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What's going on, everybody?
We're back.
The Sunday night CrossFit
Talk crew is back in the house.
After a two-week sabbatical,
unintended but much needed.
But here we are back again to talk.
So before we get into much,
I do want to preface a couple things.
One, I got back from Dallas.
I had a sinus infection.
My doctor is now starting me
from scratch testing everything again.
So they have taken me off
all antihistamines.
so that they can test me for
what I may or may not be allergic to.
So that means that I am
holding back an itchy
throat that could turn into
a cough at any moment.
So I want to start off the show with that.
So please bear with me if
that does happen.
I'll just turn it over to
the ladies if I go into a
full on fit and they can
carry the show from there.
other thing is uh we usually
have a page where we have
lots and lots of notes um
about what we're going to
talk about just kind of
guiding us into a
discussion it doesn't have
like the full discussion
that that isn't here
tonight um I have wrestled
for a week on what I wanted
to say I have no idea
what's going to come out
tonight this is going to be
completely unscripted um we
haven't even really talked this week
Generally,
we are talking back and forth
throughout the week and it
has been pretty much radio silent.
And so it may all just come
out in one big onto the air tonight.
So buckle up,
hang on tight and we'll see
what happens because who the heck knows.
You know,
I haven't even seen your haircut.
It looks good.
Wow.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Right before I left,
I usually always right
before like a big event,
get a haircut because when it's like this,
it doesn't take a lot of maintenance.
Right.
Right.
So it takes away five
minutes in the morning of hair prep.
Yeah.
And you know, you're always rushing.
Yes.
Um, so yeah.
And anything outside of
CrossFit that you guys have
been doing over the last week or so,
just to kind of get away from it all.
Um,
I know I've needed a break here and
there.
So thank goodness the NFL
season starting for me.
I am my Chicago bears have
played preseason games and
I've been able to watch and
they've done so well and
everybody is loving what they're doing.
And that has actually made
me happy this week.
That's good.
Yeah.
um, Lucas starts school on Wednesday.
Absolutely insane.
Starts his senior year.
Um, and tennis has been in full swing.
Uh,
they actually had a tournament on Friday.
So I had a very busy Friday.
Like I was up at like four
or five 45 in the morning
to get him to breakfast
before their team bus took off.
And we didn't get home till
like 10 30 at night.
So it was over in Caledonia.
Um,
little bit South of Grand Rapids.
So our 15 minutes away.
Um, and it was, it was a hot day,
long day.
Um, yeah.
So that was my watch.
Yeah.
Gosh,
you should see my like stress just
watching.
It's like almost more
stressful for me sitting
there watching him play
tennis than going out on
the competition floor.
I was a wreck.
I was like, I'm going to throw up.
Um,
Lex S, senior, almost done.
How are you feeling?
I don't know.
I'm feeling stressed.
There's just,
it's a lot like with him
going back to school and
tennis already starting and
he still doesn't have his
driver's license.
So I, you know,
I got to drive him to practices,
which cuts some of my days
shorter at the gym than I would like.
Um, so I'm just, I don't know.
I,
I feel like my training's not where I
want it to be, but that's such as life.
Yeah.
Uh,
Bruce says my daughter's also a senior
this year.
And, uh,
Jay Birch said the first year in 25,
I didn't start school.
Retirement is starting off good.
When do you start Carolyn?
I go back the 28th of August and yeah.
So this week I started looking over.
some stuff for the beginning
of the school year.
Um, but yeah,
I have to be back the 29th of August.
We have a PD day.
Um,
and then we have a long weekend for
like the labor, um, Labor Day weekend.
And then we don't start
until I think it's September 3rd,
whatever that Tuesday is.
That's our first day back.
So it'll be basically back for
Tuesday, Wednesday,
and that Wednesday evening,
I'm back to California
again for the NorCal Classic.
So it's like going back for
a few days and then right
back to California.
Holly, on the other end of the spectrum,
just started kindergarten this week.
Those were the days.
So that's a good place to start, Carolyn.
NorCal Classic.
And Crash Crucible are like
the two hot events coming
up in the CrossFit schedule.
I knew at one time you were
considering doing both.
Are they too close together to do both?
Because I've seen some
comments about maybe people
could not do both events.
No, I think you can definitely do both.
Okay.
Just curious.
I think people will be doing
both or if it's not crash
and nor like they're doing,
let's say water blues,
a sort of SoCal and crash.
Like I think you can do,
you can do multiple it's the off season.
Uh, you could always do, um, you know,
the month,
like the end of October and
November off and then re
pick it back up in December.
Um, yeah, it's, it's no issue.
I saw Jamie post.
You did, uh, some of the crash, uh,
qualifier.
I did – so I was actually going to do,
like, all of them just for funsies,
just to get some intensity and kind of,
you know,
get some feedback of where I stand.
But – so I did Thursday,
I did the deadlift wall ball one,
and then I didn't have –
didn't even make it to the gym on Friday.
And then yesterday I did
Kelsu just to really trash myself.
Yeah.
If everyone knows what that workout is,
a hundred thrusters with
five burpees every minute on the minute.
So I don't know.
I might do the, Oh yeah.
It's a rough one.
I might do the seven rounds
of the Bart muscle up strict dancing,
push up one tomorrow.
It looks like I like that workout.
So I was talking to Haley
and Josh Mario after I
interviewed Haley on Friday
and they were talking about
how well those crash, uh,
workouts are programmed and
they love JR's programming.
And so they actually
incorporated all the
qualifiers into her training.
Yeah.
Because it was a great like
lead up to the Masters games.
Yeah, I agree.
Who's programming?
Is it HWP?
It says presented by HWPO.
What does that mean?
Is that are they programming
the qualifier or is it JR
doing the whole thing?
I guess I was just confused
with the presented by HWPO.
So I watched JR's show where
he released them last Thursday,
and he definitely
programmed the entire Crash
Crucible qualifier himself.
He did have Taylor look at
them and give some feedback.
He had some other people look at them,
but he definitely programmed them.
I think HWPO is just a sponsor,
not necessarily a programmer.
Okay.
Yeah,
I don't know why he would outsource that.
Yeah.
That is not what he needs to outsource.
Yeah, that's why I was confused.
I was like,
it wouldn't make any sense
because he loves programming.
So I was just confused by
that because I saw it was HWPO.
presented, but yeah,
those are some hard workouts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hundreds.
Um,
we had the hundreds workout last year
at crash and I saw that I
that's the one I was like, I could do,
I like it,
but it's longer than anything
we're going to see at masters.
Um,
which we'll probably talk about a
little bit.
So I was like,
that one's not worth me doing.
It's just not even a time.
Don't mean we're going to touch, but
Yeah.
He said that he likes those
long workouts that aren't
necessarily just a
monostructural movements.
So wasn't surprised to see
that first workout with the
four movements at a hundred.
It's like the first, like the,
the row and the dumbbell snatch,
the strong athlete will be
looking at those two,
but then not necessarily
like the next two movements
or the gymnast and cardio
people like the last two movements,
but maybe not as much in the first two.
Yeah.
Back half a workout for sure.
Yeah.
The other thing he talked
about is he was asked like
how many games athletes were coming.
And he said that, you know,
some of the people that he
invited and said they were
coming did better at the
games than they initially anticipated.
And really that this is a
workout for people coming up.
or like trying to come back,
not necessarily for someone
who's already on top and is
currently there.
And he understands that with
like Rogue and the games,
his event is just not big enough to like,
and he understands that and
he's fine with it.
Yeah.
It just gives more people
the opportunity to get some exposure,
which I thought was a
really cool way to put it.
Mm-hmm.
Um, Jeffrey Birchfield is asking,
is Carolyn going to do
trifecta rogue challenge?
I do all the rogue challenges.
So yes, I wouldn't say I'm at my,
like the strongest right now,
but I'll do my best.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's the trifecta this year?
Is it always the same or is
it always different workouts?
No,
they do different workouts every month.
Um, it's a max strict press,
a max front squat and a max
sumo deadlift.
Interesting.
Wow.
Okay.
Is it now in those, is it by body weight?
Like, do you weigh in and it's no,
or there's,
so there's three weight divisions.
Light, I think is 121 and below.
Okay.
Middle is between 121 and 168, 167.999.
And then above 168 is the heavyweight.
But then within that weight class,
it doesn't matter after that.
And then you have an hour to
do all three and you have to like weigh,
like measure everything.
It takes so long to do a setup.
I did the thousand pound challenge.
years ago and just like
measuring and weighing
every single weight was
like 20 minutes um but yeah
so every every um month
normally it's a different
challenge like there's not
many like crossfit
challenges it's a lot more
uh machine base or
strongman stuff and then
the odd maybe an olympic
lift max or uh power lifting stuff so
All right, well,
let's get into the tough
part of the evening's
conversation that will
hopefully allow us to move
forward and into more discussion later.
But the CrossFit Games
happened last weekend.
For those who... Well,
let me start with this.
The tragic event with Lazar
Jukic happened on day one.
Is there anything that
either of you would like to
say about Lazar or I just
want to give you the
opportunity since we're
here tonight to do that.
I've said on a roundtable
that I knew Lazar.
He was the first interview I
ever did on Morning Chalk
Up with his brother Luca.
It was such a cool interview
because they were both so
giddy because they had made
the games together.
Lazar had refused his
invitation in 2019 because
he felt he wasn't ready.
And then when he made it back again in 21,
he made it with his brother.
And they were so ecstatic about that.
And it will always be a very
fond memory I have.
of Lazar, um, meeting him that way.
And he actually was the
bigger brother and did most
of the talking because Luca
was so giddy about making
the games and giggly and
that Lazar had to do a lot
of the talking and,
and be that big brother.
So, uh, uh,
That's a great memory.
And I've run into him since.
He's always kind,
was always such a great dude.
And it's been tough for me this week.
I'm not going to lie.
It has been when it happened at the games.
My dad died recently.
But when my dad died,
I had my family around me.
When this happened in Texas,
I felt very alone.
It's the first time I didn't
take a travel companion with me.
and um and I and I felt very
lost and alone and I don't
think I dealt with my
feelings well over the
weekend and um so it's
taken me the better part of
a week just to kind of get
through that I did have
some friends step in um
And that helped during the day.
But when you go back to your
hotel at night and you're
there by yourself with your
own thoughts and own stuff,
and it's not about me,
it's just grieving is tough.
The other aspect of that is
my family grieves with laughter.
Right.
Um,
we want to remember fondly about what
is going on.
And for most of the weekend, um,
it felt like you didn't
have permission to grieve with laughter.
Right.
And it, it,
and I don't even know how you
can to describe that.
Um,
Grant and Amanda did do that
with me when we were in
spots where we were kind of
by ourselves and alone.
But publicly,
you looked around for
permission to do anything.
And it made it almost
impossible to move forward
from whatever grief you were feeling.
And so...
Again, we're unscripted tonight.
There's nothing down what
we're going to say.
But that's why it's been a
quiet week from us because
it's taken me most of the
week to kind of get through
a lot of this.
So do either of you have anything to say?
It definitely shook Lex and
I when we were watching the
games on the Thursday.
It's something that
like you just don't expect to see,
especially when like, to me,
he was like the favorite to
win the event and they were
so close to the finish line.
And just to, to think on like, just,
I can't even imagine what
it was like for those
athletes that were there, the fans,
the volunteers,
everyone that was there
because like just seeing it online,
like I was visibly like
shook for like a few days and it was,
it was very difficult.
Um,
I can't say like I knew him super well,
but I've obviously seen him
at like a lot of the
competitions I've competed
at and he's always been
very nice and smiley and stuff like that.
And I was just always super, um,
excited to see him compete
with his brother.
Like I think seeing, um,
the joy of those two
qualifying this year in the
semifinals was, um,
know you got excited to
watch them finally compete
together like and it was
just it was tragic it was
sad I was angry I was
confused on just everything
happening and yeah just it
had me reflecting on the
fact that like you know it
could be anyone and um I'm
not the strongest swimmer
and like I when I had to
even like swim the mile
with the fins like that one
year in 2021 like I was scared too
in the water and I just
think about like what if no
one was there and I was
panicking too so you just
start reflecting on like
different competitions
you've done in the water
and everything and just
like how it happened it was
yeah I mean it it's it was
hard to watch it's like
yeah it's traumatic yeah
Yeah, I didn't know him personally either.
I've been in the same room
with him at the 22 games
when I was back there with Jim.
He was one of the athletes that... So...
When it was all together,
I would feel like the main
individuals would kind of
go off to their own section
and stay private.
And I'd say three or four
would stay out in the
bigger common area where
your masters and teens were.
And he was always out on
that floor the whole weekend, like around,
nodding, smiling.
Like if you walk by, you know,
like he just, he was a...
very sociable person you
could tell and um yeah
everyone's stories like you
just that you hear you're
like yep that's that dude
like that's exactly how I
picture him how he was when
I walked by um yeah and
It shouldn't matter.
Like he, like it just,
he was an incredible,
incredible person and it
doesn't matter who it was.
It just, it,
it seems extremely tragic and
extremely tragic when you
have a brother there in the
competition with you.
It's I mean, yeah.
So,
the other thing I know about Lazar is
he was a fiery, fiery competitor.
Yeah.
Right?
I was in the media pit when
he was getting no-repped on
the front-facing handstand
push-ups with the brick in 22.
Mm-hmm.
Like,
and he is losing his mind over
getting the no reps, right?
Because he loved to compete so much.
And last year, you know,
infamously him and Justin
had the bike wreck and the
fire that came out of him there, right?
So there was no right
decision from the moment
that happened to move forward.
But I know in knowing him,
he would want to keep competing, right?
I'm pretty sure he would
want to keep competing just
knowing how he's acted.
But,
and I have no problems with people
saying I cannot compete
further or can or whatever.
But what I'm having a hard
time making sense of at
this point is those that
did go on and compete.
And there I am in Dallas and
I'm watching the whole thing.
At the end of the weekend,
what did we get out of this?
Does any of it mean anything?
I don't know how it came
across on the telecast, but in person,
there were obviously people
that even though they stayed to compete,
could not compete.
So it was hard to do any
kind of analysis over what
you're seeing that we
typically do on this show.
Moritz Fiebig could barely
get to a jog on anything
because he was so crushed.
I can't analyze his work.
There was no doubt that dude
is hurting bad and he's
moving down the floor at
whatever pace he can.
So at the end of the weekend,
do we really have,
and I don't even know the answer to this,
do we really have a fittest on earth?
I mean, I'm of the opinion.
I'll be honest that it
should have been canceled.
If I'm being honest,
like I know I wasn't there
and I don't know what it
was like for those athletes to compete.
Um,
I feel like there was maybe there's no
right way,
but there's maybe better ways
to go on with, um, the weekend.
I still would have had like a,
a Memorial and things that
the community can still get together.
but the thought of the
competition was really hard
for me to get behind.
And I was really struggling
to even watch at all
anything because I was just
angry all weekend.
And I mean,
there was athletes that were
not competing.
Like you said,
there's athletes that are competing,
but are visibly crying on the floor.
There's athletes that are
just better able to put
that aside during the three, two, one go.
And I just felt like you couldn't,
you couldn't analyze the competition.
And quite frankly, I didn't want to.
Like, I didn't like watching.
I didn't feel good watching it.
And I just, I'm sure the athletes felt,
you know,
a similar way where they're competing,
but they didn't really feel
very good about it.
And it was just, I don't know, like to me,
like there was no winners.
Like we all lost Lazar that weekend.
And I have a hard time,
saying that even the
programming tested for the
fittest on earth with the
fact that two events are eliminated,
one of the workouts were modified.
And even with that,
I didn't think the test
also was as well-rounded as
we've seen in the past.
I just struggled with so
many factors over the weekend.
Yeah, I just,
I think there were just other ways to...
move forward with the
weekend without putting the
athletes in that position so fast.
Even considering asking, let's say,
Luca's family if they should go on.
To me, that wouldn't even matter.
They're not even thinking about that.
They just lost Lazar.
I just had trouble watching
the competition for sure.
I mean, I think Brent said this, like,
if there was a tragedy when
he was at home,
he would go to the gym and work out.
That's how he would grieve.
And I do think that that holds true.
And I do think the community needed to,
like, come together together.
I can only imagine if it
would have been shut down
and it would have been kind
of radio silent,
how that would have felt
like a gaping hole for the
whole community.
Like,
I think in a way we needed to work
through this.
Do I think it was the best
way it played out?
I don't know.
I mean,
I hear there was talks of all kinds
of different, you know,
more of an exhibition.
um but again we can't judge
any of any of the athletes
choices um regardless of
what they chose to do um
and at the end of the day
there was a set of tests
and two people prevailed at
the end the woman's side I
don't think was going to
matter no matter what um
but you know there was an
exciting race at the end of
the men's side and
Carolyn, we said it a couple of weeks ago,
last year's tests were
extremely upper body pulling biased.
to say like these were a
terrible set of tests or it
just wasn't a complete set of tests.
It is what it is.
I feel like there's always
something every year that
somebody can say,
and he's the fittest of 2024.
James is like, like to me,
it was just like, yeah, like he, he took,
it's not, it's not James's fault.
It's not anyone's fault that
like competed.
Like that's the thing that's tough, right?
It's,
it's not their fault that people weren't,
you know,
all at the same capacity to even
take the test.
Um,
James was the best at taking it,
followed by Dallin and so forth,
and staying on the female side.
It is what it is.
To me, it was just like, I don't know,
I just had trouble.
We could still work out
through things and do
things as a community,
but to put the competition part,
I feel like, I don't know.
I would have personally
liked to have seen it a different way,
but again, I'm not there.
I'm not those athletes.
I have a lot of respect for
the athletes that decided not to compete,
and I also have respect for
the ones that put Lazar's
name on the floor the whole weekend.
It was not a good scenario either way, but
It's just my personal
opinion and my feelings
towards the competition.
Yeah,
I'm kind of of the belief at this
point that there were a set of tests.
The decision was made to move on.
If you passed all the tests,
you're the fittest on earth.
And this year they had to
deal with something much
bigger than any in years past.
And I will say...
Here I am, I'm grieving for,
for Lazar and then people
that I really love in the
space really did well over the weekend.
And I felt, I felt so bad for them that,
that for like,
they weren't allowed to enjoy it.
Yeah.
Right.
James has this personality, like,
and he's so deep-rooted in his faith that,
like, he seemed to enjoy the win.
But, like, my dear friend Emily,
who makes the podium for
the first time in her career,
woman is 34 years old, makes the podium,
and she had an amazing weekend.
And, you know...
they didn't even put their metal.
You guys didn't even see the
award ceremony because they
didn't broadcast it.
Like they,
none of the athletes felt like
they were allowed to put the metal on.
Yeah.
And that's the sad part too, right?
Cause it's not the athletes
like fault and it's, they're put in a bad,
they're put in a bad position.
They were put in a bad position to,
you know,
make the call hours after
whether they are ready to compete or not.
Um,
It looks bad if they post
something on social media.
It looks bad if they sell it.
It's just like,
it's very difficult in
those positions for those athletes.
But again,
my heart just goes out to the
Lazar family.
And to me,
that was the most important
thing of the weekend was just, you know,
thinking about him and
finding whatever way people
needed to grieve
i can't judge the way that
everyone did it but like I
know personally I wouldn't
have been able to continue
on um with the competition
yeah and trust me like
lazar has been in my
thoughts for over a week
but I'm trying to find ways
to move forward at this
point not forget not any of
that but just to keep moving forward um
I've heard a lot of things.
These are just some random
thoughts about the weekend.
What got lost in this thing
is there were a lot of cool
improvements from a venue,
a media standpoint,
that everything got swept
under the rug because of what happened.
And it should have been.
It should have been swept under the rug.
But that there were vast
improvements this year.
That arena was gorgeous.
It was very easy to get into.
Security was tight, other than security.
But it was easy to get in and out of.
My Uber dropped me off at the front door,
picked me up at the front door.
Super easy.
they had assigned seats for
media we've never had that
in the past we've always
had to wait an hour in line
to get a seat to get into
the arena to watch anything
um the vendors were open
and there were lots of them
so the lines weren't so
long like they were in um
Madison, Alex said security was tough.
Security was tough,
but they say it's the same security.
They give Taylor Swift the same security.
They give a rodeo.
It's that's just their arena policy.
And security was done by them, not by,
not by CrossFit.
Um,
But it was really cool.
The fact that they had
counters on some of the
ergs for the first time ever,
where you could actually physically see.
I don't get why they
couldn't have done that for Chad.
To think that they were
going to eliminate after
the Chad event and cut the
field and you wouldn't even
know where you are in the race.
Yeah.
and to have no strength
events even prior to that,
like there's like a lot of
like head scratchers for me.
My guess is they didn't have,
but I would have liked to
have seen that counter for
Chad because visually that
it had four digits.
So it could have done Chad
even though they cut it to
two 50 with the way they did it.
I don't,
i don't think they had 80
counters I'm with uh andrew
stenn I think they had 10
one per lane uh and used it
in events where they could
uh larry young says um and
I got to meet larry uh
which was awesome um
he liked the venue,
but going back and forth to
vendor village, he gave up on.
And a lot of people did that
because security was so tough.
Every time you entered the either facility,
you had to go through that
checkpoint again.
Yeah.
That's what I heard.
Overarching complaint was lines.
Um,
I don't know.
I just saw a lot of it.
As nice as the arena was,
I saw far more comments of
Madison was better.
And they should have never left.
Those are people that are
just angry at everything else.
The seats were not broken down.
They were way more comfortable.
The sight lines were better.
Yeah, but if you can't get in to watch,
does it even matter?
What do you...
you just have to schedule it
or just being closer to the
vendor village and
activities would probably
be easier from the Madison entrance.
There were four major
entrances with probably
three security lines at
each entrance to the main arena.
You had lots of options to go in.
I never stood outside for
the venue longer than 10 minutes.
You have a person, Larry Sane right here,
he stopped going back and
forth because it wasn't worth it.
Now, Vendor Village I heard was bad.
Well,
that's not good because you need
Vendor Village to be,
you need that to be extremely accessible.
You need your fans to go back and forth.
Farrington Field was a disaster.
People couldn't even get in.
It looks like a lot of people got in.
They were almost full on the one side.
It was not full.
You could see so many open seats.
The home bleachers were almost full.
The visitor ones, the outsides were empty.
But that seats 20,000 people.
We've never had close to
that at any CrossFit event.
Um...
I don't even know what I was here.
Uh, uh, Jay Burch.
I got in cross fat said the
line was for vendor village
and the football field main
venue was already great.
Yeah.
The main venue is fine.
Uh,
I'm telling you,
I've been to Madison a bunch of times.
I would be upset to go back
to that old clunky arena
again after what this was.
The lighting was so much better.
You could actually see people.
My pictures came out way
better than they ever have.
Jay Birch, I was there.
It was pretty full at Farrington Field.
That's good.
So, okay.
So there's that.
Anything else we want to say
about the games before we move on?
I do want to say
All right.
I've debated about saying this all day,
but I'm going to say it now.
The one thing that I've kind
of decided this week is that,
and it's upset me very much,
so I don't know how this is
going to come off,
but when I feel like
there's a lot of people in
this community pushing
whatever their thoughts
were before going into the
CrossFit Games,
after the crossfit games
using lazar's death and
parts of that are really
upsetting me right we don't
know the facts of the case
at this point there are if
you look at the me report
there's already been a
prosecutor assigned to this
case you know that this is
going to go through the
legal system in some way
CrossFit announced that they
are putting Peter Edge and
former Homeland Security
investigator in charge of a
third party report to tell
them what what they did wrong.
There's a lot of facts for us to learn.
One of the big things that
is really upsetting me is
whatever your agenda was
before the CrossFit Games,
and I've had plenty of
agenda on this show.
I've talked about things
that I think CrossFit has
sucked at or that they need to do better.
People are using this
tragedy to push that agenda
that they've always had.
There are legit beef...
From what happened that weekend,
that you could, whatever,
that you could take from
that and move an anger position toward,
I get that.
Regardless,
that's been very upsetting to
me this week.
Because one of the things
that I've always complained
about is that communication
from CrossFit has been horrible.
And during this weekend,
that was on display.
Media had no freaking idea
what was going on at any time.
We had to hear from other
people whether we were moving on or not.
Like if we had a connection
with an athlete or a
connection with... They
didn't even speak to the
third-party media.
Our liaison wasn't even in
the room until Saturday.
And then a week later to say,
we're not doing any more
swim events until further investigation.
You could have said that
Thursday afternoon.
Well,
I think there obviously is going to
be some, I mean, in my opinion,
lawsuits and stuff like that right now.
And while they're,
name is on a lot of these competitions,
like they're gonna wanna
figure out what the best, you know,
safety protocols will be
going forward so that it's
consistent with every event.
Cause it's not consistent
right now between every event.
And to go back on your point
of like people using what
happened to push like other agendas.
I mean,
people have their own opinions of
everything, but to me, like,
I'm still angry with what
happened with CrossFit and
it's just like accumulation of things,
I think,
and a buildup of frustration and anger.
And then there's things that
we saw with our own eyes,
like on the video, right?
Like you literally, we know what we saw.
So it's hard to be like, uh,
we're waiting for investigation a,
B and C to get done.
Like,
obviously there's a lot more
information missing,
but we still saw a lot to
still make like our own, um,
not opinions, but our own, I guess,
judgment, I guess of it.
Yeah.
And I don't,
I don't know what the answer
is to everyone else or people,
not everyone,
but possibly pushing other things.
Like it just should all just
be about athlete safety,
Lazar's family and how we
can prevent this from ever, ever,
ever happening again,
because in all honesty,
we have been so lucky that this is,
this has not happened before.
When I look back on some of
the competitions that I've
had swimming very early in
the morning for certain,
for certain groups,
not enough people in the
water and you know,
other things like to have
consistency between the
competitions I think can only be good.
And I'm hopeful that, you know,
some positive can come out
of this to protect, um,
the athletes going forward.
And it doesn't mean
eliminating everything.
It doesn't mean swimming
can't come back because
people are like losing
their mind over that.
I don't like swimming can come back,
but I think it's having
consistency between each
comp and some comps will be like, Oh,
we've done it this way.
We've never had anything go wrong.
It doesn't mean because you
have had nothing go wrong,
that your competition has
had the perfect also, um,
protocols because that's
not the case also.
So just to have, you know,
maybe bring in more people,
bring in some experts and
figure out what works best
and to have it consistent,
consistent will be very
important going forward.
In no way am I saying that.
And like,
I understand athletes have the
right to be angry.
Like, like you said before,
you're not a strong swimmer.
Like,
would they have gotten me?
Would they have, you know,
like I get the anger there.
And so it's more from other
directions that I'm, you know, and there,
there's two things.
I'm,
I'm upset that people are using a
man's death to push an
agenda that they've always had.
And I always,
and I also feel like I saw a lot of,
non authentic people this week.
And with that,
I was hurt because some of
those people I never
thought I would see be inauthentic.
And
one thing lazar always was
was an authentic human and
to use his death in a way
that is inauthentic just
really hurt me and I've
been struggling with all
week yeah so yeah and
there's just been I think
there's been a like with
some of that stuff because
there was lack of
communication there's been
a lot of talk and chat and
chatter here and there without
without names being said.
So then people are just judging people.
And I don't like that at all.
Yeah.
You don't have to say names.
You can go through Instagram
and you can pretty easily
tell who is being inauthentic and not.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So those are the things that
I wanted to bring up.
I think we've covered all
the news from the games.
Anything else you guys want to talk about?
Or we can move on to... I think,
in my hope,
I want to move on to a
competition that may help
us move forward.
A competition that
represents what CrossFit was founded on,
and that is...
to make people healthy late in life,
to be able to play with their grandkids,
to be able to get off the
toilet at the age of 65,
to do those things.
And what the origins of
CrossFit were about.
And that is the Masters
CrossFit Games that are
coming up Labor Day weekend.
Our very own Jamie Latimer
is going to compete.
I saw you got your shirts in.
Have you been able to get
them out to everybody?
I think everyone, Craig's in the chat.
I'm curious if he got his.
I think Holly was here.
Curious if she got hers.
Yeah, I think pretty much there's like,
I still have like 10 at the
gym that people need to
come in and pick up,
but I mailed them all out.
Craig got his.
Awesome.
Take a picture in it, Craig.
Tag me.
I love to see them on people.
With that,
you had a meeting with the organizers.
We did.
We had a 30-minute
informational meeting on Thursday.
I think Tuesday or Wednesday,
we received an athlete
packet with some heat times and
basically a general schedule.
And so it was pretty clear
from that email that there's 10 events.
Um, we have three on Thursday,
two on Friday,
three on Saturday and two on Sunday,
obviously no swimming, um,
all in the convention center.
They did say, because people were asking,
will, will we be going outside?
Do we need to be prepared?
Um, they said there was one event,
probably something like, um,
Like when they did Helena
last year for the individuals, like,
and it got running like a
200 or 400 that we didn't get details,
but he said,
you will run outside the
venue and back in and do
some stuff for four rounds.
So, um,
that's our only exposure to the
outside air that we'll get.
Otherwise we're inside the venue.
The whole weekend,
55 plus only has eight events.
So there's two events that
just the younger age groups have,
whether it's ability, capacity,
just volume tolerance.
One of them is Thursday's
first workout for us.
It's a three-minute workout, so...
get assume what you want
from that um and then yeah
they're kind of short for
my liking we have a two
minute event a three minute
event a five minute event
two eight minute events um
so half of our events are
eight minutes or less and
then we have a 11 12 13 15
and 18 minutes is our
longest event and those are
the cap times not
Correct.
And yeah,
it could be a four round for time
with 18 minute cap.
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I know that when that came out,
you weren't the most
excited friend I've ever
had because you like those long,
long grindy chippers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's because they
have way too many people.
Yes.
They confirmed that they did
all the programming.
So I don't know.
I think we all thought maybe
Castro or Boz would have
some say in this and it doesn't appear.
I don't think they got...
Haley asked on the...
Murillo asked on there if
there would be like
handstand ramp or anything
we need to prepare for.
And they said no.
Like they tried to get some stuff.
Basically,
they said it's going to be very...
bait like everything you can
find in your everyday gym
so again I just feel like
the budget cuts like don't
give us much we just get
what we get and it is what
it is so andrew stan who is
a part of that leadership
group for masters says
crossfit did have input oh
One thing that surprised me, sorry,
going back to the games,
was the similarity with the
team workouts and the
individuals this year were much closer,
I think, than in the past.
So I was wondering maybe the
Masters would have some sort of carryover,
possibly one or two events.
I'd just be curious if we
would see something like that.
Yeah.
I was very curious too.
Like, I mean,
that's why I tried to pay
attention to the
individuals just to glean anything.
Would there be a workout
that we would do like the
Dickies triplet or something like that?
Like, could that be the one we see?
Yeah.
Cause that would be
interesting to see a
trickle like down effect
between all the divisions.
Then there's like a
comparison throughout the ages.
Yeah.
on a certain baseline workout.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And just remember the,
Sean Woodland and Chase
Ingram are calling the Masters games.
So you're getting an A-team
in there calling the stream.
It's not the iPhone 5 from the roof.
It is an actual professional
stream with really good announcers.
Tommy Marquez and Lauren
Khalil are doing the floor stuff,
I believe.
So, yeah.
There's three floors.
I don't know how that will
look broadcast wise.
Um,
I don't know if they're out of the
arena or the convention
center or whatever.
Like there's two distinct areas.
I don't know where you're
squeezing in a third,
unless it's like for maybe
that three minute, you know what I mean?
Like something you can just
kind of run through.
Yeah.
So I'm guessing, so one,
it sounds like from what he said,
one of the floors is going
to look like that side floor at MFC,
just lanes.
And then one of the floors
has a large normal rig,
probably your 15 foot rig with ropes.
Um,
and then one of the floors has your
smaller A-frame rig.
So one is just going to be
like those lanes, um,
just like at MFC.
So that'll be a,
probably a much smaller area.
Okay.
It's going to be tough
covering all those floors.
Yeah.
And so like, I'm kind of curious,
does like floor three,
say floor three is the small,
no equipment floor essentially.
Um, does that not get a camera on it?
Does that one not get broadcast?
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Uh,
There's no obstacles, John.
Well,
they could do cones versus the stairs
like a zigzag.
Yeah.
You did the rampant crash last year.
Yeah.
Don't, yeah, me.
I saw it.
It wasn't great.
It was the first time you'd
ever attempted it.
Yeah.
I haven't done it since.
What do you know, John?
Share.
Is there more leaks in the
masters than the individuals?
If you know, someone else knows,
share with the rest of the class.
Also, that's ridiculous, again,
with the leaks that happen.
But again, not surprised.
I say it every year that there's leaks.
Mm-hmm.
Can I just say one more
positive from the games weekend?
I really enjoyed the 200
meter run inside the arena.
Yeah.
I like that so much better
than an assault runner or
anything like that.
And it visibly or visually,
it looked really good.
So easy to tell who was in first,
who wasn't.
Yeah.
Anytime you can have a, you know,
a foot race and you can see
where you're at.
It's, it always looks good.
now the bumping and the the
rubbing is racing happened
a lot on the men's side for
sure and a little tiny bit
on the women's side yeah um
So we're super excited.
We're going to be there for
the entire weekend.
Hopefully I can get Carolyn
on in the evenings to do
wrap-up shows with me from there.
Jamie will be competing,
so she'll be a little bit busy.
Maybe she'll pop on for five
minutes and just give us an
update of the day.
But we have our team
together for the behind-the-scenes,
which is now officially
going to be myself and
Ellie Hiller will be doing
the interviews in the back.
Jonathan Ortega and my
friend Caitlin Walters will
be doing the video of the floor.
And Holly will be doing all
the stats and graphics for
the behind-the-scenes.
So...
Hoping to put that together.
Still looking for a couple more sponsors,
hopefully.
We'll get some, but yeah,
super excited about that.
And the Masters community is
so excited for it.
And I've had so much fun talking to them.
You are killing it with the interviews.
So much fun.
The bad thing is, you know,
generally when I interview somebody,
we go off the off air and
then we chat for a little bit.
These,
these athletes want to chat Haley
and Josh.
Like I'm like, guys,
I have an interview in like
three minutes.
I've got to go.
Um, but they're just,
they're just the sweetest people, man.
Is Haley going back to crash?
Uh, I don't think so.
No,
I don't think they have masters this
year.
Do they?
Yeah.
They do?
Well, J.R.
asked me if I'm coming back.
Okay.
Maybe she is.
We didn't really get into it.
They were bragging on J.R.
's programming.
Yeah.
And they're doing all the qualifiers,
so maybe.
Yeah.
But she doesn't feel like
she's really in shape
because she's been a coach
more than an athlete.
Oh, she's working out alongside Haley.
She's incredibly fit.
she said to me that it appears that way,
but there's a lot of stuff
she could not hang with Haley.
And so she, she didn't even try,
but there was stuff that
like Kaylee needed to push on.
And so Haley Maria would
jump in and push her.
Um, but yeah, so we have that coming up.
Um, then one interesting thing I saw, uh,
is rogue is developing an echo rower.
Because they took away the
Easy Bike by making the Echo Bike.
Now they're going to take
away the Easy Rower?
The Easy Bike.
Do you think it's going to
be like the Assault Runner style?
Or the Assault Rower style?
I don't know.
I'm curious.
It's probably just going to
be made so strong that it's
indestructible.
The C2 Rower already is indestructible.
You don't need to mess with a good thing.
They want to take over the world, Pinky.
The gyms are all outfitted with C2 rowers.
That is the standard.
We do not need another piece of equipment.
Gyms have invested thousands
of dollars on 20 plus rowers.
And then you want to throw
in this other piece of equipment?
No.
No.
That's a great point.
All right.
Well,
Waterpalooza SoCal has also announced
their partnership with the PFAA.
So they are partnering.
This is not new.
Waterpalooza Miami did that in January.
Now SoCal is doing it for
their competition in September.
That's good.
I mean,
I think more comps will pull them in.
I mean, they're being pretty outspoken.
Rogue needs more money, I guess.
Yeah,
I think it's good for the PFA to be
in talks with competitions
or at least have some sort
of athlete union conversation.
always in talks for stuff
the thing that's very
interesting about our sport
I was talking to lex today
about this is like most of
the unions in sports like
the workouts are known or
the like the the
competition is known but
we're in a in a sport where
stuff is unknown so certain
athletes let's say in the
pfa would have access to
information maybe earlier
than others obviously shares it, um,
with the rest,
but it's just an
interesting difference of
our sport because of the
whole unknown and
conversations that have to
happen with the PFA.
Um, but regardless,
I think it's important to, um,
have athletes that know the movements,
knows the risks involved with, um,
sort of like competitions.
So I think that's a good move by water.
Yeah, I think it's,
it's a good first start.
I think there are ways
around it and what we can
get into this in the off
season when we have a lot
where we can talk about directions,
but you know,
a lot of unions will put
together like a third party
committee where both sides
get to put the members of
that committee together and
to come to an agreement
right so it's not the
actual players or the
owners it's this third
party that comes up with it
or approves it um who
aren't directly involved
but they're elected there
by both sides of the the
negotiating table I didn't
realize that the c2 really
wasn't indestructible
apparently uh wad zombie
has ripped the handle off a
c2 row or twice
That's crazy.
I, before my back injury,
I would move a rower across the floor.
Oh, I've seen it.
Yeah.
Right.
I've never broken a rower.
Never.
Wads on visa beast.
If he's done that.
Props to you, Nick.
I did snap a,
it's like the little curvy
piece that goes into the handle.
So we just had to replace that one piece.
I did crack one of those ones.
That's because Nick is strong.
All right.
Any last thoughts for tonight?
Ten more sleeps.
Ten more sleeps.
When are you getting down there?
We'll get I'm going to leave
Tuesday morning,
but I think we're going to
stop somewhere.
Nashville ish,
maybe a little before that
sleep there and then get
back up in the morning and
go the rest of the way.
We don't need to be there
before like noon.
We can't check in until four,
and I don't think my
check-in is until later
afternoon at the venue.
Oh, go ahead, Carolyn.
Will they announce any workouts before?
Did they say anything about that?
If they'll release anything
and then did they talk
about the uniforms for you guys?
That's my two questions for you.
Oh, yes.
We are getting workouts
released starting Monday
was the plan most likely.
The first one they're going
to release is the one that
they said would have the running.
So that's probably the first
one we'll hear about.
And they'll probably,
he said they would not announce them all,
probably leave two to, I don't know,
two or three in the secrecy.
So all week we should get a
workout essentially.
And then the, yes, they,
obviously they've heard all
the complaints about the uniforms.
So the solution is that we
can buy more Northern
Spirit apparel if we would like.
We can wear any Northern
Spirit apparel on the floor.
So we can go to the booth and buy more.
But it is mandatory for every event.
And you said you had 10 events?
And three uniforms?
Or was it more?
Yeah, I believe it's three.
Because it wasn't even
enough for each day.
Like it wasn't even four outfits.
Yeah.
Three outfits.
Do you have laundry?
No, I don't.
I have a sink.
I mean,
at least if you're going to
acknowledge that,
at least give like a 50%
off coupon for the Northern
Spirit booth or something.
Just be like, you know,
we're trying to do what we can.
Here's a discount to get
some more apparel items.
There's just a lot of you
and that was our budget.
And I would at least respect that.
Just to be like, well,
come spend more money.
I mean, it's frustrating.
Everything about this seems
like a money grab.
Lex says having to buy more is ridiculous.
Yeah.
Or, like, my... And I didn't speak up,
so it is kind of... It's
not fair of me to say this now, really.
But, like...
I would if if you're
acknowledging there isn't enough uniforms,
but you want it to look good,
like at least pick your
like primetime events and just say, hey,
are your your evening event Thursday,
Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
You have to be on the floor
in northern spirit.
Like those are the four
events you must wear.
And we ask that you can for
the other events as much as possible.
But we acknowledge that, you know,
some stuff might be dirty and,
but just pick the,
pick the like main events
that like are going to
showcase our sport the most
and that are your prime
time hours on YouTube.
I don't know.
That would be my solution, but I get it.
Andrew Sten says,
that's on Northern Spirit and CrossFit,
not Legends.
I know that for us to be on the floor,
we have to be doing behind the scenes.
For our people on the floor,
we have to be in Northern Spirit.
So hopefully they supply us
with at least some.
You'll probably get more than us.
We'll find out.
We also lost our ice bath sponsor,
so there's no ice baths.
Who was the ice bath sponsor?
I think Chili Goat.
And the other information we
got was that they currently
don't have any,
like a Rosti isn't coming.
They're working on getting somebody,
so hopefully we do.
But yeah.
You guys are the ones that
need it the most.
I know.
All the tape, all the everything,
the foam rolls.
I see Masters of the Games on day one,
half of you guys have all
taped up shoulders and knees.
Yup.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm actually,
it sounds like all they're going to do,
Boulder,
Jason Grubb has offered to bring in, like,
I think he has a few tubs.
And so, like, those will be available.
But that's,
you're talking 500 plus
athletes using three or four tubs.
Like, yeah.
I thought Jay Burch was
talking about duct tape, binding twine.
Oh, I was thinking the metal, like,
troughs.
I was thinking the stuff to
hold the athlete together.
I'm just kidding.
All right.
Well, we're, we're heading out,
I think Tuesday evening.
Okay.
As far as we can so that we
can be there for check-in
to start the behind the scenes check-in.
And I think Ortega is going
to be there sometime that
day and Caitlin will be
there sometime that day.
So yeah,
we should get rolling right about then.
But yes, super excited about that.
Super excited to meet all
these people I've met
online over the last month
and a half to get to meet them in person.
But, you know,
I was really upset about the
40 in the lower divisions
when it first came out.
But some of the people I've
talked to are in that 40th
position and they're the coolest people.
Yeah, I'm sure they are.
Uh, so Lex is asking,
what's your plan for
releasing content behind the scenes?
Well,
I'm going to put it behind a paywall.
No.
Like subscribe.
If I ever would do that,
it would just be for like a day or two.
Yeah.
Uh, but the, actually the,
the plan is to release,
to have an episode for every event.
and for check-in so it
should be an 11 episode
behind the scenes and one
for each event and then it
the one being three minutes
we may have to tweak that a
bit but around that's the
kind of the gist and I'm
hoping to do one a week
minimum after we get back oh my gosh
What about the bad timing of
the CrossFit trailer coming
out the week after this year's games?
Someone needs fired.
It was free.
They didn't pay for it.
Yeah.
My goal is to like get some
good stuff at check in and
start working on that Wednesday night.
Cause I'll have some time.
Are you doing it all by yourself,
like putting everything
together or are you working
with one of your people
that are going there?
So I think Ortega and I are
going to do all the editing.
He's going to do all the workout stuff.
I'm going to do all the
interview stuff and then
we'll combine it into.
That's the agreement I've made with him.
so anyway we can work on
that check-in one which
would be episode one I can
start working on it
wednesday night because
I'll have time because
chicken doesn't go that
late and then just start
piecing together stuff and
then uh and then when I get
home that I can start
working on episode two is
kind of the plan so episode
one the week after and then
just start going
at at least one a week it
might be more than that if
we can get on a good roll
so but yeah super excited
about it and and I know
like holly's super fast at
the graphics the
leaderboards and stuff
she'll put all that in
there um so but we have a
lot of age groups to cover so it's
It's going to be crazy.
Have I sent you the heat sheet?
No.
You need to separate
yourself between the 55
plus and the 35 to 54.
Really.
Okay.
You need two of you is what I'm saying.
Okay.
Okay.
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weekend uh and so we have
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next few weeks uh and
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