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What is going on, everybody?

Welcome to Lunch with the Clydesdale.

This is Wednesday.

We're doing some Cajun

cooking on a Wednesday

because that's because we

bring in the Cajun himself,

Corey Leonard.

What's going on, brother?

What's happening, Scott?

Just another day in paradise, brother,

man.

Hey, Sarah.

Yeah, so, yeah,

a lot going on in the space

these last couple days.

Yeah.

Um,

we've kept everything pretty full on

this show.

Usually I'm struggling like

on the Monday and the

Tuesday after the Sunday

show to like have anything to talk about.

Um, but man,

like every day there's just

stuff coming out now.

We got the world fitness

project qualifier starting today.

Um, did you see, uh,

did you see spins post about it?

Uh, do you mean with the community stuff?

Yeah.

With like the people signed up for it.

Yeah, well,

that's for the community events,

and you can sign up up until the event,

and you don't have to call.

Word.

I didn't know that.

I just saw the numbers on there.

I thought it was interesting.

Yeah, that they pay out the podium,

and some of them don't even

have three teams signed up.

Yeah.

Someone in the comments was like,

this is kind of cool,

but I wish I was in one of

the divisions that only had three people.

Yeah.

so you could make money as

long as you are in the top

three in those community

events there are some of

the events don't even have

three teams in them um but

we have six weeks before

that event takes off and

there's and it's first come

first serve there is no

qualifier good for now so

you and me could do teams

right now just get signed

up brother get signed up I gotta

I got a list I've been

adding to since I started

competing of team names for

CrossFit competition.

And I don't know why it

didn't strike me before,

but I just added the Magic

Man and El Diablo.

Sarah wants to know if you

guys can be a team for free money.

I'm in.

Sign me up, sir.

Sign me up.

I mean, good Lord.

What's the registration fee for it?

I imagine you got to pay to

play like anything else.

I just don't know what it is.

I never looked into it.

Like there is probably a registration fee.

Um, I don't know what those are.

Honestly.

Like I I'm at a level where

I'm not ready to compete.

Um,

I'm quite there.

We get working on it.

So before we get into too much yesterday,

I talked about my goals in the open,

how I hit twentieth

percentile up eight percent

from the twelfth in twenty twenty three.

Someone in the chat asked me

about how you find out what

those levels are and stuff like that.

I actually have the chart.

Here, pull it up.

Let me... This one.

There we go.

So it's tiny.

I'll blow it up here.

Yeah, yeah.

Find my mouse.

There we go.

All right.

So there are five divisions, pro, advanced,

intermediate, novice, and rookie.

As I mentioned yesterday...

I think I'm level two,

but actually I didn't realize this.

There's a fifty five plus level.

So one through five is

eleven to twenty first percentile.

So maybe I'm a level five now.

I don't know.

But in the regular division,

it is eleven to twenty one

percent is level two.

And then like twenty two to

thirty two is level three.

Thirty three to forty three is level four.

Forty four to fifty four is level five.

Fifty five to sixty five is level six.

Sixty six to seventy six is seven.

Seventy seven to eighty seven is eight.

Eighty eight to ninety eight is nine.

And you have to be in the

ninety ninth or higher

percentile to be level ten.

and you can find your

percentile by logging into

the app it's like on the

first page you see they

give you a percentile of

where you finished then you

just come over to here you

plug in the percentile you

finished and it'll tell you

what level you are look

that up now while we're

talking about it because it uh

would be a lot easier if in

the app they told you if um

what your level is in

addition to so I don't know

if it's still doing it the

same way it used to but I

know like on my profile

from last year or the

current current one or

whatever it said what

number I was next to my

name like if you go look at

your athlete profile on the app

I don't know if they're

still quantifying it like they did before,

but it was on there before.

Yeah, I've been looking.

It's just percentile at this point.

So you can see like there.

I don't know if you can.

Yeah.

What I'm saying is if you go

look at your stuff, it's not that,

but like go click on where

you can view your profile.

It had a number by it.

Okay.

Like where it says view athlete profile.

So right now mine doesn't have anything.

Yeah.

My last year that had a number next to it.

Okay.

Yeah.

Nothing on my athlete profile at all.

But yeah, there's my world ride.

Twentieth percentile.

Right along.

Maybe one percent better every day.

D Reed says he's two levels below rookie.

I have one that's hard to believe.

Doug's fit, man.

Don't let him lie to you.

I know his name's David, by the way.

We just like to call him

Doug Reed because Seve's

been calling him Doug Reed

for the past six months.

So yeah, those are the levels.

I didn't realize that

Fifty-Five Plus and

Fourteen to Fifteen had

their own set of criteria.

And so,

eleven to twenty-one is one through five.

And then you get ten at

sixty-six percent if fifty-five plus.

That don't make a lot of sense to me.

I don't know why the

percentile of one would be

different than the

percentile of the other.

Yeah,

that's kind of... You consider it a ten,

but you're only in as,

you know... Sixty-seven percentile?

Yeah.

That's kind of weird.

Is that supposed to be like

an overall thing?

I guess that's how they're

going to do it for the community cup,

the community cup.

So this is actually called

the community cup tiers.

Yeah.

So like I said,

doing that proceeding

because you go against your level,

not necessarily your age group.

yeah and then they're the

fourteen fifteen year olds

you only have to be in well

it's eight to ten so

somewhere in that range of

forty four to sixty five

you start level ten I think

that's fair because some

fourteen fifteen year olds

are like already hidden

already hit puberty started

growing and whatnot some

are not like still you know

developing and whatnot so

it's kind of a lot of match

up against the same age

group the two ages like I

don't know why you wouldn't

just use the same

percentage but maybe the

numbers are so small that

the upper tiers would

wouldn't be enough to form

a full amount of people

that's probably what it is

fifty five plus and

fourteen and fifteen the

groups would be too small

so you have yeah like your

age group so my my one of

my best friends uh bernard

like he's fifty five plus

two and uh we were talking

about the other day like

there's thirteen thousand

people in forty five forty nine men

Like just just just my age group.

And then fifty five, fifty nine,

like it dropped down tremendously.

Like the number was way,

way lower in fifty five, fifty nine.

As far as like, you know,

people actually registered for the open.

It was mind boggling because

it's not that much older than me,

relatively speaking.

I mean, I'll be forty eight in a month.

And I'm not that far from fifty five,

fifty nine.

And just the numbers that

the amount of number that dropped off,

I thought was absolutely bananas.

I think Sarah hit it on the head.

I think when you get to

fifty five plus and fourteen, fifteen,

they're just they're different groups.

There's less signups.

Yeah.

Like we always talk about

the Masters being the most

populated signups to the open.

But that's really the thirty

five to forty nine year old divisions.

Yeah.

Like it's those three

divisions that are fifty

percent of open signups.

I'm sure other divisions sign up as well,

but just not at the clip

that those three do.

Yeah, I mean,

obviously the open division

is the biggest one.

And then that thirty five, like you said,

from thirty five to forty nine,

there's a lot of people.

I mean, good Lord.

yes doug you are correct

yeah I was a listen what

happens at fifty five I was

a big benefit from um I was

not I I have an rx to uh an

open workout and so damn

long um and I I could have

rx'd all three this year um

I I did rx too

And again, I've said the second one,

I chose to compete against

my old score rather than go

RX because I wanted to see

where I was at.

So I did that one twice, Scott,

just saying,

did one against your old score,

gave yourself two days and

then do it again.

I am fifty five.

I'm fifty five.

And that means body can do one a weekend.

I'm a one and done for the

rest of my life.

You young kids in your forties,

you can go twice,

three times if you want on the weekend.

I'm a one and done-er.

You young kids and that dog.

I feel like you're talking

about Scooby-Doo at this point.

Yeah.

You pesky kids.

Meddling kids and that dog.

My wife, my friends,

everybody knows I've become

the get off my lawn dude.

Oh, I can't wait.

I'm already, look, I'm halfway there.

My neighbors, I'll get home.

So our houses face each

other in our neighborhood,

which is not necessarily a thing.

So like when I pull into my garage,

I can see their garage,

which is not supposed to be

a thing in the neighborhood.

And I'll get home and one of

their kids will be like the

back tire of his car that

we parked in the street.

But the back tire will be on

my grass and I lose my ever loving mind.

I'm like,

I'm like actually physically angry.

I want to take the tow strap

out the back of my Jeep and

hook it to Bryce's car and

pull it out of the way.

So, yeah, I feel you.

I'll take your forty year

old grumpy old man and I will raise you.

If I if I'm driving down my

street and a car is this

far off the curb.

Giving me little space to get by.

I lose my I want to get out,

write a note on, put it on the windshield,

learn how to park your car.

So FYI, don't ask me how I know this,

but you can order

pre-posted pre-printed

sticky notes from Amazon

and you can write whatever

you want on them.

Again, don't ask me how I know that.

My wife may or may not be

waiting for me to pull the

trigger on them to go get them.

Cause we got the exact same

problem in my neighborhood.

I go to turn.

The street before I turned

on in my house and people

are just in the parked in

the street for no,

and there's nobody in their driveway.

That's the part that, but that really,

like, there's nobody in the driveway.

Why are you parked in the street?

Like, I don't,

I can't wrap my head around

it and it drives me absolutely bananas.

Cause I don't do that.

I would never do that.

Yeah.

Before we did the lunch with,

on the round table,

I talked about how I had a

woodpecker last summer in fall.

I remember that.

And I would run out the door,

and I would yell at the

woodpecker to get going,

like throughout the day.

I would hear him.

Old man yells at bird.

I have a post out on my front porch,

and he would peck right through that post,

right?

Yeah.

All fall, I'm yelling at this thing.

And I literally had my BB gun loaded,

ready to take him out.

And then like winter came

and it kind of went away.

But what I didn't realize is

he got the whole way through.

So now I have squirrels living in my post,

taking their nuts and seeds

into the hole and down in.

And so I go out,

like take my dog out and I

hear the rustling inside my

post out on the front, on my front porch.

So now how do I get the

squirrels out before I plug that hole in?

Yeah.

I'm going to have dead

carcasses in my pole

smelling up the joint.

Well, I feel like if you go to,

you get ready to plug it,

they're going to get scared

and they're going to get out the hole.

They're not just going to

hide up in there.

They're going to get out.

Yeah.

No, in my life,

as I'm plugging it right

into like Clark Griswold me right,

right to the face.

I mean, possibly.

Oh,

you don't yell squirrel and wreck the

car.

You ought to be all right.

The plight of the suburban grumpy old man.

A hundred percent.

Old man yells at cloud.

The other thing that gets to me, man,

is because I have a dog and the dog,

like anytime somebody comes

to my front yard, he loses his mind.

So I have all these like

elementary school age kids that live

around me for some reason

when they get off the bus

at the end of the street

it's probably a hundred

yards away they mosey down

the street and they seem to

gather and um and convene

some kind of meeting right

in front of my house every

day after school and my dog

loses his mind and I'm just like

that's where I want to run up,

run out the door and say,

you kids get off my, you know,

actually get off my lawn.

Yes.

Truly.

That's fantastic.

And they're not doing anything.

That's the best part about it.

When you have kids,

you're more tolerant of all that, right?

You've lost all tolerance for that,

that stuff.

It is crazy.

Looking outside.

What are those kids doing?

Nevermind the fact that you guys didn't,

you always used to be doing

the same thing and they're

now grown and it's not there.

It's the only thing that's changed.

Well,

I think the other thing is that this

is my office now, right?

I work from home.

So like I finished my day at five Eastern,

the kids come home from school at three.

So I'm in the middle of my

work day and then I get

disrupted with this dog and everything.

So I think that adds to the

aggravation of it all,

but I'd probably still be

that grumpy guy anyway.

But,

I can't wait, dude.

I wish I had a good front

porch to sit on so that

when I did get old and was

retired at home,

I couldn't just yell at

people that happened by.

Get out of here.

Reed echoes what my wife

says every time we drive in

our neighborhood.

Why can't you park in your driveway?

It's what it's there for.

Right.

Going out of our neighborhood,

like the last little bend

before you go out,

People park on that bend.

It is a complete blind curve.

And you're just praying

nothing's coming the other

way at any rate of speed.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

Better yet, park in your bloody garage.

Amen.

James checking in from the West Coast.

Up early?

Not early now, but

I mean early enough and

still nine thirty four over

there yeah so one thing I

did want to do um today

that I I kind of omitted

yesterday is because we

were talking about carolyn

and jamie and winning their

open divisions and how

incredibly fit they are

And how privileged we are

that we get that

perspective from those two

ladies every Sunday night.

I am one of the luckiest

guys in the world to be

able to have those two as my co-hosts,

giving that perspective as

elite athletes.

But we also had some

audience members who have

become friends tremendously.

Two of them, especially,

that won the Open as well.

And one of them was Chris

Anderson in your division.

Yep.

He's become a great friend of the show.

I got to know him through the burgers.

Yep, he's fit, dude.

That dude's fit.

And Rudy took second in the open.

To J.R.

Howell, of all people,

I did not see that coming.

Well, Chris Anderson took first.

Yeah, but in Rudy's division.

Oh, in that two-and-five-three?

Rudy took second.

To J.R.

Howell.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

I didn't see that coming like that.

I mean, I know J.R.

's fit, obviously,

but I also like I have

worked out next to Rudy.

Like I know how fit that dude is.

And it is that is wild to me

that I didn't realize J.R.

was that fit.

yeah I've done documentaries

on rudy and they're both

still living out there on

youtube uh that guy is

amazing and as good of an

athlete as he is he's that

much better a person a

hundred percent the same

way I feel about chris

anderson um super fit dude

but like one of the nicest

guys you'll ever meet

And then the other person

from our crew that killed

it is Denise Moore.

Denise Moore, who's always in the chat,

ended up winning the sixty

five to sixty nine year old division.

Let's go.

So I want to shout out to

those two who are clear

friends of the show and so

happy for them.

It just.

swells up my pride and my

beans in my heart,

whatever those sayings are.

They're killing it like that.

The cockles,

warms the cockles of your heart.

I don't know exactly where that part is.

I knew the current Cajun guy

would know the euphemism.

Cockles of the heart, baby.

Cockles of the heart.

Shay says,

always look forward to the Sunday show.

Shay,

you're one of the best commenters in

our group.

Love getting your chats

every Monday morning after

the show and getting your input.

Thankful that you're there.

Tristan, dude, JR is fit fit.

Obviously.

Yeah.

Obviously.

Yeah.

I wish,

I think that's the hardest thing

with the masters is like to

do a deep dive into what all happened.

There's so many divisions,

so many divisions that you

have to get through to kind of see it.

And that my two co-hosts are

in that group.

Those are the names I look for first.

Yeah.

It's Jamie and Carolyn and then Rudy.

because those are my like

close close friends um and

then it's like denise and

then it's then it looks

through the rest like all

of my other friends that

I've met through this

process yeah that's when

I'm looking at the lead

award that's what I'm

looking for is people I've

competed against uh people

I've met met on instagram

that you know I I'm

friendly with or whatever I

kind of watch those people

because that's what that's people I know

know and that's the people I

would think or uh or not

think I would know her

roughly how fit they are

and have a good at least a

good grasp on it I would

say either competing

against them in person

online through qualifiers

that that type of deal uh

yeah that's the people

that's people I'm looking

forward to and then you

know the people I know jamie and

good lord, the vast amount of people.

I'm like, oh, hey, there's that guy.

Oh, hey,

there's that guy or that girl or

whoever it might be.

What Jamie and Carolyn did

is absolutely bonkers.

I don't even know a good way to put it.

It's bananas freaking crazy.

I would say some of the

stuff that Jamie's still doing at her age,

not that she's old by a

stretch of the imagination,

but that girl is fit, dude.

I don't think people

understand exactly how fit

she actually is, but it's a lot.

When you see that Caroline got a hat trick,

and she's up against the

likes of Andrea Nistler and

Caroline Klutz and Kristen Holta,

and that she pulled off

three straight wins.

Badass, dude.

Yeah.

That probably does not get

enough praise around the space.

That's an impressive, impressive stat.

And you got Colton one, one,

two is mighty impressive as well.

I thought,

so as far as Colton is concerned,

like after he won the second one,

I was like, okay,

he's been away in the open,

but I did not see him.

doing what he did on the

last one like I figured

he'd be in the top ten

somewhere you know I'm

saying I have a score safe

enough for him to win the

open but not that he was

going to do that like

that's that's another one

dude like that dude is he's sick with it

Uh,

so I have a couple of questions about

this.

I'm totally off what I had

planned on talking about today.

Um, but that's cool.

Okay.

So what is on the women's side?

First of all, Lucy Campbell,

we talked about her

comeback after water

Palooza because of what she

did there and then back

that up with a third place

finish in the open.

Like that is one cool story.

Yeah, good on her, man.

Good on her.

May not be able to ever lift

anything again to her

finishes at Waterpalooza

and now the Open.

Should be one of the top

stories that CrossFit is

pumping out there going into semis.

If they're not talking about it,

if they're not following

her around or putting something together,

whatever footage and

whatnot they have interviews,

they should be.

They're missing a huge

opportunity if they're not.

Yeah.

What an amazing comeback story.

I mean, I know the chills I got, like,

the year I followed Emily

after she had the arm

surgery at the games and getting, like,

talking to Dr. Rocket and

all that stuff of what entailed there.

Like,

Lucy's injury was maybe not as

life-threatening,

but it was way more career-threatening.

Right.

Yeah.

Your back is mostly your body.

Well, it's your wrist.

Like, and the surgery, she had to fix it.

She cut, they shortened her wrist.

They cut it off.

I was not aware of that.

Yeah.

I knew she was hurt.

I didn't realize it was to that extent.

And I got her conflated with,

what's her name?

That is still trying to get

back from the back.

Okay.

Yeah, that's insane.

Yeah.

And if you watch,

she did like the

Frankenstein cleans for a

while because her wrist was so bad.

But now she's able to do all the stuff.

So, yeah.

But the reason I pulled this

up is that my question to you is,

what is more impressive?

And I think you can argue either way.

Miriam Von Rohr going one, one,

twelve or one, one,

eleven or Fee going three, four, seven.

I think you can look at it

either way to be quite

honest with you um scroll

back over a little bit let

me see the times on the on

the n one so we got eleven

eleven minutes maram was

eleven sixteen okay so

you're talking about

sixteen seconds separating

what is that four places is that right

If it's me, granted,

nothing taken away from Miriam because,

I mean, two firsts and then an eleventh.

But the consistency that Fi

is putting up with a third, a fourth,

and a seventh, you know what I mean?

And most of these tests were motor tests.

Everybody seems to be in

agreement as far as that

because we didn't really

see anything super heavy.

Yes, there was more muscle-ups,

but these are elite of the

elite of the elite.

for me fee doing what she

did and still staying right

there in that same you know

because yeah okay you got

two first and you got an

eleventh if she was in and

she still won by how many

points by one point whereas

fee got third fourth

seventh all within that you

know three top tens

basically um one top three

for my money that's that's

probably edges it out a little bit

What Miriam did is, I mean, it's,

I won't say it's unheard of

because Colton did the same thing,

but it's until this year,

it was definitely unheard of.

I just think that's insane.

Yeah.

Right there.

The other thing I wanted to

say is if you look at the

winner of twenty five point three,

it was Olivia Kerstetter at ten eighteen.

She was rowing fifty

calories with the guys.

I heard Dallin and Hopper and Madera say,

if she actually got to do

the forty calories instead

of the fifty that most

women get to do in that workout,

she would have beat Dallin.

Oh,

I have no problem believing that

whatsoever.

That's insane.

I would like to know what her, like,

I like that if she's got it on video,

I would like to go see that

just to be able to see, like,

what she was pulling on the roller.

know what I'm saying one

thing we know about olivia

is she's never met a

barbell she didn't like

that is correct that is

correct she is super strong

like it's silly I would

like to see what she was

rolling and like if she if

she just got on and just

you know I'm saying just

stroke the entire way if

she had a plan you know

kind of roll the first five

calories and then kind of

you know get settled in and

then start picking up the pace

or just if she just blasted

it the entire time,

I would really like to be

able to go and do like a little,

not a deep dive,

but a dive on that just to

see what it was because

it's a shame or she doesn't

have a video up.

Um, but maybe she has a video somewhere.

Yeah.

Um,

A couple other things.

We have that tournament challenge,

NCAA tournament bracket.

The links are in the

description of this YouTube,

and they'll be in the

description of the audio as well.

And it's just for fun,

just to compete against each other.

I don't watch a ton of

college basketball anymore, but I thought,

what the hell?

It'll give me a reason to

watch a couple games over

the next couple weeks to

see where I'm at and see

how I compete against my friends.

and I have no doubt in that

fight either and then

whoever wins with the

highest score between the

two I will put together a

prize pack and get out to

them for winning that so

nothing to enter all free

free free just for fun for

us to kind of have some

bragging rights and

something to talk about

over the next few weeks and

yeah you might win a prize pack

subscribe sign up how you

like that three things

three things at once yeah

there you go uh the last

question I I wanted to ask

you uh and get your input

is are we in a new golden

age of crossfit yes I have

I I'm glad you actually

asked that because I was

thinking about this the

other day and I think it

happens in a lot of sports

Right.

Something gets real popular

for a little while.

And then something weird happens.

Doesn't necessarily like,

it's not necessarily that

somebody passes away, you know,

on the field or on the

court or whatever it is,

but something happens and

it takes the shine off of it.

Right.

And people start feeling

some sort of way about it and all,

it's not like it used to be and blah,

blah, blah, whatever.

And it sort of takes a dip

and then it starts building back up.

Right.

Tristan, we'll get to that in a second,

a new golden age.

Well, what I would say that that is,

is that,

did you know you were in a golden

age whenever we had rich and, uh,

Dan Bailey and Josh bridges

and all of those guys that

were such larger than life personalities.

You know what I'm saying?

Because you look at it back

at it now and you're like, man,

That was great times with

these people who were in this,

in the space and who were,

I won't say in your face,

cause that doesn't sound right,

but they were alive, if that makes sense.

And then for a while,

like once Matt kind of got

out of it and he was the

only one like that was really,

I won't say emotional,

but you could feel his

passion while he was on the floor.

But do you say that's fair?

You know what I'm saying?

Like when he comes across the line,

he was yelling deep on his

chest and stuff like that.

And Madero's run two years in a row.

And one, what, one event, is that right?

I think that's right.

And it got it kind of,

as far as the games

themselves are concerned,

it was kind of bland for a little while.

And then media was going downhill.

It wasn't any kind of like

the only content coming out

was from guys like you and Savan and,

you know, Pedro and whatnot.

And then that started

building things back up.

And then right now I would

say right now here in this moment,

The media team for the games is on fire.

They are pumping out excellent content,

like the little promo videos,

the open announcements

themselves were top notch

as far as I'm concerned.

They chose the right people.

They had them in the right places.

Everybody that you've heard

speak about who was at the

announcement said the

atmosphere was electric the entire time.

People fired up as far as

that's concerned.

They're pumping out regular content,

not games related as well.

Stuff about affiliates and a

couple of personal stories

and stuff like that, which again,

hadn't happened for years.

Right.

So yeah, I would say,

I don't know if we're necessarily in it,

but I feel like we're,

we're pushing back towards

that because now we got

like the Dallin and Jason and Justin and,

you know,

that are all Colton super competitive.

Colton Colton's amazing, dude.

Um,

super competitive poking at each other

the entire time talking shit, uh, Oh, and,

or, or backing it up.

Right.

I mean,

They're going head to head, toe to toe,

and there's not anybody

that you can see anyway

that's better than them in

the space right now.

So I'm glad you answered

that way because here's my counterpoint.

In the golden age we had before,

everybody mentions the Rich

and the Dan and the Josh

and the Matt Chan and all that stuff,

right?

Yeah.

But everybody forgets to

mention Annie and Camille

and Sam Briggs and Lindsay

Valenzuela and...

to Elena Fortunato and all

in that golden age of women

at the same time.

Yep.

I think the guys are

starting to get it in this

era by producing their own

media content and using

other third party media opportunities, uh,

to build, uh,

a storyline for them so I

think the guys are starting

to get it and that we're

moving into a new golden

era of men but I think that

the women are so private

and competitive with

everything they're doing

we're not seeing their

journey through the process

like the men are allowing us to see

Does that make sense?

A hundred percent.

Like Dallin and Jason and

them are not afraid to post

a score and say, Hey, this is what I did.

Come get it.

If you can.

Yeah.

Come get me.

Come get some.

Right.

And they're willing to do it

live on air to do that.

I think the other thing that

men have this time that

they didn't in the previous

golden era is they have a heel.

I think Hopper is becoming the heel.

And if you follow wrestling at all,

a good heel makes the

storyline ten times better.

Yeah, absolutely.

He is the person that no

matter what he says, people dog him,

people come after him.

And I think that makes that

storyline really, really, really,

really good.

Yeah.

You're right.

What he can say,

it doesn't matter what he says.

Like he could go out and be like,

the sky is blue and be like,

did you hear Jason Hopper

said the sky was blue?

Well,

and he's really good at when he like

does a dig, he does,

he can do it with a

straight face where the

other guys just laugh at

themselves or right.

And he will do it with a

straight face to like,

sell it more like a heel

wooden wrestling.

And Jeff, Jeffrey Birchfield said,

is a heel different than a villain?

Yes.

Think of it as the antagonist in a story.

He is that counter to the golden boy,

Dallin Pepper,

with the nice hair and the good values.

And you look at James Sprague,

very wholesome, young kid growing up.

And Jason,

while he has a lot of the same values,

his digs can cut deeper.

And it moves the storyline along.

I would almost say he plays their game,

that part, better than the others.

He's better at doing that kind of stuff.

He is probably the best one

at talking shit because he will do it,

like you said, with a straight face.

And it sounds like he believes it.

So take the instance during

kill Taylor Colton, you do this.

I'm telling everybody what your score was.

Yeah.

Like that cuts deeper than just like, Hey,

you're short and you can't row.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, like he's getting personal.

Like I'm going to reveal something.

You don't want me to reveal.

If you go ahead with this,

like he wanted that cash too.

Like the heel wanted it.

Yeah.

Like, I'm going to give it to the kids.

I'm going to donate the money.

And Jason's like,

you need to not do this so I get my cash.

The one that he won where he just,

he still had fifteen seconds left,

twenty seconds left,

whatever that one was,

and he just got off the

bike because he was like,

nobody's beating that.

Yeah.

It's a

Some people probably think

it comes off as arrogant.

He does the more eccentric

celebrations when he wins an event.

He has the showman aspect, the cocky,

arrogant, pound the chest.

I guess Josh Bridges might

have been the heel back in the day.

But you can be a likable heel.

Yeah, everybody loves Josh Bridges.

Right.

It doesn't mean that people

hate you or that you're bad.

You're just the antagonist

that moves the story forward.

Josh Bridges was this little

guy that had no business

beating Rich Froning in anything,

yet he could.

Yeah.

And when he did, he let you know he did.

Well, when he won Murph,

he called his shot before

he got out on the field.

Like, I'm winning this.

Like, y'all can do whatever y'all want.

I'm winning this.

And he was ahead by a lot, a lot.

Like,

when he took off from his last set of

air squats and he took out,

he was out the stadium, I think,

before he went to second

place when he even got off the field.

Came back in and watching a

Josh Bridges celebration is

almost like it's a

religious experience at this point,

right?

I mean, you could feel it through him.

And I think, yeah,

same type thing is going on

with old Jason there.

I agree with Tristan,

who is arguing with Kenneth

at this point.

Rich was never the heel.

He was so beloved by everybody.

You couldn't even make him

the heel if you wanted to.

No.

And then he would just come

out on Sunday and just win

everything just because he was like, oh,

it's time for me to win everything.

And people still were like, oh,

look at him.

He's just out there winning.

Yeah.

Like Jason's the heel in a

way where the other two are

talking about how rich is the goat.

And he's like, the hell he is.

Matt's the goat.

Like he's going to be the

counter to whatever the others say.

No matter if it's right or wrong.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh.

But Stone Cold did.

He was the antagonist a lot.

So I remember watching Stone

Cold drive into the stadium in his truck,

get out with a six-pack of tall boys,

stand on the roof of the

truck because somebody was

in the ring talking about him,

and he just sat there

drinking a beer looking at him.

Yeah.

Like,

that's the kind of behavior we're

talking about.

Like, that's the kind of,

if Jason Hopper drank,

he would probably do some shit like that.

Like, oh, all right, we just talking shit?

Okay, cool.

Uh,

train to lift says Matt was more of a

heel than rich.

Matt was an awesome heel career.

Go back and watch the behind

the scenes of and when Matt took second,

he was every bit the heel.

He wanted all that smoke.

When they asked him in one

of the behind the scenes,

when they asked him if it

was worth it and he said, turn, I said,

did I win?

Oh, okay.

So I guess not.

Hopper's heel era started

after he won the handstand

walk at syndicate,

then did the cigarette celebration.

Yes.

That's exactly what was in

my head when I was thinking Hopper,

the heel,

those types of celebrations are

just different.

A hundred percent.

I'm here for it too, dude.

Like me, like,

Yeah.

We're seeing it for years.

We need somebody like that.

Yeah.

Charlie and I have argued

that on the round table

since this podcast has been

around that the sport needed a heel.

Absolutely.

And we thought Ricky was it.

And then he popped.

Then, you know,

like we thought there were

candidates and none of them have held up.

Hopper's got the fitness

behind him to be good

enough to be the heel.

I don't know if

Talking about Ricky,

I don't know if he never

would have popped if he had

got to that status.

Does that make sense?

I think the only reason

people started thinking

that was because he popped

and because he was still

doing the open workouts and

screwing up the camera,

beat that and whatnot.

I was at that game.

He was cocky.

He was brash.

He was letting everybody

know at that game's.

Okay, I did not know that.

He was becoming the heel

during that games.

That is different.

I had a front row seat to that.

I hated him by Sunday.

And that was before he ever

popped and did any of the other stuff.

Yeah, because nobody knew for...

Now, I would say the comeback,

he had to fix that image to

be accepted back into the community.

And he's done an amazing job of that.

But the young Ricky in two

thousand seventeen, every bit the heel.

Yeah.

No, because everybody loves that dude now.

Yeah.

Everybody.

I was one of those ones when

he when his band first came up as being,

you know.

or was first,

he was going to be able to compete again.

I was one of the people that was like,

okay, whatever.

I'm a steroid boy, whatever.

But kudos to him.

He turned it around

completely because now everybody's like,

yay, Ricky Mack.

Love that guy.

And that was not a thing beforehand.

I think Kenneth makes a good point.

Roman would have been the ultimate heel.

I think he could have been.

The problem is he got

delayed so long in actually

getting to compete over

here that by the time he did,

he was at that age where

injury started to take over

and other things.

He would have been good

because he would have had

the fitness to back it up.

And what's happened now is I think...

And I kind of hope I'm wrong.

I think that he has been

hurt so much that his

fitness has decreased.

He just can't train like he

could back before he got

admitted into the U.S.

I am curious to see what

he's going to do for

semifinals at this point.

Like just judging off of

what I've seen from him from the open.

see you know what I'm saying

like I think you're correct

I'm curious to see how much

he's either falling off or

if we're just not peaking

right now if you remember

he was competitive last

year's semifinals it was

him hopper and pepper and

adler in the in the east um

and that was a very

competitive matchup with

those four it's the games

he just he broke down yeah

which was a weird games

anyway and it's hard to put

much on it but

yeah that's why I don't and

not to take anything away

from from spray being the

champ but like every time

somebody says something

about how somebody

performed last year okay

yeah but it was also very

weird games games to begin

like probably the strangest

one that's ever taken place

um so as far as that goes

well I'm already late back

from my lunch hour so

The rest of you hooligans

get back to work.

We're done here.

We will see you tomorrow on

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Lunch with the Clydesdale.

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