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Hey, welcome back to the stand outdoors, the show where faith and the great outdoors come together. I'm Dave Baker, along with the founder of the stand outdoors, the Reverend Wright, Mike Hayes, yes, and today we're talking about more Turkey tips for you and your loved ones as you go out, because we are in Turkey season. It is getting warm out. We've had a couple of warm days here in Pennsylvania. It's supposed to cool off next week, but turkey season is right around the corner. You want to get your stuff together. It's kind of the first kind of hunt of the year, right? Mike, we're kind of getting back into it after the fall, and after all the things first of the year that they kind of end, and you're like, you got a break. And now we're all all pumped up.
Speaker 2 1:12
I know it seems so far away right after, you know, archery sees late. Archery was over, yeah, and now
Speaker 1 1:19
we're getting pumped. We haven't done anything. It's time to be in the woods. Things are sprouting
Speaker 2 1:24
and you know, next, not this Saturday, but next Saturday, the 25th we're going to be doing it's the Youth Day, so I'm getting my grandson out there. I got this big old gobbler out in the backyard, and he looks good. So we'll see if we can get out there before the other
Speaker 1 1:40
guys and get them. I know we talked about Turkeys before. We want to give you a few more tips as you as you get ready to go out and see if you can hunt down the hardest bird in North America
Speaker 2 1:53
to kill. That's right, yeah, you know, we did. We did a couple on calling and some method and means, you know, we did that. But there was, you know, you only have so much time, and I just felt like I wanted to spend a little more time going through some more methods that I think they've been so helpful for me. I was so fortunate to have my father in law, who was an avid hunter, because I didn't know anything about it. You know, I moved up from Florida, and you're a Florida boy, I could teach him how to fish, which next week we're going to be talking about that do it a little, especially the bass, Florida bass fishing. Oh, I love that, man. I live for that. But anyway, he this was all new to me, but it was so great to have him as my mentor and and he taught me a lot of stuff here and so, and I'm not the best turkey hunter by far, you know, but I've had some good success. And some of these little things really work, and and I've seen them work. I mean, these are tricky birds. And so anyway, let's jump right into it.
Speaker 1 2:55
You ready? I'm ready. Hey, I will tell you starting right off. I saw a clip of somebody the other day on the Outdoor Channel, one of them that we're talking about that they have more success killing turkeys that are less local to their region than the ones that are more local to their regions. They found that Turkeys that kind of stayed in their area of the woods and never really wandered. Were harder turkeys to kill than the ones that are coming, I'm just going to say four or five ridges over. Oh, really, those turkeys never heard that, that are hearing a call from you, that are further away, farther away from the range that you're hunting, those turkeys and their willingness to come to you are the percentage of kill went sky high. Then the local birds that you sit down and you start calling, and they're right over the ridge. They're right there, right there. There are tougher birds to get because those birds know their their territory, they know their females, they know their hands, yeah, they know where they are, like the little village. Yeah. Know everybody. But you get these one out, one out birds that are looking for love in all the wrong places got to be in love, they're in love, and they're looking and they're five. I'm just talking mountain, honey, four or five ridges or maybe three or four fields over, right? And they hear your call, yeah?
Speaker 2 4:32
We're trying to get them to do something that is totally against their DNA, because they do not come to the hens. The hens go to them, and so it is a little tricky, and that's why it's very frustrating, too, and it will test your ability to stay calm. And I had to get too upset.
Speaker 1 4:54
But I had never heard this whole local bird thing.
Speaker 2 4:58
I never heard that either. I had. You know, interesting the people that are foreigners,
Speaker 1 5:04
I don't know, but it seems to, it seems to play out in my mind as I think about birds we've called in the past in the mountains of West by God, Virginia, and we have brought them in, you know, three or four ridges over, because we kind of hunt that way. There we set up, and we try to call these birds that are coming from pretty far away, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 5:27
Well, anything that help you, man, that's what we're here for. And because they are tricky bird, but they're, you know, if it was easy, you know, we'd be bored with it. You got to kind of allow the frustrations to get you challenged and get you want, get you up at three o'clock in the morning, because that's one thing about spring gobbler. You got to get up early, man and and it's funny, because when I take my my grandson, he is so excited about getting up that early, because he never has to be walking out in the dark and watching the sun come up, he does. He's all about it. He never does that, you know. All right, let's go through some tips here. Let's start off with one thing that I think is real important is that you know your terrain, all right, like, you know topical mat, whatever you can use. Because one thing I've noticed about Turkey is they don't like to come downhill to you, or if you're in like, a real thick area, you know, down in a creek area, or whatever, they won't come downhill. It's the weirdest thing. And they won't cross certain things, like a creek. So you don't want to try to call them to cross a creek. You don't want to, if there's a fence in the way, they won't go over the fence. That's hard to do. I'm not saying they won't ever, but it just makes, I mean, we don't need it any harder. So you try to set yourself up where there's no blockades, there's no barriers that you have to bring them through, because just gonna make it even harder. And I would
Speaker 1 7:03
say to Mike, hunting in West Virginia, and we're in the mountain hunting, we I try to put in my memory bank when I see turkeys and when I don't see turkeys throughout
Unknown Speaker 7:15
the non season, the Scouting
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is so important, yeah, you kind of know during during deer season, I know where they're roosting, right? And they're probably going to roost there again, because they're roosting there all the
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time, especially the bigger toms, they will bigger towards more on a routine kind of like us old guys, you know that's right.
Speaker 1 7:35
And so that you're right, knowing your terrain when you go and you know you hunt an area regularly, it's going to really help you. Now, if you don't know that, then doing some scouting
Speaker 2 7:44
early on might be, yeah, we covered scouting, and the last one we did, and that's why I didn't want to spend too much time. But that is so important that goes That's the first thing you got to do. You got to get out there, and you got to scout and see, see where they are, see how they're traveling, see where they're feeding all of that kind of stuff. Roads. Another thing you don't want to try to call them over roads, you know. And so what? What are you looking like? What are you looking to? How you going to set up? What my father in law taught me, and he and it worked like a charm, because we used to do it a lot was to set up on like a level ground, but then be close to where it drops off a little bit, you know, enough work to cover the whole body of the turkey, like a little knob or or maybe it goes down to a logging road or whatever. And that way, if you can do that, that that bird will not see you or have time to, you know, see you because he's below that knob, until he and you get about 4050, yards away from that knob, so that when he comes over the top of that, you know, all you got to do is see the beard and the head. You know. Now we're filming, so we got to wait longer, you know, but, but he used to, he wouldn't wait if he sees that beard, and he sees it's a good you know, Tom, that's all he needs to see. And he's now they're in range, and remember, and they haven't even found him yet, because they haven't had time to be looking all over the place, right? So instead of that whole time, Ben possible, you know, one little false move and he'll pick it up, you know, and never come in. So I thought that that was always good to try to find that little, you know, try to be set yourself up. Logging roads are really good for that trails, because they turkeys like to do they like to walk where they can see a lot around them. And so logging roads are great. You know, if you can get set up where you hear the gobble, and then you set up maybe 4050, yards out, you know, that's usually where I want to shoot. I don't want to shoot any more than 50 yards. Don't think that that's taking a chance. So you set yourself up, maybe around a bend of a road where you know, you know they're going to come down that road, but let me get like, 40 yards away from that where they'll just come into sight, and again, you know they'll they won't see you, and they won't have time to see it before you're ready to are you?
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Do you prefer to shoot shotgun or rifle at Turkey? For Turkey, well,
Speaker 2 10:25
you can't, you in spring of Pennsylvania, you can only use a shotgun. And the spring and in the fall, which down here, you know, we're in the southeast part, they don't even let you hunt in the fall here, but up northern in different parts of Pennsylvania, you can, you can use 22 to 5223 Yeah, you can use a gun. You can actually shoot a hen. Also you can in the fall.
Speaker 1 10:46
That makes a difference in your setup. It makes a difference where you're going, depending on what kind of that.
Speaker 2 10:50
I'm glad you clear that up, because we are talking spring gobbler,
Unknown Speaker 10:54
talking shotgun shot.
Speaker 2 10:55
Yeah, shotgun is it in Pennsylvania and and now, you know, we talked about this on the method and means, you know, segment, but we, but it was, you know, you we've been finding out. Now the ammunition is what you need to know about, because these TSS, you know, shells, they're made out of tungsten steel, and they penetrate far more and you can shoot them a lot further out. And even with a 410 which my grandson would be using, I might even use because it's so cool. I mean, I saw David Blanton shoot one at 50 yards. You know, it was unbelievable.
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I can't the pattern on him is
Speaker 2 11:34
just incredible. It is with the number nine shot, like we talked about reaching out and touch. I'm trying not to repeat too much, because I wanted to bring out some other things. But, but, yeah, but that. I'm glad you cleared that up, because we're not talking about the fall. That's a whole different way to hunt. And I'm glad you said that, because this is spring gobbler. We're talking about where you're trying to get that gobbler to come to you a hen, which is totally against their DNA, and because they're always, you know, making sure the hen is coming to them. So it is. It's a tough thing to pull off. All right, all right. So you're getting out there. May, you know, we try to roost them at night. We talked about that in the last segment. But what I what I want to talk about now is when you're running a gun and you're just trying to find you trying to locate them. And this is where you'll get into, I think works really well, shock, gobble, try to get them to to react to a loud noise. Usually a crow call real loud, you know, or you do an owl, you know, real loud. And and you're just trying to locate them. How quickly
Speaker 1 12:41
do you move once you get that gobble back, when you put out the shock gobble and they return? Let's say it's for practice purposes. You're on, you're in the mountains, the two or three ridges over, how quickly do you move and how far do you move? All right, that's that's
Speaker 2 12:55
a good question. And the biggest thing I don't want you to do is when you hear that gobble, what a lot of guys want to do when they hear that gobble with a crow call or something like that, then they want to do a Yelp and try to get them to do it again. You don't want to do that because they won't they. The only reason they're gobbling is because you scared them a little bit right with that shock gobble, that shock sound, but they won't move. Now, if you do a hen, they can start moving right at you, and you're not set up. You're not ready. You don't want to do that. So what you do is, once you hear, once you locate them, you know, by using the crow call or the alcohol whatever, then then you go to, you know the direction they're going to be coming from. You go set up. You make sure that you set up just like we were talking about, where you can maybe they'll come up over a knoll, or maybe you're on a logging road or a trail, but
Unknown Speaker 13:50
you have to be careful when you start moving around the woods right.
Unknown Speaker 13:52
It depends on how far they are. And if
Speaker 1 13:55
you're on a logging road and you can quietly move, yeah, where they can't see you, that's one thing, but to just get up and start walking right? My dad was always saying, sit down, stop walking around. This is when
Speaker 2 14:07
you're running and gunning and you they're not, you know, you've already tried your maybe a hunt in the morning where you thought they were. There we go. You know, now you're trying to find them, trying to locate them, even sometimes when you walk, you know, maybe to the edge of the woods where you're going to go in and you just start in the morning. You don't know there was no you didn't do any good the night before. So then you throw out a shock gobble to try to, you know it's early, it's just barely becoming light, try to shock them and get them to gobble, but they won't move. Then you want to set up before you do any other calling. You don't call with hen calls until you're set up, and now you can ready to attract now you know that if they come in, you're not, you know, you in a place where you can, you can a lot,
Speaker 1 14:51
a lot of the old timers that I grew up with they, I would say 90% of them, put the put the birds to bed the previous night. That's how, that's how they increase. Least their success rate. Oh yeah, was to put the birds to bed. If you can do that, if you can do that, losses. Yeah, you're, you're, you're a lot better off. But it's very hard to do very hard, very hard. Can do it if you, if you can figure out, especially if you know the area that helps
Speaker 2 15:17
you right. Now, second thing I want to go over is, now, you know, you got them located, and you got to go, go set up. I want to talk about the we didn't talk about it too much. Is the decoy setup. What is the best thing? We talked a little bit about it last time, because I learned the hard way that you can't it's not good to have, like, two or three Jakes out there, and three, you know, I wanted to put, I want a whole flock of decoys out there when I first started, you know, but you can't see our ducks. Yeah, I know it's like duck. I was thinking, hey, this, they do this with duck running, maybe. But you know, what I found out is, you know, you know, you do see, sometimes you'll see three or four gobblers together. I mean, Tom's, you know, and, and that's good, but usually Pennsylvania, I mean, where we hunt, I don't have that kind of blessing, you know, if we see one or two maybe, and if they see a bunch of Jake's, they're not going to come in. So, okay, a couple of things I want to go over. First of all, I think the best setup is to have a feeding hen, all right, with the head down, you know, decoy. And usually I think it's a good idea to have that hen facing you directly, you know, out there, whatever you want to put it, put her, you know, 20 yards or whatever. And then the reason I say that is because the the, you know, the turkey, the Tom, they're going to want to go, they always want to go out in front of the of the hen to show off and strut and do that. So they're going to circle around in between you and where that bird is facing. Now, you got this perfect, you know, 2030 yard shot, and they're looking. They're all looking. That's what I love about decoys. They're not looking at me like I used to hunt a lot without decoys, because I thought they would scare them away. But I've learned that they, you know, they can sometimes, you know, you get a real wise bird, you know, they, you know, they'll be scared away, but most times, they won't be, and it'll draw their attention. They're looking at those decoys, and they're not looking at you, which is good. Now, I always do a Jake, only one, one Jake. And sometimes I've even used that thunder chicken. It's like half of a Jake, you know, just the chest and the tail. It's really worked great for me. I mean, I, when I first saw it, I went, Are they kidding me, right? You know it. But these are, they're pretty dumb animals in a lot of ways. But once they see that Jake tail with the, you know, the the feathers going high up in the middle, you know, the tail feathers and, and this short beard, you know, just kind of sticking straight out, you know, they know that's a Jake, and they can see all that. And I think they see colors. From what, everything I've read, seems like they see color. So they can see the red head and all this kind of stuff, and, and, but, but he should be placed, maybe, oh, I don't know, not far from the hen. Like I usually put them within a couple of feet apart, right? And so you got the hen right in front of you, right directly in front of you, where, you know, facing you, and then maybe to the side, either side, it doesn't really matter, a good couple feet, that's where you put the semi strutting, you know, Jake and and the reason that's good is he's getting ready. He looks like he's getting ready to breed her. And if a Tom sees that from a distance, he's going to get upset about that, because he's in breeding range, you know, right? So he's going to become running in and so that's, that's a great setup, you know? That's worked well for me over the over the years. The next thing I want to go over is
Speaker 2 19:12
when a tom is henned up, okay? And that's different than when he's hung up, and we'll talk about that in a minute. But when he's henned up, you know, that means, you know, he flew down off the roost, whatever. And you know, you try to get as close as you can to that if you know where that roost is, because they hen up pretty quick. And that's what they do. They're coming down, you know, they start calling from the tree a little bit, and then they come down, and they're looking right away to gather their little harem together, you know. But if they're with hens, it's going to be very hard to call them off the hands, you know. If you can't, if you find that he's constantly you sometimes you can even see them, you know. And and they're just, they'll, they'll answer you, you know, they'll gobble when, when you throw out a hen call of some sort. But. Are not coming. They're just staying with their hen. There's no reason for them to come. One thing that I remember reading about somewhere, I can't remember even where it was but, but it seemed to to work a couple of times. It's not always easy to pick up, but if you can tell, like, if there's a hen that's doing all the calling, like the hens will call too, right? They'll be yelping. You start mimicking the hen. So you're no longer now calling the gobbler.
Unknown Speaker 20:30
You're just being an attractant.
Speaker 2 20:31
What I'm going to try to do is I'm going to try to attract that lead hen
Unknown Speaker 20:36
and bring her to me. Oh, you're trying
Speaker 2 20:38
to track that. I'm trying to that, that you start competing with that lead hen like every time that she does a Yelp, you do a yell. I got you every time she cackles, you do a cat every time she does a putt, or, you know, anything. Does that work? It's done. It seems to work a couple times for me. You know, you know, you don't know what these birds are doing. But this, I remember reading it somewhere and and it made sense that if I matter of fact, it worked in my backyard, if you if you watch the episode backyard gobbler, you will see I called in the hen before, you know, the gobbler came in. I didn't have a whole lot of time then, because I had actually seen him, and I ran around, but, but it was the hen that I called in, and guess who was following the lead hen? It was this big gobbler strutting the whole way. So, yeah, that a lot of times the hen will come in first and the gobbler just follows her in. So that that's a neat thing to try, if you're if you know that bird's hen up and they're not coming, try to mimic the lead, you know, the lead hen, and get her mad at you, and she's going to come out and investigate, you know, all right, now, if the gobbler is hung up, that's different than hen up that means. And you we've all been here, yeah, many, many
Unknown Speaker 21:58
times I've gotten and they know, and they
Speaker 2 22:01
know how far our BBs will travel. How do they figure that I have
Unknown Speaker 22:04
left the woods when they just shut up? I'm like, I'm done.
Speaker 2 22:09
Yeah, they can get hung up, 6070, yards, and they just go back and forth, back and forth. But they're not coming forward. They're not committing to the decoys, to whatever. They're wondering why this bird, this hen, is not coming
Unknown Speaker 22:23
to them. We're not convinced.
Speaker 2 22:25
And, and, and they don't understand that, because the way in their DNA, God created them, you know, that hen supposed to come to her? I you know? Yeah. So what can you do? He's henned up, he's not moving. Well, there's a couple things that you can do. One is you can try to fake the gobbler out by making him think like, especially if he can't see the decoys yet, make him think that you're moving away as a hen. So you do the you kind of move. I move I move it. Turn aside. I turn the other direction. I do real soft yelps, you know, if I'm all alone, this is what do, real soft yelps like that. If you have another guy with you, the drop down method is, I would just start out that way, really. But if you haven't started out that way, maybe he's working the camera or something, you know, have him drop back, you know, another 10 yards or so, and do some soft calling back there for you. And that hen will, I mean, that goblet will think you're going away, and he'll go, wait, wait, wait, wait, and he might bring him in another 1015, yards, which is all you need, and you got them. So that's the best way and, and if you're alone, if, usually, if you, if you're alone, you just do the the silent, the real quiet calls. I wouldn't try moving too much All right. Now the, the last one I wanted to talk about is, is I it's funny, because I've been doing this so long, and you always you think the morning is the best time to get one because that's when they're gobbling more and all this kind of stuff and but I was going over all the turkey that I've killed over the years just trying to think about, when did I kill them? Believe it or not. It was after 10 o'clock, most of the turkey that I've gotten, wow. Which is, you know, you think, Oh, the first it's better. I would say, I think the reason is, is because once those turkeys get hemmed up, you know, as gobblers, they don't, it's tough to they're satisfied. It's very they're, they're going to be doing their thing, or they're, they're where they want to be, and you're not going to take them anywhere else. And so but what happens around 10 o'clock, the hens go to their nests. They're not available anymore, and the and the gobblers are alone. It. And now in Pennsylvania, the first two weeks, you got to be done by 12. The next two weeks, in May, you can hunt all day. So I'm just saying don't be so quick to get out of the woods at 10 o'clock,
Unknown Speaker 25:15
because it can be frustrating. I've been there.
Speaker 2 25:17
Oh yeah, done. And you just want to say I'm done, but some of your best hunting time can be between 10 and 12 o'clock, because the birds are going to the nest even after 12 and you I mean, I've literally gotten most of my turkey between 10 and 12. It's the craziest thing, because now you know, once they shut up in the morning, they're with their hens. You know, they'll gobble right the first thing to their track, but then they'll shut up.
Unknown Speaker 25:44
So patience is the key. You're saying.
Speaker 2 25:46
Well, I'm saying, don't give up. Just maybe take a break. Go get some breakfast, come back at 10 o'clock, get out in the woods. Start running and gun and finding where they are. Locate them with them shot gobbles, but they'll start gobbling again because they're alone now, and I think that's why I've had so much success in the afternoon, like between 10 and one, or whatever, you know, two weeks, you got to quit at 12. But I hope those are some tips, I mean, that we didn't have time to bring up much about them before, so I wanted to get them out and do another show with them, because this is definitely a frustrating sport that can get you angry, and a matter of fact that's going to what we're going to talk about in our spiritual lesson for today is about anger and how we can control it, and how we should look at it.
Speaker 1 26:42
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Speaker 2 27:05
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Speaker 1 27:57
And it's all found at the stand outdoors.com, check it out. There is nothing more frustrating as a hunter that can get you angry in the woods, as you're not saying anything, not hearing anything. You forgot your ammo, forgot your caller, you're dropping things, you're losing things, you can't find a great spot to sit, and it just starts to boil and you get angry. Today, we're going to talk about how to kind of tamper that anger down, not only in hunting, but Mike in life itself, because there's a lot of situations that we're involved in in a daily basis, especially with our families, of all places where it can bring out the most anger in us. Oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2 28:46
yeah, yeah. The Lord just brought it to my mind about just, you know, you can get so frustrated out there in the woods and get angry about things and, and just wanted to talk about that a little bit. What does the Scripture say about anger and and just know God's perspective on it. And then how, you know, how should we deal with it? And so I got a couple verses here in Proverbs, 1429, it says, Whoever is patient has a great understanding, but one who is quick tempered displays folly. But I like that when it talked about great understanding that to a person that is patient, and that's also very important in Turkey on Yes, to have a lot of patience. The next one is Proverbs 1518, which says, a hot tempered person stirs up conflict, but the one who is patient calms a quarrel, quarrel so you can see the it's just showing you that it's not doing you any good to have this anger, and it does you so much good to have this incredible patience. Now the next one, James, look, if you look at James. Times one, let's see 19 and 20, that that we should be swift to hear, slow to slow to speak, and then slow to anger. And that that passage just you know, when I remember when I first learned this passage, I was just, you know, newly married and Dottie and I were going through the normal stuff you go through as newly weds seeing, you know, who's going to be winning these arguments? You know, we're having our little fights, right? And I read that verse, and I read it in King James, and it says, quick to hear, you know, quick, you know, quick to hear, you know, so many times I caught myself. I was trying to think about what else I could say, about whatever topic it was, and I didn't even hear what she had to say. And it was horrible. And it's so easy to get into that kind of, you know, feeling, where you just I got to come up with a good answer to reload, yeah, trying to reload. That's a good way to put it, yeah, just and so I really began to listen, and then slow to speak. I was just going to take my time and wait and hear what she had to say, and almost even try to put yourself in their situation. How are they perceiving this idea, you know? And but you really got to listen, you know. And then that slow to speak is that'll give you time to listen. And then it was so true as I began to apply this through the power of the Spirit. Of course, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even think about it if I didn't have the spirit in me, right? I began to realize that it's true. I didn't get that angry, which was really cool. You'll get angry when you're just thinking about your side and what you're going to say next, anger will come up. It's amazing. What did you find? You find anything out like that when you're well,
Speaker 1 32:05
I will tell you this. There are people who are born that either their father, their mother, they have a temp where they said, Oh, they have a temper. I think the challenge for those folks is higher than if you're not kind of born with a temper. Some people are just have that it comes with their nature, and the battle to not get angry is much more difficult, and the principles of the Word are harder to apply than some of us who are not born with that. We've had to learn, obviously, how to handle it. I think the other thing is, there's two different sides to anger. There's the one where you're receiving it, right? And there's the one where you're giving it, and I've heard that the one that's receiving it. I've heard some tips where people will say, I start talking softer, right? I start saying less words.
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I'm so glad you said that. This brings me to the next verse. Look at Proverbs. 15. You're gonna love this one and love how how crazy I was when I learned this. It says A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. This is what you're saying. But when I read that, when I first read it, it said a soft word turns away wrath. And so I think when I read that, I remember we got another argument, you know, and I started talking real soft, and, but I was saying, but you're wrong, but you're you don't have that, you know, right perception. And then she would get all mad, and I go, I was talking soft. You're not supposed to be getting mad and but that's not what the verse says. It doesn't say soft talking soft will turn away wrath. It says soft words. Now, what are soft words? Soft words are sorry. I was wrong. Let me, let me hear you out. You know, sometimes soft words are just listening, but they're soft words just saying, I love you. I want to work this out. I'm sorry I was wrong. These are soft words. It doesn't say soft sounding words. So I learned that the hard way, but soft words will turn away. Rather, it's amazing, even in my like working with like strangers. I remember I had a guy I was at a gas station one time and and I'm looking at something beyond this guy next to me, who was pumping gas too. He thought I was staring at him, and I didn't I didn't even think about it, because I was looking past him, you know. And he was, you know, just a tough looking guy, right? And all of a sudden he goes, What are you looking at? And he's all mad, you know, what are you doing? And he just, and he gets up in my face, it was weird, and he goes, what do you what do you. Doing, man, you just staring. And I said, Oh, listen, I gave him soft words. It was amazing, I said. I said, Oh, man, listen, I'm sorry, you know, I was looking at that building over there or whatever, and it probably looked like I was looking at you, but I apologize for that, you know. And listen, and he started getting really I said, Listen, I'm a Christian. I'm a follower of Christ, and I just, I want to create peace, you know. So I apologize for that, you know. And you know what he said? He said his whole face changed. I watched his face change, and he just softened right up. He's, oh, don't worry about it, man, don't worry about here's, here's another story about that. This is a powerful, powerful verse, soft words, turns away wrath. Me and a guy, and this is a funny story too. This guy, we pull somehow we pulled in. We're pulling into an apartment complex. And the guy we must my driver, my friend Kenny, he must have cut him off a little bit or something. Well, these two guys were drunk in this car, dangerous, right? They back up, you know, we get out of our car. We're walking up, and he backs his car back, screeches wheels. He goes, you pretty much, you know, cut me off back there, would you and the guy? And they're drunk, oh my goodness. And the guy jumps out of the car, and on the passenger side, runs around, and Kenny's freaking out. He's going, what's going on? I'm right there talking to the driver, and I said, I said it wasn't really that good. He goes, I'm going to beat you up. But he didn't say, beat you up. You know what he said? And and I said, buddy, you can hardly talk much less beating anybody up. Now, those weren't soft words. Those are fighting words. Yeah. And then, and he all pretty good at both. And and then I said, Wait a minute, guys. Wait a minute. Listen. I said, we are followers of Christ. We don't want if we cut you off, we totally apologize. You know, we were really sorry, and hope you'll accept our apology something like that, right? But I said we're that's where I said we're Christians with the guy that ran out of the car and was behind Kenny. Kenny's going, Oh no, we're gonna get in a fight. Mike, you never should have said that, right? The guy reaches over Kenny's shoulder, wants to shake my hand. He said, I'm a Christian too. He literally said Christian. He was so drunk, so drunk. And I shook his hand, and we just talked for a little while, you know. And it was amazing how these soft words, you know, and the guy, and it was so funny. We're walking up to his apartment. We're going the Christians. They must be a clan where they allow a lot of drinking or something, the Christian clan. And we joked about that every year after that. But yeah, soft words turns away wrath. Well, let's,
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oh yeah, here's one. Ephesians, 426, be angry and sin not don't let the sun go down on your wrath. What do you think about that day when you hear that? What comes to
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your mind? That's a hard one. That's the one where you're bickering with your wife and you don't resolve it before it lights out, right? That's the one that you got to really work. And it's a difficult one, because I like to dig in and say, I'm right. I don't want to apologize, right?
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But be angry and sin not. That's kind of weird, it is. How can we be angry and not sin? Well, I
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think you can get angry, but then you need to get over it. And I think that's where it's at, yeah, it's the resolving of it. That's the issue, not the anger itself, maybe, yeah, but that's good. That's a tough one, and it's it's hard to do, and I will tell you apologizing, wins the day, whether you're right or not right, and wins the day
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and before the sun goes down. Now, I know there is some times when I think God wants us to resolve these things, and I think he's making a point here that they need to be resolved quickly, that you don't want to let them fester, you know, for days and days and days that would be hard.
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Reconciliation is more important about is more important than who's to blame and how it was said. Right? It's not always good to say the things we say in the way we say them, right, but reconciliation at the end of the day wins the day, right? Because that's where you're that's the ultimate resolve to what the issue is. Right is to forgive
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and move forward. And don't you find, though, that sometimes you need to separate for
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a little while? No question, yeah,
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you need a minute. And sometimes it may be more than a day, and I don't think we should read this as one day, you know, like, but yet, I think it's a good
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thing to shoot for that I'm the same way. I believe the same way. I've gone day or two, yeah, and we've gotten past it. And then you start realizing just how silly most of the arguments are amazing. They're just kind of silly it is. And then you go, okay,
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you know? And I want to to bring up the idea of anger. Or that is not sin, because the Bible talks about it that Jesus, when he went into the temple, he was angry, and he threw those tables over and, you know, and a lot of people call this righteous indignation, or whatever, you know that we could be angry at sin and angry at different things, you know that, and it makes us do something about it, you know, and make sure you're being led. But I, you know, very I don't think that's good. If that happens in your life, it'd be a miracle, and it'll be the Holy Spirit for sure. You know, it definitely happened in Jesus's life, but we know there can be an anger that that is righteous, and that when it's dealing with God's truth and and and like Jesus did, there's a time when you got to get their attention, you know, or whatever. So as long as it's used for that purpose, you know, and you're led by the Spirit, but, but I think the biggest thing is the resolution. Like you said, so beautiful.
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