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Refrigerator Moms is an autism podcast by and for autism moms, hosted by Kelley Jensen and Julianna Scott.
Born from 20 years of friendship, during which they navigated the trenches of autism parenting and advocacy, the Refrigerator Moms is Kelley Jensen and Julianna Scott’s way of reaching out to parents waging the same battles they were. Their purpose with this podcast is to clear the fog, silence the noise, and find a path through neurodivergence for parents that are stuck between bad choices. They tackle parenting topics such as mom guilt, tantrums, pathological demand avoidance, siblings, medication, comorbidities, social media, and much more.
Julianna Scott 00:00
AI and autism helpful or not so much. Today on the Refrigerator Moms.
Julianna Scott 00:10
Hi, I'm Juliana. I'm here with my friend Kelly.
Kelley Jensen 00:12
Hello.
Julianna Scott 00:13
And I went to the Stanford Neurodiversity Summit where the talk was, a lot of talk was about AI.
Kelley Jensen 00:23
So I feel like there's just a lot of talk about AI.
Julianna Scott 00:26
AI and everything. Yes, Every topic can connect to AI.
Kelley Jensen 00:31
Six degrees of AI.
Julianna Scott 00:32
Not even six. I'd say half.
Kelley Jensen 00:34
Oh, God. So it does. Is this an exciting time for autism research for autism intervention? What?
Julianna Scott 00:43
What is it?
Kelley Jensen 00:44
What did we learn?
Julianna Scott 00:44
So, okay, so I went to this summit and it wasn't all AI. There was other stuff, but it did come up a lot. And maybe that's because we're in Silicon Valley, I don't know, but. Or maybe it's just because, like we were saying, AI is everywhere. But it did make me wonder what all is out there beyond the summit. So first I'll tell you like a couple things that are being talked about now in the world of AI and autism, and then I'll tell you about some of the speakers at the summit.
Julianna Scott 01:13
So one of the things out there is AI video screening for toddlers. So there's an app.
Kelley Jensen 01:20
Of course there's an app.
Julianna Scott 01:21
Of course there is. You can download it for free.
Julianna Scott 01:26
So there's a Sense to Know app. So a lot of these are just in testing phases. So lots of research being done. And again, you can go, I'll put in the show notes or you can go to our website, refrigeratormoms.com and I'll put some notes so you can see some of these things. And the research being done. This app shows stimuli and uses computer vision and machine learning to quantify behavioral signs like facial expressions, gaze patterns, head movements, blink rate, and a bubble popping game to assess motor skills.
Julianna Scott 02:00
What do you think?
Kelley Jensen 02:01
So, and that is for diagnostic purposes?
Julianna Scott 02:04
Yeah. So there's an algorithm and it's combining digital phenotypes.
Kelley Jensen 02:11
I just feel like it is self diagnosis.
Julianna Scott 02:15
You think there's a bias? Well, I don't know. So it showed high diagnostic accuracy. So the app was tested on 475 toddlers in the 17 to 36 month age range and 49 were later diagnosed with autism, 98 with developmental delays without autism.
Julianna Scott 02:34
So I guess, kind of interesting.
Kelley Jensen 02:35
The question that I have is the question about diagnosis in general. It seems to be a lost art in the sense that, I mean, I know you and I talk about the extensive process of getting our children assessed and that went on for days. And now I Feel like it's done over the phone. It's, you know, just kind of slap dash.
Kelley Jensen 03:00
Yeah. So maybe this would be an improvement.
Julianna Scott 03:02
Well, I don't think anyone is suggesting that these be standalone. So they're saying, along with, like, caregiver questionnaires and things like that it might increase autism screening accuracy and help with access. That's a big thing, is access to diagnosis.
Kelley Jensen 03:21
Yeah.
Julianna Scott 03:22
So it's framed as kind of low barrier and scalable, but that's like a lot of these things, like, you know. Yeah. Take an online quiz when you're older. I mean, you can't with a toddler, I guess, but. So there's no special hardware. You can use it at home and. I don't know.
Kelley Jensen 03:37
So if you're a worried parent, you can just go ahead and feed that worry. Right.
Julianna Scott 03:43
AI will tell you your kid is probably autistic.
Kelley Jensen 03:45
Oh, yeah.
Julianna Scott 03:46
Fantastic.
Kelley Jensen 03:47
What could go wrong? Yeah.
Julianna Scott 03:49
So that's one of the things that's out there and there. I mean, that's not the only one.
Kelley Jensen 03:53
That's a local startup.
Julianna Scott 03:55
No, I don't. No, I think they're out at Duke. So that's being done. All right. Okay, next one. VR for social skills. What do you think of virtual reality?
Kelley Jensen 04:09
Well, for me, I can't put those glasses on. I want to throw up.
Julianna Scott 04:14
Oh, do you get sick?
Kelley Jensen 04:16
Yes. So I don't know. You get a kid that has big sensory needs. Right, that. Yes, Bo shares.
Julianna Scott 04:22
Sensory needs are a factor. Yes, yes.
Kelley Jensen 04:25
Beau shares that with me where we're easily dizzied, and I think it would be a. I don't think it'd be great.
Julianna Scott 04:32
So the research being done on VR is. It helps sometimes for high functioning kids. Can we say that, like, level one?
Kelley Jensen 04:42
All right. Okay.
Julianna Scott 04:43
And less so on the profoundly autistic, which kind of makes sense because a lot of times they're using it for social skills. Although, like, why does it need to be virtual?
Kelley Jensen 04:54
Well, I don't know. I mean, how is that. I'm gonna say. No, that would not. No, because the whole thing is about human connection. How is that gonna fight autism's loneliness, which we talk about all the time, is the biggest.
Julianna Scott 05:09
Well, it's about emotional regulation, too, so it's not just about that. So it's showing gains in complex emotional regulation and social interaction, which, again, like, social interaction through VR. Isn't that contradictory?
Kelley Jensen 05:24
I guess if it was helping you explain. Okay, I'm going to an event tonight. I'm so nervous. I have such high anxiety. What can I expect with some tips and tricks for, for getting through the night without, you know, having a meltdown. Because I'm so nervous. I, I think I can understand that because there have been times when I have wondered if I could only walk both through what the event is going to be like. I could increase his tolerance for it if you knew what to expect. So I guess in that regard I could see where it would be useful.
Julianna Scott 05:53
It's kind of like a VR social story.
Kelley Jensen 05:56
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
Julianna Scott 05:57
Yeah, right? Yeah.
Kelley Jensen 06:00
Unless, you know, it didn't go exactly as the virtual reality simulator went. And then we had a meltdown because what was supposed to happen didn't happen.
Julianna Scott 06:09
I know. Well, just as you pointed out, the adverse effects are dizziness, fatigue, especially with the immersive VR.
Kelley Jensen 06:17
Yeah.
Julianna Scott 06:18
So that's not great. So the recommendations for people promoting this as therapists use it as a compliment to traditional therapy with gradual exposure to limit the sensory overload. And educators use it in controlled settings with training. And developers should prioritize cost effective and customizable accessible platforms. So access seems to be. I don't know, I kind of feel like that's not the excuse to do it.
Julianna Scott 06:45
Yeah, but I get the need. I get the need that especially we talk about the lack of therapists and things like that, but is, is this.
Julianna Scott 06:56
It's not a substitute.
Kelley Jensen 06:57
No.
Julianna Scott 06:58
So I don't know. I don't know.
Kelley Jensen 07:00
Verdict's out on that one.
Julianna Scott 07:02
Okay, so no on VR and maybe on the diagnosing through an app, I'm gonna say so far,
Kelley Jensen 07:13
maybe in certain limited situations. VR maybe possibly certain limited situations. Okay. Heavily skewed towards no.
Julianna Scott 07:22
Okay, how about this one? Wearables for sensory overload. So this is focusing on physiological stress monitoring. So heart rate variability, heart rate, respiration rate and blood pressure. And the goal is an early warning of anxiety attacks or challenging behavior so caregivers can intervene before an escalation.
Kelley Jensen 07:46
Well, I think that my son could learn to use something like that to self regulate. So I think that if he was something that he could wear, he's pretty tech savvy. And yeah, that, that kind of stuff seems to help him. I can see where like, oh, I'm, I'm. It might vibrate and that might get
Julianna Scott 08:02
his attention that he's needs to calm, like do some sort of calming technique,
Kelley Jensen 08:07
go take a break or yeah, I feel like, yeah, I feel like he would do well with that. I don't know that it would help me. The thing that I'm hesitant for is. Okay, so the caregiver I mean, I can already feel it coming on after so many years of being around him.
Julianna Scott 08:27
And I don't need a device to know when anxiety is.
Kelley Jensen 08:31
You can see those eyes roll a little bit, and you're like, oh, it's coming.
Julianna Scott 08:34
Even when they're quiet. I know.
Kelley Jensen 08:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But I do feel like something he could use, he could learn to use.
Julianna Scott 08:42
Yeah. That's interesting.
Kelley Jensen 08:42
Yeah.
Julianna Scott 08:43
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Julianna Scott 09:10
So. And another, a secondary application was in sports settings for children with autism to improve safety. So, like, if they are starting to, I guess their heart rate goes up too high or do something like that, they're not able to communicate.
Kelley Jensen 09:24
Are they prone to. I mean, Bo feels his heart rate going up, he'll just stop.
Julianna Scott 09:30
No. Like, they're not pushing through.
Kelley Jensen 09:32
There's no way he's gonna be like, no, I'm finishing this marathon. He'll be like, nap
Julianna Scott 09:39
maybe. There's probably something more nuanced to that, but I, I don't think that's.
Kelley Jensen 09:44
I don't know. I, I think I can see that it may be a good tool for self regulation.
Julianna Scott 09:48
But again, back to the sensory thing. A lot of people don't. A lot of autistic people with sensory issues don't want to wear something like that.
Kelley Jensen 09:55
Yeah. Would be a great thing if they could desensitize to it for a lot of good reasons. So I, I, I say to keep on that one. Keep on refining that one. Okay.
Julianna Scott 10:06
All right. Aren't there already things that measure your apple watch?
Kelley Jensen 10:10
Right.
Julianna Scott 10:10
Yeah.
Kelley Jensen 10:14
It's not that it can't, but to training the autistic person what to do with it. I mean, again, it's not a substitute for therapy, but. Oh, your heart rate is spiking. You know, I could see Beau liking the number, seeing the number go up, and then that's his cue to go take a break.
Julianna Scott 10:29
Okay, that reminded me. So one of my son's therapists gave us this card. It was basically like a mood ring, you know, like, have you seen those little cards? Like, they're mood cards. It's like extremely anxious, whatever. And I'm sure it's based on your heat Right, Yes. And so we all got them. It was family therapy for him. And so we all had these cards and I always kept it. I was always in the, like the second one down.
Kelley Jensen 10:56
Oh, yeah. Sometimes they have stuff like that for blood pressure check so you can quickly monitor your blood pressure so I can see it.
Julianna Scott 11:02
But it's kind of the same thing. Yeah, it is. Like how about a mood ring?
Kelley Jensen 11:06
Yeah.
Julianna Scott 11:08
Like in the last episode we were talking about, I want to bring back the phone booth instead of of cell phones. Now I want to bring back a mood ring instead of some high tech gadget.
Kelley Jensen 11:18
You know what, maybe that'll be our first merch. Oh, RM merch would be a mood ring.
Julianna Scott 11:23
Yeah.
Kelley Jensen 11:23
That we wear on the middle finger.
Julianna Scott 11:27
I love it. Okay, so that, that's all kind of when I was poking around, looking at AI out in the world.
Kelley Jensen 11:33
Wait a minute.
Julianna Scott 11:34
This.
Kelley Jensen 11:36
That's it for AI?
Julianna Scott 11:37
No, I'm going to talk about the summit because there's other things that happened at the summit. These were other things.
Kelley Jensen 11:42
Yes. But to me the, the biggest potential of AI and autism is genetic testing.
Julianna Scott 11:47
And what could happen, I did not find that.
Kelley Jensen 11:50
Just goes to show you.
Julianna Scott 11:51
Yeah.
Kelley Jensen 11:52
Nobody, I mean, doesn't sound like big money is being spent on this. This sounds like a flash in the pants again, some stuff already.
Julianna Scott 11:59
They're small studies or their startups, but
Kelley Jensen 12:02
what we really need is we really need genetic mutation testing and gene therapy. And it's my understanding that AI can really help with that.
Julianna Scott 12:10
Well, if anybody knows of any research, let us know. That would be interesting.
Kelley Jensen 12:14
That's what we'd love to see.
Julianna Scott 12:16
Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so then to the Stanford Neurodiversity Summit that I went to. Very interesting. So one of the keynotes was using artificial intelligence to improve social communication. Which makes sense.
Kelley Jensen 12:28
Yeah.
Julianna Scott 12:28
You know. Okay, so chatbots. So this is one that's coming out. Nora, her name is Nora and she is a chatbot. And she coaches real time social skills, like asking questions, giving compliments and responding empathetically, which I don't know is how that's different than like clot or chat. But she has breasts.
Kelley Jensen 12:54
I don't know.
Julianna Scott 12:56
I don't know. So it's, I mean, obviously there's a need of knowing what to say when coworkers are telling you about their weekend. This was all in the kind of the employment, also the employment realm telling you about their weekend. And it's a social skill that many take for granted. So it's basically role playing. So that's again, back to therapy.
Kelley Jensen 13:17
I mean, it's a virtual therapist.
Julianna Scott 13:19
It's a virtual therapist.
Kelley Jensen 13:20
Virtual social skills.
Julianna Scott 13:21
Yes. Research has shown that practicing social interactions with professionals in a clinical face to face intervention can improve outcomes. So they're like, why can't we do this? Because of access. We'll just do this through a chatbot. So apparently, they did do this. And those who went through Nora. So here's an example. So Nora would say, my partner surprised me with a romantic weekend getaway. When I say this, do I sound positive, neutral, or negative?
Kelley Jensen 13:53
Well, did you like it?
Julianna Scott 13:55
Well, no.
Kelley Jensen 13:56
I mean, you should never pretend you liked something that you didn't like. Is that what Nora's saying?
Julianna Scott 14:00
No. So Nora is saying that this. Like she's pretending. And then you would say, like. So as the autistic person, you would say positive, neutral, or negative. So. Yeah, good point.
Kelley Jensen 14:11
I mean, Nora, that's a stupid question. I need more information.
Julianna Scott 14:15
So I have questions. Do you like your spouse, your partner?
Kelley Jensen 14:20
Did you like the weekend?
Julianna Scott 14:21
Do you like surprises?
Kelley Jensen 14:23
Did you want to go? That's a really good question. Thank you.
Julianna Scott 14:26
But this person. So the response, the person is positive. And Nora says, that's right. How would you reply to me? And the person says, that's awesome to hear. Did you enjoy it? Well, now they're asking.
Kelley Jensen 14:44
Now they're asking.
Julianna Scott 14:46
And then she says, good reply. You're engaging in the conversation by showing enthusiasm about my surprise getaway and asking if I enjoyed it. This shows that you're interested in what I have to say.
Kelley Jensen 14:54
But can you ask Nora what happened if I hated it and didn't want to be there? How do I. Yeah. Tactfully, effectively communicate that without hurting someone's feelings? I mean, that is where the nuance is.
Julianna Scott 15:07
Well, Nora is the one going on vacation.
Kelley Jensen 15:10
Nora is going on vacation.
Julianna Scott 15:11
Nora is the one.
Kelley Jensen 15:12
Oh. Oh, I see. Oh, I see. Oh, okay. All right.
Julianna Scott 15:17
Nora is. Nora's partner. Took her away.
Kelley Jensen 15:21
Check the box.
Julianna Scott 15:22
Right.
Kelley Jensen 15:22
Acquaintance. Check the box. Question.
Julianna Scott 15:24
Yeah, like, this is like water cooler. Hey, whatever. So there's a. Yeah. So Nora will give this leading statement, and then you have to show empathy and interest.
Kelley Jensen 15:34
My question to that is an addition. Now that I fully get it. Do you need that?
Julianna Scott 15:42
This sounds like masking.
Kelley Jensen 15:44
It does sound like mask. Like.
Julianna Scott 15:46
Like you're teaching masking.
Kelley Jensen 15:47
Like. Yes. I mean, I guess my qu. I guess depends on the person and if that was something that they found useful.
Julianna Scott 15:54
Well, and I. And. And quite a few of the talks at the summit were around employment, and so I think this is a Lot of fear of those on the spectrum was going into the workplace and not understanding the social situation.
Julianna Scott 16:12
And so this was sort of. Well, you can use NORA to kind of workshop some of the things that you might say to your co workers.
Kelley Jensen 16:18
Got it, got it.
Julianna Scott 16:19
So it did. So in this trial, it was very small trial. So it did say that people were helped by it. By,
Kelley Jensen 16:33
I mean, I guess that is gonna be highly personalized to the person and what they're trying to accomplish and what they want for themselves. And I mean, I can see where just black. Some black and white thinkers need tell me what to say is.
Julianna Scott 16:45
Is a. I also don't understand why you just couldn't ask Claude or chat like, hey, give me some scenarios that I might encounter.
Kelley Jensen 16:55
Because this is different. This is a different startup. They want their.
Julianna Scott 17:01
Okay, so moving on to another one. It was about virtual reality and AI applications for childhood health conditions. So your favorite VR. Okay, so this talk framed VR as a tool for creating highly interactive experiences while measuring individual responses paired with AI, supporting the understanding of individual differences and building more personalized support.
Julianna Scott 17:24
So they're just. So this person has been doing a lot of VR research, but he was representing this group called Cognitive Leap, and it's a neuroscience company building technology enabled assessment and individualized training for neurodivergent individuals deployed across hospitals, clinics, schools and homes.
Julianna Scott 17:47
That's their mission. Hmm. So again, I don't know. So all of this sounds like it's human. It's virtual human role playing scenarios letting autistic children and young adults practice social, vocational and job interview skills in a low stakes setting.
Kelley Jensen 18:04
All it sounds to me is we have a shortage of therapists.
Julianna Scott 18:10
Yeah, we need humans. We don't have humans.
Kelley Jensen 18:13
We don't have humans. So let's do this instead.
Julianna Scott 18:16
Right?
Kelley Jensen 18:17
I don't know. It's gonna work for some people and it's not gonna work for some people, I guess. And it's a poor substitute for human contact.
Julianna Scott 18:25
Yeah, I guess at this point I'm going to be obvious here. Just share my fear that this is just going to ultimately backfire.
Kelley Jensen 18:37
What could go wrong?
Julianna Scott 18:40
I think I feel like. Do you feel like we're just putting another screen in front of somebody when human interaction, like the core deficit is human gut connection.
Kelley Jensen 18:53
Right.
Julianna Scott 18:53
Again, going back to the NORA example where what about tone, what about, what if nora, real life NORA said, ugh, my partner took me to this surprise romantic getaway, you know, and instead of like, oh my gosh, my partner took me on this romantic getaway right There it's like, how do you know what you're responding to?
Julianna Scott 19:18
And I think that that's just cementing the deficit. It's not really.
Kelley Jensen 19:23
Well, I guess it depends on. I guess Nora could ask the same question, six different intonations. And then would be this person's happy.
Julianna Scott 19:33
Right. This person. I guess the, the generous take on it would be like when we used pictures to show our kids like happy, sad, like these are facial expressions. Yeah. But I also think a human can do that.
Kelley Jensen 19:50
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Kelley Jensen 20:18
well, I mean it. Playing charades with those pecs was a vital part.
Julianna Scott 20:21
Right.
Kelley Jensen 20:21
You know, helping those emotions come to
Julianna Scott 20:24
life and having to show me. Yes, show me this, show me that.
Kelley Jensen 20:28
It's all about human connection and human communication and communication of feelings. And so if these hacks help bring that to life, great. I just feel like they're just fancy pecs at the end of the day. Right.
Julianna Scott 20:39
I mean, you know, we're about to.
Kelley Jensen 20:43
In the Silicon Valley, we're dealing with this new movie coming out, the Reckoning. Social Reckoning. Right?
Julianna Scott 20:48
Yeah. Yeah. The follow up to the Social Network.
Kelley Jensen 20:50
Yes. I wonder if 10 years from now we'll be watching the AI Reckoning movie. So if we're going to go the way of it, this is this, you know, second coming of Christ and we're going to ride the wave of the way we rode the wave of social media only to find out that it was disingenuous and not really all that good for us. And now we're stuck with it.
Julianna Scott 21:09
Right, right. I mean there's on the hopeful note in this that there was one group, it was a nonprofit accelerator run by and for entrepreneurs with disabilities.
Julianna Scott 21:22
So they were talking about, you know, giving those on the spectrum opportunity in this whole world of, you know, so that was one thing kind of startup feeding a feeder.
Julianna Scott 21:38
There was another one, there was another app called Mindly and that was pitched for patient facing app plus clinician facing dashboard for treatment. Like we've heard about these things. It's like using video logs that clinicians rate for symptom improvement paired with journal logs.
Julianna Scott 21:57
It's helpful to track progress instead of having an Old fashioned binder. You're creating video logs, trying to substitute
Kelley Jensen 22:06
therapists and humans doing their jobs.
Julianna Scott 22:09
And they're saying it's like, oh, clinicians will be able to archive all of this information.
Kelley Jensen 22:14
A clinician can have 5,000 cases now because she'll be able to see so many more people and give them five minutes of her attention.
Julianna Scott 22:21
Right. So they're saying that it's cost effective and it reduces the burden on families, improving clinical decision making because you've got all this data and then you can see what you can learn from all this data.
Julianna Scott 22:35
But I don't know. So again, there was, there were the usual kinds of panel discussions about employment and using AI to help with like interview skills, all that kind of stuff, kind of general things, that kind of low risk.
Kelley Jensen 22:50
Did anybody push back on any of this? Was there any opposing.
Julianna Scott 22:54
I didn't hear any. I, you know, I didn't go into most of the talks, had a follow up breakout session. So if you wanted to continue the conversation in a smaller group setting, you could do that. And I only went to a couple of those, but they were about other topics. But that's, I'm going to guess, not a lot of pushback.
Kelley Jensen 23:11
What at Stanford, in the middle of this sandhill road?
Julianna Scott 23:16
What?
Kelley Jensen 23:16
I'm shocked there would not be any.
Julianna Scott 23:19
No, it was a lot of like AI as a learning partner. That was another one using AI for personalized learning for teachers. So overall the sessions described AI as a support that extends human, you know, it helps humans, it doesn't substitute for humans time.
Kelley Jensen 23:39
With humans you can be more human.
Julianna Scott 23:41
But again, I think that is a little naive.
Kelley Jensen 23:43
Yeah, you think?
Julianna Scott 23:46
I do think.
Kelley Jensen 23:47
Oh yeah, I'm not buying it.
Julianna Scott 23:50
Well, it's the world we live in.
Kelley Jensen 23:52
It is and we're all going to, it is very important to give your time to that what serves you and not what doesn't serve you. So if you know these AI tools do not serve you, don't buy them. They won't sell them to you if they don't, if you don't buy them. So if you don't think they're going to work for you, don't buy them. That's my advice to the healthcare consumer.
Julianna Scott 24:15
Right. And like any other thing you're using AI for, I mean don't use it as a substitute for your own critical thinking skills. But if it's, you know, AI is
Kelley Jensen 24:25
best for people who already know what they're doing, it is not best for people who are novices that are going to take what it has to say and not be able to fact check it.
Julianna Scott 24:36
Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, it's.
Kelley Jensen 24:38
Yeah, it is where we are.
Julianna Scott 24:39
It's not even the future. It's here. It's the present.
Kelley Jensen 24:41
It is. We navigate it every day.
Julianna Scott 24:43
All right.
Kelley Jensen 24:43
All right, what's next?
Julianna Scott 24:45
That's it.
Kelley Jensen 24:45
That's it. That's it. I know you had some interesting talks there about pathological demand avoidance.
Julianna Scott 24:53
Yeah, lots of interesting talks. I met a lot of really interesting people there, all working on different things. Some were in education, some were in kind of this startup space. Some were in occupational therapy, speech therapy. All over the map. Parents, providers, the whole thing.
Kelley Jensen 25:13
But you said that other than AI, you didn't think there was a whole lot of.
Julianna Scott 25:16
There's a lot of higher education things that. That was really interesting. I went quite a few of those. And employment.
Kelley Jensen 25:21
Employment.
Julianna Scott 25:22
And so more about adults, I would say. Well, that's good.
Kelley Jensen 25:27
Which. We need information on that.
Julianna Scott 25:28
Yeah. Yeah. But it was great to be in person, which was kind of lovely, and to connect with other people and have those conversations, because it's only in person that we get to really hear what people are thinking and what they're doing. And I guess that's kind of a nice way to end this episode about AI is what I really loved about this summit, wasn't necessarily what I got out of it.
Julianna Scott 25:55
The information, it was really connecting with the other people in our autism community.
Kelley Jensen 25:59
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Julianna Scott 26:05
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Julianna Scott 26:14
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Julianna Scott 26:29
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