Have you ever dreamed of packing up and moving abroad? Join a spirited Southern gal turned expat as she dives into the journey of building a life in a new culture. Through heartfelt stories, interviews, and a healthy dose of humor, explore the ups and downs of finding community, adapting, evolving, creating a new life far from home, all while staying true to your roots. Whether you’re an aspiring globetrotter, solo traveller, digital nomad or just curious about life on the other side of the world, this podcast will leave you laughing, reflecting, and inspired to explore the beauty of embracing new cultures.
- Tessa, you've been here for five years now.
- Yeah.
- I'd ask you, what brought you to Ireland?
- I anticipated this question,
and I thought long and hard about whether I'd answer truthfully
because I know in our storytelling evening,
I said that kind of the sense of adventure brought me to Ireland.
But I think actually the truth is,
I know you came here for love
and your previous guest also said she moved to Ireland for love.
But I actually think I definitely moved to Ireland
after a terrible heartbreak.
And I think I was trying to escape
kind of escape a heartbreak in South Africa
and forging you start and luckily I did.
But yeah, so I think that is ultimately why I left
and why I came to Ireland.
I know it's good for it.
- Yeah, most people see a similar story,
I moved here for love and you actually moved here
to get away from heart break.
- Yeah.
- I think I forged a new start.
- What can I, I guess I can,
what I asked, what has actually kept you here in Ireland?
- Yeah, that's an interesting one.
So I really loved being here my first couple of years.
I learned so much, I guess about myself.
I was traveling a lot.
I really enjoyed that aspect as well.
My family live in the UK
and quite a few of my friends live in the UK as well.
And so really, I guess what kept me in Ireland is
that I kind of foresee a future here,
kind of future in the side of the world.
And I really, yeah, enjoyed myself.
I feel very safe and secure here.
I've loved my new lifestyle here.
And so I think it's where I really see myself going forward.
- In originally, you're from South Africa, correct?
- Yeah.
- So it's a long journey talking about different climate,
different types of things.
I guess a different way of life as well.
How have you been able to kind of acclimate
to living in Irish country?
- Yeah, so the way that's an interesting one
and actually, I think it pays a much bigger role
than people actually give a credit for.
So for myself, definitely, I can feel such a difference
at around this time of the year,
this spring time of the year when the days get much longer.
And I just feel like a completely new person
and kind of back to my old self, as I would say.
So I don't think one actually realises
how much the weather affects kind of the psyche
and all of those type of things
because I can really feel very miserable
in the long cold dark days in winter.
And even when it just, even if it's light,
but it just rains for two weeks,
it really does get you down
and somehow the locals just seem to cope with it.
But I feel like I cope with it a little bit less well.
I don't think I've coped that well with the weather
or a climateising to it.
But you do learn to enjoy other aspects of it.
You learn to, I guess, make hay when the sun shines
and enjoy the long evenings during summertime
because they really are amazing.
When it only gets dark at 10 p.m.,
it's like those are really a fun, special evenings.
And then sometimes you just have to embrace the cold dark evenings
at Christmas time and enjoy those kind of snaggy moments
with the chocolates and all of those kind of things.
And just being so far from home,
is there a way that you feel like you've probably made
any kind of connections
or we've had an opportunity to build a community here
with maybe other South Africans
and maybe other international.
Yeah, so I definitely feel that it's been easier
to make friends with other international people
or even other South Africans
than I've personally found it to make friends
with Irish locals,
which is not to say that the Irish locals haven't been
exceptionally friendly because they have
and they've been amazing.
But I do think when you're older,
friendship circles are already formed
and so it's a lot easier to kind of make friends
with people who I guess are also outsiders.
I was very fortunate where I originally worked,
which is up in letter Kenny in Donegal.
There's quite a big South African community there
and so I made some great friends there
and I'm still in contact with them,
although most of us have moved on to different places now
but we still keep in contact.
I've made a few kind of other international friends as well
which is really great.
It means that there's always a bed
in a few different countries in Europe
and it's really a great part of traveling and relocating
I think is making international friends.
A part of that journey of making international friends,
how do you find it maybe keeping in contact
or sort of holding on to friendships
that you might have had back home?
How's that been for you?
It's always difficult holding on to friendships back home,
especially at this stage of life.
I think when everyone's got something different going on
and I think as you know families demand a lot of attention
and it does change friendships quite a lot.
So I think those aspects make it difficult.
I'm very fortunate in that two of my very best friends
that I grew up with currently in Linden
and so I see them very regularly.
We still keep in good contact the majority of the friends
but definitely it's not any distance
that changes a friendship or changes friendships.
I think the commonalities change as we get older.
I don't know, you sometimes start to wonder
if you'd be friends, if you hadn't been at the same school
when you were younger, these type of things
which are not nasty things, they just,
you think about them but ultimately I'm very fortunate
that I have a great group of friends
and it seems that no matter how long time passes,
we'll always be able to reconnect
and I think that's the most important thing.
It's just that you can have periods of time
where you kind of lose grip on that original friendship
but I think the people who were there
from the very beginning kind of will always be there.
You're seeing the dynamics have probably changed
a little bit obviously because of space and time
but as far as the connections,
I guess no matter where you are,
and they're always pretty solid.
- Yeah, I think for the majority of things,
I think if there was any kind of big issues,
they always, the people you would at least want to know
what want to be involved first and foremost
or you know would support you
or you know you could go to, I think,
other than your family, I guess.
But yeah, definitely friendships change
and it is really hard.
There's things that you just don't have in common anymore.
Even small things like your Netflix is different.
Even between, yeah, even I guess between here and the UK
when I talk about my friends in the UK,
your Netflix is different.
So you're watching different TV programs,
you're looking at different content on Instagram.
There's just the fashion is different,
the seasons are different.
So it's just so difficult to, I guess, keep up
and stay on the same page and just stay relevant to each other,
I think.
- Would you say some of your friends that you've made here
kind of have been, I'd say, I don't know,
I'd say promoted to kind of being friends
that you would consider close friends,
like some of your friends back home,
even though you probably didn't go to school with them
or things like that.
But there's some friendships or bonds
that can be made that can kind of grow into something.
- Yeah, I think definitely there's
friendships that you make as you're, when you're older,
also different friendships.
Like I think you can sometimes share different things
with those, with those friends.
And as I said, as I, as you know,
I had quite a conservative upbringing.
So those are kind of, that was a very core,
I guess, foundation in my group of friends.
And so making new friends who didn't have that foundation
has been quite eye-opening to me.
And I guess I've made friends that maybe wouldn't have had
the same kind of conservative background I had.
And then we could have different conversations,
which has been really fun and really an enjoyable experience
as well.
I've really enjoyed that.
So it just opens your worldview tremendously, I think.
- For sure.
I grew conservative too.
So I would be kind of of the same kind of, you know,
meeting people, I would say that probably be a little bit
more liberal and challenge some of the things
I would have been raised to believe.
And I think it is good because you said it opens up conversation.
It allows you to see a different perspective.
And just let you know that the world probably isn't just
so black and white.
- And isn't as evil as you thought it was.
- And I know people are so good people
in all of these type of things.
- Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Would you say you're still kind of honed on
even though you've traveled, you've lived in different places?
Would you say you still hold on to some of those
conservative values though,
even living in the world you live in today
and the environment that you live in today?
- That's an interesting question.
That's very interesting.
Yeah, I would say no.
And yes, I think I've,
I would definitely not consider myself conservative
when I was a lot younger.
But I think as I'm getting older,
I'm definitely earning on the more conservative side,
which is quite interesting.
But there's many aspects of me that aren't conservative at all.
And I would generally consider myself quite liberal.
But as I'm getting older,
there's certain things that I personally see
quite black and white,
which I feel has nothing to do with the way I was raised.
So I think that's an interesting question.
And one of that's kind of, I guess, comes up.
- Yeah, yeah.
I know, sometimes you think like some things
I would've grown up on and like,
oh, yeah, I don't know if I really understand
the world to be that way,
but you're right, probably growing up and like,
oh, maybe I can see why someone would kind of lean towards
a certain side.
I mean, again, just being accepting
of different beliefs and ideals,
but still kind of having your own core belief.
- I think it's also difficult these days
because I think everyone's trying to force you,
or not you, everyone's trying to force you
so black and white into conservative or liberal.
There's, it's very difficult to just be like,
well, just kind of in the middle or,
you know, so I also don't wanna label myself
as anything on that front because I don't think
I really fit into either of the categories
and I'm prone to change and I have different views
and different issues, I think.
- I think in America, we'd say you're more moderate than
if you're not considered liberal, yeah.
We're not gonna get into politics.
- No, not in politics.
- Not in American politics, especially.
Actually, talk about your work here
and what you're doing and maybe hard you get into
the career path that you chose.
- Yeah, so I'm a medical doctor and yeah,
I got into, I wanted to be a doctor when I was very young,
actually after I watched quite a big humanitarian crisis,
I think it might have been the tsunami or something like that
and I decided I wanted to be a doctor.
So I studied medicine, which was really interesting
and fun and rewarding in South Africa.
I did my internship and community service there as well,
which was some of the best days of my life,
actually in hindsight, I really enjoyed it.
Yeah, and it was hard, it was really tough as well.
There's a lot of things that I think about in hindsight
that I'm just like, oh my god, that was terrible.
But yeah, I opened up many doors and one of them
was the opportunity to travel.
So I moved to Ireland on a work visa to work as a doctor
and yeah, that's what I'm doing.
In general surgery now, I do quite a lot of teaching
as well, the medical students.
So I really enjoy it and yeah.
- I'm sure it's very rewarding career path for sure.
- Yeah, it's ups and downs.
- It's ups and downs is a career path, I think.
But yeah, I think it's definitely something I love.
And it's also very different working here
to working in South Africa.
So that's been a great opportunity for me to just learn
a different way of, I guess, the way the system works
and all of these type of things.
I just see the resources that people have over here
is insane compared to what we have, I guess, in South Africa.
So all of these things have been great eye openness
and great learning opportunities for me.
- Would you have sort of, I guess,
the similar kind of social, I don't wanna say,
is it social welfare, like are the insurance no?
- No, so I think, so in South Africa,
there's a very well established private sector,
which is insurance, I guess, would be like the American system.
And then there's a public sector, which is the public sector,
but it's not the HSC or NHS here are much better run
than the public sector in South Africa.
So you would still rather be in the HSC or the NHS
than in the public sector in South Africa.
So which, I don't know if I should say that one,
the camera actually, but like, yeah.
So, yeah, it's not ideal.
But the system here is great.
- The American one.
- The American one.
- The American one.
- Yeah, the system here.
I know there's a lot of complaints about it,
but it works very well from my experience.
And for the majority of cases,
patients get great care and great treatment.
I think in comparison to somewhere like South Africa
where there is no welfare system,
where patients are really, it's a really shocking system.
So I think that's been a great learning curve as well.
- Would you see yourself doing medicine outside of Ireland
or anywhere else?
We're able to see this perspective
and that you like it.
Would you be open to doing it anywhere else?
Are you happy with working like you said
with the HSC or the NHS system?
- Yeah, look, I would be open to any kind of opportunities
and career growth, it's always important.
I don't think I particularly want to go back
to working in medicine in South Africa.
It's just very different.
I would certainly prefer to stay in a system like this
as it goes for now, but yeah, I would enjoy learning
somewhere else.
And on the flip side also, and I do encourage all my SHOs
and my interns that if they have the opportunity
to go to a place like South Africa, they actually should
and do a couple of months as an elective there
because it's a really great place for exposure
and hands on learning and you really get a great training
that's tough.
So, well, no, that's interesting to hear.
And that's a nice perspective.
You see, to see the difference and to probably give you that balance.
- Yeah.
- In the way you approach, I guess, healthcare.
I wouldn't talk to you about just going back to your family.
Your parents are in London, you say it, right?
- Well, no, they're not talking about you.
- Oh, no, I mean, sorry.
- They're in the UK.
Most international people that live abroad,
they probably wouldn't have their family
so close to their doorstep.
Do you think that's made a difference in your experience?
I would say of moving abroad and...
- Yeah, I think it's been really helpful in quite a few ways.
So, one of the ways in which it's been helpful is that
quite a lot of young people in South Africa are immigrating
and I think certainly some of my peers
don't want to immigrate because they don't want to leave
their older parents alone.
And I even see this, we discuss it quite a lot in Ireland
as well, the kids want to go to Australia
but they don't want to leave their older parents by themselves.
So, and which it is a tough thing to do.
And so, I feel quite fortunate that my parents
kind of went ahead of me and us as siblings.
So, they didn't ever leave that stress on us.
It was like they're going first
and then it was up to us to do the rest.
So, there was no concern of leaving the elderly parents
at home, not that they're elderly, but, you know,
so that was the one positive thing.
And then it was really helpful having them over here.
So, I came over during COVID.
So, the first month or couple of months we couldn't travel
but then there was the common travel area
between the UK and Ireland
and my parents actually came and helped me unpack
and they brought over a bunch of kitchen things
and it was really helpful and I guess a bit cushy.
They could just kind of help the burden
or like decrease the load a little bit.
So, yeah, made a big difference.
And I guess they also just know the way things work
a little bit better and help me set up,
so help me set up some of the basic things I needed to do.
And then I guess also it's just nice having your family
so close and like your own bedroom, like my own,
like I just go home and my parents make me tea in the morning.
And you know, so, yeah, it was definitely helped
with the burden a lot and also just I guess my mum and I
would message quite a lot and have,
and you know, when we could have carried each other
because it is tough as you know, sometimes especially
in those long rainy days and then we can both
sympathize with each other.
So, no, that's for sure.
Like you say, I can definitely understand
like your parents are getting older.
Like you want to be there for those years,
you want to be able to help them out.
Just that even my own experience, my parents, I mean,
luckily it's like, you know, probably nine hour total flight
to get back home from me to Houston.
I know, South Africa could be like what?
- Yeah, 12 to 13 hours.
- 12 to 13 hours, yeah.
So nice to have them in close proximity.
And I think now to a technology face time
and you know, has made it a lot easier, made it a lot helpful.
It's a kind of like ease that, but yeah,
I think, you know, it is nice to have them as so close.
- Definitely, I know, you know, we spoke,
well, I spoke about having such a familiar childhood,
I mean, everything, I knew everyone,
we were very like a close knit community
and very much in each other's space and in each other's business.
But there are, there are pros to that situation
and I think there are pros to having parents
who really love and care about you
and ultimately having, being able to go abroad
and knowing that you have support
and knowing that you can, you're not gonna fail miserably
and you know, have to catch the next flight back
or something like that.
Like you just have that support.
It makes a huge difference, I think.
And even just having that support of someone saying,
you can do it like it's only another year
or it's only six months, till Christmas.
Or it's just these small things make a big difference.
- No, no.
I actually feel that I'm actually a lot closer to my parents.
- Yeah.
- Even though we're a lot farther away,
but there is something about like just, yeah,
that distance that is like,
even from my time living in New York that I feel that,
yeah, me and my mom, we used to butt heads growing up
but like now she's like my best friend.
- Yeah, no, I call her every day.
Same with my dad too, you know,
it's like, it's brought us a lot closer
and it's nice too that they can come visit
and yeah, help to kind of decrease that time.
I just wanna go back to the expat experience
'cause yeah, five years, it's a long time.
You know, when you think about it being in a place
so far from home from like, you know, what you know.
And if someone is just thinking about moving,
not saying even if they're here for like school
to learn English or something,
is there any like little piece of advice you can share
to maybe help make that experience maybe a little bit more
sweeter or for island specifically?
- Island specifically or anywhere in general
if you have something you could share
that might have helped you in those early days.
- Yeah, I think for me actually the early days
aren't the difficult days because the early days
are still exciting.
It's, you know, for me even going to Tesco was so much fun
because there was all the chocolates I hadn't seen before
and all the biscuits I hadn't seen before
and all of these new things.
So those days were still fun, you know,
it was like wow, everything's new and I was exploring
and I was doing all of these fun things.
It was kind of like a year or two years down the line
where I actually felt like, oh gosh, I'm really in the trenches
here, you know, so I think perseverance is good
and I think I guess also having small things to look forward to
especially if it is something like lung winter days
that are, oh short winter days that are getting you down
having the next summer holiday booked
or doing these type of things is really helpful.
And I think if you can, I also found joining less,
so I joined a few gym classes, not the actual gym,
which, well I did join, but like actual classes
where there were lots of other people around
and I've got involved in the community there.
Yeah, I think if you can get involved in the community
and find something you enjoy and get involved in that
I think is important.
And then I think something else is important
that I would advise is just learning about the culture
or where you're living.
So learning about the history of where you're living
and trying to really understand why things are maybe different
and you know, 'cause things for me that really,
I guess some things that upset me was that
the roads were so poor or the infrastructure wasn't great
or these kind of small things that you know
kind of irritated me, but if you, I guess learn,
I don't know if you kind of understand the culture,
the community that you're in a smaller area,
these other things that, and then enjoy that for what it is,
you know, especially being in the countryside
you just have to start enjoying a slower lifestyle
instead of rushing after the big smoke that you don't have.
Just, yeah, enjoy what is there, 'cause there is a lot there.
And now that the smaller narrow roads was something
that I found hard to get adjusted to
and I didn't think about it when I came
where I just was like, oh my gosh,
like the roads are so small,
it was always so terrified, like, you know,
oh my goodness, it's so much,
it's someone gonna hit me 'cause our roads are so big
and even trying to learn how to drive on the opposite side.
- Are you into, yeah.
- Yeah, you know, because we drive on the opposite side
of the road and the car.
- Oh yeah, so you had to do that.
- I had to learn too, like,
luckily I was still able to drive on my American license
for the first year, but it was still,
like, it was very difficult.
I remember the first time my gun car,
it was very scary, but, you know, that's the part,
that's the challenge.
You have to face those fears too,
like you said, immerse, become a pilot culture.
My husband made me watch probably like two or three
Irish movies, "Talking Mineries" before I moved here.
And, you know what, I'm actually grateful
that I did watch it 'cause I didn't even know
like this, you know, what went on in Ireland.
- Yeah, so it's fascinating.
- It is fascinating.
And I was just like even taking me up to Belfast
and seeing, you know, what happened with the north.
Like, there's, so there's a Northern Ireland
and there's a Republican Ireland, like, I didn't know that.
- Yeah.
- You know, I didn't know too much about that either, yeah.
- Yeah, so I think that is very valuable advice
because, yeah, you're moving somewhere,
and obviously you wanna still have your own,
you know, identity and keep your traditions,
but you still kind of need to, like you said,
immerse yourself in that culture
and just kind of, like, persevere.
- Yeah, there's a lot to say for persevere.
(laughs)
- Also, I guess the other thing is, is that one thing,
one lesson I've really learned is,
the grass is not greener on the other side,
and you just have to take the pros and cons
and weigh them up for yourself.
And rarely there's negatives to being here
and there's negatives to being where I was from
in South Africa, and there's pros to being in South Africa,
like amazing weather.
And there's negatives and there's pros being here.
So you really just weigh up what's important to you
and what is most important to you.
And that kind of realigns to you
or when you're feeling, you know, down or all of these.
And if you really can't persevere,
then that's the decision you make, I guess.
- I think the community part is too as big also
because it can get lonely even though I had my in-laws
and stuff and my husband's friends, but it wasn't,
I guess you could say it wasn't the community I built
for my own, like going to the classes
or going to events where you would meet people.
And I think that's gonna kind of help you out too,
creating those bonds, creating those friendships.
No, but honestly, I really appreciate your time
coming today.
- Thank you for having me.
- Great conversation and you had so much
well of information to share.
I wish you the best of luck with everything.
- Thank you very much.
- And I hope to see you soon.
- Yeah.