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Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general!
Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer.
John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine.
Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records.
Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world.
Circling the Drain is produced by ItsYourShow.co
Unknown: And that's one thing I
love about podcasts. It's like
Joe Rogan. He's had, he had,
there's a female comedian that
I've really fallen in love with,
Whitney Cummings. He had a great
interview with her. Yeah, the
only thing I have problem with,
and maybe you can explain this
to me, because a lot of his
podcasts are very long.
Long form content is doable. You
know, as a Podcast Producer, I
get asked all the time, how long
should it be, and I always say,
Well, how long can you make a
conversation compelling? If you
feel like you're missing
conversational exit ramps, you
should probably take one of
them. Okay with Bill Cuomo, he
was one of those guys where we
could have done a three and a
half hours. Yeah, we could have
Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all
goes down the disposal. This is
circling the drain. Alright,
buddy rolling.
Hey, welcome back into circling
the drain. It's the podcast with
John E Bozeman, Johnny B, right
here, over there, my buddy. Jay
Harper, hey,
thank you. John, earnest, as we
now turn to James, Patrick, Hey,
John, thank you. Hey, I just
forgot how to talk,
man. Good. Good to see you guys.
See, you guys, it's been forever
since we have gotten together
here. It has been a while, you
know, we're up to 24 episodes, I
believe, not counting this one.
So it has gone by quickly. Yes,
it does, you know. And we've
only been at this a few months,
and hopefully, as we are
recording this, we'll be up to
900 followers on Facebook, maybe
1000 Yep, 1000 is our milestone
goal. So I like share, follow
all that stuff on Facebook.
And in fact, if we that 1,000th
follower, I may get you some
free jerky, some beef jerky
and we and some,
some T shirts, yeah, swag, some
swag,
some swag for you, even doing a
live event. Yeah, we all 1000 of
you
there. Yeah, we're, we're
shooting
for that. You know, you
mentioned that, and yes, I know
we've kind of talked about that
in the past, and we are working
on a live event here that we
have plans for. So, yeah, so
we're gonna, we're gonna keep
you posted on that. Yeah, look
into live streaming. You may
want
to post your partners.
Look into live streaming.
Carl Wayne Meekins has agreed to
perform. And so anyway, there's
some stuff going on, very cool.
Some stuff, are we gonna have
dancing girls? Well, my wife,
she would, she would dance
maybe, hey, that's what we could
do,
yeah, get the wives. Did the
wives? Yeah, they could. They
could be our dancing girls,
exactly, yeah. Let's see how
that goes
on. Courtney would love to do
that. Yeah.
Glenn would too enough. Jack
Daniels in hell, I'd be a
dancing girl.
Well, we would, yeah, we could
do that. We could dress as
girls. Yeah, we could. I mean,
it's, it is, you know, it is the
sign of the times. Is that?
Right? It seems to be speaking
of the sign of the times too.
Because, you know, we all are
radio guys in the past, and we
now got into podcasting. And do
you guys like do you listen to
podcasts others beside ours, or,
and I know you work on a ton of
podcasts, I
listen to a lot of them as well.
Yeah, not because I have to,
because it's, you know, being a
practitioner of what I do that
we produce podcasts here. It's
also listening to see what other
people are doing, you know. And
it's like the big thing from a
production standpoint, podcasts
aren't as highly polished as
radio. No, they're not, you
know, but they're still doing
better than radio Yes,
they are so, so, and I think a
lot of that is that people enjoy
being talked with, talked to,
and they and they also, I think
there's just something more
personable about a podcast over
a radio station, because two
podcasts aren't a lot of them
are not run by these huge
corporations, right? So you
don't have somebody beating down
on you saying, Jay, you can't
say that next time.
Yes, and you're right. I mean,
it's more free form. The
restrictions are not there. The
only restrictions are the ones
you place on yourself. Of
course, you know, we try, you
know, I do see podcasts where,
you know, they throw the F word
or, I mean, it's sure, you know.
And we try not to do that stuff,
not that there were prudes or
anything. You know, that's one
thing. I mean, I've got a, you
know, a little well, he's almost
four years old. Four year old,
grandson. Son that likes to, you
know, just because grandpa's on
it, you know, he likes to watch
the thing. But, you know, we
like to think that it's suitable
for all ages. Now, while the
subject matter may be over
little kids heads, you know, you
can have it on as a parent or
grandparent with the kids in
their grandchildren in the room,
and not feel like you're gonna
have to run for the you know,
the mute button, right? So, but
Johnny, or excuse me, Jim, when
you listen and watch some of
these other podcasts, I mean,
have you, have you taken stuff
from those and applied them to
the things that you're doing?
Yeah, I mean, in my podcast,
I've been a lot more casual,
like, as radio guys, we're
trained to come out of, like, a
bumper. Let's write, you're
like, hey, this is what we do.
I've adopted the Joe Rogan
approach of, like, almost mid
sentence, mid thought, you know,
very casual going into a
conversation, even though, in my
personal podcast, it's a bumper
with the music. I'm actually
flying the faders while we're
going into it right so it's all
baked in. And I think that
creates that forward momentum.
Maybe it's what we should
probably do. The same thing
here, at some point we can, we
can do that. But I think
ultimately, having those types
of elements with that radio
touch, but at the same time,
very the casual aspect of it,
you know, just going, like, five
of my guest sitting across from
me, I'm like, literally going to
be like, so, you know, what do
you think about, you know,
snowshoes, or whatever the topic
might be. And it just be a very
kind of awkward, you know, off
base, interesting kind of
surprise, Broca, part of the
brain moment to just get the
flow going, you know. And
eventually I go, Okay, this is a
mostly Middle Tennessee business
podcast. Blah, blah, blah. And,
you know, my guest today is so
and so and so, you know? And
then we kind of, I form right
that way. But I love the real
casual flow intro going into
things well.
And I also love it's like some
of our guests we've had on,
because I've seen some of these
folks on other podcasts, but I
would say that a lot of them
have just been great stories
that they these people have
brought out, which is kind of
why we call this circling the
drain. We don't want these
stories to circle the drain and
go away forever. Yes, and we've
had so many interesting people,
like Deborah Allen, some of the
stories she had right about when
she was early in Nashville, and,
yeah, hanging out at hillbilly
central with Waylon and Tom Paul
and Shel Silverstein and all
those right.
And Bill Cuomo with his stories,
you know. And we do get the
comments on social media that
people appreciate the fact that
these stories are being
preserved in a way. Yeah, you
know that they're, they're being
almost cataloged for posterity.
You know, especially a guy like
Gary Gentry, who, oh my gosh,
one of the real old school guys.
And, you know, we're not above
you know, Gary's got so many
great stories. We're probably
gonna have him back at some
point.
Oh yeah, we'll definitely know
back. And he's actually, I
watched him on another podcast,
and I'll even plug the guy,
Dylan Weldon, I think is the
guy's name. He does a lot of
country music
Yeah, interview, yeah, I'd love
to have him. Oh
yeah, I would too. But yeah,
Gary was on his and once again,
just some great stories. And
that's one thing I love about
podcasts. It's like Joe Rogan.
He's had, he had, there's a
female comedian that I've really
fallen in love with Whitney
Cummings. He had a great
interview with her. Yeah, the
only thing I now I have problem
with, and maybe you can explain
this to me, because a lot of his
podcasts are very long.
Well, if you think about it, you
listen to a morning show. I
mean, back in the days when I
was working with my dad, I would
put they would do Replays of The
Howard Stern Show, yeah, so I
would listen to the replay. And,
you know, while you're working,
you'd listen to three, you know,
three hours, what it would
basically come out to be sure,
maybe two and a half of a show
of all the breaks and stuff.
Well, yeah, I guess it's two and
a half because he did a four
hour show with commercial breaks
and stuff. So there is that, the
long haul, long form content is
doable. You know, as a Podcast
Producer, I get asked all the
time, how long should it be? And
I always say, Well, how long can
you make a conversation
compelling? If you feel like
you're missing conversational
exit ramps, you should probably
take one of them. Okay? With
Bill Cuomo, he was one of those
guys where we could have done a
three and a half hour. Yeah, we
could have easily. We had, we
were restricted by schedule.
I mean, we were about an hour,
almost an hour and 40 minutes
with him. Yeah, we were, he
wanted to keep going, Yeah, and
very well could well
we did too. Actually, we were
enjoying it absolutely. But, you
know, Joe Rogan talked about the
fact that he does three, you
know, three. Hour episodes for a
reason. He says, You can't good
you can't do a good conversation
in an hour. And that's the way
he kind of puts it. He says,
You've people have had three
hour conversations, and you
could just get into areas and
places you get so comfortable,
yeah, the mic disappears, and
you get just really good
content, well. And I was real
shocked and surprised. I think,
I think Joe Rogan was one of the
reasons that Donald Trump got
elected this last time. A lot of
people said it was more so Elon
Musk, but maybe Elon was a
little bit behind it. But I
think that interview with Joe
Rogan did a lot for Donald Trump
because I thought, man, I've
never seen him be so human with
someone. I mean, be be just one
on one, and not so over the top,
not, not, not posed, yeah, and
not doing his Donald Trump
Magical Mystery Tour. Yeah, the
bump into the brain, yeah. Well,
you know, you think back on the
late night talk shows Bill
Clinton, you know, Arsenio
Hall wearing the shade, right?
Yeah, made him a regular guy.
Oh, you know, real, and he made
Bush look like an old folk,
yeah?
He did. And plus, he did. He did
the same thing with Imus. Yep,
when he was on Imus show it,
Bill Clinton just came across
cool and like, you know that
Bill Clinton had it. You talk
about a politician that knew how
to work a room. Oh, yeah, Bill
Clinton. I don't care whether
you agree with him or not, Bill
Clinton was great at being
personable. I remember when the
night that he was being, you
know, at the convention, I
thought it was just brilliant
with him walking the streets to
the convention with Hillary,
making it look like we're just
taking a stroll. Everybody,
everybody's shaking his hand. I
thought, This dude's gonna be
president. He's got it. He's got
it in the back.
Same thing with Obama. Yes, he
did the same thing. That's the
thing is that the Democratic
Party has got a corner, the
market cornered on the coolness
factor when it's time for it,
right?
And basically coming across as
we're one of you. We're one of
the people,
yeah, and that's we will, we
will put free soda in the in the
caf, lunch room, cafeteria,
absolutely, exactly. Everybody's
gonna get a free lunch.
Everybody's getting a free candy
at the table every time you go
to lunch at school. Like,
remember the kids that would run
for class president? Sure, yeah,
that's what they do?
Oh, yeah. Well, that's what
Trump did this last time. I
thought it was great to go into
McDonald's and work, also
getting in the trash, in the
garbage truck. I mean, that kind
of stuff goes a long way, it
does, and it will get you
elected.
Well, you know, in the podcast
world, allows not to be filtered
and edited up by mainstream
media. And we know that that has
been that's gone on for, you
know, as long as mainstream
media has been around. But, you
know, heck, Donald Trump sued
over it with the Kamala Harris
interview that got chopped up.
Oh yeah. And actually, one won a
settlement with that. So, so
yeah, I mean the podcast world
and, well, you know, radio
interviews, the live radio
interviews, can be unfiltered as
well, sure, but I don't know
podcast just has the the kind of
hip factor, and the M thing,
where radio is thought,
especially in younger
generations, to just be this
obsolete thing that is not to be
given much credence these days.
Well, I think a lot of it is
too. It's so corporate, like
this room right here. This
doesn't come across as
corporate. When you come in this
room, it feels like we're in a
living room. But, you know, I
think, I think that adds to its
charm a little bit, and that's
why a guest will become more
relaxed and tell stories. I
mean, who would ever thought
that Bill Cuomo would tell the
stories that he did on Barbra
Streisand? No kidding, but you
know, that's one thing I and
what was really funny about that
I got more people that had
worked with Barbra Streisand in
one way or another. You know,
talking to me say, oh, gosh,
yes, she was a D, oh, you won't
believe it was just funny. How
that? But it's because it's so
relaxed and you don't have some
corporation telling you, oh, you
can't talk about that. You can't
do this, yeah, you can't do
that. I think that's one big
thing that makes podcasts so
interesting to people.
Well, Jim, you being the
podcast. Asked expert here in
the room now in do you foresee,
or do you envision? All right,
you get a sponsor. Are you
limited by what you can say
because of a spot you know, no
different than radio in that
respect. I mean, you don't want
to bite the hand that feeds you.
I have the conversation
with some of my podcast clients
that want to go into networks
and stuff like that, and I say,
well, being that you're of a
you're a podcast that has
conviction has stuck a flag in
the soil, and this is what we
believe you're going to attract
like hearted people to the hive,
so to speak. I said, you know,
you can do that organically, on
your own. It's just going to
take a little bit longer, takes
hard work, takes time you can
hit the quote, easy button by
getting into a network scenario.
But that again, you know, think
of who the networks are. It's I
heart. It's, you know, all the
radio conglomerates, pretty
much, big tech, big corporate,
who, yeah, it's, I said, Well,
that's the thing. I said, Yes,
you will get much bigger
exposure, much quicker. You'll
hockey stick. But to what
expense you know? What do you
know? Do you just want to put
the work and time in? Or do you
want it right now and then? Some
have someone tell you what you
can and cannot say, because that
will happen, right? Because what
leverage do you have coming to
the table?
Your independence is being
forfeited, right? Right?
And it's, and it's exactly, you
know, it's the question always
comes down, what leverage do you
have, and can you sell? It is
the, it's the, that's the the
nebulous always
comes on well.
And one thing I love about
people that are independent,
there's another one. I'm
plugging other podcasts here,
but you know, there's one their
friend. This guy's a friend of
mine. He's a young gentleman.
His name is Taylor Berryman, and
he does one called the
poptimist. And yeah, they, I've
heard, you know, they, they are
a little looser with their
language. I mean, they're young
guys, so they cuss. And I don't
know what it is about the
younger generation, but they
just love to use the F word. But
one thing that I thought was
really kind of cool, but he
didn't get to air the episode,
but, and I can't remember her
name now, I'm drawing a blank,
but he had someone that was that
had just moved to the area,
Casey Anthony. Anthony, yes, he
actually had a this dude had a
an interview with Casey Anthony.
He got her on his podcast, and
she was talking freely, and
apparently he was told that he
could not air this episode by
her lawyers, really, yeah, but I
thought, how ballsy of this guy
to get her on his podcast and
try to get it out there. But,
you know, he couldn't have done
that had he been on a, you know,
a big corporate, corporate
sponsored podcast. This was,
he's just independent,
sorry, Johnny, it's all right.
The has the day come. And maybe
this happens in these, these
podcasts that are part of these
networks. I mean, do you get
guests to sign releases? Ah,
it's
probably not a bad idea. On
mine, if I have somebody that's
applying to be on my show, I
have a form on my website, my
link tree, that basically says,
I get it out of the way. I don't
edit anything, okay? And if they
sign off on it, they've
expressed an interest to be on I
think that's implied permission.
I'm not sure legally if that's
correct, but if you sitting here
and you know you're being
recorded and you've said
something, what's your recourse?
Yeah, you can, you know that's,
that's a posturing, leverage
tactic to get them to sign a
release that, hey, well, once
you said it, or you get them
signed ahead of time. Hey, you,
you signed it. This is we get to
use it because that protects
you, because at the end of the
day, you're really a lot of lot
of podcasters will get into the
well, if we start doing that,
then all of a sudden we're not
going to get any guests. No,
that's not true. You know, case
in point, Howard Stern, okay,
and he became notorious for
asking the questions that people
were thinking, and that's what
made him and everybody you know,
if a celebrity was to go on,
especially a woman, she knew
that she was going to be asked
to take her top off, or, you
know, breast size, or who she
had sex with and how much money
she makes, okay, especially if
she was an actress that just
came with the territory. After a
while, he became notorious for
that. If you go on to Howard
Stern thinking otherwise, you're
a fool. So there are ways to
kind of, you know, yeah, in the
beginning you're probably going
to limit your exposure, but
you'll get somebody to come on,
you know, especially if you
start building an audience. You
know, it's the same thing like.
Good. I bring up Gary V Gary
Vaynerchuk. He got, he came to
prominence through the business
world by doing these little wine
tasting videos on YouTube. Right
now. He's probably commands an
audience, 15 million people.
It's he's massive in that that
space, yeah, but he's good
because he's he shoots from the
hip. He's authentic. He he
believes in what he says. He's
not going to try and Bs you.
He's one of the highest paid
public speakers out there. But
in the beginning, he did these
wine tasting videos because his
father had a business, a wine
business, in New Jersey, and he
just started marketing what they
do, giving real reviews of
wines. And he said, Look, if I
get on and I tell you that this
wine that tastes like a
catcher's mitt was rubbed in the
dirt and thrown some grapes in
the middle of it, or something
like that, and it doesn't taste
very good, but I'm giving it a
good review for the sake of
selling it. What does that do
for my integrity and my
reputation, if you all of a
sudden come in and take my
advice to buy this wine, and you
bring it home and it tastes like
garbage that that doesn't help
me at all, because all of a
sudden it's out there, hey,
well, you said, I think the same
thing that a lot of people in
the Podcast world can basically
just double down and be
themselves, if that makes sense.
Does a podcast have to be a
video podcast to really, truly
be successful these days?
I don't think so. I think I
highly recommend it. I don't
know why you wouldn't want
to be Yeah, yeah, but I still
know there are many that are not
just audio, and still do quite
well.
Well, there's some people that
suggest that maybe this one
should be because of me, because
I have a face for radio. I
haven't heard that.
No, no, we've never.
But, yeah, you know, gosh, it's
still, you know, I get
introduced. It still happens,
right? You get introduced to
people, and they will tell you
that joke thing, and everybody,
first one that have ever told
you that.
Well, in fact, I think when Phil
met George W Bush at some
function, some Republican
function, when Phil was
introduced to him, said you're
on the radio, sure got a face
for it.
Totally see him doing it.
George W Bush, what a character
really was now is with, with so
many because there's, that's the
whole thing about podcasts, Jim,
is that you have millions that
that debut said, What do you
see? I mean, do you think that
it's going to be harder for
podcasts to to basically get
into the marketplace?
Yeah, it's funny that you've got
enough, you got so much content
being produced today, there's no
way that everybody on earth will
be able to consume the content.
That's the point where we are
that there's so much of it being
made
well, and you also have a lot of
I'm noticing a lot of Hollywood
stars are now getting into
podcasting point, because the
old model, like we talk about
radio, you look at the model of
Hollywood, even that's kind of
circling the drain, because you
have a lot of people who believe
in the old structure of what,
you know, Hollywood actors and
actresses are and have this, you
know, elevated status in
society. I believe that's
starting to crack, because as of
this weekend, as we're
recording, there's a YouTube
influencer who put out a movie
called Iron Lung, and his name
is Markiplier, huge amongst the
kids. My daughter listens to
him. We got get people here who
know who he is, guys like us. We
were I'm exposed to it because
of my kids. I don't go out of my
way. But here's a dude, 36 years
old, you know, commands an
audience on YouTube of millions
just by I think he built them by
playing video games. And he's
done a couple other different
creative things. He was a film
student, and has made his
living, I think, for the better
part of a decade being a YouTube
influencer. Now, he made a movie
that's in the theaters that will
probably be a massive hit. Wow.
Okay, talk about, you know how
Hollywood is kind of being
antiquated. Well, they
are. I think that's one reason.
I'm
sorry, what was the question?
Did I answer it? You did, but I
think, I think yeah, I think
you're right. Because I, if you
notice, in this last election,
because usually in elections,
you know, celebrities, they did
carry some weight in some former
fashion, I think actually, they
hurt the election, but yeah,
this time they hurt the
Democrats. Everybody, it's
like, look, you're, you're
speaking out on issues that
affect the common man. No one's
buying it anymore.
No, because you're, you're
living in a gated community,
right? You don't live the kind
of life that we do
with our late armed guards,
yeah.
But on the same. But on the same
side of it, as you just pointed
out, I think that's why
celebrities have kind of gone
down in in the projection, how
people project on celebrities is
the fact that you now have, you
have celebrities on YouTube,
yeah, you just have everyday
people that are now becoming
celebrities. I also think that
that people being on social
media makes them feel like
they're a little bit of
celebrity, because people are
following them. People are into
what they're doing. So now stars
just seem like, well, they're,
they're on the same level we
are.
Yeah, well, if you think about
it, I mean, you know, we talk
here to in great detail about
how music, radio in particular,
is just kind of dying medium.
It's a thing of the past. I
mean, think about the movies in
theaters is almost kind of a
they've got a problem. It's a
dying, a dying thing is, more
things are, you know, you stream
the stuff HBO stuff is being is,
you know, coming right to HBO
and Netflix and Amazon Prime,
well, and
you can blame covid for that
too, because, a large degree,
because that really changed our
habits. We used to go to movie
theaters, and when that
happened, we didn't, and we
started streaming, and we
thought, well, it's better to
watch at home, right?
And, you know, heck, at my
house, we've got the stereo set
up and, you know, the big screen
TV and such. But, I mean, people
are so damn rude in movie
theaters now, and that's nothing
new.
But plus, it's expensive as hell
to go to a movie.
Yeah, you know, there was a, you
know, when Dick Van Dyke turned
100 years of age, there were,
there was a special documentary
movie that was released in
theaters that weekend, at select
theaters. I looked into that.
I'm a huge Dick Van Dyke fan.
Looked into that. $44 for one
ticket. Oh, wow, Lord, to go to
that. It's like, No, you know,
but eventually, you know, that's
probably going to end up being
on Netflix or HBO, or one of
those that you can stream. But
yeah, again, going to the movie
theater, as you say, is so
darned expensive. People are
loud. They're dicking around on
their phones, exactly, and,
yeah, you can, you know, at the
house, hey, you know
our generation, it's just
different. Is, is the
romanticism of a movie theater?
Is seeing the good, like the big
movies on in that experience?
You know, for example, you see
all the Marvel stuff I've got
here. You had to go see those
big Avengers movies.
Oh, sure, you had to. Or star
you know, Star Wars, yeah, the
whole Yeah, not only that,
because, I mean, you go back to
even listening to audience
reactions of certain moments in
these movies, I wish it makes
you want to cleanse your memory
and watch it again for the first
time without any memory of it.
You know when Cap wields Thor's
hammer Mjolnir for the first
time, and like that plot line,
that little nuance, was set up
multiple probably five years
before, like, everybody knew he
could lift it, but he didn't,
and he did. He wanted to save
Thor's ego. Yeah, you know. But
everybody knew, like, kind of
moved, you know, he could, can
he lift that? And then all of a
sudden he, he calls it, and it
comes to him. And it's a big
moment in the movie. You see all
everybody in the movie erupted.
The whole audience, yeah, it was
so cool. It was so because,
like, yeah, you're just, like,
you are so into it, and all of a
sudden, you know? And even they
cut the thorn, he's like, I knew
it. All those little moments are
great in a movie, yeah, the
shared experience, right?
Well, in fact, one of my best
was actually television nights
of all movies, because when I
went to the theater, it was
packed, and you could tell it
was all, you know, NASCAR fans,
yep. And when it came to the
scene, there's a scene in there
where Ricky Bobby and the
French, the French driver, they
they kiss, and you can hear the
whole theater just go, I'll
never forget that. I laughed so
hard.
I was telling this story this
morning. We were talking about
movie, because one of the people
that works here was talking
about the Markiplier movie
coming out, and I said, What's
funny is the fact that your
generation doesn't care about it
being in a movie. It's more
important to Markiplier because
he's 36 he's still like in the
fringes of the generation that
well, I'd love to see myself up
on the big silver screen. That
would become, that's a little
bucket list item I can check
off. Yeah, but the, you know,
20s, 20 year olds and lower they
couldn't care less. Oh no, they
couldn't. I'll just watch it on
my phone. Oh yeah, they're happy
with that. It, yeah, you know,
yeah, they don't have to see it
in IMAX. But it brought up the
story again, another Marvel
movie, the last Spider Man
movie, was far from who was no
way home, and there was all the
speculation going on around, are
the previous Spider Man variants
gonna make an appearance, the
Tobey Maguire and Andrew
Garfield, because they had, you
know, back at oh two, Tobey
Maguire had the first, like, the
first big live action movie in a
while, was the Spider Man movie
with him, yeah. And then they
redid it, they rebooted it with
Andrew Garfield, The Amazing
Spider Man. And then they
brought Tom Holland into the
Avengers world. They didn't tell
the story of how he got in,
because it's pretty much okay.
We all know it by now. But he
never had the consequence of an
uncle or aunt or somebody in a
parental figure telling him,
hey, with great power comes
great God. With great power
comes great responsibility,
right? And in those moments, you
know, they had all these things,
like Aunt May dies in the movie,
and she tells him that line of
consequence right before she
dies. And of course, that was
the time I had to go to the
bathroom. Yes, so I had to get
up. And I was like, I made it
this far, good. We've got a
little bit of a moment. Yeah, it
looks like we've got it. We're
kind of lulling into something.
Let me just go quick, go to the
bathroom and come back. Yeah, I
missed the big moment in the
frickin movie, and that's, and
that's the damn moment when
pause that sucker in the
house. You can pause it,
but I mean again, that big
moment, you could hear the
entire theater go, yeah. I'm
like, hurry up. What just
happened? Yeah. And I come back
and my wife like this, my wife,
she's like, I look up and it's
like Andrew Garfield and Tommy
McCarthy characters. I'm like,
You got I missed that moment?
Really? Holy moly,
see, I always did that too.
Always had to go to the restroom
at the most crucial time of the
movie, an opportune time. Yes,
well, you can remember going to
see Jaws when I was a kid out in
the theater. And, you know, the
last time, this past time, no,
no, didn't. But, you know, we,
my wife and I, she is a huge fan
of the movie Titanic, you know,
with the camera, yeah. And hey,
I enjoy it too. I know a lot of
people, a lot of people, poo poo
that movie.
But I liked, yeah,
watched it recently, yeah,
and we went and saw that in the
theater. Oh, yeah, we've
actually gone back and seen it
in the theater twice, yep, once
they did the RE release in 3d
Yeah, in the 3d was a very good
gimmick, yeah. But we went
anyway, you know, just, just to
go, just have the experience.
But I remember seeing the movie
Jaws, when, you know, the guy's
head pops, you know, the head
pops, Oh, yeah. And you know,
the whole theater
dude that still got me, yeah, I
saw it
in the theater. It still got me,
still. I remember going to see
the exorcist when it was out,
and the effect it had. I mean,
it was that was a scary movie at
the time.
Yeah, I've watched it again here
in the last couple of years. It
comes across campy.
Yeah, it does. It's not the
same, yeah, because I remember
it seemed like any loud noise,
because I, after I went to see
it in the theater, I went to a
restaurant, and somebody laid on
the horn outside. When they did,
I jumped about 50 feet, and the
waitress goes, Are you okay? And
I said, I just saw the exorcist.
She goes, oh, say no more. Yeah,
that that is something that is
going to be missed, is the
experience, because that's what
made the movies magical. There's
experience. Was the experience
with all the other people,
right?
Nicole. Nicole Kidman tells you
every single time, yeah, you
know,
yeah, the ad and but, I
mean, a lot of you know it's,
it's just amazing to me that,
you know, getting back to the
podcasting and podcasters. The
new media is just changing the
world. It is. And I guess, to
answer your question, with so
many 1000s of podcasters, and
podcasts out there are millions,
millions, it's still not, you
know, and that's, in fact,
that's one thing I told Jay when
we first started doing this one
because he said, Hey, did you
know he texted me? He said, Did
you know there's a couple of
others that are titled the same?
And I said, Yeah, I was totally
aware. But I said, but they're
not us. Yeah, right. That's the
way I looked
at yeah and, and I agree
wholeheartedly. Yeah. Again, I
was just making you aware in
case you weren't, and I should,
oh, sure. I should have known
you were.
Oh, no, that's all right,
because it, you know, when we
did title it, I really didn't
think there'd be another one,
but there was a lot of them, but
that's, you know, that's neither
here nor there.
But it does seem that the really
successful podcast do have, you
know, specific. Specific niche,
yeah, you know, I mean, it's not
just wide open, you know, one
day, you know, we're talking
about, you know, fixing cars.
And then the next time we're
talking about, you know,
different time types of popcorn,
right? It, you know, we're
usually, you know, kind of in
our little lane here.
Well, we're all about a lot of
it is Nashville centric. I mean,
it's about true, it's about
entertainment, it's about music,
it's about radio, television.
I have friends and family, you
know, all over the country,
literally, and they're
intrigued. They enjoy hearing
the Nashville stuff. Yeah.
Well, Nashville is always and
this is one thing that you know
a lot of people that aren't from
Nashville or don't really get
Nashville. Well, Mayor Bredesen
was one. He never understood
that Nashville was already on
the map. That was the whole
reason he brought the Titans, or
what was the Oilers then, to
Nashville. He kept saying, I'm
gonna put Nashville on the map.
Well, dude, I hate to inform
you, but Nashville has always
been on the map. I remember
going to the Bahamas, and
anytime I was asked where we
were from, and I said,
Nashville, it was wild. What
would come out of people's
mountain Conway 20? Yeah, that's
us, yeah. But it's worldwide.
Nashville has
always, you know, Nashville,
yeah, you're right. I mean, it's
always had that, you know, the
people certainly are, Nashville
has always been on the map. But
in the minds of so many people,
though it was hee haw and,
well, they looked at it as
hillbilly, yeah? And it's really
not, you
know, Tennessee. Ernie Ford on
the old, I love
Lucy's right, with his
suspenders, where he
played overalls, yeah, from Fort
Tennessee,
yeah, in the, you know, and
outside of Nashville, yeah,
there's some hillbilly places,
but, but Nashville itself is,
is, oh, it's not just a country
music town. It's a music
it's a cosmopolitan city. It
really is. People don't realize,
and that has certainly been an
evolution in the last 40 some
odd years, sure. And I think you
do have to credit you credit you
credit the arrival of the
Nashville Predators. You know,
they were the first major sports
team. And I know a lot of people
rolled their eyes, you know, the
NHL coming to Hee Haw Nashville,
right? But that really did open
the eyes, I think, of a lot of
people that it has been, for the
most part, a very successful
franchise. Then, of course, the
Oilers slash Titans coming to
town. You've got a lot of
businesses that have, you know,
they got tired of Atlanta, you
know, because, you know, have
come here and have turned us
into Atlanta.
Well, you also have a lot ways,
yeah, you have a lot of
businesses from LA that have,
sure, sure, and you really, you
know, you mentioned the Titans
and the predators. We also have
to credit a show that I
absolutely hated Nashville, a
TV show. Oh yeah, it did after
Nashville.
After that series ran, a lot of
people moved here for that very
reason.
I have never seen that. My wife
watched
it. It makes us look really,
really good, yeah, yeah.
My wife said it was, it was
really laughable. Now it was
911, Nashville, that's out
there. Now, I watched, I think
maybe two episodes of that, only
because I auditioned, I do some
acting too. Anyway, I auditioned
for some part.
There's something about you we
don't know.
Well, yes, I've got an age I've
got two agencies
do some acting for us right now
to be or
but, yeah, I they Yeah, the
parts called for somebody, and
what did they want? They wanted
somebody that was really
seriously, seriously I was
supposed to I auditioned for the
role of one of the dispatchers
who and they wanted him to talk
is mealy mouth southern as they
could get right. That's what the
Park called for. I seen that
ambulance come back,
Twister coming
down on demon brewing. Yeah, but
yeah. So, you know, naturally.
But anyway, I was kind of
curious, so I watched the watch
the show, and it is just
embarrassingly bad. And I don't
know if they are intending it to
be campy, and is it like a dark
kind of black comedy? Maybe,
maybe it is. I don't know. It
was awful. There was a cane,
cane, but. Cute. Leanne rhymes.
Come on, man, be real. If the
casting folks see this,
probably, yeah. I think it kind
of blew Yeah, you're never gonna
get a part on this way. But
yeah, Leanne rhymes is in it
and, well, they're there. That
tells me she's, she's what?
She's in her 40s. Oh yeah, but
she is, but she plays much
older. She plays the mother of a
guy that looks like he's 30 in
the show.
She had him young. We have him
at 12.
Mayonnaise sandwich going to
town.
Loretta land, you idle so you
start spitting them out when you
about 12 years old. That's
right, have about six of them
before you're 20. Kane Brown was
was in this episode. But anyway,
it was
just getting back to the dash,
because I know it was one of our
topics to talk about. Yes, it
was. We could, we could tease it
and delve into it. But the funny
thing is that that stuck out
about that show was how, hey,
we're just gonna go out onto the
pedestrian, pedestrian bridge
and, you know, just wistfully
look off in the distance, even
though I'm an A list celebrity,
yes, amongst all the throngs of
tourists. And I just need to
have some time to myself on the
on the pedestrian bridge, and
then we're gonna have a little
like, you know, high level
meeting on, you know, some sort
of song that we're right. Hey,
let's go to tootsies and grab a
drink.
Doesn't happen that way. Does
not happen.
You're not gonna find, you know,
Trisha Yearwood hanging out at a
tootsies having herself a drink.
No, maybe it could happen. It
might. Or when the girl that was
her nemesis, she goes up on top.
And, you know, yeah, Hayden, I
always wanted to stand on this,
the opry stage, and she's at the
the Ryman, and, you know, I'm
gonna stand in the circle there,
just so happens to be a
spotlight at the ready. I'm
gonna write that in there.
I've got a great story that the
girl, Hayden, I can't predatory,
yeah, that's it. She apparently
went to a bar here in Nashville,
and a friend of my son's was
bartending, and he said, I'll be
right with you. And was waiting
on some other people. She said,
Don't you know who I am? And he
said, Yes, ma'am. He said, I'm
aware of you. And he went back
to these other people. She goes,
have you ever watched the series
Nashville? And I can't believe
this kid goes, Yes, I have. And
I think it sucks. He said, I'll
be right with you. But he said
after that, she was nice. She
goes, fine, yeah. It humbled
her a little bit. Well, I
thought you were going to say
with, you know, the line about,
don't you know who I am. I
figured you would be saying, why
don't you know who you are?
Well, into there was one time
they were shooting Nashville,
and the radio station, they used
our radio station quite a bit,
right for the filming in there.
And so they were taking up the
entire I couldn't even get to my
headphones. I had to borrow some
headphones because I couldn't go
to my own locker. But anyway, it
was a break in the show, so I
went to get a Dr Pepper out of
the snack room. I don't know who
the actress was, so I don't want
to bust anybody, but there was
an actress from the show in
there, and there were some other
guys around her. I was just
being nice. I came in and I
said, Hey, how you guys doing?
And went for my drink. As I'm
waiting on my drink, I hear her
say under her breath, what a
what a goob. And I went, Wow,
yeah,
what a goob, yeah, what a B, I T
Yeah,
that could have said, what an
overpaid, talentless act. Oh,
sorry,
even if you're overpaid, yeah, I
think it was her first big
break. Was you the Australian
one or something. It may have
been
her, I'm not real sure who. I
know. It wasn't Hayden. Her
wasn't any of the
Yeah, when I worked at an agency
on Music Row, we were on 63
music square east, which was
right next door to CSAC at the
time, and they had used the
exterior of our building in a
fit. Was a Peter Bogdanovich
movie. Oh, wow. And he was
actually out in the, you know,
in the parking lot directed. All
they did was they just shot
exteriors right, using our our
building. There it was, you
know, it's one of the old, re
imagined houses. That's what
Music Row used to be. Yes, it
was before they put all these
ugly buildings in there. But,
but Reese Witherspoon was the
actress that would kept going,
you know, they were getting
shots of her going in and out of
the of our office. Wow. And it
was before, you know, anybody
knew who the heck Reese
Witherspoon was? Was and she's
from this area. Yeah, so, but,
oh gosh, cute. Is a button, you
know? Oh yeah, I was
back when she was known as Reese
without her spoon.
Sorry, I'm a big
who fan. Anyway,
that's the gym. He's so proud of
himself,
but it does, it kind of gets me
play that again.
Speaking of television shows,
that's that's a nod to CSI, yes,
he would always do the
sunglasses and say something
witty.
Oh yeah. David Caruso, yeah.
Oh gosh, you know, and he was
such a dork in in the Rambo
movie, that's right, I
understand a dork into life, the
dork Sheriff, yeah, well, they
say deputy rather. I don't know
if you guys ever saw the TV show
Supernatural, but they, they did
a take off where they just, they
were imitating him. I mean, they
were just lampooning him to
death, like this is where I
overact. And he thought he was
going to be a big movie star. He
left what show was NYPD. That's
why he left there, because he
was going to be a movie star
that didn't pan that didn't
quite pan out. You're destined
for television. Pal. Yes, you
are. Sometimes these things
don't really pan out.
So Mr. Wolf, who's in the
anyway? Yeah,
yeah, I used to love that show,
CSI Miami. They had the girl on
there. That was, I watched a
movie with her recently. It was
a documentary. She She, she was
being, basically some guy was
just hounding her to death. He
was stalking her. She was real
good. She, I can't remember her
name, but she was beautiful. On
there. She was one of the people
in the lab. She always did the
lab work.
Okay, yeah, oh gosh, I'm trying
to you. Got me thinking,
Yeah, I wish I could remember
her name, but she was really
pretty, yeah.
So poor at network TV shows and
knowing the shows and the
characters, I just don't watch
network TV.
It's like watching Law and
Order. It's like, it's Law and
Order is like a rite of passage
for an actor, you know, my wife,
yeah, watch that end to end and,
you know, it's like, yeah,
I mean, the old, you know, I
used to binge on the law and
order, you know, the Law and
Order SVU, some fine
performances in there. I
remember the episodes that Robin
Williams was in. Oh, wow, for
the SVU, Law and Order SVU. And,
you know, he played this real
creepy guy. You know, Robin
Williams was so brilliant. But
the but Law and Order SVU
started to get real preachy to
me, yeah, and I just, I just
lost interest as far as, like,
whatever political wind was
leaning that years, yeah, they
would just get real, yeah, real
preachy about stuff. And
frankly, to me, what was really
one of the attractive things
about that show was the
relationship between the Mariska
target targeting and Chris
Maloney, you know, the the
dynamic between those two, you
know, it was that that really
made that show. And then when he
left, I know he's back now, but
anyway, when he laughs, I kind
of lost interest in the in the
show, but I didn't, but I don't
watch network TV, and, you know,
I like, I say, I do? I do radio
for some other, other stations
and stuff. And, yeah, I've got
the prep services and stuff that
I kind of look over just to kind
of see what's going on. I don't
use much of the content. But one
of the things is, is they list
the birthdays, you know, and the
and I look at that and I'm like,
Who the hell are these people,
you know, I don't know. And
it'll say, you know, Marty
Smarty from the SO and SO show.
And I don't know who Marty is,
and I don't know who the show
is. And I, you know, I guess I
Johnny, I've graduated to the
Get off my lawn generation. You
have, you know, it's well, you
need to get there's one show you
need to get into is land man.
Oh, land man is phenomenal. I We
Mark Cawley, yeah, I know one of
our own great he does a great
job. He does he's a great actor.
Yeah, I have been meaning to get
into that you're right. You
know, I have wiring good. You
know, my wife, she was a huge
fan of shits Creek. And you
know, we'll binge that. We did
watch the Dexter. Yes, Dexter
was excellent. And so you know
that. But to me, though. So
those aren't network TV.
No, they're not. They're a
little more that's, that's like,
HBO, yeah.
Netflix series and things you
know, these mini series that are
ongoing. We do watch some of
those, but, but you know the
stupid sitcoms on CBS where, you
know, the neighborhood, yeah,
the dad's an idiot and the smart
ass kids and all that, you know,
it's just no interest, no
interest so
that your wife liked what?
Which one is. It was called,
well, she was the one who said
that was she was really into it.
Well, something
Creek, yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm
trying to keep it clean. Okay,
gotcha
way too much of a setup.
Eugene Levy and his son, who
was, you know, who's really
funny,
this very girl was funny, the
girl that played the daughter,
yes, oh, she was, she's
hysterical.
And I've seen, you know, and, of
course, I've seen her on, like,
the Today Show and stuff. Yes,
you know, you know what I love
about totally opposite from her
character. She does a great job
on that show. What I love about
that show is the fact that you
still have the relationship that
Eugene Levy and Catherine
O'Hara, yeah, they've been
acting together. Yeah, from
Canadian Yeah, from the second
city. Second City Yeah,
because, you know, he got his
big start. And she was on, you
know, he was in splash and
couple other different movies.
She was in Beetlejuice when it
came out. Yes, she was Yeah. And
then they started doing all the
Christopher Guest mockumentaries
that they were
always in those man, I love
those Dustin show
Best in Show waiting for
Guffman. Yes, did you watch the
new Spinal Tap?
Yeah, I haven't seen it. I did.
Yeah, yeah, that was bad, yeah,
it
was okay. Yeah. I've heard
mixed. You know, love him or
hate
him. It made me miss
Rob Ryan. Yeah, I know what you
mean.
Yeah, Rob Reiner could be an
ass, but what a talented ass.
Yeah? I mean, the dude made some
great movies. He was great at
his craft, yeah?
Well, you know, you would like
to think he should have been. I
mean, good grief, the man grew
up with Carl Reiner for crying
out. Oh yeah, he did, yeah. So
certainly learning from one of
the masters. What are you
listening to? Podcast Why is
there? Jenny, oh, gosh,
you know, I can't even, I can't
even name them. It's just kind
of sporadic things that I'll
stumble across and listen to. I
tend to listen to sports related
things, right? I'm not a book
reader. Never have been but
when, well, I the books that I
have read tend to be
autobiographical. Yes, you know,
historical figures years ago,
but a lot of sports figures, you
know, they're reading the
Muhammad Ali autobiography,
which I loved. He really let his
guard down, and was real in that
the same with Ted, you know, Ted
Williams would read his
autobiography. Was called My
turn at bat, you know, yeah,
but, but anyway, getting back to
the podcast, yeah, I just kind
of stumbled across sports
related stuff, right? And will
listen to, to those kind of
things. I think Jim Gray has one
that I have have listened to
from time to time. So that's the
kind of stuff that I'll stumble
across. I don't make it. It's
not, it's not appointment
podcasting. For me, you can
listen anytime. Yeah, you know,
it's not like, oh gosh, the new
ones out this week. I gotta tune
it in, even though that's what
we want folks to do with ours,
5am Central time every
Wednesday. Yeah, it should be
required. What about you? Mr.
Johnny B
I'm kind of like Jay. I kind of,
I really have gotten into the
Dylan Weldon podcast. I really
like it. I also like the
poptimist and any trunk, every
now and then. I like, I like to,
we had him on Rich's show, did
you really? Yeah? I like, I like
some of the stuff he does. He's
a cool dude. Radio games, like
it, yeah? And of course, Joe
Rogan. I like when Joe has
somebody interesting on, I
really love, like, I said, it
goes a little long for me,
because I can't just sit there
for, yeah, you know, three hours
to basically a lot of this,
like, because a lot of people
talk about social media, but I
think there's an evolution,
evolutionary shift happening
right now. Actually, Gary V
talks about it. It's going more
from more less, from social more
into an interest media. And if
you want to be a podcaster, to
you your point, one of you said
it was more niche based. Yeah,
interest based is where it
really is. So I mean, I listen
to I listen to my podcast, I
listen to our podcast, I listen
mainly to mine, just to be a
practitioner of. I preach in
terms of you should be
listening. If you're producing a
podcast, you should be listening
to every episode. That's how you
get better. It should be air
checking, or have someone air
check for you, you know. And why
people ask, what's an air check?
I said, Okay, back in radio,
yeah. The most terrifying thing
when you come into your shift
the next day and your program
director be like, Hey, let's do
an air check session. Oh, God,
bring your plus.
You're gonna listen to yourself.
Oh man, that's brutal. That is
brutal.
But you know a lot of people,
well, I don't want to listen to
myself. Well, if you don't
listen to you, why would you
expect other people to exactly
what I say? So I'll listen to
like bus for inspiration,
business stuff like that. The
real Brad Lee podcast, dropping
bombs. He's got a great one. And
again, he's a guy I got to know
because of production elements,
because a lot of these things
you'd hear the production was
just not there, you know, from a
radio perspective, or the
imaging production I did in all
my years. I got to know these
guys by offering, Hey, you said
you got something good going on
here. What if it sounded like
this? And I would do a spec, and
that's how I'd get to know some
of these bigger personalities.
Listen to Gary V A drummers.
Podcast, the office. Ladies, the
ladies from the show. TV show,
the office. Yeah. Massive
podcast, wow. That show has such
a fan base. Couple of Bitcoin
podcasts, course. Joe Rogan,
Patrick, bet. David, you ever
hear of him? I am not. Oh, he's
like the new political, you
know, business, economic
commentator. He's huge, huge.
That's the thing is, like, all
these, like, tremendous amounts
of talent that would otherwise
need the gatekeeper to give them
permission. Don't need it
anymore, exactly. Well, it's all
meritocracy based now one.
There's also an artist that has
a podcast. I really like it,
Jack Ingram. He was not a huge
right star, but he's got, it's
called jacking around, which I
love the name of it, but he does
great interviews with other
artists. And, yeah, that's a
good podcast.
Well, I am. I'm part of a new
podcast that, you know, we
talked about niche that is about
red fishing, wow, and it's
called set, setting the hook.
Nice and like it. I came up with
that name. Thank you. Well very
but yes, I work, you know, with
my my company, the game time
Sports Network. We've been live
streaming fishing tournaments in
South Carolina, red fishing
tournaments in South Carolina.
We're there for the weigh ins
and the awards ceremonies and
stuff. And those have been very
popular. And the guy, one of the
guys that runs that, is a
charter captain that has been
doing this for 30 years. You
know, charter captain for
fishing on the Carolina coast.
So he and I have been with put
together a podcast, and it's a
niche about fishing. And in
fact, I was there in Charleston
here a couple of weeks ago, and
we did a number of episodes. And
so anyway, you know, and I have
seen other podcasts that are
strictly about fishing. One is
about fly fishing. Yeah, that's
all it's about. It's
interesting. It's interest
based, it's fly fishing. It's
all about in this guy has
hundreds of 1000s of you know,
you figure, Are there that many
folks that fly? But well, yeah,
there are. Yes, there are. And
you know, his sponsor
opportunities are these lodges
and stuff in Montana, then these
resorts and whatnot that had
latched on to you can build an
audience his podcast. So anyway,
yeah, but you're right, Jim. I
mean, there's, there's a new
podcast every day that's
debuting. There is, but
the chances of them lasting,
yeah, that's the other thing I
see as a Podcast Producer, you
know, onboarding a lot of
different podcasts, okay? When
they realize it's actual work
for us, it's not work. This is
what we do, right? This is just
what this is what comes
naturally to us as radio guys.
That's what we did every day,
was produce content. But when
you have somebody who's a
business owner and, well, I'm an
insurance guy, I don't want to
brand myself. Well, what do you
know? I had this conversation
last week? Well, what, what am I
gonna talk about? I wanna have
business podcasts similar to
what you're talking about with
local business owners. Terrific.
You could totally do that. Yeah,
a lot of people are. I said,
Well, what do you really like to
talk about? And he's an old rock
guy and stuff like that. So we
talked about, you know, just
maybe a music podcast or
whatever, or, you know, niching
even further into that. What can
you really have that
differentiates the podcast and
taps into something that no
one's ever really done, you
know, and especially in a music
podcast. So we talked a little
bit about that. He's like, you
know, how do I promote my
insurance business? Like, dude,
it's powered by your insurance
basically, you know, I had
another guy. It's another
insurance guy. He's like, but I
tell how, you know, put up, do a
podcast about insurance. I said
not, unless you want to put
people to sleep or, you know. Or
if you're attracting other
agents, you know, who's your
audience, right? I said, but
what do you like talking about?
It's like, I'm huge on, you
know, talking about high school
basketball. Oh, hey, bing, bing,
bing, bing, interesting. What
else goes bow hunting? I'm like,
there you go. Can you sell
insurance nationwide? And can
you make it apropos to the bow
hunter, to hunters. Are there
insurance products that you
could talk about that makes
sense to that demographic? Yeah,
yeah. I'm like, well, there's
your answer. You know. You love
bow hunting. Talk about it, you
know. And that's fun. It has a
massive reach. It's got, I would
think it's got potential, you
know. So that's my take off.
Yeah. I mean, their entire
magazines directed toward both.
Oh, yeah, so sure.
Why not? There's magazines on
everything. And if I were in
radio today, I would seriously
be thinking about getting into
podcasting.
That's the thing. Is that in the
digital media space, with radio
people being let go, left and
right, what do I always say?
Just because the industry thinks
that you're not worth anything
doesn't mean you're worthless
exactly. You have a lot to
offer, especially the digital
media space, because it needs
like, especially people that are
morning show people. Oh, yeah,
every day you got to come up.
That's something that's
entertaining to an audience.
Yeah, what you know is in value,
I would love to have, like, a
morning show consultant to help
me with some ideas, because I
was never part of a morning
show. I know of the boot camps
and stuff like that, right, but
I have no idea. You know, do
they even do still do morning
show boot camp? I don't think
they do.
Would be shocked if they did.
No.
In fact, I don't even know if
they have any morning show
meetings like they used to. I
think they might at at WTN,
I, you know, I'm certainly not a
part of any meetings over there,
but I do know that they, the
talent does indeed meet with the
program director there from
good, regularly scheduled
meetings of some sort.
That is good, yeah, because it
does help some meetings do. Some
meetings weren't productive and
well, some I love to watch Phil
Valentine with those folks.
Well, he knew what was working.
He did.
Well, Phil was the kind of guy.
In fact, I had lunch one day
with several people in radio and
Brian Sargent, who used to be
our program director, our
Assistant Program Director, you
know, he said, I finally learned
later on that Phil is the kind
of guy that just let him go,
yeah, because he knew what he
was doing, he he did not Need to
be micromanaged. Now, as far as
you know, giving him ideas,
yeah, but don't try to tell him
what to do, because the guy
knows he knows radio and he
knows his audience, and he had a
track record, yeah, yes, yeah,
he did. I mean, he just, you
know, book after book, the guy
was successful, and he knew what
he was doing, and he knew his
audience, right? And that's what
you that. That's the key. Even
to this, you got to know your
audience. Ours is ours is really
ours is wild, because it's
varied. I can't believe, I mean,
I'll get stuff from kids that
are, you know, I say kids are in
their 20s, but and then I'll get
guys that are about our age. I
mean, I get it's, it seems like
we're hitting a lot of
different agreed, you know. And
one of the things about securing
sponsorship and advertising, no
matter the medium, is knowing
your audience Exactly. And I
admit, I'm still kind of
wondering who is our audience,
because, at least, you know,
trying to define it
specifically, because it does
appear to be so broad. You know,
we just recently had the lovely
Brenda golden as a guest here a
couple of weeks back. And, you
know, we found out how many
women listen to and watch the
podcast Now, granted, many of
them, I'm sure, checked it out
because of Brenda, right?
They're fans of her friends,
etc. But, you know, it was
heartwarming to see so many
nice, positive comments from
from the ladies, you know, and
we've had a number of, we do
appear to have a number of
women, viewers, listeners, prior
to that episode that make that
have made themselves known. But
Well,
that's all you Jay, because,
yeah? Because you know you're
the sixth symbol of the I was
gonna say it was the hair. Yeah?
I think it
was too Yeah, or the lack
thereof.
I've got a little hair, but I do
have the big old, glaring bald
spot.
No man, I got one of those too.
No, I was expecting to hear the
WHO there.
By the way, Keith Richards is my
barber. I.
Yeah, you got a great head of
hair. Yeah,
gee thanks, gentlemen.
That's what's drawn in all the
ladies,
you'll be able to get out that
door with that head that big.
Probably not you're with who I
didn't know you were on that
show. I googled you, I Googled
you, and I couldn't believe it,
you actually came up on the
first page. People actually like
you. I wasn't aware, my God,
maybe that's one of our church
now, have you Googled me?
Yeah, I didn't know people liked
you.
That's actually not a bad idea.
It's not a bad idea. Little
quotes that we've heard about
ourselves.
Yes, you know, and that could be
a whole nother show. What? What
general manager said about Apple
logo on the front
and a quote on the back, dash
question mark.
That's not a bad idea. All
right, we're killing we're
killing me, almost killing
Johnny B takes
a hell of a man to face that
cancer. Let me tell you. Anyway,
we've enjoyed this today. We're
talking about podcasts, and then
we just went down all kinds of
roads. Yeah, we have been
circling the drain. We circle in
the drain. But we mean that we
just, you know, people don't get
the gist of the title. We don't
want these stories to circle the
drain and you not hear these
great stories forgotten, yeah,
to totally be forgotten. And you
always want to know where to
find us, Jay. Tell them
how they Well, the best place is
the website circling the
drain.net and of course, you can
find us. If you want to watch us
and look at us. You can do that,
as I mentioned on the website,
also Spotify video. We're there,
we're on Facebook, we're on
YouTube, we're on X from a video
standpoint. And then, of course,
all of the audio platforms that
can be found on Apple podcasts
and, gosh, Amazon, music and so
forth. So, yeah, we we are
trying to get to be everywhere.
Johnny B, yes, we are.
We want people to know who we
are. And you know, like us I
didn't know so many people like,
why would I don't know anyway?
Be sure and join us next time on
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