Can We Turn a Bestselling Novel Into a Streaming Series?

In the first episode of SASQ'ET The Story, podcast producer Joe and author Max introduce their experiment: documenting the attempt to adapt Max’s 676-page novel SASQ'ET into a streaming TV series (or possibly a feature film) with audience participation. They discuss the book’s seven-year creation, strong reviews, national bestseller status, a book trailer nearing a million views, and a 23-hour audiobook, then outline the underdog reality—no producer, studio, or agent yet—while setting a goal of reaching 10,000 YouTube followers and building a fan base to attract industry interest. Max explains why the story is cinematic, built on cliffhangers, and explores the plausibility and deeper themes of the Sasquatch phenomenon through Mallory, a strong veterinarian protagonist whose life is upended by a mysterious inheritance and key. They invite viewers to read the book, subscribe, suggest guests, and help make introductions.

00:00 Welcome to the Experiment
01:16 Max and the Book Origin
02:25 Why This Book Is Blowing Up
03:32 Building the Fan Army
05:15 Can It Become a Series
08:15 Max Background as Writer
09:48 Elevator Pitch for Sascat
12:58 Meet Mallory the Hero
14:19 Bigfoot vs Sasquatch Explained
17:48 Themes and the Mystery Key
21:56 Why Streaming Works Best
22:53 Series Versus Film
23:17 Epic Movie Inspirations
24:34 TV Is Where It’s At
25:11 Writing A Female Lead
25:54 Publishing Reality Check
29:08 Attention In The Algorithm Age
31:46 Underdog Progress Update
33:07 What We Still Lack
34:40 Talking To Showrunners
35:16 Taylor Sheridan Fanboy Moment
38:34 Build Fans And Subscribe
39:51 Defining Success In Five Years
42:31 Why Should I Care
44:28 Mission Status And Farewell

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Creators and Guests

Host

Joe Woolworth

Story Engineer, Founder of Relevant Media Solutions & Podcast Cary.

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Maxim Langstaff

Writer, producer, and author| Grammy and Emmy nominated whose creative and editorial work has reached millions of people worldwide.

What is Sasq’et The Story - Road to Streaming?

What does it actually take to turn a novel into a streaming series?

Join Sasq'et author Maxim Langstaff, and host Joe Woolworth as they attempt something most writers only dream about: transforming an independently published novel into a streaming television series.

Each episode documents the real journey—the meetings, setbacks, wins, industry secrets, marketing experiments, networking opportunities, and unexpected lessons that move the project one step closer to the screen.

Along the way, Joe and Maxim sit down with producers, showrunners, authors, actors, agents, publicists, marketers, executives, and creators who have successfully navigated the entertainment industry. Every conversation is designed to answer one question:

What is the next step toward making Sasq'et a television series?

Whether you're a writer, filmmaker, entrepreneur, dreamer, or simply someone chasing a seemingly impossible goal, this show offers a front-row seat to the process.

No shortcuts. No guarantees. Just the real story of what happens when two creators decide to aim for Netflix, HBO Max, Paramount+, or wherever the journey leads.

One episode. One connection. One step closer.

[00:00:16] Joe Woolworth: . right. Welcome to Sascat the Story. This is our first episode, and we wanna invite you on what we feel is a crazy journey.

The premise is basically this: Can we turn Sascat the book into Sascat the streaming series? And we want to invite you as the audience to join us. We're gonna document everything along the way. What it takes to get from step one to step B, I don't really know. See, I said step one, step B. And so I'm kind of, like, not an industry insider, and I'm not the author of the book, and, um, but I'm a podcast producer from Cary, North Carolina, and I'm excited about working on this project with Max, who is the author of a book called Sascat.

Max, welcome to the show.

[00:00:58] Max: Thank you. Thank you. This is really an exciting journey. We're gonna have a blast.

[00:01:01] Joe Woolworth: Yeah,

[00:01:01] Max: I think so. I'm looking forward to it because If I'm not Bigfoot, I'm certainly a Neanderthal, and from the 19th century. So, um, all this new technology and all these new approaches which you are so adept at, it...

This is gonna be a really great adventure. I'm looking forward to it.

[00:01:14] Joe Woolworth: Yeah, so welcome to the experiment, everybody. Uh, let's start here. Max, you wrote a book called Sascat.

[00:01:19] Max: I did, and, um, what a story. I mean, my God, I didn't intend to write this book. It just, it just, it just came. Um, I don't know how to describe it, and, um, it's been a seven-year journey anyway, and getting this book together.

And, and, uh, you know, you... When you're writing and you're writing a book, you're not writing with, with, with ambition particular. I'm not trying to, you know, become famous or even get a movie or a TV series out of it, or to get a best-selling book. You do it because you can't help yourself- Sure ... and as part of the creative process.

And where this book has gone since it's been released is crazy. And, um- Yeah ... I... You know, what do I get out of it? I suppose if I was in my 20s or 30s, it would be my ego, but I'm just grateful that somebody's reading it and they're loving it. I mean, the reviews we've gotten on Amazon and on, on Barnes & Noble and from- Yeah

uh, Goodreads is, is fantastic, and it's, it's sort of... It's really weird. I mean, uh, I know that you, uh, produced a, a, a short, uh, what do you call it, film, uh, uh- A book trailer ... trailer. A book trailer, right. Yeah. And, like, just two months, we've gotten almost a million-

[00:02:20] Joe Woolworth: It's crazy ...

[00:02:20] Max: views. It's fantastic. And the book's a national bestseller.

I don't know if that's normal for you, but for me, it's like, "Oh my God."

[00:02:24] Joe Woolworth: No, it's not normal.

[00:02:25] Max: You're right.

[00:02:25] Joe Woolworth: I think, I think what's exciting is, a... If you guys don't know, Sascat the book, it's out. You should check it out. We're looking to recruit you into our army of let's get this turned into a TV show, and why would you care if you haven't read the book?

You can take it from me, the book is good. Um, as a guy that reads a lot of books or used to read more than I do now, 'cause I'm just kind of busy- This is a fantastic literary book. It's a what if story. It's super compelling. It's a page-turner. It's got action. It's got adventure. It's got sex. It's got Bigfoot.

It's got all the things, and it's surprisingly good, and that's what the reviews are saying. Uh, so you can buy it on Amazon now. The audiobook is out, which we produced, which ended up being, like, 23 hours long.

[00:03:04] Max: There's a story. There's a story. It's one of the most difficult things I've ever done in my life.

20 hours. It's 'cause it's a long book. Yeah. It's 676 pages.

[00:03:13] Joe Woolworth: And you had to do accents and, like-

[00:03:14] Max: Oh my God ... it was, it was nuts. It was nuts. Yeah. Oh my God. But

[00:03:17] Joe Woolworth: that's out now, and we're gonna come, we're gonna come up with ways to get you guys this book in a very affordable way in future episodes, including maybe some free digital downloads if you guys, uh, give us your information.

We're happy to get it to you. 'Cause again, we're trying to build this army of people that wanna see this story. 'Cause look, there's so many things on TV now. I feel like we're living in the golden age of television.

[00:03:37] Max: We are,

[00:03:37] Joe Woolworth: yeah. But if you look at Netflix and Hulu, it's So many of the shows are mediocre.

They, they feel like filler. And then a handful of shows, like enough to be too many, are fantastic. Wait a second.

[00:03:49] Max: You watch, you wa- I know that you're a regular watcher of what, Dr. Pimple Popper and, uh- No ... and Naked and Afraid. I mean No, no, no. It's like you, you can turn on the TV and you think, "Really? There is so much great...

There's so many great stories that can be told, that need to be told. There's so many great screenplays and writers and people out there doing really, really fantastic work." Yeah. And yet it doesn't rise to the top. And so I think for me, and why I was interested in doing this with you and why we've set this all up, is that, um, let's let, um, let's let the audience decide what they wanna see.

[00:04:18] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:04:18] Max: Yeah.

[00:04:19] Joe Woolworth: Which is the way it always happens. Yeah. If a book is good, it sells. Yeah. I mean, there's so many theories and strategies on how do you get published and who's behind you and marketing budget and blah, blah, blah, but it usually just boils down to is the book good, and how long does it take people to catch on that the book is worth reading?

[00:04:33] Max: Right.

[00:04:33] Joe Woolworth: So we've got the book. We've got the audiobook. We got the trailer out. It's been seen by hundreds of thousands of people. We're starting the podcast.

[00:04:39] Max: And we have a website.

[00:04:40] Joe Woolworth: And we got a website, sasquatchthebook.com. And we are moving towards now focusing on documenting this, turning this into a series, and so we need your help.

We need, we need fans. We need, we need to build an audience up. Right now we're sitting at, like, 1,700 subscribers, which is awesome, on YouTube. I feel like we wanna put out some big goals for ourselves. Yeah, let's do it. I think we wanna get to about 10,000 followers as fast as we can, and that'll be a good stretch goal for us.

But anyways, that's where we're at. The book is out. It took years to write. It's a national bestseller now. It's on Amazon. It's in Barnes & Noble. It's anywhere you can buy a book. But here comes a difficult question. Do you believe we can turn this into a TV series?

[00:05:21] Max: I think we can. I, I actually think, um, it- Oh, no

[00:05:24] Joe Woolworth: hesitation

[00:05:24] Max: None. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. W- um, going back to the very beginning when I started this project, started writing this thing, and I had, you know, sort of laid out the idea and the concept of what I wanted to do roughly, um, because it goes in all kinds of weird directions when you're writing if you're, if you're doing good work.

Um, I, I thought I was writing a screenplay. That was my intention. And aft- I thought, "Oh, I'll write a screenplay. It'll take me it'll take me just a couple months." Sure. Four months into it I'm like, "I can't do this. I can't do this. This is the, the pro- the, the story is too big. It needs to be a book first."

And, um, so I, uh, I, I abandoned the screenplay and m- moved to a book, but I always had that cinematic concept in my head. And so the book is written in a very cinematic way. Yeah. And it's interesting to me because without telling anybody that, um, nobody knew that, um, the review... a lot of the reviews that have come back and a lot of the feedback that we've gotten on the book has been, "Wow, this is a great book.

I can't wait till it's made into a television series or made into a movie." And these are honest comments from people who have no industry background or, or they've no vested interest whatsoever. And I thought, "Wow, you know, um, that, that, that tells me something." So I, I think it... I, I personally believe it could be and should be, and I- When I wrote the book, um, actually following you know, it's ironic, you know, th- th- often considered the greatest American novel is, is, uh, Herman Melville's Moby Dick.

[00:06:44] Joe Woolworth: Mm-hmm.

[00:06:44] Max: And if you look at Moby Dick and you look at the way he broke up the chapters, it's actually very cinematic for, you know, he wrote it in the 19th century, which is amazing. They're very short chapters, and they're almost like scenes in a movie. Mm. And I did the same thing with Susket. I, I, I wrote the chapters so that, that o- the chapter could either be an episode or it could be a scene in a movie.

So adapting it to film or television would be fairly easy to do. And, um, I also made sure that at the end of each chapter there was y- y- you were left hanging. Yeah. In other words, uh, you call it a cliffhanger, you call it an action spot, something that made people wanna, "Wow, I wanna turn the next page." So I think you have to do that, and particularly you have to do that for television so the audience comes back.

But I, I, part of what I'm so excited about what we're doing here, is I w-, based on the response I've gotten from people, the readers saying, "This should be made into a TV show," or, "This is, this... I can't wait to see it on TV," suggests to me that maybe we should try for it. Yeah. And so that's what we're doing.

And it says to me that, people are interested in joining in that process and that cause, and I think that's what's cool about what we're doing, is that you, the audience, the reader, whoever's out there, has an opportunity to actually participate in the creation of a television series. Yeah. I mean, isn't that everybody's sort of fantasy in a funny kind

[00:07:59] Joe Woolworth: of way?

Yeah. We'll make everybody executive producers.

[00:08:01] Max: Exactly. We'll have everybody, exactly.

[00:08:03] Joe Woolworth: We'll just follow all the subscribers. Yeah, exactly. So before we jump into the next-

[00:08:06] Max: We really can do that, you know? Hollywood allows you to do that.

[00:08:09] Joe Woolworth: That would be hilarious.

[00:08:09] Max: That's why you always see all these executive producers on TV shows, and of course, they didn't get within five miles of it.

[00:08:15] Joe Woolworth: So before we jump into the story, 'cause I wanna talk about what is Saskat, what, what the book's about, um, I wanna talk a little bit or ask you a little bit about your background, 'cause you didn't always used to be an author. So this is actually your first novel. So this isn't, like, try number 14 for you.

[00:08:30] Max: Right. No, this is my first novel, and it's the first time out of the gate, so I'm really thrilled at the response I've gotten. I mean, I've been writing my entire life, and writing for, for, professionally for different purposes and, uh, mostly editorial. And, uh, for a long time, I worked with John Denver, and I wrote a lot of stuff for him, around him, about him.

And then I, uh, later on I was working, uh, spent 17 years, I think, working with, uh, Sir George Martin, who everybody knows is the p- man who discovered and produced the Beatles and, um, all their records. And so it's, it's, uh, uh, uh... Writing has been something I've always done, and I, I've never... I always thought everybody was a good writer, but it never crossed my mind that maybe I was a good writer.

Um, I just did it. And, uh, you tend to gravitate in life toward the things you're good at, and so, um, that's sort of how it unfolded. And this book didn't unfold from ambition. I didn't sit down and go, "Oh, I'm gonna write a book about this to be this, and I want it to be that." It just sort of happened. And, uh, as I began to write, it began to just coalesce and come together the way it did.

So I had no idea when I was done with the book whether I had written anything that was remotely coherent. Yeah. I had no idea. And, uh, i- I think part of the writing process is to allow yourself to take that kind of risk as a writer. So, um, that's really where, you know, that's a big part of what this is all about for me.

[00:09:47] Joe Woolworth: Yeah. So assuming that our audience joining us here hasn't heard any or know anything about the book- Give me the elevator pitch.

[00:09:54] Max: Okay, elevator pitch. Oh my God. Give an elevator pitch for a 676-page book. Go. It's so fun. Seven

[00:10:00] Joe Woolworth: words. You

[00:10:00] Max: got seven words. Second word, second word. It's a what if book. So imagine, uh, it's, uh, if I were to think of it in a filmic way, a different story, completely different story, but it's a cross between Jurassic Park and maybe The Da Vinci Code or something like that, with a lot of sort of, uh, Indiana Jones sort of thrown in there.

It's an adventure, it's a romance, and it's a what if. So when you think about, uh, Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park, which started out as a book, and a big book, so I'm encouraged by that.

[00:10:27] Joe Woolworth: I love that book.

[00:10:27] Max: There you go. It's a great book. And, you know, the science in Jurassic Park, part of what makes it so compelling is the science of being able to take that, that amber and stuff that's been buried in that amber from prehistoric days and sort of, uh, uh, reignite it through DNA, et cetera, can be done.

We have the technology to do that. Yeah. But the story that Crichton wrote, obviously, he made it up. It's a book of fiction. And, and in that same way, so is, is, is Sasquatch. There's a lot of characters in Sasquatch who are real characters or historical characters, household names, people you know, Theodore Roosevelt, President Roosevelt.

There are people who are in the book. And the science behind, uh, I have a degree in anthropology, so I sort of was able to draw on that, but the science behind sort of human origins and what we know and what we don't know and the plausibility of, say, uh, an anomalous hominid, which is really what you're talking about when you talk about Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

Could it be real? Is it scientifically even plausible? Mm. The answer is def- definitively yes. So the question is, uh, is there something out there? What's out there? And, or is it just, uh, human foibles? We're just, we're just all cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and have been for thousands of years. Sure. I'm not sure that isn't the truth and that isn't the answer-

but we'll go there some- on, on another episode. Right. But it's, it's... So the, the book is, um, it's really that, and it's, it's about a journey of... I always think of John Lennon, um, who wrote that wonderful song called Beautiful Boy for his son just a couple days before he died, ironically, in which one of the lines in the song is, "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

So Sasquatch takes the reader on a journey, uh, uh, well, of the, of the, um... or takes the, uh, the protagonist, and the lead character's a woman, a strong, wonderful woman. She's a veterinarian, and she ha- she's forced, really, to go on this journey to find the truth of something that she inherited from her grandfather.

[00:12:15] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:12:15] Max: And, um, she doesn't want to. She's not particularly interested. It doesn't really have, uh, anything to do with her life and the life that she's living and, and it, r- her life was good to that point, but it completely upends her life. And we all have episodes in our own lives of just, that in a smaller way that can happen to us, sometimes in a bigger way, where we have to deal with things that we hadn't anticipated, that w- weren't part of our plan or our- Yeah

sense of ourselves. And so it becomes this unfolding journey for this woman and, and th- by all the things that she loses in the process, she gains all kinds of other wonderful things.

[00:12:49] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

[00:12:49] Max: And, um, so that's really the... And there's a lot of romance and there's, uh, all kinds of, uh, airplane crashes and bear maulings and-

[00:12:56] Joe Woolworth: All the good stuff

[00:12:57] Max: sex in the woods. What can I say?

[00:12:58] Joe Woolworth: So a little bit, a little bit more about Mallory, the main character. Who is Mallory, really?

[00:13:03] Max: Mallory. Mallory's probably... I, I, I imagine Mallory to be maybe 30, um, and she's, um, a young veterinarian and she's from New England and she has a passion for wildlife, and so she does a lot of wildlife network, you know, uh, uh, helping animals, uh, in recovery and things like that who get injured, hit by cars and things.

And she's, um, really based on most of the women in my life. Um, I think women's journeys are more interesting than men's journeys. I think women are more interesting than men. We're a pretty simple guy. You know, we're pretty simple. I always tell... People ask me, "What, what, what's the key to a successful marriage if you're a guy?"

You know, it's know you're not in charge and be happy about it. I mean, it's... And of course, women spend all their time and all their energy trying to make us think we are, and of course we both know we're not. So it's an, it's an interesting thing. But Mallory's a very strong woman and, um, a very, uh, uh, well-educated, and, you know, makes no apologies for that.

Um, and, and she's, she's, um, forced on this journey that's way beyond her range of knowledge and interest, and frankly, she's totally skeptical of what's expected of her and what she's doing. But she's not going on this journey to find Bigfoot or Sasquatch, which is what, you know, you might think. She's going on this journey to find out- Something about her grandfather

[00:14:18] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

I think most people hear Bigfoot and they think they know what they're getting, but, or they assume they know what they're getting. What makes Sasquatch different than the average kind of Bigfoot

[00:14:30] Max: story? Well, for star- for starters, um, um, there's a difference between Bigfoot and Sasquatch. And Sas- Sasquatch, the name of this book, is the original Indian name for Sasquatch.

It was, it was, uh, uh, it was an Anglicized version of Sasquatch, um, that a reporter used when he was writing some articles. He came up with Sasquatch. He thought that would be easier for people to understand. So that's where Sasquatch came from as a name. Bigfoot as a name, as a concept really c- didn't come into, into, uh, our vernacular till 1958 or '59 when, um, some reporter in the Pacific Northwest wrote an article based on some, uh, fraudulent, uh, you know, hoaxy, uh, footprints for the most part that, um-

[00:15:13] Joe Woolworth: In today's terminology, clickbait

[00:15:15] Max: Yeah, clickbait. There you go. And, and, um, he didn't know that, and so he just came up with a term in his little article called, called it Bigfoot. And of

[00:15:22] Joe Woolworth: course- Which was a genius term. It was a large footprint.

[00:15:24] Max: And there you go. And he really stretched for it. Right. Guy was a real, it was a real- Bigfoot

brilliant, brilliant idea. But the problem is the, the, um, the, the press, the wires picked it up, and it went right around our world. So here we have this phenomena which we think of as Bigfoot or as whatever. Um, and it's, everybody knows about it. It's a global thing. It's really cool. There are movies that have been made, you know, Harry and the Hendersons, et cetera, et cetera.

But it's all fake. Yeah. It's like a teddy bear. It's like the teddy bear to, to the real bear. Sasquatch is the real bear, and it's a very different thing from-

[00:15:53] Joe Woolworth: Harry and the Hendersons ...

[00:15:54] Max: Yes. And the question is what is it?

[00:15:56] Joe Woolworth: Right.

[00:15:57] Max: And, um, without giving too much away or whatever, there's, um, uh, there's so much around Sasquatch that is, um- The general public doesn't know because most of what we get comes through pop culture, and this is a phenomenon that is either made up by human beings because from, from deep profound need, and I say deep and profound because people have been talking about this thing called, we call Sasquatch today, for thousands of years.

Yeah. So this isn't like some pop culture thing. So what is it? Either people are seeing something or they need to see something or they feel something, and it says a lot about us as human beings. Or, or there is and/or was until recently some biological basis for this, and that's sort of, the book explores that.

Sure. And I don't think it's ironic because I think this is, this is a book of fiction, but, and just like Jurassic Park, which I don't think anybody had really essayed this technology that we have that we can cr- recreate dinosaurs and any other kind of thing we want to do. Sure. Um, this book, also a book of fiction, I don't think you can find anywhere a more potent, um, sort of, uh, essaying of the whole Sasquatch phenomena, whether it's spiritual, psychological, physical, scientific.

Um, any way you look at it, um, it's all contained within this book. So if someone were to say, "Hey, um, I wanna find out something about this thing called Sasquatch or Bigfoot," whatever you wanna call it, 'cause we, we sort of get into all that. Um, this, and y- and you could only go to one source, this would be a good source to go to.

[00:17:31] Joe Woolworth: Yeah. I'm, I'm a big fan of storytelling. Uh, before we jump in- Sure ... um, if you're watching along and you heard him describe Mallory, I'd love it if you put in the comments, or if you've read the book yet, um, who should play Mallory in the streaming series? Ah. So let's play along everybody. Who... Put it- put in your votes down there.

Who do you think would be a good fit for Mallory? Um, but switching gears, storytelling. I love a good story. I'm a big fan of storytelling and, you know, I read that book by Robert McKee, who's a famous screenwriter, and it was about dialogue, like how to write dialogue that doesn't suck. And the, the thing that I can remember from the book, or the big takeaway for me was like, he said, "If what you're talking about is what you're talking about, you're fucked."

And he was talking about context.

[00:18:12] Max: Right.

[00:18:12] Joe Woolworth: The importance of, you know, there should be something else going on. Right. So in this adventure story here, Sasquatch, what are some of the themes that are the undercurrents?

[00:18:21] Max: there's a lot of themes in The Undercurrent. One is, uh, uh, through the process of this search, Mallory reaches out to, uh, uh, one of the world's leading, uh, conservation scientists and, uh, zoologists.

And through their, uh, sort of, uh, exploration of, of what she has and what she's discovered, um, what she's given as a gift from her deceased grandfather, they fall in love, and so there's a whole love story there. And through that she begins to find out about her... She didn't know anything about her grandfather.

She didn't know the man who, who's a very famous public figure was her grandfather, and she didn't know that her grandfather was actually the, the, uh, boyfriend or lover of her grandmother, who she thinks is her mother. And she didn't know who her mother was, and her mother died in childbirth when she was born, and her grandfather, uh, uh, you know, turns out to be, you know, a billionaire, and she doesn't know anything about any of these people.

And so she's, she's living her life, and all of a sudden all this other stuff is, like, revealed to her, and she has to sort it all out. And she's a veterinarian. She's a practicing vet, so she, um, she, you know, uh, the, the Fish and Wildlife people come in with a, with a orphaned bear because the mother's been shot or killed by a poacher, and she has to get that bear in shape so that it can be re-released into the wild.

So this is the life that she's living.

[00:19:41] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:19:41] Max: And, um, she ends up having to travel all around the world, and it's, it's, uh, uh, and she, she wants to know... The, the crux of it is that when her grandfather died, he, he left her his entire estate. So she goes from someone who's, you know, um, couldn't afford to pay $300 for a, a, you know, print of a painting to stick in the wall of her office to having the original painting- Yeah

that's probably worth $330 million. So it's, and, and- So she's

[00:20:08] Joe Woolworth: got resources. The

[00:20:09] Max: shields and the ventures. Okay ... she's got, and she, and she, and she doesn't like it because, you know, p- money, money is, uh, is not gonna make you happy. It can grease the wheels, but she doesn't... She liked her life, and she loved what she was doing, and she was making a perfectly good living.

And the idea of now being a billionaire is just very disturbing to her. Yeah. So she has to work through all of this stuff, and all this stuff comes out in the book and whatever. And she's, she's been given, along with the, the estate, her grandfather leaves her a key, and she doesn't know what this key is for.

Right. And nobody knows what this key is for.

[00:20:39] Joe Woolworth: And we're not gonna tell you 'cause there's no spoilers.

[00:20:41] Max: That's right. Not yet. So she has to go and search, and, and p- you know, when someone dies you have to clean up their estate and go get all their stuff. So while she's doing all that, she's constantly on the lookout for what this key could be for.

Right. And the key, without giving away a spoiler, unlocks the whole rest of the book.

[00:20:58] Joe Woolworth: Gotcha. All right, switching gears. New segment here. Why streaming?

[00:22:01] Max: Well, that's a good question. I think I should ask you that quest- I should ask you that. So Joe, why screaming? Streaming, not screaming. I'm screaming, you're streaming.

Okay. That's pretty much our

[00:22:11] Joe Woolworth: relationship. I think, I think, I think it boils down to streaming a television series Would help tell the story and reveal parts of the story that the novel can't. I- Like, seeing that- Right ... cinematic kind of a thing.

[00:22:27] Max: You cannot, you can't tell this story episodically. I mean, you could, but I mean, it would be- Sure

you know, episodic television is like a Law & Order, where you have a show for an hour. It begins, you go through the narrative, and it ends. Yeah. It's completely standalone. This is more like, um, uh, a Taylor Sheridan. Uh, this would be more like 1883 or Madison or Land Man, where you have one big, um, canvas of a story.

Sure. And we're breaking it up because you obviously have to. Yeah, I

[00:22:52] Joe Woolworth: like that analysis. It feels to me like the way he's making shows is, and some of the other big shows, feel more like, like Lonesome Dove, like sagas.

[00:23:02] Max: Lonesome Dove.

[00:23:03] Joe Woolworth: That- Like

[00:23:03] Max: True Detectives ...

[00:23:04] Joe Woolworth: which feel more like, or remind me of more books like East of Eden and things like these big sweeping stories.

So it seems like a good vehicle for it. Uh, maybe better than a movie initially, but I don't think we should rule out a movie. That could be

[00:23:15] Max: fun. Well, it's interesting you say that. Um, uh, because when I... You know, I love epic movies, so whether, um... I mean, my favorite movie in the world is, it's The Wizard of Oz.

I mean, it's perfect. It's a perfect movie. People don't realize the guy who directed The Wizard of Oz is the guy who also then went on to direct, uh, uh, Gone With the Wind. Um- Hmm ... the guy must have been exhausted. I think he had a nervous breakdown. Fleming. I think his name- ... was Fleming. But anyway, um, and then o- one of my favorite movies in the whole wide world, uh, other than The Wizard of Oz, I would have to say is, uh, Doctor Zhivago.

I mean, I love the work of David Lean. I mean, he was probably the, our most, our greatest epic filmmaker. The only one who's really come close to Lean, I think to a large extent, is Francis Ford Coppola's, uh, Godfather series,

Godfather?

[00:23:59] Max: which are, you know- Yeah ... extraordinary. So if this were to be made into a feature film, it would be something on that scale.

It would be an epic film because it's an epic book. And, um- Yeah ... uh, uh, you know, it, it's... Most of the best movies that we get today come from books. They're not coming from screenplays directly, and we have a screenplay for this. I've already written the screenplay with, with, with some collaborators. Yeah.

So we're well on our way, and I'm excited about that. But, um, um, uh, yeah, this could... I would, I would say that, you know, if this was the 1960s, this would be a film.

[00:24:30] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

[00:24:31] Max: It would be a three-and-a-half-hour film.

[00:24:32] Joe Woolworth: Yeah, it's strange. Uh, uh, it's not strange. It's, it's fun to see what's happening kind of as people are...

Even big movie stars used to shy away from TV, and now they're attaching their names to big series, 'cause

[00:24:43] Max: it's- Well, TV, TV's where it's at now. Yeah, it's a

[00:24:45] Joe Woolworth: great

[00:24:45] Max: storytelling- I mean, nobody goes to the movies anymore, and a movie comes out, and it ends up getting streamed onto, onto, into, in, you know, o- on your TV- Sure

within days or weeks, which is self-defeating. Uh, it's, I don't f- I can't figure out why w- you know, the, the, uh, studios do that. However, uh, who am I? But I think that, um, TV's where it's at. I think the actors know that. It's, it's long-term employment, and one of the things that... And I wanna, I wanna say this right up front.

I think it's very important to the story and to, to our viewers, is that- One of the things I did with very clear intentionality was make my lead character a woman. There aren't very many good roles for women in Hollywood, and even the good roles for women in Hollywood, they're always somebody's wife, they're somebody's girlfriend, they're somebody's that they're attached to a man.

And in this case, I wanted it more like the man being attached to the woman. I want this to be a strong, really good role for a woman, um, because I just think that, uh, uh, female actresses, and I have a great fondness for actors and actresses given my background, um, to, to, to create a role and a part for a woman that was just, they could really sink their teeth into.

[00:25:52] Joe Woolworth: Yeah. All right, changing gears. It's time to get brutally honest 'cause it's fun to dream and to think about like, oh, what could happen? And we

[00:26:01] Max: gotta- Is this, is this when we ask people to sell their house or to- No ... to, to, to sell their car? Is it, what are we doing here?

[00:26:07] Joe Woolworth: No, I kinda think this is a status update- Right

like where we're at. So we have a good story, and that has been turned into a national bestseller book, right? You said- And

[00:26:16] Max: that, I just wanna be clear, that process alone has bankrupted me, so you know. In terms of, you know, it's like, it's very, very difficult. I mean, they talk about the internet and social media and, you know, the whole sort of the, the, the, the, the sacred cow, of course it's an illusion, is, oh my God, with all this stuff, the capability today, you can reach everybody in the world.

You can reach the whole planet. Theoretically, I suppose you can, but that sort of means you're not reaching anybody.

[00:26:42] Joe Woolworth: Right.

[00:26:42] Max: And to reach somebody, it requires an enormous amount of, of sort of, um, how do you penetrate that? How do you penetrate people's attention in this day and age anywhere in the world?

And it's difficult.

[00:26:52] Joe Woolworth: Yeah. I know early on I, I jumped on the process after the book was written, helping with the website and stuff, and it kind of became clear from a strategy standpoint, and we also have more people on the team. Right. So we've also got that going for us. And, um, but it became pretty clear to me early on that like, hey, the way everybody doos it, does it, doos it, the way that everybody is currently doing it, like what the best practices are and what people tell you to do, is generating pretty crappy results.

[00:27:18] Max: one of the reasons why I w- I sort of took on this book myself as opposed to going to one of the five big publishers, who wouldn't wanna do that? I mean, I'll be honest with you. Who wouldn't want that? I couldn't even reach these people. They don't even have phone numbers. I mean, they, they're so overwhelmed with people trying to get their book published that, that, that they have to, they have to shut their doors.

Sure. Because I think they get thousands of books. Any individual person in those companies get thousands of books, in inquiries for books, and they can only handle, you know, 5, 10, 15 in a year.

[00:27:48] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:27:48] Max: So the percentages, I mean, it's like getting, trying to get struck by lightning on a sunny day. The second thing is that I, I started to read the statistics of, of the, of the book, of the book publishing industry, and they're not good.

I mean, people don't read like they used to, and, and it's, it's, it's sort of like the record industry when all the record stores went away. It was like, well, what are you gonna do? Um, it's a really big mistake, but I think that, and we've lost a lot because of it. So the... I read that, and I don't know how accurate this is, but it's, it's fascinating, that of the five big book publishers, um, the big ones, you know, the Random Houses, et cetera, et cetera, um, Simon & Schusters, that only 1% of the books that they release that are published by the big book publishers sell 10,000 units.

[00:28:30] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:28:31] Max: Only the top 1%. I thought to myself- Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting to ... I thought to myself, "My God, I, I can, I, maybe, I think I can do better than that."

[00:28:36] Joe Woolworth: Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting to. Like, if, I al- I always equate this to, like when I'm talking to clients that I have, like we have entire college systems that have hundreds of universities with experts that all teach business And you can get your business degree, and the stats say that 98% of new businesses fail.

So is that, is that a problem with the people? Is it a problem with the idea? Or is it a shared problem with the people, the idea, and the fact that the best practices don't work anymore?

[00:29:07] Max: Right. I think that, I think the best practices don't work anymore because the, the changing technologies and the changing, changing the way people consume information.

[00:29:15] Joe Woolworth: Right.

[00:29:16] Max: And I think that then how do you get attention out there when there's so much... Y- you know, even for me, I mean, Paul McCartney's got a new record out. It just came out. He's 83 years old. I thought, "Oh my God, this is a scary thought." But then, um, uh, I listened to it a bunch of times, and, uh, we can get into that, but the, but, um, Rolling Stone Magazine said it's a masterpiece.

And, uh, Variety Magazine said it may be the best record in the 21st century. That's quite a statement.

[00:29:43] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:29:43] Max: And now, but Paul, you know, is not doing what he used to do in terms of, uh, promoting a record. You can't promote a record that way. You have to do it through social media. And, and to a large extent, that's, that's sort of how he's putting it out there and getting it done.

Yeah. And, um, it, it, it's... People consume differently today, and people don't go to a record store and pick up a Paul McCartney record anymore. They can't do that. Yeah. There's no record stores. So what do you do? You go to Amazon, but how do you know it's there? Right. I mean, you can get it on Amazon, but if you don't know it's there, it might as well not exist.

[00:30:12] Joe Woolworth: Right.

[00:30:13] Max: It's a c- And it, and it's not just affecting someone like me, who's a first-time author of a best-selling book. It's affecting someone who's a legend, who's basically created the industry to begin with. So it affects everybody, and that's the world we're operating in now. And I think that for people who, you know, like me or whatever, for Paul, who want to hear his music or someone who wants to read my book, how do they find it?

A- and so that becomes our challenge- Right ... how to do that. And the last thing I wanna say, and I think it's important, is that w- how- Pe- people today, particularly younger people who are under, say, I say younger people, anyone under 60. I'm just kidding. Uh, but, you, you know, younger people, th- they, they, um, they consume information and absorb storytelling differently than we did.

They read less. They watch TV more. They, th- they, they experience the stuff visually. It's easier for them to experience it visually than on the printed page, and I think that's a large extent why we're trying to do this, is because I want this story to reach people because there's a, there's a conservation message behind it.

There's a whole ethos behind the book. Sure. And I think that if you wanna reach people, and I know young people care about the environment, they care about conservation, they care about our future and global warming. Mm-hmm. If you care about those things, the best... you know, then this is a great book for you.

But it's also f- a super fun adventure. But I think that, um, the way you're gonna reach people who care about that thing today, the, the best way to reach them is not through a book, but it's through a f- Yeah ... television or film.

[00:31:46] Joe Woolworth: So back to kinda like the, the brutally honest of where we are right now, we're still under that threshold.

We're not above the 10,000 sales yet.

[00:31:53] Max: No.

[00:31:53] Joe Woolworth: We, um, but where we're at is we're kinda building our thousand raving fans, like Malcolm Gladwell's Tipping Point, thinking that you can really accomplish more with a thousand fans than you can with like a really broad millions of people have heard of us kind of a thing.

Now,

[00:32:05] Max: I want you to know I did my part. I did my part. I put in my 10,000 hours

[00:32:09] Joe Woolworth: writing this book. Yeah. You, you did that. So there you go. You did the 10,000.

[00:32:12] Max: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I, I've, I've hit 10,000 personally for me hours, so now we need help from, from 10,000 people. So

[00:32:16] Joe Woolworth: we've got, we've got the book. We've got the audiobook.

W- we've got some sales. Right. But I don't wanna paint the picture like everything's great and, like, this is gonna happen. This is an underdog story that you're- Right ... joining us on. Like, this is a big, hairy, audacious goal. Right. Can this get turned into a TV series? We're not naive in thinking that it is.

Right. But what we're excited about is documenting every part of the process. So we made the book trailer. It's doing well. It's hundreds of thousands of views. We've got great reviews going. Yep. We'd love more, so please pick up the book, read more. We got our social- And send

[00:32:48] Max: in a review.

[00:32:49] Joe Woolworth: We got our social media going.

Yeah. Um, as far as press, like Max is on, like, what is now called a book tour, which is, like, doing podcasts and book signings and things like that. And so that's kind of a snapshot of where we are and what we have. Right. So we're, we're not, like, just starting on the journey, but you're just joining us on this part of the journey.

So now let's switch gears and talk about what we don't have. Do we have a producer?

[00:33:11] Max: We do not have a producer. We don't have a studio. We don't know, uh, we have a, don't even have an agent in terms of, uh, you know, packaging this all together. So we don't have any of the elements that are essentially required- Uh, to sort of even begin conversations with broadcasters or, uh, networks, um, or streamers.

Um, we simply don't have those relationships, and we don't know, uh... I mean, and with the average lifespan of a television executive apparently is only 18 months. So it's a, it's a very fluid business, and there's a lot of smoke and mirrors, and, um, uh, it's, it's not necessarily about excellence. It's about mediocre.

Right. In other words, they just wanna put product out there. So I think we're in a good shape in terms of the product that we have to sell. The question is we don't have those relationships, and the way they tend to make these decisions these days are people sitting in cubicles looking at algorithms and trying to determine whether th- anybody's interested or anyone's following it or anyone's doing anything.

And so I think when you came to me and suggested we, we consider our, our approach would to be, which was simpatico with the way I did the book to begin with and how I went with it is to just let's talk to people. Let's actually talk to people- Yeah ... and see what they wanna do. Right.

And see if it sort of is, is interesting to them. And, um, the most encouraging thing to me is that we did some homework and discovered that 40% of the American people either believe in Bigfoot and Sasquatch or want to. And so, you know, there's a lot of us out there who's like, "This would just be a really fun- Sure

adventure." So, you know. So I

[00:34:40] Joe Woolworth: think, just to fill you guys in as the audience, our plan for the show is, as we're documenting this, we wanna talk to showrunners. We wanna talk to producers. We'll, we'll obviously call them in. We're not in Hollywood. We're not gonna fly out there to do it. That's not the kind of budget this show has.

Again, we're the underdogs. And, um, but we don't wanna be like, "Please read our pitch. Read our, read our script." Like, it seems like the, the thing you always hear is the annoying thing that you hear about happening in Hollywood. Everybody's out writing a screenplay. Have you read my screenplay? Yeah. But we wanna learn about the industry.

We wanna say, how does it work? So if we can get a showrunner on, we just wanna ask them questions. Right. Like, what do you look for? Like, what, what do you think makes a good show?

[00:35:16] Max: Um- Well, I think for me, I mean, uh, I mean, pr- you could say it's the North Star, which, uh, obviously he, he's very controversial in Hollywood because, uh, he's got by far the best stuff on television, and he hasn't won any very many awards, which is kinda weird, which is Taylor Sheridan.

[00:35:31] Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

[00:35:31] Max: But you can, you can feel what you've w- the industry can think what it th- wants about Taylor Sheridan, but he's doing the best work on television today.

[00:35:37] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

[00:35:38] Max: And, um, it's, he's the only one who really knows how to tell an epic story, and he, and, and he can take a small story and make it an epic story.

And everything about it, the cinematography, the writing, the, the actors that are brought in to bear. Yeah. And they're not all just h- household name superstars. He brings in really great actors, not necessarily famous people. And everything about his approach is, is, um, I think, excellent. Whether, whether your thing is Madison, or whether your thing is, uh...

what's that one about, uh, um, um, the military one?

[00:36:10] Joe Woolworth: Lioness? The, the one with the lionesses or- Yeah,

[00:36:13] Max: the lioness, the lioness ... lioness, yeah Or whether you like the whole Texas thing with, with, uh, Land Man. Whatever your... Whatever floats your boat- I love Land Man ... they're all of a certain caliber and a certain quality.

And I'm, I'm amazed that h- I, I suppose they're gonna eventually do it, but Hollywood hasn't picked up on this a bit more. I mean, they're expensive to do, they're big, they're epic, but the return on investment- Yeah ... is huge for them. And I think of someone like Taylor Sheridan, I have no access to a guy like that.

I haven't... would no- have no idea to get to him, but I'd love to know what his journey has been because, I mean, I know he started out as an actor, so did I. But the, the, the, the, um, you know, his... He writes these things and he, he, he produces them, sometimes even directs them, and sometimes he's even in them. I don't know if you've noticed that.

Yeah. He makes cameos. But the bottom line here being, um, he's someone who this story would wor- he, he, he could take this and make this succeed in a big way. Right. And there's others who can as well. And I think it's interesting and I think 'cause we're in a good moment here because there's a lot of s- feature film directors and producers, big time, famous household names that you would and I would know, who, uh, if they were to move into television, and they're, I think they're all beginning to, this would be a great project for them.

[00:37:21] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

[00:37:21] Max: And I think for a f- for an actress, um, uh, a, a well-known actress who c- you know, even someone who maybe who's won an Academy Award, you know, the, the golden... They al- always talk about, um, you know, the, the, the worst thing that can happen to an actress is she wins an Academy Award at age 27, then she doesn't work again till she's 50 because there's such a bias against women in, in many respects, and, um, often seen as eye candy.

So this is a opportunity for really a, a, a woman producer or, or a woman, uh, uh, actress to, uh, have a, a... You know, you know, you think of, like, Julie Christie or something like that in, in Doctor Zhivago. It's the role of a lifetime.

[00:37:57] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

[00:37:57] Max: And this series could provide that for a lot of actors, I think.

[00:38:01] Joe Woolworth: So enough talking about what we don't have.

That's a terrible way to live your life- Okay ... focus on what you don't have. Um- Part of the fun, I think, of this show is I envision it like we're kind of climbing our way up and getting cooler and cooler guests. Right. And when we get to talk to somebody, we're like, "Great, who should we talk to next?" And then- Well, this is good 'cause we-

their kindness and generosity- Right ... gets us to somebody else. And I would love to climb up to the point where we maybe get to talk to Taylor Sheridan for, for a while, um, and have him on as a guest, and just ask him some questions like you wanted to ask him. I think that's gonna be a- Yeah ... really fun part of the journey, but-

[00:38:32] Max: Taylor, if you're out there, we're cri- we're trying to find you

[00:38:34] Joe Woolworth: yeah, I think it's important that we focus on, uh, first things first, and I think we need to focus on fans. We need to get more people having experienced the story and to get excited about joining us on this journey.

[00:38:49] Max: Well, I think the best place to start, if I was hearing this podcast for the first time, which clearly you are, this is the first one.

This is the first one. Hey.

[00:38:57] Joe Woolworth: If that's you, if

[00:38:57] Max: this is your first time. That's you, that's you, right. If you're actually watching this at all, go to sasquatchthebook.com. Check it out on social, on, on, on the, the website as a starting point, and you decide, well, I'd, I'd like to check out the book. Whether you wanna pick up the audiobook and listen to it while you're in the bathroom or driving your car, or, um, you wanna get it for your, your iPad, uh, you can do it that way, or you like the paperback or the hardback.

Any way you wanna get it, um, and anywhere you wanna get it, you can. And, um, you know, as far as, you know, build- building up and getting new guests and slowly making our way up the ladder, this is good because we're starting at the lowest possible point- Yeah ... with you and me. You know? I mean, as the first guests.

Um, you know, it's, uh, so it's gonna be fun, and I think- Yeah ... it's an opportunity for people who are not in this, in the film and television business to, um, feel like they're doing something in it. And it, it's just a f- super fun thing to do in your spare time,

[00:39:49] Joe Woolworth: think in the future, five years from now.

What's, what does success look like?

[00:39:53] Max: For me?

[00:39:54] Joe Woolworth: For the story of Sasquatch.

[00:39:55] Max: The f- for, for five years from now, my story of Sasquatch would mean this is in a, a, a feature film or a television l- series, a streaming limited series, um, and people are loving it, and, um, they're, they're moved by it and affected by it and just, it's a thrill.

I think that for creative work as a creator from my perspective, um- Robert Frost said it best. You know, he said- someone said to him, "What's a poem?" How do you define a poem? He said, "A poem should begin in delight and end in wisdom." And in all of my work as a creative person, I've ... All I've ever tried to achieve is to bring a little bit of joy to people in their lives, a little bit of relief, a little bit of fun and adventure, and maybe leaving them with a, some small scintilla of insight.

[00:40:38] Joe Woolworth: Sure.

[00:40:38] Max: And as a producer and a writer, I know from my own experiences that, um, you know, you, you go out with a vision, and this is your vision, 100% of what you want and what your vision is. At the end of the day, if you can get, if you can get 50% of your vision actually on its feet and real, that's a home run.

Yeah. So, uh, there's lots that's gonna happen, and the nice thing about w- this process and this journey is that we're asking, um, fans and people who are interested in, in this sort of, and participate in this journey, will have a voice in where we end up l- and where we land- Yeah ... in terms of what this is all about.

[00:41:13] Joe Woolworth: Yeah, I like that part too. I think, so first big ... Kinda one of the things I wanna get into, and you, you can see it in, even the artwork for the podcast, there's like little checkboxes. We've got national bestselling novel, streaming series, feature film. Obviously, there were 400 checkpoints before national bestselling book, and there's gonna be hopefully not 400, but maybe 400 little checkpoints until we hit streaming service.

And I think it's important that we keep informing everybody what our goals are and keep focusing on the right thing. Right now, I said I think the right thing for us is building an audience. I think our next big, hairy, audacious goal is 10,000 followers on YouTube.

[00:41:47] Max: All right. Now I have a question for you, which is everybody always asks me, when the, now that the book has come out, it's got to number one on the bestseller lists on Amazon- Mm-hmm

on Barnes & Noble, and, uh, uh, it's, it's got a, almost a five-star rating on Goodreads. Um, everybody always says to me, whenever they see the book and they're holding the book, they go, "Wow, I love that book cover. Man, that book cover is great." And it's made me realize that the old, you know, adage that, you know, nobody buys a book based on its cover is nonsense.

Everybody, everybody buys books based on the cover. So who did the cover of this book? Here it is right here behind us on the screen, this cover. Outstanding. Uh, just- Who is she?

[00:42:21] Joe Woolworth: Just me in Photoshop.

[00:42:22] Max: You in Photoshop. Okay.

[00:42:25] Joe Woolworth: Let's make that the goal. Right. So 10,000 list- followers, YouTube, that's our next big, hair audacious goal.

So let's get into a little segment here, yes or no answers to these questions. Okay. And, uh, the segment is called, uh, Why Should I Care? All right. Why should the listeners care? Why should people come on this journey with us?

[00:42:42] Max: F- for two reasons. Well, it'll be fun. Yeah. First of all, fun counts. It'll be fun. And we live in a world right now with so much stress.

There's so many things that are pointed away. Wouldn't it be great to know that-

[00:42:50] Joe Woolworth: Take a break from the news, people ...

[00:42:51] Max: yeah, you're pa- you're part of a team of people, you're part of a group of people who are creating something from the ground level up, and you don't have to go through approvals or a certain kind of education or background or be this person in the industry- Yeah

or do that, or to, to actually really participate.

[00:43:06] Joe Woolworth: Listen, we've talked, if we can't get this turned into a movie and we keep this going for a couple years and we get the fans with us, maybe it's Kickstarter, maybe we make it ourselves. Like, there's all kinds of ways that people- Right ... can get involved in this journey.

We don't know how it's gonna pan out. That's kind of the fun.

[00:43:18] Max: Well, the thing... We don't know how it's gonna pan, but I think I can say with confidence because of the way I've always done my work, and e- every time I've ever done anything in, in the, in the business, in the entertainment arts field, um, I've been told no.

"Oh, you'll never do that. You can't do that. That'll ne- oh, nobody's interested. It'll never happen." And, uh, all the lem- you know, everything moves in trends in pop culture. Somebody does something, it's the hip thing of the moment, all the lemmings run toward the cliff together and joyfully and happily. And whenever I see that, I move in the oppo- opposite direction.

And sort of what we're doing here is a process and on some level, you know, moving in the opposite direction. There's a better way to do this, and there's a better way to give people quality programming that they want and like. So we wanna find and make sure that people want and like this before we go there, but I can tell you this much, and I think I can say it with confidence.

I know, here I go, this is my crazy moment. Am I allowed to have my one crazy moment?

[00:44:10] Joe Woolworth: Yes.

[00:44:11] Max: Okay.

[00:44:11] Joe Woolworth: You'll probably have more than one, but

[00:44:12] Max: okay. This is gonna be made into a streaming series or a film. Absolutely. All right. One way or the other.

[00:44:17] Joe Woolworth: There we go. you gotta answer yes or no. All right. This is it. Can they suggest guests?

[00:44:21] Max: Yes.

[00:44:22] Joe Woolworth: Can they help make introductions?

[00:44:23] Max: Yes.

[00:44:24] Joe Woolworth: Can they become ambassadors for the story?

[00:44:27] Max: Absolutely.

[00:44:28] Joe Woolworth: Max. Before we, before we exit, I think every episode should have a good call to action, which is stand up where we're at, a report card if you will, our current mission status, and, uh, we're gonna get into that now.

- Sasquat is a book. SasquatTheBook.com. Maybe someday, you're saying certainly, it's gonna be a TV series. But between those two points, we're buckling up for a lot of hard work, we're hoping for a lot of luck, we're hopeful that this is gonna be some fun stories, and we're hopeful that...

And we're just grateful that you're joining us on the journey in these first couple of steps. And as we continue to make our way forward, we're really excited to see what this turns into, and the fun that we plan on having, and we invite you to come have some fun with us along the way. And so we're gonna see you next time on Sasquat The Story.

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