Mariah is actually my girl who does, who's like my right hand person who does the operations in hr. And so he always says like me and Mariah do the soul crushing stuff.
What I consider soul crushing. Yeah. And what they also thrive in it. So I think it's also just like you always hear people say, it's realizing your strengths.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: It's realizing where you're good. Where like where are you irreplaceable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then finding people that are better at you, better than you at the roles [00:42:00] that you aren't good at.
Yeah, because you could be good at a role, right? Like I could do those things. It's not like I couldn't, but at the same time, I don't want to be the smartest or the best or whatever person in my business. Like there's no growth there.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so putting people in those roles that I find soul crushing, they thrive.
I'm like, great. Like you thrive there and I'm gonna thrive over here. And that's how this business is gonna continue to grow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think the best leaders know their gaps.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they fill in with people.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Totally.
Speaker 2: Because you no leader mm-hmm. Can be all, be everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's easier to recognize though, maybe when you're not in it.
You know what I mean? Like I think when you're in it every day Yeah. And you solely transition into certain roles, you're like, whoa. How did I get here?
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 3: like how did I get into this role? And it, when you look back, you can see the, the dots, how they connected, how you got there. Like if you really think about it and then it's like, okay, how do I actually pull back.
And get [00:43:00] into a role back to where I'm good and how can I put somebody in these roles where they're better than me at them. And then everybody thrives, right? Like you get, you get these people into their right roles and you get everybody to where they are the best, their best selves. And that's when the company, I feel like has this organic growth that feels nice.
And so, yeah, I just ripped off that bandaid. I'm like, I'm gonna slowly transition out. I'm out. I'm getting outta this role. Mariah, here you go, Christian. Here you go. I might need an assistant. Here you go. And, uh. And I'm like, I don't care what it takes 'cause I have to make a change. Yeah. 'cause this is like, this is where I thrive and with all the big changes in growth that we have coming, um, before all those hit, I have to make sure that we are a solid ship going that direction.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. What made now the time for that decision? Was it like, now it's feasible. Was it, you just realized it was it? Mm-hmm. Now you're like up against, you're at the cliff and you're like, guys, if we keep going, I'm gonna go off.
Speaker 3: Yes. I think it was the cliff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I, I'm jumping. [00:44:00] I'm jumping and hopefully I land on a different ship or I'll, but this ship's gone.
Yeah. I'm leaving this one. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so, um, and that's dramatic, right? A little bit, but I think it was more of, we also are building a huge building and with that comes probably more staff, more opportunity, more projects. And um, and so I just feel like now before that huge step, I have to make sure that we're just a well-oiled machine.
Um, including myself. Like, I can't be these, all these different roles, like I have to refine. It's like, it, it's, it's just, it's that, that weird spot that nobody really talks about in business. It's not the beginning and it's not the end, and it's not really even like maybe your bulk of your middle, it's like, it's that five, six year mark, five to seven year mark.
Where you've grown and now you're like at this weird middle gap where you're like, okay, we've done epic stuff. We've grown a lot, but now it's like it's that point where you either choose to stay where you are and be content, or you take the biggest risk that you hope [00:45:00] is that moment. That was the scariest, but also was the moment.
Mm-hmm. That got you to the point where like that was that moment.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was that pivotal moment that we had to take the biggest risk to get to where we are now. And so I, I think that's where, uh, maybe like a lot of people just don't talk about, like, you've worn every hat, you've done all the tasks.
Now where do you actually wanna be? It's also a luxury. Where do you wanna be?
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Like, you, you now hit a point where you can maybe choose and, and that is a luxury, you know, you, you get to have, have a choice. And I think that is because you have grown, you know, you have, it is more feasible. To do that.
And so then it's just making that shift and just choosing like, this is gonna be my next step then.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that. Well talk a little bit about what's coming up, what's, uh, in the next year, five years?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Well, the most immediate future right, is on Shiloh and Monad. We are building a new building.
We're building a 14,000 square foot [00:46:00] building. Um, and it's. My heart and soul is dumped into that thing I'm excited for. The building itself is gonna be beautiful and um, I feel like it's us just showing like we are here to stay. We are investing in this community for great design. Like we are, we believe in home and this is what we're doing.
And, um, we're gonna show what great design can look like here. And so that is. The most immediate thing that we are working on. Um, we broke ground last week and so it is cruising at this moment and I'm really excited about that. We're hoping to open in the fall, early or late, I think could just depend on how, if we get snow or how the weather holds up.
Um, and so hoping, hoping to, um, open at that point and then, um, made for home and Sison home. We'll both leave the current locations that they're in. So our downtown location and our West End location, we will leave both of those and we will all be in one space now. Um,
Speaker 2: awesome.
Speaker 3: On the West end. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be exciting.
Speaker 3: It's really [00:47:00] exciting. Yeah. It's terrifying, but it's really exciting and I can't wait to, um. To see it come to life. It does. Still doesn't feel really real. Yeah. Um, but I feel like that's gonna be a huge launchpad for us as a company, um, for made for home, for Sison home. Um, it's just gonna be such a cool experience for, it's gonna be like Disneyland for women.
Yeah. If you love. Home and all the things like it's a paradise for that. Um, and so that is what I'm most excited about for the next year. And then I would say in the next five years, I mean, that's literally doubling our time that we've been in business. And so I'm like, well, that'd be awesome if we could double what we are doing in revenue.
It'd be cool if we could have a second made for home location. Um, I feel like Billings will always be our headquarters, but I would really love to have maybe another store for made for home and then maybe. Different area.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Um, and then I'd love to have some, like brand partnerships either create my own rug line or, um, tile or um, [00:48:00] something of that sort.
Yeah. I'd just love to be more of a known figure in the design world. Yeah. In a national realm, not just local.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I love that you're digging your roots here in buildings.
Speaker 3: Yep. This is, this is our place.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: It may not be, uh, as, uh, exciting as Bozeman, um, but I think there's a, there's a lot here.
And, and
Speaker 3: yeah.
Speaker 2: If everyone left, because it wasn't, it never could become that.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And I think, um, what you do here mm-hmm. Is a big impact in what we can be and the creative expression.
Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing, man. We're gonna. And it is here. There's a lot of great companies that do a great job with that.
Mm-hmm. But we're just gonna, we're gonna do it in a big way too. Okay. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna, um, we, it, it deserves to be here. You know, like it, who's, why, why wouldn't it be? Yeah. You know, we, we all should have something that is great like that. And Bozeman is great. I loved Bozeman and it was a great place for my college experience, and I will always have a special place for that town.
Um. [00:49:00] I'm gonna bring it here too, because I would say billings, I feel like is just a place where, um. And, and like I said, it does have great design here and, and if you, you look for it, you will find it. There's a lot of great companies here that I admire and truly I feel like they're incredible, um, firms and, uh, and not only just in my industry, but all the industries, like our restaurants are getting better.
Like there's a lot of things that are just, you know, getting closer to. More celebrating of the arts. I hope that continues to go, um, even though it hasn't been maybe the obvious place for that at this point. You know, I feel like we're all making strides to get to more of that. And I think if the community continues to rally behind that, it'll continue to grow.
But like in Bozeman, I feel like it has it, you know? It has, yeah. It already has those things. Established. People celebrate those things and, um. Yeah, I, and I love Bozeman. It, it will own a piece of my soul forever. Yeah. Like my, my Roots, I feel like thrived there. I feel like I knew what I wanted to [00:50:00] do there and um, I would love to go back someday.
Like, I love Bozeman. Like it would be cool to maybe someday get to when I'm retired, go spend some time up in Bozeman, you know? Yeah. Um, but I would say like Billings, it just feels like. Like I have people tell us all the time, just move to Bozeman. Like, you'd do so well. It'd be like the cheat code. Like you could go there and just kill it and maybe someday we will, maybe we'll have a little thing there.
But, um, for whatever reason, billings just feels like our people.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 3: it just feels like I've met some of the best people I've ever, I've ever known here. And, um. And I, yeah, I just feel like this is our home. This is gonna be our flagship, this is gonna be our mothership, and I'm excited to just sink our teeth in here and build our mothership here.
And where we go from, there could be a lot of different places, but this just feels like the home where we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna de dig deep roots.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Okay. Finally, where do people find. [00:51:00] Home Made for home, we'd love to just give a place to go, whether it's on socials Yeah. Or tangibly the, the actual places that they can find you.
Speaker 3: Okay. So Sison Home is on 24th Street. We're right across from Barnes and Noble. Um, you can find us on social media, you can find us on probably any media outlet really. Um, and then we have a website too, if you wanna check out that. And then, um, made for Home, currently is downtown, and we'll be here through the end of the year, which is 2025.
Um, and so we will be down here on 29th Street, and that is for now. Um, and then into the new year. They will both be on the west end by the new Starbucks on Shiloh and Monad. But you can find us on social media website. We're not going anywhere. Um, except for physically we are going somewhere in a year.
So, so lots of changes. Um, but yeah, that's where you can find us. Come say hi.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. It was
Speaker 3: great to have you. Yeah, thank you. This was super fun. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.[00:52:00]
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Speaker 4: One of the visuals that I love when you think about like legacy was a term that Henry Cloud talks about your wake.
It's like a boat's wake. The ripples.
Speaker: The ripples,
Speaker 4: yeah, sure. Yeah. What's, what's your wake like? What's it like being around you and behind you?
Speaker: What do you hope your wake is like?
Speaker 4: Whoa.
Speaker: Personally or professionally? Question. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Getting deep, dude. Well,
Speaker: hey,
Speaker 4: that's a good question.