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We’re back with a brand-new season of The Shrink Down - the podcast where pop culture, current events, and everyday life get a psychologist’s perspective! In this kickoff episode, we catch up on what we’ve been up to this summer, share our “4 Minute Faves” (quick hits of what we’re loving right now), and dive into some of the buzziest news and social media stories — from the Coldplay cheating scandal and the empowering messages K-Pop is sending to kids, to Travis and Taylor’s engagement and the ever-debated differences in attraction between men and women. We’re kicking off the season with laughs, insight, and plenty of fresh conversation.
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What is The Shrink Down?
Four lifelong friends, all clinical psychologists, unpack the latest in current events, pop culture and celebrity news through the lens of psychology.
Vanessa (00:00.782)
Welcome back to the Shrinkdown. Today we are going to be starting off with just kind of chatting. We usually behind the scenes before we record, we start to chat a little bit about how things are going, kind of just catch up. But today we thought we would share that with you. So we'll go around in a minute, talk about our summers, how things were while we were taking a break. Then we'll do our four minute faves, which is, I feel like a lot of people's favorite. And then we're gonna do our pop culture roundup, which we did last season, I think two or three times. Yeah, I think it was about that time.
Lauren (00:21.757)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (00:25.736)
Ice?
Lauren (00:26.695)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (00:27.99)
about that many times. And this is where we'll each kind of just pick a topic or something we've seen on social media or in the news. And we'll kind of just spend 10 minutes each just chatting about whatever that topic is. So before we get into our faves and our roundup, ladies, how do you feel being back to life podcast?
Wilhelmina (00:48.189)
I was really excited. I felt like I had like
Teri (00:48.286)
I, yeah, I'm feeling great that my kids are back in school, which I know is cliche, but.
Lauren (00:53.149)
was gonna say coincides with like going back to a schedule, which I love.
Wilhelmina (00:53.429)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Teri (00:56.96)
Yes, feeling good.
Wilhelmina (00:57.569)
Yeah, the lack of structure in the summer is just horrific for me. I'm like, me.
Vanessa (01:00.76)
Yeah, I think for.
Vanessa (01:05.944)
Well, it's like, even though, even though like, so we send our daughter to camp, so it's like, kind of like school day, I still feel like it's not the same as being in school. Like for some reason, it just feels different, even though like she's got something to do every day. And then of course, like all the activities kind of stop in the summer. So there's not that then like pick up from school, get you there, get you there, happening as much in the summer. So I don't know if that's also why it feels so different too, even if your kid's like doing something every day in the summer.
Lauren (01:17.544)
Yeah.
Lauren (01:27.751)
Yeah.
Vanessa (01:34.926)
But yeah, it's been quite an adjustment the last two weeks getting back to schedule, doing all the mental math. I think I text you guys about that. Just, oh my gosh. Okay, if I gotta be there at four, then I have to leave at 3.30. And I gotta make sure I do this, walk the dog at 3.15. Yeah, so.
Wilhelmina (01:43.316)
yeah.
Lauren (01:43.895)
Right, the backward math.
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (01:53.986)
the activities. I was talking to my husband and he was like, we were saying that September, like from mid August to mid September is like the third busiest month with all of the back to school prepping and then the curriculum night, meet the teachers, all of that. Then our school does like a fall carnival and all that. I'm like, could we have maybe like one last activity because it's a lot.
Lauren (02:07.237)
It's a lot. Yeah.
Vanessa (02:22.382)
Please spread it out. How was everyone's summer? What was your highlight of your summer? Any highlights? that's right. We did see your picture. Remind me, what's the puppy's name? Rosie.
Lauren (02:26.311)
Good. We got a puppy.
Teri (02:30.903)
Yeah.
Lauren (02:31.571)
We got a puppy. Rosie. Yes. Yeah, she's you know, she's I have to tell you she's so good. So we did I don't know if this was a thing since you. Terry and Vanessa, you guys have gotten your most recent dogs. But like when we got Cooper, which obviously at this point was like 20 years ago, they didn't do any of this kind of stuff. They did temperament testing with the dogs.
Wilhelmina (02:34.817)
Aww.
Teri (02:35.298)
Okay, how's puppy life going?
Vanessa (02:38.275)
Yeah.
Teri (02:59.778)
Lauren (03:00.389)
which was like such an interesting process. we were not, this breeder we went through and we did a lot of research beforehand, told us like you cannot pick the gender or there were two different litters like the coloring or whatever. said you can, but it might be a while before you get a dog. We prefer that the dog picks you. go at six weeks old, they do all sorts of temperament testing with the dog. And then we had to fill out a whole thing about like our lifestyle.
whether or not you had kids, whether or not you'd be home all the time, or whether you would be leaving the house, all these different kinds of questions. And then they match the dog with the family. And we've got our perfect match. She's so good with kids. She's got a great temperament. And when we were there to pick her up, there was an older couple. So clearly, that couple was getting a different temperament kind of dog.
Vanessa (03:41.646)
That's interesting.
Teri (03:43.722)
are
Lauren (03:55.783)
that's like, you know, for somebody that's home a lot or whatever. Like, I mean, just so cool. So like, knock on wood, it's been awesome. Yeah. I, well, that's right. That's, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Okay. So a little different.
Teri (04:01.74)
My experience was very different.
Vanessa (04:01.826)
They, well, yeah, I mean, my dog came from a shelter and was rescued off the streets of like Baltimore. So my dog came with a lot of trauma. No, but you know what? But I will say that I think I wonder if they got that from actually rescue dogs because I've always done rescue foster and they do temperament testing with them. They don't match. They don't match you, but they will. They will.
Teri (04:06.784)
My, yes, my right. Mine was rescued off the side of the Mississippi river. So, and we, would, yes. Yes.
Lauren (04:18.099)
Okay, it's a little different, a little different.
Lauren (04:24.123)
I wonder. Mm-hmm. Yes.
They just let you know. Yeah.
Vanessa (04:30.592)
Yeah, they'll say like this dog does is good with, know, no, no family or no other pets. So they do temperament testing. So that's interesting now that they're doing that for dogs that you buy from a breeder. And I think that's important because so many dogs end up back in shelters who come from breeders. Right. Like, so think that that's good. Yeah.
Lauren (04:41.789)
So nice.
Teri (04:44.514)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (04:45.885)
So this is what I was reading. Yes. That was part of the reason that they do this is because they do not want the dog in a shelter and they don't want the dog back. And so it's like super important to them. And so they were like very clear, like, hey, like you can pick a gender or a color, but then it might be a while. It could be another year before we have a litter that meets your like whatever. We want to match the dog to you guys. So it's been, she's awesome. Yeah. The boys love her. She's really good. Yeah.
Vanessa (04:54.296)
Right. Right, they don't want you to return the dog. Yeah, so I think that's smart. Yeah.
Vanessa (05:12.078)
That's cool.
Wilhelmina (05:12.543)
the pictures you've posted she's adorable so cute
Lauren (05:14.447)
Yeah, she's a cutie. Yeah. So yeah, that was our bit. it literally, I'm like, so we have a baby again. Like you forget. So that was our summer. That and a lot of golf as you guys saw as well. I was on the golf course almost every day, which was fun. What about everybody else? Yeah.
Vanessa (05:14.84)
You're cute. Yeah.
Vanessa (05:20.396)
Yeah, it's like having a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Teri (05:20.512)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Teri (05:29.014)
Yeah, mine was pretty low key. My husband, Dan, had to travel a ton for work almost every week, if not every other week. So that sort of took up most of the summer, which then made when we sent both of our kids to sleepaway camp in August very sweet because he was in town that week and we got a nice break with both of them gone at the same time. It was my 10-year-old second year going and my eight-year-old's first year going. You have to be eight.
Lauren (05:35.347)
We had that.
Lauren (05:46.387)
Hey.
Teri (05:58.25)
And he turned eight in May. So it was his first experience and he loved it. He can't wait to go back next year. So I'm a huge fan of and I realize there's a whole variety of sleep away camps out there and what they can provide. But I think they both had really valuable experiences. So big fan. Highly recommend. I think Wilhelmina Sun went to sleep away camp also. Yeah. So that was. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (06:16.031)
Yeah. I second that. Yep. His first year and he went with some buds. They loved it. Loved it.
Teri (06:23.852)
So yeah, but yeah, just a very kind of chill, low-key summer, lots of work, unfortunately, hanging out by the pool and, you know, just parenting, you know, two kids, well, the husband, God, yeah, a lot of parenting happening. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yep. The sibling bickering really reached like Def Con 10, like about midsummer. was just, yeah.
Lauren (06:34.259)
A lot of parenting.
Vanessa (06:35.502)
you
Wilhelmina (06:38.667)
parenting in the wild, wild west of the summer.
Lauren (06:41.485)
Right, right, right.
Wilhelmina (06:45.95)
Ugh.
Lauren (06:47.161)
yes. yeah.
Wilhelmina (06:48.961)
Yeah, that's what it is. It's like end of July, all of a sudden it's like they can't even be in the same room without.
Lauren (06:52.177)
You
Teri (06:53.73)
Oh, it's it's insane. The things they argue about, they are like an old miserable married couple. They just bicker anything they can fight about, bicker about, get on each other about. mean, it's it's almost like an SNL skit. So was glad to send them away for a week and then they were back for a week and then school started.
Vanessa (07:01.326)
You
Lauren (07:05.715)
I love you. hate you. Yeah.
Vanessa (07:07.214)
Yeah.
Vanessa (07:13.368)
Nice.
Lauren (07:13.82)
That's perfect.
Teri (07:14.848)
Yeah, it was good. How about you, Vanessa?
Vanessa (07:17.838)
Um, I think a highlight for us, we travel like once a year, we usually do like a trip without our daughter, like out of the country. And so this was the first time we took her with us. So we went to Paris. It was the first time that she traveled internationally. So, um, I was definitely worried, like how's this going to be? She's going to have been playing like she's been on planes lots, but like for this length of time. Um, but it was, it was so awesome. It was just a really, it was a fun trip. We went with our really close friends and they brought their daughter. So she was, I think it would have been.
Lauren (07:29.543)
That's right.
Lauren (07:39.699)
Yeah.
Vanessa (07:47.316)
very different if there hadn't been another kid because she's an only child. So it was really, I think, nice that we went with another family who has another kid. And it was just really nice to just have her with us. And we took family photos, which I've seen people do that. But it was fun to just kind of document. in thinking of it more, I was like, that would be fun just to do that, even if you're not just going out of the country, but just kind of a fun way to kind of document a trip. So I think that was our highlight was having traveling abroad with with our daughter.
Wilhelmina (07:49.697)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (08:17.098)
the first time so yeah.
Lauren (08:18.225)
Yeah, that's super smart. The family photo piece I've seen I have friends that do it on their vacation every year like spring break or whatever. I'm like, that's so smart. So cool. Yeah, very cool. I like that. Yeah.
Vanessa (08:23.918)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's if you're if you're a family who does like it's not everybody does that. But if you're a family who does it, it was it's not it was not more expensive to do it. It was this like it costs the same basically. So I was like, OK, I'm sure that depends on what country or where you're where you're traveling. But like I said, I think you could even do that just on vacation anywhere. It doesn't have to be abroad. But yeah, it was just a nice way to kind of document it. And now we have photos for for Christmas. So that'll be a Christmas picture.
Wilhelmina (08:25.077)
Yep, we did ours this year too, yeah.
Lauren (08:37.351)
Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (08:49.717)
Yep. Well, and then you have a different background. Like, feel like, at least around here, lot of people do the fall photos. And I was like, we have a lot of fall photos.
Lauren (08:49.799)
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Teri (08:50.242)
That's cool, I like that idea.
Vanessa (08:53.484)
Yes. yeah.
Lauren (08:53.49)
Yeah.
Teri (08:57.622)
go stand in a field again. It's always the same.
Vanessa (08:58.254)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. my gosh, completely. Exactly. Well, Mina, how about you?
Lauren (08:58.809)
and it's always the same place. I'm like, so have we been to this park? Have we stood in front of this bush?
Teri (09:09.047)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (09:09.771)
you
Wilhelmina (09:13.505)
My highlight was definitely being able to take my kiddos to one of my favorite places in the world, is Grand Marais, Minnesota. It's northern Minnesota, almost like at the border of Canada, right off Lake Superior. And I used to go there from like four years old and on every single fall, I would go with my mom, her best friend, Martha, and her daughter, Abby.
So the four of us would go and we did it up until we were in college and then we did it a few more years kind of spread out. But the last time I had been back was 2010. And I had always wanted to bring Maddie and Griffin. My mom wanted to bring them when they were little and I was like, mm-mm. Like I don't want to be kind of carting babies and toddlers to this place. It will just ruin, it won't be the same.
So I really wanted to wait until they were old enough to like enjoy it, experience it. And then this like timing never worked. But finally, they started late this year, which meant we could go in, go up north, stay for a few days and then hit, you know, my annual Minnesota State Fair all before school started. So it was sort of this magical timing of everything that I feel will never happen again. But
Vanessa (10:30.03)
you
Lauren (10:38.651)
Am I out right?
Wilhelmina (10:41.279)
The kids loved it so much and it was so fun to share with them all of these things that I have loved my entire life and have them be so excited about it and love it as much as I did. So that was totally awesome and definitely like the highlight for sure of my summer.
Lauren (11:02.727)
Yeah, your pictures were great. Those are cute.
Wilhelmina (11:04.767)
That was really, I will say though, right before we left because it was mid August. I was like, okay, you two have been fighting nonstop. I basically did an empty threat, which I don't do a lot of those, but I was like, we're driving and this is one of my favorite places. And if you two start fighting and ruin this, I will just have dad like drive you back and I will stay.
Lauren (11:20.241)
You
Vanessa (11:28.718)
I thought you were going do that, leave him by the side of the road.
Teri (11:29.974)
Yeah, I definitely said things like that before.
Lauren (11:32.667)
I was gonna say leave him by the side of the road. You will walk.
Teri (11:35.702)
Yeah. I told Danny to find a phone in Costco the other week. said, you can go up to a coworker and ask and find your own ride home from Costco. He's like, how could you say that to me? I'm like, I don't know. It just came out.
Wilhelmina (11:36.993)
But I was just like...
Vanessa (11:43.896)
You
Lauren (11:44.253)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (11:45.898)
It's just like...
Vanessa (11:49.005)
you
Lauren (11:51.259)
Use those problem solving skills.
Wilhelmina (11:51.681)
you
Vanessa (11:52.27)
All right, ladies, let's get into our four minute faves. Who wants to go first today?
Teri (11:52.32)
Yeah, exactly.
Teri (12:00.65)
I will. You go ahead. You go ahead. You go learn.
Lauren (12:01.095)
I can go. Nope. You, me. I'll go. Okay. Mine will be quick because I don't have a lot to say about it, other than I'm really enjoying it. It's just taking me forever to get through. So speaking of like, what have you been doing this summer? I've been trying to read, but I haven't read as much in the summer as I thought I would because of all the other things going on. And it's taking me a while, but I'm reading the American, or I don't think it's that American, American Duchess, American Duchess.
Wilhelmina (12:05.557)
Lauren, you go.
Lauren (12:31.219)
And it's Consuelo Vanderbilt. So it's like a fictionalized story, but based on true events of her life. It's really good. And it coincides with if you guys, anybody watches or has heard of the Gilded Age on HBO, I think it's HBO or whatever they call it now, Max. There's like some crossover of different
Teri (12:34.941)
Teri (12:49.346)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (12:57.139)
characters because the Gilded Age also references like the Vanderbilts and things of that time. It's just so it's just been a fun book. It's taking me a long time to get through but I do recommend it. It's actually a really good book with some fun like historical references and of the early 1900s and things like that both in America and Europe is where it takes place. So the American Duchess know the American Duchess and it's Karen Harper. It's good. I highly recommend if you like those kind of period.
either shows or books. Yeah, that's fun.
Vanessa (13:27.34)
Historical fiction.
Wilhelmina (13:29.503)
And you said it is fiction, but it's heavily based on.
Lauren (13:31.847)
based on her, so it's like, yeah, it's all of like the events that like, you know, like her timeline, like, yeah, so it's fun. Historical fiction, yes. Terry, what do you got?
Teri (13:33.952)
Historical fiction.
Teri (13:43.114)
Okay, mine is a podcast. It is called Unicorn Girl. I don't know if you guys have heard of this. It just came out mid or end of August. So it's just a couple weeks. And I believe I think most of the episodes dropped at the same time. My friend, Emily, recommended it to me. We talk about podcasts a lot. And it is very much in the same vein as that Scamanda. If you guys ever listened to Scamanda, which was a huge hit. So very much
Vanessa (13:49.283)
Mm-mm.
Lauren (13:49.714)
Mm-mm.
Lauren (14:06.931)
yes. Yes, yes.
Wilhelmina (14:07.169)
I love Scamanda.
Teri (14:12.198)
female charlatan scammer, you know, type of, again, this is all true story. And so I'm on the fourth episode, I've been listening to it on any of the long drives and I don't have my kids to sports back and forth. Like we had some stuff over the weekend that was pretty far away and dog walks and stuff. I wouldn't probably listen to it with kids around. But it's really good. It's keeping my interest. called Unicorn Girl.
Lauren (14:27.133)
Yeah.
Teri (14:38.58)
And then when I looked it up, again, it just came out like August 18th or something like that. So it's only been out a couple of weeks. Highly recommend, very captivating. Yeah.
Lauren (14:39.012)
Unicorn girl.
Lauren (14:46.812)
Awesome.
Wilhelmina (14:47.339)
Sounds good. I love those.
Lauren (14:49.425)
I love those, yeah.
Wilhelmina (14:52.385)
So I am going to talk about my favorite show this summer, which is The Summer I Turn Pretty. And so it's on its third and final season. It is based on a trilogy of like YA novels. I started Summer Turn Pretty when it first aired the season one and just was like kind of, cool, what's the show? Watched it, loved it, was on board for season two.
And then around season two, was like, other people are watching this. Like people are talking about it. People are. So when the third season was about to come out, I actually asked Maddie if she was interested in it because it is technically kind of YA. And she said, yes. So we actually rewatched season one and two together and then have now been watching this show. It's not even done yet. Every Wednesday we watch it together. And that actually
Lauren (15:24.467)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (15:49.61)
was is the highlight because it's the first sort of like adult like show that we're watching together and it's been interesting to watch it through her eyes and actually watch it as a mother. Like the first two seasons when I watched it by myself was very different and when I watched it with her I kept inserting little comments like you know.
Teri (15:51.245)
Aww.
Wilhelmina (16:16.383)
this guy makes for real good drama, but I'm like, if there's a guy that keeps taking his like affection away and love away and doesn't communicate, I was like, just run, don't stick around. I said, it really makes for a good show, right? There's been lots of fun teachable moments. Like one of the characters pulled out a bag of what was clearly like pot. And my daughter was like, mom, that cocaine? And I said, no, no, sweetie, cocaine is white, white powder. Okay, so that's pot.
Vanessa (16:17.07)
Thanks.
Vanessa (16:27.019)
Hahaha.
Lauren (16:27.448)
Yeah.
Teri (16:27.938)
Some teachable moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Vanessa (16:29.966)
Thank you.
Vanessa (16:44.302)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (16:46.649)
and then they're smoking a bong. She's like, what is a bong? And I'm like, these are very good things that she's learning in this show.
But the whole thing, the whole summer, has been every Wednesday, we're just super excited. We talk about it. Then the next day, she's like, what are the Instagram reels all about? So then we watch all the funny Instagram reels about like all of the comments and the comedians making fun of it. And then I have a girlfriend who's watching it. And so the next day, we also text for like back and forth for like an hour, like just all our thoughts and all our stuff. It's just.
Teri (16:56.277)
that's funny.
Wilhelmina (17:24.223)
It's been this connecting piece to Friends and Maddie and I've loved it all. And the show is just a delightful hot mess of a show. I love it. Everyone loves a good love triangle. It's good.
Vanessa (17:35.649)
Thanks
Teri (17:36.13)
I like that.
Vanessa (17:40.238)
Is that on, what app is that? Right, okay.
Teri (17:40.268)
Danny and I discovered a show on Netflix. Yeah, see, that's on Prime, right? Yeah. The first sort of adult show that Danny and I started watching is Shaquille O'Neal's Power Moves about him trying to bring back Reebok, which he was fascinated by. I think Shaquille O'Neal is just such a bombastic personality, but technically, but that was a show that we got into over the summer that we watched. If you would like to add something to your list.
Lauren (17:42.035)
It's on Prime.
Wilhelmina (17:43.499)
Prime, yep.
Lauren (17:52.125)
hilarious.
Vanessa (17:52.238)
you
Lauren (18:02.183)
he's great, yeah.
Lauren (18:06.267)
Yeah, that's fun.
Vanessa (18:07.16)
think I told you guys, he's a DJ. Shaquille Neal DJs. Do they talk at all about that? Yeah.
Lauren (18:10.683)
Yeah, he does like all the things.
Teri (18:12.748)
So they talked about that. So he is like has been an ambassador for he had a lifelong contract with Reebok. And you remember how Reebok like has not been hot for a very long time. They are. So the whole show is them following him trying to relaunch new shoes and products. There's a lot of marketing in it. They got what's her name. Gosh. Who plays for the Chicago women's team. Who's really good. No. And Reese Reese.
Lauren (18:23.131)
Right.
Wilhelmina (18:23.253)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (18:23.822)
Yeah.
Lauren (18:31.729)
Hmm, interesting.
Lauren (18:39.251)
Katelyn Clark? No, that's Indiana. Angela Reese. Angela?
Teri (18:42.558)
Reese and Reese, think. Yeah. So she's one of the spokespeople. But anyways, but yeah, it's very much like Angel Reese. There we go. Yes, you are correct. Angel Reese is going to be like her new shoes launching and how they're trying to bring back Reebok to be popular again, because Nike has such a dominance in the footwear field. So that was the show that I got into. I know. Bring back Reebok. Yeah. OK. So sorry to jump in.
Lauren (18:48.099)
Angel.
Okay, cool.
Wilhelmina (19:04.891)
I feel like 90s are back. mean, let's bring it back. Everything comes back. Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren (19:07.621)
All the nostalgia. Yeah. It's funny.
Vanessa (19:08.487)
You
It's all good. I'm going to share, yeah, I'm going to share a snack with you all. Just something that I kind of came up with this summer. Maybe somebody else has already made this up. I don't know, but I didn't see it anywhere. So in my never ending journey to add protein to my life, I got some of the Chobani, like the plain yogurt, which I think is kind of gross, to be honest, like plain yogurt is
Teri (19:13.314)
All right, how about you Vanessa?
Teri (19:32.29)
Hmm?
Lauren (19:38.513)
Mm-hmm. yeah.
Vanessa (19:41.935)
It's not good. Like, I mean, maybe it's good for you, but I don't like the way it tastes. It's kind of whatever. So I was trying to figure out like, how can I make this better and more palatable? So I'm a big peanut butter fan. Have any of you ever used PB2? It's like peanut butter powder. So, yeah, so I put that into the Chobani, the plain Greek yogurt and mixed it together. I know I was telling my friend, I was like, oh, yeah, I just mixed it. She's like, that's a really good idea. So if you like peanut butter, that's it makes it like
Teri (19:42.626)
It's really plain.
Lauren (19:45.063)
Right.
Teri (19:57.258)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Lauren (19:57.49)
Yeah, we have that. Yeah.
a good idea. Yeah.
Lauren (20:08.626)
Yeah.
Vanessa (20:10.658)
I mean, it doesn't taste like peanut butter, guys. It's plain Greek yogurt. But it's actually, yeah, so gives it, but it gives it a nice flavor, I'll say. Like if anyone thinks it's going to be like dipping into a peanut butter jar, sorry, no, it's not. But if you put the PB2 into the plain Greek yogurt, it makes it so much better. And sometimes I put like granola in it too, just to give it a little bit of sweetness if you like it. You can add maple sugar, but then you're obviously adding sugar into it. But yeah, I actually found it to be really like tasty. Again, you have to like peanut butter to like it.
Lauren (20:12.755)
It's not bad. It's like a good flavor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Lauren (20:30.311)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Vanessa (20:40.536)
but it just gives you a ton of protein, because obviously plain Greek yogurt has a ton. Chobani, and then you just add the PB2. I do like two tablespoons in it, and it just mix it together. Tastes good. Yeah. Yeah, that's usually how I've done the PB2, especially protein shakes. I'm sorry. I have yet to meet a protein shake that doesn't have an aftertaste. I just haven't met one yet. Yes.
Teri (20:50.08)
Hmm, I like it.
Lauren (20:50.323)
That sounds good. We put it in shakes and it gives like, yeah, yeah.
Teri (20:54.69)
Yeah.
Lauren (21:01.608)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (21:01.789)
I know they're talky and like...
Vanessa (21:04.906)
some some some less than others like more palatable but I feel I've always put PB2 in there and it makes for some reason the peanut butter just kills that taste so like that's how I've used it before in the smoothies just to like get rid of that like chalky taste and again you have to mix it with something that's gonna go with peanut butter but that's yeah so PB2 if you want I mean the good thing about PB2 is that it just has less calories than like regular peanut butter that's why you would use that instead of regular peanut butter but it has all the protein so
Lauren (21:12.081)
Yeah.
Lauren (21:15.571)
Good idea.
Teri (21:18.338)
shaky test.
Lauren (21:18.482)
Yeah.
Vanessa (21:33.066)
Anyway, that's my share for today. If you're looking for a protein snack, Chobani Greek yogurt, plain with some PB2 in there.
Lauren (21:38.323)
Sounds good.
Wilhelmina (21:41.163)
I just go for the sugar flavor. I'm like, peach, mango, yes.
Vanessa (21:43.151)
Hey, if you are going to go for it, this is not an anti. Yeah, this is not an anti sugary yogurt. I'm a very big believer in do you whatever whatever is is, you know, they want to do it but
Lauren (21:44.016)
I know.
Lauren (21:48.974)
Yeah, that's right.
Teri (21:49.314)
you
Wilhelmina (21:57.984)
I have yogurt like once, almost once a day. that's because I like, because they can, they're just like so protein packed that I just, I have to get them myself though, cause Owen just brings me back the same two flavors. And I was like, I cannot eat the same two flavors all.
Vanessa (22:01.951)
I eat it every day. Yeah. Every day. Yeah.
Lauren (22:02.579)
What do you really?
Vanessa (22:11.486)
Hahaha
Teri (22:13.098)
I always forget about yogurt. rarely, yeah, my kids eat a lot of yogurt and I just forget about it. I just like forget.
Vanessa (22:15.266)
That's Mark.
Lauren (22:17.331)
I was gonna say, yeah.
Vanessa (22:19.458)
But the kids stuff is very different. Yeah. So I usually, if I don't do the Chobani thing that I just mentioned, Siggy's is a really, that is one of my favorite ones. Lots of flavors, has very few ingredients. If you look on the back of it, it's really good. But I agree. Mark could eat vanilla, cinnamon every single day. And I'm like, I want the mango. I want the strawberry banana. want, like. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.
Wilhelmina (22:26.145)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (22:35.072)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (22:39.071)
Yes. If he brings me one more vanilla, I'm like out, out. I'm not eating it. I like ratio too. Ratio is good too.
Lauren (22:43.377)
Hahaha!
Vanessa (22:49.486)
I haven't tried that one. That's a good one. All right, let's check it out. but Siggy's is my other. If you don't want to make your own yogurt, Siggy's is a good one. Lots of protein, not a lot of sugar. All right, ladies, are we ready for our pop culture roundup? So for reminders for folks listening, this is where we went around. Each one of us just brings up something that we've seen, read, heard of. We'll spend about 10 minutes. I'm going to be the clock watcher today. So try to stick to our 10 minutes. So I'll be waving.
If anybody watches this on YouTube, you might see me waving a purple Post-It. That's a sign to move along, wrap it up, so that we can each get some time in. All right, who wants to go first today?
Wilhelmina (23:21.377)
you
Teri (23:31.636)
I can go. Well, it's me and you. It's me and you today, Lauren.
Lauren (23:31.987)
I'll go. I know you go first this time, Terry.
Vanessa (23:37.233)
There you go.
Teri (23:37.654)
Okay. All right. So mine is for anyone listening, you might be sick of this. So bear with me because this is just my hot take on it. I don't know what their cute celebrity combined name is, but Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey. I don't know if they have a, is it trailer, which is hysterical. Yeah, that sounds trashy like WT. so
Vanessa (23:52.335)
I think it's trailer.
Wilhelmina (23:57.378)
for Healer.
Lauren (23:57.844)
That makes it sound trashy. I don't like that.
Teri (24:04.318)
So let me back up one. I'm a massive Travis Kelce fan. I think he's a phenomenal football player. I think he's super duper cute. I think that he can dance. I just I could go on and on. So he's a cutie. Taylor Swift. I'm like, whatever. I feel like she's a she came out. I don't know when she came out. Maybe you guys do. I feel like she came out. I was already an adult. I was definitely out of college. So I feel like I didn't quite I don't know if you guys did, but I feel like I didn't. was
Vanessa (24:32.718)
Well, she was also originally country music. she was a teenager with country music. Yes. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (24:34.689)
country.
Teri (24:35.402)
Okay, and that would be it. And I'm not, yeah. Okay. And I think that's probably why, cause I don't listen to much country. And so I always remember thinking, she's talented. You know, she's a very talented songwriter, musician. And as the years have gone on, there's some of her hits that I like. I've never owned one of her albums. I wouldn't just turn her on and listen to her, but it's fine. She seems like a super nice person also. And I think she's a...
Lauren (24:36.285)
She started in the country world when she was a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren (24:54.066)
Yeah.
Teri (25:00.566)
great role model, especially for young girls. feel like if there's someone that I actually think it's really cute when little girls are really into her and their little Swifties. So them together, though, I feel like what a feel good news story for their engagement. And I've had a lot of thoughts about because I listened to Travis and his brother have a podcast called New Heights. So sometimes I listen to that podcast. They do like an NFL roundup and stuff and interview different celebrities. So
Lauren (25:16.211)
Yeah.
Vanessa (25:23.02)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Teri (25:29.986)
I really, I know they're probably annoying for some people, but I really like how present they've been in the media because one, it's a feel good news story and we don't have a lot of those. They seem genuinely in love. They seem like they really get along and get each other. I think, I don't know this is strategic by their PR people or not, but they seem to get in front.
of the media and almost saturate everything. They don't try to conceal or hide. I feel like it's a really good PR tool or strategy. I don't know if people are coaching them on that or if it's just them being authentic, but they sort of don't try to conceal and hide stuff like we're engaged. Here you go. You know, his dad is being interviewed, sharing details of the engagement. They just sort of come out there with it. They're not trying to hide the ring and don't let anyone get pictures of the ring or get pictures of them on vacation. Like they just are.
Lauren (26:13.203)
Yeah.
Teri (26:25.536)
out there with it, probably maybe because they're in their mid thirties. And so, you know, they've sort of worked really hard to get to this point. but I really liked that. Yes.
Vanessa (26:34.008)
Well, you get to control the narrative when you do that, right? Like they get to control the narrative and say, not let it come out. And she was in a very different relationship before where it was very like, shh, shh, shh, shh, know, like super. And that's hard, I think.
Lauren (26:36.434)
Yeah.
Lauren (26:42.215)
Yeah, super private. Yep.
Teri (26:44.512)
Yeah. And so I know. And what I like most about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift, but is I like how both Travis and his brother, Jason, really raise up strong, powerful women. They are willing to be partnered with them. They're willing to be married to them. They don't. They married their equals, if not someone a par above them. And they
Vanessa (27:12.472)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (27:13.216)
are just not afraid of strong, intelligent, outspoken women who know who they are, who have a good sense of self. And they sort of raise them up. They are not the cliche guy who's marrying somebody younger, because he's not willing to be with someone who's as equal or someone who is just going to make their whole life surround them and their occupation and be your typical, what's it called? Wag, right? Wife of, or whatever it's called, right? Yeah, wife and girlfriend. So I feel like, you know, I really like that.
Lauren (27:35.783)
Yeah, wife and girlfriend. Yeah.
Teri (27:43.136)
Both of them are just really empowering, strong women and partnering with them and praising them and wanting to promote whatever they're working on. And then the other thing that I really like about them is, and they're total bros, like Jason and Travis Kelsey are definite bros, but what I really like is,
Vanessa (27:59.467)
I like their podcast and I'm not even a football person and I just they're just entertaining the two of them. It's just funny listening to them.
Teri (28:03.766)
Yes!
Like they, yes, they totally are. They know what they know. They know what they don't know. And they're not afraid to admit when they don't know something. They'll just say, like, I've noticed on the pockets of like, don't know, what is that? Right. They don't, you know, try to pretend to be somebody they're not. I really like their brotherhood, their brother relationship. They, you know, my boys are two years apart and I know they're two years apart. And just seeing what that could look like and
Lauren (28:15.399)
Yeah.
Teri (28:34.398)
as adults, think is really heartwarming and seeing them and how they just goof around like you like if you listen to their podcast, like they goof around together, they joke, they're really supportive. When I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw a few clips of when Taylor Swift was on their podcast announcing her album launch for October. And Jason looked genuinely emotional and like almost tearful when he was watching his brother with his girlfriend. And you felt like you were watching
him watch his little bro with his girlfriend, not like Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. Like he was just watching them be together. So again, I think we're probably gonna be, I could be eating my words. I could be really sick of seeing them all over the media in a couple of weeks or months, but I just feel like, you know, it's a feel good news story. I feel like it's something to lean into and not criticize and judge. And if you don't like it, don't watch it, don't pay attention to it. But I feel like it's a good news story. And the more Travis Kelce we have,
Lauren (29:16.179)
Thank
Teri (29:31.326)
out in the media the better.
Vanessa (29:32.43)
my goodness.
Teri (29:35.97)
What did you guys think of it?
Vanessa (29:39.883)
I was, mean, I've always been like a fan of the two of them. And going back to like the Taylor Swift thing, I was not into her like when she was younger, because I wasn't into that like genre. And it's funny because Ev, my daughter, who's almost nine, she went through a phase, she said she's no longer in it, but she was a, you know, she was a Swiftie. She's moved beyond that now. But the songs that she likes are not the songs that I like. She likes all the Taylor Swift songs that Taylor Swift wrote when she was a teenager.
Lauren (30:00.711)
Okay.
Vanessa (30:08.75)
That's what she likes. I like all of Taylor Swift's kind of more recent music that she wrote as a grown woman. And so I think there's this huge span of just her music. It's changed over time. And I think part of it has to do with her age. So it's funny, we both like Taylor Swift, but I don't really like the songs that she likes because they're the 16-year-old songs that she wrote. And she doesn't like the songs that I like. I'm like, oh, I like, you know.
Wilhelmina (30:08.779)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (30:09.074)
Yeah.
Lauren (30:13.522)
Yeah.
Lauren (30:17.565)
Yeah.
Lauren (30:24.241)
Yeah, of course.
Vanessa (30:36.322)
these last two albums, three albums the most. And she's like, I don't like those songs. So I think there's definitely a range of things that people like as far as her music goes, but I'm here for them. I like it. I'm enjoying it.
Lauren (30:48.465)
Yeah. I don't know. It'd be hard not to root for them.
Wilhelmina (30:51.317)
Yeah, there is. I mean, that's true. They're just like likable.
Lauren (30:56.594)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (30:58.209)
people, at least from the media standpoint.
Lauren (31:01.659)
Yeah, yeah. And there's so much crap in the media, like why not? Like even if you don't care about them individually or their sport or their music or whatever, just like, I think they're safe to champion. And there's not a lot of that.
Vanessa (31:03.16)
Well, I think there's been. Yeah.
Teri (31:14.742)
Yes, Yes.
Vanessa (31:17.678)
Well, think I've read a couple of times that people are, I think one of the things some people have tried to like latch onto in a negative way is that Taylor Swift is very different than his last few girlfriends. So like his last few girlfriends were very like well-educated, beautiful black women, like the last four or five. And so people are like, Taylor Swift's not, know, like she's obviously blonde and has blue eyes. And so I know that that's been like insinuations there that like, oh, maybe he's just with her because she's popular and she's Taylor Swift.
Teri (31:26.732)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (31:32.342)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (31:46.065)
Hmm.
Vanessa (31:47.751)
And I thought about that and I kind of giggled to myself because I remember when I was younger, the four of us were together and I don't know who said it, but I was dating someone and one of you said, he's like totally your type. And I was like, what? Like I didn't think that I did until I was like, wait, maybe I do have a type. And I didn't realize that like it wasn't like a conscious thing. I was like, I guess I do. And then now,
Wilhelmina (32:07.359)
I feel like that was me. I think that was me.
Lauren (32:08.761)
Hahaha
Vanessa (32:16.682)
having married my husband who has nothing to do with that type, like literally. I'm like, you can, you can change, like, you know, like, I think for me that like, I got, I think different things become more important to you as you mature. And so I think some of that, you know, physical stuff that you think of when you're younger, whether you, again, I was not even aware I had a type until you brought it to my attention. And I was like, I guess I did.
Lauren (32:21.223)
True.
Wilhelmina (32:21.857)
Yeah.
Lauren (32:27.09)
Hmm.
Teri (32:27.986)
can change your type. Yeah.
Lauren (32:34.513)
Yeah.
Teri (32:34.721)
Hmm
Lauren (32:42.865)
Yeah.
Vanessa (32:44.715)
that changes. So I don't think that that's something that people should latch on to for him because
Lauren (32:50.803)
That's not indicative of your choices.
Vanessa (32:51.726)
No, mean, think, so exactly.
Wilhelmina (32:55.839)
And I think for me, I've followed Taylor Swift. I mean, again, similar to you guys. I think I did like her early stuff. I feel like I did have one of her early CDs, like the CD that was like the first one she did after country, which had a lot of like the love story and all of those like early hits. I did love doing karaoke to love story. I still do every once in while. That's like a good karaoke, yeah. But what I liked, what I like about their love story is that
Vanessa (33:18.094)
That is a good song.
Lauren (33:19.731)
You
Wilhelmina (33:25.845)
Taylor has had so many different relationships and I feel like she is so ready to like love and be loved. And I feel like she kind of has had this like, I don't know, just, I think she has been broken up with a lot for whatever reason, whether she's with men who just can't commit or I mean, obviously her songs at least portray a lot of heartbreak, which just can happen in love and whatnot. But it's...
I sort of always have been rooting for her to like find someone who is going to love her and be with her and stay with her. So she's been in some long term relationships. So it's kind of like, even with Travis, I was like, who knows? So it was kind of like, yay, finally she has someone who is like gonna step up and you know, I think they do seem like a really cute couple. So.
And it's never been in a very invested storyline for me, but it's still been just on the side. I'm like always kind of like, I hope she finds someone.
Lauren (34:29.435)
easy to be happy for them.
Wilhelmina (34:30.783)
Yeah. Yeah.
Teri (34:30.87)
Yes.
Vanessa (34:30.914)
Yeah. All right. Who wants to go next?
Lauren (34:35.599)
I'll go. So my sort of pop culture moment of the summer and it like keeps happening, by the way, is CEOs behaving badly and being recorded on video. So with the first one being like that, you know, the Coldplay CEO and then his human resources, whatever. my God. I know. So like, it's not as like
Wilhelmina (34:47.361)
yes, love it!
Teri (34:48.042)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (34:49.215)
yeah.
Teri (34:58.018)
What a news story to bring everyone together over the summer.
Wilhelmina (34:59.137)
you
Happy.
Vanessa (35:01.769)
my gosh.
Wilhelmina (35:04.385)
Thanks
Lauren (35:04.541)
heartwarming as Travis and Taylor, but like it is like light and like it like brought everybody together in such a way of like, we can like roll our eyes at these people. What I find so interesting, so that one and then the guy at the tennis match that took the hat. And then like you see a lot of and my parents, I was just chatting with my parents about this and there's one that just happened over the weekend of a woman like at a baseball game and she went like screened at a kid to get up the ball.
Teri (35:09.314)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (35:13.708)
Yes.
Vanessa (35:19.804)
my gosh.
Teri (35:20.7)
that pissed me off.
Vanessa (35:28.32)
Yes! Mark was telling me. Mm-hmm.
Lauren (35:34.566)
I like, what I find fascinating about in all of these instances, especially the people in power, but any like adult is like, you're in a venue that you know people have their phones out and are recording you, or it's actually being recorded on television, like the tennis one, and you're still behaving in that way, like your impulse is to behave that way. So like, what kind of people are you away from right?
Teri (35:50.496)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (35:50.783)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Wilhelmina (35:58.432)
behind closed doors when you're not, yes.
Vanessa (36:00.067)
Right? Yeah.
Teri (36:00.406)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lauren (36:01.899)
these are terrible people. Their impulses in public are to do these things. then so like what are they like in their day to day? know. It's just I find it so interesting to watch and like it's something everybody can kind of rally around.
Teri (36:16.138)
And you wonder if people forget that, have we become immune to just knowing everyone has a handheld device that can record you at any time? Do people just forget? I don't know.
Vanessa (36:17.004)
Absolutely, like.
Lauren (36:23.335)
as a phone, yes, right? I don't know. Or is it like, is like they're like, it's like, this is how you're behaving when you, I don't know.
Vanessa (36:29.454)
I
Teri (36:35.842)
But mean, impulsivity is gonna supersede that. Yeah.
Vanessa (36:36.642)
When you're out in even if you're not being recorded, you're out in public, right? Like you're in public. So even if you're not, you don't think you're being recorded, there are so many people around you who could just see you, like forget about recording you. Like they're just, they have eyeballs. Eyeballs, they're looking at you, right? So, well, I think it's fascinating the story about the guy who snatched the hat away from the kid at the tennis match is that he, first there was a statement that came out that was,
Lauren (36:39.911)
You're in public, yeah. Yeah.
Lauren (36:47.025)
Yeah. Yeah!
Teri (36:50.4)
Hahaha
Lauren (36:53.713)
And like, that's your go-to behavior?
Vanessa (37:06.284)
you know, that's was pretend they say he says that it wasn't him. So let's just say it wasn't him. Let's just say that wasn't his actual. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But even the real statement, I was like, it was not good. Like it was better than, of course, the fake one, but it wasn't good. It felt very like, you know, not genuine. And then it goes back to like.
Lauren (37:10.963)
Right.
Teri (37:12.79)
which conveniently people can do nowadays. that wasn't my statement. Here's my real statement. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (37:15.873)
Oh AI it was not no it fake fake news yeah
Lauren (37:22.867)
What's not good?
Lauren (37:32.467)
forced.
Vanessa (37:33.666)
I had this moment and I was like, but no, you're an adult. You have a, your frontal lobe is fully developed. Just so you know.
Teri (37:38.181)
Yes. I would say you have a, you have a brain that has reached full restoration.
Lauren (37:38.524)
Right. And right. And that moment could have connected to like, it could have easily connected to the next immediate moment. We could have all seen him immediately be like, my God, so sorry. Right. And that didn't happen. That's the thing. That's the thing. I guess. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (37:45.311)
You're just an asshole.
Teri (37:47.478)
Yes.
Wilhelmina (37:53.547)
Like, I'm sorry, I didn't, yes.
Vanessa (37:54.317)
Yes, yes. No, he hid the hat in a bag. Yes.
Teri (37:55.616)
Right. Right. He shoved it in his wife's bag or something.
Wilhelmina (38:00.947)
As a kid, still actively like asking for it. Yeah.
Vanessa (38:03.308)
Right. And I, yeah.
Lauren (38:04.571)
So this happened on the golf course. So we watch golf all summer and I know I'm sure none of you guys have the PGA tour all summer long. It's in our background, but this happened in one of the golfers went after the fan because he went to give I forget if it was a glove or a ball to a boy, a young boy standing there and he was going to hand it, but he had to keep walking because he was like actually playing and he stopped play and went after and like started yelling for people to grab the guy who was running away with the golf ball.
Teri (38:33.921)
I can't.
Lauren (38:34.585)
they got, I mean they got him, but it's like how like and like you know cameras are and you know people are following him with cameras. He's one of the professional players and so the cameras are of course going that way.
Teri (38:37.312)
And here's my grown ass adults.
Vanessa (38:37.504)
y'all are grown ass adults what is happening here
Wilhelmina (38:39.861)
You're running away with a golf ball. Like, check yourself, dude.
Teri (38:47.18)
Well, my main question is, I'll say this, having a 10 year old in my house who does collect things, he gets something, he puts it on his shelf, whatever. What are these grown ass adults doing with these things? What are you gonna do with that signed, maybe, like a golf ball, a hat or whatever? mean, what those little trinkets mean to kids and they bring it to school, they show their friends, they put it in their bedroom, whatever. What are these grown adults doing with them?
Lauren (38:55.889)
Yeah, of course.
Wilhelmina (38:57.185)
I love you.
Vanessa (39:00.386)
I don't know. Maybe.
Lauren (39:01.085)
They're probably trying to sell it.
Lauren (39:06.931)
I don't know. I know. Yes. Yes.
Wilhelmina (39:12.843)
Yes.
Vanessa (39:16.184)
I don't know.
Lauren (39:16.581)
It is bizarre behavior. It's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Teri (39:16.604)
How are you gonna do with that?
Vanessa (39:20.664)
So bizarre. Yeah, are you gonna like wear the hat? Like, are you gonna use the ball? Like, what are you doing here?
Teri (39:24.448)
Right. You're to display it in a prominent place in your house? Like, come on.
Lauren (39:25.263)
I don't, I don't know. I don't know. It's just, it's
Vanessa (39:30.566)
And then every time you see that, aren't you going to think about how you got it? This is the hat I snatched from the little boy. my goodness.
Wilhelmina (39:30.751)
Here is the hat I stole from a little child.
Teri (39:33.792)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Got some. I know.
Lauren (39:34.193)
Right? So proud of that move. It's like so it's just like, like you said, it's like something we can all sort of rally around and at least laugh about whenever you know, when lots of other things feel heavy and serious, we can all just roll our eyes at these adults behaving badly.
Wilhelmina (39:36.257)
Bye!
Teri (39:54.604)
Yes.
Vanessa (39:55.31)
Isn't there a show called that?
Wilhelmina (39:55.456)
I feel like it almost ties into, obviously in a lighter moment, now after Me Too, it's sort of like with all of these cameras everywhere and people, some of the horrific things that these power hungry people who just get away with shit do, it's now getting captured and highlighted all over, which is sort of delightful and amusing for all of us to be like, you can't just be openly.
Lauren (40:14.237)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (40:23.755)
quite that much of an asshole anymore, at least when you put it towards other people in public. Or you shouldn't be. You can for our amusement later on Instagram.
Lauren (40:29.775)
or you shouldn't be. You can. Right, right, right, right. Well, I mean, my gosh, especially like with how funny people can be, like the, my gosh, some of the memes about the CEO at the Coldplay concert were hysterical. You know, like the people that, the comedians of Instagram can really like make us all chuckle.
Vanessa (40:35.79)
Thank
Teri (40:36.193)
and
Vanessa (40:39.032)
See that, then I appreciate the cancel culture at that one when these things get like, then I'm like, actually, so funny.
Wilhelmina (40:41.936)
absolutely! I love it!
Teri (40:43.468)
Hmm.
Teri (40:51.669)
I know.
Vanessa (40:57.452)
I thought it was funny too that people were like, some people were like upset initially about Chris Martin calling him out. But I was like, to me, I feel like when you've watched the things, like it was not, I don't think he sat there and go, right. Like it was just like an immediate natural reaction. It was a genuine, people who have like witty like kind of humor like that, would immediately say that. Like it was not a deceptive, like, no. I was like.
Wilhelmina (40:57.798)
it.
Lauren (41:03.426)
Teri (41:03.72)
No, no.
Lauren (41:09.843)
It was a genuine yes.
Teri (41:15.362)
Yeah.
Lauren (41:18.367)
Yes! Totally. It was not thought out. It was not pre-planned. It was just... it was witty. Yes. Right, right, right, right. my gosh, so funny. Yeah.
Teri (41:20.704)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (41:25.154)
You guys cannot be mad. This is called deflection here. Can't say we're gonna be mad at him.
Wilhelmina (41:31.527)
Well, and I'm like, you guys were in public. Clearly there were other people around you. Like other people clearly knew you were having an affair. So the only thing you're upset about really is that it got put out in public because guess what? Other people knew you were having that affair because you are surrounded by people who are your coworkers. Like, right. So I'm just like, this wasn't that much of a secret, I feel like.
Teri (41:40.918)
Mm-hmm. It's getting caught.
Teri (41:51.82)
Right? know.
Lauren (41:51.837)
They were in a suite.
Vanessa (41:53.625)
Yeah, was that your spouses are not aware of this, right? Well, maybe not, but to their spouses, but their spouses didn't know obviously, so there.
Lauren (41:57.768)
Lot of narcissism there. Lot of narcissism. Yeah, I know. I know. No, no.
Teri (42:00.616)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (42:04.105)
And I did love the Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes. I was like, that was pretty brilliant.
Lauren (42:06.895)
that was hysterical. The marketing. Yeah. That was very smart of that company. Like, what are we going to do? We might as well like talk about deflect, but they did it in a very smart way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. This is not how our company's filing for chapter 11.
Teri (42:09.759)
yeah.
Vanessa (42:19.104)
And getting ahead of things, they're like, OK, we're not going down like this. This is how we're going to counterplay that.
Wilhelmina (42:20.799)
Yes. Yep.
Vanessa (42:26.84)
So should say, so anybody who didn't know, so the company that these two people work for hired Gwyneth Paltrow to basically do a commercial for them that they're saying like,
Lauren (42:31.165)
Yeah. Yeah.
Teri (42:36.492)
Do some damage control. Yeah.
Vanessa (42:38.222)
Yeah, there was basically some damage control. Like, yeah, this is what our company does. We don't, like this, we don't, yeah. Yeah, this is here. This is what we do. We don't do that. Yeah, that was good.
Lauren (42:38.821)
Yeah, like, well, and she, that she did a great job of doing that. Like, some of you might be coming to this website that have never been here before. Like she did a great job. Yeah. It was cute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause of course the company shouldn't be punished. So the right, like the real human beings. Yeah. Right. Right. So funny. Yeah. Well, Amina, what about you?
Teri (42:48.183)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (42:55.894)
Right, absolutely not. And all the people who work there, right? Like people who are employed there who had nothing to do with the story, right? So that was very smart.
Wilhelmina (43:06.913)
So I sent you guys this article, I don't know, about a month ago. This has to do with the movie of the summer, I feel like for everyone who has children, the K-pop demon hunters extravaganza that has taken over every, I love it, love it. I am here for it.
Teri (43:20.428)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (43:23.372)
Yes, I love it. Big fan.
Lauren (43:26.919)
You guys, we missed this one. This is a blind spot for me.
Teri (43:30.828)
So I know the songs, and my kids have watched it, but I have not watched it. But it's, I know.
Wilhelmina (43:35.786)
Terry, this is, it's, so there was an article that came out that was the therapy generation is now making kids movies and it's kind of like, and we're all the better for it. And yes, yes. And as I was watching K-pop Demon Hunters for the first time, as we did it for Family Movie Night, I was just like, this is all like,
Lauren (43:35.825)
My voice had zero interest, yeah.
Vanessa (43:36.692)
So good. It's really good.
Teri (43:49.665)
Hmm.
Lauren (43:50.139)
like with inside out and yeah, yes.
Wilhelmina (44:03.435)
parts work and shame and like all of the songs are about like when you try to hide things, something you're ashamed of and how it just grows and grows and grows. And then once you kind of like own it and like face it, then you're finally free from it. It was just like the last one of the last songs. I think I saw some sort of like Instagram thing that was like kids listening to this song and it was like, yay and adults. And it was like, they're all crying. It's like all of the words are, you know, sort of right.
Vanessa (44:03.917)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (44:26.882)
Vanessa (44:30.364)
yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Lauren (44:31.325)
The double meaning.
Wilhelmina (44:33.233)
So similar to Inside Out 2, you know, similar concept to the kids love it, and then adults can relate to it on this other level. Yeah. And so I think that's what they're saying is like, now we are having this article was talking about like older movies would just be be true to yourself. And that would sort of be the message like be true to yourself, but without any sort of like discussing what that actually meant. One of my
Lauren (44:35.131)
Yeah, yeah.
Lauren (44:41.395)
can be appreciated.
Vanessa (45:00.472)
Yeah, like Snow White, you're traumatized by your stepmother who has been horrible to you.
Wilhelmina (45:04.233)
Yes, yes, just be yourself, just be yourself.
Teri (45:04.588)
Right, but just be yourself. Yeah, be yourself.
Lauren (45:07.111)
Your mother died. Get over it.
Wilhelmina (45:10.305)
Be yourself. One of my favorite shows as a teen was My So-Called Life. And I remember one of the, I know, I know, right?
Teri (45:15.954)
Lauren (45:16.069)
I love that show.
Vanessa (45:16.558)
Oh, Jordan Catalan. I was devastated when they stopped that show. One. And I think they finished the season. Yes.
Teri (45:22.246)
so pissed. was so pissed. One, one season and they cut it short. They didn't even finish it. That's a whole different combo though. Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren (45:23.771)
One season, right? One season wonder? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (45:25.757)
one season. And they cut it short.
I mean, Jordan Catalano.
Lauren (45:32.083)
crazy. Yeah, we could do an episode.
Vanessa (45:33.646)
my
Wilhelmina (45:35.83)
we could. So she has a quote though, Angela Chase. So Claire Danes' character has a quote in there that's like, they say to be yourself, like yourself is some inanimate object, like a toaster. Like you should just know what you are. And I actually had printed that quote out back in the day and had it on my like door as a teen. So I thought it was interesting that they were kind of referring to how that was just this message that we got sent. now, like now movies and kids movies,
are talking about, they're discussing the internal dialogue that all people and all kids have. Terry, that sports show that you talked about last year with your kids, the baseball or softball movie. Yes, yes. And that referred to all of these kids who had like anxiety and different thoughts and different fears and so well done. And that's what it is. Like we are getting more of these in-depth, meaty,
Lauren (46:14.695)
that was, we watched that. That was cute. Yeah.
Teri (46:16.866)
Yes, it was really cute. cartoon one.
Teri (46:25.122)
Yes, so well done.
Wilhelmina (46:35.419)
movies and shows that highlight to kids, wait, do you have these thoughts? Do you have these fears? Do you think you're weird? Do you think you're different? Guess what? Like lot of people have that. And actually what's different about you, what's unique about you is actually awesome. And don't hide it, put it out there, own it. And when you do that, like you'll kind of find your people who love it too. Like Brene Brown always says like shame hides and like
secrets and shame hides in silence. And so she's always like, if you speak it, if you talk about it, yes. And that's exactly what K-pop Demon Hunters is literally all about. It's so good. I was, Terry, I was actually about to say, I was at this fall or back to school ice cream social, and they of course were playing K-pop Demon Hunter songs like nonstop. And I overheard some of the moms and they're like, I haven't even watched it yet. My kids have watched it.
Teri (47:08.802)
I have to speak it to him.
Vanessa (47:11.832)
Yeah. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. So good.
Wilhelmina (47:34.066)
And just like I said to you, Tara, was like, absolutely watch it. Like it's not a kids movie. Like I would have watched this all on my own and the messages are so good. And I was like, you don't need to watch everything your kids are watching. But I was like, if your kids are watching this and you haven't seen it, you should really sit down and watch it because now we have talked about this movie. We have talked about what it means.
Teri (47:49.953)
Okay.
Lauren (47:58.054)
of them.
Wilhelmina (48:00.8)
I mean, my kids is because we do this a lot. They already were like, mom, it's like, you know, this and this and these are her, you know, this is this and this is this. So they kind of had gotten there. But it's a great movie to discuss and open the window to discuss these concepts with kids as is like entry level point into sort of these discussions that are so important to have around feelings and feeling different, feeling odd, feeling broken.
I mean, the lyrics of these songs.
Teri (48:31.84)
And movies and TV shows are perfect for that. So I will do it. I will watch it with them.
Lauren (48:35.387)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Wilhelmina (48:35.585)
Alright.
Vanessa (48:35.596)
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things to do. Like you were saying earlier with the show that you said for the five minute phase where you really like sitting there with Maddie and having these conversations. And I completely agree. And that's one of my favorite things to do with that was watch a movie like this or other movies where there's more to it than it's not just entertainment, which I will say this is a very entertaining, fun movie, but there is just so much more to it. And just being able to use them as conversation starters. I think some people think this is like a girl movie. I would definitely say that's not true.
Lauren (48:58.867)
watching.
Wilhelmina (49:05.014)
Mm-mm.
Vanessa (49:05.294)
They're killing demons. So there's like this whole fighting aspect to it. it was just such a, it's such a nice way for, I think parents to be able to talk to their kids about things. It's just like, you know, we used to say this about move our books, right? if something's going on and find a book about it, it's like a nice way to kind of start a conversation and see where your kid's at with that. This is definitely one of those movies. I agree. I would totally have watched this movie without my daughter.
Wilhelmina (49:17.462)
you
Teri (49:23.106)
Okay.
Vanessa (49:32.257)
she's eight and I think it was definitely appropriate for her. I think she didn't catch all the things. And so I was kind of bringing up to her like, hey, what do you think about, you know, that and having age appropriate conversations with her about, you know, like hiding, you know, your true self and how might that look like, you know, without how they do it in the movie, right? But it was such, it's so well done. The music is so good. Like if you're looking for good workout music, I know this sounds weird, but it's the whole like,
Wilhelmina (49:51.083)
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (49:58.189)
I know. It's so good. It's so good.
Lauren (49:58.652)
Hahaha
Vanessa (50:01.633)
Every single song. Like literally every single song. So it's really good.
Wilhelmina (50:04.459)
When, and you mentioned like, you know, it's not just a girls movie. So I was, I went to a concert with my son and his, his friends and we were, we had gotten like a kind of like a limo bus to take us there. And so we were in this bus with these kids all, you know, group of 10 year olds and they were all singing the songs at the top of their lungs. knew every single like word to the song. And I
was talking to the moms about it and I said, it's cool to have a movie like this that is like universal. Boys love it, girls love it, like everyone. It's not just, I feel like you get some that people are categorizing as a girl movie or a boy movie and somehow this one transcends that and is above it because everyone, every kid I know who has watched it seems to love it, which is awesome.
Teri (50:55.456)
Yeah, Danny went to a pool party with most of his grades, so fifth graders. And I think he was glad he had seen it because when I came to pick him up at the end, all the boys and the girls were like, the girls were doing dances to it. And the boys were just sort of like bopping along and singing like they all it was it's the zeitgeist.
Lauren (51:11.635)
aww. yeah.
Wilhelmina (51:13.429)
Yes, it is for sure.
Vanessa (51:13.912)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (51:17.835)
But yeah, and I think that movies like this can also bring up, like we mentioned, Inside Out. I think Nimona is another one, which if you haven't seen Nimona, which is based on a graphic novel, that's on Netflix. And that has some other major themes. It also has a, one of the main characters is like, he's a, what is it? Not a prince, a knight.
and he's gay. And so there's these different conversations that they're putting into movies. I think, so I was trying to think of other movies that have hit on me as having multiple meanings and good conversation starters and yeah, Inside Out too. And then Nimono was the other one that I was thinking of. Any other ones that you guys have seen with your kids that you thought had more layers and depth than maybe some of the movies of our generation?
Vanessa (52:12.374)
I think you, I think, I think, no, I agree. Yeah. I think those are good. The ones you mentioned, I think are like on the top of my mind is which ones I would say. Yeah, that Nimona one was really good. We watched that too. All right. So we've got
Lauren (52:12.707)
a lot of Happy Gilmore this summer so I'm not
Wilhelmina (52:14.548)
No.
Teri (52:14.592)
Yes, same, same.
Lauren (52:18.119)
going deep in the movies right now. Other conversations.
Teri (52:21.599)
Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (52:29.035)
So good. Yeah.
Lauren (52:31.251)
Very cool.
Vanessa (52:33.89)
Just a couple minutes left. I'll do mine quickly. I was gonna do how I hate that in August they were selling Halloween things at Home Goods. But, well, I feel like you kind of have to because if you're like me and you wait until October, there's nothing left. Like, what the heck?
Wilhelmina (52:42.505)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Teri (52:43.596)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (52:45.511)
I was gonna say I kinda fall right into it.
Lauren (52:50.685)
then you miss out. Well, even September, some of that stuff is gone.
Vanessa (52:56.394)
I know. But I was actually going to bring up and Wilhelmina sent this out to the group. So John Delaney, we've talked about him. He's a psychologist who has a podcast. He had Arthur Brooks on who is a he's an author. He's also a professor of psychology. And there was a clip. I don't even follow either one of them, but there was a clip from their podcast. And when I watched it, I was like, I had this feeling.
Lauren (53:02.909)
Hmm
Teri (53:03.436)
Mm-hmm.
Vanessa (53:20.012)
I'm not going to say it. So I want to share it with you. If you've watched it, great. If you didn't, I'll tell you what he says. And so I want to hear what your thoughts are on it. And so I researched this because I was like, I had feelings. And then I will tell you what I found. So they the podcast, I actually listened to the whole podcast and it was not about this topic specifically, which I thought was interesting. But there's this like snippet from the podcast where he says men find 80 percent of women attractive, where women only find 20 percent attractive.
And then this creates this niche of men who become narcissists because, you know, they are so wanted by women.
Wilhelmina (53:58.24)
Yeah, especially in like dating apps.
Teri (54:00.17)
Right. According to those stats, it leaves the little spot of men. Yeah.
Vanessa (54:00.173)
Yes, yes. So he was talking specifically about dating apps. So, so well, so this, think there's two things here. One is I want to ask you ladies, do you, you, what do you think about that? Those stats like 80. So men find 80 % of women will say give or take 80%.
Lauren (54:02.397)
Well, it's all our fault.
Vanessa (54:15.958)
attractive and women find men 20 % attract like what does that insinuate? guess is a good question. And then yeah, like then she's like, well, now there's this like group of narcissists, because all the women have decided that's how I interpreted his statement. But this girl, tell me your thoughts. I'll share my feelings.
Lauren (54:20.979)
I don't, yeah.
Lauren (54:28.371)
Yeah.
It's like, how are they measuring attractiveness, I guess, is my issue.
Teri (54:32.546)
I think it's, yeah. Yeah.
Vanessa (54:38.382)
I think it's physical attractiveness. It's straight up physical attractiveness, like, is my take on it. So I will say, I'll say this. I was shocked. Do think women find less than 20 % of men attractive? Yeah.
Teri (54:43.838)
I find less than 20 % of men attractive. I find less than 20 % of men attractive. If you lined up 100 guys and I don't think I would pick out 20 of them that I would find attractive.
Lauren (54:44.007)
huh, okay.
Vanessa (54:57.326)
I'm
Vanessa (55:03.03)
Okay, so you agree with the stats, okay?
Wilhelmina (55:04.991)
I feel like I might agree with it too. Like, I could maybe believe 20, but like, I don't know, maybe you're right though. Maybe like, if you just picked average people from like all over, I don't know. Yeah, it would be.
Teri (55:06.082)
I feel like it's more like 10%. I don't know.
Lauren (55:07.601)
Yeah.
Teri (55:18.54)
When I like look around, look around, man. I don't know.
Lauren (55:20.275)
I my feeling is almost like regardless of stats, like, so then I don't like the next part. That's what I think I have more of an issue with is that therefore there's this group that is narcissistic because all the women want them. Like, no, they're narcissistic because they have a personality issue. Yeah. Not because all the women want them. Like, I have an issue with that.
Wilhelmina (55:29.259)
that men find 80.
Wilhelmina (55:39.199)
I do think that you...
Teri (55:41.708)
Right.
Vanessa (55:44.234)
They're narcissistic.
Teri (55:48.118)
Right, they have a fractured personality. Right.
Lauren (55:51.122)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (55:52.352)
And I would maybe say, I think it is really hard. What am I, I'm reading a book or I did read a book. Now I'm blanking on it. But it had a very attractive man as the character and he married deemed like less attractive wife. This is like per the book. I don't know what this is. And he talks about how it's unusual. He is so attractive.
that it is, he could never have found someone as attractive as him. And he has this whole internal dialogue. I know I really will have to figure out what book this was. But I thought it was interesting. And I was like, I do think you come across those guys that are just like almost like universally like attractive. I feel like it's hard for them to stay like nice guys. Whether they're narcissists or not, like I'm like, how many of them are like still nice and don't have this like
Vanessa (56:28.625)
Hahaha!
Teri (56:29.12)
Right, right, right.
Wilhelmina (56:51.637)
Yep, I know I'm hot shit.
Teri (56:51.638)
because they have developed just such a positive feedback loop through their lifetime, just in terms of interactions.
Wilhelmina (56:55.445)
Yes, just constant life of people. Yeah.
Lauren (56:59.173)
if it's a positive feedback loop doesn't indicate they're going to be an asshole then like that those don't necessarily have to be one in the same
Teri (57:07.746)
Mutually, right.
Wilhelmina (57:08.959)
I just don't know. No, but I just, I don't know.
Vanessa (57:10.83)
Well, I was.
So for me, I was kind of taken aback because I was like, there was no additional, so I was like, let me listen to this podcast because I want to see what else you say about this. Because in my mind, that kind of makes it seem like women are, like, that's all you, you're so picky that there's just like 20 % of men. And so the interesting, it almost made it feel like to me that men are just more.
Teri (57:18.241)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (57:19.111)
Yeah. Yeah.
Vanessa (57:35.619)
They don't care about looks as much because they're thinking 80 % of women are more attractive versus women are only saying 20%. To me, didn't like, I was like, something doesn't click there. So I looked it up and it's true that women do, except that when they look specifically at like dating apps, but there's also some data looking outside of that. what I was looking at was dating apps, because this is what they were talking about, that men, even though they find 80 % of women attractive,
Lauren (57:44.755)
click, yeah.
Vanessa (58:02.201)
that they will only reach out to the top tier of women they find attractive. Whereas women, even though they may think that only 20 % of men are attractive, they will reach down, widen their range beyond that 20 % to reach out. And why is that ladies? Because we don't just care about what a man looks like. There are other things that we care about. they didn't talk about that.
Wilhelmina (58:12.641)
quieten.
Lauren (58:19.901)
Because we don't just care about looks. Yeah. so silly.
Wilhelmina (58:22.177)
Mm-hmm.
Teri (58:22.85)
Yes, yes, yes. yeah, I mean, the personality. Yeah, no, I was gonna say it makes such a difference in making men level up and appear more attractive versus less attractive. I mean, sense of humor, personality, like those, like the personality traits, like are way so heavily. Yeah. Yeah.
Lauren (58:28.955)
Yeah, that's...
Wilhelmina (58:29.665)
Well, this is what the material, oh, sorry.
Lauren (58:41.501)
Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (58:43.446)
Yes.
Lauren (58:46.941)
Huge. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (58:48.235)
huge.
Vanessa (58:48.546)
Yeah, and one of the things I was reading is that even if Anna is attractive, as soon as he opens his mouth, if he says something that's like just, he immediately becomes unattractive. And I know all of us can think of somebody, even if it's been in a movie or somebody you know, or in like a real life or watch, like you're like, somebody says something and you're like, like, I don't care how hot you are.
Wilhelmina (58:54.177)
I was just about to say that.
Lauren (58:54.521)
Right!
Teri (58:55.542)
Yes. Do you know who's?
Wilhelmina (58:57.558)
Yes.
Mm-hmm, 100%.
Lauren (59:01.779)
For sure.
Teri (59:02.924)
John Hamm.
Teri (59:06.742)
John Hamm needs to keep his mouth shut. Yes, John Hamm is a perfect example. He is meant to only have the madman look, that vibe. He needs to be wearing a suit and keep his mouth shut. Because when he starts talking, you're like, no, no, no.
Vanessa (59:23.992)
Wasn't there video of him recently at, my God, what's that Puerto Rican? Bad Bunny concert. Like, it's so funny that you say that. my gosh, he was like so like. Yeah, I didn't think it was bad, but I was just, it's funny that you say that. Cause I was like, So I think, so my take home from that little clip is that, you know, be wary of when you hear these things.
Wilhelmina (59:24.385)
no. Yes. Bad bunny. Bad bunny. I was like, this is not a good look. Not a good look.
Lauren (59:27.142)
Yes.
Teri (59:28.426)
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Buckethead. Buckethead. It's funny, but he is. Yeah, he's one of those people like just
Lauren (59:29.735)
And he was dancing.
Lauren (59:35.581)
cute. I thought it was very funny. Yeah.
Lauren (59:43.517)
that's fair.
Vanessa (59:50.153)
on like you get clips of things, because I don't follow either one of them, it just showed up in my feed and just listening to it and thinking like, okay, this is true fact. Like was just another reminder to me that like whenever something doesn't seem right, or even if it does, you should always look more and do your own research. Like as psychologists, I think that's one of the things that makes our profession stand out is that it's drilled into our brains, like you need to do research and not just, and you don't take things for face value. It's like how to do it. Like I can't remember how many times
Lauren (59:50.451)
Mm-hmm, yep.
Lauren (59:59.504)
Yeah.
Wilhelmina (01:00:00.204)
do the research.
Lauren (01:00:02.621)
Probably isn't right.
Teri (01:00:13.974)
and how to do it, yeah.
Lauren (01:00:16.723)
Yes.
Vanessa (01:00:18.966)
You know, in grad school, I was told to read an article and like a study and pick it apart. What are all the things here you don't like? Like, you know, and tear it apart, not so that you're tearing apart the author, but just so that you can think of something critically, right? Question it. And so it was just a good reminder to me that, yep, you know, you see these clips, you know, and yeah, I think that it sparked, you know, an idea thought in my mind, which is great. I think that's good. Like it's good conversation piece, but you should always be, you know, look more into things. Don't just go off a clip, whatever the clip says.
Lauren (01:00:24.391)
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Mm-mm.
Wilhelmina (01:00:30.657)
Question, question, yeah.
Teri (01:00:31.458)
Mm-hmm.
Lauren (01:00:32.563)
question it.
Lauren (01:00:43.048)
Yeah.
Lauren (01:00:47.336)
Yeah.
Vanessa (01:00:48.814)
So anyway, it was just a good reminder.
Lauren (01:00:50.813)
Yeah. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (01:00:51.349)
Well, and when you were saying this, made me think of that movie that I watched. I think I might've talked about that podcast last year, but like the materialists, which is about women and dating and the things that they look for once they reach a certain age of like, then they're like, they care about attractiveness, but then they care about all these other things and like a checklist. And the whole movie is kind of questioning that. Like, what does this look like? Do women really do this? Is this, you know, so it was a whole discussion on like what women really want.
when they're thinking about like dating, marriage, et cetera. Yeah, it's an interesting topic.
Vanessa (01:01:23.32)
Yeah. Yeah, I think we'll have to expand on that. So if anybody's listening to any of the things that we brought up today, if anyone wants to discuss it more, wants us to discuss it more, should say, feel free to send us a message on Instagram, or you can email us all of our information's on Instagram for an email. So let us know if there's anything we talked about. You're like, no, we need to hear more about this. And we'll kind of think of some things too that maybe we'll expand a little bit more on this. People's acting poorly.
What did we say? You said adults acting, behaving poorly. We'll have to start a segment. We'll start it. We'll start a segment. All right, ladies, it was so good catching up. I'm so glad we're back recording. Please join us next time on The Shrinkdown.
Lauren (01:01:51.763)
Yeah, behaving badly. Good little segment. You too. Yeah.
Wilhelmina (01:01:53.417)
adults behaving badly, CEOs behaving badly.
Teri (01:01:53.57)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Wilhelmina (01:02:02.261)
Yay!
Teri (01:02:03.073)
Yay!