The Fourth Way

Dr. Keown talks about his book, "Jesus in a World of Colliding Empires." We discuss government, violence, discipleship, and submission. Check out the show notes for resources and timestamps.

0:00 - My Intro
6:00 - Dr. Keown's Intro
8:00 - Discipleship and Individualism
12:25 - Why does the gospel seem difficult to share when there aren't consequences?
17:10 - Do government and religion always marry?
23:50 - Is government antithetical to the Kingdom?
32:45 - Government and violence go together
42:50 - How does submission under evil empire work?
57:45 - Revelation, empire, and submission
1:05:00 - Egalitarianism and submission

Show Notes

0:00 - My Intro
6:00 - Dr. Keown's Intro
8:00 - Discipleship and Individualism
12:25 - Why does the gospel seem difficult to share when there aren't consequences?
17:10 - Do government and religion always marry?
23:50 - Is government antithetical to the Kingdom?
32:45 - Government and violence go together
42:50 - How does submission under evil empire work?
57:45 - Revelation, empire, and submission
1:05:00 - Egalitarianism and submission



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  • Paul's Vision of a New Masculinity: https://www.academia.edu/36607328/Pauls_Vision_of_a_New_Masculinity_Eph_5_21_6_9_
  • World Upside Down: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9487035-world-upside-down?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_9
  • Jesus in a World of Colliding Empire: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39948664-jesus-in-a-world-of-colliding-empires-volume-one?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=NSrodkCOUU&rank=1
  • Kierkegaard's Attack Upon Christendom: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34271805-kierkegaard-s-attack-upon-christendom-1854-1855?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=4mRMOXc2Kh&rank=1
  • The Kingship of Jesus in the Gospel of John: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45168636-the-kingship-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=SHWYw99JG6&rank=1
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What is The Fourth Way?

A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.