EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)
EEShow is Everything's Energy Show, a long-form interview podcast hosted by Michael Scalar. The official site is ee.show.
Dr. Sandra Rose Michael sits down with Dr. Jenny Hsu of Wellness Visions in Richmond, California, to talk about what changed her mind after a career in academic medicine.
Dr. Hsu trained at UCSF, practiced internal medicine across several VA centers, and taught as a professor of medicine before opening her own center three years ago. She explains what drew her toward lifestyle medicine and the blue zones model, and why she came to believe that a person's story matters as much to their wellbeing as anything on a chart.
The two discuss the small pilot study she ran at her center and later presented to the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, her own curiosity about telomere testing, and the everyday habits she pairs with her sessions: detox baths, daily meditation, and a mostly vegetarian diet. They close on community, the group nights at her center, and what she calls the aloha energy.
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Chapters:
  • (00:00) - A Personal Experiment With Biological Age Testing
  • (01:11) - Meet Dr. Jenny Hsu Of Wellness Visions
  • (01:56) - Three Years In: Growing From 24 To 48 Units
  • (02:33) - Why The Center Was Named Wellness Visions
  • (03:18) - From UCSF To Internal Medicine And The VA
  • (06:51) - Broadening The Definition Of Wellness
  • (08:12) - A Pilot Study On Energy, Exercise, And Lifestyle
  • (10:21) - Modern Environmental Stressors And EMF Awareness
  • (15:23) - Telomere Testing: Establishing A Baseline
  • (17:53) - Repeat Testing After Her First Sessions
  • (20:36) - Presenting The Pilot Study At A4M
  • (26:05) - Why Consistency Matters More Than Intensity
  • (31:02) - Detox Baths And Daily Recovery Habits
  • (46:12) - Reaching Deep Meditative States Quickly
  • (50:36) - Closing: Aloha And The Love Frequency
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Creators and Guests

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Michael Scalar
Host of the Everything's Energy Show by Energy Enhancement System
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Dr. Jenny Hsu
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Dr. Sandra Rose Michael
EESystem Inventor - having taught holistic medicine for more than four decades, Dr. Michael’s research in applied integrative biophysics has earned prestigious recognition, such as the Presidential and International Who’s Who.

What is EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)?

EEShow is Everything’s Energy Show — a long-form interview podcast hosted by Michael Scalar exploring energy, consciousness, wellness inquiry, and field literacy. Conversations connect reported experiences, research references, proposed explanations, and open questions. The official site is ee.show.

Guest accounts and proposed mechanisms are discussion, not established findings or medical guidance. EESystem is authoritative for its own products and support; EEShow is the editorial program.

Disclaimer – Please Read:
The Energy Enhancement System™ (EESystem™) and the content provided on EE.Show (audio, transcripts, guest comments) are not medical advice. EESystem is not designed to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any illness or medical condition. The information presented is for educational and wellness purposes only. If you have or suspect any medical condition, please consult a qualified healthcare professional.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

With the telomere testing, knew at that time I was age 52, biologically was actually at 50s. It was a twenty four unit that I went to, and I also just had been in there just for three, four hours. And then I had the test because I was just checking it, like every three or six months just to see if there were any changes. And I found that my biological age went from 50 to 47, just a few hours of a twenty four unit. And then I was waiting for my twenty four unit.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And so I had received the EEQ. And so I was around the EEQ quite a bit for another few more months and I happened to do another repeat testing, and I found that my biological age actually went down to 38. So that was really very remarkable. I think that those are keys as well to have technology that can help support the body healing its own DNA and also removing these energetic blocks or toxins that can cause disease.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Aloha everyone I am Doctor. Sandra Rose Michael and this is the EEShow. We have Doctor. Jenny Hsu here from Wellness Visions around San Francisco. You want to explain exactly where that is?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, thank you Doctor. Sandra Rose Michael and it's amazing to be here and just chatting with you just about how amazing the Energy Enhancement System, the EESystem is. And Wellness Visions is located in Richmond California. We're just North Of Berkeley and across from San Francisco. So we're really easy to find and we're

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

grateful. You have a wonderful center. I've been there. I did your one year anniversary. Yes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Think how many year three years now?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

It is now three years and it is amazing to see all the transformations we've seen in members coming to our EESystem which was as you know originally 24 unit and we were so excited when you were the one who said we could have the space to upgrade and we have in the last a little over a year.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

So you now have 48 units EESystem up there near San Francisco area. Yes. It's a beautiful center. Do a lot of group stuff too which is wonderful. Yes and one of

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

the things that is really important for Wellness Visions is building the potential for community to connect and to really be inspired to change and shift their life in a healthy and positive way and moving towards that vision of health and wellness. And that's really why we called our Center Wellness Visions.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah you know you're holding the vision for sure and as a doctor not just a doctor you're a professor of medicine too and coming from that background you went into the the real health and wellness side. You want to tell a little bit about that?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Oh absolutely and you know my journey is very interesting. I know everybody's story is very unique but I grew up just loving the sciences. I was really fascinated with how things worked and so I loved biology but I also knew I loved connecting with people and I was inspired by my father who is also a physician and an acupuncturist to go into medicine, but it was really the idea that I could help people kind of decode what was going on in their life and have the tools, the science and the knowledge to help people. And when I went into medicine after graduating from UCSF in San Francisco, I was really in love with the idea that I would go to primary care and just be on the forefront, helping people. And I went into internal medicine thinking that I would work with adults and that took on this career that I had the opportunity of not only working with many patients in my career, including various VA centers, but also- And our veterans.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Oh yes, so I remember being at the VA center in San Francisco, also Danville, Illinois. So I understand the journey they were in, both as a medical student and later in residency training. And also I had the fortune of not only teaching medical students and residents, so the future physicians, but also understanding what it took to be connected still with the sciences. So I had the fortune of doing some clinical science work also in my career. But the path that got me to where I am is very important because...

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

But you also taught in medical school

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

too right? You're a

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

professor of medicine. Yes I did and I was involved in helping students just understand the power of the story. And I think that's a very important concept because that path of healing is really understanding the story. So, and what I love is that this path that I'm on, not only am I hearing people's story, but they're able to shift that story in a powerful way. And so what I've come to realize that a lot of people not only have unique stories, but they are just loving the ability to share what's going on inside of them.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Because a lot of times they have, for different reasons, not been able to share that story. But in an environment, especially with the EESystem, they start to feel relaxed, they open up, and we have a wonderful team at Miles Visions who's there to understand that everybody's on their own journey. Because what we really appreciate about the EESystem is that not only is it shifting things on the physical level, but the emotional, mental and really spiritual level.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, which is, you know, it's really holistic in that way, it really plays into your whole background and what you wanted to create for your vision for healing.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, absolutely. Because as I went through a very, let's say traditional allopathic route, I realized that there was a lot more to healing than what I had been taught in medical school. And I want to honor all the healers of the world, whether it's naturopaths like yourself, Doctor. Sandra, other people who have been in the healing community, acupuncturists, chiropractors, just nutritionists, other healers who have understood that there are so many elements to healing. And so what I came to understand was that everybody can create that vision and change that direction, as I mentioned before, that story.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And so if they have a vision, think about when you're really excited as a kid about something you wanna do, how excited you can be and if you have this dream of being able to create something or do something that you have all this passion and energy towards that. And I like to think of it that the EESystem can give you that energy. The energy to live your

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

greatest vision, your greatest life, your greatest love. Yeah.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, absolutely. Because in this present model, which we know is a model that's not going to continue in the long term, because it's just not sustainable as we know, is that when people understand that ability to shift their story and they're going towards this path of just being inspired to not only have the energy, because what we found in this small pilot study that we did at Wellness Visions, was that people had the energy to exercise. People had the energy to cook healthier. As I shifted into becoming a lifestyle medicine physician, is based on the blue zones and understanding how we can connect with our own body, our study showed that people had more of a mind body connection. They had a stronger connection to the creator and they also could focus on just the inner healing that we're all meant to do.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Because a lot of times we find that people who come to our center, they're all amazing givers and they have given so much of their time or energy that they need also an environment that's safe and nurturing for them to come in to our center or any EESystem centers, because I know many EESystem center owners, they hold this high regard for supporting your mission for healing the planet. And so this is why so many center owners are committed to that. They are here to support our communities and understanding that the journey really begins with within. And so why not in an amazing place where you can actually do a time to just relax, meditate, take a nap and really focus on that inner healing.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, ideal optimal meditational states as you know. It's phenomenal for that. But a hyper healthy energetic environment because we're living in such a toxic soup. I know you wanted to talk little bit about that as well. You know with all the radiation, EMF, ELF, radiation, microwaves, a toxic soup of things that people are dealing with you know.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, absolutely. And this is really the way I see it, the true pandemic. And especially when you look at how some of these cell phone towers, which are very toxic are being built around schools and communities and affecting not only just on many levels mental and emotional health, but physical health. And I know Doctor. Sandra, you've done this great demo where you show that people, even strong men and women, if they're holding

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

cell phone, they go totally weak. You still do that testing with people on a

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

regular, I do. Because we want people to stay strong no matter what we're exposed to. Exactly and just simply wearing the hyper charged bracelet like what we have here is enough to just mitigate the effect of the cell phone. However, if you think about it, people have WiFi in their homes and what is this doing to them? So I know that one of the things that is very important is to get the word out that not only are the EESystems helping to mitigate, we had a member with terrible EMF syndrome, she couldn't even hold a cell phone, she just had this terrible pain.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

But after being in the EESystem, she could actually hold the phone. And there are other things that are coming out. So one of the things that is really concerning is that, not only are these EMFs, as you know, causing issues psychiatrically such as anxiety or depression, but it is linked with cancer risk as well.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And our cancer rates are over the top. So many reasons why, all toxic environmental things, but also I know post COVID we're dealing with a lot and you're seeing a lot with that too, right?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes. So what is amazing to know is that there is a solution, because I know it's one thing to be aware of things such as the EMF or the effects of, let's say vaccines, but it is another thing to know you have a amazing system to come into that not only energizes your body to heal itself, but actually promotes the potential for detoxifying the body. And having this be shown on live blood microscopy is amazing. Yeah, it is amazing to see. Do you have live blood cell at your center?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

I don't have that, but I have seen just photos of that and just seeing that it can shift very easily. We have done the biofield testing, so we have seen that the energy for people and alignment of our energy centers, which many people might know as the chakras, there is marked improvement before the E system and afterwards. So that's another example. And some of the things that we have done in our pilot study was also to look at metabolic markers and vital signs. So we saw that blood pressure levels did drop to more healthier levels.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

We also found that hormone levels and other levels such as cholesterol improved. To me this really cooperates some of the amazing testimonials that people said. We had a member who was able to wean off her thyroid medication. Of course, that does have to be done under the supervision of a practitioner, but, for her to get off of that and also be able to get off bio identical hormones is pretty amazing. Yeah,

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

we've had many, many people have those kinds of results because the body wants to heal and when it has a healthy environment, it wants to balance as you know. You've seen a lot. I know one of the first things you saw was the study with your own body when you got the system. Now you had just done biological age testing, right?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Right, yes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Before using a system and before getting your cube. You want to explain what you experienced with that? Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Because it's pretty cool. It is. And so as I was shifting and building wellness visions, I was exploring other ways of just improving energy and vitality and longevity.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

But you're actually dealing with anti aging medicine. Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And what I am focused on is that people have just better quality of life. So no matter what age we may live to, but I'm also at this point really inspired because I hold the vision that our people who may live long lives, they're really the wisdom keepers for our communities. And so I'm really amazed at how people can live really these healthy lives past 100 and our human potential is much more. But going back to that a few years ago, I did do a baseline test of my own, what we call biological age. And we look at the biological age because it's a correlation of the health of your DNA and your cells.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

So, at that This

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

was actually telomere testing originally, Yes,

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

right. This was telomere testing. And so with the telomere testing I knew at that time I was at age 52 but my baseline chronological age of 52, biologically was at 50. So I was

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

You're already two years younger than what your biological age typically would be like because of all the health modalities you were already employing, Yes.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And that included daily meditation. I also just exercise regularly and I eat a very healthy diet, mostly vegetarian for many years. And so that was my baseline, but I was really kind of curious to see how it would shift because I know there's a lot of great, let's say supplements and technology out there. So I had that information. So I was looking at the question and it was really synchronicity because I had this done right around the time I found out about the EESystem.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

What was really remarkable was that about a month after I was able to go into the EESystem for the first time,

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

I had a repeat test done. Wasn't that repeat test, you had been to a system two times, three hours each? A 24 unit EESystem, Right,

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

and it was if I a unit that I went to and I also just had been in there just for, like you said, just about three, four hours. And then I had the test because I was just checking it at a point. I was checking it at that point, like every three or six months just to see if there were any changes. And I found that my biological age went from 50 to 47.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

So you were like three years younger? Yes. From using the system two times or something like that, Yes,

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

a few hours of a 24 unit. And then I was waiting for my 24 unit. And so I had received the EE Cube. And so I was around the EE Cube quite a bit for another few more months and I happened to do another repeat testing, and I found that my biological age actually went down to 38. So that was really very remarkable, and that was actually the impetus of why...

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And that's 38 when you were 52, right?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, yes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

We'd rather grow younger than older. I'm in my mid-70s now, so. Yes.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And you know, the way I see it, it's a combination. You're so youthful, Doctor. In so many ways, and it's really kind of our mindset and what we hold in our heart. So I think that those are keys as well, to know that somebody is a certain number of years young is how I like to phrase it, but also to have technology that can help support the body healing its own DNA and also removing these energetic blocks or toxins that can cause disease. The toxicity.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And we're living in such a toxic environment, in such a toxic world. You know, our initial testing with telomeres goes back to the late 90s, the year 2000, in that range, when it was tested out of Houston and found that it was lengthening the telomeres and repairing all the breaks in the DNA plus the lengthening of telomeres. That's who originally did that research. It was a researcher for NASA out of Houston.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

That's amazing. And you know people see it physically. They might see that their hair, I know you've heard these testimonials for years, the hair turning back to its original color, their face appears more youthful and we love it when people come out and they have this radiant glow you see visible. It's visible and they have more energy and to see it witnessed because in our study of 26 people we found that in fifty two hours in a 24 unit that the average age reversal was on average three years. Some people actually had reversed their age quite a bit more.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, some of the people didn't they reversed quite a bit more, but it was at the time when everybody was dealing with the COVID jabs being released and dealing with all kinds of extra toxicity. When you did that study, which you presented for the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, and that was in 2024 when we did the study. So yes, it was right after kind of this period when there was a lot of concern about what was going on with the COVID vaccines, and just knowing that there is something that can change that and shift it. Because I saw that one of the participants of the study, her age reversal was like 12. And not only did she have this, she had this chronic pelvic pain that she had had for many decades and that was gone. And to know that there are things that can assist people in releasing these conditions that they've had long standing for

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

a long time. Yeah, it's really just a healthy environment where the body can heal itself as you know. It's just creating a healthy environment, an ideal optimal energetic environment that we would have if we had heaven on earth right now, which is what we really want. A new heaven, a new earth through us. But we're living in such a toxic soup like you talked about and people's exposures, especially during COVID were pretty extreme.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, it was. And there's hope for people to know that they can come to a place where any vaccine related type of symptoms have the potential to be released and for people to have the potential to hear stories from people who had experienced, for example, long COVID and for their energy to come back. And also it was very interesting. I was at a conference here in Las Vegas called the Red Pill Expo which was started by G. Edward Griffin.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah G. Edward Griffin. He wrote a book on actually a couple famous books that he's known for. Let's mention those too. One of them was on the Laetrile B-twelve you know that which is pretty incredible.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

That's from your Apricot Seeds. That's one

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

of his books. Yes it is and I had the opportunity to meet his lovely wife Patricia

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

and he's in his 90s they're both in their 90s now.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes. They're like phenomenal. They are and just really grateful that they are kind of carrying that story forward about Laetrol and the power of the B17 to reverse conditions. It turned out Patricia was involved in writing some of the case studies from Doctor. Richardson many years And so to know that there is a potential for being able to use these plant derivatives, as well as the EESystem, I think that is very powerful to hear people who are able to not only clear conditions in the human body, but also for animals too.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

That's been reported by many different centers and different testimonials.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Oh, with our technology so much with animals. They're much easier than humans actually. Yes, and my husband Dan and I,

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

we discovered that because one of our two cats, Bella, she had had a dental issue and the vet had recommended that she had that tooth removed and I suggested to Dan that one of the things we could do was put one of the HyperCharge White Jade mini medallions around our cat's collar. And our cat was in front of the EQ and a year later when he took Bella back to the vet, that tooth was just fine.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, the amount of crazy healing that we see, it's amazing. Right. Yeah, back to your study, that was a really interesting study and you presented it like a year and a half ago, Yes. For the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine. But it was a good pilot study.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

What did

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

you say, 37 people over six months? Well we had about 26 people over six months. They were in there for fifty two hours. Yes, it would be wonderful to have more data to see the changes. And I think that the potential is that as people spend more time, because that's one of the beauty of just the EESystem, that it's cumulative, that you can see these results.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Because we're living in this toxic environment and some is invisible. So knowing that as we are shifting things, especially in the mental and emotional plane, because not many people are aware that actually can be the underlying causes of their disease. And so it's important to work on that part because it's very much connected to the physical plane. And we are beings of energy. And so understanding that those things can create these energetic blocks is really ideal to know that if you are able to come in consistently and regularly and we have some members who get this.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

They come in every week. We actually have a member who has been coming pretty consistently from almost the very beginning. And he had severe bilateral shoulder arthritis. He had severe narrowing in his neck, cervical spinal stenosis and so he had numbness and pain in his hands. He couldn't work anymore and he's you know very smart.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

He, knew that the writing was on the wall but he did not want surgery and he did self medicate for a few years before finding out about our center but, he really believed in the potential for his body to heal. So he comes in every week, the pain is gone, he has better range of motion in his shoulders, and the amazing thing, and we're gonna follow-up with this, is that he went to his orthopedic surgeon recently and the surgeon didn't know about the EESystem, but there was cartilage and more normal appearing joint. And so that's pretty amazing that he had been so committed to EESystem that over time he has done really well. And that's so important for people to hear right now because sometimes people are very much, let's say, going from technology to technology, which is fine, but you have to make a decision to yourself that you're able to heal yourself. And I find that people who are committed and understand how the EESystem works, they will see miracles.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And I know you're all about miracles,

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Doctor. Love Sandra the miracles. Well, and the power that made the body heals the body. It's the old chiropractic principle, which I started with in the seventies actually. The power that made the body heals the body, it's like how do you plug back into that cosmic light socket and turn the lights back on?

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Literally, as you know, the prime function of the DNA is storage of photons, We quantums of are bodies and beings of light. Yes.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And I think that the more that people understand that we are beings of light and that being in this amazing coherent field of the EESystem is beneficial to not only themselves but their loved ones whether it's their partners, their children, grandchildren because not only is the EESystem able to just have this potential for healing, especially when you're committed to it. But I believe the EESystem is so extraordinary. It can turn on much more of our amazing human potential. And powerful, infinite

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

beings and bodies of light. Exactly. Literally. So we've seen anything and everything heal, it's also so different than the medical model in that it's not one person at a time, not practitioner dependent. You can do other things that can certainly be adjuncts like using your far infrared sauna, I know you incorporate that.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Detox, detox, detox. And doing the detox baths are critical. Because when the body has the charge, of course the body wants to clear out or get rid of discharge, everything that doesn't belong. And of course you see that. Oh yes,

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

I mean I love the detox baths and you feel amazing afterwards. And I have my own personal story to share because just now about five months ago, I had this very strange incident where I had a fall and that's very unusual for me. But I fell on my left hip and thigh and it was enough where I was hobbling a little bit immediately afterwards and fortunately I was coming into my center, a talk and making my way through it, but I was doing it overnight. And by the next day, it felt great and even better after the detox bath. So it speaks to the power of our ability to harness that self healing potential, especially under that coherent bioscaler field that the EESystem creates for us.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And just amazing to harness these nature frequency, the Schumann resonance and everything, and the Fibonacci sequence, everything that can support that change so rapidly.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, and really it's about the highest potential. And so that's where you are really delving as well into the higher potentials of the spiritual side. Yes. And what that really means. Isn't that the most wonderful thing?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

That is. Not only to just go within, but I also just love that the EES centers really promote because as we focus on our inner healing we're actually helping others and supporting others who are coming into the EES centers and really accelerating the potential for healing when people come together in that way. So I love that people are really not only there to share with each other their stories, as we talked about, But even in their time to just meditate or take a nap or do it overnight and they're gathered with other people, you're all helping each other out.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah. Yeah I know you've seen a lot of miracles there with your community and I loved seeing your center when I was there. The beautiful center.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Oh thank you it's really amazing to just see all the people gathering and we love to be able to share the things that we're doing there all the time. So we have events, whether it's sound healing and guided meditations. We also have speakers that will come and other things to celebrate community. And so it's a great place to connect and learn new things all the time with just things that are coming up for us in the world and the potential to just create this new heaven and a new earth. I feel like each center is really a sacred place for each of us.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Not only just to support the people gathered there, but for the earth, for the greater community. And I just feel like we are these nodes of light that we're creating the potential to welcome people into our center, to have a very supportive environment to be in and to see how they can be part of this great shift, this great awakening we're in.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah and it's great that you know you're bringing your experience as an MD, as a doctor and bringing it to its highest potential and you get to see I think the best thing ever miracles. Yes.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

I know. I love the miracles to see a family who brought two autistic sons. And an hour in the forty eight unit, they had a better verbal abilities was so amazing and extraordinary and gave such hope to the moms. And to see a change like that happen, just is extraordinary that it helps children of all ages and to have a technology that's safe for women of all ages. I mean, if people understood that this could help children as they were growing in the mom's womb from day one.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And the fertility levels also increased for those that have been trying to get pregnant.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

We have so many people that have conceived after using the system when they've been doing fertility treatments for years already. Yes. I'm sure you've seen that too.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes. And you know, that goes back to what we were talking about. Your hormone levels are more normal and balanced. So it's helping the women, it's helping the men with testosterone levels. And unfortunately there's a lot of things as we both know well that is in, for example, the water that's affecting hormone levels for people in the community and for them to understand that this yes can improve fertility, to be able to start a family, a healthy family in a healthy environment.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Let's And have healthy kids. Because I know the autism rates in California are almost what, one in fifteen boys or something

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

like that? It's quite high.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Very, very high.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And if you understand that this is really not how we used to be. No. But there is a solution to it. Yeah.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And actually with Doctor. Teri Shintani in Hawaii, the peer reviewed published study was a reversal of seizure disorder in a clear case of vaccine damage in autism with a little girl who's almost four years old. I'm sure you've seen that

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Oh yes, I've seen that study and it's very extraordinary for a little girl just being her usual self playing under the E system. And related to that, I know that I've had a chance to share my story, which is on the Wellness Visions YouTube channel but it is about

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Oh you have your own channel? I do. Wellness Visions has their own channel. Everybody needs to know that. I didn't know that.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

I do have

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

a YouTube channel and so I shared the story of my husband Dan who reversed sixty years of concussion with the EESystem. And he knew right away when he came to the system, this is before we even had a chance to meet, but he is somebody who- Well, was coming regularly before you two connected,

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

right?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes. And so a friend of his had brought him in because Dan had a history of concussions from age seven when he was in a car accident. And he was an active individual, he played hockey, football. He had other kinds of events happen, including a very serious concussion two months before he came in. And this caused so much brain fog and difficulty where he couldn't even drive down a freeway.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

The fastest he could go was 55 miles per hour. And what happened was that he had had a spec scan done a few weeks before he came in to our center. So we had a baseline too, and we knew what his spec scan, which if you look at it was very abnormal and he could tell. And he had been trying to heal his brain already for twelve years prior. So he was taking brain supplements.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

He's somebody who has always believed in holistic natural health and was also trying a different light therapy diligently for twelve years. And while there was, he believed some effect, he still struggled with his mood and he also struggled with his ability to process things, especially after the last concussion. So he was really trying very hard to find a place. So as soon as he came into, at that time, a 24 unit EESystem, he could feel the energy and he's somebody very intuitive. And as electrician, he feels the energy.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

So he could tell that this was place that could support him. And he is very dedicated to his health. So he sat in the system every day for five months. Every day for five months? Yes.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Wow. He would get in an hour before work. He worked swing shift. So he knew that he had to put the time in after sixty years. And within thirty hours in a 24 unit, the brain fog lifted and also he could drive the freeway.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And what was extraordinary was that he's somebody who not only is very committed, but he charts all the time that he's been in. So he had, by the time a repeat scan had taken place a year afterwards, he had spent eleven hundred hours in the EESystem. And part of the time was, about half was in the 24, about half was the 48. And he could really feel the difference of the 48. And to see that SPECT scan a year later, this is extraordinary.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Because if you are in that clinical allopathic world, you're not gonna see changes like this.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

No, it gets worse, doesn't get better, Exactly.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And so this looked very normal compared to average men, similar to his age. And better. He felt more calm. The mood issues that he struggled with was really gone. And so it was a big game changer for Dan.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And somewhere along the way, you two connected. Yes. It's part of his healing.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

It is part of his healing. And what we have found is that because people can utilize the EESystem to clear emotional and just focus on just their mental health that it was just meant to be. That we were doing our own inner work connected and not only did we have this extraordinary connection, but we just fell in love. And so we thank you, Doctor. Sandra and the EESystem for that.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And I got to do the kahuna blessings for your marriage, your union.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, that was really so special to us. Thank you. Mahalo at Luanoa for that. So it was really, yes, amazing to be able to find that as we are releasing these things, really synchronicities and miracles are happening because I didn't expect that I would be, let's say getting married.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

You weren't looking for that.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

I wasn't looking for that. I know that for myself and Dan too, we were focused on healing kind of the things that we learned from past relationships. And we now recognize this all in experience. We thank our partners from the past that have led us here, but we're on our journey now together, and I hope that other people can see that.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, well you're on, like on a perpetual honeymoon. Yes, you are. The happiness that I see with both of you is just magnificent.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Oh, thank you.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

The honeymooners. Yes, are the honeymooners.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And we still love to just be in the system and we aim for a couple of overnights a week in the 48 unit and we do You our detox have

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

a cube at home by your bed as well, right?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

We do. And we love the cube. We have two cubes, so one upstairs and one downstairs. And we like to share the cube when we go to expos where we can share with just how extraordinary the EESystem is. And people love that energy of Yeah.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

The They work. They do.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And a lot of people love having them in their bedroom or having them at home to be able to, you know, stay healthy and stay strong.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

You can get, go to a bigger center for more units, but those cubes are, they work. They're just the baby. Yes, they're

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

the baby. And we love our baby. But we do know that, yes, especially the centers with the bigger units and also the chance to connect with people, I think that's so vital in the healing process too, is to get the support, find out other synergistic ways that you can, let's say, share that story, be able to recognize it. Because what we find is that people may not even be conscious of some of these things that they have, let's say, buried in their past. So this is an opportunity to get it out.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

The things that have been long forgotten, especially as children, some of this-

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And that's what's behind most disease and aging, it's the traumas that have been held of the old, you know, the old issues that have been held in the tissues, literally.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes. And to find something that can bring it out in a safe and healthy and constructive way, because this allows the people to have the awareness that they may have something that they held within them, but it's all coming out. So it's really extraordinary where people will share dreams that they've had or a realization during a meditation. Like, oh, this is why I feel this way and I'm letting

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

it go. Yeah, it's ideal optimal meditational states that balancing of right left brain. So yeah, it's really quite unique for people to be able to rebalance anything and everything within themselves in their fields. I know we've seen anything and everything heal. I know you've witnessed probably how many

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

miracles? Yes, really amazing miracles. And the other thing is just to appreciate, I know that one of the things I love telling people that you've shared with us is that people get into a meditative state like a Tibetan monk in seven minutes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, that was the actual research. And this was done by our Pentagon researcher that found you can go into a deeper meditational state than a Tibetan monk in seven minutes. It's astounding, but that's that right left brain synchronization, but also the body being able

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

to relax into those deep states very quickly and easily. And that's wonderful, because when people understand that relaxation, getting into more balance, especially with a parasympathetic stage, so that their stem cells can activate, their DNA can do the repair, phenomenal to get into that state, especially in this modern age with a lot of technology that distracts us. And so the best thing is just to turn off all that tech, come into the EESystem, and just get recharged, clear your body of toxins, and focus on the inner healing.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah. Well, thanks for coming and joining us here in Las Vegas, since you came in for the Red Tail Expo, and that was fun. Yes. And I'm glad you're here, and we got to see you and connect again, and I love it. Yes, I

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

know what Dan and I always love saying, Doctor. Sandra, and how you shine your light and we're here to just support more of the EESystem centers around the world that people can understand that it starts within. And so just getting people to come to the center and sharing these amazing miracles and stories, this is the time. We're awakening to more to the truth that we hold that divine power within us. We're so deeply connected to our creator, to mother earth.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

And so as we heal ourselves, we're gonna see this amazing miracle of just healing around the whole planet. So thank you, Doctor. Sandra.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

That's what it's really about. Just wanna heal the world, so that's why we're here. Thank you for sharing. Of course there's close to 600 centers, but there's thousands of units in private homes, like that EE cube, or like Tony Robbins has 24 units around his bed, or I now have 24 units around my bed, finally, myself. So that gets very exciting.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

You have your EE cube at home you go sleep at your center.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

And you do the Scalar slumber parties there.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes, and you know we love it when people come, because that's the best time to be healing is the overnights and they're already in that state of relaxation and getting into the Delta and theta waves and allowing that magic to work as they sleep.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing with everybody. Is there anything else you wanna... Any other particular cool miracles you wanna share before we end?

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Well, I wanna just share that this space is so special because a lot of people are not necessarily connected to themselves. And it's so important to get into the space of connecting and really going within into the heart especially and giving that space of loving yourself, forgiving yourself. And I'm so grateful that part of the miracle of EESystem is to provide that love frequency, aloha energy for people to really feel it. And so I really would love people to know how special each EES center is to hold that love frequency for each individual and for the planet.

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

Yeah, aloha, that oneness with the breath and the perfection of the love of all life. It's all within us, and we're here to share that spirit.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Yes. Yes. Aloha. So

Dr. Sandra Rose Michael:

thank you for being on with us and sharing with everyone. And, yeah, happy journeys.

Dr. Jenny Hsu:

Thank you.