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Thundernerds are GO!
Sean Connery is back for one last proper go as James Bond double o seven because we are never counting never say never again, Thunder Nerds. Let's get into it. We're doing Diamonds Are Forever today. Thunder Nerds Are Go. Three two one.
Thundernerd 1:Thunder Nerds Are Go. Welcome back, Thunder Nerds. We're here. Got mister Saint John Smite, and we're gonna start with a few bits of, I suppose well, they're just little tidbits really of news that I've seen. I mean, you may have seen some of these.
Thundernerd 1:I saw that double o seven first light was delayed. Did you say this?
Mr St John Smythe:Yes. Hello, everyone. Yeah. First light delayed again.
Thundernerd 1:Delayed I don't think well, I mean, what have we got? So it was gonna debut March. Now it's two months out, May. I mean, I guess it's not that I mean, I just thought I'd say it. It's nothing like the GTA six delays or anything like that, is it?
Thundernerd 1:Like it's not as crazy as what we've seen with that No. And and other rock star type games, but it's I'm not gonna lie to you. I know this might sound bad. This doesn't bother me. Like, I don't care.
Thundernerd 1:I I I just I feel myself not that I just everything that comes out about it, I just get less interested in it.
Mr St John Smythe:I am the same. It worries me. I read something about it where they were like, the developers were like, oh, we're trying to step away from the the womanizer aspect of James Bond. Yeah. And as soon as I read that, I was like, that's like one of the core elements of Bond.
Mr St John Smythe:So
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. And I think that they weren't even just from my memory, they weren't even all, like, just talking about that. They were just saying that this bond reflects a modern time in other ways as well. I'm just like, oh, man. What are we doing here?
Thundernerd 1:Like, I get that he's younger and shit, but also, like, yeah, there are reasons this character's like this in the Fleming novels, and I don't like that they're trying to change the core aspects of this guy. And look, I haven't seen what they're gonna do with it. So I'm I've only got these interviews to go off in the trailers. And the trailers, I must say, have not excited me. They haven't.
Thundernerd 1:Like, I've seen parts of them, like parts of the trailers, and I'm like, oh, that location, like, looks cool. That looks cool. But all the stuff about o o nine being a villain, the actual Bond model and the look and the voice, it just doesn't look like James Bond to me. It just doesn't.
Mr St John Smythe:The things that he says as well in all the gameplay and
Thundernerd 1:Doesn't sound like James Bond.
Mr St John Smythe:It doesn't sound like James Bond.
Thundernerd 1:No. I agree.
Mr St John Smythe:It doesn't sound very witty.
Thundernerd 1:No. It just
Mr St John Smythe:The things that he says.
Thundernerd 1:It doesn't sound like the voice of Bond. It doesn't sound like it right now. I also saw them drop the PC specs. Now I know you're you're you're playing on console, but even just reading the specs out, I looked at it and just went, Jesus Christ, like, am I gonna be like, what do I need to upgrade my system to just to run this game at, like, you know, it's saying minimum specs, and I don't know if any of this is gonna mean anything to you, but it's minimum specs. It's saying that it needs 80 gigs, you know, that's what it is, whatever it is.
Thundernerd 1:VRAM eight gig, I can do that. 16 gig of RAM, I can do that. But this is all to run it at at ten eighty p at at 30 frames a second. Now if I if I say it's if I look at its recommended settings that it said, on its minimum, like its recommended settings, it's telling me that I need an RTX thirty sixty Ti which, you know, I can run, and this is to get ten eighty p resolution at 60 frames a second, which is on PC nothing. Like and I'm just like Mhmm.
Thundernerd 1:It just seems a bit crazy that but I guess, like, more and more games are becoming like this on PC. So like console, you you do have that luxury of just like you plug it in, you play it, it's gonna run, and it's gonna run smoothly. Whereas like, I might play it, and until they optimize it for PC, it's gonna run like a shit show probably. Like, that tends to be the case. Like, you run a game early, like some games come out and you're like, holy shit, this runs really good.
Thundernerd 1:Like, thought Indiana Jones ran pretty good out of the gate. But Yeah. I don't know, man. I just think everything I see about it, I just get less and less interested to the point where I am at a stage not dissimilar to something like Civilization when it came out, when the latest SIFF game came out, where I'm gonna look at what people say, and if people say it's not good, I'm not even gonna bother picking up to like make my own mind up about it. And I'd like I'm I'm damn it's a damn shame that I feel like that because when they announced this game like a few years ago, I was so jacked for it.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Yeah. Mate, I saw I saw a thing about it that said I think someone else was talking about it. And this was all getting written and developed in the early days when woke culture was at its prime, like most popular. Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:And it was catered all around that. And now that's kind of people are starting to get off that a little bit.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. So okay. That's interesting. So are you saying that the the actual the actual written story of this game because obviously they've been developing it. So you're saying that when this was written, it was at the height of that type of culture and now that we're on the well, we've definitely reached in I would say that we've definitely reached a point where we're all kinda getting a bit like, okay, where's the where's the line where this is too much and where we need to just have a bit of a sense of humor or we need to get back to a bit of sense of for a lack of a better term, a bit of fucking normality.
Thundernerd 1:Right? So you're saying that now if it was written then, we're gonna look at it now and go, oh my god. It's so like the the absolute, like, heightened version of of this that we could have. Is that what you're saying?
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Yeah. This is what someone else has said. I I read it recently that
Thundernerd 1:I wonder.
Mr St John Smythe:This is like, we can expect it because of when this game would have been
Thundernerd 1:Actually written. So it's a bit of speculation as well. Written.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Yeah. It's all speculation. Yeah. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:Gotcha. It's not like the developer has come out and
Thundernerd 1:said that. Said something. But they have said things that are alarming in the way of life. Yes. Just yeah, I don't know.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. That's interesting. I saw just I mean, if if there's nothing else you've you've got about the game, I just wanted to move on to something that Bond 26 rider, Steven Knight, I believe his name is. Steven Knight who did Peaky Blinders. I haven't seen Peaky Blinders yet.
Thundernerd 1:Have you seen Peaky Blinders?
Mr St John Smythe:No. It's on my list,
Thundernerd 1:but It's on my list as well. I haven't seen it. So he was doing an interview. This was only, like, very recently, if I'm not mistaken. He was doing an interview because he's got a new show out, I think.
Thundernerd 1:And down towards the bottom of the article I'm gonna read what it says here. Goes on to talk about what he's working on, then there's the small matter of the Bond movie which Knight is in the process of writing at the moment. The mere mention of it prompts a shake of the head. Steven says, I can't say anything apart from that I'm having a fantastic time. To have been brought on board, he adds, is a bucket list stuff.
Thundernerd 1:If you're British and a writer, what else is there? It goes on to say that Knight understands the fans are protective of the Bond legacy and that everybody has an opinion. None of that bothers him. If you start thinking about all that, you're fucked. It's the same with Piggy Blinders in the next series I'm doing.
Thundernerd 1:There are always gonna be people who say it's not as good as it was, but you can't second guess what people are thinking as a writer, just gotta get on with it and do what you wanna do. That doesn't really yeah. I mean, that that makes sense to me. It doesn't bother me. I I do think that, like, I was seeing someone I went on to the Reddit after this kind of interview, and I'm gonna read a couple of things out, see what your your thoughts are on this.
Thundernerd 1:One person says, this could go both ways from his past projects, though. I definitely don't think we're getting a fun Bond film, but I hope I'm wrong, would be glad to be wrong. And then someone else responds to him, says, yep, with him as the writer and Denis as the director, I just don't see where Bond is gonna be fun again, And it's possible that the studios don't wanna make Bond fun because the Craig movies made a shit ton of money and made Bond prestigious, so they probably don't care what a few folks online are saying. I do want to see some fun in James Bond again. Want to see a bit of liberty.
Thundernerd 1:I want to see and I remember Denis talking about that legacy of Bond, that history of Bond going, you know, I watched this when doctor No I watched this with my father when doctor No was on, like, I wanna respect the legacy of James Bond, the history of Bond. I hope that in the film version, obviously, we're talking about double o seven first line anymore. I hope that with this Bond 26 that we do retain a bit of humor that
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. For sure.
Thundernerd 1:We I mean, look, does it need to go it's it's debatable. Does it need to go to the extent of an Atlantis rising out of the ocean or a volcano lair? Probably not. Doesn't need to go there. Would I love selfishly to see a Bond film go there again?
Thundernerd 1:Yes. I would. I I would if I saw that again, I would love it. I would probably love it. Right?
Thundernerd 1:Then again, I I didn't love Love Die Another Day, which I know obviously we're gonna get to that film down the track, but so maybe I wouldn't love it. But I'm just saying that, like, I I wouldn't mind a bit of bombastic bond after what we've had in those five Craig films.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:You know?
Mr St John Smythe:I wish they wouldn't wait so long between Bond films now.
Thundernerd 1:Well, that was another debate that I saw come up the other day, people talking about that wait time, like, what are we going to get in the new in this new Bond timeline, I saw people speculating saying, where are we going with this? Are we going to get some quicker turnarounds now than Amazon's, now that it's not a family business? Are we going to get a film every two years? I'm inclined to say that in the climate we are in of film and television and the way stuff is made today, I just don't see that happening again. I feel like that weight of three to four years as a minimum is is what we're gonna get with Bond films, and I don't like it because I would love it if there was a Bond film every couple of years.
Thundernerd 1:What do you think? Do you think we'll ever see anything like it again? I just don't I just don't know if we will.
Mr St John Smythe:I don't I don't see it, but imagine if they'd already had the next film planned.
Thundernerd 1:That's a good point.
Mr St John Smythe:As they release it. That'll be In the credits, imagine seeing in the credits, James Bond will return in whatever his next film is.
Thundernerd 1:Imagine that. Imagine imagine going back to to James Bond will return in, and it's got the title of the next film, how jacked everyone would be like. That's where if they keep it under wraps, it becomes a trend again where you find out in the credits that's what you wait around for. You don't wait around for a post credit scene, you wait around to see James Bond will return in, knife stabbed to kill.
Mr St John Smythe:Imagine that.
Thundernerd 1:You know, like, that would be
Mr St John Smythe:Winter Veil.
Thundernerd 1:Winter Veil.
Mr St John Smythe:They imagine Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Imagine that. Like, how sick would that be?
Mr St John Smythe:For king and country.
Thundernerd 1:Imagine that.
Mr St John Smythe:Imagine imagine if they had it in the font as well.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, it'd be awesome. Don't even start with
Mr St John Smythe:that. Imagine that.
Thundernerd 1:Not just like Imagine that. Not just like the
Mr St John Smythe:It's like octopussy where the o has got all the tentacles.
Thundernerd 1:Yes. It's made of
Mr St John Smythe:storm. That.
Thundernerd 1:That would be sick. That would be sick. It'd be like well, it's it essentially if you could do it like that, it would essentially replace how, like, in the later Craig era, they do, like, title reveals, like, did the Spectre reveal with the bullet shooting on the glass the in front of the press release. Like, it'd almost be, like, instead of that, you just have the font show up in the credit list. It just rolls and there it is, like you said, like, talk to pussy and it's it's got the tentacles.
Thundernerd 1:It's oh, that would be awesome, wouldn't it? I guess I guess you're right, like, maybe we wouldn't get to the point where the turnaround time is, you know, two years, but surely could we could we make this enough of an institution now that it's not a family run business and everyone's burnt out after doing it for years? Could we have it so that a writer comes on for Bond 27 after they shoot like during the during the post production while they're getting everything ready for Bond 26, they've already got the pre production, the very early stages. We got we sign a screenwriter, he comes on, he knows the title by the time this film's releasing. Credit list, Bond will be back in this.
Thundernerd 1:You don't know when it's gonna be, doesn't tell you, but it's Yeah. You know Bond will be back, and here's what it is, and it's being written in the moment, and it's in preproduction instead of knowing that by the time it's releasing, they haven't even looked at the they haven't even looked at the script. They haven't even like started getting the screenwriter on. That's what we had with Craig. I didn't like that.
Mr St John Smythe:The lead actor should
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:He should he should do his acting, and then he should do the whole press tour, all that stuff, have a holiday, and then get right back into filming for the next fucking movie.
Thundernerd 1:And he's Bond. And you know what? Hustle for a few years, make your dough.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Ten years of working really hard, and then early retirement.
Thundernerd 1:Ten years of that, and then you can do whatever other film you want instead of this thing of, like, years and years between, like, Daniel Craig was born for twenty something years. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Like He was cast in 2004.
Thundernerd 1:He was cast before he was cast the year they started shooting Christopher Eccleston, Doctor Who. That's when he was cast as James Bond that year. Right? He then Yeah. And is because I'm thinking about when he was announced.
Thundernerd 1:He was announced in 2004. 2024 comes around, and well, I mean, he's still our current Bond, but well yeah. Okay. So maybe not when well, twenty years of shooting 2006 anyway, '16, '26, that would be yeah. No.
Thundernerd 1:No. It's not quite twenty years, but it's it is around like eighteen something years. It's kind of insane how long he was James Bond for five films in the end. Whereas, you think about this, I was thinking about this the other day. 1995, Golden Eye comes out.
Thundernerd 1:1997, Tomorrow Never Dies. 1999, World Is Not Enough. 2002, or I think it was 2002, Die Another Day. That is four Bond films within ten years.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:I think that's crazy. That was that was just one era ago.
Mr St John Smythe:That's that wasn't that long ago.
Thundernerd 1:Just one Bond year ago. What happened? What happened here? I mean and it's weird because Quantum turned around and and and they had writer strikes. Like, Daniel Craig wrote half that script with the director on Quantum because of, like, these writer strikes that were happening at the time.
Thundernerd 1:Right? That's why the script's a bit dodge. But even that was 2008. 02/1968. That's two years.
Thundernerd 1:And then all of a sudden, was like Skyfall, Spectre. No time to die. They all had no I'll tell you what, Skyfall to Spectre felt fast. Even though it was like four years, it did, I remember, feel like it had just it was just yesterday since we had Skyfall. But the wait between No Time to Die to Spectre was agonizing, and Quantum to Skyfall.
Mr St John Smythe:Oh, yeah.
Thundernerd 1:It was long. It felt
Mr St John Smythe:Quantum to Skyfall for me was
Thundernerd 1:That felt long.
Mr St John Smythe:That felt like one of the longest.
Thundernerd 1:That felt long. That felt like a long time without a Bond film, where you're like jumping on Google and seeing like, you know, what's Bond 20 what's Bond 23 gonna be? You know what I mean? Bond
Mr St John Smythe:23.
Thundernerd 1:And then like and then the wait after that, like, what's what's the next one? You're you're looking up the rumors for Ben, I remember the wait time, looking up the rumors for for what No Time to Die would be before it was titled, before it was this, like, I can't wait to watch double o seven Shatterhand. Like, I thought it was gonna be called Shatterhand because everyone on Google was talking about Bond 25 being called Shatterhand, but yeah. Anyway, I'm I'm keen keen to keen for Bond 26. Now that leads us into our last piece before we get onto the main feature.
Thundernerd 1:Guys, use the chapter points if you if just you wanna get on the Diamonds R forever, but we're gonna move into this. I saw this one come up. Okay? This was only a few days ago. You may have seen this.
Thundernerd 1:I'm guessing you've seen this if you're online and, you know, scrolling and all that shit. I saw a rumor. It's coming up in headlines. So it it's it's it's past that thing of, you know, rumor mill where it's just a fan making a YouTube video of it. It's gotten to the point where it's become that tier of rumor where it's now getting the rounds from every single publication site you can find.
Thundernerd 1:Okay?
Mr St John Smythe:I think I know what you're talking about.
Thundernerd 1:You might know what I'm talking about here. I have seen something saying that and I'm sure that one of them read, even though it's like it's not confirmed. One of the one of the things I've read, one of those clickbait titles was like, Callum Turner confirmed for James Bond. And so I clicked on it to see what it was, because I was like, I haven't seen anything about him being confirmed, but I we did talk about this on our last podcast. So I looked at it, and what I saw is that it's not confirmed, but okay.
Thundernerd 1:I'll I'll read out what I've got here. I'll read out what I've got. It says, if rumors are to be believed, and this time it seems as though there's at least a little truth to the matter, Callum Turner will sign to his majesty's secret service, take this with a rather large grain of salt, but on January 5, the Daily Mail quoted a source that's apparently close to Turner as saying that he's been blabbing all over town that he's the new James Bond. He's acting in close circles like he's been given the green light, and he's been telling close relatives and friends that he's booked Bond. Right?
Thundernerd 1:Everyone in his circle is talking about it. It's the worst kept secret going. It goes on to say I don't know if it goes on to say much more about this. We do know that his partner is or fiance is Dua Lipa, who apparently sung a song in Barbie or something, and now people are linking her with Bond 20 six's theme, which I think is kinda ludicrous to think that she would get the Bond 26 song job just because she's apparently with the new Bond. I think the Oasis stuff Feels a lot more Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Weight. I don't think they would do that. I don't think he would kind of if he books her, I'll go, hey, I want my fiance on as the songwriter. I don't think that's happening. They'll do what they want.
Mr St John Smythe:I feel like that would rule her out. Yeah. It would be like you're
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:Too close to
Thundernerd 1:I don't think that's happening. I think it's I think it's believe what I've read about Oasis thus far, that sounds like a quite a solid and I I I can just see it in my mind's eye. I can see that happening. And if and put it this way, if that doesn't happen now, you can imagine it happening at some point. Like, they just work.
Thundernerd 1:They're at they're at they just work for Bond. So and with all like you said
Mr St John Smythe:It's like when they got wings for the living that die.
Thundernerd 1:Exactly. It it just makes sense for Bond. So this, to me, with Oasis, I just think that, especially like you said with all the heightened kind of renewed excitement or whatever around Oasis because of their reunion thing, I just see that being a lot more likely and happening. What do we think about this in regards to Callum Turner? Because let's let's agree on one thing.
Thundernerd 1:Whether or not this is true right now, by the end of this year, we will have a new James Bond, like there is no doubt in my mind, I can't see a scenario, I'm trying to look at it, I don't see a scenario where we get to the end of this year and say, I'm surprised we didn't find out who the new James Bond was. I think we definitely find out this year, I think we find out soon. If this is true
Mr St John Smythe:I was gonna say, it it seems like it it'll be soon.
Thundernerd 1:If this is true
Mr St John Smythe:Within six months, I reckon it'll be officially announced.
Thundernerd 1:Within six months, if this is true, probably sooner because you you would think if it's it's becoming that bad of a secret in the industry that they would go, we gotta quickly just let let's just let's just rip the the the, you know, rip the band aid off. Let's let's reveal him.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Have you seen what he looks like?
Mr St John Smythe:I have. Yes. Yes.
Thundernerd 1:Now I've seen his photos coming What do we think? What do we think about this?
Mr St John Smythe:He's not my first choice if I was to if I was in charge of the casting.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:Alright. But I haven't seen him act at all whatsoever. I've only seen photos of him.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:I think he's got the look. He looks like he like he fits in with the rest of the
Thundernerd 1:Look. Put it this way. Some reason some reason, when I first saw him, I was like, no. That's not James Bond. Okay?
Thundernerd 1:I don't know why. This is like ages ago, because like he he was coming up on lists quite a while ago before I even mentioned it on the last podcast and said, hey, now it's gathering a bit of momentum. For some reason, I don't know if it was just the photo I saw, can't remember what it was, I just remember looking at him and going, I don't think that looks like James Bond. Now the one that I've seen linked with all the recent articles is him in a white tuxedo with a black rose. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:I was just looking at that.
Thundernerd 1:I look at that right now, I'm looking at it right now. That that does that could be James Bond. I can see it. I don't know how tall he is, but I'm looking that photo, that look, I can see that as James Bond. If I am to be Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:If I'm to be extremely superficial here, Thunder Nerds, and get really, really superficial with you all, I think I just thought his ears looked a bit pointy and a bit big, and he looked a bit elfish.
Mr St John Smythe:I did more. I didn't wanna say it, but
Thundernerd 1:And that's why. That's why I think I didn't that's why I wrote him off a long time ago when I first heard it. I was like, I don't like his big pointy elf ears. Sorry. I said it.
Mr St John Smythe:I was gonna say, he looks like he would be great in Lord of the Rings.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. No.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. They'd be able to cut down on some of the
Thundernerd 1:On some of the yeah. On some
Mr St John Smythe:of the Costume.
Thundernerd 1:Effects. Yeah. No. But like, look, he does look like he could be James Bond. I'll concede and say photo,
Mr St John Smythe:the white tux with that black rose?
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:That's the one that that I keep seeing where I go.
Thundernerd 1:And I can see
Mr St John Smythe:They they can make him
Thundernerd 1:look good. Can make him look like Bond, and I and I don't mind that his hair is a bit darker. Actually don't mind a Bond who's and he's young.
Mr St John Smythe:I feel like that.
Thundernerd 1:He looks younger.
Mr St John Smythe:Go back to dark hair because
Thundernerd 1:I need a Bond with dark
Mr St John Smythe:they if they do another, like, blonde hair like Daniel Craig, it'll start to become
Thundernerd 1:the precedent. It'll set a precedent.
Mr St John Smythe:Bond is like a blonde a blonde haired guy.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. No. You're right. Let's look up what how how do we know how old this guy is?
Thundernerd 1:I'm looking it up. He is 35, born in 1990. Interesting. So he is in his thirties. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Was Daniel Craig in his thirties when he was cast? How old? Hang on. Look it up. How old was Daniel Craig when he was I think
Mr St John Smythe:he was about thirty thirty six.
Thundernerd 1:Was he indeed?
Mr St John Smythe:He was like mid thirties, think.
Thundernerd 1:Looking up. 38 years old. Okay. So he was in his thirties, 38 in
Mr St John Smythe:He was 38 in casino right now.
Thundernerd 1:Casino. Yeah. 51 in no time did I. I thought he had this rare ability where by the end of his era so for instance, if you look at Connery when he is in Doctor No, and then he's in Diamonds, and then Never Say Never Again, which we'll get to. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:He looks bit washed out.
Mr St John Smythe:Roger.
Thundernerd 1:Roger is bad for it. Look, Roger, can I
Mr St John Smythe:just Maybe say we are two of a kind?
Thundernerd 1:He's a bit old in the tooth. He's a bit long in the tooth, bro. Roger, by the end of his era. And and you know what? What?
Thundernerd 1:What? What? Credit to him though. Hey. Credit to Roger.
Mr St John Smythe:I love him. I love him
Thundernerd 1:He so knew though. He knew. He, like, he he actually said that, like, he wanted to go sooner than that film. But, like, they kept asking him back, and so he kept coming back. But by the end of it, I remember him saying, like, I I don't know what the actress's name in his interview with Killer Play, Stacy, but I do remember him saying, like, it was getting weird being on set with these chicks that were so young, and I looked so old.
Thundernerd 1:Just to him, it didn't feel right, so he sensed it.
Mr St John Smythe:It looked weird.
Thundernerd 1:Pierce worked. He was a silver fox. He just did. Timothy, obviously, was only there for two films, so you don't like, he just it was Tim, like, just looked like Tim. Daniel Craig, I thought looked his two films where I think he looks the best is James Bond, Casino Royale and No Time to Die.
Thundernerd 1:He looks his hair in No Time to Die looks sick. His body is ripped to shit in No Time to Die when you see him in the shower scene in Jamaica. If you look at him, like, sorry, it's hard not to look Thundernotes, I'm not gay, but hard not to take a little peek at those pecs. Like, when you look at him in that film, he is fit, bro. Like, even compare his body in that film to Casino when he comes out of water, everyone thought he looked ripped in Casino at the time when he came out of the water.
Thundernerd 1:He is on a different level in No Time to Die.
Mr St John Smythe:Man, he throughout his whole
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:James Bond career, he always looked good.
Thundernerd 1:You're right, actually. Consistently, he always looked I think he looked good in quantum as well, like his look. For some reason, in Skyfall, I loved his stubble. I loved it when he like, you know, looked a bit more haggard. But I thought I always thought his hair looked too short in that film for some reason.
Thundernerd 1:When I watch it back
Mr St John Smythe:I agree. I agree.
Thundernerd 1:Looks like really short, whereas like his hair's perfect in Casino in No Time to Die and whatnot.
Mr St John Smythe:Physically, like his body, he was always
Thundernerd 1:in shape. Always looked in shape, always
Mr St John Smythe:Whereas you look at you look at Sean Yeah. And he's got he's got a bit of a belly. Fucking He does. In In
Thundernerd 1:diamonds, where we're Tiffany, and it's like, holy hell, Sean. Like like, diamonds are forever. Sean's belly is forever. Like, forever. No.
Thundernerd 1:But like, what about what about like Pearce in no. You know what it is with Pearce? Pearce is weird because like, he doesn't have he he was like all the other actors where like, none of them before I know that they talk about Sean being a bodybuilder in the sixties, but their body types being really different back then. None of them look like apart from Daniel. None of them really look like they could be in an elevator with like five other dudes and kick all their asses, really.
Thundernerd 1:Right? But they just do this thing where they shoot them in the way they do it. Like, in a way, right, all the other actors, like, they'll swing from like a thing to like and they'll like come up with unique ways of like kicking people's asses in a way, whereas like Daniel Craig in his fight sequences
Mr St John Smythe:Like just brute force.
Thundernerd 1:Kind of in a way that hadn't been seen since like George Lazenby just actually goes fist fist fist and, like, kicks people's asses. And I think that it's weird. Like, when I watched the the Biers Brosnan films, his body is nothing special in those films. Like, he'll take his shirt off and he's like, he's not ripped or anything, but he's fucking hairy. Like, he is I'm
Mr St John Smythe:about say he's a very hairy man.
Thundernerd 1:He's the hairiest man. There's no doubt about that. Like, so there there that shows the status of my my wealth. Like, you know what I mean? So hairy.
Thundernerd 1:Anyway
Mr St John Smythe:I need to bring that back.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Bring back the Who hairy who are the Bonds? I'm sorry that we're getting near this, but who who are the hairy Bonds? The hairy Bonds are Sean and Pearce. Shane ones are Roger and Daniel.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. And I don't know about Tim and
Mr St John Smythe:Sean and and Pearce.
Thundernerd 1:They're hairy.
Mr St John Smythe:It's very hairy men.
Thundernerd 1:Are we ready?
Mr St John Smythe:Think we're due for a
Thundernerd 1:I think we're due to move on.
Mr St John Smythe:We're due for a hairy
Thundernerd 1:We're due for a hairy one. We're due to move the fuck on from this. Do you have anything else to go through before we start Diamonds Are Forever? No. Alright.
Thundernerd 1:So let's jump into it. I prepared a little cut here for Diamonds Are Forever. After doing On a Majesty's Secret Service, I decided that I will actually try and put something together as a little intro for all Bond films if I can do it. So this is Diamonds Are Forever in under two minutes. Let's do it.
Voice Over:Tell me, commander. How far does your expertise extend into the field of diamonds? Well, how does substance found in nature? How you cut glass suggest marriage? I suppose I've replaced the dog as a girl's best friend, that's about it.
Mr St John Smythe:Curious how everyone who touches those diamonds seems to die.
Voice Over:My god. You just killed James Bond. Well, it just proves no one's indestructible. I'll get the diamonds. You get the car.
Voice Over:That's very good thinking. I have a feeling this is the beginning of a wonderful relationship. I won't be long, darling. Where are you going? I'm just popping upstairs for a moment.
Voice Over:Good evening, mister Bob. Hello, Froben. Good evening, double o seven. What do you intend to do with those diamonds? An excellent question, and one which will be hanging on the lips of the world quite soon.
Voice Over:Would you believe that this whole damn country is being held for ransom, and we've got till noon tomorrow to pay up an international auction with nuclear supremacy going to the highest bidder.
Mr St John Smythe:Good morning, gentlemen. The ACMI pollution inspection. We're cleaning up the world. We thought this is a suitable starting point.
Voice Over:One minute and counting. Power and breathing systems on.
Thundernerd 1:Release catches open. Lower away. Arthur's up to crane. Lower away. Wake up, man.
Thundernerd 1:Lower away. Disengage. Lower.
Voice Over:Welcome to hell, Blofeld. Although for such a grand meal, I had rather expected a claret.
Mr St John Smythe:Unfortunately, our cellar is rather poorly stocked with claret.
Voice Over:Luton Rothschild is a claret, and I've smelt that after shave before, and both times I've smelled a
Thundernerd 1:rat. Oh. Oh.
Voice Over:Well, he certainly left with his tails between his legs. What were you about to ask me? James, how the hell do we get those diamonds down again?
Thundernerd 1:Diamonds are forever. Here we are. What a film, man. What a Bond film in the legacy. What are your hopes
Mr St John Smythe:of this mate.
Thundernerd 1:Of this film?
Mr St John Smythe:Look. I there's some things that I really like about this movie. There's some things that I really don't like about this movie.
Thundernerd 1:Interesting. And so when was the last time you saw this one? I think I remember you saying in the OHMSS podcast that you had seen this one more recently. Is that right?
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. I don't know. I always felt like this movie was I always felt like it was the it is like the endgame for Connery. Yep. But I always felt like it was like a big culmination kind of the stakes were high.
Mr St John Smythe:He's in. He's on the oil rig. You know? And Yep. Rewatching it, though, I was kinda like, this is a bit it's a bit cooked.
Thundernerd 1:Yep. Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:I yeah.
Thundernerd 1:I
Mr St John Smythe:The plot's a bit weird.
Thundernerd 1:It is a bit weird.
Mr St John Smythe:But there's some moments in it that I love.
Thundernerd 1:I think that Diamonds Are Forever is a Bond film that a lot of the time makes very little sense Yeah. But also a lot of the time is a damn lot of fun to watch. That's that's how I feel about this film.
Mr St John Smythe:Well said.
Thundernerd 1:Maybe I grew up maybe it's like the nostalgia lens that we talk about that clouds my judgment or something, but I just I just find it to be a very interesting I don't know. I just I just find it to be a very fun Bond film to, like, just watch. Like, I could put it on in the background. I don't have to pay a lot of attention to it, and I'll have a lot of fun with it. But in saying that, actually, if I think about it, if I do just put it on the background because of the way it's cut together, I also other than having a surface level amount of fun with it, I all I'm also I would be extremely confused if I wasn't paying dead attention to it.
Thundernerd 1:That's it's weird. It's very weird.
Mr St John Smythe:Going to say, it's it's like a movie where you either have to pay almost no attention to it at all, have it going on in the background and paying almost no attention to it, or you need to give it your full attention and almost take notes because it gets confusing at times. Yeah. But, yeah, that's that's literally my biggest gripe with the film.
Thundernerd 1:Look. Is is it a
Mr St John Smythe:It's hard to follow at times.
Thundernerd 1:It is hard to follow. Is it a revenge film in response to On Her Majesty's Secret Service? No. It's definitely not. And I think that if you can you
Mr St John Smythe:could Could been? Yes.
Thundernerd 1:It could have been? Yes. It could have. Even without Lazenby, could you have could you have been more like, I don't know, assertive in your creative vision and gone, even if we're changing the actor back to Connery, we want to follow-up what we just did and and really go to town with it. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:You probably could have. In fact, in a weird way
Mr St John Smythe:Missed opportunity, I think.
Thundernerd 1:Well, yeah. It is a missed opportunity. In a way, if I if I if I look through and restructure things in my lens, and the way I look at things, Bond's temperament and the way he goes about exacting revenge in License to Kill is what I imagine that this film could have been. The way that he goes after Francis Sanchez in License to Kill and, you know, really seeks out something personal against him for what he did to Felix Slider, and he's the the manner that he carries himself, the darkness that he carries with himself in that entire film is what I imagine Bond should have been exacting revenge for Tracy. That's what I think.
Thundernerd 1:Like so I kinda do like that there is a film in the franchise where I can, like, vicariously enjoy it going like, oh, this is what that could have been. Like, I can see it, but obviously that's not what we get here. We get a very quick low key beginning, I I guess, to the film. It's funny because watching these Bond films back, I I I have talked about this a few times on the on the podcast. I have a vision of what a pre title sequence of a Bond film looks like for me.
Thundernerd 1:I'm only now this is the first time I feel like it's ever happened. I'm only now realizing on this run through for some reason of watching all these Bond films that that the what I imagine as the pre credit sequence in my mind of what I think is the the the archetype Bond pre credit sequence I like, it only starts 11 films in or something in Spy You Love Me or 10 films in. Because my archetype of what a Bond opening is that I love is like a some type of a chase or something, a big set piece type thing that feels like its own type mission that has a big set piece stunt of the film that's in all the advertising pieces. And that only actually starts with Spire of Love Me, if you think about it. Like, you do get the mission right from Goldfinger.
Thundernerd 1:You get the mini like movie type thing, but they don't decide to add the set piece to that pre title sequence until they get to the ski top chase Inspire Love Me. They followed up in Moonraker with the skydive. They followed up in Fiori's Only with a guy on the and from that point on, most of the Bond films do take a thing of, like, one of the big action stunt pieces that you will be seeing in all the advertising for that upcoming Bond film, it's in the opening sequence. And I didn't realize that. And so again, I'm watching this film and thinking, it's so low key.
Thundernerd 1:I mean, it's Bond traveling around places that very obviously not the places that he's at. It's clearly just set studios because they'll just put like a, you know, way back in Japan. And and here's another thing, I'm I'm rambling. Sorry. Then I started to wonder, I don't think this is the case, but I a fleeting moment rewatching Diamonds Are Forever this time, is it a reference or is it is it intentional to have Connery back in Japan seemingly for the very first opening scene of the film?
Thundernerd 1:Is it inferring somehow that this is following up You Only Live Twice? It it's it was fleeting, but I don't think that's the purpose of it. And we know later down the track that that's not the purpose of it with the gravestone for Tracy and the Roger Moore films and all that. But just a seemingly fleeting moment happened with me where I went, have they intentionally like, what's the reason? Is it just a complete coincidence?
Thundernerd 1:Is it a little nod to the fact that the last time we saw Connery in was You Only Live Twice?
Mr St John Smythe:I thought I've always thought, seeing that
Thundernerd 1:Right.
Mr St John Smythe:I always thought that it was known Spectre presence in Japan from you you only live twice
Thundernerd 1:Is who he's like
Mr St John Smythe:Bond's gone back there to go, I know there's Spectre agents in this area.
Thundernerd 1:Like, he's going he's doing the rounds on an unknown yeah. He's doing the rounds, essentially.
Mr St John Smythe:I I I always thought that that scene was him returning to, like, a known spectre Operative. Operative or like building business, like a location. He's like, I'll start there.
Thundernerd 1:And I'll work my way around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Okay. No. That that makes sense.
Mr St John Smythe:That's what I thought. Took from that.
Thundernerd 1:But Yeah. No. I think you're right. And it it just feels like so he goes around, he gets his information, we find out very quickly that Blofeld is like doing something with his you know, he he's he's going he's undergoing and people are undergoing surgery to look like Blofeld, essentially is what's going on. And then very quickly Bond exacts his revenge.
Thundernerd 1:It's pretty low key. He puts him in the mud bath thing, and then that's the opening of this film. It's really fast. Sean Connery's back. He delivers one of his lesser Bond, James Bonds, I would say, like in terms of the actual delivery of the line at the start of the film.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. He does look older in this film, and not as old as I remembered him to look though. I I for some reason in my mind, I remembered him to look really old in Dimes After Ever. When I went back and watched it, and I compare it to We Only Look Twice, he actually doesn't look that different.
Mr St John Smythe:On the cover of my DVD case, I think he looks very old.
Thundernerd 1:Right. Okay. What's your cover look like? Let me look it up. I wanna look up at your cover.
Thundernerd 1:But but, yeah, the song's great. Shirley Bassey is awesome, and and Diamonds Are Forever is one of my favorite Bond songs. I love it. I think it's, like, classic. Awesome.
Thundernerd 1:But what what do we think about, like, Charles Grey as oh, see the cover. Yeah. Yeah. He does look old there. What do we think about Charles Charles Grey as the I think we talked about this before.
Thundernerd 1:Is he he's probably my least favorite Blofeld.
Mr St John Smythe:He's my he's my least favorite Blofeld.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:I for some reason, I had it in my head. I had, like, created my own cannon
Thundernerd 1:Okay.
Mr St John Smythe:In my head.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, yes. Yes. Okay. Yep. Tell me.
Mr St John Smythe:Blofeld had picked this face Because it was like someone that Bond knew previously or something like that. Like, there was a reason there was a canon reason
Thundernerd 1:Why he did this?
Mr St John Smythe:As to why Bluffeld picked mister Henderson Mr. Henderson from You Only Live Twice as
Thundernerd 1:His new alien.
Mr St John Smythe:As his face. And I I thought I I was so sure that there was a line that explained that in this movie, and then I watched it and I was like, hang on. Did I make that up? I
Thundernerd 1:did. Yeah. It it's definite it's so it's so clear that they obviously worked differently back then in at EON. Like, they they found an actor they liked. They worked well with them maybe on set, and they just went, we're gonna find a role for you.
Mr St John Smythe:I have found this very interesting. With this movie in particular. Mhmm. Okay. There is a bunch of actors that return from previous Bond films in this movie.
Thundernerd 1:Interesting.
Mr St John Smythe:So Blofeld's the big one. Yep. Obviously, mister Henderson. Mhmm. In the pre title sequence, one of those two henchmen that come in into the room Mhmm.
Mr St John Smythe:The no name henchmen.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:And do you mean the two that get stabbed by Bond in the mudroom? The dudes in Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:In the mudroom.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:But one of them is also a henchman in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Thundernerd 1:Is it the guy that checks Bond out for I'll find you
Mr St John Smythe:a photo.
Thundernerd 1:Is it the guy is
Mr St John Smythe:it the one that
Thundernerd 1:like Bond gets the hand trap thing put on him by Bond? When he walk put your hands up. Like that sideburn dude?
Mr St John Smythe:It's not the sideburn guy. It's the other guy.
Thundernerd 1:That's the stocky dude. Interesting. In On Her Majesty, so that's one film ago.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. That's
Thundernerd 1:bro. Is he oh, fuck. I almost think I know who he is. Does he fight does he fight Tracy? Or is that He's
Mr St John Smythe:in the he's in the in the car with old mate that goes
Thundernerd 1:Oh, he's he's one of what's his names, dude?
Mr St John Smythe:He's one of them.
Voice Over:Oh.
Thundernerd 1:And who else? Who else did you notice?
Mr St John Smythe:He's one of them. Then who else?
Thundernerd 1:Because I know that there's one from You Only Live Twice that's in it. I think he's from You Only Live Twice.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. There's there's a couple. So there's the same henchman guy. No. There's there's two different guys.
Mr St John Smythe:So there's the henchman from Blofeld.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:Who was also a henchman for Blofeld in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Thundernerd 1:But but is he a henchman for Blofeld or is he a henchman for Draco if he's in the car?
Mr St John Smythe:I think he's I'll have to
Thundernerd 1:If he's with if he's with the if he's if he's with the guy, he's with Draco.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. That's Draco. Okay. I just need to confirm.
Thundernerd 1:The the other guy I'll tell you who I'm pretty sure is in You Only Live Twice. They're actually in three Bond films. It's the guy who voices Scott Tracy in Thunderbirds is a dude who's in the space sector of You Only Live Twice working on the radios because his voice is so distinct, he's also in You Only Live he's also in Diamonds here. Believe well, he's definitely in Diamonds. I just think he's also in You Only Live, and he also is in Spy, Love Me.
Thundernerd 1:And he plays quite a big role in Spy Love Me on the on the sub. He's like one of the, like, dudes that are working on the submarine. He's like the guy who's like, what are you looking at, Major? I've never seen someone take a shower before? He's that guy.
Thundernerd 1:You know, that dude in Spy Love. Yeah. He's he's like one of what's his name's guys? Willard White's guys that are that are in, you know, the Willard White Tower towards the end when Willard White gets like freed.
Mr St John Smythe:That's what it is. Okay. So I yeah. So one of the sorry. I'm trying to find you a photo of this guy.
Mr St John Smythe:Find me a photo. A photo. While I'm doing that, the other one is the driver of the vehicle
Thundernerd 1:in diamonds.
Mr St John Smythe:I'll you this. In diamonds.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. And who is he in there?
Mr St John Smythe:Have a look at have a look at this guy.
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna try and guess who this is.
Mr St John Smythe:Tell me if you've seen this guy in another Bond film.
Thundernerd 1:Alright. So I know that it's going be a Bond film before this, or is it after this?
Mr St John Smythe:You tell me.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Alright. You're sending this in Discord? Yeah. Okay.
Mr St John Smythe:I'll send it in.
Thundernerd 1:Send it in and wait for it to come through. Alright. But yeah, look, it's I'll wait for that to come through. While I'm waiting for that to come through yeah. Look, it's a bit of a it's just that that again, the theme song for Diamonds, it's great.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, I know who you you're talking about o o two, man with the golden gun. Yeah. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:That's so it turns out that's not o o two. What?
Thundernerd 1:The guy on the right is not o o two? Are you saying that o o two is not is not man with the golden he's he's not a o o two?
Mr St John Smythe:He's not actually seen in that movie. It's just like a gangster guy that gets killed at the start of the movie.
Thundernerd 1:Are you serious?
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. I always thought that was like o o two.
Thundernerd 1:Hold up. Hold up. Hold Hold up. We need to stop. We need to chill for a second.
Thundernerd 1:You doubling me?
Mr St John Smythe:Bill Fairbanks. Right?
Thundernerd 1:Yes.
Mr St John Smythe:So that guy is not credited as Bill Fairbanks. He's credited as some mobster. I'm
Thundernerd 1:not going to lie to you. Okay. Hang on. Did you think that was double o two as well?
Mr St John Smythe:Yes. I watched this movie and looked into it.
Thundernerd 1:I've been left egg on me face here. I literally they I I think, like, the the James Bond Facebook page at one point put up a photo of, like, all appearances of previous double o agents and people, like, naming the films. I was like, can you name all these films or something? And someone got in the comments was like, double o agents have appeared in all these films. Here's the and I was and I jumped on and replied and was like, ah, you've got o o two from Man with the Golden Gun.
Thundernerd 1:And now I've been left with egg on my face. Wow.
Mr St John Smythe:Right. I grew up thinking that was because I you see him get killed at the start of the movie, and then he doesn't
Thundernerd 1:You got a brother, mister Franks? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.
Thundernerd 1:I hate yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:And and then they keep on talking about how o o two
Thundernerd 1:Yes.
Mr St John Smythe:Bill Fairbanks. Right? Yes. Bill Fairbanks. So you presume that's him at the start of the film?
Thundernerd 1:I can't believe it. I've been led astray. Just And you know what? I always did I always did wonder why he looked like a mafia type dude as well. I was like, why does o o two look like a like
Mr St John Smythe:So that so that actor is the driver in Diamonds Are Forever. That's so sitting in the middle of that car.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. No. I'm looking at it here. Well, my headcanon from now on is that's the same character. Now that I know that's not o o two, my headcanon is that that drop because he doesn't even play a different character.
Thundernerd 1:He has the same hat. He look has pretty much the same look as diamonds are forever if you think about it. My thing now is that that henchman that was helping the smuggling operation of the diamonds ends up getting killed by Scaramanga. That's my headcanon from now on. There it is.
Thundernerd 1:There's a little like Bond cinematic universe link.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Well, that's yeah. When I was watching this, was like, oh my god. And then I when I was looking at the credits what's his name?
Thundernerd 1:That's so hectic. So there's a few people there that are in
Mr St John Smythe:this The guy who works at the crematorium. That guy.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, the you're talking about the guy I know who you're talking about. The glasses the glasses dude.
Mr St John Smythe:Mister Slumber or some shit?
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. Mister Slumber or whatever whatever his name. Mister Slumber. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:He was in You Only Live Twice. I don't remember what character, but he's in the credits of You Only Live Twice.
Thundernerd 1:Oh my god. He's one of the dudes that are that are at the inquisition at the start of the film before they're like, our man's in Tokyo working right now. Like, he's like one of the dudes that are on the board of one of the countries. That's what he is. Right.
Thundernerd 1:Yes. So But he
Mr St John Smythe:he returns as the What is going on here? Crematorium.
Thundernerd 1:Were they running out of actors in the seventies? What was going on here? And why, can I ask, is this is this just a seventies thing? Why is everyone for, like, a few of the seventies films called Charlie? Do we know why this is?
Thundernerd 1:Is that is that a saying? Do you know? Like, easy now, Charlie. Let's get there in one piece.
Mr St John Smythe:I was
Thundernerd 1:just about to say it.
Mr St John Smythe:Easy now, Charlie. Let's get there.
Thundernerd 1:And then she's like Charlie? Yeah. And then like in Diamonds, she's like, when they're at the when they're at the petrol station, Jewel Saint John what's her character's name? What's the Tiffany case? Tiffany's like
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Tiffany case.
Thundernerd 1:Stop who like, hung in that like, stop hung in that horn, Charlie. Are you gonna get your like, I can't remember what she says, but she says that
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:And then someone else says it somewhere in diamonds, and it's like, was this a thing that everyone was it like a a slang term?
Mr St John Smythe:It's like champ or something.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Must have been.
Mr St John Smythe:It was like old mate.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Must have been in the seventies in in like yeah. Charlie. Anyway, in in America, must have been specifically in because because this one I've got actually, I've got a question for you. What would you say I'm getting so off track here from the nerds.
Thundernerd 1:I'll get back on track. What would you say is the most American Bond film? I want this answered in like thirty seconds.
Mr St John Smythe:I would say this this film.
Thundernerd 1:Interesting.
Mr St John Smythe:You know you know what's interesting? Sorry. I'll let you finish. I'll let you finish.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, no. Well, I'll make
Mr St John Smythe:this I would say this film.
Thundernerd 1:You'd say this one. The ones that what okay. Yeah. Give me give me other films that come to mind. Go.
Thundernerd 1:Thirty seconds. What other films come to mind that are really American Bond films?
Mr St John Smythe:Probably, maybe like License to Kill or something like that.
Thundernerd 1:Yep. Yep. I'll give you that. I would say here's what I would say are the most American. Diamonds are forever is the first one that comes to my mind because it almost entirely set in America.
Thundernerd 1:For for most of the film, it's set there. Live and Let Die is set in America quite a lot. Right? A View to a Kill is very American
Mr St John Smythe:Oh, yeah.
Thundernerd 1:And so is License to Kill. I would say license or diamonds are the most why would I say that? I'd say that because at least in like a view to a kill, like there's a Paris sequence, whereas this like, the pretty much all the major set pieces of license and diamonds are in America. Yeah. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:So anyway, what were you gonna say?
Mr St John Smythe:Well, it's very interesting. I did not know this at all, but after after George Lasnby left and before they secured Sean Connery, did you know they'd already cast someone to play James Bond?
Thundernerd 1:Did they actually have this person, like like, absolutely cast? Apparently,
Mr St John Smythe:he got paid for the role.
Thundernerd 1:He got paid for Bond in Diamonds Are Forever. Who is it?
Mr St John Smythe:Now I he is an American actor. That's why I was gonna say this after you said this is the most American
Thundernerd 1:Interesting.
Mr St John Smythe:One film.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:They had an American actor already cast as James Bond, and they paid him for the role.
Thundernerd 1:Who is it?
Mr St John Smythe:The actor John Gavin. I had no knowledge of this until recently.
Thundernerd 1:I'm looking. I'm looking right now. I don't think I've seen this, but I'll I'll tell you if I recognize this.
Mr St John Smythe:John Gavin.
Thundernerd 1:I could be wrong about this, but I believe that I know this fact.
Mr St John Smythe:I'm reading on IMDb. John Gavin had signed on for the role of James Bond to replace George Lazenby in Diamonds Are Forever. At the last minute, the producers met Sean Connery's salary demand and abruptly replaced John Gavin. Although, he still got paid the full salary.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. That's interesting. That is interesting. Because I I I How'd they go? No.
Thundernerd 1:You know what? I don't I don't I don't think I did know this. No. I didn't know this. I just recognize him.
Thundernerd 1:He's he's he's the boyfriend in Psycho, Hitchcock's Psycho.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. I think I mean, looks
Thundernerd 1:I can see why they'd say Bond for him. I can see it.
Mr St John Smythe:He looks like he could play Bond,
Thundernerd 1:but Yeah. No. I can see it.
Mr St John Smythe:American actor.
Thundernerd 1:No. No. No. Not American, bro. Not American.
Thundernerd 1:That's that's interesting though. So because here's what I I know that they approached I know that Albert R. Broccoli was really keen on a I believe, I could be wrong, I could be really wrong about this, but fact check me. I know they approached and asked Timothy Dalton to be bonding on her Majesty's Secret Service, but he was like 22. And he was like Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:I'm not right for this. And then so he turned it down.
Mr St John Smythe:Be young.
Thundernerd 1:And then I think he turned it down again, and then they looked at they had they had Pierce locked in for Living Daylights, and then Remington Steele was like, no, we're not releasing him from Remington Steele. So even though he was hired and actually confirmed his bond weeks in, they then went back to Tim and were like, Tim, please reconsider. Because I think they did ask him before Pierce, but then he said no for Living Daylights. And then he went and finished a shoot that he was on, and but and then Remington Steele locked up Pierce Brosnan, and then they went to Tim, and he was like, oh, my schedule's now free. I finished that film.
Thundernerd 1:So he locked himself in with only like two weeks until shooting and did Living Daylights, which is kinda crazy. But imagine if we had Brosnan for Living Daylights and License to Kill as well. How crazy.
Mr St John Smythe:Timothy Dalton for a view to a kill.
Thundernerd 1:Imagine that. If they got it yeah. I've always thought that that felt like it could have been a Timothy Dalton Bond film. Like Yeah. It feels like it could have been.
Thundernerd 1:Anyway, let's get back onto this. Right? Don Zafrover, this script is it's it's weirdly edited, this film, all the way through, like the way that it explains the diamond thing at
Mr St John Smythe:the
Thundernerd 1:start when they're with them. It's weird. There's actually a lot of plot points if you look at it, even down to that sequence where they're talking about the diamonds and and them. I know I'm pretty sure the screenwriter was the same screenwriter, I might be wrong about that, as Goldfinger. And like, they got Guy Hamilton back who directed Goldfinger.
Thundernerd 1:There there was a lot of this thing of like, let's recapture, you know, let's bring Shirley Bassey back and do a Bond theme. Let's let's bring Guy Hamilton back. We'll do the same writing team. We've the same Bond actor. You know, we're starting it even if you look at the story, we're going Bond's not talking about gold with them and another senior official.
Thundernerd 1:He's talking about diamonds this time, and wait and and there's just a lot of plot points that reoccur to try and almost make it feel like it's a hell, the original script, it was it was Goldfinger's brother was the villain of this film, apparently. It was like his twin brother was the was the villain or something, and they ditched that idea. But
Mr St John Smythe:They were trying really hard to recreate
Thundernerd 1:the success. Exactly. Emulate that level of success of that film. I feel like the editing in the way they explain the diamonds, there's a lot of it it's it's part of me I don't know. Part of me is like, oh, I don't mind some of it in the way the script actually links with other scenes, like, you know, when was the last time you visited the circus and then they're at the circus or something or some of it I like, but there's just parts of it that is so confusing.
Thundernerd 1:And I'm gonna get into a little bit of it now. There are I remember because I have the DVD of this. I remember watching all the deleted scenes of Bond films, and I remember getting the Diamonds Are Forever and going to the deleted scenes. There were so many. Like, on the on on the disc, and that's not including whatever didn't make the cut of the DVD for deleted scenes.
Thundernerd 1:And I do remember thinking with half of them that, oh, if they left that in, this would have made more sense. Because there's just there's like one of the deleted scenes is like a a mister Winton, mister Kidd kill you never see, where they kill Shady Tree with like a you get to see the death in the deleted scene and how they did it. Wow. Because
Mr St John Smythe:yeah. He dies off screen.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. They and they cut I think a lot of it is cut for the time of it. In that one, they like go in and they've got a pistol, and they shoot and it comes out with a little flag and says bangle or something like that, and it's a fake gun. He's like, what are you doing here, fellas? And then like the other one comes up and shoots him in the back of the head for real or something.
Thundernerd 1:But there's a lot of just weird deleted scenes, and I remember thinking, and I don't know if you like, Plenty O'Toole is a really weird Bond character because a lot of fans know if you say plenty of tool, they know exactly who you're talking about, but she's actually only got like two scenes in the whole of the film. Like, she's very minimal. She? Very minimal.
Mr St John Smythe:She does she does almost nothing.
Thundernerd 1:Almost nothing. Now And
Mr St John Smythe:what she does do is she screws over Bond and makes it harder for him, like with the cassette tape.
Thundernerd 1:Yep. Yep. Now here's here's here's the question. Well, hang on. Hang on.
Thundernerd 1:Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Stop. Stop.
Thundernerd 1:We're talking about two different people here. Tiffany Case is the bond chick that fucks over the tape.
Mr St John Smythe:Is that not what you said, Tiffany Case?
Thundernerd 1:No. Plenty of tool. Plenty.
Mr St John Smythe:Oh, mate. I'm still trying to find this henchman from
Thundernerd 1:You're going for the you're going for the henchman.
Mr St John Smythe:And I'm looking at the cart thing, and I just You look Tiffany. Saw I just saw Tiffany Case.
Thundernerd 1:And it
Mr St John Smythe:was like
Thundernerd 1:Plenty O'Toole is random because she's, like, in two scenes of the film, but everyone knows who you're talking about in the bundle chain when you talk about her. She somehow has left an a legacy even though she's like in nothing. Part of the reason this film is so confusing is because she like you get it? You you she gets seen being thrown in a pool, and then she's dead in a pool, but it's not the same pool. And that always confused me when I was young.
Thundernerd 1:Like, because it's weird to see a character in a pool, let alone them in a pool in the very next scene you see them in, but it's not even the same location, pool, or place. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? It's very random. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:Don't you see her come out of the water after she gets thrown into the pool?
Thundernerd 1:No. You don't ever see her come out of the water. So what you see, she's like, what are you doing to me? And then she like gets thrown in the pool, and then and logistically, do wonder why, you know, Bond sends these henchmen hurdling and then he goes in the room and Tiffany Case is in the bed and he just sleeps over there and you don't ever hear like banging on the door from Plenty going, give him my clothes back or is that like like, he just goes from like, oh, she's thrown out the window. I wonder if she's okay to I'm sleeping with you, Tiffany.
Thundernerd 1:Like, it's random, right, logistically speaking. But what's weird about it is it never explains to you how Tiffany knows plenty, and that never made sense to me when I was young.
Mr St John Smythe:That that was weird.
Thundernerd 1:What it seems to That
Mr St John Smythe:was really weird.
Thundernerd 1:What it seems to be is that okay. This is what I think. I could be wrong. This is what I believe happens, and it's kind of set in a line by Bond at the pool when they find her body. It's inferred that mister Wint and mister Kidd killed Plenty by tying her to the bottom of the pool, and it's it's inferred that what happened is that is that Plenty probably came after Tiffany because Tiffany took Bond off her, and so she's tracked down the the the other chick to have a bit of a cat fight or or hash out what happened or because I think it was her goons maybe that like threw out the window.
Thundernerd 1:So she goes to find Tiffany, but instead mister Wint and mister Kidd run into her thinking she's Tiffany and end up killing her instead of killing Tiffany who is actually the next link in the pipeline of the smuggling operation. When I was a kid, the smuggling operation, I didn't understand what the fuck was going on. I didn't get it. Did you understand this?
Mr St John Smythe:No. I
Thundernerd 1:I didn't know what was going on with
Mr St John Smythe:I knew that I knew the whole thing about when I would hand off the diamonds
Thundernerd 1:I got that.
Mr St John Smythe:They were the next to get killed.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:But I yeah. I didn't understand. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Do we understand now what's going on? Like, let let's think about this plot. So the diamonds are getting smuggled through various different chains, goes from Africa, goes to the chick with the that gets killed with the the who's teaching the children, goes to, like, Peter Franks or whatever, or he's meant to be one that that passes it on to Tiffany, and and and and then it's meant to go, like and and we obviously know that as it's happening, Blofeld's tightening the chain by getting rid of anyone whoever touched those diamonds to clear that to just make sure there's no link back to him or something, I guess. The diamonds are being put into a satellite thing that that's a super weapon that he's gonna hold different countries to ransom with, it is random. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:It's amazing how much of Diamonds Are Forever is what Die Another Day chose to, of all the Bond films, chose to homage. It feels like Diamonds Are Forever is almost the film that is most homaged in Die Another Day, which is kind of random. Like the the face swapping villain, the diamonds, the the big super Yep. Laser satellite It's kind of crazy how much of it is bought from Diamonds Are Forever. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:What else is there? There's weird jokes that are so convoluted that I've only even on this latest one, I only got this, like, I know the the diamonds are in the body, but where? And Bond's response to Felix's elementary doctor lighter, a Sherlock Holmes reference, and I never understood that when I was young, and I've only learned watching a video from Calvin Dyson. Shout out Calvin Dyson on YouTube, who did a recent I believe, I went I went back and watched his retrospective on on diamonds, mentioned that there's a really convoluted joke in this film when he mentioned that joke, turns out that there's an elementary canal in the body of a human being that only like a doctor would know, that's where the diamonds were. So when he says elementary doctor lighter, it's a Sherlock Holmes joke, but it's telling Felix they're in the elementary canal.
Thundernerd 1:Who the hell would know that? Why is that joke in this film? It's so convoluted.
Mr St John Smythe:That's a bit strange. That is a bit strange.
Thundernerd 1:So there's so many weird things about this film that that just the moon buggy sequence, is it inferring that the moon the the like, is is it meant to be that the the moon landing was fake? Is that the obvious
Mr St John Smythe:That's I think that's the joke.
Thundernerd 1:That's joke? That it's fake?
Mr St John Smythe:I think that's meant to be a bit of a joke.
Thundernerd 1:A bit of a a bit of a joke. A bit of a tongue in cheek. What about
Mr St John Smythe:because the you've got the you've got the astronauts that are, like, slowly
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Like,
Mr St John Smythe:around. And when Bon runs through and they're like, stop him, They're still like
Thundernerd 1:They're still slow. What's that about?
Mr St John Smythe:They're still going slow.
Thundernerd 1:It's so weird. Like, are they just adding characters cameras are running? Like, what's going on? I don't get this.
Mr St John Smythe:I yeah. I feel like that's meant to be a joke.
Thundernerd 1:It's meant to be joke.
Mr St John Smythe:They're filming like some more moon landing
Thundernerd 1:Moon landing stuff. What
Mr St John Smythe:are you Scenes and yeah. And Bon runs through, they think that it's part of
Thundernerd 1:The thing or something.
Mr St John Smythe:Alright. They're still in character. Yeah. And they slowly chase him. I think it's just meant to be a joke, but
Thundernerd 1:It's it's weird. What do you think about the I was think when I was watching, I was like, it's so weird in this film because we've gone from On Her Majesty's Secret Service that had such good choreography of fighting scenes, and we've had other Bond scenes, like Guy Hamilton's the director who gave us Goldfinger, where we get these great, you know, that great fight with Bond and Oddjob type thing. Right? I just felt there was some really clumsy choreography in the film where, like but then there's also good choreography. So where's the difference?
Thundernerd 1:Like, for instance, the Bond and Peter Frank's fight in the elevator is quite well filmed. It's all close-up. It's tight. It's a cool fight sequence. And then you've got scenes where, like, you know, he's like, get get him at the start, and Bond's like throwing knives, like throwing little like knives at the dudes and they're like, with these like like over the top face and then and then like, Blow felt like telegraphed coming for him and Bond like crushing him and it looks so weirdly staged.
Thundernerd 1:It's like it's weird. It's like Peter Frank's fight looks fine, but then this fight at the start looks so like Bond's, like, throwing one guy into the other, and he's like, oh, it's like just like, what is going on? Like, the choreography looks fucking lame in this thing. It's so weird. Oh, no.
Thundernerd 1:You found the henchman. Yeah. Took me so long. You've really been on one for this, haven't you? Let me see this guy.
Mr St John Smythe:I I finally found I the
Thundernerd 1:would never know that.
Mr St John Smythe:The henchman that is both in On A Majesty's Secret Service and in Diamonds Are Forever.
Thundernerd 1:That's so funny. He's one of Draco's guys. Yeah. And this is the this is the literal scene
Mr St John Smythe:of the guy that we thought was o o two, the Blofeld henchman, the guy who runs the cremation, the crematorium.
Thundernerd 1:And the guy that's also inspired Love Me As Well and You Only Live Twice. There's heaps.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. Yes.
Thundernerd 1:It's like they
Mr St John Smythe:Sorry to go back to this, but there's a lot of recurring actors.
Thundernerd 1:Like They're just recycling people.
Mr St John Smythe:A little bit of a boys club or something.
Thundernerd 1:Literally. They're all ads back
Mr St John Smythe:for the next Bond film.
Thundernerd 1:What's going on here? But that's the scene I'm talking about. The one that's in that second photo, Blofeld in this opening scene. The choreography, what do you think about this? It's like, it's just a bit the way he dies, the blood looks shit, like, looks like paint or something, like I don't know, man.
Thundernerd 1:This film is so random. Like, even and then it's and then it's got, like, the blueprint. Strange. It's got the blueprint for, like, a prototype sheriff JW Pepper in the guy that's the police officer in Vegas is almost like, you know, I got you now. He's like he's like a more straight edge JW Pepper right before the film.
Thundernerd 1:You almost could've just had JW Pepper in this and had it be a trilogy of JW Pepper instead of this random prototype version that's not as good and not as funny. And then I love JW Pepper. Same. I love it. And what about what and then, you know, you get to the car sequence.
Thundernerd 1:It's not that exciting of it. And then the flip? What's going on with this flip, bro?
Mr St John Smythe:See, how did they fuck that up? Because that is such a cool shot. Like, that is so cool that he flips the car on its side, and they go through the alleyway. And then they didn't like the shot on the other end because there was too many people standing there taking photos.
Thundernerd 1:Well
Mr St John Smythe:So they filmed it again on the other side, but then they used different stunt actors and they fucked it and went up opposite on the opposite side of wheels.
Thundernerd 1:Went the wrong way. And so all of a sudden, you got this thing where the editor's going, hang on a second. Hang on.
Mr St John Smythe:The editor's like
Thundernerd 1:The editor's What like do I do here? The editor's like, hang on. He's going in that side. He oh my fucking god. And then he's going, what am I gonna do?
Thundernerd 1:Like, I'll just I'll just tint the I'll just, like, just angle the footage. So Bond's like, and then what? He just
Mr St John Smythe:Aged. Oh, mate. And it doesn't make sense. And man, I've Do
Thundernerd 1:you know the irony of it though? Just just before you go, the irony of it is I wouldn't even notice. Like, I wouldn't Exactly.
Mr St John Smythe:I was just about to
Thundernerd 1:say would not have noticed it.
Mr St John Smythe:I was just about to say that.
Thundernerd 1:You acknowledge it with this, like, with this random mid sea mid alleyway, like, change of angle. Now I
Mr St John Smythe:can highlights it.
Thundernerd 1:I'm just
Mr St John Smythe:It just highlights how stupid shit it it looks so bad. Oh, man. Bro. It's such a shame because it's so cool.
Voice Over:Oh, man.
Mr St John Smythe:It is so cool.
Thundernerd 1:I'll tell you what Fuck it. And they fuck it. They fuck it like that.
Mr St John Smythe:There's something just not right about this movie when it comes to things like that. Like
Thundernerd 1:It's so random, man.
Mr St John Smythe:How did they that up? And the police look so incompetent So incompetent. In America. They the the scene where he's just driving around the car park and all the cop cars just keep crashing into each other and
Thundernerd 1:And it happens in every Bond film, though. Like, a view to a kill does the same. Like, it just it turns out that when Bond's around, police are entirely incompetent of their jobs.
Mr St John Smythe:Police are just freaked.
Thundernerd 1:Literally.
Mr St John Smythe:When when he's escaping in the moon buggy, all the security cars are just they're not even Bond's not even doing anything tricky. I think it's trying to highlight the fact that it's like a a buggy, so it it's good off road. And all the cars are trying to go off road, and they just keep crashing into small mounds of dirt.
Thundernerd 1:Is this film Getting completely very aware of what it is, would you say? Like, it's a it's very it I I genuinely can't tell because I I'm looking at it from the lens of, like, I've I've watched this film since I was a kid. I can't tell if it's taking itself serious, but then you got Blofeld in a dress at the end with makeup on going, well, well, well, what look like the cat chain. And I'm like, I can't imagine Donald Pleasance or Terry Cervalis doing this. I can only see the guy who was in Rocky Horror Picture Show doing this, being zesty enough to do this.
Thundernerd 1:Do you know what I mean? It's like Yeah. It doesn't quite there's so many random things in this film. It's that's The circus sequence with the gorillas. Because they've Where they, like, transform the gorilla.
Thundernerd 1:What's going on? The
Mr St John Smythe:African American woman?
Thundernerd 1:Yes.
Mr St John Smythe:And then all of a sudden, she's a gorilla?
Thundernerd 1:What's going on in this circus?
Mr St John Smythe:What are they trying to Yeah. What are they trying to say there?
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. It's it's very I don't know, man. This film in so many that whole circus sequence I could do without. I just think it's completely a lot of look, a lot of this film, I Yeah. Was considered not gonna enjoy.
Thundernerd 1:The the opening sequence, it's fun enough. You know, the the the diamond smuggling chain operation is fun enough to fly Bond trying to follow the trailer's Peter Franks for a little bit. But then it gets to the circus, and I go, why
Mr St John Smythe:am I spending time? Confusing with the fake diamonds and the real diamonds.
Thundernerd 1:A 100%. You don't know where what's real and what's not. You just
Mr St John Smythe:don't It gets really confusing at around that the circus crematorium kind of
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I know what you yeah. Yeah. A 100%. I I agree with you.
Thundernerd 1:You you start to wonder what the hell is going on. Wait.
Mr St John Smythe:There's fake diamonds?
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. They're like they're like these are being switched and you're like, what? You know, no one told us this. Bonds switched this off screen.
Thundernerd 1:So now, wear is in the dark as Tiffany Case was. I like the idea of the the glass, the way, like, he uses the fingerprint thing from Q. I think that's cool.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. That was that was cool.
Thundernerd 1:We see a little bit of Q in this film a couple of times. Randomly, he's in Vegas for a little bit. He's got more screen time than some of other Bond films, but it's random. It's just like him in the background going He's
Mr St John Smythe:using the Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:He's using the ring, like It's random.
Mr St John Smythe:To set off all slots. Yeah. I thought that was cool.
Thundernerd 1:I like that.
Mr St John Smythe:I like it. I do like it when queue queues on location.
Thundernerd 1:Same. I love one of my favorites will get to it is is Octopussy when he's with all the women. He comes in and just just trying to help on, and they're like, oh. Oh. And he's like, what did
Mr St John Smythe:you keeping it up, Q? Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:So good. And he's in the
Mr St John Smythe:fucking hot air balloon.
Thundernerd 1:Hot air balloon. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:But there's yeah. It's just a strange movie. Like, in in parts of it, it's really good. But I don't think it flows very well.
Thundernerd 1:Like
Mr St John Smythe:It's all over the place.
Thundernerd 1:Like, what's what's the scene? Like, I I I I've said this I think I started on this with You Only Live Twice saying how there's random that I'm noticing in these older Bond films that it goes for very it it almost can't go too long without an ounce of action. So what it does is it puts really random sporadic moments of action that are not even that actiony in it or like just like set piece. So for You Only Live Twice, you might get the, I'm very sorry to leave you, but I have to go and it's a random like flight scene that lasts two seconds and never gets talked about.
Mr St John Smythe:That's for like thirty seconds.
Thundernerd 1:It's a it's a random thunderbolt scene where, you know, a car explodes next to Bond from a motorbike that he never follows up on or mentions it at HQ when he gets back and says, oh, someone just tried to blow something. Like right? In this one, he he fucking, like, wakes up in the pipeline, and all of a sudden, there's like a thing that's, like, building the pipeline. He's, like, running away from it for five seconds. So, like, what is going It's like a
Mr St John Smythe:little robot thing that's, like Yeah. I think that thing's welding
Thundernerd 1:the Welding the pipe pipe
Mr St John Smythe:together. I
Thundernerd 1:get that. But it's so such a random it's just random. This film is random. Like, is is and did Robert Wade and Neil Purvis love Diamonds Are Forever? Because do they reference that kind of bond on a thing in a pipeline in World Is Not Enough?
Thundernerd 1:Is that a reference? The diamonds? Bond on a device in a pipeline doing something. I know it's a nuclear device in World Is Not Enough, but like, it is random. They must have loved this.
Mr St John Smythe:It's it's very niche like inside a pipeline.
Thundernerd 1:It's very niche.
Mr St John Smythe:He's done it.
Thundernerd 1:Weird that it happened twice. You'd have $2.02 coins if yeah. So I think
Mr St John Smythe:That is a bit strange. It's so yeah. Look, my my favorite thing about this movie
Thundernerd 1:I know what you're gonna say. Say it.
Mr St John Smythe:What am I what am I gonna say?
Thundernerd 1:Well, actually, I don't know what you're gonna say. I if I think about my favorite thing in this movie is mister wind, mister kid, what are you gonna say?
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. You knew it. You knew it. It's mister mister wind, mister kid. The thing I love about it is they're following the diamond trail.
Mr St John Smythe:Whoever passes on the diamonds to the next person gets killed, and they get killed by mister Wint and mister Kidd. They used to scare the fuck out of me when I was a kid.
Thundernerd 1:100%.
Mr St John Smythe:I had a nightmare about mister Wint and mister Kidd.
Thundernerd 1:That terrifies me.
Mr St John Smythe:Because they freak They are creepy ass.
Thundernerd 1:They are so freaky.
Mr St John Smythe:They're too they're they're not like the type of guys that
Thundernerd 1:They're not your archetype henchmen. They're not
Mr St John Smythe:your pull a pistol on you and shoot you in the face. Yep. The type of guys that will bury you alive, cremate you alive, poison you.
Thundernerd 1:Like, they they take a weird amount of pleasure in their jobs, but and they'll do it in the most horrific unconventional ways. Like, they they it's like they take enjoyment in thinking of new ways to kill someone. You know what I mean? Yeah. 100%.
Mr St John Smythe:Their dialogue is I I love their dialogue.
Thundernerd 1:It's freaky. Their dialogue's freaky. I love how
Mr St John Smythe:He has.
Thundernerd 1:I love how I just love them. I I I don't know what to say. I mean, one of them was like a musician, like a drummer or something in a band. He wasn't even an actor. Mister Kidd was not an actor.
Thundernerd 1:The guy with the, like, bald head and the glasses and shit. But he's freaky. His performance is weird, unconventional. They just work as henchmen. They they they are two of my favorite, like, henchmen.
Thundernerd 1:And I and
Mr St John Smythe:And the the music that plays when They've they're always on
Thundernerd 1:got a great theme.
Mr St John Smythe:Their theme is fucking creepy. They're so creepy.
Thundernerd 1:They're they're creepy. And the way that they're gay and the film doesn't especially for the nineteen seventies, it doesn't Yeah. It's it's it's it's quite nuanced actually. It's like it doesn't make a deal of them being gay. It just it it does a thing of like a really great example of just showing not telling.
Thundernerd 1:It doesn't throw in any lines of dialogue. It doesn't try and like put it in your face. It just shows you what their connection and relationship is, and everything about it just makes it weirder that they're like a partner. They're like partners, but they're they're in the same field, and it's just weird. Everything about them is like off putting and freaky.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. And their performances, and and like you said, especially their dialogue, and the music that accompanies them is awesome. And every time they show up, they are the best part of Dimes After Ever. In fact
Mr St John Smythe:Their their scenes are the best scenes
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Voice Over:Of the whole
Mr St John Smythe:film.
Thundernerd 1:And they and I I I remember that they were one that I frequented on my on my special edition of my DVD when I went to, like, villain scenes. They were ones Yeah. I would always pull up diamonds, and I'd watch the diamonds. And and again, seeing deleted scenes of them, they're great in all their deleted scenes as well.
Mr St John Smythe:So Yeah. Yeah. And one thing that I find really cool about them, you never see them with Blofeld or anything like that. Like
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. You never see them in
Mr St John Smythe:work for Blaufeld. He doesn't go, mister Wint and mister Kidd, I want you to kill Bond. Like, you don't
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. You're right. That's actually it's a great point. As far as you're concerned, he's putting on the voice
Mr St John Smythe:box That's strange. Willard White
Thundernerd 1:and just giving the orders is like because even when they arrive at Willard White Tower in the basement section and take him out the cactus door, which is fucking cool as well, out in the desert side to put him in the, like, construction site. They don't see they're not upstairs in the elevator. They're down in the basement. They just collect him at the bottom, so they never see their master's face as far as you're concerned. They don't know everything.
Thundernerd 1:They have been hired by someone that they're as far as we know, they're assassins for hire that have been hired by maybe Willard White with the voice Blofeld in the voice box, and their job is to assassinate anyone that come into contact with these diamonds. And it makes it cooler, because even Bond doesn't see them. It's not like They're not. It's not like Jaws or or Jobber who have multiple encounters with Bond. They do, but half the time it's like Bond walks past and doesn't know.
Thundernerd 1:When he sees him at the the cremation place, they get him on the back of the thing and he doesn't know. The construction site, he's knocked out, and they drop him off there. And then it's down to Bond's wits to go, I've smelt that aftershave before, and both times I've smelled a rat and he works it out at the end. That's a sick henchman confrontation scene.
Mr St John Smythe:I love their final scene as well.
Thundernerd 1:It's the best scene of the film.
Mr St John Smythe:A little fight with Bon.
Thundernerd 1:It's cool.
Mr St John Smythe:Sets one of them on fire. He blows the other one up.
Thundernerd 1:It's sick. It's sick. It's a great scene. Bon des appease. Like, I don't know, man.
Thundernerd 1:It it Blofeld if Blofeld's ending is disappointing in the way that like, look, Blofeld has a great sequence at Willard White Tower with Bond. Like, there's a sick scene where he comes face to face, and Bond's like shocked, can't believe it.
Mr St John Smythe:Wrong pussy.
Thundernerd 1:What I died here, mister Bond. Wrong pussy. Yeah. Like and when he confronts him, that's sick, I love you know, even though Connery looks like at points in this film he's going through the motions
Mr St John Smythe:He looks pretty uninterested at times. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:He looks pretty uninterested. Even him uninterested is better acting than than George's acting in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, where he at least has the charisma of Bond because he Bond kind of became Connery, and Connery kind of became Bond in a way in that role. And so when he returns, he doesn't have to put much energy in for you to go, oh, that's James Bond. Even though you might say, Sean's belly is forever. Like, you might say that he looks a bit, you know, but he is Bond when he gets in that white tux and that black tie or even when he I love the scene when he's like, you know, I'm just popping upstairs for the moment.
Thundernerd 1:And he and he gets on the elevator and he's like smelling the rose, and then he like uses the gun and he's like When he
Mr St John Smythe:uses the little rappel gun.
Thundernerd 1:That's sick. I love that saying.
Mr St John Smythe:Rappel gun, whatever it is, and he Like That's cool.
Thundernerd 1:It's so cool.
Mr St John Smythe:He's hanging from the side of one of the big buildings in Vegas.
Thundernerd 1:It's just cool. It's like
Mr St John Smythe:That's cool.
Thundernerd 1:It looks cool. He's effortless. The way he speaks to Blowfeld's sick. He gets to the lair. The lair's not that exciting.
Thundernerd 1:It's literally just a let's just say it's it's not a Ken Adams film. That's what you get the vibe. Yep. It looks like at the start, they try and make it feel a bit Ken Adams y, like in the Mud Lair thing, and then and then Willard White's design looks but the the whole actually, is it Ken Adams? Hold up.
Thundernerd 1:Hold up.
Mr St John Smythe:I it was, but
Thundernerd 1:because I was just
Mr St John Smythe:I gonna Maybe they ran a money,
Thundernerd 1:and they because I'm just trying to think, because they had to pay him 8,000,000 That's the start of the
Mr St John Smythe:movie. Mhmm. With like the mud pit Yeah. Thing. I liked the look of that.
Thundernerd 1:I thought that Same. I'm just wondering if it is Ken Adams. I'm gonna look it up now. Who was the set designer? Because my my my what I'm trying to get out here is, did they spending $8,000,000 on Sean Connery to return, did they run it?
Mr St John Smythe:And Adams was in diamonds. He did work on diamonds.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. So hang on. I'm getting a call on Discord. Sorry about that. Thundernotes.
Thundernerd 1:Does that mean that the set design of because I'm what I'm trying to get at is why did the oil rig look so lackluster? Is it because they ran out of money paying Sean Connery $8,000,000 at the time to come back that they didn't have any money to design a big lavish set, so they just found an oil rig and made that Blofeld's lair. Because it just feels a bit it looks nothing like a Ken Adams set. It looks like an oil rig. Do you know what I mean?
Thundernerd 1:It's got no Yeah. Lavish. Do do you know what I'm trying to get out there?
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. I did like the you know when he's got like the map on the on the floor?
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm.
Mr St John Smythe:It's an old floor table. He's got the map the map you see.
Thundernerd 1:In the in the World Wipes thing.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. I thought that was very cool.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. No. That was cool. And they see the oil rig. At him.
Thundernerd 1:It was. Okay.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. The
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna look this up. Why was diamonds
Mr St John Smythe:I thought the oil rig, it wasn't visually grand.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:It did just look like it was an oil rig. Yeah. There was nothing special about it. But I thought as a kid, the oil rig was fucking cool, the idea of it.
Thundernerd 1:So did I. I mean, when I was a kid, I thought it was one of the cooler ones because when you're a kid, you just but I and look, maybe the point of it is meant to be that now it's weird though, because I was gonna say, oh, maybe justify it by saying it was Willard White's oil rig, but then Willard White himself says, don't have anything in Baja or whatever the location is. So he makes a point to be like
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Whatever's on that map there is not mine. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I get you though.
Thundernerd 1:It's a cool idea. I just think that the whole last sequence doesn't do much. It's like, we're fighting the helicopters and then bombs swinging on a rope for a bit, and then he's like, I guess he
Mr St John Smythe:gets Little bit of shooting, little bit of explosion.
Thundernerd 1:And it's not enough, like, him, like, ramming Blofeld into the communications tower. It's like, I don't see what happens to Blofeld after that. The only thing I see of him for the next few decades almost is is a an uncredited, you know, shot from behind a wheelchair and for your for your eyes only. This is his big this is the showdown right here between Blofeld and Bond on the oil.
Mr St John Smythe:This is the Swings him around in a crane in his little boat. It's not good.
Thundernerd 1:It's not it's not satisfying enough. What's not? See,
Mr St John Smythe:what happens there? Because do they allude to Bluffield getting away?
Thundernerd 1:Well, no. They don't.
Mr St John Smythe:Does he get captured? Does he die?
Thundernerd 1:They don't say anything about it.
Mr St John Smythe:What the fuck happens to him?
Thundernerd 1:They don't say anything.
Mr St John Smythe:They just He just gets shaken around a bit And they and you assume that he got his
Thundernerd 1:neck snapped, do you assume that he got into custody? Like, what are we meant to gain from that? Like, there's nothing to say what we're meant to gain from that. Clearly, he didn't go into custody because the lair blows up and Bond like escapes up the side without Blowfeld. So you assume that he's left him to die there in the sub?
Thundernerd 1:It's very confusing. What if he lived? What what if he lived and and then they quick dive off the side and and then Blaufeld's just like in there and he eventually gets out and I don't know. But do you know, it's just it's very it's very lackluster knowing that this is Connery's last proper go of Bond because Never Say Never Again is not official. Okay?
Thundernerd 1:And this is, for all intents and purposes, the film following on her majesty's secret service where Bond's fucking wife just got killed. It just doesn't Yep. Do it.
Mr St John Smythe:And that's the end of the whole every film besides Goldfinger up until this point.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. It's the accumulation of all of it.
Mr St John Smythe:This is the combination, and it's fucking shit.
Thundernerd 1:For all intents and purposes, exactly what you just said. So I don't know. I mean, it looks to be if I look here, the decision to use the oil rig for Blofeld's lair in diamonds was primarily creative and logistical choice. While the film's budget was a factor in some production decisions, there's nothing to indicate the production ran out of out of money and needed to use the oil rig, so it seems like it was just a choice to do it. My observation is that it just looks a lot less bond lairish in its design than previous designs have up until this point.
Mr St John Smythe:I feel like the oil rig would have been great for, like, a midway scene. It's not the final boss's lair.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. You're right. It's like it's a it's a set piece for for the film in a way that, like, the the oil area of World is the you know, that, like, little that oil It's thing in World Is Not Enough where they have the Right. Like that. It's like Exactly.
Thundernerd 1:It's a final.
Mr St John Smythe:Moonraker when he's in the fucking Amazon jungle.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. It's not the final thing?
Mr St John Smythe:It's a it's a cool air, but it's not the final
Thundernerd 1:Space.
Mr St John Smythe:He's not up in space. Yeah. It's that's I reckon what that that should have been. The oil rig should have been in the middle of the movie.
Thundernerd 1:And then there'd be something else And then as Blowfeld's you know, final lair.
Mr St John Smythe:Blowfeld's lair.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. What do we think
Mr St John Smythe:of It's no volcano or pis flora
Thundernerd 1:or No way. No way it's not. And those are two awesome some of the most famous layers, and then we get followed up with this. So Yeah. What what's your thoughts on well, what do we have anything else, like, good to say?
Thundernerd 1:Like, for instance, I do like how we get to see Bond as Peter Franks for a bit. I like that we see him following the chain. I like that we see him pretending to be a doctor at at the, you know, the moon buggy area where he's like pretend where he's like Clowns Ferguson I like section. He's like and then someone else comes through and does the exact same thing, and they're
Mr St John Smythe:like, this is the same thing.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I like all that.
Mr St John Smythe:I like that. I I think the movie is good in scenes. When you put it together, there's some issues.
Thundernerd 1:It is it is to summate it. It definitely is a film where if you like I said at the start, if you put this on in the background, you don't think too hard about it, it's just a thing that you're watching while you're doing something else, it's got enough surface level enjoyment and like things happening moment to moment that you'll you'll have a bit of fun with it, and it's a bit of cheesy classic Bond. But when you think about the plot, like you said, when you get to the cremation section and the Vegas stuff and the and the circus, it becomes really hard to know what is the real diamonds and what isn't, and the film becomes increasingly more confusing the more you try and think about it. I get all the the holding them to ransom and shit, but there is a lot going on in this film. Like even Willard White is not Willard White, you know, who's working for who?
Thundernerd 1:Burt Saxby's working for someone Who is Burt Saxby? Who like Plenty O'Toole, how does she fit in? Why does she end up dead? There's a lot of things that look like they're omitted from the edit, maybe to save on time that also don't help the film.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Do we do we wanna get into an MVP for this? What how are you feeling? Yeah. Is there anything else you wanna say before we like kinda get into Letterboxd and MVP? Like, any final kind
Mr St John Smythe:of thoughts? Or Not really. I mean, I always just think Bambi and Thumper was quite cool because
Thundernerd 1:They were cool. Like, again, you're right, though. It's scene stuff, isn't it? It's like scene to scene Bond Bond with the moon buggy is pretty funny. Bond, you know, doing the stunt in Vegas with the car is cool even though the chase around it is a bit lame and, like, the police are fairly incompetent.
Thundernerd 1:The opening sequence out of context of of On Her Majesty is is a good sequence and scene. It is a it's made up of a lot of fun little scenes. Bambi and Thumbra, I thought, were sick. I really liked them. I thought it was a bit lame that that he just holds their head underwater and somehow they can't just be like, get the fuck off me and, like, move out.
Thundernerd 1:But, like
Mr St John Smythe:The yeah. That that was a bit weird. But But
Thundernerd 1:I like the scene. I like
Mr St John Smythe:the the kid. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was I thought it was cool that he walks in there
Thundernerd 1:Thinking, oh, like
Mr St John Smythe:you're expecting ladies. You're expecting him to be like, oh, yes. I'm Bond. James Bond.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Mr St John Smythe:But no. They try to kick the shit out of him and kill him.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I agree with that. I do like that. I think that is pretty sick. And again, just has me wondering why is the choreography in that scene good, and then why is it so oddly out of place in the opening of the film.
Thundernerd 1:But anyway yeah. Okay. Let's let's get into MVP. I'm not gonna lie. I was thinking about MVP for Diamonds Are Forever the other day, and I had a really tough time.
Thundernerd 1:Because I I was thinking about it, and I'm like, nothing in this film comes together enough for me to to have a clear MVP, and then
Mr St John Smythe:It was then for me. Yep. I've got my MVP.
Thundernerd 1:So do I.
Mr St John Smythe:It was it was hard. It was hard at first. I was like, fuck. Yep. Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:Because I thought, oh, maybe Ken Adams again. And I was like, no. Sean Connery? No. It it was tough.
Mr St John Smythe:It was tough.
Thundernerd 1:I have narrowed it down to a Okay? Single Now Yep. I yeah. I'll get into who I had, like, after, like, who who were some of the the front runners. Shall we do a little three two one?
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:We would say it on one? Okay.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:I'll count us in. You ready? On one. 321. Bruce Glover.
Mr St John Smythe:Must have went mister Kidd.
Thundernerd 1:Huge. Okay. Yep. Let's get into this. So
Mr St John Smythe:Can can you explain yours?
Thundernerd 1:I will explain mine. So I have gone for I I used up my I would have said mister Wint, mister Kidd.
Mr St John Smythe:They for me, it's one they're one entity. Yep. They go together.
Thundernerd 1:Yep. So I I have said Bruce Glover as Mr. Wind as number one, only because I was going with the specificity of, like, choosing one. But I if we're allowing that, then it's both. But but I I yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
Mr St John Smythe:So I couldn't pick between the two, and so I was like, I'm not using up my multiple MVP token.
Thundernerd 1:Count This as your MVP token. This doesn't count. They are they are one. Like, I only said that because Bruce Glover is the act he is the trained character actor of the two of them. And I just think his performances meet mister Wint, like the way that mister Kidd, the way he's like, you know, she was very attractive for a lady.
Thundernerd 1:And then, like, mister Wince just gives that, like, that that that stare, like and the way he delivers his line, like, he's like a snake the way he delivers his lines, mister mister Wince. He's and the way that he but if we're allowing it, then yes, my MVP yeah. I don't know what the actor's name for mister Kidd is. I apologize. I looked up Bruce Glover before because he was my MVP.
Thundernerd 1:My MVPs would be mister Wint, mister Kidd. I didn't think of Dan for ages though. I I was going, is it Guy Hamilton? No. This is nowhere near as good as Goldfinger.
Thundernerd 1:I thought about Connery. No. I thought about Tiffany Case. She doesn't do a lot. She's kind of just a damsel in distress and doesn't add a lot to the plot at all as a Bond girl.
Thundernerd 1:Like
Mr St John Smythe:For me, Tiffany Case, I would rank her as one of the worst Bond girls.
Thundernerd 1:She's so boring.
Mr St John Smythe:If not not the worst.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. She's
Mr St John Smythe:I'll look for her
Thundernerd 1:if I'm there with you.
Mr St John Smythe:Personally, I'd probably put her at the very bottom of the list if we were ranking all the all the Bond girls.
Thundernerd 1:Can I be straight with that? I don't I still to this day don't know if she was just prepared to like chill out on Blofeld's oil rig if no one ever came after her. That has never made sense to me. Like, you know how Tracy gets captured and she starts to like play him for a fiddle? Jill's just kind of there as as Tiffany Case chilling on the oil rig and and only when Bond
Mr St John Smythe:runs enjoying herself. And Yeah. She she's not a I don't think she's a good person. I don't feel like she like she was
Thundernerd 1:She is a smuggler. She's a smuggler. She
Mr St John Smythe:was yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Was one of the smugglers. So you're right. She's like she's there's not she is quite if you look at it, she is quite selfish. And then to not to help her case, she goes and like almost fucks the whole operation up by putting the wrong thing back in.
Mr St John Smythe:I man, I've imagine if she did it on purpose.
Thundernerd 1:She's It's and then and then
Mr St John Smythe:She's a bad she's a villain.
Thundernerd 1:And then look, go on like, I'm trying to kill Blowfeld, shoot them, and then, like, goes off the edge of the the it's like, no, Tiffany. I'm sorry. But no.
Mr St John Smythe:She was So And I I don't find her very attractive either.
Thundernerd 1:So she's she's down on character and and attractiveness for you as as as a Bond girl. So she probably is is she the bottom of your list, would you say? Is she below
Mr St John Smythe:Off the top of my head without actually No.
Thundernerd 1:Know what? No. I think I think I'm there with you because you know why? I think I'd even put Solage or whatever her name it no. That's the chick from Casino who does.
Thundernerd 1:I'd put the chick from Quantum above Tiffany Case.
Mr St John Smythe:So do I.
Thundernerd 1:Because she's at least got more to her character than she can tell she's good person. She's got a good revenge to her. I think Quantum's not that bad, but anyway, we'll get there. It's like like no.
Mr St John Smythe:I think can't it it's been been years since I've watched it.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, it's the Craig film I've seen the least in the
Mr St John Smythe:longest between It's my least favorite Craig film.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. And it's the one I've least seen. So so some no. Look, he might be the bottom of my list as well, but like okay.
Mr St John Smythe:In terms of
Thundernerd 1:Ken Adams.
Mr St John Smythe:Villains, Benjamin Yeah. Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd. Up They're right up there.
Mr St John Smythe:I'll have to do the list properly, but I know that they're gonna be
Thundernerd 1:High rankers.
Mr St John Smythe:They're gonna be up there.
Thundernerd 1:They're gonna be high rankers. Yeah. I think they'll be high rankers for me as well because they're also just so unique. We don't see a lot where there's two of them that come as a collective. It's quite interesting.
Thundernerd 1:And again, the things of, like, they don't ever see their master. They don't really interact with Bond that much. What about
Mr St John Smythe:Mister sorry. Mister Kidd's actor's name is Putter Smith.
Thundernerd 1:And he's a band member or something? A drummer or
Mr St John Smythe:something? Look that up.
Thundernerd 1:Sure that he wasn't an actor.
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah. He's there's a photo of him with a big bass.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. It was like an he's a
Mr St John Smythe:musician. Yeah. The string instrument.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I don't know how they
Mr St John Smythe:It's like a big
Thundernerd 1:yeah. I don't know how they
Mr St John Smythe:He's got a big big bass. Yeah. Legendary bass player, Potter Smith.
Thundernerd 1:And he's just randomly
Mr St John Smythe:a bundle? Every photo of him, he's holding a giant fucking bass.
Thundernerd 1:How fun is that? How random is that? Yeah. Anyway.
Mr St John Smythe:Besides some photos here and there of mister kid.
Thundernerd 1:So
Mr St John Smythe:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:So, like, I mean, I'm guessing Charles Gray, none of that was ever getting close to your list either, because I I was kinda sitting here going, Ken Adams can't get it for me. I thought about John Barry, and then I thought John Barry's becoming a a real cop out for me because he's such an easy candidate for me because he's just I thought about Shirley Bassey.
Mr St John Smythe:I thought about Shirley Bassey.
Thundernerd 1:I was like Shirley Bassey, but then I was like, if I think about Shirley Bassey, the only thing is I'm trying to make the MVP like someone who this film couldn't be without, and therefore, she's only in that title song, whereas John Barry, the motif of the music lives on, and and it's such a it's another banger soundtrack from John Barry. Imagine
Mr St John Smythe:this film without mister Wint and mister Kidd.
Thundernerd 1:No. You can't. So then Without
Mr St John Smythe:those scenes?
Thundernerd 1:It would be so much less enjoyable.
Mr St John Smythe:Boring film.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. It'd be so much less enjoyable. So Mister Wint and Mister Kidd, that is both of our MVPs for this film. Now let's give this a letterboxed rating out of five star. I'm gonna come up with what I think I would give it now in my head, and then I'm gonna look at what I gave it in the past.
Thundernerd 1:I want you to come up with yours. Do you want me to go first with this one?
Mr St John Smythe:Doesn't bother me either.
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna give this a three star, and I must say to you that if I was to it's three star. I'm gonna look at what I gave it in the past right now. Let's have a look what I gave this in the past, But I'm gonna tell you right now that it's the lowest end of three star. Like, if you would if you would say that three star had a, like, low, middle, and upper tier. Yep.
Thundernerd 1:This is like the low three star. This is like just below two and a 2.9. Yeah. It's it's like in the twos. I'm gonna look I'm gonna look right now.
Thundernerd 1:What let's see what Letterboxd has. Diamonds are forever. I rated this when I saw it at the cinema a few years ago. I gave it I gave it two and a half star.
Mr St John Smythe:That's my rating, two and a half.
Thundernerd 1:So it's a five. It's actually and and and guess what? You ready for this? What do you think its average median is on letterboxed? Like, considering everyone who's ever rated it, what do you think it's got?
Mr St John Smythe:I reckon probably a two.
Thundernerd 1:It's got exactly what you said initially. It's a 2.9 median.
Mr St John Smythe:2.9.
Thundernerd 1:2.9 exactly median. So where I'm saying it's just below a three, it's it's banging on with the average of what Letterboxd is saying across all its its ratings. I'll I'm gonna just let's let's just read a couple of the the reviews out because it might be fun to actually just see what people are saying about this film. Let's see what people say. I should actually do this more often.
Thundernerd 1:Let's see what reviews say. This movie has all of the worst Bond has to offer bad jokes, dumb women, and a lame performance Sean Connery has paid, then a record $1,250,000 to return his Bond one last time, and this movie is tired in every sense. Connery who's seen to be only in it for money phoned in his entire performance, lack of energy carries through the film. There is a car chase in the film that goes on, might be the worst film in terms of Bond women. I agree with that.
Thundernerd 1:Mister Winter, Mister Kidder, horrendous. Can't agree with that. They're supposed to be a gay couple. Don't understand why they keep referencing each other by their last names. Cringe okay.
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna get off that review. One star, two yeah. No. It's it's it's not well rated. What and you're giving it a 2.5?
Mr St John Smythe:Yep. 2.5.
Thundernerd 1:2.5. So that's where it is. I'm look. I'm I'm rushing because my battery is is gonna die. I'm on 6% on my laptop, so Discord may abruptly shut soon.
Thundernerd 1:Let's before we leave, I wanna have a quick look ahead. James Bond will return in Live and Let Die. When was the last time you watched Live and Let Die?
Mr St John Smythe:Probably about a year ago.
Thundernerd 1:More recent.
Mr St John Smythe:More Yeah. Recent. This is one that I go back to quite often.
Thundernerd 1:Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Well, I have I'm halfway through my rewatch, maybe a little bit over halfway through my rewatch. I started it actually a couple of weeks ago. I haven't returned to it, but I'm not
Mr St John Smythe:I'm not fully watching it tonight.
Thundernerd 1:Done. Alright. There you go. Maybe we'll try and put this one down very soon then once we've seen it. So we've got that one in the bank as well, live and let die.
Thundernerd 1:But is there anything else you want to touch on before we wrap this potty up?
Mr St John Smythe:No. Think I think we've said everything.
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Mr St John Smythe:No. Was
Thundernerd 1:It was massive for a while.
Mr St John Smythe:One that I one that I skipped.
Thundernerd 1:Skipped. No. It's it's more like online. It's online. It's yeah.
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