Dr. Robert Malone Exposes Military Grade Weapons Being Used Against Us

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Seth Holehouse: 00:01

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Bullhaus. So if you look back over the past couple of years, maybe at the beginning of COVID, you thought this is just a coincidence, but as it continued on and on, especially if you're a watcher or regular listener of this show, you would probably come to conclusion that we are at war. And it's very obvious that all of this is part of a bigger picture that really aims to enslave mankind under the power of some global elite group, which, you know, is very confusing to us. But the if you you kind of drill down to what it really is, it's actually something called fifth generation warfare.

Seth Holehouse: 00:41

And joining us to talk about this today is Doctor. Robert Malone, someone who's been on the forefront of exposing this agenda, but also someone who's really helping people understand what fifth generation warfare is, how we can combat it, who the enemies are, and so much more. So this is gonna be a fantastic but also important discussion about where we're at and how to get out of this. But before we jump into the interview, folks, make sure you're following me on social media, most places Maninamerica and on Twitter, it's maninamericaus. Every show is also put up as a podcast.

Seth Holehouse: 01:17

So if you prefer to listen instead of watching, you can find those podcasts. Just go to your favorite app like Spotify or Apple Podcasts or Podbean, search for Man in America and you'll find the podcast there. Alright, folks, let's go ahead and jump right into this interview with Doctor. Robert Malone. Alright, Doctor.

Seth Holehouse: 01:33

Malone, it is such an honor to have you on the show today. Thank you for coming on.

Speaker 2: 01:40

It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me and thanks for the chance to talk to you today and learn from you and also to talk to your audience.

Seth Holehouse: 01:47

Absolutely. So, there's a lot that we could talk about, but it was actually, there's a speech that you presentation you'd given recently in Stockholm that was about five g warfare and sovereignty. And that's that's where my mind tends to want to go in these these discussions, especially with people that have such a wide knowledge of this subject as you do. Because, you know, when I when, you know, my wife and I, we've been following this and tracking this for quite some time, just the overall attack on humanity. And then, you know, as I mentioned before the show, I've had done a lot of work with Epoch Times.

Seth Holehouse: 02:23

And so I was very familiar with the especially the communist infiltration and subversion and attack, you know, that they've been playing out with unrestricted warfare. And so when COVID hit, you know, very early on, was it was a way it was really obvious is, okay, this is definitely this isn't just a pandemic and and the government's, you know, kind of altruistic response to a pandemic. You know, I saw a lot of the markings of psychological warfare and, but then it was also leading me to think, okay, where does this lead to? Who's behind it? What are the the tools and mechanisms?

Seth Holehouse: 02:58

And the presentation you gave in Stockholm, I think was just gave a a brilliant overview of this. And so how about we just start with, you know, you explaining, you know, for folks, what is five g warfare?

Speaker 2: 03:13

First off, this has nothing to do with cell towers. A lot of people get confused. The it's it's an abbreviation of fifth generation, is what the five g stands for. And to call it really a generation of warfare is a little bit of a mess misnomer that's really a gradient of warfare. And you can think of of, first generation warfare as sticks and stones and and, swords and and, bows and arrows and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2: 03:46

Second generation being a gunpowder fired kinetic weapons. So the civil war was kind of the apogee of second generation warfare where you still had large battle lines and you had centralized control, top down control all the way down to the corporal. So the the commander or the commander in chief would give their directions to the general, and then that would be propagated down through the line in classic, second gen. In third generation warfare, we we move into what happened in World War two and the innovations of the German army. And one of the key innovations there was they're still using kinetic weapons.

Speaker 2: 04:30

They're still fighting over physical territory and acquisition of physical territory. But in that case, the innovation was to give operational command down to the battlefield, you know, lieutenant, colonel level so that battle units like Rommel's tanks, for example, had a lot of operational latitude. And that enabled the blitzkrieg and the Luftwaffe actions, which were able to quickly neutralize the Banchenot line in France, etcetera, through largely not through superior weaponry, but through superior tactics. Fourth generation is what we see with Al Qaeda, or you could make the case, the Viet Cong. We've seen it in Syria.

Speaker 2: 05:29

We've seen multiple skirmishes that are basically a response to the overwhelming asymmetry in warfare now with having one dominant superpower largely, although that's, being challenged now by other up and comings. And you mentioned China is, you know, notable in that case. So fourth gen involves, still kinetic weapons, still explosives, the, roadside bombs, the but it's combined with a strong propaganda component and increasing emphasis on persuading people's minds and and modifying their emotions and doing so in a subtle decentralized way so that, for instance, in the modern Al Qaeda, there's no clear leader with the, with the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Al Qaeda operates as semi autonomous cells that receive general, strategic direction, you know, basically, to paraphrase, kill Americans, just for an example. And then the individual pods that are fully autonomous act on that to enable the objective.

Speaker 2: 06:43

So that's, you know, the ad hoc roadside bomber, whatever actions may occur. That turns out to be really, really difficult for a centralized command based military to respond to, and I argue that, with the possible exception of Nicaragua, and that's really, out on the fringes, the United States military and really NATO has not been able to win any fourth generation warfare conflict. They've been beaten every single time, and Afghanistan, of course, is the most notable recent example, Vietnam being one of the first examples. Fifth generation warfare was designed to respond to this new threat environment, and in five g warfare, it's fully enabled by the Internet and by social media in particular. A lot of people are very naive about what social media tools really are.

Speaker 2: 07:41

Twitter is not just it really isn't a business so much as it is a weapon as well as being a battlefield. And we can go into that in a minute, but it's kinda crucial to understand the meaning of that. In fifth generation warfare, there's some key parameters. One of them is, ideally, you're never aware of who your opponent is. That should be the goal of of the aggressor in fifth generation warfare is to completely mask their presence.

Speaker 2: 08:10

You talk about the CCP as a great example of that. Most people are completely unaware of the hostile activities of the CCP, both within The United States and globally. They do it through a variety of subtle infiltration methods, cooptation, and in a variety of intelligence, methods that compromise the target in various ways. And, you know, we can many of those are widely understood. Many are much more subtle.

Speaker 2: 08:41

Money is an obvious one. Sex, honey traps, etcetera, are are another one that's widely used, but there are many, many other methods that can be used to co opt someone. And in in fifth generation warfare, the battlefield is no longer over territory. It's not about acquiring territory so much as it's about persuading, the population, the the, the opponent's population, injecting in ideas, emotions, information without that the opponent even being aware that it's being done, even being aware that they're being manipulated. And to subtly craft narratives and, as I said, emotions, behaviors through a variety of means that largely involve manipulation of information or what we would call propaganda.

Speaker 2: 09:39

Of course, prop propaganda has always existed in warfare, but in fifth generation warfare, propaganda becomes the endpoint, the convincing of your you and your peers and colleagues without your even being aware that you're being convinced of whatever the thing is that is being promoted. And we all virtually all, not only the CCP, but all of the NATO nations have, deep capabilities in this area of psyops, it's often called, or, psy warfare, meaning psychological. And, in The United States, for instance, we have a brigade, based in Fort Bragg that is derived from the original Ghost Army that, did such an effective PSYOPs job against the German military prior to the invasion in Normandy by using things like blow up tanks and recordings of the sound of artillery moving, etcetera. This was used, effectively by the US army in this ghost army campaign that gave rise to that brigade. In The UK, it's called the seventy seventh brigade, and there's actually members of parliament who were part of that.

Speaker 2: 11:00

Some of the most per pervasive, psyops military, capabilities and are are reside within the Five Eyes Alliance, so in in the West, at least, that is. So that would be New Zealand, Australia, Canada, United States, and The United Kingdom, And that this integrates directly with their intelligence community. And all of these organizations this is really a case can be made one of the most robust and longest lasting, intelligence cooperatives in the world right now, and, they all have reciprocal relationships. So for instance, if the CIA is prohibited from certain activities in The United States, or MI five is prohibited against activities they might perform against civilians in Great Britain, well, the CIA can step in and perform the activity necessary with the British citizens and vice versa, and then they could exchange information. So that's the basic landscape.

Speaker 2: 12:14

It's a war not over territory, but it's a war based on use of propaganda, psychological operations, psychological manipulation for your mind, your thoughts, your very emotions. And the point about sovereignty is that we have certain assumptions that we have individual sovereignty here in the West and particularly in The United States because of the Bill of Rights. But my point on that is what does sovereignty even mean when the government is deploying military grade SIOPs, capabilities on a civilian population where they're manipulating everything that you think, everything that you encounter in terms of information, and actively manipulating your emotions. The whole concept of having individual sovereignty then becomes almost irrelevant, an anachronism. It's it's obsolete because you what you think is your, personal sovereignty, what you think are your personal beliefs are actually being very actively managed and manipulated.

Speaker 2: 13:28

Looping back to Twitter as just one example, and and it's a particularly good one now that we have these various Twitter file releases, whether or not mister Musk intended that this was gonna be an outcome of his purchase, It is absolutely one of the key outcomes for most of us. People don't recognize that Twitter is absolutely a psyops weapon and, was deployed as such in a way that our military often has done in the past. For instance, the, Southeast Asian, conflicts, the Vietnam War, Cambodia, etcetera, were largely intended as a proving ground for rotary wing aircraft. This was part of the justification for engaging in that theater of war is to test out that new technology and further develop it. And in the case of, Twitter as a weapon and other social media weapons, they were deployed during Arab Spring, and that was a major test bed for Twitter.

Speaker 2: 14:32

And, what people don't recognize, they often personalize things like shadow banning. Oh, I've been shadow banned. Those naughty people at Twitter, look what they've done to us. Most of that is algorithmic. Obviously, we have some specific targeting, and we now see that through the Twitter files.

Speaker 2: 14:52

But most of it has to do with the fact that, within any of these social media platforms, your web of relationships is very carefully mapped. So it's well known who you interact with, how you influence them, how much you influence them. That's part of why they're able to track retweets and things like that. That's all information about, that teaches about how influential you are or I am within a network of individuals who then also touch on other individuals and touch on other individuals. All that is mapped, and those relationships are known.

Speaker 2: 15:35

And the actual emotional content in the words that you're using has all been, extracted, statistically so that the emotional content of what you're putting out, your state of mind, is known by the words that you use and how you use them in the context that you use them. And your impact in terms of that kind of emotional content is mapped also against statistically, you know, standard errors and all that kind of stuff, to say, who are you impacting? How are you impacting them? And so by modulating who gets to hear who, a, a large body of contacts of, of individuals can be modified and manipulated so that they're hearing and feeling things, based on what they're allowed to encounter. So that's why shadow banning and also the paradoxical increase that you might find, you know, suddenly, boy, I don't get it.

Speaker 2: 16:42

How come that tweet went viral? Well, often that's because the floodgates were opened because you were saying something that for whatever reason some algorithm wanted to allow that to be said, and, it propagates through the population. So all of this that we think is personal is really not personal at all. It's all part of the psychological manipulation and the toolkit of this incredibly powerful weapon. Obviously, Facebook is also very powerful, but mostly for 50 and older women.

Speaker 2: 17:17

Sorry to be, stereotyping. And, of course, the you were mentioning the CCP, and and we have WeChat and TikTok and those types of applications that are taking this even further where they're mapping information about your facial expressions. They're capturing that. They're capturing all kinds of information and feeding that back. All of this is mapped and shipped out to China these days, including all this information about our children.

Seth Holehouse: 17:48

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Seth Holehouse: 18:18

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Seth Holehouse: 19:38

It's frightening and gosh, I've got a handful of questions, but you know, one of the questions and as I've tried to understand this is, you know, for me that the one of the first big things in framing what's happening is understanding that we are at war, right? Because when if, you know, if we had say the Nazis with, you know, boats off of our coast and they were invading, the way that we'd be living our lives and reacting would be very different, right? And I think that part of this is, you know, part of the five gs war mechanism and part of unrestricted warfare, you know, from the CCP perspective is us not even knowing we're at war. Like that's the great, you have the greatest advantage if your enemy doesn't even know it's at war against you.

Speaker 2: 20:17

Sun Tzu, makes this classic art of war.

Seth Holehouse: 20:20

Exactly. And so when I think about that's okay, well we think about traditional wars in the past, okay, it was The US versus the Soviet Union. It was the, you know, say the, you know, this part of the, you know, the Allies versus the Nazis. It was a lot of times countries fighting for country, you know, fighting other countries. And so those countries would deploy against the citizens of that other country, whether it's dropping leaflets over in The Middle East, and you know, whatever it is, they had the different various weapons.

Seth Holehouse: 20:49

But I think that right now it seems like what we're entering into is a period where the war is no longer country versus country, but it's actually a war of various groups of power elite groups, you know, CCP, the WEF, you know, and I want to get your opinion on some of those things as well. But it feels like it's now it is a war of this a centralized global enemy versus the people in every part of the world. Like it just feels like it's a different war. So it's no longer a country to country, but it's actually like we're now at war against these elites that want to enslave us basically. I mean, is that is that is that the right way of understanding what kind of war we're in right now?

Speaker 2: 21:36

I don't know that there's a right way and a wrong way. You're touching on is so this is one of the challenges. Once you once you enter this space, it becomes extremely difficult to discern truth and reality. There there are no barriers. There's no rules of engagement.

Speaker 2: 22:00

There are no ethical barriers. We see this, for instance, with how the press behaves, the corporate media. They will say and do anything to support the agenda of whoever their masters are, and we can speculate about that. Many of us that have been thinking about this, probably including yourself, are perplexed. Who is that puppet master or those puppet and, of course, that is one of the objectives in five g warfare is that one is never aware of who those puppet masters are, and it may well be that it's a coalition or a loose coalition, or it could be that it's an emergent phenomena where you're having so many different variables all at the same time interacting that is yielding a a kind of a set of vectors that are driving us towards a a rather unpleasant future, so it would seem.

Speaker 2: 22:55

But we do have the written documents. We have the artifacts or the receipts from the likes of the World Economic Forum. They're actually remarkably transparent about what they do and what their plans are and what their plans have been for many years. And we have also the historic record going back to Orwell and and before Huxley's brother in in the found in the founding of a lot of the, UN related organizations. This the the UN Charter originally is one that envisions basically a one world order, a globalist, reality, and and all of this is wrapped in a belief system that happens to align very well with the China model, but in some ways precedes it even, and and is absolutely grounded in the logic of a command economy and in utilitarianism.

Speaker 2: 23:56

It seems like the modern embodiment is, wrapped around the idea that the reason why command economies, or we might call it Marxism, has failed in the past is not that it's intrinsically flawed, but rather they just didn't have enough data and technology. And if they could only have enough data and technology, then they could truly optimize the system for the greatest good for the greatest number so that we would all contribute according to our abilities and be rewarded according to our needs. I think that is basically if you if you look through the the language of the WEF and, in many ways, the CCP, except the CCP is even more well, I I don't know. I haven't I haven't really spent a lot of time thinking about the parallels. But in the case of the CCP, you have an elite, clearly, that is the communist party members, and that elite competes internally but is exclusionary.

Speaker 2: 25:01

It it it has its privileges that don't extend to the rest of the population. And a case can be made that the thousand member, World Economic Forum, which I argue is essentially a trade organization of the largest companies and richest people in the world, really kind of functions in a similar fashion. It's a somewhat closed elite. And like the CCP, they have trainees that, they elevate to different levels as they work their way up the ladder, and whatever the criteria are, we're not really allowed to know. And they have an initiation program that they call the young leaders program.

Speaker 2: 25:41

It's a five year training program. And then once the initiates have, assimilated that, that frame of reference, I'm choosing words carefully, then they are using the language of Claus Schwab and and the WEF. They are placed in strategic positions throughout industry and government in whatever the target, state is, and and this has been extremely successful. I think a strong case can be made that, Canada and New Zealand, at least, if not Australia also, have become client states of the World Economic Forum without a shot being fired using this kind of, infiltration strategy. We are we are at significant risk, and and I share your point of view on that.

Speaker 2: 26:32

We are in an environment of warfare that's that's completely unrestricted. It crosses all boundaries of information and, sociology and psychology and economic warfare and, kinetic warfare at the edges. In particular, kinetic warfare involving, small strike force and other surreptitious activities. This has become a major focus of the Pentagon is, SOCOM, special operations command, and the development of these small strike teams. We hear about them idolized in the media as seals, etcetera.

Speaker 2: 27:17

But this this is what The United States largely believes is the future of warfare, these small, strike teams that can be placed to, address a given need. Obviously, the the fly in the ointment there is, the heavy tanks in Ukraine. Ukraine is is kinda going against the curve there and is really more a hybrid third, fourth generation warfare with some fifth g five g over over overtones, but, you know, it's obviously very much a kinetic war. And part of this new warfare also, of course, is the biowarfare. And that is a very, very torturous landscape also in which the language, like with all of this, language is actively manipulated and used to justify a variety of different types of activities.

Speaker 2: 28:18

We saw Pfizer doing this, the other day with the project Veritas drop. Oh, we're not doing gain of function research, we're doing directed evolution. Well, if read the U. S. Government's definition of gain of function research, I would say that directed evolution is a subset of gain of function research.

Speaker 2: 28:39

It's, it's wordplay. It's very Orwellian, and it's it's become the norm. We we now clearly live in an environment in which our government and most Western governments don't have any any barriers to spreading mis or disinformation. They do it avidly and routinely, And they do it through a variety of channels, not the least of which is corporate media, and they're completely unapologetic about it. They're pretty much in your face.

Speaker 2: 29:18

It's it's when you're in it and dealing with it on on social media and the corporate media and these other platforms, and, of course, podcasts and alternative media is is like the new gorilla strategy in the face of all this. It's it's folks like you and me that are the, loyal opposition, I guess, to use a British metaphor. But it's the the the strategies and techniques are evolving quickly. And, that's one of the things I love in a intellectual sense about what happened with project Veritas and Pfizer and that young gentleman who got caught in a honey trap scheme, with a little bit of alcohol apparently or something. I'm not sure what loosened his tongue.

Speaker 2: 30:11

But you got to see modern, industrial grade, highly capitalized information warfare in real time. So that that event happened. Pfizer dropped that information. I was privileged to have been, at the forefront of that because they asked me for commentary before while the video was still embargoed. So I got a foreshadowing of what was gonna happen, and then my commentary was added into their initial video, my reactions to what I had seen.

Speaker 2: 30:53

And with within about two hours, almost all the information about the Pfizer employee who was very quite senior, even though he was just a couple years out of medical school, having dropped out of a urology residency. But he had been placed in a position that's basically two or three down from Borla, the CEO. People the language of of titles in pharm in pharma isn't understood by everyone. He was a a global director of, mRNA vaccine strategy, essentially. So his responsibilities weren't restricted just to The United States or to a region in The United States, but they were global responsibilities.

Speaker 2: 31:39

And, within about two hours, every bit of information about him, this university he went to, photographs that his peers had taken, his LinkedIn profile, any other social media footprint that he had was not only scrubbed from the Internet, but it was scrubbed from the way back machine, this archive of information that we all rely on, but which has executed an agreement, a treaty basically, with the United States government that they will withdraw and remove information that the government deems is, in some way risky or puts the government at risk. So that's that's the new way back machine. And we saw evidence of that, just to to elaborate on that. You may recall when the Hunter laptop story broke with the New York Post, that was quickly determined to be Russian disinformation, and it was scrubbed not just from corporate media, but from the way back machine. And then when later it was verified, and even mister Biden, young mister Biden, and his lawyers acknowledged that the laptop was real, then they started repopulating those stories back on the way back machine, and they got caught at it.

Speaker 2: 33:03

Okay? So that's that's the new truth is exactly what George Orwell had predicted in 1984 and for which he coined the term memory holding. So Pfizer memory holed everything about this employee of theirs and scrubbed everything that they could, turned off comments for any of their public, facing information so that if you weren't a Pfizer follower, or they didn't follow you, I'm sorry, if they didn't follow you, then you weren't able to comment. And they went dark for a couple of days and just said nothing about this, hoping the story would go away. Fascinating, the Daily Mail, which is one of the largest English language publications in the world, put out a story about this, and right after the the drop happened, the information was released by Project Veritas, and within about twenty minutes, that was pulled, for some inexplicable reason.

Speaker 2: 34:05

And I was I'm just back from London. Those that asked the Daily Mail what was behind that got no response. And then Pfizer finally dropped their response to all of this at 8PM eastern on Friday. As I recall, it was about three day weekend. So the perfect timing to avoid any Wall Street impact, and also to bury a story, from the press coverage.

Speaker 2: 34:36

And and largely that was effective, and they've mostly gone silent since then. And the only corporate media that has covered anything about this was largely Tucker Carlson. I think I played a little role in that because I'd alerted Tucker. I have his he gave me his cell phone long ago, and I don't abuse it. But I told him that this was gonna be important dropping and he should have his team get on it, and they did.

Speaker 2: 35:03

And so the following day, they did a good coverage on it in the in the nighttime Fox broadcast. And, then the following morning, the Fox AM shows, included clips from my hit, but not any of the dialogue from Tucker in which he provided all the background information. So it was apparently even too hot for, Fox News. And there's a great example of, the capabilities of a modern, you know, multi trillion dollar leading, transnational company to completely quench any information getting out into the mainstream when they want to. I mean, the power is awesome.

Speaker 2: 35:47

I I and the power whoever's behind this, is it Pfizer? Is it Mossad? Is it the CIA? I most people think Klaus Schwab is a puppet himself. There's a bunch of hypotheses about about what is the real power behind all of this, but, the coordinated propaganda campaign that was deployed at the outset is truly awesome.

Speaker 2: 36:16

I I don't think the Western world has ever seen anything like this. I suspect that this is aligned with norms in this in the in the modern China. I don't think, the Soviet Union and, the Stasi ever had this kind of capability, Although the Stasi obviously had, amazing capabilities on a house by house basis because they recruited the whole population to be snitches on each other, which is part of what homeland security is now trying to do here in The United States. I, you know, I I think I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a problem.

Speaker 2: 37:00

The way I like to phrase it is, what is the remedy when you have government employees from low level up to the president of The United States sworn to to defend and uphold the constitution, who have clearly conspired to circumvent the First Amendment? What is the remedy? The you know, and and the courts are not, taking this seriously, in in my opinion, and, that leaves the only possible remedy is really civil action, which is extremely expensive and time consuming, or impeachment, which is completely nonviable in the current political climate. So they're basically, we're in a situation in which bad actors in the government, can have their way with us however they wish, and there's not much we can do about it.

Seth Holehouse: 37:57

Yeah. And that's, I think, the frightening part. I think a lot of us feel powerless and it's it's you know, that was why I started doing what I'm doing. Like that was really it wasn't, you know, I had no desire to be a YouTube personality or, you know, to talk politics publicly. I mean, I rarely talk politics behind closed doors.

Seth Holehouse: 38:17

I kind of hated politics, but I saw this as a war. And I saw that our our freedoms were were were truly, truly at risk in a way they haven't actually. The freedoms of people across the world, they've never been at more risk than what they are right now. And I said, okay, well look, if this was 1776, I'd be the guy that was grabbing a musket and telling my wife to look after the farm, you know what I mean? But it's not, and it's modern day.

Seth Holehouse: 38:45

And so that's what led to this. And, you know, if you look at, you know, if you look at COVID and the response to it and look at things like the forcing of wearing masks, which I was very opposed to and almost I got kicked, you know, thrown out of a couple stores because of it. But, know, I looked at that as as part of a psychological operation. It was to muzzle, you know, there's a reason why they used to muzzle slaves and put masks on them. It was dehumanizing, it disconnected them.

Seth Holehouse: 39:12

And so if you look at all the different things, even the isolation, I mean, that goes back to Pavlov. Pavlov found that a dog in isolation could be trained a lot better and a lot quicker to respond to their psyops, right, than a dog that was with other dogs. And so just the entirety of COVID as we as I was kind of witnessing each stage of it roll out and then then the vaccine rollout and the mandates, but even the slogans and the marketing safe and effective, the coordination across, you know, the late night shows and the mainstream media. I mean, am I am I correct or am some, you know, tin foil you know, tinfoil hat guy to think that almost the entire thing was a giant psychological operation?

Speaker 2: 39:58

If if not, let me put it this way. When I talk to people in the investment community, often crypto guys, often quantitative analysts, I make the point, when all the vectors are pointing in the same direction, it's probably not a random event. Right? So that's that's what we're seeing is, for some reason, this remarkable coincidence with known, practices in, propaganda and psyops, you know, practices, championed by Goebbels, and I'm prob you know, I put myself at risk if I say anything about World War two Germany, or Hana aren't, because that's that's one of the new strategies, by the way, is calling somebody an anti vaxxer is no longer sufficiently potent when up to half of the population in The United States are now considering themselves anti vaxxers. And they've defined an anti vaxxer as anybody who doesn't support mandates.

Speaker 2: 41:09

Well, that's so now they've destroyed the value of that word, and and it seems like the new pejorative, if you want to delegitimize someone, is to call them an anti Semite. Yeah. And this is almost a knee jerk reaction if you cite anything having to do with the Holocaust or Nazi Germany, even though it's such a great case study in in this type of, psychological manipulation. So I I agree. It's it's hard it's hard to argue against it.

Speaker 2: 41:41

I have to couch my words in phrases like hypothesis or thesis or model or something like that, because I don't, as I like to say, Klaus Schwab doesn't invite me to Davos, so I don't really know what they're talking about except for what they put out on their videos. And I can't read Tony Fauci's mind, so I don't know what Tony Fauci is thinking either. And I've been trained as a expert witness for legal cases to never speculate about what someone else is thinking. You just can't get in their head, and to do that is to to really delegitimize yourself if you if you presume to be able to do that. But nonetheless, the behaviors and actions are remarkably aligned with known best practices in this kind of psyops activity, and, make of that what you will.

Speaker 2: 42:37

Many in Europe, and particularly those that were behind the iron curtain as children, saw this right off the bat in those, for instance, like yourself that have experience watching communist China that over the years also have been very good at picking out these trends and behaviors. There's I I it's hard to argue against it that that there has been intentional, manipulation. And and I I think that the, the metaphor of of fifth generation warfare or the the logic, tactics, and strategy of it, certainly are very consistent with what we've seen deployed. And buried within that, not to be too grim, is a positive message. One of the things about, psychological warfare, psyops, or fifth gen warfare is that because of this nature of it being about communication between humans and the spreading of ideas, in in many, social media environments, and Twitter right now is one of them, Getter is a long been one, Rumble is another.

Speaker 2: 44:09

Obviously, YouTube and, the Google products have been very restrictive and the Microsoft products, but there are islands of freedom, Bitstream, Odyssey, etcetera, in which people can, share ideas and information and and language. And, what I strongly recommend is that folks get the Kindle book. It's ten years old now that you can get on five GW on Amazon. It's a compilation of academic writings and other things. It's kind of a loose aggregate.

Speaker 2: 44:49

General Flynn has now published a book on fifth generation warfare. There's a variety of resources that you can find on the web. You might wanna avoid Google. So use one of the other browsers. And learn and read on this.

Speaker 2: 45:06

If nothing else, it'll make it so that you can see through what they're doing. That's kind of like the entry level, making it so that it's it's very much like advertising, And once you can see through the tricks they play with trying to sell you soap suds or cornflakes, then pretty soon you can see more and more, and then you can choose to read Marshall McLuhan and, The Medium is the Message and other thinkers in the advertising space, and you're able to see more and more about what what is being done psychologically with advertising strategies. This is very similar. And so it's easy to learn and start to assimilate the tools and really weapons that have been developed, and many of them are are evolving as we speak. Many of the strategies being deployed using bots, trolls, infiltrating and disrupting agents, etcetera, are currently evolving, so you can see them evolving.

Speaker 2: 46:13

Just like when you and I were growing up, we got to see Madison Avenue evolving, and it kind of almost inoculated us against you know? And then then, of course, Madison Avenue got turned on the rest of the world, the poor souls, and they had no idea what was about to hit them. And it got weaponized for elections and everything else. But for for your listeners, you can you can learn this stuff, then you can at least see through it. And as you become more adept with it, you can start to turn it against them if you're so inclined.

Speaker 2: 46:49

You can choose, instead of being a victim, to become a warrior. And that was one of my other key messages in Stockholm. And just a little bit of context about that, the Swedish are actually quite sensitive about language, I've learned. I think the days of, Vikings are long gone, and there's much more wokeism in Sweden than you might think. It's not so different from California.

Speaker 2: 47:20

People are very sensitive to language, and my having a title of fifth generation warfare and sovereignty was perceived as somewhat offensive. And I had pushback that I should modify the title to soften it because people didn't like the word warfare. And and I responded saying, well, that's okay. I'll be glad to just take the net next jet back from London. I don't have to go over to Stockholm, if that's how you wanna be.

Speaker 2: 47:52

And they allowed it to go forward. I think that it was a real wake up call for those year 13 1,300, Europeans that paid to attend that conference, came from all over, particularly Northern Europe, Iceland, etcetera. And I made the point as I was talking to them that, this, I think it's the forty fourth brigade in The United States based out of Fort Bragg, which has been, you know, derived from the ghost army operatives, consists of 800 soldiers, and their not audience is 1,300 people. And I said, if all of you choose to be warriors instead of being victims and you learn this technology and start to deploy it, you have more people, than you have in one of the key divisions in the US army. We can assimilate these methods.

Speaker 2: 48:50

We can deploy them. They're not that hard. You you often get a little banged and bruised. You have to grow a thick skin about the trolls, and they will come swarm at you once you get more followers. But, that's just the nature.

Speaker 2: 49:09

Think of it you know, a lot of people like the saying, you get the most flack when you're over the target, and so you can almost use it as an indicator of whether or not you're hitting topics that are sensitive. And, to that, just to elaborate a little more on that, on the on some of these strategies and tactics. There's a group of things that the intelligence community or whoever the opponents are don't want you to talk about. The Biden laptop was one notable example, but there are many, many others. And it can be hard to figure out what are those topics, where are the boundaries, what are the things that they're really sensitive about, because they use these things like a limited hangout, where they will disclose a certain amount of information as a way to distract you from something they really don't want you to look at.

Speaker 2: 50:06

So how do you find these things? A friend of mine who's one of the founders of the Panda Group down in in South Africa has a metaphor. He said, the things that they don't want you to know and don't want you to talk about, they they functionally put kind of an electric fence around it, around those topic areas. And as soon as you get close to that electric fence and whatever you're saying, you'll get a shock. You'll there is some attack that will come at you.

Speaker 2: 50:33

It can be a Internet attack. I mean, apparently, I'm getting an enormous volume of of hostile Internet attacks right now coming through my Starlink channel. You know, the computer scientists that are helping me here voluntarily are amazed. They've never seen anything like it. And it can be, you know, written attacks.

Speaker 2: 50:55

It can be if you get a little bit larger, you'll get a nasty article in The New York Times, is typical. Your Wikipedia page will get edited aggressively to make you sound like you're a really bad person. That's often done by, an account, Philip Cross, which is linked to MI five. It's basically a sock puppet for a bunch of people. These things happen.

Speaker 2: 51:21

And when when that's happening, rather than being taken aback, which is a normal reaction for any human being with an ounce of decency, you know, how could they possibly say that to me? Take it as a badge of honor and say, hey, that means I'm I'm doing the right thing and keep pushing. And and I think with that, we we can make a difference in this battlefield. That's that's the secret thing is we don't have to have, you know, f eighteens and Sidewinder missiles and and Abrams battle tanks. This is a battle for minds and ideas.

Speaker 2: 52:01

What you have to do is you have to be sharp. You know, keep your mind active. Think for yourself. And that's For the sake of your children. Think

Seth Holehouse: 52:12

Yeah. Well, that's an important point too because if this was third generation warfare, we wouldn't stand a chance. I don't have a tank I can roll out to fight with people, you know. I don't have, you know, a jet, you know, fighter plane that can drop bombs. But because it is fifth generation and it's moved into this sphere, it allows us to participate in it.

Seth Holehouse: 52:33

And it allows us even from our living room or our basement or our office to fight in this fifth generation warfare, which is lot of times I say, you know, people for people that are watching or listening, you know, it's interviews like this that you press pause, you email it to a couple of friends, you you share on social media. Like, these ideas need to spread because it's it's empowering to understand that, hey, we can do something. But there's one thing I wanted to ask you about. We know we've got about, you know, a little less than ten minutes left here. And just to get your thought on this because, you know, during the COVID, you know, being aware of it, it felt like the next wave of everything happening was, you know, it's almost like the the bomb siren going off, you know, that the airstrikes are coming and you could see it unfolding.

Seth Holehouse: 53:22

And over the last year or so as we've witnessed, all of these food processing plants exploding, plants crashing into them, you know, so coincidental. But now we've got chemical accidents, chemical spills. Like, I'm I'm up in Ohio. I'm a hundred miles away from, you know, New And, you know, I can't help but look at that and think, is there something deeper behind this? Because again, the beginning of COVID, you would say, no, there's nothing behind it.

Seth Holehouse: 53:52

Most people said, you know, it's kind of a conspiracy. But again, when you piece it all together, like you're talking about the quants, right, you piece it all together, you see it points to one particular thing. I can't help but thinking is that what's happening is some sort of fifth column operation to soften up The United States and to weaken us through these various attacks to our infrastructure to, you know, chemical attacks, which are certainly gonna affect our farmland, our water systems in preparation for something. But, you know, considering that you this is really, you know, five g warfare is your thing. How do you view these events that are happening in our country?

Speaker 2: 54:31

As amazing coincidences that are forming a pattern, that are all pointing in one direction. And and, it's, I how do I say this without sounding like I'm loopy? Many people, particularly conservatives, are convinced that mister Biden is compromised perhaps in multiple ways, probably by the CCP as well as by various Ukrainian interests. And a case can be made that that's true for a significant part of the political elite in The United States. And, it's hard again, in in order to try to make sense out of this, one of the first things you have to do is suspend your idea that, people that there are ethics, which is really hard.

Speaker 2: 55:44

For most of us that were raised in a Judeo Christian environment, we we, instinctively reject the possibility of there being true evil in the world.

Seth Holehouse: 55:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:58

We instinctively reject the possibility that people might be well, pedophilia and child trafficking is increasingly being normalized. We have, you know, another example of these very odd, divisive things is the, transsexual movement and gender reassignment, and many of these core principles that we call wokeism that are so, destructive and divisive, it's how how do you account for these things being deployed globally? That's the one that really breaks my back is, when my friends from South Africa say, oh, we're seeing the same thing happen here. We were recently in Vienna, and we learned that right at the start of the outbreak, just as happened here in The United States, all the artists and writers, musicians, were paid off to, support this, you know, dominant, narrative, in a variety of different ways and to advocate for the vaccine products. It's it's really tough to square that circle without reaching to some very, very large economic, power block that would have the ability to deploy such enormous capabilities in a harmonized simultaneous fashion globally.

Speaker 2: 57:44

And it's you're left, struggling with what entity would have that capability, and that's, I think, what often drives speculation about the role of of certain large economic blocks like the Vanguard State Street, BlackRock, Bank of America Nexus, or, Mossad or CIA, intelligence community Nexus. And then then we have, of course, the CCP. And, and we see evidence that these, organizations are are interacting in a significant way in various places, and that's been a gradual reveal. I it wasn't so long ago when I would talk about the World Economic Forum, I had to do so in kind of hushed, careful tones. And if I talked about the great reset, this was, you know, originally right out on the fringes of conspiracy land, despite the fact that the book title was The Great Reset and that it was, announced originally not by Claus Schwab, but by Prince Charles, now King Charles, you you it's it's now become more normalized that these agendas do exist, that these people are cooperating, they are directly seeking to shape our future, they have specific plans for what that future may look like.

Speaker 2: 59:40

They're actually quite advanced in deploying it in, not just Canada and New Zealand, but in The Netherlands in particular. So we have the Dutch farmers and what's going on there, for example. These these things can't be denied. The artifacts, the receipts are there, and there is some, entity that's moving. I often find myself quoting Yeats from the poem The Second Coming, this, slouching beast moving towards Bethlehem to be born.

Speaker 2: 01:00:18

There's something out there that is, acting here, and and, it's it's very difficult for me to account for this as merely a random emergent phenomena of the interaction of complex systems, which was one of the original hypotheses we discussed on the Brett Weinstein, Dark Horse podcast so long ago. As as I have this and, of course, this was the purpose of the book, The Lies My Government Told Me and the Better Future Coming was to, help not those that are fully wrapped up in rejecting the narrative, you know, those that are awake. It's it's for those. There's all kinds of little pearls and and Easter eggs in there that many people that are awake find a lot of fun to encounter as they work through the book, but it's really written for the folks that are in the persuadable middle, that that haven't yet made that journey that so many of us have made over the last few years. And and once you make that journey, you can never see the world the same way.

Speaker 2: 01:01:45

For me, the capstone was, you know, kind of the key bookend. The earliest event that I really remember as a child was the assassination of the president. And Tucker Carlson coming out a couple of months ago, was now, with his comments about the role of the CIA just kind of seemed to be wrapping it up in a bow, that that his point in that of others at the time was many of us have been living a lie. We believed the world was one way, and then we have to confront the fact that we were naive. And, that's not very pleasant.

Speaker 2: 01:02:38

For a lot of people, it causes cognitive dissonance, this major source of psychological pain, and they and they recoil from it. But I I don't think if you care about the future of your children, I don't think that just putting your head in the sand and recoiling from it, hoping it goes away is an appropriate response. I think we all have to become energized if we care about, whether or not our children are gonna live as indentured servants because that's where it's going.

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:15

Yeah. It's it's certainly is if if we don't do anything about it. One final question for you in closing, and then I want to share, you know, where people can follow your work. You know a lot about this war that we're in and the the power, the financial power, the control that the enemy has versus us. Do you have hope for the future?

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:35

And do you think that we can win this?

Speaker 2: 01:03:40

So, the honest answer is that this is a situation that has been intentionally developed over decades. We're we're now living you know, there's there's talk about a singularity, a a point in time where human, human species may have to undergo a transition. Of course, this is, advocated by Yuval Harari, in, many of the leadership in the World Economic Forum. This idea that we go through a singularity and we emerge in control of our own evolution and God becomes obsolete and man is God, and we fuse with machines and become some new, hybrid species, as we march into the glorious fourth industrial revolution in the workers' paradise therein. That's that's what's being, promoted, and it has it really is the culmination of decades and decades of planning, and, we're not going to get out of this, you know, by 2024.

Speaker 2: 01:05:01

We may not get out of this, by the time you and I are in the ground in worm food, But if we don't start fighting now, we're we're not gonna be able to slow them down, and it will occur a lot faster. The the path forward that many people foresee, and by the way, interestingly, George Orwell wrote of this in one of the early introductions that he wrote for 1984 in a very early edition. He envisioned and imagined that we would move into some sort of a pharmacologic totalitarian state in which we would all be subjected to pharmaceutical modification of our basic drive state and such like. And, you know, no surprise because a lot of these concepts were discussed back when he was alive. This is when a lot of this planning, deep planning really happened, and and his opinion was that the only way we can escape this is by embracing decentralization.

Speaker 2: 01:06:13

So that's the antithesis of the global centralized command economy that's envisioned. And the the challenge is how do you enable that? Rich people, small, communities in Latin America, they all speak about, you know, semi autonomous intentional communities that share some common ethics and goals that come together and and then might eventually be able to assemble into some sort of a tunneled super community network. The question is, what is the backbone for that kind of communication? What are the tokens that we exchange for trade?

Speaker 2: 01:07:06

How do we how do we transmit those tokens? How do we archive those tokens? How do we ship goods locally and and, you know, geographically? There's a whole bunch of of challenges, and I find often when people start talking about this, they reflexively go back to the solutions that we have tried in the past. It's really, really hard to envision a new future that's never existed.

Speaker 2: 01:07:38

And so they fall back on things like, oh, we should set up a think tank or, you know, some academic no. That's that's, you know, been there, done that, got the t shirt. It's really hard to think about this. Many people cluster around blockchain and web three vague thinking as a way to enable the interactions between these communities, and a lot of the philosophies and logic around older solutions having to do with intentional communities. Often, were religious based or faith based.

Speaker 2: 01:08:20

Often, we have we have descriptions in literature, and a notorious one is Anne Rand's vision of Galt's Gulch, which is the origin of the title of of my substack, who is Robert Malone, as opposed to who is John Galt. I hope that's not too egotistical, but, but you get the point. You know, I I think that, this is not something where we can flip a switch and suddenly Klaus Schwab goes away. We're gonna have to build our own infrastructure in parallel and somehow enable it so that we can have something more akin to small business transactions. I think that's what most of us, are seeking.

Speaker 2: 01:09:14

I've had a few conversations, and I just saw Nigel Farage again. I I saw him a couple weeks ago, and and he talked I got him to talk about Brexit and how did that come about, you know, this UK Politician that played a key role in Brexit. And he said the core problem is that at the start, we had a bunch of libertarians, and generally, they don't cooperate very well with each other by definition. And what we had to do was come up with a set of principles, forward looking, things that we all agreed in a positive way we wanted to do. And then we had to come up with a name for that.

Speaker 2: 01:09:51

And out of that, Brexit was born, and once they had those core principles that they could all agree to, all of these, cats that didn't want to be herded, and a name for what they wanted to do, then it coalesced and it built, momentum. So, that's his advice, is is and his insight, and as I said, I was just I just saw him over the weekend, and he said his his intuition is that whatever's happening here, we can call it a movement. My wife doesn't like movement because it relates to bowels. She thinks it's a bad term, but whatever's happening here organically, it hasn't yet gelled yet. There's there's it hasn't come to that point where a set of core principles can emerge.

Speaker 2: 01:10:48

It's still a lot of division and dissension happening, and, I think that's okay, personally. I think that, there's a saying in medicine that many things can be cured with tincture of time, and I feel like rather than trying to rush into some solution that is biased by what we've always believed, you know, should be the alternative, allowing ourselves interact like this, and listen to others may allow us to start to move towards a different future for humanity. And I do feel strongly that we have not, as as a species, we have not met and fulfilled our potential yet. I think that it that potential can be glimpses of it can be seen in the Internet from time to time, where people are interacting in a cooperative fashion around some topic area. And, let me just tell this person that I can't talk to them right now.

Speaker 2: 01:12:06

So that's that's my belief is that there is something out there on the horizon like a fog that many of us can sense, that that represents some better alternative future for humanity that may allow us to function better without ending up being some version of the matrix as little electrical generators for the machines, that are all linked together. You know, that's we don't wanna be a hive. We don't wanna be the borg. We wanna have, facilitated creativity through, interaction and challenge and thinking, and maybe instead of the great reset, we have the great awakening. And so that's that's the hope, for the future, and I think there's there that potential exists whether humanity is ready to enable it and empower it.

Speaker 2: 01:13:15

That's, I think, the question.

Seth Holehouse: 01:13:18

Yes. It's such a wise perspective. I think that perhaps it's the getting to the edge and the threat of a of a global technocracy that would take everything away. Maybe that's what actually causes us to reach our full potential as a species. So I want to just encourage before we sign off to encourage folks to follow your work at your Substack, which is just rwmalonemd.substack or just search for Robert Malone substack.

Seth Holehouse: 01:13:48

And also to check out your book, Lies My Government Told Me, which could should be an exciting encyclopedia as you mentioned in Stockholm.

Speaker 2: 01:13:57

Just so.

Seth Holehouse: 01:13:59

But Lies My Government Told Me, and you can find this available in lots of different places. Show you this is the Amazon listing. But if you don't want to support Amazon, I understand and there's lots of other places you can get this book by encourage both those things because, you know, Doctor. Mullen, you've been really on the forefront of really exposing a lot of what's going on. And I think not just saying, hey, here's the problems, but I can see that you're really constructively thinking about what are the solutions, and that's where we have to shift our energy to.

Speaker 2: 01:14:26

Thanks. And here's a little gem for your listeners. I've convinced Tony Lyons, who's the publisher of that book, as well as the publisher of Ed Dowd's book called Cause Unknown, and the publisher of Bobby Kennedy's book called The Real Anthony Fauci. All three of those are gonna be made free on Kindle for a week starting Monday. Wow, great.

Speaker 2: 01:14:53

So anybody that has ebook capabilities can grab those three for free starting Monday for about seven days and, join us, on this journey of discovery and understanding and hopefully join us as a warrior and choose not to be a victim.

Seth Holehouse: 01:15:16

Good words to end with. Well, thank you so much for your time. It's been an honor to have you on and I appreciate what you're doing and I look forward to next time.

Speaker 2: 01:15:26

Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot for taking the time.

Seth Holehouse: 01:15:30

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