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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
00:00.00
dave_gerhardt
All right long game pod is back. It's been a little bit of a hiatus. There's a lot happening. We're trying to get our bearings case I don't know we're gonna find out. We're gonna find out so hold on first of all I haven't seen you in two weeks you're supposed to be home. You were on a.
00:05.68
Casey
Is it back. Is it back? okay.
00:16.74
dave_gerhardt
On a family trip. Not a vacation. There's distinction between a family trip and a vacation then your your flight flight got delayed 6 times what happened.
00:25.84
Casey
Ah, so there was two inches of snow at Logan airport the Sunday we were flying home so they delayed us from Sunday to Tuesday and we were flying out of Sarasota wanted us to go from saraota to Tampa which is an hour away to look waria then home. So we're like that's not going to happen.
00:38.11
dave_gerhardt
Sure a guardia.
00:43.60
Casey
Will probably get delayed again. Sure enough winds storm delays us till the next day Wednesday I just kept walking by the front desk every day of this hotel were staying and I was like Dja Cali like kaching like ah, please another night another night same thing car rental. Oh my god that set me back that was a golf trip in itself. The last four days there but
00:52.29
dave_gerhardt
another 1 another one
00:59.60
dave_gerhardt
Ah.
01:02.97
Casey
2 very young kids already already a long long trip got delayed until about two weeks it was I was ready to be home. But luckily got home and what was waiting for us dave the stomach bug now you went through this a few weeks ago right
01:03.14
dave_gerhardt
Um, what do you mean? a golf trip in itself.
01:16.81
dave_gerhardt
We went through something. Yeah I haven't had we haven't had the knock on wood. We haven't had the stomach bug yet I mean we've had it in years past and this is this is like a rite of passage. My sister has a kid. He's won and.
01:25.86
Casey
Um, yeah.
01:33.20
dave_gerhardt
I Think they used to think we were crazy because we'd be like oh we can't go to this thing like our kids are sick or like don't come over our kids are sick and then now that they have a kid. It's literally every other week. There is some some type of virus. Um I think we've built.
01:45.39
Casey
Um, it's the one. It's that cliche that like you hear before you have kids like oh you're gonna be sick every week and you really can understand it till you you have kids. It's it's insane I don't remember being this sick as a kid I don't remember my parents really ever being sick but it is unbelievable.
02:01.86
dave_gerhardt
It's different generation they were. They were probably sick and and just nobody yeah rub some dirt on it.
02:04.00
Casey
Rub some dirt on it. Yeah with with the stomach bug I was thinking like putting aside all terminal illnesses and terrible things as far as like day care stuff that it's number 1 right.
02:18.31
dave_gerhardt
No, it's the worst it's number one. It's number one. It's not even close. It's just it's ah it's complete is complete chaos and then there's like the.
02:29.63
dave_gerhardt
You're just like retching. You're just like literally like I think I would die right? I'd be okay with dying right now in this moment when it's when it's going on and then um, the worst that well no worst is being sick but then the the other the other part for me is when I just get in my head about it which is like if one of the kids has it.
02:34.21
Casey
Yeah.
02:45.31
Casey
Oh that's so so I was our first to go down was the baby but the babies throw up all the time but this was kind out of the out of the ordinary but I was the first like you know you know non baby to get it which is kind of a blessing.
02:47.61
dave_gerhardt
I'm just sitting there and I'm like man am I not okay am I Okay or am I not okay, right now it's different.
03:04.36
Casey
And you're kind of in this unique position where you're just looking around. You're like oh who's next and it is it is it is so terrifying when you're on the other side of that like especially if it's someone like maybe not in your family but you spent like 6 hours with you're like oh god and for like three days you're just like what is that? What is that feeling. But yeah, it's.
03:11.90
dave_gerhardt
Oh. Yeah yeah, I will say the closest the closest we've we've been to this is we went to Disney last year and my wife and I Leah we we each got food. We both got food poisoning on our first night there the first night in disney in a hotel.
03:29.76
Casey
Ah, ah.
03:34.37
dave_gerhardt
And it might as well have been the stomach bug and I just I wanted someone to come pick us up I needed to go home. It was.
03:37.78
Casey
And and your kids understood right? They they weren't like we got to go to this once in a lifetime park right.
03:42.15
dave_gerhardt
Is six thirty and they were like I'm hungry. Where's my ipad and when we we were just like oh its in pop. We ended we end up getting together and and walking around. Um you said it was a golf trip for the last four days is that a joke or did you get to play golf.
03:48.51
Casey
There.
03:57.43
Casey
No I mean it was the ah from a monetary standpoint. It was about it was about the cost just the hotels don't give you a break because your flight got delayed. Nope Nope no.
04:03.74
dave_gerhardt
Ah, there wasn't yeah there wasn't a there wasn't like a deal from that well and did you play any golf in Florida. Oh yeah, you you played 1 you played 1 round. We talked to Kyle Porter man you you were down there for so so long so long ago.
04:11.35
Casey
I did I played twice I got to by twice one round I was down there for so long I got rained out twice on rounds. It rained my friends are giving me shit now because I was very vocally complaining the entire time to them just venting. Um, like just being stuck in this hotel room for two weeks or we were in a few different places but and theyre giving me shit like oh yeah, it's snowing here. It's like it's ° like we don't I'm like it's is I would gladly shovel every single one of your driveways to be home at that moment but it was like I think it rained.
04:32.70
dave_gerhardt
But yeah, it's tough. You just just want to be home.
04:48.31
Casey
8 or nine days out of 14 the last two days we were under tornado warnings. Um, yeah, it was. It was fun but we're back. We're home.
04:55.67
dave_gerhardt
All right? So you and I we're gonna we're just going to chat. We're going to chat today. We're where we got ah a bunch of awesome feedback about the Kyle Porter interview and so Casey and I are working on. We want to bring on. We want to bring on more guests I think like we love talking about golf but just with our lives and schedules and.
05:01.22
Casey
You know.
05:12.90
dave_gerhardt
It's very tough to do like a recap show like everybody else that does the recap show like you got to you got to really watch all you got to watch a lot of the golf and then be able to do that podcast on a Sunday night or first thing Monday and it's just going to be tough for us to do that. But. We love talking about like the world of golf with other people and we got such awesome response like we we had so much fun talking with Dave Jankowski with Kyle Porter we have some good guests coming up. Um John short John Sherman who who's a great follow on on Twitter he writes this book called practical ah he writes this blog called practical golf. Wrote a great book last year called the 4 foundations of golf. He's um, he's like a golf coach but not a swing instructor. He talks a lot about like oncore strategy and how to get better and I've I've enjoyed follow up following him for a long time. It was kind of one of those things similar to Kyle Porter I go to Twitter. I go to Dm this guy I'm like wait. He follows me. Why does he follow me so I dmed him and and he said he's more than happy to come on the show. Um you and I you've you've sent me a bunch of like interesting people around golf brands and so I'm excited about future stuff. But I think it's worth just. Just letting people know and then you know in in between you're just going to have me and Casey just being friends and and talking about golf and I think I think that's it's going to be fun. Um.
06:21.56
Casey
In my my primary care physicians going to join us the end of the or my doctor's going to join us the end of the ah the hour just to give me a check up live on here. So.
06:27.17
dave_gerhardt
Ah, go perfect. Perfect. Even though there's nothing like that's the other thing when your kids are when the kids are this age like I remember we would go to the you know doctor's office with them every week and the doctor would be like I don't know what you want me to tell you like there's there's nothing we can give them. This is just how it is I was like okay, great.
06:39.22
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah.
06:43.83
dave_gerhardt
Thank you for that. Um, have you have you watched any did you watch any of the golf. We we had some texts like the last 2 2 tournaments but did you at least get to watch some of the golf recently right before capalooa. Yeah I watched that and I got to tell you something I'm listening to I'm listen to some of these other podcastm listening to some other podcasts I'm not going to name names.
06:51.25
Casey
Yeah, guess we were we recorded Kyle right before the century so couple I did too.
07:03.82
dave_gerhardt
Maybe because we're new but these guys are so hard on they're they're so hard on what what they determine as high qualityal golf like this is too many birdie that was so fucking fun to watch I had so I enjoyed watching capalooa there was a great ending. You had Chris Kirk the gala speak they were in the mix. It was a birdie fest I don't know how like I get the rollback discussion but some of these guys are so like angry about I'm like how is that not fun for the average casual fan that was a blast to watch what's your point of view on that.
07:25.20
Casey
Opinion.
07:32.58
Casey
Yeah, no I love watching that that's like a very unique course that I I don't think about throughout the year until that week and I kind of remember it right away when I see it just kind of the downhill talk like it sets up perfectly for Chris Kirk's game which is why he played so well.
07:47.40
dave_gerhardt
Um, well just it doesn't it give you vi it gives me vibes of like watching golf in high school. It's like that first kind of weekend school is back. It's in but it's an inbe between weekend with football and playoff like the playoffs haven't started yet like I always feel like that was on like and it's at night I feel like I'd watch that Sunday night.
07:55.50
Casey
Um, yeah.
08:01.23
Casey
And yeah, and maybe I'm wrong about this but I feel like tiger used to play it all the time too. So so it was a big bike is his first turn of the year obviously and everyone's but.
08:06.85
dave_gerhardt
Um, he did. Yeah, there was some insane I don't know what year was but there was some insane like 6 hole playoff with tiger and Ernie Ells right
08:17.40
Casey
Yeah, yeah, and this is also the tournament where it seems like every year they threaten to to break the the 4 round scoring record. So I think JT wanted a few years ago and somebody maybe even lowered its sense but ah, fun to watch.
08:23.48
dave_gerhardt
The score. Yeah yeah.
08:33.91
Casey
I wish there was like I wish ro I love to see Rory on this course I think it he would be bombs away be really cool to see but they did have a pretty good field. Um, and kissner's debut was pretty good I thought um yeah.
08:44.79
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh this is what I wanted to talk to you about yes I thought he was awesome I thought he scratched that itch of exactly what you and I have talked about where he almost felt like you know how we've said like oh we wish there was a channel where you could hear like players talk with their Caddies. He was like awesome at those little anecdotes like he knew the players. Well he. You know he gave those little like golf nerdy insights I don't think that stuff is going to be interesting to like the more casual golf fan or somebody who doesn't really Watch. You know isn't into golf as ah as a player but I thought he definitely as my kids would say filled my bucket with that.
09:18.73
Casey
Yeah I thought he was great I agree I think ah the stuff like the the scotty putting stuff or even the the speed misput like that's so cool because I think he he said on on speed speed had what like a 3 footer that he's he took 10 minutes on and missed. But.
09:27.56
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, okay.
09:36.32
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
09:38.66
Casey
Kner said something like that. These are the ones we make them putt when we're playing for money or something like that like you you don't get that from anyone usually just a cool insight and he he knew he's going to miss that.
09:44.36
dave_gerhardt
No, and and he said something and then and then um, after he missed that 3 footer he made. Ah he made another one and the next one he said all right? Jordan just go go line up there and and bang it in the hole and it's like okay that's kind of something you'd say to somebody on the course.
09:55.00
Casey
Yeah.
10:00.32
dave_gerhardt
I'm obsessed with the watching speed on the short puts now I don't know why my my golf fandom has just been you know M I a but I I went down ah a deep hole watching speeds no look three footers. It makes a lot of sense to me I don't know if I would.
10:08.90
Casey
Yeah, it's incredible, right? yeah.
10:16.96
dave_gerhardt
I Want I Want to go mess around but it makes a lot of sense. Also.
10:17.91
Casey
You have to you have to? that's one of those terrible things that an amateur like a new golfer could pick up and could be very very disastrous because that's something you have to intentionally do if you're just starting to like well I'm going to start because that that's a bad way to teach back. We're on the worst habits you can get as a young golfer is picking your head up or looking at the.
10:28.60
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well you got to be you got to be locked in like with your stroke and know you're going to hit it in the same place every time to not look at the hole and hit that Putt um can can we talk about the the shefler thing for.
10:38.45
Casey
Exactly Yeah, you have to put as much time in. Yeah.
10:45.52
dave_gerhardt
For a minute though like I agree with you that was great but don't you think someone has looked at that like like all yes like that's probably not the issue like I'm sure kissner like this is the thing about golf. There's usually multiple. There's multiple things that could be right or wrong and so.
10:50.55
Casey
What do you mean like someone tried to correct that.
11:04.97
dave_gerhardt
It just seemed it seemed absurd to me. Maybe it's true I'm not knocking kissner at all like Kev if you're listening to this podcast but like all everyone's talked about for the last six six months is Scotty's Putting he has a putting coach. he he obviously he's the best player in the world. he's he's clearly he's changing putters. He's working on something. You don't think that this that this guy would have noticed that and they would have worked on that like Kevin Kner sees it on Tv and they're going to go fix that that kind of was like I'm I'm sure he's looked at that.
11:30.45
Casey
I I don't know if he said I don't know if someone brought that up on the broadcast and he had this response or if I saw him on a podcast or an interview somewhere else since and someone brought that exact point up to him saying like don't you think someone's pointing that out to him and I think his response was ah anyone can point on something to. Someone. But if you're not listening to the advice so we kind of inferred that maybe Scotty's not just like it's not as intent like maybe it's he's he just feels comfortable doing that if you're where I saw but it was that exact point. But yeah, you would think that it's.
11:52.95
dave_gerhardt
Well.
11:58.88
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, or it could be. It could be that subconscious thing that takes over when you're on the course and you don't even know that that's happening right? like alignment can get so out of whack.
12:09.39
Casey
Yeah, and especially like putting is so much different than every other part of golf but he does everything else. So well that it's hard to probably be like I'm not um, you know like when you're in a rhythm. He's always striping the ball. But then when you get to the green. You probably just result back to the same. Habits that you've had because those habits are the ones that when're in the course or why you're succeeding so much so I don't know it's the the all the stats that people have been talking about in the last few weeks about just how bad is putting is but really how good every other part of his game. It's just crazy. I'm sure you've seen all that stuff.
12:45.20
dave_gerhardt
Um, then that then last week um last week was a Sony watched a little bit watched a little bit that I caught the playoff at the end. Um I love watching golf this time of year I don't I don't know much about Grace and murray do you know? any? do you know, anything about him.
12:59.73
Casey
No I just know we've got back to back recovering alcoholic champions on the tour Chris Kirk and and him.
13:05.93
dave_gerhardt
Trend and that that is true. Ah I think ki kirs kirk it's been like almost a decade and grace and Murray it's been. It's been a new thing I will say love I love watching Chris Kirk hit the ball hit just get up there and absolutely just sling a draw.
13:14.37
Casey
Um, yeah, nine months I think
13:20.51
Casey
I know.
13:22.54
dave_gerhardt
It's weird because a draw. It's okay if you get up there and you sling a huge draw. It's okay, if you so move it the other way. Everyone's like whoa whoa. That's a slice you're never going to. You're never going to survive that way.
13:32.14
Casey
Yeah, yeah, the delicate balance. Let's let's put ah, ah, let's put a bow in our ah pin in that for um Chris Kirk at Augusta and we'll see that's that's a place you got to hit a lot of a lot of cuts that's see how he fares there and then there are a lot of draw shots there too. But. That course the century set up so perfectly for him just to go back on and Chris Car for a second I I want to like remind myself of a course I know that requires a lot of tight draw shots like let's see how he does I mean sorry cut shots. Yeah.
13:58.59
dave_gerhardt
All right? yeah does does kind of seem like you can just stand up there and just absolutely so sling 1 um, any guess at how much Chris Kirk has made playing golf.
14:08.42
Casey
No god this is a longevity thing I'm going to say probably 22000000 oh I almost said 21
14:16.61
dave_gerhardt
Wow dude very very good 21.7 I mean that's that's what's crazy about this game that I don't think a lot of people understand this guy's won 6 times. He's made $21000000 playing golf. It's.
14:30.15
Casey
It also makes sense why so many of the guys from like the 80 s and 90 s are speak so like poorly of the game now they're just so mad. There's a lot of on the Nba too like.
14:35.91
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, they's so mad is like this guy won you know I don't I don't know an actual name but like you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me just let me just um, give me a name give me a name here. Okay, ah.
14:43.59
Casey
Barkley and those guys have a lot of angst for the guys now that are making ah more money they ever made. But.
14:53.42
Casey
Um, oh like a 90 s guy.
14:53.84
dave_gerhardt
It's a good one for you Lee Trevino Lee Trevino career earnings One point three million dollars swear 322 events
14:58.16
Casey
Oh my no way What? how how long was the the career. Wow I bet he made more on the on the senior tour than he made.
15:10.32
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, good then there's another article to he has a net worth of of 50000000 and then there's another okay Lee Trivino 9 what what?
15:17.95
Casey
Um, and it also makes sense Why why? um gary player is like a walking billboard.
15:23.85
dave_gerhardt
Why gary player hates any diversity and and women and anything that's going to impact. He's a Px G guy all right? So so oh yeah, hold on I didn't.
15:26.79
Casey
And his son is hawking shit left and right? yeah. Speaking of which hey you did you didn't come in on my new poster in the background here I went on an ebay buying spray. Okay god no that is that you made me do a double take that's Tom Kite oh yeah
15:40.77
dave_gerhardt
I didn't come in there. Yeah is that Tom Watson who is that that's Tom Kite aren't they the same person aren't they the same.
15:50.20
Casey
You know, recognize those those coke bottle glasses I bought this on ebay was like seventeen bucks it said autographs I was like yeah right I I can't tell it's sign but I can't tell if it's like part of the print or if it's if it's a sharpie or not from like 1982
16:06.50
dave_gerhardt
Um, and I see I see ah Alan Shipnock's book Phil did you read it or did you just take it from your dad's like library and put it in your office.
16:13.60
Casey
It's just a background thing right now I I had intentions I brought it on my ah vacation but shocking I didn't find a lot of downtime to read.
16:21.84
dave_gerhardt
So I want to talk to you about that because I read I read that I read that book as I've talked about and then I went right into his next book which came out this fall which is about live and I feel like at first I was like oh I've heard enough about live I'm not sure I'm going to read this book I Just got it I like to read something before I go to bed.
16:29.45
Casey
Yeah.
16:40.16
dave_gerhardt
I'm I'm like 10 pages into this book I sent you a screenshot the other day so we don't need to spend a lot of time on this but I need to say this to right in the beginning of the book. There's a story about a couple of anonymous tour pros go a couple of years ago to go play in this saudi. You know in a saudi invitational or whatever that is they or maybe it was at the centurion some some other some other european tour world tour event side note do you know what dp world tour means.
17:12.92
Casey
I was Impromptu Title Sponsor challenge I I don't dupont now I don't know. Yeah.
17:16.68
dave_gerhardt
You don't right I didn't know either I didn't know either I thought dp world tour meant like world tour and like dp was something right? Dp world is the name of the company and it is like this. It's the Saudi company and it's the biggest company in the world.
17:35.97
Casey
Ah, well that makes a whole lot of sense whether in Dubai every few weeks.
17:36.29
dave_gerhardt
Um, so dp world is an Emiratti Multinational Logistics Company based in Dubai it specializes is in cargo logistics port terminal operations maritime services in free trade zones based it was the european tour couple years ago they bought they.
17:47.80
Casey
And this was just a European European tour correct this.
17:54.68
dave_gerhardt
They own they bought the naming rights they do there. They do ten and a half billion dollars in revenue each year and they have 101000 employees so I'm just like whoa. There's so many deeper threads here I just thought it was like it's the world tour but dp it's so I didn't know that.
18:08.47
Casey
And that and like tracing saudi ties too like that's why Rory Rory always plays in those saudi events which is another hilarious element to the whole saga. Because they I think they gave him his first sponsor exemption when he was like I don't know 16 or something so he's always had I think he even said he lived in Dubai for like four or five years Roy so makes sense. Go ahead.
18:26.37
dave_gerhardt
Insane. Okay, there's so many things and then the top 5 revenue companies in the world are number 1 Walmart number 2 Amazon number 3 Saudi Aramco
18:41.29
Casey
Um.
18:42.10
dave_gerhardt
Do you know who run. Do you know? who's the chairman of Saudi Aramco no it's this guy? Yeah yeah, yasser who's on Tv with Jay Monahan so this is nuts. This is this goes even this is so nuts. It's not just.
18:43.97
Casey
Is it Prince been solomon whatever is name is oh yeah, yeah, that's right? yes yes yes c yes yes yes I'm technically right? But yes, you're correct he is on the um title head as as the Ceo.
19:00.85
dave_gerhardt
Okay, so so the guy owns the cup. So so the prince the prince owns the company but yasser's like on the on the board which is nuts. So this guy just I love them. Can't get enough. Um, you know like Phil said they're scary motherfuckers but I can't get enough.
19:03.56
Casey
Right? I know he's calling all the shots. Yes, yes, ah you're you're sneaky becoming a yas or fanboy I can tell yeah we come on the pod. Yes, sir.
19:18.74
dave_gerhardt
Um, so so this guy he just loves golf. That's it loves golf and they're like hm which thing should we go and buy and it happens to be the pj tour anyway, my story is they're on his yacht these anonymous pj tour players are on his yacht and these 2 guys start talk.
19:21.94
Casey
Yeah.
19:29.49
Casey
Um, yeah, but.
19:34.60
Casey
Grace and Murray and some other guys. Yeah, good.
19:38.42
dave_gerhardt
And bu up and they start talking about they start talking about something start talking about Russia or something like that. Yeah in the book. Alan Chipnik says Yasser looks at a guy that he looks at 1 of his guys. He nods at him. The guy comes over yasser hands him his 2 cell phones. And he puts them next to a speaker and he says to the pj tor player. He goes. My people are always listening even to me ha how and then and then and then they and then they said that the pj tor player offered up his cell phone for me osser and he laughed at me says ha. Well we don't care about that. So anyway.
20:10.65
Casey
Yeah, that's malars.
20:14.65
dave_gerhardt
That's just like so reading this book I'm like Wow this thing is goes so so much bigger than golf. It's like truly people that are running the world are now getting into golf and and that anyway you should go read it if you're listening and you haven't read it yet. It's just yeah.
20:29.40
Casey
Ah, crazy Why people might be apprehensive to get into bed fully with those people who murdered a journalist anyone go ahead.
20:33.25
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, no literally and and anyway so it's it's it's nuts. So um I I think you should if you can sometime for your night ol make the time read that fill book for ten ten ten minutes a day it it would it would make you happy. Um.
20:46.21
Casey
Yeah, you think that's the right order to I know like I feel like the live book would really be more interesting to me right now. But and the Phil stuff might be more evergreen but there's no order to the 2 right? There's no like.
20:52.47
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, no, you could read you could you could read the live. You could read the live book now there's no order to the 2 He just he knew and he spent the first the first chapter of the book spoiler alert.
21:03.45
Casey
The story arc.
21:07.96
dave_gerhardt
Um, this whole thing that's happening right now with like blowing up the pj tour has already happened. Did you know that in 19601968 Greg Norman tried to tried to do it? Yeah oh no, no, no so Norman tried to do it later than that. But in 19 in 1968
21:11.92
Casey
What do you mean? Oh yeah back I nor Greg Norman tried to do it. This is people don't realize this is a second round at this? yeah. Oh. There's it for.
21:27.78
dave_gerhardt
There was all of the the Pga of America the the Pga ran golf and all those guys were like wait this is bullshit Jack Nicholas arnold palmer they're not getting paid enough. We don't own it. So it's it's kind of like history keeps repeating itself now just the saudis. Yes.
21:29.19
Casey
Right? right.
21:36.00
Casey
Um, that's the tour that was a creation of the tour right? right? Yeah, so yeah, no saudis involved in those I think.
21:43.37
dave_gerhardt
That's how exactly so it was just called the pga and then the pj tour was created no then Greg Norman came and there was a he had some big. He did some big pitch meeting. And basically arnold palm like he gathered all these guys. He he had all these he had these you know printouts presentations to show everybody and he was um, making this big pitch to all the players honor palmer basically stood up and like poo-pooed it and. They all walked out of the room and Norman was just furious and embarrassed and that's kind of what has led to this vendetta today.
22:18.40
Casey
It's kind of that Trump story arc right? Seth Myers roasted him at that like correspondence dinner and then he was like oh yeah I'll show you like oh be careful what you wish for? Um, yeah, he he wanted to be paid I was and say Greg Norman wanted to be paid in motorcycles only and they were like the palmer was like this is fucking ridiculous. No.
22:25.47
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts Anyway, that's that's that's what I've been. That's.
22:34.93
dave_gerhardt
Ah, but it's a perfect fit for to live. Um, so that's what I've been reading and consuming the other thing I want to talk you about what was your reaction to Tiger and barstool and for play. Oh yeah, let's talk about Let's talk about that.
22:36.40
Casey
Um, out of here.
22:48.17
Casey
Or and tiger in general with no nike um yeah, what you want to go with the Nike thing. First yeah I don't I'm just more interested than anything I think it's.
22:54.95
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, talk about Nike what's your I don't have an opinion or reaction to that I'm sure you do.
23:06.15
Casey
You know, like most things I'm nostalgic and I want things to be the way they are. That's why I want the tour to be the tour I don't want there to be a new live like I I grew up on Nike red Sunday tiger and that's kind of who he is to me I still think someone made a good point the other day that he owns the tiger woods logo so that might not be going anywhere.
23:24.43
dave_gerhardt
Um, interesting. He could just start. He could just basically have Tw brand stuff.
23:25.60
Casey
So he could still. You might not even notice that he's really left Nike yeah and there's a lot of rumors that ah taylormaid's working on some kind of new line or I don't know if you saw that those rumors where the. Been posting job things for some new consumer brand under the golf division.
23:42.10
dave_gerhardt
I didn't but I did I went I went down this hole the other day because I'm like wait a second. It wasn't the big thing taylororm made in Adidas and all these guys are now all these Nike all these guys are wearing Nike and other stuff in tailormade shoots and I guess a private equity company like bot. Tailormade from Adidas or Adidas from what? ah they they split up a couple years ago so
24:02.17
Casey
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'd be interested to see where he goes I think in that Nike post where that was one of the stranger pr moves I've ever seen were him and and Nike they neither of them said that they were breaking up. It was just kind of like.
24:12.69
dave_gerhardt
It's so vague is it The vaguest message ever like.
24:20.76
Casey
Great run. He was like it's an awesome. No I don't know maybe I don't think so I know we mentioned like Phil Knight and innovation and stuff of that I don't know if he did exactly. But yeah, he he mentioned something there saying like excited. What's next see you in l a which his.
24:21.64
dave_gerhardt
Um, but didn't he even did he not even he didn't even mention the word nike in that post did he.
24:40.24
Casey
Tournament is Rivera Riverviera would just one is that in February or or March um, so maybe that's when he's going to be unveiling. Whatever, whatever's next for him. But ah yeah I'm sure this had been. You know these these contracts are so long I'm sure this is.
24:41.41
dave_gerhardt
Um, rivier. Yeah, um, oh he did say Nike yeah.
24:59.14
Casey
They've known about this for a couple of years and it makes the whole foot joy thing make sense the last few years or he's been saying I know he has he does have orthopedic needs now that he didn't used to have but he kind of seemed like he was sticking it to them like how could Nike not come up with a shoe that works for tiger woods you know and his new his new walking gate. So.
25:13.37
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:18.21
Casey
I'm sure this has been in the works for a few years but um, kind of sad end of the narrow. But I think it was probably I saw something Phil Knight had said recently where Nike golf had never made money or it hadn't made money in the last 10 years. It was kind of a loser for them. They had already started getting out of the equipment game. Um. And I think the the idea now is they'll probably go to mostly Jordan stuff you see that with scottie schfler is wearing a lot of Jordan brand stuff. So maybe that's where the new gulf market is for them is kind of a younger more urban look I don't know what do you think who who better.
25:49.16
dave_gerhardt
And Scar and Scottie schifler is the face of scottish who better than than does scottie scher it to go with a younger more Urban look.
25:58.23
Casey
Golfs Golf's bad boy hits the shit of the Bob but he can putt.
26:02.20
dave_gerhardt
I've never had I think like for for how some of the guys dress on tourra I've never had a problem with Nike guy. It's just like simple. It's plain. It's simple. It's not It's not like you know in your face design standpoint I got to tell you I can't. Like Jason like there's going to be this new trend of these new guys signing with you know up and coming brands like these Instagram brands and I have no I don't have a beef with Mal Malvin I've never worn mal but man that's just not for me this malbin malbon.
26:22.11
Casey
Yeah. Mal is it Melbourne mallbon.
26:32.66
dave_gerhardt
This like Street Street War Street Culture blend in golf and it has nothing to do with I'm not an up E golf guy like I Just some of the clothes that it just looks ridiculous and I don't know that's like this new wave. That's like this new wave that's happening now with with golf and so case I think if you.
26:48.43
Casey
Um, well it makes sense like covid they say was like 1 of the bigger things for golf expanding the game writing bringing new people into it. Um, so now they're just trying to appeal to wider audiences and golf's getting younger and younger so it kind of makes sense why they're doing it to your point. It. I mean those pants are horrific. But I said to you what if tiger went to malburn and he wears the red Jason day's pajama pants on Sundays now.
27:11.36
dave_gerhardt
And and then like just it just doesn't make any sense to me and then Jason day is also so his new sponsors are are malbon malbin and dewalt like the tool company.
27:27.29
Casey
Ah, yeah, that is one of the stranger combinations and lululemon. It's like nothing.
27:31.27
dave_gerhardt
So look I Love sponsors I'm I'm about I'm about getting paid I Love sponsors I'm no show I'm not I'm not I'm not ashamed, but like I mean come on, you got to have like let's let's get some like coheat. Let's get some good brent. Let's let's figure this out this guy you said? yes.
27:44.47
Casey
Wait did I see that your boy Patrick can't lay is a du walt guy now is with doesn't have the dowd hat now I was like what happened to the goal. Ah again these the wal.
27:49.54
dave_gerhardt
Goldman Sachs and Dewalt I dont know I don't know if it's on his hat. He's he's been a dewalt. He's been a dewalt guy Patrick can't lay Dewalt I think he gets a bad rap project Pat he's going to win a major this year fy ah now his hat his.
28:03.85
Casey
Um, maybe.
28:08.20
dave_gerhardt
His had is Goldman's ax on the front the wall the wall on the side. Yeah yeah, now you were concerned him in a Joey.
28:10.71
Casey
Oh is it a new Goldman side hat the saset hat though I thought it the he play it with the century. Um I thought it was a different looking hat I was I was concerned but now he's he's still there.
28:24.75
Casey
Walt making a move into golf I'd love to know the reasoning behind that grow the game and into carpentry I bet hey I have I have a buddy that works in this world and and and um negotiates that exact thing.
28:27.31
dave_gerhardt
I Don't know I don't know I love it I Love it I Wish I wish I had a big enough brand I wish I had a big enough brand where we could sponsor pga Tor Bj torp.
28:44.57
Casey
Be great to have mon. It may not be as far away as you think on some guys like a dave yourhart on the on the on the you know or DG whatever like exactly.
28:47.21
dave_gerhardt
What what might not be far away. Oh yeah, like who could I get who can I get like let's let's have this. Let's have your boy come on who can I get for like 50 grand for the year I'd sign up for that.
29:03.17
Casey
Um, oh I think you would get a lot of guys for that.
29:05.60
dave_gerhardt
That could be like the viral play like can you can you be my agent on this. Let's make this happen. Let's let's make a list for the pod. Do it for the pod. It's just so fascinating. Yeah.
29:08.90
Casey
Okay, okay, yeah, well I'll talk to my guy. We'll see what we can do. But I think I think it's because there's so many different places to advertise on on like either the bag. The bag is expensive I think but like on the shirt especially or.
29:23.75
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I watched this um I watched this amazing video last year on this fire fire pick collective which is like a golf. They do a podcast Youtube channel it's Alan Shipnuck and those guys. Um.
29:26.68
Casey
It's It's a fascinating world.
29:32.56
Casey
Yeah, they're great.
29:38.48
dave_gerhardt
Was there followed this guy Mark his guys. This guy's name was Mark Baldwin and he was grinding like Monday qualifying trying to make the tour and he had he had been ah he had you know had a cup of coffee on the tour long story short he Monday qualifies he gets into an event and his agent or whoever he didn't even have an agent all of a sudden they're like hey. Ah, this bank some bank wants to pay wants to give you like a 20 grand line to credit if you wear their hat for the week and him and his wife were like kind of bummed about it because they wanted cash but they were like okay, it's better than nothing and so he wore the hat and it's just like stories like that I'm fascinated by oh no.
30:12.96
Casey
Um, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that.
30:16.70
dave_gerhardt
It wasn't even that it wasn't it was like mg I think it was like mgm and he he got like 4 nights free and like a $15000 like you know, ah payment that he could use at mgm casino or something.
30:28.52
Casey
Um, you know it's funny I I was it was on um, over the break I was watching the pj championship and they were showing a bunch of the different Michael block things but he was he did the walk and talk with Scott Vanelt I think it was either Thursday or Friday during the day.
30:38.73
dave_gerhardt
Ah.
30:45.55
Casey
And then they showed the one he did with Jim Nantz on Sunday and just like he had like all this new kind of sponsorship stuff between the two days and I was fascinated by that like who made who got the call Friday night exactly and then who's like they got to have an embroidery guy on staff that's like we got to get.
30:55.80
dave_gerhardt
What what transpired overnight Totally totally.
31:04.58
Casey
This patch to this you know I'm sure when I used to work a a tour event. There were these just like rows and rows of trailers that were you know the tailor made you know, whatever all the different adjustment stuff by the practice. But I'm sure they have like ones that are just like screen printing or I don't know in paridery. Ah, be good of a fun video to see like all the behind what happens when so and so goes to stardom overnight had new sponsors and by Saturday morning needs like all new gear with stuff fascinating.
31:22.50
dave_gerhardt
That's.
31:33.26
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, and like look where's where's blocky staying and like who got that to him and how do they know his size All that stuff is great. You mentioned um, you used to work at this tournament and it made me think I meant to say. You know who won the Deutsche Bank in 2014 your boy Chris Kirk were you were were you working at that were you there at that point.
31:48.20
Casey
He did I think I was I think that might have been the last I think I did like maybe 2011 through 14 Rory won one year. Um, and I stupidly asked a question at this press conference which was fine but like.
31:58.10
dave_gerhardt
All right.
32:03.93
Casey
My boss is after like that's not why you're here for I'm like okay I Love you loved that Love to have you come with the fun.
32:06.67
dave_gerhardt
Um, Roy in the future I'm going to have a podcast. Do you want to come on it. Oh ah, back to time back to back to tiger. So did you watch the what's your reaction to those the 4 play guys getting tiger did you watch the video.
32:19.19
Casey
Um I did I thought that video was was cool. Um.
32:20.72
dave_gerhardt
What was the best part of the video too or tell me about your reaction to the video.
32:28.21
Casey
Um, I think that I think I thought the coolest part was just the way he kind of interacted with them. But the I love when he asked for one ball when he went back to the cart. Did you see that he take one ball um
32:39.42
dave_gerhardt
And they showed they showed it. They showed it and the guy he's like he are he knew right away. He's such a. He's such a little Showman He's so arrogant like he was like he knew from that from the second he got there. He said I need I need a glove and he went and got one ball.
32:45.25
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
32:54.29
Casey
Yeah, but I Honestly the thing that I I made me laugh. The hardest was just um, the like the heart monitor thing I like I told you like the whoop like those guys because it's so relatable because like if you knew you were going to film something with Tiger Woods. You would be like. Like I think a lot of people would try to play that off too cool and it was pretty pretty honest of them to just be like this is one of the craziest things we've ever done. This is the the great white buffalo like this is our guy and it's honest.
33:22.56
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I mean it's now you know your brain your brain doesn't even like you can try to not be nervous, but just something in your brain whether you're playing with like if if you me andjao and Kyle Porter went go played and you don't think you'd be nervous on the first tee of course of course you would right? This is tiger woods.
33:40.46
Casey
Side question for you. Ah I was going to say just hitting a ball in front of him would have been. You know your hands would be shaking but my question you Well, what's the most people that's ever watched you hit a golf or consequential golf shop.
33:41.74
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, um, of course.
33:55.80
Casey
And that's that's like that's scary right.
33:55.93
dave_gerhardt
Um, like like 1110 ah yeah this ah this yeah I've never done anything meaningful but ah I played. Okay so I played yeah so so this.
34:03.77
Casey
No I mean no, but you said you've played in tournaments before I don't know if people come in.
34:11.41
dave_gerhardt
Um, there was. There's probably 2 one of them was like the first t box at the Vermont am this year there's just like that people weren't watching but there's like there was the the first t is right near 10 and the clubhouse is right there and a lot of people are going back and forth. Nobody's really paying attention. But.
34:24.68
Casey
Um, and it's serious right? yeah.
34:26.30
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's Syria it counts. It's real and they're like okay he must be these people must be decent if they're here decent enough and then the other one was um, my a buddy of mine up here. We played in this like they have a four ball event up in the fall and and we thought we had won it and we went into a playoff and a bunch of the other guys. Who like were sitting around waiting drinking. They decided to come out and watch the first couple playoff holes and that I was nervous I was like there's there's you know 8 degenerates drinking drinking beers. They really don't care who cares. But yeah, you're like I'm nervous I don't want to top it in front of these people so to your point this is tiger. I love that part of the video when the the beginning of the video when they go over and see tommy fleetwood and Tommy Tommy points out that tight. Oh. There's the red and black coming and they all start freaking out was was just great was so great.
35:12.67
Casey
Yeah I I had heard something they did a few months ago I think it was right after they filmed this and they they were talking about that they had something with tiger they couldn't talk about until whatever that date was gn or whatever but they did mention the tommy thing so I was watching for that but they said at some point it wasn't in the video but at some point they were like. You need to get the fuck out of here because they kind of know they know him but he was just fucking with them like they put in that part where he's like I see the red and block coming but he just was like trying to make them more nervous. They're like all right, you got to get them so imagine being so excited and nervous for something that you're like telling tommy fleet would like get get the fuck out of here.
35:43.94
dave_gerhardt
Ah, right right? Um Tiger Ah yes I did I don't It's not they're not my favorite content creators in the golf space. But I I do think you're right? It was very.
35:49.60
Casey
What do you think of it. You liked it.
35:59.89
dave_gerhardt
Authentic and endearing. It was tough to be mad at that. You know they were very like it was almost like cute right? like the way that they were so nervous and everything and and Frankie just you know ripping two five woods and tiger it kind of i.
36:10.41
Casey
And I'm glad they left the trend part in because that's very like authentic because that's what a lot of us would do is just rat but 5 balls out there and not be able to fix it and there wouldn't be a happy ending right? But that's yeah, yeah, and then you see the other guys like we get 10 minutes with him and we're wasting it on this.
36:22.22
dave_gerhardt
And he's like 1 more one more I'll do what why got to hit one more I gotta hit 1 more? Um, totally.
36:28.88
Casey
What would what would you do is ten fifteen minutes with him.
36:31.50
dave_gerhardt
I think that was right I was kind of curious and obviously these guys are good at content. They're smart I think if you only had 10 minutes with ty I think you only had 10 minutes with Tiger I think the idea of having each one and and because they play a lot of golf on their channel and in their content I think the idea and they're like not very good or they're trying to get better. The idea of having tiger like look at their swings and do 1 thing that was that was that was pretty pretty good. Do you do you have a better. You have a better idea I actually thought the better part was the they kind of did an impromptu interview with him at the end and he's a good storyteller but what? what? How would you have handled that what would you have done if you could if you could pitch it if you if you had you and me you me.
37:01.71
Casey
Um, yeah.
37:07.42
dave_gerhardt
You and me on the driving range with tyker we got 20 minutes what are you doing? Of course that's what this podcast is for.
37:08.69
Casey
And I honestly haven't thought about this till I just asked you so I have I mean I'm sure we could come up with something better but I was thinking like sometimes in those situations you try to get too much done and you get nothing done I would do like focus on 1 iconic thing like you know his.
37:26.38
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:26.57
Casey
Ah, or he hits the ah and with like a wedge the thing he kind of driples it to himself I Just like teach like I've so ever since I saw that video I like practiced that my whole life and I I know how to do it not like him but I would be like teach me how to do that or something or like tell me the origin behind that.
37:37.86
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:43.79
Casey
Him to tell a story that goes back to some his old days or something like that and like how about all those girls you were banging back in the day like now and that's not the it's not the route to go.
37:46.96
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, something like that is good or like some chip some that some yeah yeah, how good what was the brunch like at perkins. Um, that are like chipping chipping technique. There's this amazing like I Love the tailormade tailormade shoot where like he's like you know teach me how to.
37:57.49
Casey
Ah, ah yeah.
38:04.81
dave_gerhardt
Hit that like 56 runner I have 2 2 more things that I want to I would say say this it was I kind of was creeped out by tiger a little bit in that he was so he was acting that's not who he really he can't he can't be you have to act and I don't mean creeped out I just mean like. Imagine being that famous at that level like you have to basically flip and be in character and like this is bars. So these guys want to feel amazing. He can't be grumpy. He can't be snarky. He's got to be like hey you like he had a he almost had this like smile that he was acting on and. Hard part about that format was there wasn't actually enough time to like really give a lesson so he's like yeah, just just do that. You know it's like that's not that's not how you'd fix trent swing like if if you could um it was a robotic but it was great.
38:48.27
Casey
Yeah, yeah, no, you could tell it's a little robotic but and.
38:55.10
dave_gerhardt
Great Obviously like so absurd Tiger just to be a Showman gets down on his knees and he just had this look and he how good was that like he was so proud of himself that he that he did that.
39:03.35
Casey
Um, have I ever told you about the time I met him it was at the at the tournament the deutsch bank He used to used to be his tournament used to benefit his foundation and I used to work with his foundation that that ran the event.
39:07.65
dave_gerhardt
Um, no.
39:18.46
Casey
Um, there was about 5 or 6 women that ran it and he just walked into a and by meeting him. This is air quote I was in a room with about 4 or 5 people that worked for a men me and it was like he hadn't seen them in like maybe three or four months and he was so genuine like gay all hugs like was asking questions of how I was like. You know I just remember just watching him like this guy like is a this was a very like his face the way he just acted seemed different. He was like not and they were like oh this is Casey and he like gave me a nod and I nodded that was me meeting him but I just observing him was like this guy cares about these people that work for him and.
39:44.90
dave_gerhardt
Yes.
39:55.49
Casey
Knew their stories and stuff but it was a completely different version like that like even that's supposed to be like relaxed tiger. You know it's not like him.
40:01.38
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, well just because you you know you see the it's ah just a wild juxtaposition of like the super competitive guy who's so laser focuseds and then being that person. It's tough. It must be tough to be those 2 characters. Um, last thing on the on the.
40:13.72
Casey
Um, yeah.
40:19.71
dave_gerhardt
Thing on the actually as a just a marketing person or creator of some kind what really and I just love watching the golf stuff on Youtube. What really stood out to me was I'm fascinated in how they do those tailor-made shoots because so. If you go to Youtube on Tailormade Golf channel they have like all these videos of like tiger chipping with Scotty right? All the guys doing stuff and they all dress up. You've seen the things where they dress up and they do the you know, funny videos and they hit hit through glass.
40:45.77
Casey
Yeah.
40:49.31
dave_gerhardt
I'm wild. It's wild to me that they like tailorm ma if you're on a tailormade staff. They they film for one day and all day they get these like 10 minute segments like and that becomes the Youtube video that or they chop up like 20 videos from that one day and that becomes their year's worth of content. But in reality.
40:55.99
Casey
Yeah.
41:06.80
dave_gerhardt
You see tiger and tommy fleetwood were like over there hitting some like punch shot out of the woods for like 5 minutes right and that's going to be some like you know million view tailormade golf video that was just wild to see like the procession of that.
41:10.72
Casey
Um, right.
41:17.92
Casey
Yeah, and where was that.
41:21.66
dave_gerhardt
I They have some place. It's called like the kingdom I think I don't I don't actually know I would assume that I would assume that that's where all that stuff takes place.
41:27.10
Casey
That's where that was I couldn't tell it looked a little bit but little it looks a little pinehursty but it it probably wasn't there I didn't know if they were down there for like a practice session since the us opens there. But um I the 4 play guys talk about this a little bit. And that's how they got him because in their contract they get him for like they could tiger for 6 hours a year and it's like that day so they carved out like ten fifteen minutes for them and.
41:51.10
dave_gerhardt
6 tailor made one of the biggest golf brands in the world. They get this guy first. He's like I'll give you 6 hours
41:58.61
Casey
Yeah, all right? That's what I think they just threw that out there I don't know how accurate it is but that it's something like that where they so you're right? They do like the scottie chefs are like the no divit video like they're doing all that stuff in one day I'm sure they're getting more cowwa more than that. But um. It's pretty cool and it's probably very easy to get everyone down there in one day when they say all right? Tiger what day can you make it and he's like this is the day and then they go to every other pro. They're like this is the day Tiger's coming if you want to do videos with Tiger you better show up? yeah.
42:23.90
dave_gerhardt
That's so true. The the logistics of like yeah like the marketing team at taylorm made figuring out like which day are we going to do that. They they pay this guy $40000000 you know they they they pay him 8 to $10000000 a year and he's like yeah I'm going I'll give you 6 hours
42:39.30
Casey
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it is It is you want to go into some picks for the week because I get a lot on on this tournament and um.
42:40.60
dave_gerhardt
That's the kind of leverage. You want all right? What else? What? Ah, what do you want to talk about before we wrap up anything else.
42:48.97
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about this week go ahead
42:53.30
Casey
And and maybe even before we do we we skipped over it really quickly. But the title sponsor challenge. We missed a few weeks. You know what the century or what century does yeah me too. But.
43:01.54
dave_gerhardt
I Do now because I watched a lot of it I thought they were like some type of software company like a cyber security software company. They're an insurance company which is lame. Yeah, it's a Japanese burger chain.
43:11.55
Casey
Exactly and Sony you're good on. We don't have to cover that one. Yep they may ah they make cassette players. Um, and then.
43:21.17
dave_gerhardt
They do they? Ah, they actually actually I bought a I went down another hole I bought a I spent ninety nine bucks on ebay and I bought a playstation one. Yes I I don't know how this happened my son is 4 and he.
43:28.65
Casey
Really why? So you you bought a 64 like six months ago
43:38.26
dave_gerhardt
Started asking. Maybe I showed him one time but I showed him crash bandicoot. Yeah I showed him like a Youtube video of crash bandicoot and I was like because he wanted to know like other games I played when I was a kid and I was like I just so I don't know why he said love his game crash bandicoot and he all he talked about for two months was crash bandicoot. So i.
43:41.67
Casey
Real just like a video.
43:57.88
dave_gerhardt
Um, so I gave in and I got I spent ninety nine bucks on e I spent like forty bucks in the game and ninety nine bucks I have a playstation 1 in crash bandicoo so shout out to Sony yes I wanted the I wanted the experiences I'm like I don't I also could have gotten it like on something newer like a Nintendo switch. But i'm.
44:04.78
Casey
Um, you know you can get that stuff on your computer for free. Okay.
44:15.80
dave_gerhardt
I'm not ready to go full bore on like the video game addiction with them. So I figured like getting a older system would kind of like would kind of be a middle ground and it's It's been good so far I know this is this is very weird I run without headphones.
44:25.56
Casey
And real quick. Ah you don't strike me as a crash bandicoot guy I feel like you I you would strike me as like a sports only kind of guy. Yeah, that's a sport right.
44:34.99
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I don't know I don't know ah Tony Hawk Tony Hawk was a big one I don't I have no idea how I got into crash Banicoo but it's so fun and I played it all weekend with him. It's very fun.
44:46.44
Casey
Well so that you're on pace to get to like game cube by what next August that will be awesome. So this week the tour is going to the they're going to Lakinta California or as my wife would say laquinta ah, for.
44:51.77
dave_gerhardt
Ah, a hundred percent hundred percent
45:01.11
dave_gerhardt
Laguinta.
45:03.40
Casey
Um, the american express which is a really cool tournament I think this is still the case. It's one of the only tournaments that play multiple courses. Um, they play 3 so they play there's 3 different there's the pete die stadium course. There's the Lakinta country club and there's the Nicholas tournament course.
45:12.90
dave_gerhardt
Um, the interesting.
45:22.42
Casey
And you play all you play. Ah Thursday Friday Saturday a different one and then I believe um, the championship 1 is at Nicholas on Sunday but I'll have to double check that but kind of cool. This is also the tournament where John Rom I think he won last year but a few years ago he was.
45:32.29
dave_gerhardt
Okay.
45:40.97
Casey
Mumbling as he went off the course like god damn fucking putting contest. You remember that viral clip. Um I've actually played this course multiple times I've I've the Nicholas course excuse me I've played multiple times.
45:43.21
dave_gerhardt
Oh that's right I do remember that? yeah.
45:52.34
dave_gerhardt
Which which is the one. The only one I know is because they show it every year that has a humongous bunker on sixteen like they they show this what they show this on Instagram all the time it was just was on pj to our Instagram.
46:05.20
Casey
If it would be like the I think it would be This is great. We did. We did some great prep here. Um yeah I think well all those courses have like a ton of ah bunkers. Um, but yeah I think that might be the stadium course.
46:10.46
dave_gerhardt
It's an eighteenth and that's okay, that's what we're here for.
46:20.44
dave_gerhardt
Alright, okay.
46:22.83
Casey
Um, but it's it's a it's a cool course. Um, it's another one that always challenges for like the low I think last year was like 28 under wanted or something like that 1 of the they're going to set a scoring record again, but um, have you ever played golf in the desert out there or anywhere. In even like Arizona this is Palm Springs California but.
46:41.76
dave_gerhardt
No I've just I've played I've yeah I've played I played a desert golf in Vegas but that was the close closest that I've gotten really to it ah looks cool. Not that fun for me just because like you're either in the fairway or you're not.
46:45.75
Casey
And what do you Think. Why not fun.
46:56.95
dave_gerhardt
You're not in play like if you hit in the desert at all, you're you're behind a rock or a cactus or or whatever.
47:02.34
Casey
It's interesting. So I've played. Ah we had some family out in this area in the palm desert area my whole life so we would go out there every year on vacation. So I probably when I was like. By the time I was fourteen years old like half the rounds I'd ever played were out in the desert we pay I play like 2 or 3 times a year at home and I play 2 or 3 times when we're out there. Um, actually like if I think I've shot like in the 70 s 10 times in my life and if I have that I've shot like 5 or 6 of them in the desert for some reason i.
47:19.84
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
47:34.11
Casey
Think it has something to do with the there's no force lining the fairways that swallow my balls and I'm hitting threes off the tee if I can find it I'm okay, yeah exactly I can go hit it out of like a snake Bush boy out in the desert. But.
47:38.85
dave_gerhardt
Um, it lets you like you're okay with you're okay, with ah with spread you you can spray it? yeah.
47:49.67
Casey
I don't know what it is I it kind of fits my my style more out there. So I I love it. But um, it's it's cool to see I think any kind of those desert golf stuff you you end up seeing all of the the summer these lush green courses of Florida as they work their way up the coast. The tordas.
48:05.66
dave_gerhardt
And this is the this is the beginning of the west coast swing. So it's like golf is starting to get get good and real right? We have Tory we have Tory pines next week we got the pebble beach and then we're you know we're we're getting into some good golf now. Yeah.
48:07.36
Casey
During the summer I like this time of year. Yeah.
48:16.50
Casey
And then yet the waste management will be within the next month or so right, it's usually super bowl weekend and that's it's a very similar course or style of course Tpc Sawgrass and the stuff you see out in um, pj west but it's a really cool tournament every year it will be on later which is we love that.
48:23.82
dave_gerhardt
That's right? yeah.
48:36.12
Casey
We love those tournaments that finish you know seven o'clock on the Sunday night versus Seth you get to watch the middle of the day. Um, do you have any any recollection of of this tournament or I think it's had some different changes over the years but this is one I think I think Duvall won this one with the like 59
48:42.81
dave_gerhardt
Yep.
48:54.37
Casey
But the eagle on 18 one year, there's been some crazy finishes over the years
48:57.93
dave_gerhardt
No I have not I have none. no no recollection although it says 22 of the top 50 in the owg are playing this week so the field seems like a good field I'm trying to find my way to a list of ah players based on world ranking. So I can make pics with you live on.
49:05.24
Casey
Yeah.
49:13.20
dave_gerhardt
On the spot right now.
49:14.65
Casey
Um, you know it's the best way to do it. pjtor.com go to ah leaderboard and then oh no, sorry go to field and then just click owgr I think you taught me that a few weeks ago and I'm reteaching it to you but you get scottie you get Xander.
49:19.92
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
49:26.38
dave_gerhardt
All right I can do that unbelievable ah here we go here. We go? Yeah but I can't pick I can't pick any of those guys though. Yeah, what's it? Yeah, what's our cutoff One fifty
49:31.42
Casey
Yeah, your boy Patrick can't lay Wndham clark Tom Kim no no I'm saying the field is pretty strong this year for for one of these types of tournaments. It is so if we want we haven't done our picks ah this year so we'll refresh it. We have a season long.
49:43.45
dave_gerhardt
Okay, okay.
49:50.28
Casey
Tournament going where we go by money list. We each pick 3 guys outside the top one fifty for each tournament. We'll do a kind of a snake draft at the end of the year who has the most money on the leaderboard is the winner and the loser has to caddy for the other person in a tournament or or just a round or something. Um, so.
50:06.10
dave_gerhardt
Love that.
50:09.80
Casey
I'll give you the first pick here for the American Express go for it. You've had a lot of time to prepare I know you're gonna pick you on them number one fifty right on the line. Yeah cails right.
50:10.94
dave_gerhardt
Okay, bring it bring it I'm good.
50:21.52
dave_gerhardt
Ah, is camilo right there he is no I don't um I'm not I don't want him. You can have him I have the first pick. Okay I my the first pick fresh from the booth.
50:26.74
Casey
Now you get the first pick god.
50:33.90
dave_gerhardt
Onto the course your man my man he's ranked number two forty seven in the world. Kevin Kisner
50:36.93
Casey
Wow I like that he did not play Well the other day.
50:43.13
dave_gerhardt
No, he did not he did not but ah, why not you know, let's he just needed some reps he needed some reps I like I like kids this week
50:48.65
Casey
I think I forget where I saw it he was on maybe Smiley Kaufman's podcast or something this week he was talking about someone saying like do you would you do this more full time and he's like well they got to show me the money more so meaning like he's got. It's got to be worth more to him to be in the booth than it is to play. But I wonder if that.
51:03.72
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
51:07.73
Casey
Moment comes more you know sooner than he might think I love watching him play but um, he was so good in the booth. He's going to be in the booth for the waste management which is going to have like 1 of the bigger ratings. So be interesting to see if like he really blows up there. You could have like a Tony Romo situation where.
51:15.26
dave_gerhardt
Right.
51:22.42
dave_gerhardt
Well, it seems like they're both trying to like hedge a little bit right? They like the reaction's been good but they don't have him full time. They don't know who it's going to be so great. Make your pick.
51:32.21
Casey
No, but all they need is one of the other networks to to say hey you want to come work for us and then all of a sudden to be a bidding war. Um, all right I'm gonna go 2 and row here because we're doing the snake draft I'm gonna go with a Netflix full swing favorite Joel Doman I think you played pretty well last week
51:36.81
dave_gerhardt
True, All right make your picture. Okay.
51:48.21
dave_gerhardt
Um.
51:49.29
Casey
Um, and I'm also going to take Gareth Higggo who I believe I won with or came close to winning with earlier this year ah and he tied for eleventh last week sorry last year same tournament. So I get dallman and higo and you get to in earlier.
51:50.57
dave_gerhardt
Wow.
52:03.62
dave_gerhardt
All right I like that. Oh okay, fine I'm gonna do I have back to back now. Do I get to snake it. Okay I'm gonna go with um Mr. One fifty Cammilo he's there. He's right at 51 how could I not. It's fine and then um I got another guy that I like ah.
52:07.28
Casey
Um, you do.
52:15.60
Casey
Um, and he's been playing. Well.
52:19.69
dave_gerhardt
I like Ryan Palmer 93 this week. Sorry man.
52:22.50
Casey
Ah, he was on my list Ryan Palmer if I put Ryan Palmer in a room and Ryan Moore in a room. Could you tell me who is who.
52:29.96
dave_gerhardt
Um I wouldn't be able to tell you either of them I ah, you know as evanla to me thinking that that was Tom Watson who won the 1992 us open behind you. So.
52:37.14
Casey
Yeah, um I was going to gift this to you but I guess I'm not going to anymore since you don't know who it is Tom Kite um all right? So my last pick I don't know who this guy is I have a little bit of lead of a lead in this so I'm going to get fancy here. Maybe let you back in.
52:44.00
dave_gerhardt
Okay.
52:52.85
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, by the way you got it. You got to unlock this. You gotta unlock I'm I'm like locked out of our pool you got got to fix that so I get these all right? Let me back in. Okay.
52:54.75
Casey
But I saw this I think it's because we didn't make a pick for like two weeks they thought we we stopped doing it but well I've I've got a spreadsheet. Don't worry. Um. I don't only think I know about this guy's his name I've seen it on the leaderboard a few times last few weeks and it's been way down the list but I'm just going with it because there's nobody in the world who's in more dire need of of a nickname and maybe we can help him with it. But it's Adrian Dumont D Shashart
53:23.42
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh I love him is he yeah is he from France see me chinatown smart Steve from France I love him.
53:24.85
Casey
You know who that is ah sounds like it. It doesn't sound like he's from Missouri um, how do you know him.
53:38.20
dave_gerhardt
I don't know probably follows me on Twitter or something like that I don't know. Ah.
53:40.98
Casey
Ah, well that mean he'll be on the show in two weeks great all right? So we need a nickname for him aid a D Dc Shear
53:44.13
dave_gerhardt
Look I gotta tell you something I gotta tell you something I like like the grinders tour this is. It's great to not pick the big guys but like come on tell me tell me if I couldn't pick like can't lay this. You know like like when can I when when are you gonna let me pick. Not how about for the majors. How about for the majors I can pick like can't lay all right? That's that's all I want. That's all I Want field.
54:03.22
Casey
Yeah,, that's fun. That's fun I think for the majors we can I think for the majors we can do you're right? We'll do non grinders because no one's there's not really a. That's a hard field to get into. But I think us open. It's a good one to do grinders though because. That's like 1 where it is pete like or the pga championship. You got actual? Maybe we'll do a separate um pga championship like what do you call those guys the blocky guys they're like ah no, but isn't there a designation for them in that like there they won their sectional qual I don't know.
54:22.60
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
54:29.69
dave_gerhardt
The pro they're they're club pros. What do't mean? What do we call them Club pluros.
54:39.30
Casey
Whatever, um, and by the way blocky's coming back. Don't forget that that birdie on eighteen last year on the pg championship got him into valhalla this year. So um I think it might have just been no top 15 those top 15 by the way.
54:39.16
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah yeah club club pros that's what ah That's what djako that's what he's coming back. What was it top 10
54:56.51
Casey
I'm sorry to go back into the blocky thing but there's a great pga tour I think I sorry pj of America Youtube video of the Michael block story just as told it's about 23 minutes it's just as told by um, his his Sunday I think. Ah, yeah, just his Sunday or Saturday and Sunday at the pj championship through the broadcast There's no commentary There's no like hype stuff. It's just what happened on like live Tv it is remarkable you forget how like crazy that story is and like emotional it is. I know everything sense that in him saying that if he had rories drives. He'd be the best player in the world if already had his drives. He would be outside the top. What 400 or whatever but that was ridiculous. What happened that's going to be a movie it' just insane the whole in 1 everything.
55:50.61
dave_gerhardt
Um I I don't I don't I'm I'm not afraid Ted admit this ah I was watching that I made Leah watch it and when he did that interview with Amanda Ballyonis I I not I there might have been some mist in my eyes and.
55:52.85
Casey
Yeah.
56:03.64
Casey
The one after the round. Yeah, but right, but that's what this video is helps remind. It's like this is what this is the unadulterated version would happen. It's not the shit to happen before after it's just.
56:07.10
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yes, ah you know and anyway now it's like not cool. It's like he's become so overblown and so viral. But in that moment it was ah.
56:23.51
Casey
Like here but it has the nance walk and talk and it's before he was probably corrupted by whatever um, and good for him. You've got to make the most ah your opportunity. So good for him. But it's I'll send it to you. It's a good reminder of like wow that's and and 1 of the more unforgivable things of all time I don't understand it is.
56:28.64
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:42.69
Casey
That hole in one happened. Did you watch you watch it live when it happened it happened probably like 15 seconds before they got back from break and gymances comes out of break and goes here. It is just happened a few seconds ago and like why do you have to say that nobody knows it's not live just say here. We go to Michael block on that like.
56:43.85
dave_gerhardt
I did yeah.
57:01.99
Casey
There is no re Jim Nancez has 0 blemishes on his record except for this, it's it makes no sense why he had to say like just 10 seconds ago just like I know it's going in now you just said that just let me see it live I don't know.
57:16.20
dave_gerhardt
It's it's such a good. It's such a good ah distinction I I was listening to um I forget which podcast it was maybe it was no laying up but this summer there was the canadian open and do you remember who won that Nick.
57:19.48
Casey
I Don't get it.
57:32.76
Casey
Yeah Canadian They changed the logo to him the Canadian opens logo is now like I think I will have to look it up but it had like a golfer in it kind of like the pj torres the guy swing.
57:33.73
dave_gerhardt
Nick Taylor um what do you mean? they changed the logo.
57:50.57
Casey
But it had something in it but they changed it to him I think when he dropped the his potter remember he made that bomb like a canadian hadn't won the canadian open in 50 years whatever and he made this like 50 foot eagle pot on 18 to win it. That's where what's his name got tackled. Ah so the new. But.
58:04.48
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, that was that was there? yeah.
58:08.80
Casey
The canadian open logo. They just changed it to it has Nick Taylor in it. But anyway go ahead.
58:10.77
dave_gerhardt
So this was maybe think of they were talking with they were talking about this on no laying up, but just Nance had this Nick Taylor made this punt and he just shouts glorious and free which is. Apparently ah, those words are in the canadian national anthem but it's like where does he come up with this glorious and free Jim Nance with a fantastic call I love that all right.
58:31.57
Casey
Oh yeah, ah check check slack for a second look at the thing I just sent you. It's pretty funny. It went from like a pain Stewart looking guy to Nick Taylor thrown is his ah kind of almost is like a no laying up.
58:43.91
dave_gerhardt
Oh that's amazing. That's actually great. That's actually sick. That's a sick logo. It does it. It feels like it doesn't rbc feels like very like this is a bank. This is a big who even knows if this is a bank that logo does look like Nolan it looks amazing. Oh this is just a commemorative.
58:48.27
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
58:53.61
Casey
Um, yeah.
59:00.54
Casey
it's the royal bank ah it's the royal bank of of Canada it is a bank 100% of bank spoil alert pretend I didn't tell you that.
59:04.26
dave_gerhardt
Okay, thanks the Rpc The Royal It's the Royal Bank of Scotland All right. This was a good pod I had fun. This was Improv Pod I really enjoyed it. We can just always do this when we don't have a guess I got I got to jump um case. Thank you for? Thank you for for joining us. Thank you for bringing your your wit and your wisdom I hope I hope everything is ah.
59:16.85
Casey
Um.
59:23.29
dave_gerhardt
Settles down at your house. Hopefully I will avoid any of the the plagues here too. Everybody thank you for listening to this episode of the long game pod send us some listener emails long game pod at Gmail.com and I watched the golf this weekend to see camilo put on a show but also I like I like kids and ah. Ah I'll be slack in you later case.
59:44.57
Casey
All right? Ah Rory come on the pod I'm sick come on please.