Also: it's our 1-year launchiversary!

Justin and Jon are joined by Jason Fried to talk about:

The philosophy behind their new book Shape Up.
Does Basecamp's approach to 6-week cycles differ for smaller teams?
"Long projects destroy morale. When things don't ship, you get frustrated." – Jason Fried
Why projects ship late (it's human nature).
Why work is like a hill.
How they make product decisions at Basecamp.
How do you know what you should work on next?
Why they don't believe in backlogs.
"That feeling of 'there's nothing to do, but there's everything to do' shouldn't be happening." – Jason Fried
"You need a system at some point. When you have two people, you can hack your way to anything. But as soon as you grow, you'll need a system." – Jason Fried
"What we have is not a perfect system. And even if it was, we don't execute these things perfectly." – Jason Fried

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Host

Jon Buda

Co-founder of Transistor.fm

Host

Justin Jackson

Co-founder of Transistor.fm

Editor

Chris Enns

Owner of Lemon Productions

Guest

Jason Fried

Co-founder of 37signals

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