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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So the Ukraine bio labs are only the tip of the iceberg, and the mainstream media and the White House are scrambling to control the narrative, but they aren't able to. Joining me today is BioCland Destin who first discovered the connection between Putin's airstrikes and Ukrainian biolab locations, and he's since been heavily targeted and censored. Before we get started, I have a few short messages for you.
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Speaker 1:I think you'll end up staying. And so now on to today's show. Now we're broadcasting live on Facebook and YouTube. I'm not sure if they're gonna cancel this because Google's come out, and they've said that they're gonna start censoring people who question the narrative about what's happening in Ukraine. So you know what?
Speaker 1:Let's see what they do. So let's go ahead and bring on our guest today, Jacob, aka BioClandestine. So, Jacob, thank you so much for joining us today. How are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm doing well, Seth. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. So you just to give a little bit of context, I discovered you through this Twitter thread that was going viral where this guy named BioClandestine with a, you know, cool looking avatar of a man in a hat was kind of mysterious, basically discovered that the areas that Putin was doing airstrikes in his offensives in Ukraine just so happened to line up with the exact locations of all of these US funded bio labs, and you since kicked off what has become now something everyone's hearing about. Tucker son's talking about it. It was brought up in the UN over the weekend. So give us a little bit of the background of how you discovered that.
Speaker 2:Well, not to correct you, but at the time, my account was war clandestine, but
Speaker 1:I was
Speaker 2:immediately banned. Before that, was clandestine. I've had over 40 Twitter accounts. So they've been coming for me for quite some time over the course of about four years now. But the way I started beginning down this train of thought was initially when the strikes first started, they weren't in the East.
Speaker 2:They were striking Middle And And Western Ukraine. None of that made sense because the median air that we were being told this was about Crimea and, the East. So I started digging and then I came across this map pertaining to The US funded bio labs in Ukraine and I started matching up where the strikes were at and they were in the same general vicinity. And then after that, I just started digging more, found the biological threat reduction program page on the US Embassy. Embassy.
Speaker 2:And then I found the Newsweek article of Russia accusing The US of creating bioweapons four months ago, I guess, maybe five months ago now. And China also jumped in. So whether smoke, there's fire. I kept digging. And the response from the media and the media complex, social media, has pretty much told all of us that we found something they do not want us to talk about.
Speaker 1:You you know, that was the amazing part about it because, you know, I've been censored heavily, and and you're obviously on your, you know, fortieth account on Twitter. And I'm used to seeing people getting censored for questioning the COVID narrative or the jab narrative or talking about what happened in Jan or in, you know, November 2020. But what really struck me, what really made my ears perk up is when I saw that you got deleted shortly after that thread, and I thought, why would Twitter be going against they're not following any policy. They hadn't set any policy saying you can't talk about x. It was more so that you broke this sensitive information, and within twenty four hours, you were gone.
Speaker 1:So why do you think they were so quick to censor you?
Speaker 2:Well, I know that you are on Facebook and YouTube, so there are probably certain things that I'm not allowed to talk about. But these bio labs in Ukraine, this path leads to finding out about those things we're not allowed to talk about. So that's why they wanted to cover it up because as soon as the world finds out that The US were creating these things in Ukraine, it's going to lead to the other things that were created a few years ago that have put us in the state of the world that we're in now, if you catch my drift.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And, actually, so I've I've learned that the the limits I can push with with the media. So, you know, for me to to talk about it, we say, look, you know, because to to kind of frame it and and I read what you recently posted as well on Telegram, which was what happens when you follow narrative of these bio labs, it takes you back to Wuhan. The same companies that were funding and involved, which just so happened to be involved with Hunter Biden, etcetera, ended up tying back into Wuhan where you then realize this wasn't just something that was cooked up in a lab in China. It ties directly back to Fauci, the NIH, etcetera.
Speaker 1:So you think you think that's why this really struck a big, you know, hit a big button for them?
Speaker 2:100%. One hundred %. They they feel as if this is the entry point for us to figure it out because now the cat's out of the bag. Newland tried to cover it up and tried to paint a narrative. Now they're trying to establish a narrative that Russia is gonna be the one releasing these biological weapons after they said there were no biological weapons in Ukraine.
Speaker 2:So now they're in this mass cover up phase and then they can't seem to get their story straight and they know that it leads. Once we find out that The US are making you know, if the UN were to invoke articles five and six of the Biologic Weapons Convention, an investigation will happen into all US biological activity. And they know exactly what they've done. And we have the proof via the emails, Collins and Fauci. They knew.
Speaker 2:So this is their final stand. They know if this cat gets out of the bag, there's no going back.
Speaker 1:So is isolated incident where you see just happening perhaps a little bit in Ukraine or Hong Kong or, you know, Taiwan or Wuhan? Or is this something is that the other reason why they freaked out and why they panicked with this? Because once you start digging, I've covered this recently as well, you realize that this is literally what you see happening in Ukraine is literally the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yes.
Speaker 1:So what what is what is the rest of that iceberg look like?
Speaker 2:So the rest of that iceberg goes down the path to lead to the NIH US DOD funding with which they conduct this funding in other countries congressional oversight. So they're able to do things that are illegal in The United States. Now think about it from our perspective. If we were to have Russia and Mexico and China pushed up with biological laboratories and then a virus were to leak and shut the world down for two years, we might be a little bit mad at Russia as well for putting these biological laboratories near our borders. So I feel that Russia is 100% in the right to have questions and The USA are doing everything in their power to cover it up because this iceberg leads to The US NIH creating c 19 as well as a bevy of other crimes surrounding it pertaining to the vaccines, the propaganda, media censorship, social media censorship.
Speaker 2:This essentially encapsulates the entire deep state and implicates them in a mass crime against humanity with which the consequences are severe.
Speaker 1:And that is something that Russia pushed for and recently brought up in the UN over the weekend, right, which that would that set that was a new precedent. Right? Can you explain a little bit about what happened this past weekend and just the significance about that and the amount of people in the world that were represented by those voices at the UN and what you think might might lead to.
Speaker 2:Of course. So the biological weapons convention, Russia brought an emergency meeting to the Security Council requesting investigation in the invocation of articles five and six to investigate The United States pertaining to their biological weapons capabilities around the world. Now this has never happened. This is the first time ever. I believe it was signed in 1972 or '75.
Speaker 2:And this has never once been brought up to the UN Security Council. This is completely unprecedented as you said. And we as citizens of the world don't really have an idea as to where this goes. Given Nuremberg, if there were to be proof of these crimes against humanity, one would assume there would be international military tribunals with which each country would supply a military judge and a military prosecution team and each collectively work together to prosecute and hold those accountable who were breaching the first article of the Biological Weapons Convention, stockpiling, producing, an housing biological material and or pathogens and or weapons.
Speaker 1:So and who was represented in that? So this was basically, as I understand, Russia went to the UN and said, look. There's some really fishy stuff going on here. I want to bring forth, you know, and I'm gonna call upon these particular parts of this international there was a treaty that the biological weapons treaty. Is that right?
Speaker 1:It's an international treaty where these countries are agreeing. And was that is that a treaty that it was formed after the Cold War. Right? Because there was so much of an arms race. And a lot people think of the arms race as being nuclear, but, actually, a lot of it was biological.
Speaker 1:And a lot of the Soviet scientists were actually developing biological weapons over in the Soviet Union at that time. So that so, basically, it's Russia saying, hey. Under this treaty, The US is breaking some major, major international laws. And so what other countries were there? I mean, imagine The US wasn't there to say, yeah.
Speaker 1:We're sorry. We did this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So The US immediately just began. They didn't debunk or provide any evidence to suggest otherwise. They simply cried Russian propaganda. This is all lies, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2:But Russia, China, Brazil, Mexico, Gabon, India, three point two billion people worth of representatives requested that the UN initiate an investigation into United States biological weapons capabilities. So that is a massive deal. And the fact that the media are completely radio silent with the exception of a few Fox News networks and citizen journalists and people like yourself willing to dig into this sort of thing. In a real world, the headline would be two world superpowers accuse The United States of creating biological weapons. That is exactly what happened on the highest diplomatic scale in the world.
Speaker 2:Yet they claim it is Russia disinformation.
Speaker 1:It's been which is interesting because if you look at look back at all the censorship happening around COVID, it became so easy to have anything that didn't agree with the official narrative became misinformation. And so they just, you know, just sweep it aside, all this Russia disinformation. And I was having a conversation with someone earlier today, my a family member, and talking about this and just painting a different picture to what's happening because I've rarely seen I saw it with COVID. You saw it. You trace back some of the the bigger events that happened in our country where whether it's nine eleven or some of those other events such as that where there's one official narrative, and you're not even allowed to question that narrative.
Speaker 1:And it's not like I've come out and saying, look. I'm a huge Putin supporter, and he's this amazing saint that's trying to free the world of the deep state. But I at least wanna be able to look at the other side of that narrative. And the fact that they so quickly have swept this under the rug, I think, me, makes it a much bigger story. And especially if you dig into Ukraine and the corruption there, the money laundering, even the human trafficking.
Speaker 1:Like, I started doing my own research and found that Ukraine was a major hub for human trafficking for child child sex trafficking, etcetera. So there's there's some deep stuff that's happening in Ukraine. It's not that it's what's interesting is it's not just that it's, oh, it's it's the corrupt Ukrainian government. Like, the the it's really just a public government there, and they're being manipulated by, in a lot of ways, The United States.
Speaker 2:Yes. For sure. It's essentially a US proxy. It's also considered the poorest country in Europe. It's been ravaged by war for eight years now and the media never cared to put their Ukrainian flag on their screen until Putin decided that he was going to move in because The US are afraid of their assets falling into the wrong hands, which if these assets were being used purely defensively, why would they be concerned about Russia obtaining said research?
Speaker 2:So there's definitely a lot of smoke in Ukraine, and The US and The US media complex do not want you to talk about it to any extent, and anyone and everyone who says anything other than the narrative as you stated will be smeared as QAnon, Russian conspiracy or excuse me, conspiracy theory, Russian disinformation. They'll just slap any other other label on you. For example, if you all would like to look at the article NBC wrote about me yesterday, they managed to fit QAnon conspiracy theory, Russian disinformation all into the headline with two other words.
Speaker 1:So So
Speaker 2:they're not even trying to utilize words or sentences. They're just slapping labels on things and hoping that it deters people from looking into it.
Speaker 1:Well, it's I think it's very intentional too because it's it's how they've programmed people. Like, this is this goes back into MK Ultra brainwashing techniques where it's repetition. You know, it's like with Trump. When Trump was, say, running, you know, in 02/2016 or, you know, when he was in office, every time that, that, you know, you'd see CNN or major mainstream media talk about Trump, it was always Trump racism, Trump bigot, Trump Hitler, Trump. So that way, whenever people heard Trump, it was like Pavlov's bell.
Speaker 1:They ring a bell, and instead of the dog salivating, they ring a bell. They have this emotional response to that. So that's what they do is they create these they use these words like, you know, radical or extremist or right wing extremist. And so they put that in the headline. So it automatically frames any information, and it prevents people from really thinking logically and independently because they have all these triggers that are it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Look at this guy. You know? I'm not gonna even Mhmm. Pay attention to what he's saying. And it's a way that they're trying to control the narrative and silence people like you.
Speaker 1:But what's interesting is that that's not happening. And I know that, you know, Fox News, which I don't think too highly of Fox News, but Tucker Carlson did a big segment on these bio labs, and I think that that was your doing. So, I mean, what was that like when you saw Tucker Carlson start talking about the research that you're the one that brought to the forefront?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that was pretty massive. The whole day was crazy because that was the day after Newland, under oath, asking or answering Rubio's question, which was was staged. But regardless, Newland did confirm their biological laboratories in Ukraine, which gave the green light for the mainstream to talk about it. So there were segments by Dan Bongino, Jesse Waters, Bannon got in on it.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there was plenty of other ones. But when Tucker got on, he did a great job, a great segment. Obviously, I'm not a fan of any mainstream media and I believe that there are, there's corruption at all levels, but he did put it out there and the fact that my research, I guess my puzzle piecing managed to make it to Tucker Carlson is pretty colossal. And the fact that one dude with an iPhone is running circles around the entire intelligence community, the multi trillion dollar media complex, all the suits on the hill. It's kinda it's kinda awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Now you've been targeted. Right? And I and I normally if this is a private conversation, I wouldn't bring it up. You wrote about this on your substack that you've been you have family members that have been reached out to, and they think that someone's feeding you information, which, again, shows that you're hot on the trail.
Speaker 2:That is correct. Yes. So I do have family members and people close to me in the intelligence community, and those agencies did reach out to those individuals to request information pertaining to the information that I have if I was being fed anything, if I have any foreign connections, which all that confirms is that I am over the target and they wouldn't be concerned about me if I wasn't talking about classified intelligence. Granted, I don't have access to classified intelligence. I just put the pieces together.
Speaker 2:And since I have been targeted and smeared, defamed, and attacked by anyone and everyone who doesn't wanna believe that their government could do anything wrong.
Speaker 1:That's an important point that you ended up with there is because I think that there's a lot of cognitive dissonance about the US government from our own citizens. You know, we're used to thinking that the bad guys are in Iraq or the bad guys are, you know, or Russia or North Korea. And I think that that's fundamentally, that's what I'm seeing happen and what I'm seeing coming out of this exact story is there's a lot of people, and as I've shared this on my telegram and other social media, there's a lot of people that they're just now starting to realize that the United States government is at the center with of some really, really massive criminal conspiracies globally. And I think that these bio labs are again, you know, if Ukraine's the tip of the iceberg of the bio labs, the bio labs are the tip of the iceberg of what's happening, you know, with the overall corruption, the military black budget, the military industrial complex. And it's it's it's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of Americans because, you know, we love our country.
Speaker 1:We're patriotic, and American people are beautiful, caring, you know, god fearing people. But to think that there's this level of corruption and I think that for those of us that have been digging into it for a while, we've seen it. You know, as we looked into some of the big terrorist attacks around the world and saw what was really happening behind looked into, you know, any number of things that that we're seeing happening. But especially as we've gotten now into the last two years with COVID, you're seeing the true colors of this, and that that might be the one thing they're fearing the most because I think The US has done a really good job of deflecting the American people from realizing that a lot of people in the government, they're at the center of this global criminal cabal, as you might call it.
Speaker 2:For sure. And the greatest thing The United States has done is convince their citizenry via propaganda that we have done no wrong and that all of our aggression is justified. And anyone that shows any aggression towards us is a direct threat to national security and will be brought rain upon, which from militaristic standpoint, that makes sense. But logically speaking, it doesn't make any sense. The United States have been the aggressors.
Speaker 2:We've gone to war. We've slaughtered innocents, and you didn't see the news smearing Bush, Obama, Clinton, Bush before about all the bombs they dropped on civilians. If you look at Biden just the other day, they were trying to target, I believe it was an ISIS member probably a couple months ago, and they accidentally killed 11 civilians. There was no outrage. There was no CNN town halls asking about what we're gonna do to intervene with this Hitler esque Biden in office killing and bombing civilians.
Speaker 2:So at this point, everyone's kinda at a crossroads where they have to look at themselves and say, could my country be the baddies? Everybody knows the hot fuzz gift. Are we the baddies? The United States have not been good. We have not been innocent.
Speaker 2:As you said, the people here are good people. Our government has been infiltrated and weaponized to hunt people politically and cause turmoil around the world at the expense of innocence. And the only way to move forward from this is to recognize it, attack it, and bring about change through exposing the corruption and installing a new government so that The United States or any other country can never do this again.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's a it's a very good point. It's a it's a very, very good point. And I think that, you know, you make a a good point too about being infiltrated and and weaponized, and that's exactly what's happened. But you also brought up a good point too is that what again, when when this war first started breaking out, I didn't know what to think about it.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to, okay, understand what's happening. But when I saw the entire apparatus that I saw attack Trump, the same apparatus that, you know, pushed particular narrative about COVID. The same apparatus that supported BLM. And all of a sudden, you see all of these, you know, big companies. Even now I'm getting emails from companies that I, you know, say, have digital services from or whatever, and all their logos are now yellow and blue.
Speaker 1:You see people's Facebook profiles, all the pictures, so it's like you went from I support BLM to, you know, I got my jab to, you know, now, like, I'm I'm pro Ukraine. But you made a good point, though. It's like, what happened with, you you know, Iraq? How many innocent civilians were killing? We we sang songs about it, bombs over Baghdad.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. And, you know, now we look back on it and realize the entire thing was a ruse, yet it's incredible how easily people will just trust the mainstream media again and say, oh, well, look at what's happening here. Well, during the Iraqi war, they were telling people the same exact things and saying, oh, we have to go after and, you know, go after weapons of mass destruction, etcetera. And so it really makes you see how much control that these people I don't know if they call them people, how they have over their ability to socially engineer these things and create these, you know, global psyops. It's it's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1:It's frightening to a certain degree as well.
Speaker 2:Yes. The first word that comes to mind is Orwellian. I'm a huge Orwell fan. Obviously, if you are familiar with Orwell's work, he was right about pretty much everything, almost disgustingly right. And the and like you said, the fact that they're able to do it so effortlessly is disturbing on all levels, and people have been propagandized and brainwashed since birth.
Speaker 2:They don't know anything else. And a lot of people start to begin to see these things in the media. They start to see these patterns like you mentioned, how the same media complexes are attacking the same people, pushing the same narratives. But they're not willing to accept that fear that they could be wrong or that there could be corruption, that they rather not talk about it, just call it Russian disinformation and move on with their lives because they're afraid to confront this harsh, disturbing reality that our government are doing evil things in which millions of people across the world have died directly due to their actions.
Speaker 1:What do you think in looking at these bio labs and where it's now being revealed that there's there's hundreds of them all over the world that you can trace. I mean, I I did a deep dive into this, and you can trace that you can find that that they were directly funded by the Department of Defense, right, by the Pentagon, you know, through our taxpayer dollars. They're setting these things up. They done it in a way that the people that are working for these bio labs in these countries have diplomatic immunity. And, actually, even with Ukraine, I I was looking into all the documents about the how they establish these bio labs and even says there very clearly that if a Ukraine if an American scientist that's working in that bio lab in Ukraine, if this say this guy intentionally releases a bioweapon in that region, the America and all people involved are indemnified.
Speaker 1:So they can't it's actually becomes the fault of the Ukraine government. So it's it's not even, you know, the obviously, there's something that allows these things to happen, but the way that these things are set up is so corrupt. The amount of power it gives, you know, our our government. But the big question to me, and I I really wanna hear your thoughts on this, is what's the bigger picture of this? Like, we saw what happened with Wuhan.
Speaker 1:Why does our country need to have these bio labs in over 300 locations around the world? What's the what's behind all of this?
Speaker 2:Well, with some information that I was able to gather through the Red Pill podcast and investigative journalist, John Mark Dugan, we did find documentation from these Ukrainian bio labs that the pathogens they were studying, they were genetically modifying to target specific nationality genome sequences. So they're creating weapons designed to target entire populations. So say I release a pathogen, it will only latch on and cause harm to individuals with a specific genome sequence based on race. So for example, in Ukraine, they were requesting specifically white, white Russian mRNA and DNA samples to generate their pathogens. And Russia found out about this, and, obviously, we see we saw what happened.
Speaker 2:If The USA were to find out that Russia was creating pathogens designed to target USA specific genome sequences, we would do something similar. So and I know everyone's talking about we're on the brink of World War three. I'd argue we are in World War three. World War three is not gonna be fought like World War two. It's about information.
Speaker 2:And there is some some hostilities as well, obviously, in in Ukraine, but I don't think it's gonna be mass scale warfare. But I believe that we started World War three two years ago when that thing was released from that place.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's a good point. And that's what Trump talked about too. Trump he he kept specifically talking about it, which I believe I I look at him as a wartime president and talking about how that was a direct attack on The United States. Now we know that China was heavily involved in that, but, obviously, coordination with our own corrupt, you know, swamp of a government.
Speaker 1:Now but what we're seeing right what's happening now, though, is that they a lot of times, they'll project these politicians, these you know, the media, etcetera. So but what we have happening now is that they're coming out and they're saying how concerned they are that that Russia now that Russia actually took control of this material, this biological material that's dangerous, that doesn't actually exist, they're now concerned even though there's no labs there that are dangerous, they're concerned that the the material that Russia now has control over is gonna be used against the Ukrainian people or used in a broader sense. Do you think that they're setting up some sort of false flag event as the next step of this?
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%. So when the question was was posed to Victoria Newland, Undersecretary of State Rubio, he underhanded the question to her and everyone could tell she was visibly very nervous and she was very precise with her wordage and she said biological research facility and biological research. I'd just like to clarify that a biological research facility is the same thing as a biological laboratory. In order to do research, you have to have a lab to house these pathogens. And the only thing that differentiates a research facility and a bioweapon facility is intent.
Speaker 2:At any point, I could take this pathogen and let it out. I can say that I'm using it for defense, but at any moment, it could be a weapon. And Russia doesn't like it, and rightfully so, due to the fact that we kinda just went through a world pandemic from a man made virus. And, you know, there's still arguments we had as to where that came from. I know where it came from, but you're welcome to argue all you like.
Speaker 2:It still got out. Whether it was intentional or accidental, The US and China cannot be responsible for doing any sort of research along these lines and have to be held accountable because we can't keep doing this, obviously.
Speaker 1:Now what do you see unfolding with Taiwan? Because amidst this, we're now realizing that there's actually actually even high as I understand it, there's even higher level security biological weapons or biological labs, which, you know, people that say, oh, it wasn't a it wasn't a weapons laboratory. Well, neither was Wuhan. Wuhan was a research research laboratory. We saw what happened there.
Speaker 1:So Yeah. What do see, yeah, what do you see happening with Taiwan? Because I've actually I I spent a good part of my life in Taiwan. I used to go there, you know, multiple times a year, and and I have I know a lot of people there. And also, I do know that the CCP, which I don't trust for anything, I know that the CCP has been looking for excuses to go into Taiwan, looking for reasons to basically reunite Taiwan with the Mainland China because Taiwan Rep represents a very big threat to them because they're a very, you know, harsh communist nation.
Speaker 1:And a lot of their people are traveling to Taiwan and being exposed to different versions of reality, right, aka the truth versus what the communist, you know, party, you know, line is. But now that we see that there's these weapon labs in Taiwan, there's been, with the Ukraine crisis happening, there's been an increasing pressure that we're we're feeling between China and Taiwan. So what do you see unfolding there?
Speaker 2:Well, I can't confirm as if they're using this for an excuse to move into Taiwan, if they're if this is their actual reason for moving into Taiwan. But China has been very vocal along with Russia before the original UN Security Council meeting about the US Biolab capabilities. So I believe they're going to move in. And if they do move in and take over these biological laboratories, then it's gonna be impossible to cover up this narrative. So, like, for for example, you could try to to spin this Ukrainian situation as Russian disinformation, but then when China does as well, the pattern is there and it's gonna be really difficult for them to to keep this toothpaste in the bottle.
Speaker 2:So I what I think is gonna happen is China's gonna move into Taiwan. There probably will be hostility of some sort and they will take over the bio labs and they will do the same thing that Russia did and say they have evidence and request the invocation of five and six articles of the Biological Weapons Convention, which will eventually lead to the investigation and people being held accountable for crimes against humanities. If that does not happen, we do not have international law. We do not have any future as a planet, and eventually, we will be 100% in a medical police state.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's a good point. And so I I think that what's also interesting here, and this is something that I've really been trying to understand, is, like, what who's really fighting here? Because I think that, you know, as an American, we like to think that we represent America. America is a beacon of freedom, etcetera.
Speaker 1:And when there's a country that is hostile towards us, we take it as being hostile towards us, the American people. Whereas if you look at Russia, for instance, like, I I believe that when Trump was in power for his four years, he was trying to build these relations with Putin to actually fight against a lot of this global, you know, cabal that we're seeing that's really wrapping around things and and really infiltrating and controlling society. I also believe that the two of them would have stand stood up against the CCP. Right? Because I think that they're even within China, I think there's there's multiple factions within the government there.
Speaker 1:And so, you know, when you see that, for instance, the China state media is calling out George Soros, calling him the son of Satan, which is incredible, odd, and strong, you know, verbiage to use against somebody. But, you know, China's literally calling Soros the son of Satan. You have Soros coming out and saying that Xi Jinping and Putin are the greatest threats to, you know, free societies, etcetera. And so it seems like that there there is tension towards, you know, Russia and America. You're obviously, we're seeing that now in between the CCP America, but I think that in a lot of ways, it's actually because, you say, Putin or Xi, they know the level of corruption at the high levels of the US government.
Speaker 1:They know how our department of defense has been weaponized, how the military black budgets have siphoned off trillions of dollars of our taxpayer money to fund all kinds of things that are so illegal. You know, the again, the bio labs are just the beginning of that. Right? That that what they're doing. And so appears to me that there is this this battle that it's almost like we're just the innocent bystanders that are being caught amidst this.
Speaker 1:But what's really happening is at the at the global level, there's these large factions that are fighting each other. And it's it's frightening because but it's even more difficult to make sense of what's happening.
Speaker 2:Yes. I would agree. You made an excellent point that we don't necessarily know if certain factions within China and Russia are good or bad. I believe it's just like The United States. There are good factions and bad factions in every country, and this cabal you speak of has looked to and successfully infiltrated a lot of countries and their governments.
Speaker 2:So this it's a shadow war that's been going on since God knows how long. I wouldn't be able to put an immediate start point to it, but you could argue that it started when Trump won the election he wasn't supposed to win. That's why, you know, remember when Putin in the interview or, excuse me, in the conference with Trump, he was like, yeah, I wanted Trump to win. And everyone's took that as, oh, it's it's Russian collusion. It's Russian conspiracy.
Speaker 2:But in reality, Putin and Xi don't like The United States because our past four presidents have been terrible, warmongering, evil individuals. So for, you know, eight times four for nearly twenty five years, we've been terrible. And they finally got someone in office that they could have an actual conversation with that wasn't bought by the cabal. So now that Biden's back in office, the the tide has turned right back, and they're not playing any more games. That's why Putin didn't move into Ukraine when Trump was there.
Speaker 2:But as soon as someone they didn't trust got back in office, they can't risk the well-being of their citizens, in the hands of these psychopaths.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. I I agree completely. And something that, you know, you and I were talking about before the show that you'd brought up was that, you know, with these various biological web research facilities you gotta watch my Orwellian speak here. Right?
Speaker 1:The doublethink. You know, with with these various, harmless, innocent research facilities where good natured, you know, Bill Nye the science guy type folks research insects. These these labs around the world, there have also been instances of of outbreaks, whether it was Ebola or different, you know, respiratory, you know, MERS or other respiratory illnesses that have directly been related to these labs. And so that's something you and I were talking about because this is this was information I was somewhat aware of, but upon researching into it, much more aware of this. And then especially if you look at, again, what happened with Wuhan, what crept out of there, which I I believe you I I believe, actually, that started in The US.
Speaker 1:I think it started under Ralph Barack and, you know, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, and then made its way through NIH, etcetera, into their you know, in Obama over into Wuhan where it was then you know, who knows what happened to it where eventually it was released from over there. But, you were telling me about some of the things that happened in in Georgia with some of these weapons labs or these research labs.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's correct. So we did have a direct accusation from Russia in 2018 about our weapon research facilities in in Georgia. It was so bad that the CDC and the NIH and the DOD and the biological threat reduction program all made propaganda videos to show everyone how innocent and harmless it is. And they were like, guys, there's nothing going on here.
Speaker 2:We would never do anything bad. But there were direct links to different outbreaks near these research facilities. And it became really difficult to deny, but as always, The US just painted it as defense research and smeared anybody that questioned them otherwise as Russian disinformation. So Putin and Xi tried to handle this diplomatically. We didn't listen.
Speaker 2:So Putin decided that it was in the best interest of his people and himself to move in and secure these labs so that The US couldn't be in control of them anymore because, obviously, we're not to be trusted based on current events.
Speaker 1:Now the one thing with the UN is if you look at the reaction to Russia, you look at the, the sanctions globally, you look at all the companies they're pulling out, whether it's, you know, them pulling Russia out of the SWIFT system, you know, pulling all, you know, all kinds of businesses out, whether it's McDonald's or other businesses, you know, auto manufacturing, etcetera, you can see that this is a global coordinated effort. And a lot of this coordination, I believe, goes back up to the World Economic Forum and the UN, which I think are working hand in hand with the corrupt people in the United States government. They're on the same side as this, the same people that are behind NATO as their you know, the beginnings of their one world army. You know, we we we know their end gold. This is playing into it into the great reset, which we can talk about that next.
Speaker 1:But do you think that bringing this up to UN will accomplish anything? Because isn't that like going to the, you know, criminal and asking the criminal about, you know, asking him to admit that he was guilty in doing something because they were involved in this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a that's a good point. That's a question I've been asked. And truthfully, I I do not know. All I know is that Russia went about the proper diplomatic channels to go about reporting this.
Speaker 2:And if the UN doesn't wanna cooperate, it's very clear that Putin is gonna do what's best for his people. And at least in his mind, he's gonna move forward with trying to present this evidence. Now if the UN doesn't wanna play along, I don't know what the next course of action is. Because as I said earlier, 3,200,000,000 people and their representatives just asked for The US to be investigated. Are we just gonna ignore nearly half the planet and just say, no, you're rushing this information.
Speaker 2:I don't I don't know how they're gonna go about doing that, but they could. And as you mentioned that this all connected to the World Economic Forum, if you look back to before the initial strikes in Ukraine, it was all the WEF young leaders who were the most concerned about what was going on in Ukraine to include Macron, Trudeau, Biden
Speaker 1:Merkel.
Speaker 2:All these people that are in bed with the WEF. They were more concerned about what was going on in Ukraine than the Ukrainians. They were they he was saying, Biden, we don't need your help. We got this under control. But for some reason, The US were really, really really concerned about it, and that's because they had something to hide.
Speaker 1:So one, you know, question I have for you, which I've been trying to understand, is that if you look at the what this has done, if you look at the the ramifications ramifications of this war in Ukraine. And there's an article that I read, I think it was on Zero Hedge earlier today, which I I'm on I'll probably do a show on on Thursday. It was 10 signs that the Ukraine war is pushing forward the great reset. Because if you look into the the globalist plan and the whole idea of the great reset, the not looking into the actual specifics of the war itself, but looking at the the ripple effect of the global supply chain. Right?
Speaker 1:We're having the sanctions. We're gonna have issues with fertilizer. Right? People don't realize how much fertilizer comes out of Russia. The fertilizer that we need to grow our food, people don't realize the how much wheat.
Speaker 1:I think that the The United States gets something like between 1720% of its wheat, from between Russia and Ukraine. So those that's now been stopped. So there's and that's just the beginning of it, not to mention we're seeing a new round of censorship, a new round of you you can't talk about this or else we're gonna cancel you. We're also seeing even in Ukraine, they announced that they're starting as a response to this war, they're bringing out a UBI, a universal basic income, which they're now requiring you to have the jab to get access to that. Right?
Speaker 1:So you have to go, you know, show proof of that. So the the point of this whole article is making, which I've heard this, you know, a lot recently, is that this war played perfectly into the plans of the globalist to push us further into their great reset, to push us further into the, one world digital currency. Right? We're now seeing that, I think it's Saudi Arabia is now talking about how they're gonna allow the Chinese to buy oil with, yuan instead of only US Dollar, which the undoing of the petrodollar is that's the end of the US dollar. If that if that happens, we're gonna see a massive collapse.
Speaker 1:So do you think that even though you can make sense of the intentions for Putin carrying out some of his actions, though I don't necessarily agree with how some of it's being done. I I never agree with the loss of innocent lives. But do you think that he maybe was baited into this? And even though they're saying that they hate the fact that he's doing this, that be that they sent him false intel about a potential biological weapon attack that was gonna be coming to his city or his country or, something like that because it just seems like him going in there is playing exactly anything. Plus the fact that the entire COVID narrative had just ended.
Speaker 1:You know, it was just collapsing. People were just now getting over it. Now all of sudden, COVID COVID COVID, war, war, war, war. And what are your thoughts on all that?
Speaker 2:It's definitely plausible. However, in any situation where more information is let out, I don't believe that it's gonna be any sort of Cabal's plan. The more veil they have over their actions, the more successful they are. They already have control of all the information. Why would they allow us to have additional information?
Speaker 2:Now granted, did they think that someone was gonna figure out what they were doing and post a thread about it? I don't believe so. So it very well could be. It could be a situation where they're utilizing this tragedy, never let a good tragedy go to waste to implement more of their policies. However, I believe their real plan, as you see via the WEF and and Bill Gates, etcetera, speaking about there's another pandemic on on the horizon.
Speaker 2:There's another one coming. We don't know how we know, but it's coming. So I think that perhaps that was their plan to initiate a whole new pandemic, more jabs, more medical tyranny, more censorship, and move us into a complete, like I said, medical police state medical police state with complete control over information, what you're allowed to buy, what you're allowed to do, what you're allowed to say. That's what these people want, and they don't want us to have any freedom whatsoever. So do I think that's possible?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But do we know? We'll have to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's a good point. And that is one of my concerns also is just the, you know, the use they always telegraph what they're doing. Right? It it's like, you know, watching a baseball player.
Speaker 1:You know, you you can learn to watch the pitcher to know exactly they'll they'll give you a sign of what they're doing, and you already see them coming out talking about it, talking about next pandemic. We also know that, China, which, you Xi Jinping and and China, I think, were obviously instrumental in causing the global pandemic that we we experienced, the lockdowns, etcetera. So much has came out of basically, the desk of Xi Jinping, you know, through the WHO and the global organizations and carried down you know, we've never used lockdowns in entire history of our human race as a way to deal with things. Yet these lockdowns just so happen to collapse our world economies, and, you know, China is just, you know, doing great amidst that. But if you look at what's happening in China right now, I think that, right now, Shenzhen, which is it's a city I I've been there a handful of times.
Speaker 1:It's a very dense city of I think it's over 10,000,000 people is on a lockdown. You're seeing similar things happening in Shanghai. So you're having tens of millions of people go under lockdown as we speak right now in China, which, you know, when China goes on a lockdown, it's not like us. We're like, okay. You can't go to the bar past 10:00.
Speaker 1:It's a lockdown. Like, there, it's like, we're gonna weld you into your apartment building. Right? Mhmm. So my that is one of my other concerns is that, you know, once this the war wanes, wanes, that it's not like the war's gonna be over and they're gonna say, okay.
Speaker 1:You know what, folks? Like, we got through the pandemic and the war, and now life is back to normal. Like, I think people have to realize that we're train, and this is this is the great reset train that they're pushing forward, and it's building momentum. And it's like, the only way to get off is to actually figure out how to, you know, put some some trees on the tracks and just, know, wreck the whole train. They're not gonna stop and let us off.
Speaker 1:So what do you think what do you think comes next?
Speaker 2:Like you said, it it really is up to us to cause as much disruption to their plan as possible. And as you said, they telegraph their moves. And it's up to us to do things like I did with my thread and get out in front of them so they can't cover it up. That's why they freaked out so hard and they canceled my account, shut down any talk about it, shut it down off YouTube, Facebook, etcetera. Because they rely on generating and maintaining the narrative.
Speaker 2:And if we're if we beat them to the punch, it's more difficult for them to cover it up. So if you were to take a poll as to people who believe that we don't have biological labs in Ukraine, I'd suggest that a lot of people are seeing through the the mask and they know that we're doing nefarious activity there, whether they want to admit it publicly or not. They know that something's up, the narrative doesn't make sense, the cover up is there, the censorship is there. So it's really like I said, it's up to us to make as much noise impact as possible. But if things don't change soon, I e, Trump doesn't get back back in office, I don't see a path for us to have any sort of life like we used to.
Speaker 2:And it's looking grim
Speaker 1:Yeah. For the future. No. And I mean, I I agree. I mean, look, I'm people that follow me know that I'm I'm I'm an optimistic person.
Speaker 1:I do believe that in the end, you know, god wins. I believe in the end that we will triumph over evil. But, again, if you if you look at everything they're telling us that they're doing, everything that they're telling us they're going to do, I think it has to get a lot worse before it gets better. I think that the reality is that right now, we're heading into the midterms politicians are on their best behavior. You know?
Speaker 1:Even, you know, my government in Ohio that was very much so a rhino and, you know, was was locking Ohio down, etcetera. He he just signed yesterday or this morning, he just signed into law a constitutional carry, which is fantastic. Fantastic. You know? I'm I'm very excited about that because it's a great, you know, know, pro second amendment thing.
Speaker 1:But I think that they're just on gun good behavior until we get to the midterms, and then the next, you know, thing rolls out. I'm curious, though, just a, you know, a question for you because I think you're you're a great example of someone that you know, you didn't come from, you know, Breitbart. You didn't come from, you know, one of the top, you know, schools of journalism. You're just someone that just dug in and researched. So, you know, for folks that are are watching this, you know, what would you tell them to encourage them to step into this arena?
Speaker 1:Because this is a battle of truth. I agree. I I think we've been in World War three for quite some time now, but it's primarily information. And so you're someone that is you know, you just dropped the truth, you know, a Moab on the enemy's bases with this information. So how can you encourage more people to do to step forth and do that?
Speaker 2:It's it's really quite simple. Just do not give up. Do not relent. Do not stop digging. Anytime that the establishment narrative seems to be saying the same thing over and over again, look a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2:And it's really just putting yourself out there and reading as much as possible. I don't live in an echo chamber. I don't just take in far right or right wing or left wing or whatever you wanna label it as. I take all the information in, and then I look at everything objectively and I make sure that the narrative I wanna move forward with is supported by the facts. And if you just do it logically and use critical thinking, all the answers will eventually show up to you.
Speaker 2:So you just have to keep digging. You have to keep trying. Don't allow anyone to dissuade you or make it seem as if what you're doing is is wrong or treat you as a a leper or a conspiracy theorist. Don't worry about these labels. It's not important.
Speaker 2:Just keep digging. Keep pushing. Find your own truth. Keep digging. And, eventually, we'll win this information more, but it's gonna take all of us to make our own impact and knock along with the narrative.
Speaker 1:Those are very good points. What do you think amidst all this? I know that Trump has been speaking out. He's been saying, look. If I was in office, this wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1:We this this wouldn't you know, I would have let Putin do this. And I I agree, actually. I think that it's you know, in in a lot of ways, the attack on The Ukraine is an attack on The US. It's an attack on our corrupt installations that we have there. What do you think Trump is doing right now?
Speaker 1:And what do you think what is his what do you think his level of awareness is of the real battle that's happening? And is he positioning himself in this? Do you think he's active behind the scenes?
Speaker 2:I 100% believe Trump is acting behind the scenes. I do know that he has a relationship with Putin and Xi, and you can take that however you want. I mean, people might call it treasonous. I call it diplomacy. It's not bad to have a conversation with your so called enemies it leads to peace.
Speaker 2:And when Trump was in office, all we saw was peace. North Korea was peace. And I believe that he is acting behind the scenes. I believe that there could be some very high level military operations going on within The US to allow the people to see what is going on. Yes.
Speaker 2:I am speaking of Trump being a shadow president and is a possibility, and Biden may not have the keys to the US military and may just be put on display so everyone in America can actually see what's going on. So people aren't gonna wake up until it affects their bottom line, until it walks into their house. All these people out there that don't dig, they don't look for anything other than the surface level narrative, now they're starting to feel it in the groceries, in the rent, in the gas. It's it's coming into their home now and now they have something to say about it. So we can't tell people that there's corruption in The US.
Speaker 2:We have to show them. So I do believe that Trump is operating in a in a sense to show the people exactly what these corrupt individuals were planning to do. And I think he will step in and hopefully do what is necessary to move forward.
Speaker 1:Yes. Very good point. I mean, it to me, it's, you know, I've I've covered devolution a lot. Mhmm. I've, you know, kind of done a lot of deep dives into that.
Speaker 1:And my perspective has really through a lot of my own research, and I've followed Patel Patriot a lot, interviewed him. You know? Mhmm. Brilliant guy. Does fantastic research.
Speaker 1:But I I've, you know, I've come to the conclusion that I don't think that it's necessarily one extreme way or the other. I don't think that it's one scenario where, you know, Trump has this this plan and everything is under control. Mhmm. You know? But I also don't think it's the other thing where he just left with his tail between his legs, and he's done fighting.
Speaker 1:I mean, the fact that he's been so vocal about this and speaking out about this, I think that it indicates a lot. And I I'm sure that you know, I know that there's a lot of meetings between him and Putin, and he had, like, the passing of the soccer ball and all these very symbolic things. And so, you know, while I don't necessarily look to Putin as a strong ally necessarily, I think he could be. I think that, you know, one thing when people have asked me about, you know, Putin, I've said, look. I'm not gonna say he's a saint, but I think he's a nationalist.
Speaker 1:I think that he's trying to protect his people from the globalist creep. That's why he's not on the Rothschild banking system, for instance. Mhmm. He's trying to which I think is also why he is such a significant threat to the the deep state, I think similar to Xi Jinping in China. Now, granted, I think they're a very brutal communist regime, but I also think that they have the strength that if if you see that, say, it is Xi, you know, Xi, Putin, and Trump trying to counteract this global agenda.
Speaker 1:Now if you look at, you know, Xi Jinping, agenda. Now if you look at, you know, Xi Jinping, a lot of his aspirations, you know, he's been very open about the fact that he wants to rule the world basically in a communist system. And so it's not that I necessarily trust him because I I don't at all, but I also think that in this in the bigger bigger picture, the the evil of the this this globalist cabal of of entities, whatever you wanna call it, and their goals of of depopulation, you know, the one government, you know, everything you're seeing outlined in in the great reset, I think anybody fighting against that in a lot of ways, I think, is fighting on our side. And I I have to say that even if you listen to, you know, Trump's, you know, recent speech he gave, he's calling these things out specifically. He's really openly talking about the deep state that's in control of so many things and how important it is to fight, but also how we will fight and and win against these people.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, those are some excellent points. I I really like your perspective on that. Cool. So we are now at gosh. It's two fifty six.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna, in a few minutes, we're gonna jump over to a q and a. And, I've already got a handful of questions you folks have been asking. And this is I always love these q and a's because we, you know, obviously, we have our main train of conversation, but it's you get these things out of left field, which really make things interesting. Now the q and a is only gonna be over on Rise TV. As you saw me mention in the beginning, you know, Rise TV is literally what allows me to do this full time.
Speaker 1:I think from YouTube, I made $68 last month. That's about where I'm at with YouTube versus if I was a liberal channel, honestly, with a hundred some thousand followers, I'd probably be making $20 a month. And I'd say, okay. You know what? That's just how it is.
Speaker 1:I know a lot of people have YouTube accounts that are, you know, the same size as mine. They're making $15.20, $30,000 a month. So, again, you know, big tech, as you've experienced, they are trying to cancel us. That's why we built Rise TV. So if you wanna support, you know, what I'm doing and what other patriots that are involved in Rise TV are doing, come over and check it out.
Speaker 1:If you wanna stay, it's $10 a month. Otherwise, there's a free trial in the link below. It's a great way to support. And like I said, we will have a q and a over there. So for the folks that are already over there, I've been seeing your questions coming in.
Speaker 1:We've got a big list of them. We're gonna be digging into those. Now before we switch off the other feeds, Jacob, I wanna ask, where can people follow you? Because I I know I I follow you on Telegram, and you put out incredible information. And one thing is, folks, after the show, I'll share all of Jacob's information on my Telegram and my Truth social.
Speaker 1:But where do you recommend people go to follow you?
Speaker 2:Yes. So you can go to Telegram and follow me at bio clandestine. I also do have a Substack there, which you can subscribe to. It's bioclandestine.substack.com. And I just recently got a true social.
Speaker 2:Have not been able get in yet. You can find me at clandestine.
Speaker 1:Now, Jacob, if anybody wants to support you financially and and help you to push forward your research, is that something they can do through Substack? Is that where they can subscribe and
Speaker 2:Yes. So first and foremost, my information will always be free. There will never be a wall behind my information. Any subscription to my Substack is merely a donation. And I also do have my Cash App there as well if you'd like to donate just a one time donation.
Speaker 2:I did quit my job to move into doing this freelancing, I guess, investigative journalism. And I have been getting a little bit of money thus far, but it's not gonna be enough to pay my bills for much longer. So if you do wanna support me finding my dream of bringing you all valuable information and fighting this war, please help me out at my Substack or my Cash App. You can find the information in my pinned message on Telegram.
Speaker 1:Oh, great. I think it's it's just important for people to realize that, you know, they turn on Fox or any of, you know, their channels, and you've got Pfizer ads. You've got you know, we now it's been revealed that the Biden administration, you know, health and human services, is actually paying these media companies to push the jab. So, you know, these companies, they're they're making so much money because they've sold themselves to this system. And people like Jacob, myself, we refuse to do that.
Speaker 1:So, you know, audience support is incredible. So We appreciate that. So, alright. So, Dom, we can go ahead and end the streams on Rumble and Facebook and YouTube. And I think we're also on Twitch and DLive and all kinds of other ones.
Speaker 1:So let's go ahead and and end those streams. For those of you that wanna join us over on Rise TV, like I said, in the description below, there is a link for a free trial. You can come check it out. We do a lot of amazing things over there. It's a great community.
Speaker 1:So, Dom, just give heads up, when when we're clear on those, and we'll be good. So let's go ahead and jump over. I've already got some questions that are saved up that we can get to. Let me pull these up for you real quick. Okay.
Speaker 1:Alright. So, okay. So this is from, Supu and Sarj. They they both had a similar question, which is, I hate to ask this, but what did Trump know about the Ukraine bio labs, and what was his response? And that's actually a good question because it may makes me think, what Trump had to have been aware of this global bio lab program when he was president.
Speaker 1:So what do you think his response was?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a question I have had a tough time coming to grips with because, you know, if, like you said, devolution is in effect and the military is in control to some extent, they still allowed this to get out. Now the only possibility possibility about that would be the fact that maybe c nineteen is not real, but the deaths were counted as such via the PCR tests and perhaps every single death that we were told was not actually about COVID because, you know, the regular progression in which people die year over year didn't change. We didn't have an excess amount of deaths, proportionally. So perhaps maybe all of this was a hoax as Trump might have said.
Speaker 2:COVID didn't exist. Every single symptom was for COVID, even no symptoms. So it's very possible that they could have just fabricated the entire thing and counted every single person that died as COVID. But if Trump did know about this and allowed it to happen, I I don't know how I could rationalize that situation. I have to think that these were obviously black site laboratories which were conducting outside of congressional oversight.
Speaker 2:So I don't know if there'd be a way to hide it from Trump and military intelligence, but it's definitely a conversation to be had and one I do not know the answer to.
Speaker 1:It's also you know, one way of looking at it too is I think that people expected Trump to walk into the White House and drain the swamp in in four years or eight years, I think that very few of us, if if maybe even none of us, could have actually comprehended the size and the scale of the swamp. Mhmm. It wasn't I think it was easy, say, back in 2016, back in 2017, to look at that and think, okay. Let's get Pelosi out of there and all these corrupt politicians that need term limits. And, you know, you might think it's the DC Swamp, but what you realize is that draining the swamp, to do it successfully really means taking down the global cabal that's been in control of our world for a very, very long time that has trillions and trillions of dollars in the world's resources and technology.
Speaker 1:I mean, it was not an easy feat. So it could just be that there was just so much for him. I mean, he was fighting every day just to build a wall on the southern border. Right? Let alone being able to dismantle a a global criminal syndicate of BioLabs.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's it's difficult to, you know, put that much pressure on one man, obviously. You know, you had a team, everybody working together. But as you said, the depth in which this cabal is not just the politics, it's media, academia, pharma. Anything and everything that has any sort of value to these people, have infiltrated to some extent.
Speaker 2:So getting all of them out and also letting the people know that this corruption evil existed was the most difficult part because if we just locked up all these people, it'll be mass hysteria, mass uprisings. The the people that are responsible for these crimes are some people's heroes. They're viewed as the messiah of like, Obama, for example, is viewed as the messiah of the democratic movement. If we were to put him in jail, it would be mass chaos, mass uprising, civil war. So in order for people to accept this first, we have to paint the picture.
Speaker 2:We have to show them all the crimes. We have to affect their baseline. And once everyone has felt enough fire and they realize how evil this world is, then we can move forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I agree. Here's a here's a very good question along the similar lines. Actually, two questions I'll I'll bridge together. One is from Beachbum who says, it appears some of our politicians seem to be reluctant to check into the bio labs.
Speaker 1:Do you think some of them have connections to them? And if so, how? And then Sycamorea asked, how does the bio lab discovery tie into devolution? Devolution? That's a good question, which we've kind of talked about a little bit.
Speaker 1:Maybe you wanna touch on that a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Sure. So I'll I'll I'll start with the devolution one. The Biolab situation, if it was devolution, we said, you know, that the military is in control, but we didn't necessarily specify which military and if Trump is working with other militaries to expose deep state activities in different countries. So in this sense, Trump looks like he's not involved, but Putin's army is moving in and securing these things.
Speaker 2:So it looks because, you know, Trump were to move in and do all this, they'd call it a military coup, this, that, the other. They'd say Trump is a tyrannical militaristic dictator. So if devolution were to be in effect, that means that other countries would be in with Trump and Biden is not in control of the military and they know what they know fair and well that he's not and they're acting knowing that The US is not gonna retaliate and that their entire goal as a collective is to expose these crimes, against humanity and hopefully expose it to a point where it doesn't have to happen again.
Speaker 1:Here's a very good question, actually. I I love questions like this. This is from Marine's wife who says, what is your awakening story?
Speaker 2:That's a good one. I mean, my whole life, I always kinda knew that that something wasn't right. Nothing ever really made sense to me. I I've always one of those people that loves to dig and and I wanna know how everything works inside and out, frontwards and back, take it apart, put it back together. And I got very frustrated throughout my life that things didn't make sense.
Speaker 2:But around twenty eighteen, I believe I started following along and it was Devin Nunez and the released the memo pertaining to I don't know if everybody remembers that, the Mueller investigation. That's kind of where I got started on on the Internet and really started making waves was about the Mueller investigation and how, you know, the Russia conspiracy story was was all a lie. So I'd probably say 2017, '20 '18. Yeah. I'm I'm '29, so I haven't really been in this field for very long.
Speaker 1:I'm 35. So I think it's it's the, you know, we're the young folks that are, you know, fighting for the future, which is good. I think it's also good because you and I, we know how to research, we know how to go create social media accounts and, you know, do all that stuff because it's yeah. It is it's a very digital experience. And, yeah, it actually for me, it was it was well, the the the awakening process was a long one, and I had a very sore feeling, but it was really around 2017 that things really clicked, that we're seeing where things really hit.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Here's a good question from Stoney Kay. He says, why is there so much blind faith these days in science and authority?
Speaker 2:Propaganda. Plain and simple. We've been told since the dawn of time that, you know, the doctors are good. They're gonna do good things for you, which obviously I believe that. I was in the infantry.
Speaker 2:When you show up to, MEPS, not MEPS, you show up to Fort Benning and they do in processing for you. You get shot with about 11 needles. They don't tell you what's in it. They say get in line and start getting shots. And I've never once questioned any of it because I just trusted the medical field.
Speaker 2:I trusted the media because, you know, throughout all of history, we that's how we've got our information was from the media, the newspapers, the headlines. We never once for a second suggested that they couldn't be telling the truth. But now that there's significant evidence to show the opposite, now we don't know who we can trust and it's really created quite a maelstrom of lack of agreement on many, many different subjects, subjects, which has created this imbalance of truth and nobody's really sure what's going on. One side said the other side is committing treason, the other side is saying the other. So it's it's created quite an a difficult situation to navigate through, but it's propaganda.
Speaker 2:Propaganda. We've been lied to since the beginning.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I have to say I agree a %. It's I mean, what's interesting is that it's I mean, you know, propaganda is an easy term to encapsulate what it is. But if you go deeper, it's it's brainwashing. It's mind control.
Speaker 1:It's it's, you know, weapon grade CIA level technology of how to control the masses. And it's lot of it came over from the Nazis and Operation Paperclip post World War two. A lot of it goes back into the Soviet studies with Pavlov. I mean and this is we we have the whole idea of the mass formation psychosis that's emerging. It's it it goes so deep.
Speaker 1:And it's it's been happening for generations and generations and generations. This didn't start fifteen years ago. It didn't start when COVID started. It start when Trump got in. This has been a long, long process.
Speaker 1:Here's a Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:One more point of that. Sorry. Oh, yeah. Please. I did have another patriot reach out, and they're like, hey, man.
Speaker 2:Like, I'm an older guy. My entire life, I've been told the Russians are are bad. They're the Ruskies. You're you're a commie. You're terrible.
Speaker 2:He's like, it's really difficult moving past something you've been told all day, every day for your entire life. So like you pointed to that, it's a mass brainwashing, mass formation psychosis. It it all ties into that, and it's really disturbing once you realize how deep all this goes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know, it's very interesting you mentioned because I had a patriot reach out to me in a conversation, say the exact same thing. And we're talking and she was like, Seth, you know, my entire life she's a little bit older. She goes, my entire life, it was always like the, you know, the red Soviet. It was it was Russia.
Speaker 1:That was the enemy. You know, during the Cold War, you know, the the the scare of that. And so it's like it's like I have such a hard time believing that Putin is Putin isn't just some maniacal evil, you know, communist. And and it was and I had a long talk with her. I said, look.
Speaker 1:I I know it's it's difficult, but it was it's it's incredible that a person, whether it's this person or the person you talk to, they can recognize that. You know, that's that's a key that I think a lot of people don't have anymore where they can say, wow. You know, what you said is really conflicting with my core beliefs and my it challenges my perception of reality, but I'm willing to go into it deeper. And that's why I think is really, really important. And that's why think kind of going into how we finish the the, you know, the talk with our, you know, just conversation before the q and a.
Speaker 1:When I asked you about that, you said just keep questioning things. And that's the thing is and I forget there was a quote from somebody. It was one of the the presidents or I forget who said something to the effect of, it's the mark of an intelligent mind intelligent man to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. Right? To be able to put something into your mind and and kinda swish it around your mind like you're gargling almost and then be able to spit it out but at least experience it.
Speaker 1:I think for a lot of people it's like they that cognitive dissonance kicks in and they're just like I can't accept that like that's too far outside of of what I believed and it's almost as if this their reality would shatter if they accepted it.
Speaker 2:Yes. And they they know this, and some people are not strong enough to take that leap and question their predisposed reality, which has been fed to them. And like you said, that's the most important thing. You don't have to get everything right away. If you have the desire to look for it, to search, to move past the surface level, then you're gonna find everything.
Speaker 2:It might not be overnight. It might be three years. It might be ten. But the fact that you're willing to look is all that really matters.
Speaker 1:Here's a very good question that I think is the extension of that. This is from Metal Avenger. Thank you, Metal Avenger. You always ask great questions. He says, how can each one of cause the distraction that you mentioned referring to the, you know, the the distraction to the deep state?
Speaker 1:How can I put a tree on the tracks of their great reset train?
Speaker 2:You have to recognize their patterns and get out in front of them before they establish a narrative about it. So for example, I wrote this thread about three hours into the initial missile strikes before they were able to establish a narrative about it. Granted, this was kind of like a one off situation. I had like this Jimmy Neutron esque brain blast and, but it's going into their echo chambers and providing the opposite argument. So everyone's like, why are you still on Twitter?
Speaker 2:Why are you using that stupid China TikTok app? I don't want to use those apps. That's where the normies or the whatever you'd like to call them, the noncritical thinkers, that's where they are located. And my war is not with preaching to the same people that are awake to these realities. My war is waking up more people so we can actually make a difference and make a change.
Speaker 2:So if you wanna make an impact, you gotta go into enemy territory. You gotta go into Twitter. You gotta go into TikTok. You gotta go into the NBC page, CNN page. You gotta be combative with these people in a information sense and fight back on the narrative.
Speaker 1:That's a it's a really great point, actually. I also get a lot of, you know, a lot of resistance, and people are pretty upset because I still I still happen to be on YouTube, which is funny because some people, they think I'm CIA because I'm still on YouTube. It's like, what is I I don't, like, openly say election was stolen. The Jads are killing people. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:That's why I love Rise TV because I can talk like that. But the you know, but it's like people say, why are you even supporting those commie things? Like, well, because, like, Rumble's an echo chamber. Telegram is an echo chamber.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And, you know, we have to, like, spur on the great awakening. We have to awaken people. That's even that's why I try to approach the content the way that I do. I'm not on here and saying, oh, those dumb libtards. I mean, I'm trying to talk in a way that someone can say, hey.
Speaker 1:You know, mom, you should watch this guy talk about this thing. And, you know, and and it's because it's just it's really important we have to reach across the aisle. I wanna comment on something else that you mentioned, which I think is actually really important, is being able understand what they're gonna do before they do it. And this is something that's very important, and and it's interesting because there you know, I think, actually, the Twitter handle got, you know, got banned, but there was an Alex Jones was right, I think it was called, Twitter handle, where they're basically publishing all the things that Alex Jones was saying because he's been, you know, predicting these things for a very long time. A year ago, he said there's gonna be a war in, you know, there's gonna be a war in February 2022.
Speaker 1:He predicted, you know, a lot of these things. Now I also think I'm not sure where he gets some of his information. Some might be fed to him from sources that we don't have access to. But when people ask, like, how do you know these things? He goes, like, I read it.
Speaker 1:Like, I read it. He's like, they're they tell you if you're looking, they will tell you everything that they're going to do. And it it's absolutely the truth. I mean, look, I've got sitting right here, you know, the fourth industrial revolution, Klaus Schwab. Right?
Speaker 1:I've got, you know, the great reset Klaus Schwab. I've got the declassifier the reset Klaus Schwab. I've got the declassifier the the leaked Chinese military documents. Right? So they they talk about what they're going to do because I think that that's also an important part of this and to, you know, answer my my own way for metal avenger as well that we have to know what's coming so we can prepare for it.
Speaker 1:And if you look at what's happening right now, there are going to be global food shortages. There's going to be, global fuel shortages. There's gonna be hyper hyperinflation. There's gonna be, you know, pushing more towards a kind of digital ID where if you wanna get groceries from the bread line, you're gonna have to have your vaccine passport with you. And so, you know, I think that's also a way of how to fight this is to get outside of their system, to be a person that they can't control.
Speaker 1:Because if you look at the the rollout of the vaccine in America and all the people that may not have wanted to get the vaccine, but they were forced to because they said, you know what? If I don't get the vaccine, I'll lose my job. Well, maybe if you would've seen that coming, say, six months or a year, like, remember at the beginning of COVID or being a COVID saying, this is gonna lead to mandatory vaccines. And people were like, you're stupid. You're crazy.
Speaker 1:Right? But if you would have seen it coming, you could have said, you know what? I gotta start a business. I gotta start figuring out a different way of supporting my family because my cushy corporate job at a bank is not gonna last.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. That's that's actually exactly what I did. I was working for a corporate, winery in the from scratch kitchen, and my general manager was this, that, the other quoting Fauci and and Cuomo every single day. He's saying, you gotta get the vaccine.
Speaker 2:And I pushed I was the only one to push back. I was was like, you probably should not be giving us medical advice as you're not a medical professional. And that was taken as pure blasphemy. And since that day, they were trying to work me out. So I found my way out and I started, you know, generating my own form of income.
Speaker 2:I've been working remote jobs so I don't have to have any reason for a vaccine because I'm not taking part in this game. Like you said, I'm a I'm a different individual. I don't take part in the system and I'm going to rebel. And I'm gonna dig my boots into the ground, and I'm not gonna relent. So that's that's an excellent point.
Speaker 2:You've really gotta push it, and you you can't give in just because you think that it's gonna be easier off. You have to stand for your morals and your values.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Amen, brother. Here's a good question from chicken coop lady who always has a great question. A fellow I met her out in, one of the I think it's Texas, one of the events out in Texas at one of the the reawaken America tours. And she's like, I have because I I raise chickens, and I talk about it a lot.
Speaker 1:She's like, I have chickens. And so I was like, you should join Rise TV or make your name Chicken Coupe. That way I know it's always you. So, anyway, so she says, I've heard there were labs that Putin couldn't bomb because that would release the bioweapons slash next pandemic housed there. Was Putin strategic in taking certain labs out and capturing others?
Speaker 2:I definitely believe so. So, luckily, I do have a little bit of experience in the military, and I do know about thermonuclear. We have thermo bombs which can eradicate at such high temperatures that we could precision strike and nothing would live. So say if it's an airborne or a waterborne pathogen, if there's no hosts anywhere immediately for them to move to, it's gonna die. And also the levels of temperature are gonna eradicate any of those pathogens.
Speaker 2:Now I believe there are quite a few that Putin did not actually target and he probably just targeted military installations around the lab so he can move in and obtain them so he could provide the evidence to move forward. I don't know the extent or the exact locations or which one. We can't get any true news out of Ukraine to save our lives with Ghost of Kyiv and Snake Island, and the list goes on and on of all the fake news coming out of Ukraine. But, yes, there was strategy involved. Putin had a plan.
Speaker 2:He knew exactly what he was doing, and he said from the beginning, this is not war. This is a special military operation. And it appears that the reason for that solely, maybe not solely, but mainly was to expose these biological research facilities.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I I agree. Here's another question from her, and she says, the left hates America. Now we're finding out that The US is involved in all this horrific stuff. How would you talk to someone who already hates The United States about this?
Speaker 1:Can they be red pilled?
Speaker 2:Can I red pill someone on the left that hates America? Is that what
Speaker 1:you're guess, like, you know, for someone that already has a great distrust for our country and maybe for the elites and, you know, who they perceive to be the elites. I guess, how can we use this as a a red pill opportunity for someone like that?
Speaker 2:Well, that's really a skill you have to develop. I've actually gotten really good at that, especially in my threads that I write. I write them in small digestible chunks that make sense. You don't wanna have too much information. You wanna have your sources and you don't wanna use those buzzwords that automatically turn them off.
Speaker 2:Like you said, like, don't say stuff like Libtard or the leftist, this, the other. You just wanna present the facts and the evidence, and you wanna play off of things that they know or you're aware that they're into. Like, for example, some leftists think that, you know, they're anarchists and they don't want any government involvement at all. So they're definitely a good target for which you could try to introduce this information to them, but you can't glorify Trump. As soon as they you hear anything about Trump, they're just gonna shut it down.
Speaker 2:So you just have to write about the facts, and present it in a way that's easy, digestible, and shareable.
Speaker 1:That's I have to read this comment. This is hilarious. This is from Supu. She says, I think I'm freaking out the cabinet guy listening to all this. Maybe he will wake up.
Speaker 1:That's probably some guy installing cabinets since hearing this background conversation about the BioLabs and the deep Oh, man. That's good. Oh, that's very good. You know, and all those are actually that's really important, and I I agree. And I'll add my own perspective with that is I think that it's about finding common ground.
Speaker 1:And I think that, you know, one thing that I say to people is it's like they'll say, you know, especially if they're more leftist, I'll say, look. I think I think the Republicans are extremely corrupt. So I think that they're all corrupt, actually. Like, I think it's not as not as my side or not as your side. I think that they're all really corrupt.
Speaker 1:And this could be also there's there's that perspective on this of saying, look. Here's an example. You know, like, this was Bush. This is Bush just as much as it was Obama, just as much as it was Clinton. If you trace these things back, you can see it just as much as it was Bush senior.
Speaker 1:So that's one thing. But also looking at I think that these are opportunities to show the crack in the media narrative. And remember when the Rittenhouse situation was happening, and there were a lot of people that literally thought that Kyle Rittenhouse was going around shooting black people at a BLM riot.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And then they realized the truth was he actually killed three white guys, right, or two white. I forget the the specifics up by now.
Speaker 2:But shot three killed them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yep. You're right. So that was oh, yeah. You're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So that was a a very big moment for people to be like, oh, you mean? So this could be a good example of it's like, look. The media's come out. Even the government, even Jen Psaki is coming out and saying, no.
Speaker 1:This is propaganda. This is a lie. It's like, but maybe you print out something. Look. Actually, here's a a printout.
Speaker 1:This is a copy of the contract from, you know, these this particular, you know, lab in Odessa where the Department of Defense is listed at the as the benefactor for this. You know, this is one of those instances where you can say, look. Like, it's there's not a whole lot of opportunities. Like, you know, with COVID, for instance, there's so much out there. And you could say, well, here's proof of this.
Speaker 1:They say, well, that doctor's already debunked it, and you're just a conspiracy theorist. This is a good example, I think, where there's this information that's out there that is really cracks the narrative. And once you see it, there's really no way for them to say, well, I still believe the media or I still believe what the White House is saying.
Speaker 2:Well, there are many people are certainly going to go with their preconceived narrative and are not willing to entertain any other possibilities. But like you said, it's definitely a good opportunity to bring forth this information. For example, when Snopes, Politifact USA Today, and NBC began doing their hit piece articles on me about my thread and about the theory, I had myself and my followers go to all their pages and just post the biological threat reduction program in Ukraine. That's it. And then it's not about, you know, waking them up.
Speaker 2:They're obviously asleep. It's about the people that come to the page, and they're looking for this information. The first thing they see is the proof debunking these, fact checkers. So it's very important for us to be in those echo chambers and combat the narrative that's that's being talked about and provide the proof to discredit those discrediting us.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. No. That's I I agree as as well. And it's funny because, you know, you're entering into enemy territory too.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, I think there's a lot of people that are questioning. I think that we have to give a lot more credit to people that we think are maybe lost or sheeple that, especially now, they're questioning. And so, you know, they might come across that little post in comments where it's like, wow. Hey. You're right.
Speaker 1:There's actually like, that's a link to these exact documents that prove their entire narrative is is a lie. Here's a another good question from Maureen's wife who asked she asked very good questions. She says, after constant information unloading, is it normal for one's emotions to almost go flat?
Speaker 2:Yes. I can tell you personally, I feel that. I almost feel adrift. I'm exhausted. I've been fighting this intellectual and spiritual war for for years now, and I'd very much like for it to be over.
Speaker 2:But for me, I'm I'm a warrior and and this is an information war and I'm not gonna sit idly by and allow evil to descend. And when all is said and done and the dust settles, I'm gonna be able to tell my family, look them in the eye and say that I gave everything I could to prevent this from happening and to fight back against evil. Yeah. Can't give up.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That I'd say that's what keeps me going is that I I think, yeah, the I think you do become desensitized, especially when you start to realize especially when you start to realize just the amount of evil that exists in the world. It's easy to feel overwhelmed by that or to feel like, you know, how can we ever win or to even feel let down. It's like it's like maybe it's like when you find out, you know, growing up that one of your heroes was actually a drug addict that was abusing his wife. Right?
Speaker 1:He's your favorite celebrity or whatever. Gets, you know, the DUI picture. It's like, oh my gosh. I can't imagine doing that. That's it's like that times a million Yeah.
Speaker 1:To realize that. But also but something that has helped me a lot is that the more I've realized the depth of the evil in this world, I've also realized the height of the good in this world. And as much as I've seen some very dark and evil things and realized the depravity that exists, you know, especially as you get into human trafficking, child sex trafficking, some of those things, it's it's hard. It's hard to look at that stuff.
Speaker 2:Stomach.
Speaker 1:It it really is. But then when you when you meet the people that are fighting against that or you you see that kind of goodness and, also, I think that makes you appreciate the goodness of humanity as well. I think that that to me is is it's incredible, and it helps overcome that just that lack of that that that coldness that can grow into you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it also you know, as we've been labeled conspiracy theorists and and treated as lepers for talking about these sorts of things, it allows that sense of camaraderie that we're missing. So the reason why so many people are addicted to the mainstream narrative is because they think that's what everyone else is doing and the human greatest fear is being alone. So the fact that we have so many people pitching in, willing to fight, and willing to go against the narrative, it it it definitely has a sense of of camaraderie and and support and a little bit of hope little bit of hope that we might just come out of this thing if all of us work together.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I agree. So let's see. It's 03/28. We've got we'll have one more question.
Speaker 1:I also wanted to quickly welcome a class of classy native four eighty who says that she's a new member of Rise TV. So thank you for for that classy native. It's a classy name. Welcome to Rise. I also wanna say for anybody that has dropped in and is just trialing out Rise TV, thank you so much for taking that first leap.
Speaker 1:Make sure you poke around, check out what we're doing here. I do these right now, I'm doing Monday or so I'm doing Tuesdays and Thursdays, the one hour show with the half hour interviews or q and a. It's just a solo show for me every, you know, those two days. I'll be working on actually moving towards a five day a week production where I'm doing, you know, two hour live shows every day, in addition to some other have you know, much more produced content. So we've got a lot of stuff coming in the pipeline.
Speaker 1:So, I just I thank all of you that come. I hope you stick around because it really supports what we're doing. And so last question. Actually, here's a a funny one, but kind of a frightening one. This is from straight d w b j b.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure what that means, but who says, is Zelensky a Nazi?
Speaker 2:I don't have any evidence to directly prove that. I do know that he was an actor and he is controlled by someone, but he also did have that questionable insignia on his shirt that Fox News decided to cover up. But if I don't see why you would publicly put that out there. So I I do not know, but it's certainly worth looking into as is everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And there's certainly it's it's astounding the more you start digging into this. There is a a deep, deep Nazi presence in Ukraine. And it's actually and this is a whole other story, but it's not just you know, Nazi is more of a a contemporary term, and that was really the thirties and forties. But if you if you dig deep, the Ukraine, in a lot of ways, was the heart of the Khazarian mafia, which goes back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.
Speaker 1:Like, actually, I wanna do a show specifically on the Khazarian mafia and how they've evolved over the years because it it paints a very different picture of Ukraine. And Ukraine isn't just this little country that's been sitting there for a long time. Like, it has a deep history, and it goes into it's intertwined with one of the biggest, most dangerous criminal gangs in the entire history of of humanity.
Speaker 2:For sure. And our media has been very, very different about how they report about Ukraine up until about a month ago.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Well, Jacob, this has been a fantastic interview. I really appreciate you coming on the show. Like I said to everybody, I will share your information on my telegram, you know, where people can follow you and your substack and everything. And just yeah.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for taking the leap and and doing this. I I'm very confident you're gonna get a lot of support from people, and you're gonna be able to just keep pushing ahead with this. And just don't stop, man. Like, let's let's work on this together. I'll share resources if I have any I come across because, you know, this is the this is the front lines of the information war.
Speaker 1:And it's it's it's great to have you, fighting this war because you're a brilliant man.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it, my friend. It's been a pleasure. And I do have one last statement. Mister Trump, if you're watching, I would like a job. I don't care to what event, to what I have to do.
Speaker 2:I just wanna work for you. I'm valuable. You know where to find me.
Speaker 1:Great. Awesome. Well, if I happen to see him, I'll let him know that as well.
Speaker 2:Just just poke him a little bit for me.
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, thank you, man. And thank you, everyone, who's watched. As if you remember last time, I don't have a my outro scene yet. So I I gotta put the starting soon thing on because we've got about a minute latency built into the stream for quality.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna go ahead and end with that. But, yeah, thank you, everybody. And then tune in next Thursday, this coming Thursday at 02:00, and I'll be I'll be digging into something crazy like this. So, anyway, yeah, Jacob, thanks again, and we'll be in touch. Take care, man.
Speaker 2:Of course. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:All right. Bye bye.