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To the outside world Susan Choi was your typical, happy, well rounded go-getter. An amazing family, a solid group of friends, and a highly coveted corporate job. However, what no one realized was, she was constantly pushing herself harder and harder until one day the body said, “NO”. The never ending need for perfection and the constant negative voice in her head suddenly made itself very clear that things needed to change ASAP because she had hit rock bottom. She found some of the bes...
Begin Again is for people in the second half of life who sense that the identity they've been carrying no longer fits. Host Winston Faircloth — spiritual director, daily poet, and fellow traveler — brings honest conversation, personal story, and original poetry to the journey of remembering, releasing, and returning to who God created you to be. Visit www.myreuniontour.com for more resources.
Hey there. It's Winston Faircloth, and welcome back to the Begin Again podcast. Today, another special treat. I have a friend of mine, guest Susan Choi. Susan is one of the leading experts in adrenal failure and stress.
Winston Faircloth:She draws this from her own personal experience. Her journey has really helped not only turn her life around, but it's helped so many hundreds of other people cope with the circumstances in their life and help them reframe and receive see that they have control and agency over their life. She's also the host of the STRESSPROOF podcast. With that, let's welcome Susan. Susan Choi, my hidden weapon from 2017 and 2018.
Winston Faircloth:Welcome to the podcast.
Susan Choi:I love that intro. Thank you so much, Winston. I'm excited to be here.
Winston Faircloth:Well, Susan, I call you my hidden weapon because you and I did some one to one coaching over that period of time and you helped me so much with my mindset. I was in a season of significant stress and overwhelm and challenge, and you were my hidden secret weapon to help me reframe and re see how I could take what was going on in my life and really make it work for me instead of the other way around. So I'm teasing it up a little bit. Tell folks who you are and how you're serving people today.
Susan Choi:Well, first of all, I am honored to be here. I'm honored to even receive those words. So thank you so much. And for those of you that don't know me, my name is Susan Choi. I am a high performance stress management coach.
Susan Choi:And I actually say to so many people that this work found me and for good reason, because I was that person. I was the type of person that's very type a always wanted to get to that next level. I wanted to up level, you know, to that next version of myself. But along the way, what happened was that I became extremely stressed and eventually was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue. That's how far the stress had gotten.
Susan Choi:And I had no idea that I was the one that was actually producing that stress Because all that time, I thought that what was happening was it was the job, it was the move, it was the relationships that were causing my stress. And obviously, Winston, we can go wherever we want to go with that. But literally, that was the awakening of my life. And I had to rebuild. I had to go in that new direction because if I didn't, then life would perpetuate that circumstance where the perpetuated itself over and over again, leading me to God knows where.
Winston Faircloth:Well, I think that's a great begin again story that can help so many people that will be listening to this. Why don't you take us back to what you were doing in corporate, right? You were in a corporate setting. Why don't you tell us a little bit about that? And then this progression on how you awaken to this realization about what was going on in your life and how did you solve it?
Susan Choi:Anybody from the outside looking in at my life would have said that she has the perfect life. I was working at a top four consulting firm. I was doing management consultant strategy and operations for Fortune 100 companies, working with very, very high level executives that will go unnamed. We had code names for certain projects because if anybody had leaked that information, then they would know exactly who leaked it. But, you know, I was on this trajectory and path in my life and in my career where I had the right network of friends, I had an amazing career, I was traveling, I had so many hobbies that people would have found interesting.
Susan Choi:And yet as time progressed, I found myself more miserable, more stressed out. I had an immense fear of failure and rejection. And I eventually ended up with an overeating problem.
Winston Faircloth:And
Susan Choi:I had no idea why. I had no idea that it was all of these things outside of me. That's what I thought it was. And so what I would do was I was trying to control my entire world and the universe by making sure that I had the right project, making sure I was at the right company, making sure I had the perfect clients. And that can be said with making sure I was eating the right foods, making sure I was doing the right amount of workout.
Susan Choi:Like, I was doing everything outside of me to control that circumstance so that I could be at peace and without any stress and without any problems internally. And eventually, what ended up happening was I went to the doctor. This is a naturopathic doctor in San Francisco. She eventually told me, I mean, we did a whole, you know, four point cortisol salivary test, the whole deal. And when she received the test back, she basically told me that I had adrenal fatigue.
Susan Choi:My circadian rhythm was completely flipped. And for those that don't know what that means, it means that when you wake up, that's when your cortisol should be the highest and it should taper off as you go throughout the day and eventually go to bed. But instead, mine was the complete opposite, which when I received the diagnosis, it made so much sense, because I thought that I was going crazy. I was starting to get insomnia. I started to get anxiety, all of these things that were so unlike me.
Susan Choi:And when I received the diagnosis, I was partly relieved, but partly devastated because a part of my identity was falling away. I couldn't work out anymore. I used to love CrossFit and Olympic weightlifting. I couldn't travel anymore. I couldn't work the way that I wanted to.
Susan Choi:You know, work was almost my defense mechanism of proving to the world that I was enough. I also, you know, couldn't do small things that I absolutely loved, which was seeing my friends are going to brunch, even that alone was very difficult for me to do. And so the abridged version of all that, if that wasn't already long enough, was that I spent the next two years doing everything that I can to find every doctor, every and any doctor that knew about adrenal fatigue. I took as many different types of variations of supplements and hormones to help heal my body, but it wasn't until the end of that journey. And by the way, all of those things were great.
Susan Choi:And if I were to list every little supplement program methodology that I actually participated in, that list would be endless. But at the end of that journey, I realized that all of those things were still addressing the symptoms. It was still addressing the effect of stress. And that's when I realized and I pieced the meal together over a decade of personal change work that I had already been on a journey on. And it just all made sense in terms of what was actually causing my stress.
Susan Choi:And that's when I began again, like my whole life changed from that point forward.
Winston Faircloth:And can I only imagine that if you're in that state and you are going to all the supposed experts and you're trying every protocol that's out there, everything that you can put your hands on, that's got to even take your level of stress even higher? Right. It's not bringing it down. It's actually adding to because you don't see a path. You don't see a solution.
Winston Faircloth:Right.
Susan Choi:Right. I mean, I would say that every time I found a new doctor, there would be this hope within me that said, this is going to be it. But I remember very vividly, it was very, very late at night. I couldn't go to bed And I was dreading the next day because my stress had gotten to that point where I was starting to feel broken inside. And I remember just in fetal position on the floor, almost not worthy of the bed.
Susan Choi:I was like, oh my goodness. I honestly don't know if I can get through this again. Like another day, another week. Mhmm. I I try to actually remember that feeling because I know that there are several people out there, not even having to do with adrenal fatigue, but I understand that mindset.
Susan Choi:I understand that pain that most people can find themselves in. And I hold on to that because having experienced that and having come out the other end, I know that it's possible for everybody else. And that's the empathy that I want to come in with when I'm speaking with somebody because I know what that feels like. And it is absolutely possible to come out the other end.
Winston Faircloth:So what was the turning point? What began to unlock this for you? Because it feels like this, you've run up against this complete brick wall of every other protocol that you can come up with and now something happens, something shifts.
Susan Choi:Yes. So I didn't realize what I was doing at the time. There was no label for it. That wasn't until I met other teachers and I was like, oh, that's what I had been doing. But essentially, you know, I woke up that day and I remember walking into work.
Susan Choi:That was the only form of exercise that I could actually do once I had some level of energy back. But I remember walking into work and as soon as the thought would enter my mind, I would literally and figuratively in my mind, look the other way and say next. I joke to my clients even now that next is one of my favorite words in the dictionary. Because you guys know that if you've ever had a thought over and over again, it makes no sense to even think it anymore. Next, I literally sat my fingers and like next moving on.
Susan Choi:And so I was doing that. Over a period of thirty days, all of these symptoms related to adrenal fatigue and otherwise just started to fall off. And it wasn't until later when I met the right teachers that it all had to do with the neural network in your mind. You you're creating better thoughts, not necessarily positive thoughts, but just better thoughts that help to deactivate the what fires together wires together so that you're actually wiring together a new neural network. And it was and, you know, it was all these other things too, like sitting with an emotion.
Susan Choi:I had no idea what that even was. And, you know, I remember sitting with the therapist and I was talking to her about a problem and she goes, I want you to just sit with that for sixty seconds and let me know what you feel at the end. And I remember the first month or two, when she would constantly tell me to sit with that, I would just sit there and be like, am I supposed to feel something right now? Like, what is this feeling? Do I feel something like, I just didn't know how to feel anything.
Susan Choi:And so, you know, it's like knowing that those two are related. And yet, when we go about the world, and when we try to relieve our stress, we're either fixing a symptom of stress, like the effect of stress, such as you're weak or not your week, but you're, you're, you go for a massage because your muscles are tight, or you'd go take a bath or you journal and you vent to a friend or you go for a run. Those are all managing the effects of stress, but never the root cause. And I didn't realize that oh, the root cause comes from your brain and your heart. It's your brain, your thoughts that you're thinking and then the emotions that you have not processed.
Winston Faircloth:Did you find, this is something I noticed in my journey too. Did you find that you had a hard time languaging your feelings? Absolutely. I so many, I noticed this in the English language. We have such a limited vocabulary for that versus other languages have many nuanced words for feelings that, we tend not to have in the English language.
Susan Choi:Yes. I find that with the clients that I work with, oftentimes they will say something. So when I ask them a question of how does that make you feel? Or what do you feel right now? They'll say something such as, well, I feel like I just have to go over there and talk to that person, or I feel like I should just draft the email and send it right away so that this feeling will go away.
Susan Choi:And I say, no, that's not a feeling. Those are actions. Right. And it's very indicative of the fact that we were never taught to understand our emotional language. And that's why the take that I have with all of my clients and the process that I walk them through is more much more creative.
Susan Choi:And as you know, you know, we're talking about what does the feeling look like? How does it feel in your body? Where exactly is it? And that helps you to drop into your body instead of actually feeling the emotion through the drama of your mind. Because that's where really suffering comes from is that you're experiencing the emotion through your mind and you're not experiencing it in the body.
Winston Faircloth:Yeah, you brought me back to a couple of our sessions where you had me visualize where it was in my body and actually move it outside my body and see it, you know, close-up and far away and all kinds of other visualization exercises that were super helpful to me in terms of A, beginning to experience it inside the body and B, understanding that it all was triggered from a thought.
Susan Choi:Yes, yes, absolutely. If you look up the definition of an emotion, it's an instinctive or intuitive feeling as a direct result from reasoning and knowledge. And when we think about reasoning and knowledge, those all come from us individually, from our beliefs, our experiences, and they all get translated down into a single thought that you're thinking in that moment, which causes the emotion. And that's why when I look back at all my entire 20s, and I remember all of the travel experiences and all the hobbies that I took up and all of the moving that I did, which is great. I mean, I'm not discounting any of those.
Susan Choi:Those are amazing. But I didn't realize at the time that I was taking my brain and heart with me wherever I went. I mean, you're bringing your old thoughts with you, you're bringing all of that unprocessed emotion with you wherever you go. And it was when I realized that that I wanted to do this work, I wanted to help people understand that as long as you can understand the type of thoughts that you're thinking in that moment, how to think better thoughts at the right time, and process the emotion, then you can go somewhere and really bring your full self, the evolution of who you are into that experience and it's even better.
Winston Faircloth:So you had this moment of next.
Susan Choi:Yes.
Winston Faircloth:And over thirty days, over this repetitive process of seeing that that was helping you, you cured yourself of, I'm using air quotes here, you cured yourself of adrenal fatigue.
Susan Choi:It was all of that. It wasn't just the next. But it was the the next allowed me to just let go. What I mean by that is one of the better thoughts that I had to think for myself is worst case scenario, if I had to live with this, so what? What now?
Susan Choi:Because what was causing me so much suffering before was I was arguing against my own current reality.
Winston Faircloth:Ah, yes.
Susan Choi:Right? I was in resistance to what was happening. I was thinking to myself, what if this never changes? You know, how come I'm the one experiencing this? Nothing is working.
Susan Choi:I was literally arguing with my current experience instead of just being with it. Yes. And so every time the thought comes up, I just allowed myself to say next and be with the moment that I was already in instead of dragging myself to this. I don't know what you would call it, like a parallel universe where it didn't exist, which isn't true. And so it wasn't until I did that as well as really understanding the emotional body.
Susan Choi:So I always say that your mind is where you what you're experiencing and your intellectually and what you know to be true, but then your body will tell you what your subconscious is really thinking. And you need to merge those two. You can't have one or the other. And so once I started practicing both,
Winston Faircloth:managing
Susan Choi:the brain, managing my emotions, that's when I started to find much more peace. And I was able to fall into that deeper part of myself that was just simply okay with what is. And it's from that place that you could actually think strategically about, okay, what next? What do want to do with my life? What do I want to feel?
Susan Choi:How can I generate that for myself?
Winston Faircloth:And this led you to wanting to help and share this discovery with others, right? I mean, this became part of your, a very important part of your journey.
Susan Choi:Oh, absolutely. I mean, I will not lie. And I've said this publicly before, in that dark moment of the soul or whatever you want to call it, I remember praying to God, the universe, like whatever you want to call it, I was like, Oh my God, if you can heal me of this, I promise I will share exactly how I did this. And then I was like, Wait, wait, wait, wait. Before I sealed the deal, I was like, Wait, am I?
Susan Choi:Am I real? What does that exactly entail? Because I mean, at the time, I didn't want to start a business, I didn't want to coach. I was just, you know, I was just trying to heal myself. And I thought that the more traditional career was the right path for me.
Susan Choi:And it wasn't until all the puzzle pieces kind of fell in together. Because up until that point, I had all these puzzle pieces. I just didn't know how to merge them into that's INTJ ing me. I wanted a system.
Winston Faircloth:But
Susan Choi:it wasn't until that moment that I thought, oh, I get it. And that's when I had to share the work because there was something inside of me that said, you know something that can probably help somebody. Your story can probably help somebody.
Winston Faircloth:And that's, you know, having a few months a few months removed from our work together now and watching your business and how it's progressed. One of the things I noticed about you is that you are the future version of your ideal client. In other words, you are embodying that identity. You are one with your future client because you've been in those shoes. Experienced it and you've experienced the transformation that you're taking your clients through.
Susan Choi:Oh, yes. I mean, I get so many people even through my emails, the emails that I send, I do a weekly newsletter, and I also just send other types of emails. And I always get a response back that says something to the effect of, do you know what I'm thinking? And it's because I've been there, I have thought the exact same thoughts. And I know exactly it's that empathy that I was telling you about earlier in this, you know, just a few moments ago of, I know exactly what my client is going through.
Susan Choi:And I've been there myself. And it's, it's everything from the overeating, it's everything from wondering why a smart person like me is struggling with this. And I say this, because, you know, most people that you and I know and who we are, we've achieved so much in our life. And yet that one person will trigger us, or the one family member or it's the overeating problem, we're wondering to ourselves, why can't I figure that one thing out? And I totally get it.
Winston Faircloth:Yeah, I'm smart. I've got all these accomplishments. I've been able to do all these things. I've overcome so many challenges in my life. How come I can't get this unlocked?
Winston Faircloth:Right?
Susan Choi:Exactly. Yeah. And I always say that once I once I understood, and by the way, what I teach other people is what I do for myself every single day.
Winston Faircloth:And
Susan Choi:it wasn't until all those puzzle pieces kind of came together, that it was as if I unlocked a secret to how the world worked. It's like, Oh, my goodness, I understand now. I understand all of the years, decade of misery that I was in this chronic level of something is missing. Why am I still stressed? Why does this bother me?
Susan Choi:I understood all of that. And that's why I get so excited when I talk to somebody that's been in those shoes. I'm like, this is going to help you. You'll at least get your sanity back. And then with that sanity, you can do whatever you want with your life.
Winston Faircloth:Yes. And it's in, you know, I found, just our work together. You really helped me unlock a lot of limiting beliefs, a lot of unsupportive beliefs. And more importantly for me, just connecting the mind and the body because I spent a big chunk of my life being an achievement and being in thought, but not experiencing the rest of my body to any degree.
Susan Choi:Yes. And this is something that I've, you know, as I work with my clients, I'm finding that so much of who we base ourselves by and our identity is by the success labels. And what's happened over time is that we forget who we are, because we only see ourselves as the managing partner or the CEO or the business owner or whatever it is. But we only define ourselves by that way, because to be honest, on the outside looking in, that's how people identify you as well. And so we attach ourselves to that label.
Susan Choi:Over time, and I mean, this isn't something that we do over a year period, this is our entire lifetime, is that so many people have an external reward system now instead of an internal reward system. They haven't built the part of their identity where they're so proud of themselves for even having taken the risk, for having following their dreams, for showing up as the father or the mother that they know that they can be. Instead, what they're doing is they're basing their entire life on how can I support, how can I provide? Those are important. But if that's your number one reward system that you're kind of facing your life by, you're going to be attached to the exact opposite.
Susan Choi:Because on a subconscious level, you're saying, if I'm not that, then I'm this. And that's what's causing a lot of people suffering is that they are not building that internal identity up as much as they are the external.
Winston Faircloth:Well, the other part about the external is if it's conferred to you by an external source, it can be taken away by an external source too.
Susan Choi:Exactly. Exactly. It's not even within our control. That's the most ironic part. And that's the thing is most people do it backwards is that they try to control the circumstance.
Susan Choi:They try to control the job security or that they have the right team members so that they can reach their sales numbers or whatever it is. But those are all things that, yes, you can try to control all that and 90% of the time you might be able to, but it's taking up so much of your time and resources and you'll be exhausted. And even then, at the end of the day, that 10% is going to come in whenever it wants to.
Winston Faircloth:Yeah, the feeling that we think we can control timing or anything is kind of fun. We were talking about this just before we hit record in terms of seasons of waiting or seasons when we don't feel aligned with what we're to do next. Do you want to share anything in terms of your recent you're going into 2020 and ready to hit the hit the hit the road and and then you felt a check against your spirit on that?
Susan Choi:Yeah, so I am a type a go getter, if people can't tell already. I like to put things on the calendar, achieve them. And, you know, I'm also a creator, like I love creating things. And at 2020, when 2020 came around, and this was planning for 2020 as well, I had this idea of what I wanted to accomplish starting in the month of January. But then the month of January rolled around and I wasn't feeling the fire.
Susan Choi:I wasn't feeling that inspired action coming through. And typically, having not done this work, I would have kind of pushed through on that. I would have done everything that I can because I can. I think most of us can. But it wasn't in alignment with where I was.
Susan Choi:And instead of arguing against my current reality, I decided to go with the flow because I know that once I'm in alignment, I am going to get the work done faster anyway and it's going to be a much better product. And so I just allowed myself to be where I am instead of judging why am I feeling this way, why I not aligned, and making that a bad thing. I think a lot of people, just because they're feeling a certain way, that's the opposite of what they want to feel means that something is wrong, but nothing is wrong. That's what I'm always saying to people is, but nothing is wrong. What is the problem?
Susan Choi:Right? And once we realize that just because you don't feel inspired right now doesn't mean that it's bad. It's actually a period in time where you're cultivating, you're incubating something and something amazing is going to happen down the road.
Winston Faircloth:Yeah. I mean, we have seasons of waiting. We have seasons of acceleration. We have times of doors opening wide open. We have times the doors are closed.
Winston Faircloth:I think I mentioned to you that a lot of times those closed doors can be seasons of protection from an idea or a concept or a connection that is not ready.
Susan Choi:Always, always because why would you want to believe that it's a closed door? I'm always you know, whenever I work with a client or even friends, although I try not to do with friends, whenever I'm working with a client, and they they're saying a thought, but they don't even realize that they're saying it or thinking it. I pointed out to them and I say, how is that thought helping you right now? What's the upside of that? Because that thought is poisonous.
Susan Choi:You think it's helpful. That's the thing is that most people, especially people in corporate or people who own their own businesses, they're so analytical in the sense that they like solving problems. They want to fix things. They want to move on to the next thing. But sometimes in that analytical process, you don't realize that you're making something mean, something negative.
Winston Faircloth:Yes.
Susan Choi:And it's like you have to be so careful because your brain thinks that it's helping and that it's solving a problem. But really, you're just mulling over something over and over again, and it's causing you so much pain.
Winston Faircloth:Well, I love your story in terms of how you took your own personal experience and you made this promise to the universe, to God now that you were going to share this. Now you've been doing that now for several years in terms of taking people on these journeys of discovery and connectedness between head, heart and soul. There are people out to listening to the show who are facing their own pivot fork in the road. Maybe they're starting over fresh. What kinds of advice would you share with them in terms of an inspirational takeaway from your own work, your own story?
Susan Choi:That is such a good question and it can go in so many directions.
Winston Faircloth:All right. We're ready.
Susan Choi:Yeah. I would say if you're at a fork in the road, and you don't know which direction that you want to go in, I would ask yourself the question, if every option usually it's they're choosing between two options. I would say that if they both went really well, like if no matter what both options were going to turn out fantastic, which one would you go with? Because oftentimes, the reason why we don't go for the one that we really want to is because we are afraid that it's not going to work out. And so we again, it's the analytical mind in us.
Susan Choi:We think of all these logical, and I say logical in quotes, logical reasons as to why we shouldn't or as to why it's so risky. But if we were to just play for a second and ask ourselves a question, if they were both going to be amazing, which one would I go for? Because the amazing thing that you want on one hand might seem boring to you. But then the other amazing thing that works out that you were actually afraid of, you would jump on it right away and it immediately tells you what your brain is thinking without even having done any real thought work on it. That's the shortcut version how you can actually get to understand your mind.
Susan Choi:And so, you know, with that said, I would say on a much deeper level, I always tell my clients in terms of trying to hear your intuition or your higher guidance or, you know, listening to the soul, you have to clean up your thinking. Because when you have all this white noise, and our brain has so many voices, right? When you have all that going on at a higher frequency, you can't, you can't drop down and really hear what you need to hear. And so you need to do the thought work in terms of what are all my thoughts in my brain? Why am I thinking this one?
Susan Choi:Oh, let me drill down and figure out why is there a part of me that doesn't want to do this or that does want to do this? And the more that you explore, the more firm you become in terms of understanding and seeing which direction you need to go in. And then, of course, the other half of that is all of the things that you're afraid of, it always boils down to a feeling. Like the worst case scenario that we ever imagined ourselves to be in, the situation is always temporary. You're always going to find a way to make it better.
Susan Choi:I mean, that's how we've come to whatever age we are living in right now. Whether you're 65, 29, 35, whatever age you are, you've made it through many worse things in the past. But what prevents us from going into something in the future is because we don't want to feel something. If you were to understand on both a somatic and cognitive level that a momentum of a feeling is only ninety seconds and that every emotion actually has a positive intent, you have practiced that enough to not be afraid of certain emotions, then your world just opens up because you're not as afraid anymore. And then you can do the right thing.
Susan Choi:So again, I told you I could go in all sorts of directions, but that's kind of what I would say.
Winston Faircloth:No, I, you know, there are, I have a friend of mine who I was, we were talking about fear the other day. And she said, this was something of a little practice she started doing. She said when, when fear rises up in her, she makes an appointment with fear. She says, I'll see you at 05:30 this afternoon. We'll hold it till then.
Winston Faircloth:And but when 05:30 comes around, it's gone. She's moved on. She said I capture an appointment with fear for later in the day. I'll get to you then. And it's really an effective little practice.
Susan Choi:Yeah, everything that you're feeling good or bad, it just wants to tell you something.
Winston Faircloth:But
Susan Choi:we are so in our mind about it, of in our heart and in our body about it, that the mind drama, I call it emotional drama, because emotion there are there's no such thing as drama of emotions. Emotional drama happens when we haven't thought about the emotion, ironically. Right? It's when we have all of these thoughts about what we're about to or what we are feeling. But an emotion is just a vibration in our body.
Susan Choi:It can't actually do anything to us. It's the thought that we have about it that causes so much pain.
Winston Faircloth:All the suffering.
Susan Choi:All of the suffering comes from our thoughts about it. Yes. Yeah, because when we actually feel sadness, we actually feel stress or anxiety, it's simply a feeling in our body. But what prolongs all of that, what prolongs the suffering, what makes it unnecessary is all of your thoughts about what's happening.
Winston Faircloth:Well, Susan, this is a great tee up to the work that you're doing with your clients today. Your podcast, which is amazing. You've been doing it now for over a year. You had your year celebration recently, anniversary of your STRESSPROOF podcast. Why don't you share how people could connect with you and learn more about your work?
Susan Choi:Yes. So I can be found on social media Susan Choi Wellness or everybody can head over to the website, which is www.stressproofpodcast.com.
Winston Faircloth:It's an amazing podcast. You get a little sample of Susan's insight. You get a real sample of her personality and her experience in helping people with all of these challenges in their head and in their body. You've been a wonderful mentor to me, guide, coach. You've helped me so much and I'm glad to share your story with my audience today.
Winston Faircloth:So thank you for being here.
Susan Choi:Thank you, Winston. And I just wanted to say it has been an honor. And I am so glad that we met and I hope that my story today or anything that I have shared today can help somebody out there in your audience.
Winston Faircloth:I know it will. Thanks for being here.
Susan Choi:Thanks.
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