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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
Ben: I can look.
I'm gonna give the look.
I have a, are we officially started?
Jeremy: Well, let's, let's
officially start and we can Yes.
Good evening, and welcome to Progressively
Horrified, the podcast where we hold over
to progressive standards never agreed to.
Tonight, we are talking about the
uh, peacock streaming horror film
that they really pushed on every
channel possible to talk about
how it was a, a gay slasher film.
And boy does it disappoint
it's they slash them.
I'm your host Jeremy Whitley.
And with me tonight I have
a panel of Chil and Cytes.
First they here to challenge the
sexy werewolf, sexy vampire binary.
My co-host Ben Khan.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Long extended side.
Yep, yep, yep.
They slash them their shocking tale of a
thing you already know to be Nightmarishly
terrible is in fact Nightmarishly.
Terrible
Jeremy: Imagine.
And the cinnamon roll of Cenes,
our co-host Emily Martin.
How are you tonight, Emily?
Emily: Well, I, reached a new appreciation
of trans and non-binary visibility day
because apparently if you're non-binary,
you can't be seen by straight people.
Yeah.
Where's Ben?
I, he's been on the phone.
Jeremy: Non-binary people
and John Cena, you know?
Yeah.
And our guest uh, the author of
the diversity and horror blog
and friend of the podcast Morgan.
Morgan.
How are you?
Morgan: I'm doing well, thank you.
Although not as great.
Now that I've seen this movie,
Jeremy: the real, the, the true horror
of the podcast is the movies we watched
Ben: along the way.
There's a character in this movie that I
think I can only describe as Luciferian.
Jeremy: Sure, sure.
Yeah.
Uh, So I'm gonna do the quick
recap on this because I'm
too irritated by it not to.
So it is it is written directed
by John Logan, who has quite
a history of writing things.
There's, you know, things that have won
Academy Awards like the Aviator and things
that didn't like the last Alien movie.
And uh, you know, a good
and a bad James Bond movie.
So they're really running the gamut here.
Ben: Much like my person, a blender.
It's a real mixed bag.
Oh God.
Yeah.
You like that one?
Oh boy.
Emily: That's
Ben: pretty good actually.
It's gonna be one of
those kinds of episodes.
Y'all
Emily: we're, I want to yell
Ben: so much.
We're in resident evil territory
right now for how fucking
unhinged I plan on getting Bless.
Jeremy: So this one starts a habitual,
bad horror movie maker, Kevin Bacon
non-binary rockstar who's really trying
to hold this whole thing together.
Theo Jermaine.
Uh, We also got Anna
Klasky coming in here.
We got Carrie Preston and a whole
hoard of uh, of good convincingly queer
kids, and a few that they just throw
into the background because fat people
aren't allowed to be main characters.
Like literally there's a handful of people
in this movie that just like, are there to
say that they were there and do not have
Ben: lines.
Didn't need to be this movie.
Could have, it could have j been just the
speaking roll characters at this camp.
Get ding this one week.
they didn't need to fill
out the numbers for realism.
Emily: They, but they did need to
fill out the numbers for the ensemble
cast, for the musical number.
See,
Morgan: I would thought they were
gonna fill out the numbers because they
needed like victims for the slasher.
But sadly that didn't happen.
And I was like, what was the
purpose of those characters?
I, I
Ben: did go into a, the movie being
like, if this is a movie where I'm
just gonna see traumatized queer,
you've picked off one by one.
I'm not, fuck this podcast,
I'm not finishing this movie.
Jeremy: I feel like somehow
it's worse than that.
Somehow, somehow it manages to be worse.
Cuz like, here's, here's what happened.
We get some real like bullshit intro
by, head counselor Kevin Bacon,
who is running this whole thing.
It is a, a conversion camp for mostly
not queer kids, mostly queer people who
are somewhere between 19 and 24 it seems.
Yeah.
Way too many of these somehow
have a reason to be there anyway.
Kids are
Ben: established to be over
18 for this to make sense.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Which is, is ultimately okay because
for some reason this movie decides
we need to see a lot of girls naked
ass for no reason in this movie.
Yeah, there are discretion
shots for every kill for this.
There are not discretion
shots in any shower scene.
Ben: What do we want to
already start talking about?
Bath isar.
The fucking comically.
Stereotypically creepy groundskeeper.
Yeah.
Emily: Like someone's got
to go in his room, right?
Like somebody has to go in his room
at some point, unless he just lives
there and needs rabbits all day.
And even then,
Ben: the creepy groundskeeper has
maybe a minute and a half of screen
time in the entire movie where it is
established that he lives in a house
full of creepy dolls and watches teenage
girls shower through a hidden camera.
Emily: Yeah.
And there's no wifi, but
apparently they have fiber optics.
Something Isn't
Morgan: baltasar the name
of the uh, the creature from
Emily: Basket case?
I don't know.
I know that it's the first name of Balti,
the actor who's the son of j Paul Getty.
Jeremy: It's talking about this movie
is difficult cuz there's so many things
you want to talk about at the same time.
Yes.
Well, well simultaneously
not much happens.
So like we, we do get the camp
counselors who are our, like major
actors for the most part in this movie.
Kevin Bacon is Owen, he's
the head of the thing.
Cora is his wife, who is a quack
psychologist whose job is to make people
feel bad about being gay or non-binary
or whatever else in this, and then
disappear for large amounts of the movie.
There is Molly, the doctor
played by Anna Clumsky who.
Is we're told is new to the camp this
year and uh, largely seems to not be
as involved in the horribleness of this
camp, and we'll find out later why.
And then there are two camp counselors
who we find out later, a couple.
They don't really introduce them that
way, but boy is there a, a scene?
There's se and Zane played by
Hailey Griffin and Boone Platt.
And then we have Valar, the
Groundskeeper who has maybe a line
Emily: he grunts, like I think that's all
we see of, of him is that he just was like
Jeremy: he pushes a wheelbarrow and lives
in a shack full of creepy uh, dolls.
Ben: Yes.
With Molly, the nurse.
Did this twist surprise you and
by the time it came, did you care?
No, but
Emily: let's, let's finish the
Jeremy: recap because I, I could
go on for an hour about the molly,
the nurse stuff and probably Will.
Yeah.
When we get there.
So the, the first thing they do is Owen,
Kevin Bacon gives this large speech
about how they're not there to convert
them if they don't wanna be converted.
They just think, you know, they're,
they might be happier if they can come
to terms with who they really wanna be.
So they are then going to
basically undermine the speech
for the rest of the story.
But it's there.
And Kevin Bacon Sure does deliver
it in a, a way that seems creepy.
And the, the first thing they do is
divide them up into Boys Cabin and Girls
Cabin, which is where we first meet uh,
Jordan played be Theo Jermaine, who is
non-binary, goes by they, them pronouns.
And, uh, They make a,
a big deal out of this.
And then allow Jordan to go stay
in , the boys cabin or basically give
them a, wherever they're comfortable
from there, they'll figure it out.
Then we, we have like just a, a
series of like, they have them all sit
around and explain their back stories
to the camera, or at least the ones
that we are supposed to care about.
Like I said, the bigger girl, the
girl with the braids uh, these
other people don't have backstories.
They're just there to
fill in the background.
And you would think be
slashed at some point.
That's not gonna happen.
But we do also meet Alexandra who
is They will reveal in like the next
scene that she is trans by, like
having one of the counselors walk in
on her in the shower and then them
force her to go live in the boys dorm.
I
Ben: hated that scene and
was very confused cuz I.
Did not realize that was
supposed to be a twist.
Yeah.
Emily: Um, I have a lot of issues
with that whole, the whole situation,
Ben: I mean, I, , just barging in on
a trans woman in a sha in the shower
is, I know there's a horror movie, but
I, I just, I hate it so fucking much.
It's,
Emily: it's really, it's really upsetting.
And also the like, narrative
framing around that is
completely incomprehensible.
Jeremy: Yeah.
There's Toby, who's our, our
stereotypical black theater gay.
There's Kim, who is our,
but I'm a cheerleader.
There's Veronica who is our we're,
we're led to believe angry, bisexual
who is upset about being bisexual,
but will later learn is actually a,
who has actually like planted herself
in there for her college newspaper.
Midsummer.
There's Stu, who is the wannabe
frat boy who is very upset about
how he is turning out to be gay.
And then there's Gabriel.
We'll get to that.
Oh fuck, Gabriel.
There's just, there's so much
to talk about about Gabriel.
It's not even worth going into
introducing Gabriel right now.
Mm-hmm.
Um, Yeah, so then we have
uh, a lot of therapy speak.
We have the trans reveal, which is
done by a counselor busting in on
what's supposed to be a teenage girl
in the shower anyway and we get a full
shot of her, her naked ass, and the
rest of her, her body from behind.
And then an implication that, you
know, there's other stuff we're
not seeing, none of which I feel
comfortable with at all especially
considering what this, this movie
feels like they need to cut away from.
we did get, you know, a, an early
scene at the beginning of a, a
woman on the road being killed.
A real weird choice of, unnamed
at that point, character to be
killed as they do sort of have some
non-binary indicators in the, way
they look, the way they're dressed.
But we will, we'll find out
later on that uh, they were
Ben: not, are you saying hoodies
and murder masses, non-binary
culture because you are, right?
Jeremy: Yeah.
Well, my.
My wife, who had not seen this movie
before we watched it last night,
was commenting on the fact that the
character who was killed in the
first scene of this movie is dressed
exactly like, outdated SNL stereotype.
It's Pat which considering the,
like, rest of this movie and then
like what comes later is troubling.
Ben: I like how the killer just
nonsensically teleports like
five times in this opening scene.
Like she's fucking night crawler and like,
Emily: has anibal husbandry, I guess, like
has this fucking really bad looking cgi.
I deer.
Jeremy: So there's several
scenes of them going through.
Specifically they're told they're just
gonna do shit that's stereotypically
male and female so that they
can learn their gender roles.
The guys all go out and shoot
and the girls literally go make
pies to serve to the boys a thing
that never actually happens.
They don't ever actually serve
them because this movie has
other stuff it wants to get to.
The gun scene ends with them.
telling Toby to shoot a dog, the pet,
the nice pet dog of the uh, the camp.
Jordan will eventually be the
one who does it to spare Toby.
But Duke is very clearly
just asleep in the field.
They didn't have, I guess, blood or
prosthetics or whatever for the dog.
They just had that good
dog way down in a field.
That is a good old lady.
They were like, and they were
like, this dog has been shot now.
And the girls ends with uh,, the female
counselor flirting troublingly, not
flirting, sexually harassing Kim.
There you go.
Ben: Assaulting.
Flirting.
Yeah.
Let's get a question.
That word choice wanted to give you
a chance to correct it on your own.
She starts
Jeremy: with flirting and then
she has everybody else leave
so she can sexually harass her.
Veronica who, who seems to know
that there is something bad going on
here and just leaves Anyway I have
Emily: some comments about
that, but there's another pin.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So, I, this is, this is the point
where I got so frustrated with
the whole thing that I lost track.
We do have Cora's interview scene with uh,
with Jordan where they try and convince
them that all of everything about them
being non-binary, a thing which they have
been very sure about up to this point,
is just some made up bullshit that made
up because they only have brothers.
And they wanted to be special.
Jordan is so put out by this, that
Alexandra has to drop an episode of
Glee in the middle of this movie so
that they can all sing a pink song about
how they're nothing less than perfect.
And I know he fucking stew can do a
knee light across the floor, a thing
which there's fucking note ringing for.
And,
Emily: and he is, he
just suddenly changes.
He's suddenly like, oh,
we're doing musicals now.
Oh, okay.
So I can't be gay.
Susan's entire
Ben: character arc happens in
the span of a single knee slide,
Emily: which I mean, like, if this was a
different movie, I'd beat down, but like
Ben: this movie's tone is more all over
the place than Carmen fucking San Diego.
Emily: yeah.
Yeah, where is Carmen San Diego?
She, she needs to fucking hide this
movie in the bottom of the lake.
And I don't, the
Jeremy: wildest thing at this
point is that at this point Jordan
is like, Hey, shit's weird here.
I should go creep into like the main
office when everybody else is asleep
and look in the second drawer I find
and find fucking Kevin Bacon's file
of pictures of people he's assaulted
and bruises and things like that.
Not like any sort of like you would
think maybe they would've a collection
of photos of like, you know, these,
these queer teens that they've
converted getting married or having
happy lives or graduating or something.
But he has just kept pictures of what
looks like 50 years of kids being beaten
and chained up and everything else.
And he just keeps 'em in an unlocked file
in the second drawer down in his desk.
Ben: Um,
Emily: Yeah, and nothing else
is in that file, like nothing
else is in that file folder.
It's just these pictures that is in a
file folder and there's no lock on it.
Jeremy: It's just, and I don't know
how old Owen is supposed to be, but
he's been collecting this orgy of
evidence, I guess since he was 10.
I don't know.
I guess the
Emily: rest of them are on the wall.
At the
Ben: very least, if I'm dedicating a
whole drawer in my desk to just like
my child torture evidence, I'm at least
putting a lock on that drawer probably.
Emily: Yeah.
Morgan: he is just got a whole
drawer of like child torture
porn and it's just uncomfortable.
But it's also begs the
question like, why is he into
Ben: that?
I dunno.
Jeremy: I mean, I will say there'll be
so many questions begged by his behavior.
Ben: Anybody who is already running a
gay conversion camp, I already assume
is capable of unfathomable evil.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Emily: I I feel like he actually
was like the mentor to Balza and
like Balza, he's like, here Balza.
You can live in that room and have
all your fucking weird dolls and look
at the, look at the girls because you
know, this is a fucked up suitcase.
I think we just need to throw
Ben: it out.
So what we're saying here is that
if ya, Sean of the Dead then Kevin
Bacon is the Simon Peg to be ASARs
Nick Frost, except Nick Frost is
Kevin Bacon's lay about friend.
Emily: Actually no, like, I would not
compare any of these characters to Simon
Peg or Nit Frost or what I was going to do
was compare them to the guy from um, glass
Onion that's going through some things.
They're at a camp like Kevin Bacon's
like, oh yeah, you can come hang out here.
I know that, you know, we can um, just
build you a fucking mannequin house and
you can like, play all the saw you want.
Jeremy: Yeah, so Blazar
somewhere in here gets killed.
It doesn't really matter where, because
this is not part of the rest of the story.
Blazar has a shed full of creepy
mannequin dolls and, and talking
dolls and, and everything else that
also not relevant because like he
has a secret camera in the girls'
shower and is watching girls' shower.
So now we are watching girls' shower.
There's no like, discretion shot there.
We don't see that over his shoulder.
We just, they just show us the backs of
these, you know, teenage girls showering
just full on asses and everything.
I don't know why this
movie is doing any of this.
And then our, our slasher uh, we've
only really seen at the beginning now
they make their second appearance.
They've got a, a wooden mask with staples
across the middle of it and uh, a robe and
they uh, beat his head into the computer
monitor and we won't find out any of, of
what happened with that for another hour.
We have the kids going out into the woods
and being handcuffed together and left
to stay out there overnight and then
having to come back to camp at the end.
Nothing happens with that.
Other than it being more time for
them to drop some exposition on.
One of them, the ways in which
they are gay and how they got here,
Emily: Jordan, who has all of the
powers, like apparently this writer
of this film assumes that non-binary
people have like, are just magic.
We are, I mean, I, believe that.
I wish it was in a
different film than this.
Magically Delicious Yeah.
Magic in a lot of ways.
And you know, like Jordan
is like, oh look, there's a
person with a mask over there.
I'm gonna talk to them.
Like, even though nobody in this
movie talks like normal people,
nobody in this movie does anything
like a normal person would.
Jeremy: So Nurse Molly who has then
uh, gone out to the cabin, which has
like all sorts of things over the,
the windows and everything is boarded
up and it's just full of meat hooks.
And, and chains.
For no apparent reason.
And then she finds a, a very fresh lock
on a back door that leads to another room.
But Cora will appear from nowhere to
be like, Hey, what the fuck, Molly?
Are you not with the program?
Do you not, you're not allowed
to explore if you're cool.
We also have Veronica are angry, bisexual,
admitting to Kim that she's not actually
angry and also she's a college student.
And telling Kim that it's definitely
not cool that this adult was sexually
harassing her a high school student.
And then she will immediately have sex
with this high school student in a long
and surprisingly graphic sex scene.
that will be pretty closely followed
by uh, Stu going swimming and being
met out in the water by Gabriel, who
still will attempt to convince himself.
Looks like a girl before.
Gabriel's like, no, I don't.
And then they uh, make out in the
water and then go back to the weird,
scary cabin so that they can have sex.
But it turns out that Gabriel is a plant.
Gabriel is actually the honey
pot of the camp there to.
Have sex with random teenagers so that
they can prove that they're not, not
gay yet, and then can torture them by
doing some, some clockwork orange shit.
But with the pictures from
the front of Banana Republic.
Yeah.
Ben: proving how committed he is
to the cause of not being gay by
endlessly seducing an infinite
series of teenage boys into sex
Jeremy: The Wild.
There's so many wild things about this,
including that I, theoretically, the
people running this camp have a, a,
a moral objection to people being gay
and having same sex relationships,
so they keep Gabriel around to
seduce other boys and have sex with
them, because I guess that's cool.
Emily: I feel like there's a lot of
shaming of people who are like in
denial or there is this whole thing
about like, hypocrisy, these freaks
judging other people The, uh, the
presentation of that is rough, R U
f F rough, and that's another pin.
That's my third pin.
I can't remember what my other two were,
but hopefully my, my rage will remind
Jeremy: me.
Yeah.
So they, they bring shocked stew back
to men, nurse Molly to fix up and
nurse Molly's like, what the fuck did
you shock this kid with a car battery?
And everybody's like, yeah, we
thought you were cool, Molly.
Don't worry
Emily: about it.
Don't worry about that.
Morgan: It's not even like an
elective shock like machine.
It's literally just a car battery
that they hook him up too.
You Yeah.
Ben: If they can, yes.
I am comfortable torturing
children on your job application.
And also they,
Emily: this technique does not
it like, first of all, I'm not
even gonna go there anyway.
Ben: Properly appreciate though
that this movie features a scene of
someone tricking of like a gay person
tricking someone into sex and then
explicitly calling himself a predator.
Yeah.
Emily: Does that happens kind
of twi, like, there's two that
Ben: a couple times I fucking hated
Emily: so much.
I fucking, fucking, like,
I fucking hated it too.
And I'm like, if you're trying to
make a comment about how people feel
that way, it's not coming off my dude.
This is like, just, you're just saying
it like you're not just, you're not
saying like, and isn't that fucked up?
Like No, you're, you're
just being like, woo.
Like I don't know if you're too
in it or not in it enough that
you understand the situation.
I'm talking to the writer
specifically John Langton, or
whatever the fuck his name is.
I can't remember.
Stewart Landon.
I'm sorry.
John Logan.
John Logan.
I'm so sorry.
I did like that gladiator
Ben: don't hook up with
incomprehensibly European, Lucifer
crying paintings come to life.
Emily: That actor is Brazilian.
He is very beautiful.
Ben: He is very, he is
extremely beautiful.
And I was some eyebrows.
Um, I love it.
He has some everything.
Oh my God.
Morgan: I, I was very shocked
when he took off the shirt.
I was like, wow.
He is, yeah, Phoenix, you would
not expect him to be ripped.
But then he takes his shirt
off and he's like super ripped.
And you're like, how is he
Ben: hiding that?
You see his arms in the obstacle course?
And I was like, oh, I see the fuck.
Are you hiding under that shit?
I know.
I'm seeing those cons.
I know.
And then like, them goddamn steel coils.
This,
Emily: yeah, this Remi like, it reminds
me of like a gag in a, like a kung fu
movie where the skinny guy like takes
off his shirt and it's like he's so,
he's like, it's a completely different
actor under there, you know, obviously.
But like in this case it is the same actor
Jeremy: so we have then Jordan
Alexander and Toby decided that
they're going to steal the bus.
And drive off during the night,
a thing that will not happen
and will never come up again.
At which point Toby makes the first
mention of the movie that he's in
love with Stu and they're practically
engaged now despite them having
zero chemistry and Stu having just
literally fucked somebody else.
And they, say at this point that there's
no way that they can leave through
the woods here or back down the path.
It's too dangerous.
They don't know where they fuck they are.
They should like, it would be dangerous
to do that and they shouldn't.
A thing which they will quickly forget.
Because in the night we will then have
a, a scene of our two camp counselors,
Sarah and Zane fucking sort of dry
humping while looking at pictures of
these teenage campers that they have
been sexually assaulting and harassing
throughout the day from their own
Ben: phones.
You guys put another pin in that one?
Yeah, we're gonna go back to that.
Mm-hmm.
Jeremy: They're then ax murdered
by the slasher, who remembers that
this is a slash or movie suddenly
because they killed the two of them.
And then they go hang out in
the water and uh, kill Gabriel.
Who discovers that
baths are his dead body.
It's just floating in the water
cuz that's, There's a whole woods
around them and the killer apparently
just threw the dead body into
the lake where people do go swim.
I, I want people
Ben: appreciate, it's in aing
of this movie, you get a slasher
kill at the very beginning.
The next slasher kill is not until
like 50 minutes into the movie.
Yeah.
And that's, and it's Valar who
nobody will even notice is Ted.
Emily: Yes.
Ab Abso nobody.
No.
Nobody fucking talks about it.
Nobody.
Like,
Ben: there's not even a, Hey, have you
Emily: seen around?
Yeah.
Ben: Baby's wandering.
Jeremy: I mean, I assume somebody
said, Hey, have you seen Valar around?
And somebody's like, oh, thank God.
No.
That guy's crazy.
Ben: Valar feels like a character
that like wasn't in the original
draft of the movie, but they tested
it and they're like, Hey, this
slasher doesn't come back until
literally like hour 20 of this movie.
You need another kill somewhere.
So they did a bunch of re-shoots
to like add Balthazar into a few
Jeremy: scenes.
I don't even think he's in the
same shot with other people.
Ben: That's what I'm saying.
Like he's a reshoot character where like
they had to be like, and we're the step
and then pan over to Beltazar by himself.
Emily: Right.
Yeah, right.
That's right.
Yeah.
Ben: Oh my God.
Shoot character.
I'm telling
Emily: you, I, I believe you.
I hundred percent.
Believe you.
And in like the whole, I think
it was a completely different, it
must have been a different director
team, because that's why he had like
the crazy fucking mannequin house.
It was insane because there was
nothing else like that in the movie.
It was
Ben: studio note saying, you need to
have another killer earlier in the movie.
Emily: We need to make the
killer more based or something
Jeremy: like, okay.
So at this point we're following
Veronica and Kim, who decided to
go back to the main office to get
food in the middle of the night and
discover that the four dead bodies
of Beltazar and Gabriel and the camp
counselors are there and run out scared.
Owen, Kevin, Reagan summons
everybody to go stand in front of
the, thing for a while, while they
try to figure out what's going on.
Only to then just leave
the kids standing around.
He does, and this is what's wild,
is everybody in, including Molly
is outside and he, Owen says, I
don't trust these kids with guns.
Cora, take these keys from
me and go get two guns out of
the cabinet for you and me.
Cora leaves.
Cora goes into the house, we see
her go to open the gun cabinet
and then gasp that she's being
attacked by whoever this slasher is.
And then following that, Molly is
having a conversation with Jordan
and several of the other kids outside
about how like Alexandra should take
these other kids who like are NPCs.
This is an escort mission
for NPCs at this point.
Yeah.
That Alexandra and Toby, who to this
point has been established to not be
able to do anything effectively should
Ben: like, other than
steal my heart, Toby.
That's true.
Toby.
Toby is entirely a, just a pure
stereotype, and yet me is to be
the best character, like by far.
Yeah.
Jeremy: they decide that these two
should go on an NPC escort mission
to take the kids out of town.
Molly gives up her phone and says,
as soon as you get to where their
signal, call the police a thing black
trans women notoriously love to do.
And yeah.
Molly runs off to go do something
and then Jordan decides to go into
the house where Owen has disappeared
now and like, It goes to go get guns.
It discovers there's
nobody at the gun cabinet.
The gun cabinet's still locked.
They try to open it.
And they hear Owen Cummings, so
they go hide in the closet where
they find Cora's dead body having
been killed by the slasher.
The, the
Ben: timeline of this
sequence is impossible.
Literally makes zero fucking sense.
Yeah, yeah.
Jeremy: It entirely avoidable.
Doesn't make
Ben: sense.
Anna is, it's it's night crawler.
She teleported while everyone's
back was turned, did a little
murder and then teleported
Emily: back.
Jeremy: So here's where like, Owen
comes in and is looking for Cora.
Cora's obviously dead in the closet,
so he doesn't, he doesn't find her.
And Jordan is hiding in
the closet when we so
Ben: fucking clever movie.
So fucking clever.
I hate it.
I hate this.
Emily: I didn't even think about that.
I didn't even think about
that, but oh my God.
When
Jeremy: the slasher shows up to
kill Owen and reveals that they are
in fact Anna Clumsky nurse Molly
who his name is not actually Molly.
Not that that matters.
It's Angie.
Molly apparently was the person
that was killed in the first part
of the movie who is, you know, was
supposed to be the new nurse here.
I
Ben: had her as Nurse Veep
in my notes, if that helps.
Oh, yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Angie, Angie killed her and then took
her place because nobody, I guess,
got any sort of photo with any of this
information about her coming to camp.
And it turns out that Molly
slash Angie is a former student
entrance camper from this camp.
Victim.
Victim who has, has come to get
her, I would argue, just revenge.
Ben: Extremely, a hundred percent.
Yeah.
Jeremy: And uh, yeah is is having a
confrontation with Owen when uh, Jordan
comes out and then holds a gun on
Owen and Angie slash Molly is like,
yeah, he tortured me, he tortured you.
He has tortured all these
kids for all these years.
We should kill him.
And at that point I lost my
shit cuz Jordan is like, no,
I don't think that's right.
I think we should just trust the
police to do the right thing.
Ben: Yo, what if centrism was the answer?
Fuck, to totally trust
Jeremy: that the police in it's
filmed in Georgia, I don't know if
it's supposed to be set in Georgia.
They don't say that the police in this
rural country in the middle of nowhere
will arrest this man who has four decades
been torturing queer youth at this camp.
That once they reveal these photographs
that have no real connective evidence
to him whatsoever that the police will
do the right thing and arrest him.
Luckily Angie doesn't give a
fuck what they think and uh,
shoves him onto a rhinoceros horn.
Which yes, there's a lot of heads
of, of dead creatures in this
room cuz he loves the hunting.
And then that kills him and he dies.
And then I guess Angie just stays there
and lets herself be arrested by the
police and everybody else, including
Jordan, is like, yeah, this nurse who
was the only person who actually looked
out for us in this camp was a murderer
of these people who tried to torture us
and you should definitely arrest them.
And then they have a hangout on
the front porch of their dorm.
All of the NPCs have
gone home at this point.
So it's just the characters that
actually matter, and they're like,
Hey, we're cool and free now.
It's gonna be great.
And then the fucking movie ends with
Jordan stepping into the sunlight
and looking out into the middle
distance, and that's fucking it.
Ben: Do they have a rides back to town?
There's the bus, I guess all the
bus we're definitely arresting
people and, and I'm sorry, the
Emily: only has flight as well
because they're non-binary.
So they have invisibility
flight, not flight
Jeremy: teleportation, no.
Ben: Jordan, yeah.
Teleport.
I Oh, teleportation.
Okay.
Within, in the context of this movie,
when Jordan has the gun pointed at
Kevin Bacon and all that, the only
acceptable reason for me, the audience
member, for them to not kill Kevin
Bacon is that they know that Impalment
by Rhino horn is a way cooler death.
Morgan: I can understand not
wanting to murder a human being,
because that is like difficult.
Well, what I can't understand is why they
just didn't walk away like I would if I
were in that situation, I'd probably be
like, I can't murder someone, but I'm
also not gonna stop you from doing it.
I'm just gonna walk away and
whatever happens, keep this
Emily: gun and make sure no one finds
this gun with my fingerprint on it.
Jeremy: After murders him, she's
like, Hey Jordan, I understand that
you didn't want to kill this guy.
That's fine, but you know what?
We can just frame him and say this whole
thing was him and that like, we, this
was all self-defense and then we can
go around shutting down all these other
camps and Jordan's like, no, why the
Ben: fuck?
Right.
Okay.
It's such a noble and also Jordan, just
because you don't want to go into the
plant to stop all conversion camps,
which is again a very noble go don't
fucking like harsh Angie's vibes.
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
Shit.
So, okay.
Ben: Oh, but it got, but y'all
isn't really, it's supposed to make
you think, cuz really isn't trying
to stop conversion camps just as
bad as running conversion camps.
No.
Okay.
So I hate this movie.
I
Emily: fucking hate this movie.
Alicia just come in with the hall of the
mountain king right here because, okay.
So we have this movie with you know,
bad writing, bad narrat, bad, bad pacing
really boring shit in the background.
Like, there's nothing really
special going on in this movie.
Things don't make sense.
Nobody talks like this.
Nobody acts like this.
You know, and this is not, I'm not
talking about like any queer culture
that they do get that wrong, but
like there's a lot of things wrong.
Just academically,
objectively with this movie.
First of all, to start regarding the
messaging, the misgendering of Alexandria.
This is the first thing other than the
murder and the very opening credits uh,
with the shitty c g i deer that apparently
is like a, apparently Angie has deer
powers Or not, or Molly, Angie, whatever.
Now we are now in conversion camp
where everyone's like, oh, I guess
Kevin Bacon saying this bullshit.
That sounds, like pretty
deliberately, like mis misleading.
But
Ben: I do gotta give
credit to Kevin Bacon.
He is effectively so charming.
It loops back around to
being extremely creepy.
Yeah.
Emily: Yeah.
but like, there's no sense of
escalation because immediately they
do one of the most traumatizing and
horrible things that you can do.
They out, they misgender, they dead
name, and the excuse that they give that
Kevin Bacon gives for being pissed off
at Alexandria and misgendering her and
putting her in with the boys camp, which
apparently there's, it's not co-ed even
though there's a bunch of scenes like
the Gleason, everybody's in their beds
and it's co-ed and what, like, I don't
know what's supposed to go on there.
Sure.
This struggle, like Alexandria's really
like intense struggle is just like, I.
A little, you know, key into
this plot about a slasher.
We go from there and they're,
and I feel like someone realize
this and they're like, okay,
well we have to make everything
after that, just really horrible.
So immediately they're like sexual
assault statutory rape and shooting
Ben: a dog.
That's what's so wild about this
movie is that it's a psychological
horror that then also has a
slasher like villain on top of it.
It's a slasher on top of
a psychological horror.
It's a weird turducken of a horror movie.
The movie
Morgan: forgets that it's supposed
to be a slasher half the time.
And yeah, what really pisses
me off gets is that it would've
been a good psychological horror
movie if it had a better writer.
Like it could have been a
good psychological horror
Ben: movie.
The terrible things it's doing
could have been justified by
an appropriately dark tone.
This movie can either do like
it's super fucked up, traumatizing
abuse, or it can be a movie where
teenagers sing along to pink.
Yeah.
This fucking lane.
Look, I hate to, I hate to condemn
a movie to the binary me of all
people, but pick a fucking lane.
Emily: This is, yeah.
This is not how non-binary works.
It's not,
Ben: can't be enough.
It's not fun enough to be campy
and it's not dark enough to
earn all the fucked up shit.
It does.
Yeah.
Cuz like a
Emily: campy slasher with all of
these kids who are in conversion camp
and it doesn't involve like these
horrible, horrible like psychological
torture things that are happening.
Like this woman, this fucking therapist
who is a fucking demon, like she is, oh,
Ben: hate this lady.
Oh, hate this lady.
Emily: Great performance.
Like when you talk about, like,
people talk about smizing and how like
sometimes smiles don't reach your eyes.
Like you need to look at a picture
of this woman in this role because
she is fucking like, I don't
know how she looks so soulless.
She's like a soulless Fox news
anchor and she does a really good
job of looking like she is a fucking
alien that will take your soul out.
Ben: Yeah.
Can you talk about dead eyed,
like shark, like smart grin.
They're talking about fucking
Carrie Preston in this movie.
Jeremy: Alicia was particularly
upset by this one because uh, for
anybody who's a fan of the good
wife, she plays El Cas in that show.
Who is like, A fantastic, clearly
neuro divergent but wildly like
intelligent and creative like lawyer
character who everybody else is just
like struggling to figure out what the
fuck's going on with her all the time.
And in this, she is just the worst.
Just just the worst.
That's the, the end of the sentence.
In terms of
Ben: acting, Theo Jermaine is clearly
trying to do their best to like hold
this movie down, elevate the material,
and I like Theo Jermaine a lot.
I want them to be in better movies, but
there is one particular line delivery
they have that I had to rewind a few
times and it's when they're in the woods.
Handcuffed with Alexandra and fucking
Angie, the killer just kind of up appears.
Mm-hmm.
For no reason cuz nobody dies.
It's just her putting on a costume
and just kind of hanging out.
I guess she's just
Jeremy: there to make sure they're okay.
Weird as her.
Yeah.
She's just checking in on
them as a counselor even
though she's not allowed to.
So I guess she has to
dress as a slasher to go
Ben: check on the queer kids.
And fucking Jordan has this line
when they, when they see it, the
killer and it's just like, and
it's not scared or like cautious.
It's with the energy of like,
A conservative, middle-aged,
suburban white lady seeing a kid
on her lawn she doesn't recognize.
Yeah.
Who is that?
Yeah,
Emily: it's super put out sound.
I just love how it's like, excuse me.
We're doing a movie.
Ben: Yes.
That's exactly what it is.
It's like, it's like, it's like someone
walked on set who I'm, this is a film set.
Okay.
Who is, who is that?
Are they supposed to be here?
Tell them to stay away
from craft services?
That's not for them.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I, I, oh man.
I um, yeah.
So
Emily: much.
So they're like, they have the scene,
these like fucking cartoonishly horrifying
scenes where they're like, we're gonna be
like boys and we're gonna be like girls.
And that's the thing to what
you're saying, Morgan, is that
whoever is writing this doesn't
understand how this shit is horrible.
Yeah.
But that's not the point of the movie.
There's this, this whole scene with the
guns and then like Jordan on top of being
being able to speak up, there's their
first power established not seen you
know, invisibility powers Teleportation
Jeremy: say thing with certainty
to unsettle the antiquer,
white supremacist assholes.
Like they can just say,
Hey, I'm non-binary.
I go by they them pronouns,
and this person is like, cool.
Ben: Well played.
I, this is cool.
You did say boys and girls
Emily: fine on the rules.
You said Boys do this and girls do this.
Ben: I guess you're not,
do whatever you want.
Jordan insist being like, why
is there not a dedicated gender
queer punk at s k conversion?
Emily: Can
Jeremy: I just say part of what doesn't
work for me about a lot of this movie,
we talked about it, I think we talked
about it recently in reference to fucking
Darren and the Whale and also, you know,
Satoshi Con and Paka and I, I, we talked
about a couple of other things where this
movie has to be like, Hey, you know, we
are queer kids and we are people too.
And like the, the movie is
like soft music underneath.
Yeah.
Like, this is an important thing you're
saying and it's like fucking Yeah.
Movie.
Like we know like, Who do you think
the audience is watching this movie?
It's like, yeah, we know this
person wouldn't be saying
that to this group of people.
Like, it doesn't, doesn't make sense.
And on top of that, it's like
the whole, the whole like, I
don't know, twist of the movie.
Is that gay conversion camp bad actually?
Yeah.
And all of us are like, yeah, yeah.
Ben: No shit.
I do.
It's bad.
Ok.
I think something like so many horror
movies, the general premise is what
if thing that is traditionally not
dangerous was in fact very dangerous.
And this movie is like, what if terrible
thing was just as terrible as you
Emily: think it is?
Yeah.
Like, how are you gonna come back
from the fucking outing of Alexandria?
Like how do you come back
Ben: from that?
The premise is what you
can't, conversion camps exist
Emily: in the next scene.
She is playing tug of war
and she's fucking smiling.
She's smiling like it's
a fucking different day.
And it's different.
Like, you know, like the way that
she's fucking, like, everyone's
just like, haha, we're just
kids and we're just doing stuff.
And Oh look it Jordan's over here
wearing a dress because they can do
Ben: that.
Because I want that dress though.
I do want that dress.
It's a dress.
I know, I know it's overdesigned,
but I still want it.
Well that's like
Morgan: another thing that I have an
issue with the movie is the pacing.
Cause like, this is all
taking place over how Pac
Ben: No.
Like,
Jeremy: no.
They say at the beginning
that the camp is a week.
This movie lasts three days.
Emily: What the fuck?
As far as we
Jeremy: know, what was the night?
It's the night.
Going into the fourth
day when this movie ends
Morgan: at the beginning, over a
summer would've made more sense.
Cuz then they would've built up
the bonds and like we would've
had more time for Kevin Bacon
do like 50 to be a creepy fuck.
Cause he, he comes off as like trying
to be like, oh, I'm your friend,
Ben: you know?
Yeah.
It's very much youth Pastor Energy.
Yeah.
He has this,
Emily: yes.
This youth pastor Energy.
And then they go to the, the,
the range, the shooting range.
And then he's like, okay,
which one of you is a killer?
And it's like the, okay, yeah,
this happens in the military, but
like someone who understands that
kind of manipulation and as we are
led to believe that he understands
that kind of manipulation mm-hmm.
Doesn't turn to turn that quickly.
Right.
Yeah.
Also, all of the kids have the guns.
Fucking I don't, I can't remember the name
of the, the meathead guy that's about to
fucking sledgehammer the dog to death.
Zane,
Ben: Zane.
Zane stereotype, which, oh God.
Oh God.
You get the gay sadist and predatory
lesbian in like one anti power couple.
Yes.
Yeah.
Emily: So he's like the
gay sad in remission.
Like fucking, so he's about to sludge
hammer the dog and Owen's there.
All these kids have guns and
like, they're just straight up
like, okay, euthanize this dog.
Now that you, we know that you can shoot
pine cones off of this fucking tree, we're
gonna be like, okay, euthanize the dog.
And all these kids are like, boo boo boo.
And I'm like, yo, these
kids are not that naive.
Like, that's another thing is that
Jordan, apparently their non-binary
power gives them the power to say no.
And nobody else can say no.
Like, Toby's freaking out.
Yeah.
I can get my Toby's freaking
out, but like, what?
Jeremy: I wanna zero chance Toby is gonna
hit that dog, even if he does shoot dog.
Yeah.
Ben: Toby needs, cause
he's like, way close.
Way close.
Also, is this a standard
part of like the, the class?
Like, is Kevin Bacon just showing
up at the shelter like every fucking
Tuesday being like, just gimme the
oldest and sickest dog you got.
Emily: I've got a dog shelter.
Yeah.
And he like, and then he says
like, put down this sick old hound.
And at that point I'm like, all right.
All right, kids.
Jordan, I know you can shoot
like yeah, your crack shot.
Shoot all their balls off.
Just shoot all their balls off.
You know, oh, also
Ben: this weird propensity like God at
that shooting scene when fucking beard
MCSAs challenges uh, Jordan to like the
shooting contest and we get that creepy
as fuck thing about being hunted, which
by the way doesn't come into play.
Those who never have a end
up having a conflict again.
But also just that and also the therapy.
Like why are people
calling Theo Jermaine ugly?
Theo Jermaine is objectively not ugly.
Emily: Yeah.
All of, well, yeah, so all of the
the main characters of this movie
are, you know, supermodel quality.
Like, you know, their
cheekbones will cut you.
And that is, you know, even though
we do have characters like that are
not of the like extreme Hollywood
bo body type in the background, but
their, their opinions don't matter.
We don't hear their prepared
Jeremy: voices.
Yeah, I mean, I, I, I mean, I gotta
say, I, I've kept referring to her
as the Fat one, Sophia Palm Romero's
character, who I guess is named Jamie
Lee in the script, cuz it's never
said in the movie is extremely cute.
She's just like, not a traditional build.
She's very pretty.
But like yeah, I kept
Morgan: waiting for her to have a line.
Cause I'm like, yay, there's
a weird fat character.
Woohoo.
And then like nothing.
Yeah.
Emily: Fuck you Movie.
Yeah.
And that also has a whole thing about like
this movie androgyny standards and stuff.
Like,
Ben: you know, I know that this
movie was in all likelihood made
with nothing but good intentions and
trying to truly tell a horror story
for and defending queer communities.
But you know what, there's a reason
that it's such a common saying.
The road to hell is paved
with good intentions.
Emily: Absolutely.
And you also like need
input on stuff like this.
Like you need, none of these
people talk like real people.
The fact,
Ben: I mean, God, if I'm trans non-binary
and I use they them pronouns, this is my
very naturalistic way of introducing this.
And not at all like an
mite shalan character.
Emily: Oh my God.
And also, they're the
only one at this camp.
Jeremy: So, okay.
I have to say though, like the thing
that bothers me most in this movie is
the end for various reasons, but not the
least of which is this was made in 2022.
It's made last year.
Yeah.
Like the fact that.
They call the cops, first of all, Nope.
the transplant girl runs out
through the woods with these
other people and calls the police.
The police then come in past this parade
of dead straight white people that they've
lined up in there and do not tackle hutch
or even like, handcuff any of these kids.
Or like really seemingly
forcefully interrogate them is
bullshit, is absolute bullshit.
Like the just a kind of, it like
is inexcusable now, like Yeah, it's
Morgan: wild.
Like Kevin Bacon even said that like,
don't bother reporting to the police.
Cause I'm like respecting this town.
I'm friends with the police.
Emily: He says, I'm Chamber of Congress.
He's on the Chamber of Commerce.
Yes,
Ben: exactly.
Small town fucking FTO bullshit.
So you
Morgan: already know the police are
going to side with him regardless.
Yo
Ben: kids call
Emily: at the, and at the end
how fucking Jordan is coming out.
Like with all this grace.
As this wave of police officers
just completely ignore them.
And I think I would have to chalk that up
to their non-binary invisibility powers.
Mm-hmm.
But
Ben: it's generally the most
understandable explanation.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
Because cops only see in binary.
Jeremy: I mean, it's like, I, I couldn't
help but think, and this is a unfair
comparison to make because I couldn't
help but think of Get Out one of the best
horror movies that's been made, right.
Next to this.
And the fact that like, at the
end of Get Out, that cop car like
comes on and you're like, shit.
Like, yeah, shit, it's, he's dead.
Like there's, there's no way that
they're gonna see this house full
of dead white people and believe
or even listen to a thing he says.
And this movie, a fleet of cop cars show
up and they're just like, oh, this gay
conversion camp was hurting children.
We didn't know.
Everybody's free to go.
Except, except you, Molly.
Emily: Because you're in a weird
slasher outfit because you lied.
That
Jeremy: has us weird.
You didn't tell us the
truth about who you're
Ben: Yes, Molly.
If you had just told us that you were
a murderer, we would've let you go.
Also, you only go to jail
cuz you try to cover it
Emily: up.
I have this, I have an issue
with the imagery of the face,
like the mask being two faces.
Like it's a very
Ben: boring face.
It's very boring.
It's boring face.
It's a very boring design for the killer,
Emily: but it is a sort of a
reference to a lot of like the
classic even all chemical, like what
they call the Andrew giant imagery.
Mm-hmm.
Which is, the half and half where
it's split down the middle, which
is still like a very binary way
to depict something like that.
Not to say that that's not valid for
people who do identify like that,
but in this movie it is a gimmick.
Like we, you can unpack that
like, lying down the middle
imagery in a meaningful way.
I feel like this movie was, was saying
like, there's meaningful imagery, but then
they don't unpack it and they just becomes
fucking problematic as everything else.
Morgan: It's interesting Jeremy, that
you brought up Get Out because I was
thinking about Get Out when I was
watching this movie because I was like,
if someone had taken this idea, I.
Of like the gay conversion camp as
a psychological horror and make a
movie that was like similar to get
out, it would've worked Really?
For sure.
Well, yeah.
Emily: You're hundred
Morgan: percent right, like it And
that's what pisses me off cuz the
Ben: movie league Oh yeah.
I'm not saying would've been really good.
Like there it no way saying you
can't make a good movie set at or
exploring gay conversion camps.
Yeah.
Fuck.
One of my favorite movies of all
time but I'm a cheerleader is Yeah.
Set at a gay conversion camp.
Like it can be done if it had embraced
the psychological horror, if it had earned
that tone and the given the characters
the depth to properly explore that.
But as it is, it the fuck it, the tone
in the story goes in so many directions
and it doesn't go far enough in any of
'em to have a true voice or identity.
Yeah.
It's moving
Jeremy: like a handful of ones that
we've watched over the course of
this is like, it is so bad in a
way that makes you go, you know,
what would've been a better movie?
Yeah.
Immediately.
Yeah.
Like I, I've come up with at least
five different versions of this
that are better, the most basic of
which steals the idea of another
like Kevin Bacon horror movie.
Instead of having it be like Angie,
you have that be Angie's mom, who's
like, can't come into suicide cuz she
was here and like, instead of blaming
herself for sending her kid to conversion
camp, she like blames these ki these
guys and has to go kill them and,
and, you know, destroy all this shit.
And Angie, that she's the slasher and
like, immediately that's a better movie.
It's still not a great movie,
but like there's, I wanna see
Ben: better ways.
I do wanna appreciate Toby a
little bit just being told like,
dress gender appropriate and Toby
fucking comes out in fucking pearls.
Emily: Oh yeah.
I love Toby.
I do love Toby.
He is a stereotype, but he has
fucking a character though.
Like Toby has
Ben: a great music, he's given nothing
Jeremy: to do.
So much fun character that they didn't
bother to put an arc in there for
Emily: him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: Did anyone else just know that
the nurse was the killer as soon as
she was the one sympathetic adult?
Just by virtue of Oh, well she's
the only one who it could then
be a surprise to be a killer.
Emily: I was hoping that they would
actually go ahead and make Jordan the
killer because then they would like, you
know, that would be problematic in its
own ways, depending on how they did it.
But at the same time, like.
Ben: Oh, that would've been so cool.
I would've, I definitely would've
been more into it than, yeah.
Morgan: Yeah, I also thought
it was gonna be Jordan,
Emily: Or like Jordan was in on
it instead of the Gabriel thing.
Ben: oh my God.
Jeremy: Do, do we wanna
talk about Gabriel first?
Or do we wanna talk about the series
of rapes that Kim goes through in this
Emily: movie?
First?
Can I, can I say one thing really quick?
Before, before we get into that, I
wanna see a movie where Alexandria
does like, lead these kids, on a
mission through the woods against like,
weirdos and cops and stuff like that.
And like, it's like an odyssey
because like, she, she pitched
this movie when she left out there.
She's like, I'm a black trans woman.
I can do all that in heels.
And I'm like, okay.
Jeremy: then she says uh, Alicia
had me write this line uh, step
up your pussies to the, yeah.
Emily: And then she's like
shitty to them, I guess,
Jeremy: Alicia heard to step
up your pussies, which um, That
Emily: would've been better.
That would've been a better line.
Step up your pussies, get those
pussies out and let's get 'em pounding.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Idea that a black trans woman
would be leading a group of people
through the woods Period, regardless of
what sort of shoes they were wearing.
I'm
Ben: general Moses retelling.
We're pitching here.
Emily: I wanna see that movie
with a slasher in it that's like
different, but that's not the movie.
That movie did not occur on camera in this
Jeremy: film.
I think my ideal for this movie
is the, what we're talking about
where things escalate and they get
slowly worse over the course of it
being like, not three days, not a
week, but like a month or a summer.
Yeah.
And then like, yes.
Eventually it becomes like
they have to get away.
and they're trying to get away and have
to fight their way through these like,
you know, counselors who are actively
slashing at them and trying to stop
them and they have to like kill their
way through the counselors to get out.
It
Ben: would've been great.
Yeah.
It would've kept it consistent.
It would've been like that mayhem
first purge you know, ready or not
that act three violence, catharsis.
Instead we get like, enlightened Centrism
Jordan walking down into the middle of
the camera being like, No one needs to
save me, like they say, having absolutely
needed saving and having just been saved.
Emily: I just, I wanted Toby
to a, to accidentally shoot
one of the guys' balls off.
That would've been cool.
And then Jordan shoots the other one.
Little love that.
Yeah,
Jeremy: I mean, really we're one
step away from Bill Mar sitting
down with Owen at the end and
having a conversation about, oh
Ben: my fucking
Emily: God.
Oh my
Ben: fucking God.
I mean, the movie gets way too
close to being like, but isn't the
woke mind virus the real enemy?
So
Emily: Let's, let's talk about Kim baby.
She deserved better baby
Jeremy: Kim.
I'm, I'm so, I'm so troubled by
Kim because Kim's, Kim's story is
literally like, but I'm a cheerleader.
Where, you know, she's like,
oh, I was a straight cheerleader
girl who everything was great.
And then like, oh, maybe I'm gay.
And then like she literally
gets sexually assaulted by the
like, female counselor by Sarah.
And then like, Goes out to have a
smoke, at which point, like Alexander
or Veronica comes to talk to her and
is like, Hey, is everything okay?
And Kim's like, Hey, I just
got sexually assaulted.
And Veronica's like, that's fucked up.
You want, I, it turns out
I'm not actually a teenager.
I'm a college student who's an undisclosed
number of years older than you.
You want have sex about it.
Like, and it's like,
I need to know how old you this
Ben: case.
It's, it's,
Morgan: yeah.
I was, she was like 19 or something.
Emily: Yeah.
That she was also in
early, early college or
Ben: something.
That this, this could be 19 to 17.
This also could be 21 to 16.
Yeah.
We don't know.
Emily: That's true.
Ben: Also, you know, that natural reaction
to after you've just been like sexually
assaulted, you're just immediately ready
for a good old, for like a real hookup.
Yeah.
That
Morgan: was the part that
bothered me more than the thing.
Yeah.
Cause I just assumed that
they were close in age.
I
Ben: mean, it's a, I mean,
is sex isn't sexual assault,
like, you know, some bad food.
You gotta wash out the bad
sex taste with good sex taste.
Is that what this movie's arguing?
Apparently.
Emily: I mean that the quickness.
Like I know that, that the
sexual, I mean, that's, here's
the thing, here's the thing.
It's complicated.
It's a lot more complicated
than this shit, you know?
like a sexual assault and then like a you
know, let's get past it kind of fucking
sex scene That's not good messaging.
Y'all like that.
At the very
Jeremy: least.
At the very least, there needs to
be a point where Veronica's like,
Hey, let's slow down for a second.
Is this okay?
Are you okay?
Like, yeah, not like Veronica's,
like as soon as they start kissing
Veronica's, like, let me pull your pants
off and go down on you on this dock.
Yeah.
In in broad daylight on this
dock in the middle of the lake.
And this camp, which we now know is
just chaa block with sexual predators.
Emily: Yeah.
It would've been nice if there was like a
little bit of, I don't know, discussion.
Ben: I'm worried about the Giardia.
Emily: I mean that too, I mean, there's
bodies in that lake, like that's
Jeremy: another thing about
who is swimming in the lake?
Alicia's like, that thing is so dirty.
Yeah.
Why are they, why are they
making this poor child swim
Emily: this lake?
I mean, yeah, hopefully that was
a pool and there was grain screen
and all that kinda shit, but.
Here's another thing that I think
is really important about this movie
that is a little bit more because
of the, you know, queer sex is
great and we should, celebrated.
Mm-hmm.
But the way that all of these
scenes are framed, like, steamy
Romance novel, straight Encounters.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, the fact that it is a movie
about queer kids, you know, and
they're trying to be themselves, and
obviously nobody spoke to anybody
queer about their experience.
Because this, there's no,
there's no communication.
Mm-hmm.
And the one thing that I have learned
as I've been going through my life and
recovering from the nineties is that
this fucking stereotypical, they just
kiss kind of shit, is one of the most
problematic things that, you know,
involved in how people see sexual assault.
That's not romance, right?
Like, you don't just touch somebody.
You don't just fucking kiss somebody.
And that's why it's so, so baffling.
They're just like sucking
face immediately, you know?
And I was happy for them.
But the, the setup for
that was very like tired.
And also the setup for Stu and Gabriel.
Jeremy: I gotta say like even if
there's not that sort of age gap
between them, even if it is 17 and 19,
there's clearly an experience gap there.
Yes.
And like that is definitely the
sort of thing that if you are the
Veronica in this scenario, you
should be mindful of Absolutely.
I dunno.
It's, it's very, it's the, everything
about this scene, which is framed
unambiguously as a romance scene
between these two characters in
the movie is troubling to me.
Emily: I thought it, they were gonna
get immediately killed because of
how, cuz of this being a slasher movie
and how like, explicit the scene was.
Ben: The movie ends with fucking Kim being
like, oh, Veronica, you'll come with me
and we'll come out to my parents together
Jeremy: and that'll be fun.
Like,
Ben: I'm like, what?
Emily: Yeah.
A lot of this, like, we're better now
because we, I know we talk to our parents.
Ben: I know we got the U-Haul stereotype,
but can we make it to this, can, can
we get to the second date Please.
Jeremy: Also, if this, if this movie
runs five more minutes there, that
ends with them getting married.
Like Yeah.
With, with them getting married
and Toby and Stu getting
married and it, I because to
Ben: Stew's family now, after they shared
a grand total of like one scene together.
Emily: Yeah.
Maybe they went on a car race
Jeremy: and fucking Jordan
becomes president, I guess.
I don't know like
Ben: great.
That we're all going, wait, no I
wouldn't, I would not vote for Jordan.
That Peter Buddha yank fucking central.
Emily: Oh shit.
Morgan: I dunno.
For Toby.
Emily: Toby would be, yeah.
Ben: Yes.
Toby for President.
Toby.
I meant
Morgan: Toby would've shot, shot him.
Emily: Yeah.
Toby would
Ben: shot.
That would've been a character arc.
That would've
Emily: been a total arc.
Yes, exactly.
Like Toby's, like they're not afraid
of Toby cuz he's afraid of the gun and
then he is like right on the balls.
Ben: It's not an arc to have
someone like who's a killer now.
People can shoot people.
I've seen diehard a lot.
Yeah.
That was Al Powell's character Arc.
Toby, I not Al Powell.
It's good enough for Toby.
Emily: Toby should have
shot Zane Powell's lot.
Child murderer.
And Jordan should have, anyway, what
Jeremy: we're talking about and how
people die I do wanna point out that all
of the murder scenes suck in this movie.
Yeah.
The one that pissed me off is like
the first murder scene in the opening
credits, which traditionally at
least in, in recent years, is often
a very explicit like, murder scene.
It's a tone setter.
Right, right.
And this one is like, we see
her swing an ax at the window.
It apparently goes through this
window like its fucking cheese paper
and like, then the blood splashes.
Out and across the windshield as if she
has slashed across the woman's chest.
When for her to have hit her, like
obsessed, she either had to like
break the glass and then swing again.
Or like she swung through the
glass and into the woman's chest.
And then like, you might have gotten
some blood, like directly splashed
out, but it would not have been like
display of blood across the windshield.
So like it only makes sense for her
to have busted the window open and
then slashed across the woman's chest
with her arms inside the car somehow.
For this to happen out.
Not to like Dexter Morgan out on
this shit, but like cut away to
the blood doesn't make any sense.
Well,
Morgan: I think it's weird that they're
like, we're okay with graphic sex scenes.
Mm-hmm.
And nudity.
We're okay with league Very, very
disturbing psychological abuse.
It's like very disturbingly upsetting.
But violence is too,
violence is a step too far.
We, we can't show Leg Gore.
Emily: We can't show Gore, but we
can show underage girls' butts.
But this is
Morgan: a, and we're a slasher
movie, but we don't wanna show
Emily: Gore.
Yeah.
This won't be a fucking
Jeremy: slasher movie.
There's too much blood
in this horror movie.
Emily: Yeah.
Although, I will say for a movie with
kind of Lingus in it, there are no,
like, there's, there's no like topless
girl nipple, like girl coded nipple.
Yeah.
Even though I, I felt like, Gabriel should
have been wearing a bra, although I don't,
Ben: I mean, not to,
not that that's shame.
Jeremy: Not that this particular position
is, is somewhere that I, I've been before.
But like I, you know, I am familiar
with the process of coning that much.
is it traditional when you're doing
it out in public for the person giving
it to, for some reason take off their
pants before going, going down on
the other person, like, it seemed
like a weird decision for her to be
like, and I'm gonna strip down too.
Emily: And then also that dock.
Oh yeah.
That
Ben: splinters.
Splinters.
Oh, splinters.
I'm worried about filming.
Emily: Yeah.
I hope those, those, those that was
particle board that was painted,
because otherwise yeah, you got
splinters, you got wood mites.
You got, I'm
Ben: sure.
Yeah.
And
Jeremy: she is like being pretty
active, like chest and thighs
against the boards on that thing.
I was like,
Emily: yeah.
I, especially when you're gyrating
Jeremy: the lips be unnecessary
in this scenario and ow
Ben: Yeah.
Yeah.
What they don't show you is the
aftercare where fucking Kim has to
pull like 10 splinters out of her
Emily: ass.
Yeah.
God.
Poor Kim.
And, Gabriel.
Ben: Oh my god.
Fucking Gabriel.
Oh my
Emily: God.
Jeremy's leaving.
Don't serious, Jeremy.
All right.
Morgan: Well, um, I
Ben: like how this, I like how
the character goes, like, Ooh,
let me have extra cookies, as if
that fucking actor has ever eaten
a cookie in his goddamn life.
I'm
Emily: sure he ate protein cookies.
Yeah.
Jeremy: You see Ben, you see Ben.
It's a metaphor.
He's getting, he's getting the extra
cookies, which is I guess the same as
them just letting him fuck whatever.
Teenage boys come to the camp Chip,
prove that they're not straight enough.
Morgan: I, I mean, I like, I know about
the flirty fishing thing, that is a
time honored tradition in Christianity.
Getting people to sleep
with people to convert them.
But I.
He could've just like flirted
with the guy and that would've
been enough to be like, see he
Ben: gay.
No, no.
He needs to take it up the ass
with no lube exa that bothered me.
So that bothered me so much.
No lube he took, just plug
it dry right in there.
Oh, that bothered so much.
Ow,
Emily: ow.
After being in water,
Morgan: he didn't even spit
in his hand or anything.
It was like, just
Emily: nothing, also I
Jeremy: feel like it's really implied
that Stu hasn't had sex with men
before that he's just attracted, but
like he just goes to fucking town on.
Emily: Oh yeah.
He's like, he's like the fucking top gun.
He's like sliding into that, that hangar.
Like he's a fucking fighter pilot.
Like talk about Maverick
Ben: Stu being like, I'm worried
Stu, I'm worried I won't be
able to be like a frat boy.
Clearly already being a frat boy
on his way to being one of those
like impossibly macho gay guys.
Emily: Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: Like the kind word, the kind of
masculine ideal that you have, like
fucking tart Tucko Carlson and the
conservative Judds, like complaining
about, about like that level of.
Ultra masculinity exists and it is
in the gayest dudes you've ever met.
Oh
Emily: yeah.
So this, this is tangentially reminding
me of something else that I was feeling
about this was that like, this was,
the thing about Gabriel and Stu is
that their, their whole look was like
the biggest, best fucking yai fantasy.
That's when you have like the skinny
guy and the, the, you know, the slightly
wore ripped guy that's Yai right.
And the reason that I make this
Ben: twink guy with the
ripped guy, that's a yai.
That's the yai.
I am amazed I made those lyrics for
Emily: That's really fucking good.
That's good.
But in Japan, YAI is
traditionally for girls.
The stuff in the stuff that's for gay guys
is Barra, which is all like huge dudes
and them making out and stuff like that.
Like, You know, and of course things
aren't that simple, but like, this
is how that's organized there.
But like, the whole scene that just
made me really sad because like,
yes, I enjoy a barra, I enjoy a yai.
I own more Yai than Barra.
Let me tell you what,
however I felt punished.
Ben: What percentage can we
get a breakdown on the yawe de
Emily: I, I haven't done
a, I haven't, I look We'll
Ben: report back on
the ya Yeah, we'll talk
Emily: about that later.
Jeremy: Twitter, Emily feels
about slender, pale vampire types.
Emily: that dude was like, he comes
out and he's like a dream in a,
in a vision and no, it was real.
And like he's so fucking anime
and he walks into the, that water.
Like he's, fucking
amazing, beautiful creature.
And then like he, he's
making out and I'm like, oh.
And both Phoenix and I were
like, oh, they like get it.
and then I was punished for shipping
them because Gabriel is a plant and
I don't know if Gabriel is young,
old a clone, like, I don't know.
And a vampire.
Ben: A vampire.
He's a
Jeremy: fucking clone of Lord Byron.
Yeah.
An explanation.
Emily: uh,
Ben: nieheim.
I believe Gabriel is
Emily: Nieheim.
Yeah.
D I think Gabriel is straight up
in Nieheim like the fucking the
Ben: spawn of man and angel.
Emily: Yeah.
The, the therapist.
Who is this mom question mark.
Ben: Like they certainly have
a weird mommy son Roleplaying.
Yeah.
And I hate that.
Emily: I hate what that did not like,
Ben: entails like, did not like
Jeremy: only she had called him Baby Bear.
Ben: Honestly, I honestly,
I feel like, oh my god,
What a, what a weird little
movie where it's like, what if
found family is bad sometimes.
I
Emily: really wanted, but that's
the thing is I really wanted
Gabriel then to be the slasher.
Ben: That's what I thought it was.
When he's like standing over
and being like, predator pray.
I thought it was like,
Ooh, Gabriel's the slasher.
Maybe it's not the fucking super
obvious nurse that I thought it was.
Maybe the movie actually outsmarted me.
Spoilers.
It did not.
Emily: No.
And like this whole, this when, when
fucking Kevin Bacon earlier was like
the hunt and blah, blah, blah, and we
were gonna go on the hunt and, and it.
Kill things.
And I'm
Ben: like, that hunting of imagery
never goes fucking anywhere.
Yeah.
Like I
Emily: wanted it.
That was another thing is that I, I was
seeing a totally different movie where
it was like the most dangerous gay.
And so Kevin Bacon was
trying to like, find the most
dangerous gay as a challenge.
And so then it would become Kevin
Bacon hunting Jordan through the woods.
And then Jordan is like using
their wit and, and non-binary
powers of invisibility against
Ben: the most, most dangerous gay
sounds like a craven, the hunter's
like queer dating reality show.
Emily: Exactly.
And I think that we should, follow
through with that and have like the
Ben: Vena movies or anything to
go by that might legitimately
be the plot of the movie.
Yeah.
You never fucking know what you're
gonna get with these Sony movies.
Oh, the place of these
random as Spider-Man
Emily: villains.
So it wasn't the most dangerous gay,
the most dangerous Gay apparently
was a plant for That was a bad guy.
Jeremy: Important question
for you all, Uhhuh.
Is this the worst horror movie
that Kevin Bacon has been in?
Emily: No, no, no.
Jeremy: He's not.
Not worse.
Is it worse than Friday the 13th
and Hello Man, and I mean, stir
Ben: This movie did
Emily: have some better, I
mean, it's certainly worth
Ben: some tremors.
This is a, this is a, there is
better filmmaking in this than
there is in Friday the 13th.
Emily: Yeah.
Like this movie has like something
to say if it was in the right order.
Like right now this movie is like,
is trying to say, you know, queer
conversion camp bad, but it's
like is bad conversion queer?
Ben: This isn't even Kevin
Bacon, the Kevin Bacon project
with like the worst queer rep.
Because I saw a few
episodes of the following.
I haven't seen that.
Emily: I mean Oh, I've seen that.
Ben: I think, yeah, it's a movie.
I think me, yeah.
The following is a show where there's
like Kevin Bacon is trying to stop
a cult of serial killers, which is
Includes a just a very like what if Bye.
And Polly people were just
weird in predatory murderers.
Jeremy: Yeah, I think.
It might barely edge out hollow man.
Crazy.
Cause no no, no, no.
Women that I can remember are in a scene
that seems to be done for titillation.
Felt up while asleep by an invisible man.
So is that what happens
Ben: to Josh Brolin in that movie?
Jeremy: Okay, let me go through
my list of things that I was
forced to write down by Alicia.
Oh, yes, please.
The things that I wrote in
Alicia wrote down c g i s moose.
Okay.
Green pumps.
Ooh.
It's nurse, my girl.
It's in reference to Anna
Clumsky, who is also Yeah.
Yep.
In my girl.
Um, I, I'm
Ben: getting yelling.
Us going for the Veep.
Okay.
Why
Jeremy: is for me, why is this black girl
in the shower getting all of her hair wet?
Why is this so corny?
Ben: We know Why,
Jeremy: Is somebody writing this
movie very afraid of therapy?
Therapy is very evil in this movie.
This one, this note just says Glee.
Why is Jordan sleeping
in their bed in boots?
That's disgusting.
They're
Ben: just that butch.
Also Kevin, Kevin
Jeremy: Reagan.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah.
Oh, this was the one that,
this one set Alicia off.
When uh, Sarah, the counselor asks
what kind of lipstick Kim is wearing
and Kim says, coral from the mall, as
opposed to having a brand, the mall,
Ben: you know, from the mall.
From the mall.
Also, also during the glee scene, I will
say Toby's voguing is fucking legit.
Toby Vo also,
Jeremy: yes, Alicia is very upset
by the fact that the only black
man in this movie is named Toby.
Ben: Oh no, God
Emily: about that.
Oh, me neither.
Oh, no.
Oh.
Oh, look, I'm looking at myself.
Oh, no, it's showing
Ben: my, my biggest You're
gonna Mulan Rouge after this.
Jeremy: My, my biggest like thing that I
yelled at when we were watching the movie
is that Zane asks for somebody to go move
the, like target down range that he, and.
And Jordan you're shooting at.
And immediately the two black kids jump
up and are like, let's go down range.
And
Ben: I didn't notice that.
It's crazy.
Were shooting at,
Jeremy: and I was like, no fucking way.
Oh,
Ben: like, fuck no, I'm
not going near that.
Yeah.
They're like, oh, definitely guys.
That makes sense.
I could totally see the two queer black
kids willingly putting themselves in front
of a bunch of white people with guns.
God.
Yep.
Makes perfect sense.
No questions.
Emily: They were pretty miserable there.
So
Jeremy: discretion, distraction,
shots for kills, but not naked kids.
Ben: Alex fucking Alexandria,
Alexandra in the shower.
That scene bothers me so much.
Yeah.
There's so much wrong with it.
And the fact that this movie, it
again, if this had been a really
like dark psychological horror, truly
about the abuse of conversion camps,
it all could have been warranted.
But given that it has this wildly
inconsistent tone that mm-hmm.
Does it, it makes all of these terrible
things like feel as bad as they could
possibly feel watching them on screen.
Emily: Yeah.
And then like inter, in terms of
the wildness of the tone, you know,
you have like these, these graphic
scenes, but there's no nipples
Ben: when
when have sex on the dock.
I always Winnie the Poot
Jeremy: Also, like one of the things
that really bothers me is this
scene where baths are, is explicitly
watching these girls who do not know
they're being watched in the shower.
A thing which we know
as an audience is wrong.
It just decides to make us
party to the whole thing.
Yeah.
It's just here look at their asses.
Look at them naked in the shower.
It's not like no discretion shot there.
Like, it's like
Ben: it makes us fucking
accomplish this to the voy.
To the pedophilic voyeurism.
Emily: Yeah.
And there's this bit where like
in, in this climactic scene
where Kevin Bacon's like, no one
gives a hoot of uh, these kids.
And I'm like, this
Jeremy: man who was dropped
the FBO multiple times in this
movie, he's like, say fuck.
No one gives a hoot.
He just put so much wind
in hoot when he says, I
Ben: know.
Jeremy: I think my smallest,
least angry note on here is that
it is physically impossible for
Molly to have been the murderer.
Because she could not have been where
she needs to be to do the murder.
Absolutely.
But literally having a conversation
outside with other characters
while the murder is going
Emily: on.
Yeah.
Was that Yeah, that's right.
Ben: She's got teleporting hours
Jeremy: being attacked, and then like
the next thing they cut to is Molly
outside talking to Jordan with another
group of people, like it's physically
impossible for it to have happened.
Okay.
Emily: So the conversion camp actually
rem like she, she was electro shocked
out of the, the natural progress of her,
the development of her non-binary powers.
So the only thing that
she got was teleportation.
Jeremy: She was bi, but like the
electrotherapy like split the two, the
two parts into two different people.
Oh yeah.
Ben: I was bi now I'm Murdery.
Yeah,
Emily: Oh my God.
Inside you there are two murderers.
Ben: Oh, okay.
Inside you are two wolves.
Both of them are right to
wanna shut down all conversion
Emily: camps.
There is.
Okay.
There is one scene that if taken a
completely out of context, there's
like a snippet of this movie.
That is great.
This is my thesis statement.
From where she turns around after
killing Kevin Bacon and she's covered in
blood like, she turns around to Jordan.
And she's like, it gets easier.
Yes.
Like a Jordan standing there.
Like if I, like, if, if none of the other
movie happened, if it was just like a
short film of like a queer conversion
camp, you know, and then like this
slasher comes in and kills the camp
counselor that's so fucking bigoted and
then turns to the, the kid that is being
like tortured by the camp counselor
and like j with the blood all over
their face being like, it gets easier.
Like that's fucking brilliant.
Yeah.
That's
Jeremy: a great moment in inside one
of the worst scenes in the movie.
Yeah.
And they're like, they just
cut from her saying that.
Two, two playing
Ben: pretty, pretty.
Morgan: I feel like the whole final
third of the movie is just where it
goes from, like not great to like really
Emily: bad.
Yeah.
And that's the only part That's a slasher.
Morgan: Yeah.
Sad.
Like the first two parts, they're like,
it's not great, but it's like that bad.
And then it's like, oh no,
it just got really bad.
Emily: So
Jeremy: guys, let me ask
this important question.
Would you recommend people
why today slash them?
Which we don't even mention.
No.
The name is a fucking annoying
Ben: pun.
Yes.
Jeremy: Like they, they were very
specific about, you're supposed to
say it, they slash them, you see?
Cuz it's a horror
Ben: movie.
No, we didn't know.
It did not, we didn't even get
that as like a cool title drop
where it's like fucking Jordan
versus Kevin Bacon at the end.
Where after like a whole movie of
being misgendered, which by the
way, Kevin Bacon, misgendering
Jordan with he him pronouns.
Yeah.
That's a whole other movie Spark.
What the fuck does that mean?
Emily: I'm so glad that Jordan
was so honest with me and that's
why I'm outing you Alexandria.
Ben: But like, it, it would've worked
if this had been a campy movie with that
like act three, like cathartic violence
reversal that we talked about, where
it's like Jordan with a knife being like,
my pronouns are today knife slash them.
Like, and that was like the kill line.
Yeah.
That could have worked.
Emily: Like that would've been good,
even if like the rest of the movie
was the same except at the end where
Jordan has the gun and Molly or
whatever is like, you killed a guy.
And sh and then Jordan's
like, I don't know.
And then but Kevin Bacon is like,
he's not a man enough to do it or
whatever, and then Jordan is like,
just picks up a knife instead of like,
drops the gun and picks up a knife.
And he is like they slash them.
Ben: Yeah, that
Jeremy: would've been better.
Can't stop writing better movies than this
Emily: movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So don't watch this movie.
Come up with your own movie if that
they slash them make your own story.
It gets easier.
Morgan: Well, I do have some
recommendations for Heather stuff.
Yes.
One of them is a book called Camp
Carnet by Elliot Cross and Joshua
winning that I actually reviewed
on my blog, which is a slasher that
takes place at a gay conversion camp.
It ca and it came out way before
they then like even existed.
They are a lot more campy with it.
It works a lot better.
So if you're actually looking for a story
that takes place at a gay conversion camp
and is actually decent and is a actual
slasher, instead of just like in the
last third, it decides to be a slasher.
Mm-hmm.
I would check out Camp Carnage.
If you're looking for a queer
slasher that's campy, that works,
I would recommend Death Drop.
Gorgeous.
I haven't seen that.
It's a great movie.
It's about a killer drag queen.
The main character is a queer
black man, which is awesome.
And it's got some really
great gory kills in it.
Emily: Awesome.
And I, I assume it has nothing to do
with the Kingdom Hearts franchise.
Morgan: No, it's just death drop.
Gorgeous.
Emily: Yeah.
Not, not Dream Drop distance.
No, not dream.
I actually, I actually think that
Death Drop Gorgeous is pretty good.
That's a pretty good name.
Yeah.
That ones really cool.
It
Morgan: is.
The last one I'll recommend is if
you're looking for a more psychological
horror that's like, got the cult
mentality that they were kind of
trying to go for in this movie Unfail.
I would recommend the
Project by Courtney Summers.
It's about a woman who visits a
cult and then the cult is like
really friendly and she's like,
oh, they're actually not that bad.
I can see why my sister joined.
And then they start getting creepier
and you realize that, oh, maybe
they're not all like friendly
Emily: and happy narration.
They were
Ben: bad.
Yes.
Say go watch.
But I'm a cheerleader for wonderful
glorious camp, a movie truly buy and for
queer audiences and a saf love story that
makes me cry every time I like happy.
Like that movie, happy Tears.
It has a total happy ending.
And Zuko is in it.
Emily: Oh yes, I forgot.
Ben: Zuko, Dante fa Zuko.
Watch it to see Zuko Kissing Boys.
Jeremy: Nice.
Speaking of Zuko, did anybody
else get like, girl Rio vibes
Ben: from Veronica?
She's absolutely very much.
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
She had red hair and pronouns.
I got every girl I would've had a
crush on, not realizing what that
says about my own identity in college.
Yes.
Emily: Yes, same.
So if you want a movie that is has
horror elements, camp elements better
gay representation this than this
movie and Kevin Bacon watch Tremors.
Probably not intentionally
gay, but it's got vibes.
It's got vibes.
There's, there's some vibes and
they're very wholesome and I love it.
So yeah.
And no, no naked teenagers in that one.
I, I don't know what the, the
subsequent tremors movies has soccer.
If you're looking for
Ben: a movie with no teenagers, that
would make you an accomplish to a crime.
That's one of them.
Emily: That is one of them.
There are several.
They're
Ben: difficult to find these days.
Yeah.
Dozens in fact, but not more than
Emily: dozens.
Jeremy, what do you recommend?
Jeremy: Okay, so I made a whole
fucking project out of this because
the thing is, The actors in this movie.
It's not their fault.
Ben: No, it's not.
No, they're very good.
Everyone in this cast is wonderful.
Like, again, Kevin Bacon
does a really good job.
Theo Jermaine does a really good job.
All of like the other queer
teens, like they're all real good.
Like I was almost as much as we are
rashing this movie, and I do not think
this is a good movie actors involved.
Please do not take any burden of that.
You were all Yes.
Wonderful.
And did the best you could
with what you were given.
I was almost
Emily: tempted to be more forgiving
with this movie because all the actors
were so good and all of the like,
you know, there's, I was looking up
all the actors and everything and you
know, I would hang out with all of
them, including Kevin Bacon, which
make the d which would make the chart
a lot easier to follow with this.
Yeah.
Jeremy: So to that end Theo Jermaine,
though I hesitate to recommend anything by
Ryan Murphy because your, your experience
will, will differ based on who you are
is in the politician and they're great.
Who plays Alexandra is in Cam,
which is a much better horror
movie and about sex work and has
been recommended on here before.
You know, I hadn't, I haven't seen a
lot of stuff that Monique Kim is in,
but discovered that she's in something
called Street Fighter High Colon,
the musical which is exciting based
Emily: on the the, the Capcom
Jeremy: Classic.
Yes.
Based on the, the Capcom
video game franchise.
Yes.
So, Monique Kim plays who plays Veronica
and this plays Makoto in that which is
exciting and like, like I said before
Carrie Preston who plays Cora is in
both the Good Wife and the Good Fight.
The good Fight is better, but
she's in The Good Wife more.
Kevin Bacon is in fucking
Tremors, like you said.
It's a good ass movie.
I enjoy tremors.
It is somehow manages to be rural
and weird without any real like
queer bashing or anything like that.
What, go watch Anna Chomsky in
in Veep because Veep is great.
You can watch my girl if you want.
It's still okay.
Oh.
Austin Crew who plays Toby is in Book
Smart, which is also a good movie.
And Anna Lore who plays Kim is in two
episodes of Dune Patrol as penny faring.
So, go check that out too,
cuz Doom Patrol's Great.
So, yeah, go see those things
instead of seeing they slash them.
Cause you can't not, you can't unsee
this movie once you've watched it.
Fantastic.
I think that's all the recommendations
there Now just to wrap up Morgan, can
you let people know more about where
they can find you talking about hopefully
some things you do actually like online?
Morgan: Yes.
You can find me at my blog, which is
diversity horror.blogspot.com where
I talk about some of my favorite
horror books by diverse authors.
So, B I P O C queer people,
people with disabilities.
Anyone who is basically a minority, I
like to feature their work and promote it.
You can also find me at Diversity
War on Twitter and Instagram.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
As for the rest of us you can find as
for the rest of us, you can find Emily at
Mega Moth on Twitter at mega underscore
moth on Instagram and@megamoth.net.
Ben is on Twitter, Ben the Con, and
on their website@bencomcomics.com
where you can pick up all their
books, including pre-ordering.
L Campbell wins their weekend, their
debut middle grades novel from Scholastic.
And finally for me, you can find me
on Twitter and Instagram at j Rome
58 on my website@jeremywhitley.com.
And right now you can buy the Dog Night.
It is available wherever you are
to buy in any fine bookstores and
does, you know, feature a, a lead
who is a black non-binary character.
So go check that out.
It's a lot of fun.
And of course the podcast is on
Patreon at Progressively horrified our
website@progressivelyhorrifiedtransistor.fm
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It's not gonna change our
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Thank you again to Morgan for joining us.
I know this Morgan is not the
easiest one to jump in on.
Morgan: No worries.
I had a great time.
Appreciate your Thank you.
Jeremy: Yeah, and thanks as always Ben
and Emily, who I swore I wouldn't make
watch this movie after I saw it the first
time, but then I was like, you know what?
We probably should talk
Ben: about it, generalize God.
But hey, I hope all y'all
podcast listeners enjoyed.
May our pain be your pleasure.
Will
Emily: you wash it so
you don't have to, which
Ben: is probably a line I probably should
have saved for a hell Razr episode, but
Oh, well I blew it on bay slash them.
Emily: Do it again.
Jeremy: We were supposed
to do Hell Razr first.
It got moved around so it's, it's not
your fault, you just had it in the
head, it in the chamber, you know?
Exactly.
Oh right.
And until next time.
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