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Record Live is a conversation about life, spirituality and following Jesus in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Carry the flame_ Charlie Jimmy and Eddie Tupa_i
[00:00:00] Hi there, everyone. I'm Jarrod. And I'm Zanita. We are your hosts of Record Live, a podcast where we talk about church, faith, and living well. We believe as followers of Jesus, faith is more than just a set of beliefs. It's a way of life, something we put into practice. Let's go live.
Zanita Fletcher: Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another week of Record Live. People have probably been, , wondering what's going on 'cause my face is popping up twice a week on their feeds now, , with the Living Covenant series having started. But, yeah, good conversations left, right and- If
Jarrod Stackelroth: you haven't checked that out, you should because it's very cool interviews with a lot of, , interesting authors that have written for our Living Covenant series so, and you're doing a great job with that, Zanita, can I just say?
So keep- Thank you ... , keep up the good work.
Zanita Fletcher: Nice. [00:01:00] Well, I think we've almost finished recording the episodes, but they've only just started going up, so, that's been exciting. Now, Jarrod, , today, we've kind of talked about this here and there the past few months, but people are obviously aware by now that you are moving to the GC, you're moving to America, , to take a new position there, and this is the last episode of Record Live we will have you on, which is, yeah, , pretty bittersweet.
It's been a great few years having these conversations with you. , And we don't know what the future will look like with Record Live, but we do have a few more episodes after this where we'll be talking to people from various parts of the South Pacific about South Pacific For Christ. , So yeah, how are you feeling about finishing up, Jarrod?
Jarrod Stackelroth: Oh, Zanita, it's very mixed. There's lots to do, in terms of personally just to get our family relocated over there. But, you know, this is, I think I've reflected before, some of these conversations have been amazing. , One of my favorite parts of the job, to get to hang out with you and have interesting conversations about faith and life and [00:02:00] church, talk to interesting people with interesting stories and perspectives, and just to, yeah, , be able to contribute in this way has been a blessing for me as well
so it is, as you say, bittersweet that this will be probably the last episode I appear on, although people are welcome to get me back as a guest anytime. I'm sure we'll have you back. I'm sure I can find some ways , to get myself back on this podcast. But yeah, it's, - You'll have a
Zanita Fletcher: bit more time to talk on the other side as well, so.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Well, the time zones will be a bit funny too, so we'll see. We'll see how that goes. But, , yeah, no, it's been , a real privilege and an honor, and it's exciting to have these conversations each and every week, and I hope that our audience has appreciated them. We've got some faithful viewers that pop up quite often, even commenting on our live streams.
, That's one of the benefits or the joys of doing it live as well, to have a little bit of audience interaction. That's always been nice. Yeah. And so yeah, , this will be it. That's all she wrote. Yeah. [00:03:00] But , it has been amazing and, , I hope that- People will keep supporting you guys and the record team, , because it's never been about me and me being on , the program.
It's always, , pointing to God and just having the opportunity to strengthen and develop our faith together. I suppose- Mm ... that's always been the part that I've enjoyed. But enough- Yeah ... about me, Zanita. We've
Zanita Fletcher: got- ...
Jarrod Stackelroth: two guests- We do ... today, and two exciting interviews. , Zanita, you were at SP for Christ, South Pacific for Christ, , a few weeks back, and we heard from Juliana last week, but how did you find the program?
Zanita Fletcher: Yeah, awesome. , I think, like everyone, I went into it a bit like, "What's gonna be happening over the next few day- few days?" But I was just so impressed by the enthusiasm at the event. , I think it was awesome to see so many people from, yeah, various parts of the South Pacific come over, and I think they just have so much to teach us about just [00:04:00] trusting in the grand and glorious things that God is gonna do.
Like, they really believe that and really have faith in that and are just so excited to see, , how he's gonna work in general. But I think specifically for this whole South Pacific for Christ thing as well. So, , yeah, , it was awesome. It almost felt like I went overseas 'cause there was so many people from different parts of the world there.
So I really enjoyed my time there.
Jarrod Stackelroth: That's awesome. And South Pacific for Christ event was a launch event, so that's just the start of it. This next five years or so in the South Pacific is gonna be exciting. , Each year, one of our four unions is gonna run their own program, and all the other three unions are gonna be supporting that program, sending speakers, sending teams to do ministry.
This is awesome. And so our first guest today, , is an interview that Juliana has recorded, , with the union presidents during South Pacific for Christ. So the first guest is Pastor Charlie Jimmie from the Trans [00:05:00] Pacific Union Mission. Trans Pacific Union Mission is the first union to run their program , this year.
It's already about to start. We're about a month out. And if you're not familiar with the Trans Pacific, there's 11 countries. They range from places like Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, and some of our smaller Pacific nations. And it's just a wonderful place with wonderful people. So without further ado, let's hear what Pastor Jimmie has to say.
Thank you for having me.
Juliana Muniz: So you've been here in this event for almost a week now.
Charlie Jimmy: Yes.
Juliana Muniz: How are you feeling about it? Do you feel that it has been empowering members? So , what are the highlights for you so far?
Charlie Jimmy: This is a,, a timely program for the South Pacific Division and especially- South Pacific for Christ and,- speaking especially for the, TPUM territory where we will be having TPUM for Christ this year.
So it's timely because we've got the [00:06:00] delegates, church leaders around the union who are here for this meeting because it's actually helps them, empowered them, motivate them to, to continue to plan and prepare for TPUM for Christ comes, , middle of this year.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm. TPUM comprises 11 Pacific- Yes
nations, , and is the first to run the for Christ events- Mm-hmm ... of the South Pacific for Christ. , And TPUM for Christ is taking place from July to August this year. Is that correct?
Charlie Jimmy: So we've got , the 11 nations or, , we've got seven missions and three attached, fields. So we've divided the, those, , countries into two thirds.
So we'll have the first lot that we'll be running the meeting TPUM for Christ on the month of July, and then the next lot will be on the month of August this
Juliana Muniz: year. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Okay. Before we talk about Trans Pacific for Christ, could you give us an idea of what we, , things look like in your region?
What are [00:07:00] some of the challenges in the Trans Pacific?
Charlie Jimmy: So as we prepare for the TPUM for Christ, we've realized that in terms of our plans and our preparation, one of the obvious challenge that we continue to face in, and that is in regards to the remoteness of our islands. , The isolation actually pose challenges in terms of resources.
Resources, , you know, distribution to all the local churches in the remote places, especially to help them in the discipleship process in preparing the soil, sow the seed, cultivate the plant, harvest, and so forth. So we need to be very proactive in terms of planning so that resources are - dispatched on time, reach the local church- Before the meetings comes.
Yeah.
Juliana Muniz: Mm. You were elected TPUM president i- in late 2025. Yes. , [00:08:00] So you have most of the quinquennium still ahead of you.
Zanita Fletcher: Mm-hmm.
Juliana Muniz: Can you share what are your goals and strategies- Mm ... for this quinquennium?
Charlie Jimmy: Obviously, we want to ensure that we a- align with the general conference, , strategic plan, and also the South Pacific, , strategic plan.
So we have, , we have embraced it, , the four strategic focus, for us from TPU to, , implement for the next five years. We have also, , revised our vision statement, , living a Christ-like life and make disciples. We would like to continue to encourage our members to create, , a movement of disciple-making around the Trans Pacific.
More than that, our focus for this quinquennium is we would like to see each local church come up with a church planting project. So that is something that we'd like to see every local church come up with a church planting projects for this next five [00:09:00] years.
Juliana Muniz: Mm. Now let's talk about TPUM for Christ or Trans Pacific for Christ.
I know it might be a broad question, but what is it going to look like? What can we expect? , What's the planning, looking like?
Charlie Jimmy: So basically, the plans looks like this , the preparations are going on well now. We have, , worked with , the IPE, , Institute of Public E- evangelism with, Pastor Lyle Southwell and the team here at SPD in ensuring that, the international speakers, , confirm, and we've achieved 99% of that, in terms of confirming and allocating international preachers to different sites across TPUM.
We have also confirmed , , the series that we will be using, , that comes from It Is Written. They have developed the resources that we will be u- using for that. And also , at the local missions and at the local church, preparations are already in place in terms of the evangelism steering committees are in place to [00:10:00] ensure that when international preachers arrive, they've received them, catered for them and provide accommodations for them for the period of time that , they will be spending.
More than that, not just only investing in preparation for the harvest program, we would like to strengthen also- The nurturing part of that. So we are working with the Adventist technology in terms of the with, and also with Pastor Andrew, with the ACMS, platform so that interest and new believers who comes for the meeting are captured into the system so there is proper nurturing and follow-up for those new believers who have joined us.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm. Yeah. The campaign is about to happen is, I think, two months away. How can people get involved? , I know that you probably already mo- already have most of the preachers, , but how can people support it?
Charlie Jimmy: So we are working with SPD, working [00:11:00] closely with SPD in terms of the speakers.
, But in terms of other support, we would like-- we are welcome to any other supports that anyone, individuals or churches around SPD would like to give the support TPE for Christ. So you can work with SPD, or you can work with the Trans Pacific Union if you would like to support, not only in terms of preaching, but any other involvement.
Might be you wanna come and support a prayer program or support in singing or, any other areas that you would like to support, we are welcome to receive anyone, small groups, individuals around the South Pacific to come and help us for TPE for Christ.
Juliana Muniz: And do you have any specific goals that you want to achieve with Trans Pacific for Christ?
Charlie Jimmy: So for TPE for Christ, by God's grace, we would like to see, at the end of TPE for Christ, we would like to see new church plant in unentered areas and in some [00:12:00] of the non-Adventist communities. That is one of our big goals, we would like to see new church plant coming up in those meeting sites. Also, we would like to see that for TPE for Christ, we would like to see total member involvement.
Church members, leaders, everyone finding the space, using their gift in the mission of the church.
Juliana Muniz: Yes. Mm. Because the mission doesn't just transform- Mm ... the people that are being reached, but also- Yes ... the people that get involved. Yes. Yes, I am very excited because I am coming to Kiribati- Mm ... to, well, I'll be covering, I'm not gonna be preaching, but I'm excited.
, Before we close, , in addition to TPUM for Christ, what should church members across the TPUM be aware of in terms of mission in this next- Mm ... quinquennium? Mm.
Charlie Jimmy: So for TPUM, it is not just TPUM for Christ, , this year, 2026. We have laid out our missional plans also for [00:13:00] this, five years. So next year is, our focus will be I will go to my church.
While we will be impacting with one voice- And supporting Answered UBC 2027, our focus will be on church members. We will be focusing on retention or reclaiming missing members, backsliding members, and also for next year we will be putting emphasis into membership audit. So the focus on the church. Mm.
That is 2027. 2028 is I will go to my schools. We will be focusing on our schools in 2028, where our focus in evangelism mission will be focusing on our schools in , 2028. And then 20, , 29 is I will go to my community. Mm. So that this will be the focus for 2029, is focusing on all the communities around different, , islands or missions of [00:14:00] Trans Pacific Union.
And then 2030 is to support SPD, I will go to SST, and also we would like to encourage local missionaries to be sent to the remote part of different places around TPUM. So I will go sort of to the ends of the earth. That's the focus for 2030.
Juliana Muniz: Amazing. Mm. Thank you so much, Pastor Jimmy.
Charlie Jimmy: Thank you so much for having me.
Zanita Fletcher: Awesome, so that was Charlie Jimmy, the TPUM president. , Yeah, awesome to hear their plan not just for TPUM for Christ, but for the coming years after that. What were your kind of impressions of that conversation, Jarrod?
Jarrod Stackelroth: One thing that I'm really excited about is how ambitious their goals are. , They did really, um, do this in the past few years, , mission and ministry to very specific target groups.
But the idea that they want each church to think about planting a- another church, that's huge. Imagine the multiplication- Mm ... that can happen if, if they can do that. [00:15:00] And I'm sure having been at Papua New Guinea for Christ, you know, seeing the dedication and the prayer that went into that program, I, there's no doubt that TPUM can pull something like that off.
So yeah, that's very exciting, , for me. Yeah.
Zanita Fletcher: Zani, you- Yeah, I think it's awesome that they've also got a focus on retention and membership audit- Mm. 'cause I think it's so easy- Mm-hmm ... to get super excited about, let's plant all these new churches, let's baptize all these people. But, , super important also to make sure that we are sowing into our members and focusing on, yeah, retaining them.
Jarrod Stackelroth: 100%. And you're gonna be covering TPUM for Christ. Tell us a little bit about that , and what you're looking forward to.
Zanita Fletcher: Yeah, so I'm going to Samoa, which I've never been to Samoa. I have not even Googled Samoa. I am going in having no expectations, but every time I've told someone I'm going to Samoa, they're like, "Oh, Samoa is the best.
Samoans are the best." Like, so I'm quite excited just based off the reactions that I've been [00:16:00] getting. But yeah, it should be awesome. I mean- We've heard about PNG for Christ for years now, , and the ways in which God has moved there or did move there, and, , I'm just excited to get a little taste of that.
Jarrod Stackelroth: It's gonna be amazing. As someone who was married in Samoa, got engaged in Samoa, spent, , a number of trips to Samoa, when my in-laws lived there, , I can testify it's, it's a wonderful place to spend some time. Very relaxed, very beautiful. - Mm ... and yeah, you'll, you'll love it. , And I'm sure we'll get lots of good stories out of that.
Zanita Fletcher: Yeah, it should be awesome. I can't wait. But we have a second guest on next. We have Eddie... tupai?
Chatting with Juliana once again,
Juliana Muniz: so welcome.
Eddie Tupa'i: Thank you.
Juliana Muniz: , We've had a long week here at this event. How are you finding it? What stood out to you?
Eddie Tupa'i: It really has been a time where as I look across the room each night, , the tent, I [00:17:00] should say, and I see the diversity of the church here in the South Pacific, , , there's a sense of hunger, of wanting to do more for God, and that's come through in the stories and the testimonies, and that has been inspirational.
I have a saying, and it goes like this, "The most important meetings are the meetings in between the meetings." And so it's all the catch-ups, it's the meals with different people, it's running into people you haven't seen for a long time, that reminds me we're part of this amazing family, the South Pacific Division, and what God is doing here.
So yeah, it's been a real blessing.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm, it's been good catching up- Mm ... with a bunch of people here-
Eddie Tupa'i: Yeah ... from
Juliana Muniz: all over this division. , So New Zealand Pacific comprises six nations, is that correct? Yes. , Maybe you can help me out here. Sure. New Zealand, Cook Islands...
Eddie Tupa'i: French Polynesia, there's New Caledonia, Wallis and [00:18:00] Futuna, and Pitcairn.
Juliana Muniz: Wow. Yes. That's some diversity there.
Eddie Tupa'i: Absolutely.
Juliana Muniz: You see
Eddie Tupa'i: you've got your missions, you've got conferences, you've got Melanesia, Polynesia, , French speaking, so quite, quite a diversity. Very unique, , union.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm. Before we talk about the upcoming mission movement of New Zealand Pacific for Christ, can you give us a bit of a background or an idea of what- your mission field looks like.
So what are the challenges in New Zealand Pacific?
Eddie Tupa'i: So if I start with New Caledonia, where there were the recent riots. So you've got- Mm ... that particular type of tension, the political tension in their country, in the locals, the Kanaks wanting to have independence. So that tension impacts the church, but also the witness of the church in a place like that.
Mm. Then you [00:19:00] have, , Pitcairn, which is 35 people on the island. Mm-hmm. You've got 24 regularly turning up at church on Sabbath. Oh, wow. So that's quite different again. French Polynesia, which is many, many islands spread over a vast area, and that is diverse in and of itself, and of course French and Tahitian.
Oh. And then the Cook Islands. , Again, very much Polynesia, very different in its own way. 15 islands, and then New Zealand. And New Zealand is, in the way our church is organized, is, , North and South, New Zealand conferences. So they work together to reach New Zealand. So , you got the secular, you got the developing, you've got the Polynesian, Melanesian, as I mentioned before, French speaking.
, That gives us, , quite a variety of challenges. And you'll hear as I try and explain our approach to South Pacific for [00:20:00] Christ needing to respond to that uniqueness.
Juliana Muniz: Mm, mm. What are your goals and strategies for this quinquennium, maybe to address some of tho- - those challenges as well?
Eddie Tupa'i: Yes. The union's role we see is based on Ephesians 4.
And the key words out, out of Ephesians 4 is leadership working to use ministry, as in disciple making, to bring unity in the church. I love the approach that Pastor Erton Köhler is using, where he's saying integration for mission- Mm ... being integrated for mission. So that idea of the church being integrated, especially with its diversity.
And then in that, , diversity, we move, towards this word that's in verse 13, which is maturity.
Zanita Fletcher: Mm.
Eddie Tupa'i: And we'd love to think that, and pray for, [00:21:00] that in 2030, our church will be more grown up, more mature than we are right now in Christ, in that beautiful message from Ephesians 4.
Juliana Muniz: Mm. Mm.
Now let's talk about New Zealand Pacific for Christ. Mm-hmm., You probably have a lot of challenges trying to make that happen because of the diversity. , What are your plans so far?
Eddie Tupa'i: So that's the basis I've given you, Ephesians 4. And then for us with our role to all that complexity that you're asking about is we exist as a union to equip these missions and conferences for mission.
Zanita Fletcher: Mm.
Eddie Tupa'i: And mission that brings transformation. So we talk about equipping for mission and transformation. We wanna be on God's mission. We want to see that bring change, lasting change in people's lives. And so we've said to each of our entities, [00:22:00] "You're unique. We can't do a one-size-fits-all. We need to allow you to look at what is appropriate for your area."
So for some of our territory, they'll say, "We would like to do the classic evangelistic program." That's all good. Other parts of our union are saying, "Well, we want to focus on small groups. We want to focus on using digital media to connect with people. We would like to use community engagement." , Right across the span of the different ways that you can grow and build church, we're wanting to g- engage all those different ways of doing church.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm. Also next year, in addition to New Zealand Pacific for Christ,, the world church has the rollout of One Voice 27. Are you planning to make that part of your strategy for New Zealand Pacific for Christ, or h- are you planning to, incorporate it in any [00:23:00] way?
Eddie Tupa'i: We don't want to confuse things.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm.
Eddie Tupa'i: And so I really like your question because it is very much on point. We are gonna go with One Voice 27. That is going to be how we represent, how we speak, promote, connect the message that we have as a Seventh-day Adventist Church in our part of the world, whether you're speaking French or Cook Island Maori, whatever language, it's all with one voice.
So we're gonna be going totally under the One Voice banner. And also, , Juliana, July 10 this year, it's a Friday evening, Pastor Erton Köhler is going to be in New Zealand for the Gain conference, but on that Friday night he is going to launch One Voice 27- Hmm ... for New Zealand Pacific Union Conference in Auckland.
Juliana Muniz: Oh, that's very good. How can members prepare for all of that? [00:24:00]
Eddie Tupa'i: We are very clear about this and we say fast and pray, equip and send. So the first part is the inner life, is fasting and praying. Those things go together, those things are important, ensuring that what is in and of us in our life of following Christ will then flow out in how we go about doing mission.
So first thing is fast and pray, the second part is to equip and to send, and that's based on Acts 13:1-3-
Zanita Fletcher: Mm ...
Eddie Tupa'i: where the church begins to send out missionaries, and the first were Paul , and Barnabas.
Juliana Muniz: Mm, mm. Before we close, , in addition to New Zealand Pacific for Christ or One Voice 27- Yes ... is there anything else or are there any other mission initiatives that members across NZPUC should be aware of?
Eddie Tupa'i: There is church planting,, and this is interesting because I mentioned [00:25:00] right up at the beginning the difficulties - of New Caledonia, but we have strong church planting there. We have, as part of New Caledonia mission, Wallis and Futuna. So we have a church presence that's been in Wallis for the last 10 years.
We just in the last two years have begun a small presence in Futuna. And so that church planting part of the church, , of New Caledonia is something that is going right across our region.
Juliana Muniz: Hmm. Very good. Thank you so much, Pastor Eddie.
Eddie Tupa'i: You're welcome. Thank you.
Zanita Fletcher: That was Pastor Eddie. One thing I really liked about that conversation was at South Pacific for Christ, I feel like this question, everyone was asking it. They were like, "Okay, so this is TPUM." Mm. "Sounds great, but what is gonna happen in New Zealand and what is gonna happen in Australia? Because surely the initiatives are gonna have to look different."
And so I think it's cool that he said we're gonna need to respond to the uniqueness of each location. And [00:26:00] even in New Zealand, they're not just doing everything the same. Some people are doing, small groups, some people are focusing on community initiatives, other people are doing the evangelism program.
So even within New Zealand, things are looking different in their different locations.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yeah, I love that he acknowledged the diversity , and some of the challenges that they're facing, but also, , it's gonna be exciting to see our church folk and the Holy Spirit, , get creative, find different ways to do it.
We don't have to all follow the exact same script, but if we, as he said, fast and pray to start, and then equip and send people out to do something, then we can see a really big impact for these programs. - Mm ... I love our divisions, Zanita, the diversity and all the different, cultures , and people represented, and we've had a taste of that today.
The different plans in the different regions will look a little bit different, but they're all focused on building the kingdom, growing our church members' faithfulness, and preparing and praying [00:27:00] for one another, and supporting each other in those initiatives so that we're all- Mm ... pulling in the same direction.
And I think, , yeah, that's a really important thing. , So- Yeah.
Zanita Fletcher: Yeah, and just wanna encourage, obviously this isn't something that everyone... Well, hopefully everyone in Australia listening will get involved in Australia but TPUM for Christ starts next month. - Mm-hmm ... actually, hang on. It starts in July, goes through to August.
July, yeah. , And if you can't go, there are many people, many leaders who are already praying and fasting in preparation for that. , So you can definitely get involved by praying, and if you feel- Yeah ... called to fast as well. -
Jarrod Stackelroth: Yeah. Not all- As he said, call- ... of us can feel like we can preach, not all of us can maybe take time off or afford to go and do something like this.
But at the same time, we can be praying for the people there, , and I think that's a really important, contribution to make, and not to be underestimated. We saw the power of prayer in Papua New Guinea and how that moved the needle for Papua New Guinea for Christ, how it really impacted a whole [00:28:00] nation.
And so it's very exciting to see, as this is rolled out across our division, , what it could become. Yeah. But we need you. We need you and me, and all of us to pray, to, , support in whatever way we can. And when it comes to a region near you, when it's in your backyard, we can still look at what we can do.
We can nurture- Mm ... new people coming in, we can be welcoming and friendly, we can, , , share and invite people to events that we know that are happening that, that might be beneficial or might give them, , a new perspective on life. , There's so much that we can all do if we're, , willing and able to get involved.
So very- Mm ... exciting initiative.
Zanita Fletcher: Very exciting, yeah. Jarrod, , we do like to get practical. We just got practical just then but are there any last, final practical kind of takeaways that, Yeah, I, I guess a good advice for people to get involved
Jarrod Stackelroth: I was doing it subtly without doing it- ... doing it, you know?
I was sort of already practicing. Well, prayer is definitely a big [00:29:00] one. , The other thing you can do, if , you may have seen this video wherever you've seen it or you're listening to the podcast, , but if you're following Record, if you're subscribed to the e-newsletter, each week you'll get updates on programs that are happening, and it's not just an update, Zanita, it might be inspiration.
So you're reading what other people are doing, and it might inspire you to do something in your own area. So that's something practical you can do. Keep up with South Pacific for Christ, find out what's happening, continue to monitor Record channels and understand what those conversations are that are happening, seeing testimonies, seeing stories on Instagram or Facebook or any other of our platforms, and that will give you inspiration.
It's maybe stories you can share at your own church to encourage the membership. , There's a lot of different things that you can find out if you just are willing to stay up to date and be aware of those. So yeah, follow us, subscribe to our email, and , keep abreast of the conversation so you too can know what to pray for, know [00:30:00] how to get involved, and know who to support when those times come.
And next week we're gonna hear from Australian Union and from the PNG Union. So we're gonna hear from those two union presidents, and we're gonna hear more about their plans for South Pacific for Christ. But until then, and potentially for the last time for Record Live for myself, God bless.
We love you all. Mm. And thank you so much for listening.
Zanita Fletcher: Yeah, thanks everyone for jumping on. Jarrod and I were just reflecting recently how this channel has grown and how much more support we've gotten over the years, so we're really grateful for that. And yeah, very grateful for you, Jarrod. , We pray that you will be blessed abundantly wherever you go, but I'm sure we'll see you again.
Jarrod Stackelroth: Thank you, Zanita. It's been great to, to do this with you for so long, so really appreciate it. Well, that's it. God bless. Bye, y'all. And we'll see you again on Record Live.
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