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In this episode, Jeff Guenther LPC, aka TherapyJeff, stops by to chat top 90s love songs with Natalie and Tara. Learn more about Record Store Society.
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0:00:03 - Natalie
I have a question for you, Sarah. Can you believe January is almost over? I haven't even recovered from New Year's. I haven't even recovered from New Year's.
0:00:28 - Tara
No, me either. I just went to Target the other day and I saw Valentine's stuff and St Patrick's Day stuff.
0:00:35 - Natalie
It's too much, man, slow down. I'm not ready for that. It's too much.
0:00:40 - Tara
Oh hi, how are you?
0:00:41 - Tara
I'm Tara,
0:00:42 - Natalie
I'm Natalie.
0:00:43 - Tara
Take a look around. We'll be over here talking yeah, it's, it's. They don't need to be rushing me through the holidays.
0:00:49 - Natalie
I just want the candy. That's all I care about.
0:00:52 - Tara
Me too, me too, that's all that matters. Look who it is. Hello, hello, Jeff gunther Therapy, jeff, back again.
0:01:02 - Natalie
Good to see you too, old friend, to the store. Welcome back.
0:01:03 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, do you guys? Do you carry, like, any cassette tapes?
0:01:10 - Tara
I think we have a few. I think they have broken cases though.
0:01:14 - TherapyJeff
That's okay. That means that they're like more authentic, just because there's. I'm trying to collect my 90s cassettes and I'm going to eBay and they're charging so much money and I don't even know like now, all of a sudden, these things are collector items and they're no longer making a lot of cassettes for the bands that I like they like. It's funny, though, because I have recently seen like one of the newer Blink 182 albums Like they released in cassette, like as a cassette, as like just sort of like a joke, and I think the shins always release their music on cassette tapes for some reason. So there's still bands that are doing it, but I wish they would just sort of like. I want to find like a new third eye blind cassette tape, and that just doesn't exist.
0:02:02 - Natalie
We're going to put out an APB in the store. We're going to find you that cassette tape.
0:02:06 - TherapyJeff
Please do and call me when it comes in.
0:02:07 - Tara
You deserve it.
0:02:07 - Natalie
Hold it for me. Yeah, yeah, oh. So we're so glad to have you back in the store because I know you've got a book coming out this year. Can you tell us about that?
0:02:15 - TherapyJeff
I do have a book coming out.
It's called Big Dating Energy and I'm actually looking for, like, non-bookstores to carry the book, so maybe you'll be open to putting it on your shelves.
It's about it's going through like, all the different stages of relationship, and actually the first chapter of the book is called you Can Blame your Parents, and I talk about how you can blame your parents for all of your relationship issues, and it goes into you can blame society, you can blame capitalism, you can blame Hollywood, you can blame social media. There's so many like people and things to blame for your shitty relationship issues. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess, in the end, and like after the third chapter and after we're done blaming everybody for everything, I do come back around and say like yeah, we can blame everybody, but it's still your responsibility to like heal yourself and be a good data. And then it goes into all the stages of dating and then at the end it tells you how to like break up in a cool, cool, healthy, direct sort of honest way, because I feel like a lot of people don't know how to break up. There's a lot of bad breaker uppers out there.
I think so this book will help you break up in a healthy way, how to stay in a long-term relationship in a healthy way and how to get out there even if you don't feel like it.
0:03:30 - Natalie
That's really smart. Yeah, people don't consider the breakup as being part of a relationship story until it's too late. You know what I mean. And you're right. It's really important that people have some kind of skills about how to part ways amicably, yeah.
0:03:45 - Tara
I was going to say those people haven't listened to Nada Surf yet.
0:03:50 - TherapyJeff
Right. Nada Surf is my all-time favorite band. I have a lot of their posters hanging up in my house and Not A Surf writes a ton of love songs. It's funny because, like I, was exposed to Not A Surf in the 90s. Do you remember their hit in the 90s? Of course you do. Popular.
0:04:09 - TherapyJeff
Three important rules for breaking up. Don't put off breaking up when you know you want to. Belowing the situation only makes it worse.
0:04:17 - TherapyJeff
But it wasn't until the album Let Go, which is in 2003 or something, which I think was, yeah, their best album. Not A Surf also thinks that album was their best album, but that album is a love album. There's lots of love songs and breakup songs on that album. It's a favorite one to listen to over and over again.
0:04:40 - Tara
Yeah, Actually, last time you're in here in our record store we played the High Fidelity game and we did breakup songs.
0:04:47 - TherapyJeff
We did.
0:04:48 - Tara
Top 5 breakup songs. But it's Valentine's Day almost Actually. Do you like Valentine's Day? Are you a Valentine's Day kind of person?
0:04:58 - TherapyJeff
I love Valentine's Day. I feel like some people don't like it because they sort of Is Valentine's Day like a Hallmark holiday. Was it created by Hallmark so that we yeah, I ignore that I've heard. Yeah, and I just sort of lean into it. Any opportunity to be romantic is an opportunity that I'm going to take, and I'm still in the honeymoon phase in my new relationship. So being in a honeymoon phase with Valentine's Day coming up is like that's exactly how you want to do it, so I can't wait.
0:05:30 - Tara
Yeah Well, should we play the High Fidelity game again, this time with maybe love songs.
0:05:38 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, that sounds great. Do you want to make a therapy? Jeff inspire to make it just 90s love song.
0:05:44 - Tara
Oh yeah, definitely, we definitely should do that. Do you want to kick it off this time?
0:05:49 - TherapyJeff
Sure, yeah, I'll kick it off, and I think that it's tricky to Last time we chose breakup songs. Lots of love songs have breakup messages in them as well, so it's hard to take them apart. But this was really difficult because 90s love song. There's so many 90s love songs and so I decided to try to. I was just like, forget it, I'm only going to choose. I'm going to do my best and just choose from the alternative 90s love songs but there's just like a bunch of genres that I completely ignored. That is not okay, but that's the decision I made because it's so hard to narrow it down.
0:06:28 - Tara
Right, yeah, we can always play top five 90s love songs again and like choose a different genre, no worries.
0:06:36 - Natalie
Yeah, choose a single artist sometimes. Yeah, you know yeah.
0:06:41 - Tara
Also, who knows alternative. If you wanted to do again, I'm sure there's a whole other you might have a different point of view and a later phase in your life. So this is evergreen.
0:06:50 - TherapyJeff
That's right yeah.
0:06:52 - Tara
Awesome. I can't wait to hear what your top five 90s love songs are.
0:06:56 - TherapyJeff
All right. Well, I'll start. Number five is Crash Into Me by your boy, david Matthews. Dave Matthews Okay, yeah.
So the question is why do you love this song and is it a creepy song? Like it depends, I think, yes, I think Dave is a bit of a creep and we're were we okay with it? I think we were okay with it. And it's sort of funny because I think that Dave Matthews I don't know what you all think, but I feel like he's having a resurgence, like it feels like as a culture we're coming around and embracing Dave Matthews all over again.
But the Crash Into Me song was maybe his peak creepiness, because you can make an argument that it's about like a peeping Tom right, when he's just sort of like looking through a window and the girl that he's like looking at doesn't even know and he's getting like really turned on and that's a little problematic. But also I think that it we've all been that person to a certain degree, or like peeping on somebody and we know it's wrong but we're just like so into them and I think that this song really gets there. And then he's like, I feel like he's like very direct in some of the lyrics where he'll be like and you come, crash into me, baby, and I come into you, where it's just like he's saying like I'm coming into you, like I'm literally coming into your body, right, but like somehow Dave Matthews gets away with that just being like I'm crashing into you, I'm coming into you, which is like very hot.
And then there's the like, the other creepy lyric of like, hike up your skirt a little more and show the world to me what a fucking creep. And also I'm so turned on right, like how does that work? Do you, do you two have any idea? Like, first of all, is the song creepy to you? If so, why does he get away with it? And does it feel like a love song? Or does it feel like a like a stalker song? Oh, man.
0:09:11 - Tara
I feel like it feels like a love song and I don't know if it's the gentleness of the guitar or even the way that he sings it. And there's also that weird like you're my dirty rascal part which is like what are you talking about? But can I just say I recently saw him play live for I forget what it was, but some political thing that I went to and he played. I never. Well, I also say I saw him in the nineties but I don't remember how neurodivergent spicy he really is until now. I know myself as a neurodivergent person and watching him on stage is like wow, what I never realized. I mean, he the man is, he's on the spectrum or something. I'm not sure what it is, but I never realized it before until very recently. But that doesn't answer your question how does he get away with these words? But I didn't ever think that they were creepy Anytime I heard them, until also more recently, where I heard someone say that in like a TikTok or something.
0:10:21 - Natalie
Oh no, I thought it was quite creepy. I just ignored it Really Well, because the part hike up your skirt a little more, that part kind of made me a little uncomfortable. You're right, I was titillated but also, like bro, I don't know you back up. You know what I mean. It's weird, but it's something about that nineties jangly guitar that you could just kind of get away with anything, you know.
0:10:38 - TherapyJeff
I think you can. Did you? Did you back that and do you now see him as like a sex symbol? Was like he like a really hot guy? No, no no, no, no, but he had like do you think that he had, like big dick energy?
0:10:52 - Natalie
No, no, but you know what I can see it though. I could see it, though actually I wasn't plugged into that back then, but I can. I can see it now.
0:11:02 - Tara
I feel like in the nineties. I remember hearing that he he saw his current wife like in the crowd. It was like love at first sight and I don't think I think they're. They've been together ever since and they have many children. And also I think his sister died from cancer or something and he raised his nieces and nephews as a very young person also during this like huge part of his fame in the nineties. So he seems like a really good guy, but that doesn't still explain the creepy lyrics.
0:11:35 - TherapyJeff
That's how he gets away with it. I think Is it like oh. I think he's a good guy and we're going to yeah, so whatever. Anyways, that was number five crashing to me.
0:11:43 - Tara
Excellent choice.
0:11:44 - TherapyJeff
Thank you, thank you, okay. Number four is someone that had one of the sweetest, most unique voices of the nineties, in my opinion, and her name was Jewel, and the song that I love is called you Were Meant For Me, I know that you love me, and so you will see, you meant for me and I was meant for you.
0:12:12 - Natalie
Love it.
0:12:13 - TherapyJeff
That voice is so cute, that face is so cute. One of the things that I like about Jewel, and specifically this song, is her storytelling. It's just, it's so. She says I never put what towels on the floor anymore. And what else did she say? And soon you will see, you were meant for me and I was meant for you.
In this song she like talks about her day, going through her day, and it's sort of like it's more of a breakup song, or it's also a breakup song, right, cause she's like yearning for this relationship, yearning for this guy, and she talks about her like normal day, that she's trying to get through and not think about him, but she can't, she can't not think about him, and the chorus of soon you will see, you were meant for me just feels like.
You know, I was in high school in the 90s and I was, I felt like, really tortured and I was convinced that, like the girls that I had crushes on, they would eventually see that they were meant for me Didn't turn out that way, but there was this real sweetness where she's also trying to kind of like convince herself that she's fine, like she's singing this song, trying to convince herself that she's fine and she's maybe thinking that she's succeeding until she's kind of like gets to the chorus and she's like you are meant for me and I was meant for you, and soon you'll see. And she's also there's like this, like simplicity to her songs. You know, it's just sort of like that guitar sound. Her videos are always her big, pretty face looking right into the camera, being so vulnerable. She's such like a vulnerable singer-songwriter. So that's why it really resonated with me.
0:13:49 - Tara
Yeah, it is interesting how she says dreams last for so long, even after you're gone. Yeah she's like hanging on to this relationship with every little fiber in her being. You know, Trust me, you were meant for me and I was meant for you. This is going to happen again.
0:14:08 - Natalie
You're definitely right on the storytelling part too. That's what I loved about the song. I love writers who can kind of take you through this narrative and you go through this entire day with her, and I love how I love writers, and especially in fiction. I like this too, when writers can make the most mundane everyday tasks feel so real and feel so like poetic, you know.
So, she's just talking about breakfast in the first verse and her alarm clock going off. But there's, you feel it with her, you know. She says like I feel so far from where I've been, I've got my maple syrup and all this, blah, blah, blah. I don't, I have everything, but you, you know what I mean. It's just so. It's so tangible, I think, for anyone. So I really think that's it.
0:14:44 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, it's funny how like she and other writers can get so specific about their day, and it makes it even more relatable for me, even though she's being specific about herself, yeah, and she has just a really pretty voice.
0:14:55 - Natalie
Yeah, definitely.
0:14:56 - TherapyJeff
So that was my number four. Number three is I don't. So number three is like if this song isn't on both of your lists then I'll be shocked. But number three is Nothing Compares to you by Shanae Doe Conner.
0:15:12 - TherapyJeff
Because nothing compares, Nothing compares to you.
0:15:25 - Tara
Yeah.
0:15:25 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I mean just the title of the song, right, it's such a like. It's just like this yearning like talks about how, like, nobody is better than you. And then it starts out right With the lyrics saying it's been seven hours and 15 days since you took your love away. That is so fucking specific. Seven hours and 15 days. We've been there, right?
Another breakup song is I guess I can't get away from breakup songs maybe, but yeah, and that's one of, like, my favorite first lines it's been seven hours and 15 days because, right, you're just. You drop into the pain, don't you? You just like you feel that heartache and how much she loves. And then the chorus of like cause, nothing compares, nothing compares to you. Again, it's you can't do any better than that Like. You know exactly what she's saying and you know exactly how she's feeling. What else did I like about this? She's very dramatic. All the flowers that you planted, mama, in the backyard all died when you went away. Oh, my God. I know that living with you, baby, was sometimes hard, but I'm willing to give it another try. She's so dramatic, so relatable, right, Like she'll just like throw her entire life away, just so she can do it all over again, even if it doesn't work, and it probably won't.
0:16:45 - Natalie
Can I just say you mentioned the first line of the song and just how it pulls you in. That is an amazing first line to a song, for sure top tier, and it's again. It's that pin game from Prince. He's got so many songs like this where that first line is just like wait, what? What's happening? Where am I going, where am I being transported to? And this song is like a great example.
0:17:04 - Tara
He does that a lot with the time too. Like Manic Monday is like six o'clock already, and I'm just in the middle of a dream. Like he wrote that too, so he was always doing the time thing.
0:17:15 - TherapyJeff
And this is like yeah, so you know, written by Prince, but also like I mean Prince a legend. Obviously we know this, but like I'm not sure in my head, I think that like he wouldn't have been able to do it better than Shenandoah Connor, I think like what she did with it was just perfect.
0:17:31 - Natalie
I don't know what do you think Bims is fighting words. Therapy, jeff. The audacity I think she made it her own.
0:17:41 - Tara
No, I agree, I think she made this song her own.
0:17:44 - TherapyJeff
No, Natalie's not having it.
0:17:46 - Natalie
It's a good cover, but no.
0:17:49 - Tara
Not happening, but she did, but I for me. You won't find this in, sorry, you will not find this in my top five love songs. It's too sad.
0:17:58 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I mean, I guess this like says a lot about us, the songs that we choose that we think you know, and you know, like love is pain, pain is love.
But I think for me they're like I love a love song where, like they are yearning for you and that's you can see that in the pics so far is that like there's a yearning? I really need you, I want you. I'm being a little creepy about it, I'm over dramatic and I think that nothing compares to you really. And it's her voice, it's the way it starts, which, like her voice, is so centered. Yeah, it's a great love song.
0:18:41 - Tara
If we're gonna say that like these songs this one and the creepy one from Dave Matthews band David Matthews this is a red flag.
0:18:52 - TherapyJeff
If these are somebody's top favorite, yeah, this is a red flag. This is definitely a red flag, yeah.
0:18:58 - Natalie
This is the therapy portion of the conversation.
0:19:00 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, and everybody has a red flag or two. It's okay, it's important to know what they are and I know that for me, these are definitely it. Okay, so this next song, I think we would probably all agree it's a great love song, but it's a little bit more special for me because, like I don't know if this is happening nowadays with the kids or in any relationship, but like back in the 90s, especially so, I felt like when you're in a relationship, you'd also have a song together. This is our song, this is our song, right. And so this song was one of my songs, was the song for, like, one of my favorite romantic relationships with Marissa. I was with Marissa for three years. We both loved the song. It's a very popular song but of course, we thought we like, we made it our own and it is none other than Foo Fighters Ever Long.
0:19:53 - TherapyJeff
Hello, I've waited here for you Ever.
0:20:01 - TherapyJeff
Long, do you remember? Ever Long.
So good yes, oh, yeah. But even more specifically, the acoustic version of Ever Long was, I think, an even more romantic version of it, and Dave Grohl has, like, famously said that the song Ever Long was like the song that finally like got the Foo Fighters the attention that they wanted, slash, deserved, and like put them over the top, and so I also love that. It's, like, you know, a very special song for Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters. But some of the lyrics, if everything could ever feel this real forever, if anything could ever be this good again.
The only thing I'll ever ask of you is you gotta promise not to stop when I say when there's not a lot of lyrics I feel like in this song it's like that chorus repeated a lot but you gotta promise not to stop when I say when there's something like that works for me so well, and I don't think that's like, I think you couldn't interpret that as like a sex thing, like keep having sex with me or do this like sexy thing, even like even if I say no, just keep on doing it.
But I think it's more of like a just sort of like a rush of relationship, dopamine, like keep loving me and I'll love you and you gotta promise not to stop when I say when, because I just like I want it all and, but it also feels like their love is. The love is like spinning out of control and it's overwhelming him. And this song was written in one of his lowest points in life, after his divorce, and he was like sleeping on the floor in a sleeping bag and he had just found a new love and he was just like. So it also was written in this way of like I think he's avoiding his grief from his divorce and he's rebounding and all of a sudden feeling love like he felt before and I was like, oh, please don't stop, because I want to avoid the grief of my divorce, sort of thing which I also feel like is really relatable. I want to get caught up in this love that might be a rebound relationship, because I don't want to process my sad feelings, you know.
0:22:14 - Tara
Yeah so.
0:22:15 - TherapyJeff
I love everyone.
0:22:16 - Tara
And that relationship was with Louise Post from Baruch Assault, who sings backup on this song which I think was recorded through a telephone.
0:22:24 - TherapyJeff
Oh really.
0:22:26 - Tara
Yeah.
0:22:26 - TherapyJeff
That's really cool.
0:22:27 - Tara
I don't know if that's true. I read that somewhere, but I hope that's true too.
0:22:29 - TherapyJeff
I hope that's true too, and the lyric of breathe out so I can breathe you in is super sexy. It's super sexy, super hot. Even the way that he delivers. It is really, is really hot. Yeah, Dave, do you think Dave Grohl is hot? Is he like a sex? Was he a sex symbol? Is he just like a funny looking man to you?
0:22:49 - Tara
He wasn't my type, but I wouldn't say he's ugly or weird looking or anything.
0:22:54 - Natalie
No, I wouldn't kick him out of bed. He has such an amazing personality that you just become hot.
0:22:59 - TherapyJeff
You know that's true, I mean, he's great.
0:23:01 - Natalie
It's funny that you mentioned that line. You've got to promise not to stop. When I say when, you're totally right, I think I've just been misinterpreting it wrong this whole time, maybe just because I'm dark and twisty, but I always took it as, like you know, there's sometimes when you feel unlovable, you're like you have so much self loathing that you're just like ugh, you're kind of like don't bother, you know what I mean, and just kind of telling that person, even in my and even in those moments when I don't know how to love myself, like just keep piling it on. You know, that's probably not what he meant.
0:23:31 - TherapyJeff
No, I like that, but that's how I took it, I just thought it was really deep line.
0:23:35 - Tara
Yeah, yeah, Also pivotal moment for this and not pivotal moment, but it feels like maybe it is a big cultural moment is when they used a classical version of this song in the Friends episode where there's a wedding, who gets married. It was like a big wedding. I forget who was supposed to be?
0:23:54 - Natalie
Is it Chandler Monica? I think it was Chandler Monica, was it?
0:23:56 - Tara
Chandler Monica. And they, yeah, and they used Everlong, like the coming down the aisle, cello and violin playing oh, wow, who's Everlong Deep cut.
0:24:05 - TherapyJeff
That is a deep cut. I remember that now. That's so cute, yeah, okay, my number one song that everyone will agree with, I'm sure, but also, like every song on this list, I have a special relationship with it. It is Oasis' Wonderwall.
0:24:26 - TherapyJeff
I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now.
0:24:37 - TherapyJeff
Yes, do you remember a Wonderwall? How can you not remember Wonderwall? Am I right?
0:24:42 - Tara
It's like one of the most played songs on Spotify, right? I don't know it should be, though.
0:24:48 - TherapyJeff
The chorus. I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now. Just, you know I've knocked it out of the park with that. All the roads we have to walk, our winding, all the lights that lead us there are blinding. There are many things that I would like to say to you but I don't know how it feels very relatable of like, just like being so in love with somebody but not knowing how to express it and all the you know like it's the story. You know the all the roads we have to walk are winding, the lights are leading us there, are blinding, like it to me. I don't know what that means and I don't think that, like Noel Gallagher knows what that means, but the way that I like interpreted it was like we can kind of like tell this story of like all the roads were like leading me to you and all the lights were sort of like blinding because I was so overwhelmed by this love. And there it's funny because, like whenever there was this one.
You know there's a few documentaries on Oasis and they asked Noel about Champagne, supernova, that song, and I think there's like a lyric in the song of like I'm walking down the hall faster than a cannonball or slower than a can or something, and they're like what does that lyric mean? He's like what does that lyric mean? I don't know what the fucking lyric means. He's just like I just write words that sound good together. You know, he's like very dismissive of his lyrics a lot of the time because he's just like I'm just like a rock and roll star. I just like write what sounds good, and especially this like this album, what's the story of Morning Glory? There's, they like half wrote almost like all of the songs and they just repeated them. They just like wrote half the song and then just like said the same lyrics again for the second verse and the third verse. You know like there's not much to it, but I think that sort of like leads to its like simplicity and catchiness and the other lyrics of because maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me and after all you're my Wonderwall.
And also, like in the 90s I didn't know what the fuck the like a Wonderwall was. I still don't know what Wonderwall is or means. I think he's talked about it, but it was just like it's a great, it's a great word, and so it sort of works. But this, this is maybe like TMI. So, whatever I remember, when I like heard this song, I was like this is my song. I love this song. This is such an important song to me that I'm going to do my very best to make sure that it's playing. The first time I have sex Good for you. Yes, and and I would tell that to any girlfriend that I got if I had the potential of like maybe we're going to have sex I was like this is what's going to happen If we do sex.
I'm playing this fucking song and they're like do whatever you got to do, guy. I like I don't, even until I finally love how intentional, it is yeah. So intentional. And then I met Emily and I was like totally head over heels for Emily and I told her this is the song that I'm going to have sex to for the first time. She's like play it, babe. We played it and before sex was over I almost got all the way to the chorus before the sex was over, but I remember it playing.
0:27:53 - Tara
Yeah.
0:27:54 - TherapyJeff
And that's why it's an extra special song for me.
0:27:57 - Tara
Mission to.
0:27:57 - TherapyJeff
Confect. Exactly I would have loved song.
0:28:00 - Natalie
That's got to be the biggest accolade for Noel Gallagher. You should be most proud of that.
0:28:05 - Tara
Right. Also, the fact that you're willing to tell the story means that it was probably not such a traumatic relationship or toxic relationship that you would ever want to forget. This thing ever happened to and never want to hear this song again.
0:28:16 - TherapyJeff
So that's good it is good. It was a good like quick high school relationship yeah.
0:28:24 - Tara
I love it. I love it. Yeah, I love Oasis because I don't know Well, they're kind of assholes, but I also just love this like big rock and roll energy that they have that like ballsy cockiness. But Noel Gallagher is such a great songwriter and his most recent album was my number one album from 2023. It's so good.
You should check it out because it does have that same Wonderwall feel. There's a song called Easy Now and I think Liam's was like I don't know how such a twat could write a song this amazing, but it's such a good song Check it out, thank you, but this is a great choice for number one song.
0:29:04 - TherapyJeff
That's fun.
0:29:04 - Tara
Love it.
0:29:05 - Natalie
Wow, that was a fun list, yeah, some good memories.
0:29:09 - Tara
I wanted to ask you. I know you were doing a podcast before. We're not doing a podcast Now. We're in a record store, but you have a new podcast.
0:29:18 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I was doing a podcast called this Changes Everything with my friend Sarah and I recently left that podcast to start a new podcast called Big Dating Energy which is the same name as my book. So it's kind of like a companion podcast and I'm trying to figure out what the format is going to be. I'm interviewing some comedians and some journalists and some other therapist content creators about different stuff. The first episode I had one of my favorite comedians, kat Cohen, on there and we answered relationship questions together. The second one, I was interviewing someone who's been a bachelorette because I was like I'm a big bachelor fan and I was just like what the fuck is that show all about? Like, tell me about all of the ins and outs. Is it real? Are the producers getting you drunk the whole time? Should I be concerned? Is there a therapist on staff?
0:30:08 - TherapyJeff
And so lots of it.
0:30:09 - TherapyJeff
So I'm trying to figure out exactly what the format is, but whatever it is is really fun and has to do with relationships and dating. And then I'm launching another podcast that is coming out in February called Problem Solve, where callers call in and tell me what their problem is like usually a relationship problem and I give them advice. And then they go do that advice and then call back a week later to tell me how wonderful that advice was.
0:30:36 - Natalie
That's awesome.
0:30:37 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, so it's a classic. You know, call in show, but we actually get to find out if the advice was any good or not.
0:30:44 - Tara
That's good. Yeah, I'm always needing the part.
0:30:45 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I know right, you want to know what happens. So Problem Solved and Big Dating. Energy is where you can find me. I love it.
0:30:52 - Tara
Perfect Natalie.
0:30:53 - Natalie
I'm going to do my top five now. I just want you to know this was very stressful for me. I'm very irritated by the topic. It's an impossible task because the 90s were just so incredible for love songs of all genres. I struggled. So my solution, you know, with all of the mylanta I've been slamming, agonizing over this. I'm just going to put all the contenders into a hat and then draw five. We're just going to roll with it. How's that sound? That sounds great. It's cheaty, whatever. Okay, number five More Than Words by Extreme.
0:31:20 - TherapyJeff
More Than Words to show you feel Life's, your love for me is real Love it.
0:31:31 - Natalie
Wow Right, yeah. So 1990, this is where the band just has the guitarist Nuno Bettencourt and singer Gary Chiron breaking it down doing this sweet little acoustic number. The song actually almost didn't get released because A&M didn't think it would get any radio play since all the bands at the time were doing like these huge power ballads, you know, and it was a lot of drama. Bettencourt actually quit over the issue but they ironed it out, released the song and it hit number one on the Billboard Smash International hit Duh Right, duh yeah. I love the song, I love the video. I thought the two guys were super dreamy and I just think it's a sweet song.
Now, if you listen to the lyrics, though, it's not really a love song. It's kind of like they're fussing about how overused the phrase I love you can become to the point where it just feels sort of empty and you have to follow through with some action. And I've read some people who reject the song and hate it have said that it's just like a passive, aggressive, guilt-tripping demand for more sex, which you know is valid criticism, I guess. I guess I can kind of see it, but I think the way it was packaged is just so soft and sweet and like such a departure from their glam metal roots that I don't know. It just hits me like a sweet lullaby and I love it forever.
0:32:47 - TherapyJeff
Well is it? I mean, yes, I think it's like sweet. It's got that sweet lullaby thing. It slows down a little bit. I don't know if you feel this way, but it also like it feels horny, Did you?
0:33:00 - Natalie
pick up horny. Oh, yeah, yeah.
0:33:02 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, yeah, like it's sort of like this song fucks, even though like it's slow. You know what I mean and I really respect that.
0:33:13 - Natalie
You're totally right. I see that now it was 1990. I was in single digits, so it's just going to be like crystallized as a really sweet love song.
0:33:21 - TherapyJeff
Got it. Got it. Sorry, I don't want to, because that wouldn't have been in my vocabulary yet.
0:33:25 - Natalie
But yeah, I can see the fuckery now. Yeah.
0:33:29 - Tara
It is really sweet, though, because he's like you don't have to tell me, because I'd already know that you love me. But I will say that like yes, saying I love you in my relationship has become kind of like I have it, but at the same time, if I didn't get it then it would be maybe a little paranoid or like wondering why didn't you say it yeah, Do you still love me?
0:33:49 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, exactly, and you know it's. You have to like back up your words with something right, and you know like you're saying, like sometimes love is. You say it over and over again and you sort of like forget about it and this is a good reminder that, like, love is an action.
0:34:07 - Natalie
All right, so my number four pick is week by SWV. I get so weak in the need I can hardly.
0:34:16 - TherapyJeff
I lose all control of it and take all these holes in a day.
0:34:24 - Natalie
You guys familiar with this one, oh yeah.
0:34:25 - TherapyJeff
Everyone in the world is familiar with this one, I think.
0:34:29 - Natalie
This was a huge, huge song. It came out in 92 on their debut album. It's About Time. And the song was written. The writer actually was inspired by his crush on singer Chante Moore, which makes total sense because Chante Moore absolutely gorgeous. Everyone loved her in the 90s. It was originally written for the legendary Charlie Wilson, formerly vocalist for the Gap band, and he turned it down. So the song was given to SWV and the crazy part is Coco, one of the singers. She was not feeling the song and like had a stank attitude all through recording. But there's egg on her face because it tops the Billboard Hot 100. It went platinum and it's one of their biggest hits.
0:35:10 - Tara
Yeah, unforgettable hit.
0:35:11 - Natalie
Yeah, I think this has one of the catchiest hooks I've ever heard and I think that's no small feat considering just how wordy it is, you know. But just something about it, it just sits so perfectly on the rhythm. The backing vocals and harmonies are just beautiful. Coco doing her killer runs that my friends and I consistently butchered in school trying to sing along. I just have such good memories of this song.
0:35:34 - TherapyJeff
Have you seen anyone successfully karaoke this song?
0:35:38 - Natalie
I've seen people attempt to karaoke this song.
0:35:42 - TherapyJeff
I've seen attempts as well, but I've never seen anybody actually pull it off and it's funny. I think that, like you might think that it's like sort of an easy sing-songy one to do until you actually try to sing it yeah, with all those lyrics, but it's definitely the catchy chorus and it's one of those songs that sort of like. Whatever type of music or genre you're into, you all stop and listen to this one because it's just so good in so many ways.
0:36:10 - Natalie
Yeah, yeah, it's the power of great songwriting, it's true. All right, my number three. Pick, shuffle the hat around a bit. We have Desiree kissing you From the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack from 1996.
0:36:39 - Tara
Mm-hmm. Ah, my gosh, I love the song so much. I love the song too.
0:36:44 - Natalie
Yeah, it's standard. It was produced by Nelly Hooper, which I did not realize. Yeah, it's Desiree actually performs the song in the movie. So it's that scene where the two leads see each other for the first time through the fish tank. Ugh, it's so dreamy. I love it.
0:37:00 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, this was the that movie. That's the only way that I can like take Shakespeare, like, like it has to be set to like one of the best 90s soundtracks ever and little Leo and Claire need to be acting it out. Yeah, you sort of like you forget that it's Shakespeare when you're watching the movie, but the soundtrack is such an important part of the movie there's like a song playing like throughout the whole movie basically, and this one just sort of like as it does in the scene of the movie, like it stops you in your tracks. Every note, every sound, you know it's just it really like goes through your soul, you know.
0:37:41 - Natalie
It's so extra it's doing the most. The moody piano, the big, you know, orchestral strings, and then Desiree, she's got that really intense, rich, soulful voice. I'm telling you there was a long period of time where I could not listen to the song without just ugly crying, just puffy eyes. Not the full nine yards, it, just it did the most.
0:38:05 - Tara
Like Claire Danes in that one scene in this movie in the tomb, I feel like I don't wanna spoil it.
0:38:11 - TherapyJeff
You can spoil it In case someone hasn't seen it, but like it's Shakespeare, it's really on Juliet. Yeah, right, like everyone, yeah.
0:38:18 - Tara
But like Claire Danes, totally ugly cries in the movie and it is actually, yeah, and Claire Danes is ugly cries in everything she's in and she should cause.
0:38:28 - TherapyJeff
She's amazing at it, like she is just just so dramatic.
0:38:34 - Natalie
She's got that little cleft chin and it just like shivers while she's crying and that gets me every time.
0:38:39 - TherapyJeff
Oh yeah.
0:38:40 - Tara
Yeah, yeah, they're definitely should have been more than one season of my so-called life. I worshiped that show.
0:38:46 - Natalie
I love that show so much, yeah, but this song just totally captures the pleasure and the pain of being in love, like when you're so into somebody that it you actually feel sick to your stomach. You know, that's just what it was like being a teenager. It was perfect yeah.
0:39:01 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, and hopefully you know that feeling stays in your teenage years, but that real like lovesick feeling, but like every now and then you can get close to it and you know I sort of miss it. But I also like remember feeling really tortured by it. So I'm glad that it's not something that hijacks my whole system anymore.
0:39:21 - Natalie
Oh yeah, yeah, I can think fondly of it, but I don't miss it. It was rough feeling that way.
0:39:28 - Tara
I am so glad social media wasn't a thing when I was a teenager, because I feel like that would have just made everything just so much worse Terrible.
0:39:37 - TherapyJeff
For sure.
0:39:38 - Natalie
All right. Number two is Beauty by Drew Hill, specifically the remix. I hope that I can make you mine.
0:39:48 - TherapyJeff
For another man steals your heart, and once your beauty is mine, I'll say we will never be apart.
0:40:00 - Natalie
I don't know this one. You don't know this one. Okay, you have to look this one up. It's a bit elusive. So, drew Hill, they always put out remixes that are better than the originals, but this particular one, I don't know where it came from. I don't know where to find it. I feel like it was only on the radio. So it came out in let's see 98. Was there a second album? Enter the Drew.
And this song is just high school. It represents high school for me. It's about having this crush, this person that you see walking up and down the hall every day on the way to English or something, and you just like you want to talk to them, but you don't know how and you don't want somebody else to get to them first. This is also like the quintessential quiet storm song for me. It's just got that smooth, really romantic flow, negative of like late night R&B radio shows. Yeah, I'm telling you, you put the song on. It's like time to slow dance. We're not leaving any room for Jesus. Turn on the black light, let's get grinding.
0:40:59 - Tara
Yeah, yeah, it seems like a sex song. Maybe it is.
0:41:03 - TherapyJeff
it's a pre-game song, for sure, I grew up in LA and I do not remember hearing this song on any of the radio stations. I missed it too, for some reason.
0:41:12 - Natalie
Yeah, that's really weird. I've seen that, like in Reddit threads Like some people just completely missed out on this song altogether. So I don't know if sleeper hit I don't think that's quite the right term but it still blew up just off of the limited radio play that it got and it is still considered one of Drew Hill's best songs.
0:41:28 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, it's funny because, like, I feel like it's more rare that, like, when we're talking about the nineties, that like if a song was a hit, almost in any genre, we hurt everyone heard it.
Because there was sort of like the nineties was like the mono culture, where there was just like, if it was a hit, it was on MTV or is in Rolling Stone or is playing across the radio and we all, it was like it was a hit to everybody. But now there is no mono culture, right, and there's all these separate like cultures that are like harder to get and to find and so, and which makes it harder for a band to write a really big hit and for, like an artist to become like the thing Like there's only so many Taylor Swift's and Olivia Rodrigo or Beyonce's, you know, but like back in the nineties it was like one after the other, after the other after the other, because we all were in the same. We're all watching MTV together. So it's funny when you talk about a song and I missed it because, like the local radio station actually didn't play it, when usually they all played the same thing.
0:42:31 - Natalie
Yeah, that's very rare. I know they filmed the music video for the song, but I don't think it was released. There's some legal kerfuffle or whatever, but in spite of that, it's still transcended and blew up for them one of their big hits. But yeah, that's what was so great about the nineties, with MTV, who basically raised me. We were just so. We were so culturally fed. When it came to music, Everybody liked a little bit of everything.
0:42:55 - Tara
Yeah, that's why I think that the nineties were the best era for music, best decade for music. Because electronic music you had house music on nineties radio which they don't really do anymore unless it is like Beyonce.
And then let's see country music Garth Brooks the Dixie Chicks and I had Twain I mean, it was having a whole moment jazz. Even we had Kenny G on the radio, candy Dulfur man, it was just like name, a genre. We all knew something about it. But now it's like you have to really seek out those different genres specifically.
0:43:30 - Natalie
We were lucky. We were very lucky. All right, so number one, mariah Carey. I really could just in there just insert ballad okay, by Mariah Carey, because she was on a tear. In the nineties, I'm telling you, every single album had some incredible love ballads. She just did not miss. But this particular one that I've drawn from my trusty hat is all I've ever wanted from her 1993 music box album.
0:43:59 - TherapyJeff
Because all I've ever wanted is you and you alone A masterpiece.
0:44:09 - Natalie
I love it. It's one of the sweetest, pure innocent love songs I've ever heard.
0:44:15 - Tara
Yeah.
0:44:16 - TherapyJeff
This one I'm not as familiar with.
0:44:19 - Natalie
You're into it.
0:44:20 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I think you're right. Everything that she does, every song that she sang was just like she has one of the most amazing iconic voices that sort of defined a lot of the nineties. Because she was just. She hit it out of the ballpark every single time.
0:44:44 - Natalie
I think this song is one of the many snapshots of her voice in its peak condition.
Like when she hits the climax of the song. It is so powerful she doesn't let up until the end. I'm like where is sister girl even breathing? I have this thought plenty of times when I listen to her music. Where are you breathing? Are your lungs made of Kevlar? How are you doing this? She's not breathing. She's not real. Dude, top tier vocals, painfully relatable lyrics. Like people, don't talk about Mariah Carey's pin game enough. She writes such beautiful, relatable, poetic songs, pop perfection every time she even wrote a secret rock album.
Tara Tara's on the case. You love this cassette, don't you?
0:45:25 - Tara
Yeah, the CD I mean, I love it. It's called Chick, in case you don't know, look it up. You definitely won't find it on eBay at an affordable cost. Have you guys seen that video of Mariah Carey doing her high C or whatever note that is Her whistle Next to a dolphin and the dolphin freaks out Like, oh my God, she can speak my language Right, oh my.
0:45:46 - Natalie
God, are we cousins? Yeah, it's cute. It's a cute video. This song, though you want to talk about the ascent into my boy crazy era. I played the CD down to its filaments, literally. I can only imagine how silly I looked in the library with my Walkman on staring at my crush who was going through the card catalog, Shout out to the Dewey Decimal System. Yeah, she was the soundtrack of my life during my boy crazy phase.
0:46:13 - TherapyJeff
Do we still use the Dewey Decimal System? Is that still a thing in libraries?
0:46:18 - Natalie
Yeah, I think so.
0:46:18 - TherapyJeff
Is it.
0:46:19 - Natalie
Are you serious? It's just digitized, it's digital. All that doesn't count, man, you got to get the cards. You got to pull the card out. I've never understood that.
0:46:29 - Tara
Yeah, but that's how they know where to put the actual books in the library.
0:46:32 - TherapyJeff
It's still categorized, it's still OK, but you can just ask a computer to tell you exactly where it is.
0:46:40 - Natalie
I kind of missed that. I missed the physicality of the card and your name and the date and it felt so official when they slid it in the front for you I'm like, ok, you've got two weeks, man, make it happen. I like that. Anyway, memories.
0:46:54 - Tara
I'm most successful with a deadline attached to things. Also that set me up for success.
Thank you Not a good pick. Mariah Carey Unplugged was my first CD. That's a good one. And also, I feel like semi-recently put on, what is that one record? Vision of Love, whatever that one is and I somehow knew every single word, still to this day, and I haven't really listened to it since I was probably like 10 years old or however. I don't know when that came out, but it's like I can't even remember what happened yesterday, but I can remember all of these words.
0:47:29 - Natalie
They're like programming. I'm convinced that Mariah Carey's 90s discography is some kind of MK ultra program, because you could put any record of hers on any track, drop it in the middle. I'm going to start singing. I'm going to know every ad lib, every inflection. It's creepy. It is creepy right.
0:47:48 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, that is kind of creepy. Is there any other artist or song or album that you can do that with?
0:47:54 - Tara
Whitney York B York. Yeah, awesome Whitney.
0:47:57 - Natalie
Whitney Wow, we're on the same wavelength.
0:48:01 - TherapyJeff
Yeah.
0:48:01 - Natalie
Whitney and B York. Yeah, wu Tang Clan no.
0:48:05 - Tara
Maybe like one album that's out of my wheelhouse. All right. Well, that's my list.
0:48:10 - Natalie
Nice, good one, so good Organizing.
0:48:12 - Tara
Yeah, so good. Yeah, now we switched up order a little bit, but, man, I can't wait to tell you guys my list. Yeah, let's hear it. All right, hit it. There is not overlap, but they're kind of it. That's a little bit of a spoiler, and you know me, I love the 90s, I love grunge, I love alternative. So that is kind of how I narrowed my list down because, yes, there are way too many, and even within that genre itself, and I narrowed it down to like 12 or so and then pulled my top five from that list, so we do have a good little chunk of honorable mentions.
0:48:48 - TherapyJeff
Oh yeah, I have those too.
0:48:49 - Tara
All right, starting with number five from the best soundtrack of the 90s, according to Therapy Jeff, it's the Wanadees with the you and Me Saw, and it's always you and me, always and forever. You, it's so fun, and I feel like most of my songs on this list are that kind of just like I'm so in love, I'm walking on a cloud, feeling it's so fun. It's you and me, always, forever. This is sung by Swedish band the Wanted Ease. They originally released it as a single in November 1994, but because of the big success they got from putting it on the soundtrack of the Romeo and Juliet movie in 1996, they re-released it on their next record and it peaked at number 18 in the UK, which is awesome and of course, it's their biggest hit.
I like how he says you know, always when we fight I kiss you once or twice and everything's forgotten. I know you hate that. It's kind of just like this relationship is so strong and the love is so timeless and they're so committed that, like you can see it even from their actions and their words it's so cute Like I love you. I know you hate this, but we love each other and everything is great, you know.
0:50:05 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, that Romeo and Juliet soundtrack produced a lot of great love songs actually.
0:50:11 - Natalie
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go back and check it out, because I don't quite remember that soundtrack so well.
0:50:16 - TherapyJeff
This is a great song. That song is very 90s too.
0:50:20 - Tara
It's so 90s and Loveful is on it too, but I was just thinking. Loveful is kind of like pleading for me. Is not the vibe I was looking for. It's like too pleading, like say that you love me please.
0:50:34 - TherapyJeff
Right, right, right. You know I was like I love that song, though this one is just very pure, very pure, purely love song. Would you say that it's like it borders on like twee, a little bit Like, is that?
0:50:47 - Tara
For sure. Yeah, I would say it's a little twee.
0:50:50 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, which is great for a love song and also just any song in general. I love twee, I love that.
0:50:56 - Tara
The cute little moments in the relationship and just celebrating those moments. You can't forget the good times, even if they are small, they're trivial. But we can't forget about the trivial things because that's what makes the entire relationship, not just those big, important events. The trivial moments matter too.
0:51:14 - Natalie
Yeah, I like the little Bossa Nova beat too. Bossa Nova always feels lighthearted and romantic to me just instantly.
0:51:22 - Tara
Yeah, totally All right. Next up, number four, we have someone who I talk about maybe way too much in the store. You know I love Evan Dando so much, but it's the Lemonheads with Into your Arms.
0:51:37 - TherapyJeff
Ow, I know a place where I can go where I'm alone, Into your arms, where I want to go I can go.
0:51:50 - Tara
Yeah, into your Arms is actually a cover song originally done by this Australian duo called the Love Positions, and it was written in 1989, but that band consisted of Robin St Clair, who actually wrote the song, and Nick Dalton. But in 1992, nick Dalton joined the Lemonheads and they covered it on their sixth studio album, come On, feel the Lemonheads, which was released in 1993. It was released as the album's lead single and it reached number one on the US Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks chart and it stayed on the chart for nine weeks straight, which at the time, they shared that record of that length of time being on number one in the Modern Rock charts with you two. So yeah, go, evan, and yeah, just love the message of this one.
I know a place where I can go when I'm alone Into your Arms. Also, I know a place that's safe and warm from the crowd Into your Arms. And if I should fall, I know I won't be alone. Be alone anymore. It's just. You know that lovely feeling of being with someone who's like your home. They're your safety net, your comfort zone. I love that you know what, tara?
0:53:05 - Natalie
I have always loved the song. I love it. This is like the Lemonhead song that really took root in my memory. Yay, when I was young. Yeah, this is a great song.
0:53:15 - TherapyJeff
I always thought that the Lemonheads were too cool for me. I don't know what it was, I know I like totally missed out on the Lemonheads because, like I don't know, this is some like hipster cool people, shit, that I just like it was. It felt like not accessible, but really it was very accessible if I wanted it to be, so, accessible yeah. It's really easy to like the Lemonheads, but for something in the 90s I was like intimidated by them. I don't know why, I know.
0:53:42 - Tara
That's sad. Yeah, they are very. It's pop rock in a sense it's they cover, Mrs Robinson.
0:53:50 - TherapyJeff
Yeah.
0:53:51 - Tara
Actually Evan Endo, by himself covers. Well, I think he still calls himself the Lemonheads when he covers these, but he does a lot of cover songs and he even covered Christina Aguilera's beautiful, really.
0:54:03 - Natalie
On one of those covers albums.
0:54:05 - Tara
Oh yeah, check it out and the beat goes on. He covers that one Also. I can't remember if this is like early 90s or late 80s. He covers Luca by Susan Vega. Wow yeah.
0:54:17 - TherapyJeff
Interesting. Yeah, I'll check it out.
0:54:18 - Tara
He's wonderful. Also, there's a YouTube of him covering damn, I wish I was your lover, Nice. I love his covers.
0:54:25 - Natalie
The man is busy yeah.
0:54:27 - Tara
The man is busy with covers. Speaking of, they actually did just release a new cover song and it's a song by the Vaseline singer, who I forget their name but check it out. Change 24, brands Bank, new, all right. Number three is also probably a band that I talk about way too much in this store because they are probably one of my number one absolute favorites bands of all time and I even have their band name tattooed on my body, which is maybe a little regrettable when I get older but it's Sonic Youth with the song Cotton Crown.
Okay, all right. So I'm kind of cheating with this one because it actually came out on their 1987 album Sister, but like I had to include it, I had to. They are a pivotal 90s band and there were others I could have chosen, but like this one has such sweet lyrics and it's the first time that Kim and Thurston do it and they were a power couple in the 90s but also he cheated on her later in life and now we're kind of we're mad at Thurston. We're mad at Thurston, but he did just put out a really good book which I loved and I hated myself that I loved it so much but it was so good. So the lyrics love has come to stay in all the way. It's going to stay forever and every day it feels like a wish coming true, it feels like an angel dreaming of you.
0:55:56 - TherapyJeff
Those are sweet lyrics.
0:55:58 - Natalie
It is pretty sweet. What is a cotton crown? What?
0:56:00 - Tara
does that mean to you?
0:56:01 - Natalie
I don't know what that is. I don't know Clouds, are they high? Is this a drug song? I don't know.
0:56:09 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I don't know this song. Yeah, I totally missed this song in the 90s, that's great, definitely this one's more of a deep cut for sure, but it seems like you know, so far, there's a theme where you're picking, like very sweet songs that are about love and there's no, like you know, broken hearts or yearning like in a, and also like no songs that you you might not put these songs on like a sex playlist, but these, these are like nostalgic, lovely, sweet, you know, heart songs.
0:56:42 - Tara
Yeah, definitely, that is kind of what I was going for. I definitely wanted to capture this like happy love feeling, you know when you are in a secure relationship or when you find someone new and you're excited about it and you're walking on clouds. Yeah, that's definitely the thing.
0:57:02 - TherapyJeff
It's working.
0:57:03 - Tara
Awesome, all right. So number two is the cure. Friday I'm in love. This is the second single from their ninth studio album, wish, from 1992. And it became one of their most successful songs, like nine albums later and it's like one of the most popular cure songs ever and I reached the top 40 in seven different countries, which is so awesome. I love how it's just kind of like you know the whole week can be blah and then Friday you get to see your love and it's like, yes, finally let's hang out.
0:57:46 - Natalie
Yeah.
0:57:47 - Tara
Monday, you can hold your head. Tuesday, wednesday, stay in bed, or Thursday, watch the walls instead. But it's Friday, I'm in love. I love that Robert Smith has said something about this song. He says it's a really good chord progression. I couldn't believe anyone else had used it and I asked so many people at the time. He kept thinking I must have stolen this from somewhere. I'm gonna put this up, it's just too good. And he went on a mission to find out, like if he accidentally stole this song from someone else. And he said I asked everyone I knew I'd phone people up and sing it and go have you heard this before? What's it called? And then go no, no, I've never heard it. And on the same album there were songs which I'd slaved over and I thought at the time they were infinitely better. But Friday is probably the song of the Wish album. That's the song he says. So I don't know. It's like gushing, happy, excited over the moon. New crush, love, yay, finally get to see them. It's Friday, I'm in love.
0:58:41 - TherapyJeff
Yeah.
0:58:41 - Tara
Can't get enough of this stuff. It's Friday, I'm in love.
0:58:46 - Natalie
Great lyrics. It's such a fun song.
0:58:49 - TherapyJeff
I think I when I was let's see. So it came out in 92, so I was 11. I think for a while I thought it was about like the days of the week and which days he loved the most, which maybe is part of it. That works too, but, and I also love a song that names the days of the week. But yeah, it is very sweet, incredibly catchy.
0:59:14 - Tara
Yeah.
0:59:16 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this. No notes on this song. That's so good.
0:59:20 - Tara
Yeah, there is maybe one slight creepy element to it.
0:59:24 - TherapyJeff
Oh, what's that?
0:59:25 - Tara
Oh, what is that? It's such a gorgeous sight to see you eat in the middle of the night.
0:59:32 - TherapyJeff
I mean, it depends how you take that or what you want to do with it, although I'm not sure there's. What is he? I mean? Is he like spying on you while you're eating, is it like?
0:59:41 - Natalie
a metaphor for something else that you're eating. Are you on Ambien? What's going on? I?
0:59:46 - TherapyJeff
don't know.
0:59:49 - Tara
But yeah, you could take that anyway. But also it's like I just think you're so cute, even when you're eating late nights snacks, like you're just the cutest that is pretty sweet. That's the kind of love you want.
1:00:00 - TherapyJeff
Exactly, yeah, again, that's a bop. Yeah, very sing-songy and makes you happy, good pick.
1:00:07 - Tara
Okay. Well, for number one, I'm going to take a total left turn and really I think you're going to be satisfied with this one, jeff. This Massey star fade into you. This one was like the first song I thought of for doing a 90s love song thing, but like it doesn't have the same love, happy vibes as the rest of the songs for sure.
1:00:46 - TherapyJeff
No, it's very vibe-y.
1:00:48 - Tara
It's very vibe-y and almost like could be potentially sad yeah.
1:00:52 - TherapyJeff
Is it not sad? Is it about?
1:00:54 - Tara
I think it's sad kind of.
But we'll go there, we'll explore. It's from their second studio album, so Tonight that I Might See in 1993. And, like I said, I put this one at the top because it's like the first one I thought of. But it could mean either that she sees more in her love than they see in themselves. When she says I look to you, I see nothing. I like to see the truth. But then again, when she says, fade into you, seems like maybe she's become so obsessed that she sort of lost herself in this other person. I'm not sure.
1:01:28 - TherapyJeff
That's how I took it is that she's lost herself in this person and she's lost and she's like helpless or powerless over it. But I don't think I've ever really like thought about these lyrics because it's so vibe-y and it's the mood, it's like the. It's just, it's such a feeling song and the lyrics go along with it. But it's a real experience and I haven't really like dissected it before but like, oh God, it's just, it's really nostalgic, it takes you back, everything sort of slows down. It's really beautiful.
1:02:06 - Tara
Mm-hmm. There's so many ways you could look at this song because in another way you could look at it. And she says I look to you and I see nothing. I look to you to see the truth. You live your life. You go in shadows, like maybe the truth is also this realization that she can't look to someone else to make her happy.
1:02:25 - TherapyJeff
Mm-hmm.
1:02:26 - Tara
Or it's her just revealing to her crush that she likes him, because there's that part where she says I think it's strange, you never knew.
1:02:35 - TherapyJeff
Mm-hmm.
1:02:36 - Tara
And like when I look into you guys, I see nothing is like. Can't you tell him like crazy about you over here, mm-hmm, you can't see the truth. It's weird that you didn't. It's weird that you don't know this, like I'm so obvious about it.
1:02:47 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, and I feel like there she's tortured about it, like there's like a tortured sort of feel, yeah, yeah, but it's also got like a lullaby sort of feeling to it.
1:02:57 - Natalie
Yeah, definitely, mm-hmm, mazzy Star is the soporific queen for sure. I'm shocked. Y'all even zeroed in on lyrics. I think I missed the Mazzy Star train because, like this time in the 90s, I was deep into my techno bag. Oh yeah, and so this was just way too sleepy for me. Like the first time I heard her was on the Batman Return soundtrack another amazing soundtrack.
1:03:18 - TherapyJeff
Mm-hmm.
1:03:19 - Natalie
And she had a song on there. It's a tell me now and I'm like I can't hear anything she's saying. It was just like I couldn't hang with it. So funny. But I thought she had a cool sound. I just I just really didn't give it a chance. Maybe I should. I don't know. Are you a Mazzy Star fan or is this like just the song?
1:03:34 - Tara
Because I knew this song that I didn't like Delvin to other stuff. Give you my love it yeah.
1:03:39 - Natalie
So good. Yeah, I missed her whole thing. Yeah, I should go back and check it out.
1:03:42 - Tara
I didn't get to my techno bag till late 90s, when it was like on subterranean and like MTV two more often.
1:03:50 - Natalie
Mm-hmm.
1:03:51 - Tara
MTV Amped Right right, this is 93. I was like 13. Mm-hmm.
1:03:56 - Natalie
I was a very hyper dance music kid all the way Amazing.
1:04:00 - Tara
Well, that's my number one, that's my list.
1:04:03 - Natalie
Sweet, that's my last, very, very alt, very Tara, I love it.
1:04:06 - Tara
Yeah, I know, it was like. I feel like our list definitely did tell a lot about us in a sense. Should we do a quick run through of our honorable mentions?
1:04:15 - Natalie
Sure, Our esteemed guests, you first.
1:04:17 - TherapyJeff
Sure Okay. So honorable mention was November Rain by Guns N' Roses.
1:04:24 - Natalie
Yes, wow, I'm not mad at that.
1:04:27 - TherapyJeff
Also. I mean that like it's a nine minute song, the video was epic. There's like three guitar solos or something in there. Like it's like it's very dramatic. So November Rain and then Sad though. What's that?
1:04:44 - Tara
Nothing lasts forever, I know I know.
1:04:48 - TherapyJeff
And then another fun one was Only Want to Be With you by Hootie and the Blowfish.
1:04:55 - Tara
Yeah, that's cute.
1:04:56 - TherapyJeff
Right, that's kind of cute. I like that one yeah.
1:04:58 - Tara
Yeah, it's a cute love song.
1:05:00 - TherapyJeff
And then Stay. By Lisa Loeb.
1:05:02 - Natalie
Yes, oh yeah, that's a good one. It's a good one. Love Stay.
1:05:06 - TherapyJeff
And then my last honorable mention is I don't know if it's somewhat of a deeper cut for Weezer, but it's off their Pinkerton album Across the Sea.
1:05:15 - Tara
Yes, right. Why are you so far away from me?
1:05:18 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, oh, so sad. That Pinkerton album was like got a little, got some pushback of like ah, this feels misogynistic vibes, but I really I really liked that Across the Sea there's a lot of actually good love songs on the Pinkerton album. He was very sad when he wrote that album.
1:05:41 - Tara
And it was very good. It's a great one. I had Lenny Kravitz it Ain't Over Till it's Over, garbage number one crush from Romeo and Juliet's own track. Yeah, I know that was almost.
1:05:52 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, that's good.
1:05:54 - Tara
You too. All I Want Is you Yola Tango. You Can have it All. Pale Saints, kinky Love. That one's the maybe more erotic one of my songs.
1:06:06 - Natalie
What about you, natalie? Okay, can you guys just humor me, and let me speed through 10 song titles.
1:06:11 - TherapyJeff
Do I.
1:06:11 - Natalie
Really fast Go, you ready yeah.
1:06:13 - Tara
Rapid fire.
1:06:14 - Natalie
Janet Jackson again. Seal Kiss From a Rose Shot. Ain't Ordinary Love, mr Big, to Be With you. Vanessa Williams, Save the Best for Last 112. Cupid Six Pints. None the Rich or Kiss Me Shy If I Ever Fall in Love. Brian Adams, have you Ever Really Loved A Woman? Casey and JoJo, all my Life. Selenity on the Power of Love. I don't know how many that was, but I'll stop there.
1:06:29 - TherapyJeff
Oh my God, those are all so good. I knew every single one, and they all had a unique feeling.
1:06:35 - Natalie
Yes, I was so sad to not include any of them on my list.
1:06:39 - TherapyJeff
You should be.
1:06:40 - Tara
As soon as you got to Vanessa Williams, save the Best for Last I blanked out on the rest of the list. Oh God.
1:06:46 - Natalie
I love that song so much.
1:06:48 - Tara
I had that CD too. That's so funny.
1:06:50 - Natalie
I think that might have been the first pop song I ran out and bought sheet music for, because I had to learn how to play it on the piano.
1:06:55 - TherapyJeff
Amazing, I was going to guess that Seal was going to be on your top five, so I'm glad that that Seal was considered, definitely, he was lurking.
1:07:05 - Natalie
Yeah, okay, thank you. I feel a little bit better, okay good.
1:07:08 - Tara
Well, thank you so much, Jeff, for playing this high-fidelity game with us again. Yeah.
1:07:13 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I always love stopping by the record store chatting up with you. Yeah.
1:07:17 - Tara
Although I don't know, I felt like a continuation of breakup songs.
1:07:21 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I think that's exactly what it is and I was just like fuck it, I'm going to lean into it. Breakup songs and love songs feel like the same songs to me and I'm going to own it. And is it a red flag? Probably whatever. But that's just sort of what my heart resonates with. You know, I'm going to own it.
1:07:38 - Tara
Yeah, no, it's great, and I can't wait to hear your new podcast, big Dating, energy, and the other new one.
1:07:45 - TherapyJeff
Called Problem.
1:07:45 - Tara
Solved. Problem Solved.
1:07:47 - TherapyJeff
Yeah.
1:07:48 - Tara
And I definitely need to pre-order your book. When does that come out again?
1:07:52 - TherapyJeff
July 9th. But yeah, pre-order it right now and get it off of your to-do list. You're going to love that. And we can pre-order that at your website At my website therapyjeffcom, or Amazon or Barnes Noble wherever you buy your books.
1:08:06 - Natalie
Awesome. Thank you so much Making time to come chat with us. It's been so much fun.
1:08:10 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, I can't wait to come back for another 90s themed top five.
1:08:16 - Natalie
Yeah, we'll never run out of topics with the 90s, that's for sure. Yeah.
1:08:19 - Tara
Yeah, I'll have to think of what's the next one 90s soundtracks. I know it would be at the top.
1:08:25 - TherapyJeff
Yeah, yeah, there would be a lot of overlap there for 90s soundtracks probably.
1:08:29 - Tara
Definitely. It would be like the Crow, bramway and Juliet.
1:08:32 - Natalie
Yeah, angus, give it away now. Don't give it away now.
1:08:34 - Tara
I know we're just doing it now. Okay, okay, okay, okay. What's up, what's up? All right Okay. Let's close up. Yeah it's late. All right, have a good night, bye, bye, everyone.
1:08:54 - TherapyJeff
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