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The Middle of Culture is what happens when two siblings with too many opinions and not enough chill dive headfirst into movies, music, video games, and whatever else is rotting our brains this week. It’s part pop culture podcast, part sibling rivalry, and fully unfiltered. Expect passionate arguments, niche references, unsolicited rankings, and the occasional moment of unexpected insight. If you’ve ever wanted to eavesdrop on the kind of argument you’d hear at the family dinner table—only with better audio—this is your show.
Peter
00:00
Tron Ares can suck my balls.
Eden
00:13
Welcome back to the Middle of Culture. I am one of your hosts, Eden.
Peter
00:17
And I am your other host, Peter.
Eden
00:19
Peter, welcome back from Pip Pip Cheerio Land. How are you?
Peter
00:23
I'm doing very well. I had to fight the urge to use a a a bad British accent.
Eden
00:31
Oh, you should'd Done it. I was just when I said you're back from Pip Pip Cheerioville, I wanted you to be like, oh my God now, I'm back from across the pond.
Peter
00:41
Spent a little time in the motherland back here. Berries in Cream. Berries and Cream. Back over here when the land of tax dodgers and yeah, it was So anyway, so how you been? I have been well. I have been well. Um how about you? I know uh you've got stuff going on that's a little more heavy than what I've got, but
Eden
01:04
We we're we're making it through. Um, I do have to say, um, fuck 4th of July. Fuck everyone shooting off fireworks because you have given my dogs PTSD. It's rough. It's rough for the Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Usually they have a couple nights where it's bad. But on July 7th, I was sitting with the dogs in the backyard at 9 30 p. m. And that is when our asshole neighbors decided to shoot off some illegal fireworks. On the 7th And my dogs have never been outside when the fireworks have gone off, and they've certainly never been that close to them. So they're still not having a good time. Poor Liza Jane is
Peter
01:50
having she's struggling. Yeah, that is that is no fun. I was very mad at my neighbors. I don't blame you. Um yeah, no. We're we're doing here's what I'll say. Our Fourth of July was interesting because again, I spent the Fourth of July being m having jokes made about the two hundred and fifty years of the tax dodgers celebrating themselves and stuff like that. Just it was at the Rest of History Festival.
Eden
02:20
Um and and had an interesting two hundred we we've got two hundred and fifty years in the bag. We can just wrap it up now. We could be done. The American project has been absolutely proven to be a failure. We can just roll it right up, be done.
Peter
02:34
You know, it was interesting. There was one of the guys, uh one of the historians who spoke on Saturday. uh was was giving uh a presentation. His his section was basically a look at America through three presidents. And they were interesting choices for the most part. The last one was Reagan, whatever. The one before that was Coolidge, and the one before that was Andrew Johnson. So yeah, so it was a really interesting way that he kind of looks at America through these three presidents. But then in the QA part, there was just a thing and I don't want to get into it, but I will just say uh listen, I sort of clapped when this historian uh somebody asked the the the other like the the host of the podcast asked him something about what makes Trump different, and his in immediate first response is he just turns to the audience and he says, Oh, it's the most blatant corruption seen in a Western civilization in the history of recorded history. Yeah. And we were just like Thank you for just saying it out loud. Like they don't have any qualms. They don't care. But he was just like Oh no, he said it is a degree of corruption from which America's image will never recover. Like America will never recover from this
Eden
03:55
Nope. The Americ as as I always like to say, the American century uh of dominance is over. It's time for the American century of humiliation.
Peter
04:03
I mean, it is what we are in, so
Eden
04:06
It's what we deserve.
Peter
04:07
It's what we deserve.
Eden
04:09
But anyway, tell me about your conference that you went to. Okay, so and then we can talk about pop culture stuff. But let's start there.
Peter
04:16
Yeah, so the rest of his the rest Is History Festival is ostensibly the reason we decided to go. It was sort of my excuse to say, okay, if we get tickets for this thing, which we did, then that's a good reason to say let's make a big trip out of this. And uh Alyssa and I have not done a big trip, as I think I mentioned, that wasn't tied to a work conference. Since we celebrated our 15th wedding anniversary in 2013. So it's been a while. It has been a minute. It has been a minute. And so this was kind of a we need to do something, let's go. Uh now, granted, I'm not really complaining because my work conferences are generally in very nice places and we get to go and I spend some time in the conferences and but we always have plenty of time to enjoy the places we're at. But it was nice to go. You go to like cool places. I gotta go to Providence, Rhode Island next week. I'm lucky in that the western section of the American Urological Association includes Hawaii. And I also asked them at one point, I said, hey, when you do the conference in Hawaii, what do you and they were like, oh yeah, no, it's like 400% attendance when we do it in Hawaii. Yeah.
Eden
05:33
Uh so the next it's an excuse to go to Hawaii. Everyone wants to go to Hawaii.
Peter
05:38
I mean, so I'm not complaining about the fact that this October, next October, and October 2028, we will be going to Hawaii. for my continuing medical education. Maui this year, Oahu next and Kawaii again in 28. So I'm not complaining. But still, it does mean that I'm getting up and I'm leaving and I'm going to the conference. And I'm spending usually between about 7, 7. 30 in the morning until 2 o'clock in the afternoon at the conference. So this was let's just go and do our thing. Um but the festival was really interesting. It so the rest is history, is a very popular podcast. uh that has two British historians that they have a really good interplay between the two of them. But what they did at this is a lot of times when they'll have guest historians on, people like Tracy Borman, Mary Beard, um some of the others I'm I'm blanking on names, but people who are are are historians with a really particular focus or subject matter area. So for example, Mary Beard is is a very well-known classicist. So if you want to talk about the Romans and stuff like that, Mary Beard's she's there for you. Uh Tracy Borman is kind of a big tutor historian, so she was there talking about the tutors and and Henry VIII's wives. But it really was the two of them would kind of introduce the day and then they would sort of separate and one would interview and interact with the guest. And it was a very similar sort of format to the way they do the podcast in that They'll do usually kind of four to six episodes about a particular topic. And one of the two of them does the research, really digs deep into it. And then the other one sort of acts as the asking the questions, the reaction to the things that are being said, the, but what about this? And so they played the part of asking the questions and then allowed the historians to just really talk about what they were subject matter experts in. And it was fascinating. It was fairly wide-ranging. Again, it was things like Henry the Eighth's Six Wives. There was again you know, how different is roman life from ours? Mary Beard was very direct in that she was like All of you men who think that you would like to live in Roman times, you're wrong. You're stupid. You wouldn't survive. So she was very much like she was like, it was bad. You don't want to live that like that. Um listen, I don't want to live in the nineteen seventies. Why would I want to live in the 100s? Yes, exactly. Uh then there was stuff about uh Persia and kind of leading up to uh the Iranian Revolution and the overthrow of the Shah. There was one about uh whether or not Ireland should or will ever be part of the UK again. There was one about coal mining in through the lens of a an accident uh in a particular coal mine. And so it was really fascinating. They had uh they had a lot of food. We were we had VIP tickets, so we had a VIP tent, so it was nice we would come in. We could hit the VIP tent, there was some breakfast, we would go, listen to a couple, go back over, get drinks, get some lunch. go listen to a few more, go back. They had afternoon tea. We could go and get some some scones with clotted cream and little finger sandwiches and little things like that. And Um so we kind of did that throughout the day. We'll go to the sessions. Uh they had a bookstore, so again, understandably, every one of the historians had at least a book or two, in some cases many, that they'd written. And so after their presentation, they would go to the book tent and you could go there and they would sign book copies if you wanted. And all of their books were on sale at the book tent. And then they had some other stuff going on. They had um they on Saturday they had a group that sort of Yeah, and apparently there's a bunch of these sort of clubs across the sp more so in Europe, though some still in America, of medieval combat, where they pay a lot of money to get very nice, accurate armor made by you know, experts in this and then they put it all on and then beat the shit out of each other and go for it. Uh so we got to kind of watch that.
Eden
09:59
Um, that just reminds me of when you and I were at Comic Con and we saw those people trying to do those fencing lessons while we were eating our pizza. Oh yes. Oh yes. A little lower a little a little lower uh barrier to entry there. A little cheaper.
Peter
10:14
Yes, definitely. Definitely. Um and then the in at the same place on Sunday, the second day of the festival Uh they had some like 18th century fencing people who were honestly are um professional choreographers in sword fights. They've worked on Pirates of the Carambia movies and other things where there's a lot of sword play. And so they had a whole choreographed battle between the two of them that they did very quickly at first and then actually walked us through the whole thing and kind of why this would not be practical in an actual battle, but this is why we do it to look 'cause it looks good. And and kind of taking us through all that and then once they had taken everybody th you know, gone through that step by step, then they went through and did it at full speed again. And it was it was really interesting to see having heard them describe why they were doing the things they were doing, see them walk through it. Uh so it was just it was really interesting. It was a Hampton Court Palace, uh which is beautiful. Uh we went through the palace and looked at stuff uh as well, kind of checked out, you know, Henry VIII's the great chamber there with this It was a big, massive room where they would have the meals and the ceiling was just incredibly ornate and we're in the bedchamber of George the Witch Ever I don't remember. member and seeing kind of how things were there and oh but here's the actual bedchamber when he wasn't entertaining and here's the big one and it was it was really, really fascinating. The festival was cool. It was warm. So we got there temperature wise. We got there just as the heat wave was fading. And then we had a pretty nice week. And then Saturday, Sunday it was cranking up again. So it's like eighty-two on Saturday, eighty-five on Sunday. The VIP seating, we had kind of tiered bleacher type seating, but with backs and everything that were covered, so we at least had shade. But yeah, it was cool. It was it was cool. Would I go again? I think I would probably say. They need to make some changes before I will go again, but this was their very first time and I think they were kind of figuring stuff out. Oh, was it? Yes, this was the first year they have done this. And so it will be interesting to see uh what changes they make in the future. Uh I do not regret going at all. I was a little bummed on Sunday instead of being able to listen to all of the uh presentation on the um the the Weimar Republic uh leading up to World War II, I was on the phone with Delta trying to figure out how in the hell I was going to get home because Sunday morning I got a nice little notification that KLM, who was the Delta partner who was operating our flight home on Tuesday, had cancelled our flight from London to Amsterdam because of a mechanical issue.
Eden
13:00
Oh no.
Peter
13:01
So yeah, we had we had some we had some airline fun at the beginning at the end You know, that sounds terrible. Uh our first flight uh Thursday night got canceled and moved to Friday night because they had a sick pilot and couldn't find a replacement. So we spent the night in Minneapolis and got to bum around the uh Mall of America. Because what else are we gonna do wandering around Minneapolis with suitcases in tow?
Eden
13:29
Not a whole lot. Um and then coming back Minneapolis is a cool town, but you gotta have a car.
Peter
13:33
Yeah. And then coming back, you know, again, had to spend uh a few hours between Satur Sunday and Monday uh just making sure that we could check in for our flight uh and get back on Tuesday. But we did. We made it. And once we were on the planes it went well. It was just a little bit of Kerfuffle uh getting on both of our scheduled planes. In fact, we did not get on either of our scheduled planes. They were different flights both times. But you know what can you do? Bummer. But yeah, so that was the festival. What else do you want to know? Cool.
Eden
14:04
Cool. How else was London other than uh the festival? London was cool.
Peter
14:08
Did y'all do some other fun stuff? London was cool. So we, you know, we are not I know people who are, the way I like to refer to it, they are, they are spreadsheet vacationers. They are Excel vacationers. They have everything down to the minute plotted out. Uh Lys and I are not of that ilk. Perhaps we were at some point in our lives. I don't think we ever were, but now we especially are not. And so what we did, and I thought it for us it worked out perfectly. We had a certain number of things where it was like, okay, we're gonna do this. So We got in early Saturday morning. Saturday night we had already set up. We had tickets to go on the London Eye, the big, you know, Ferris Wheel observation I. Then after that, at the latest time of the day, we had a riverboat, a Thames, Riverboat kind of tour that we had scheduled Uh but we didn't have anything else on Saturday, so we just had some time to kind of wander around and check things out and kind of try and recalibrate because you know we'd spend a night in a hotel then we'd been awake for many hours and didn't really sleep on the plane that much and all that fun stuff. Sure. Um Sunday we just took it easy. Well, we didn't take it easy. We didn't have any plans, so we ended up walking about 25,000 steps uh around central London, checking things out. And I'll talk about some of those things. Monday was when we had scheduled uh basically a full-day tour that went from London out to Windsor Castle. Which is the castle that is now the official home of the royal family. That is where, you know, Elizabeth II is buried and things like that. So we went out there to Windsor and Windsor Castle and then out to Stonehenge and spend a little t some time at Stonehenge and then ended up the tour at in in Oxford and kind of going around Oxford. uh and checking things out there and then got back into town. Uh it was about 12 hours in total that we were doing all that. So uh that day was pretty full. Uh Tuesday, what'd we do Tuesday? I feel like Tuesday was the day that we uh yeah, Tuesday we had tickets to go to Westminster Abbey and check that out And then went to the British Museum. That night we went and saw Hades Town at uh in the in the theater district. Wednesday, we just did a bunch of walking around again, put in another about 25,000 steps, and then ended that night. We went to the opening night of La Bohème at the Royal Opera House Oh wow. And then Thursday we made the transition from central London out to Teddington, which is only about 14 miles from central London. Took us about 90 minutes to get there because the traffic is awesome. Um geez. But made it out there. It's still technically, you know, it's like a suburb of London. It's still technically part of London. But um that was nice because we were It was a big change of pace. I mean, we were in central London. We were at the Park Plaza Westminster Bridge Hotel. You could see out of the front of the hotel. straight over Westminster Bridge to the Elizabeth Tower, the Houses of Parliament, all that was right there. I mean we could see it from the hotel. And so we were right in the middle of it. Like we would go out and we're crossing over the Westminster Bridge and it's just just a m a a mass of people and so it was very busy, tons of people. We were on the South Bank and there's the South Bank is kind of a whole lot of I mean, there's just stuff all along the South Bank and there's a walk that goes along the South Bank for a couple months. And so we were in the middle of all that. And then we got out to Teddington and we were just in a little studio. little studio with a little uh you know bathroom bedroom and then a teeny little kitchen nook and it was fairly newly remodeled and it was clean and it was so much more quiet and chill. There, once we were in Teddington, we would just walk out to and walk along Teddington High Street, go down to the shops, find a restaurant, grab gelato, went into a bookshop, just kind of wandered around. Uh it was nice there, it was easy. For the festival, we would walk down half a block and just hop on the bus and take the bus straight down to Hampton Court Palace. And then once we were done, we would come out of Hampton Court Palace, go to the bus stop, hop on it, take it straight back to Teddington. And um it made that part of it a lot more kind of low-key and easy. And uh yeah, just then did the festival on Saturday and Sunday and kind of had a good time. Um I will say I will say it's really interesting. It is easy for us to forget just how new America is. Yeah. And you're walking around London, this, you know, big city, about nine, something, ten million people in it. And you're just walking along and it's like, here's these big new modern buildings, and then oh, here's the Tower of London that was built in the 11th century. And Oh, here's this that was built in the twelfth century, and here's this which was built in the thirteenth century. And um so It's really weird.
Eden
19:16
It's disorienting. When I was living in Spain, I lived in a town called Tarragona Which was the Roman capital of the uh of the Iberian uh like uh colony, Iberian territories. So yeah, there was like 2200-year-old stuff. You could just go see like an aqueduct. You could just go like be in the Coliseum and it was just like part of the city.
Peter
19:40
Yeah.
Eden
19:41
Or like when you go you go to Madrid and you go to a uh candy shop, a chocolate shop that opened up in sixteen oh four, and you're like, oh, the the they've been making chocolate here for four hundred years.
Peter
19:54
Yeah, it's wild. I mean that's longer that's longer than people have lived in my country. Again, we're walking through Westminster Abbey, which it was interesting. Westminster Abbey was one of those kind of shocking things because you're going through and it's just everywhere you walk. Is an inlaid marker for somebody who's died and buried there. So it's like, oh, here's Charles Darwin, here's Handel, here's this person, here's this person, here's this person. And it is, I mean, I'm making my UK appropriate comment here or joke rather. uh and that is that Westminster Abbey was kind of like the TARDIS. It didn't look that big from the outside. And then we got in and we're walking through it and I'm like, oh my gosh, does this thing ever end? Um but it was just, I mean, you know, and you're there and you're looking at the uh the the coronation chair that's like every king has been crowned on this chair for a a millennia. practically. And it's like, oh, here's, you know, here's the the the um all of these people are buried here from again the again the 1200s, the 1300s, things like that. And We just don't really have a sense of history like that. Uh we went to the British Museum.
Eden
21:10
At least not in the dominant culture. I do have to amend what I said earlier where I said, oh, this chocolate thing is longer than people have lived here. I mean longer than the United States of America because obviously the continent upon which um the United States of America is currently constituted was not depopulated. I am not out here spreading some manifest destiny bullshit about how nobody lived out here. Thank you. Thank you for it. Lots of cultures that had hundreds and thousands of years of of existing and meaningful cultural experiences and and and uh development It's just not the dominant culture upon uh that aba uh amongst which we are also born right.
Peter
21:51
Correct. Thank you for that clarification. Uh it is an important one.
Eden
21:56
I agree. That's why I was like, oh I gotta I gotta say something. I gotta make sure people know that we do recognize that.
Peter
22:03
Uh that we are This is stolen landed States of America as as an an entity, not the co culture of North America as a landmass upon which, as you said people have lived far longer than us white people. True. So um but no, it was cool. We made it over to the British Me well. You know, on Sunday when we just did a lot of walking, we walked over to Trafalgar Square and went into the National Gallery. And you know what? Renaissance and medieval era art, um Babies just look really fucking weird. Those babies just look like they can't do a baby.
Eden
22:43
No, they look terrible. They look terrible They can't do a baby, they can't do a cat.
Peter
22:47
Oh, the cat or the uh dragons also. Dragons are really, really, really weird. But it's funny because you look at the babies and a lot of it comes down to proportions. They didn't paint with, I don't we don't know if the I don't know if they understood or whatever, but you know, you you see those things where it's like, if a baby grew with the same proportions to the size of an adult, we would look terrifying. We would be horrifyingly freaked out freaky looking. But at the same time, if you paint a baby with the proportions of an adult, but just shrink everything down, they also look terrifying. And that's really what they did is their arms and limbs, their limbs were too long for their bodies, their heads were too small for their bodies. We're used to seeing babies and you don't think about it, but their heads are really, really fucking big for what their bodies are. And their arms and legs are really, really, really short for what their bodies are. And so if you just paint them like adult proportions, but small and bald, they're terrifying Yes. Yes, they are. So we kind of we we did that. We got to go see, looked at that. Um the day we went to Uh the British Museum, uh, it it's it's cool. It's overwhelming. There's so much. There's too much to do. Like you get exhausted. But I it was cool to see the Rosetta Stone and like be right there next to it. And you're like, oh yeah, look, I mean, here it is. And you know, here's the the head statue thing of Ramses the second and all of this stuff that Here's what I'd say. We've heard about some of these things almost our entire lives and seen some of these things. For example, you've seen the statue of Ramses II, you've seen the Elizabeth Tower. And the Houses of Parliament, in media, in pictures, in books, I mean in movies and TV shows, all this stuff. You've seen this your entire life. And it was a little weird at first, and it was kind of a surreal feeling of then just being there amongst it all. So it was, it was, it was surreal, but it was cool. Um I will say Hades Town, great. I was not familiar with it. I knew that Liz loved it. I knew that uh Jess, I know Jess has seen it. They love it as well. uh really really really good really good you know good gut punch of a uh classic sort of tragedy i mean it's based on a uh a good old fashioned Greek myth so of course it's got end in in a horrible way. But that was really good. And and I will say seeing La Bohem, I have seen Laboem before. I know that it is an emotional work of art, but you forget just what a kick to the old throat back nads, whatever you want it to be a kick to, but it is it is a gut punch of uh of an opera. And especially the uh the the the artist, the the singer, the the performer who was Mimi, uh who's really kind of the main female character, the one who comes to the tragic end. Probably, I mean, I I I can say definitely in person, the most just jaw-droppingly, stunningly gorgeous voice I've ever heard in my life. And and right up there in terms of anything I've ever even heard recorded. She was just phenomenal. Um Yeah, so the art was cool. And then a couple things about London itself. It is easy. We got home and we're driving up to our house and I'm like, oh my gosh, our streets are massive. They are so ridiculously wide. They're so wide. Oh yeah. Their streets were very narrow. Lanes are but a suggestion. People drive like crazy people. But here's the interesting thing. They don't really get mad at each other. And they're pretty good about letting each other in. Like People weren't getting pissed at each other. They weren't free. The only time really I ever heard horns, and we did a ton of walking through central London, was when stupid pedestrians were walking out into the street in front of a car. Then they let people know about it. But in terms of the actual flow of traffic, they were shockingly accommodating to the other cars who were all doing equally crazy things. So that that was interesting. Another thing is both nights after the the shows, uh we walked back to our hotel. Uh it was about a mile, a little over a mile walk was all, and it was decent weather. And, you know, it was only about 1030 or so at night. I have been in New York, and I wouldn't just be taking a casual stroll at 1030 at night in New York. And I'm just taking, we were just casually walking home from the theater district, and there were just people all over the place, just out walking. And it never felt scary. I'm sh I know bad things happen. I know there's crime. I'm not saying there isn't. But boy, for a major city It felt so much more safe and comfortable to just be out at night than any major city I've ever been in in the in the US. I mean, so much more comfortable than being out at night in Salt Lake City. by leaps and bounds. Um really interesting. Really interesting.
Eden
28:24
So that is interesting.
Peter
28:25
Yeah. But
Eden
28:27
Well, cool. Thanks for thanks you thanks for regaling us with tales of your of your daring do adventures. It was a cool place. I liked it It sounds like it. It sounds like it. Yeah, it was neat. Well, uh, what what have you been checking out pop culture-wise? I feel I hear you watched numerous uh numerous uh What do you call them?
Peter
28:48
Films on the I did. I did. Before we get to the films, because these are all films you're gonna have uh opinions, because I know they're all films you have seen. So I'm gonna cut through the other stuff so that then we can chat together about these films. So let's talk about some music. Since we last met Uh the band Warning has released their album Rituals of Shame. Did we talk about Warning? No. So warning You say Warning and all I think is Yep, I know good old Queens Rank album. Uh no, Warning is a British Doom Band. Their previous album, um Watching from a Distance, came out in 2006. And then they called it quits. And the main guy behind the van did 40 watt sun, which was a little bit mellower, not quite so metal, a little more rock. And then they kind of started doing some shows together again a few years ago. And then all of a sudden earlier this year, it was like, bam, warning is putting out a new album called Rituals of Shame. And it came out a few weeks ago. It is classic Doom Metal. Uh this and watching from a distance are like they're not uh these are this is music for when you are expecting Something very sad. Uh this is some of the most mournful sounding music I've ever listened to, but it's great. It's a good album. Prince of Failure was released. It's a com it's kind of a collaboration between Daniel Tompkins, the lead vocalist for Tesseract. and Paul Ortiz, he goes by Chimp Spanner. Uh he did a a number of albums and some solo guitar kind of genty stuff. It's an interesting pop metal kind of mix, uh, but I haven't gone back to it a lot since the first weekend or so, so it hasn't really been as sticky. Um I don't know if you listened to the new single from Russian Circles. I have no idea. It sounds like it's I mean it sounds like Russian Circles.
Eden
30:46
It sounds like Russian Circles This is a band that f for better or for worse has sounded the same for 15 years and I'm happy for that.
Peter
30:55
I mean this is is more of that. Sounds like they're still in their uh let's make things a little bit heavier era, which I am here for. I like that. That's when I really, really like Russian circles. I have rediscovered the band Coma, K-H-O-M-A. It's funny. I looked in my Apple Music Library and I had one of their albums. I think the last one they released back in like 2012. sitting there, but it was one of those every time I'd look at it, I'm like, man, I don't remember. Why did I add this band? Oh, I added it because Johannes Persson of Quilt of Luna is a guitarist. He does the guitars for Koma. Uh it is another band from Sweden, but it's a lot more think Cult of Luna. Okay, here's what I'd say. Coma is to Cult of Luna as Guilt Machine is to Arion. So it's still post-metal, just like still kind of proggy stuff, but a lot more pop influenced, kind of clean vocals, stuff like that. Uh and I've been really digging it. They basically the reason it popped back up for me is they announced that their second album, their 2006 album, uh is gonna be reissued by Pelagic Records on vinyl. And so that just made me go, okay, I should check these guys out. And really good, really good. And then the final one I will mention is Junius. Junius is a Boston band. I discovered them in 2017 with their album Eternal Rituals for the Accretion of Light. Their most recent album, Sotera, finally dropped a little over a week ago. It's fantastic. Junius is what if Depeche Mode. instead of being kind of a dark pop band, decided they wanted to be a post metal band. And so Okay.
Eden
32:33
I really like Depeche Mot.
Peter
32:35
I think you would really I think you should check out Junius, especially their last two albums. Um Sotera is the new one and again eternal accrete rituals for the accretion of light. They're both fantastic. So very, very cool Um couple books. I f did finish Angie Kills a King. I didn't have much to go, and I stick with sort of my uh my previous assessment that Interesting world. I don't like the main character. The end of this book sets her up to be a leader in the rebellion. And we'll see. I will read it, but it's not something where I'm like, oh, I'm so excited for it to come out because I just still never really got to the point that I liked the character of Angie. Um did read The Color of Magic, the first of the Discworld books. I had read it many years ago, but I started Discworld on the plane, read that. Uh it's fun. Discworld is fun. Terry Pratchett is fun. It was fun to read. And I will be reading more of it, but I kind of got sidetracked. Picked up some history books. So I'm right now reading a book called Willy Willy Harry and Stee, which is basically it is a an entire history of all of the kings of Britain or the the rulers of of uh England. And so I'm kind of going through that. And then I have a couple from actually the guys who do the rest is history podcast, a couple history books of theirs, which are more like funny little uh well not super well known stories from history. Just kind of fun little books. So been reading more of that kind of stuff. Um but yeah, so I I don't know, before we jump into the movies, is there other stuff that you would like to share with
Eden
34:10
with this Sure I could talk about the things that I have been doing that's not movies. Um uh well I can also talk about movies that I have seen that I bet you have not seen which I'll probably do here at the end of the movies. Lots of new music that I've been checking out in the last few weeks. First off, new Rebecca Black single. Oh Peter, it's so good. Do you know Do you know who every time she puts out new music just makes me want to cheer because I am just so happy that she did not let The virulent reaction to her parents paying a producer to let her make a video when she was a tween uh ruin her life and instead was like, no. I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna do something great. Up to and including last time I watched a DJ set of hers, she had a um remixed version of Friday as a part of her DJ set and it It slapped, bro. It slapped. I love that. I love Rebecca Black. I've also been listening. Guess what? I'm still listening to K-pop. Okay. I'm still being a K-pop girly. Um, I here's the thing. Um, Blackpink put out a new EP actually earlier this year and I didn't hear about it. It's real good. The song Go specifically. is a real banger. I really recog if you're like, oh, Eden keeps talking about all these K-pop bands, should I check out a K-pop song? Here's a couple you should check out. Go by Blackpink. Go watch the music video. It's a trip. It's a wild music video. Also, it's the first time all four of the Blackpink girls have written on a song together, so that's kind of fun. Also, here's the part where you need to know this and then go listen to the song. Chris Martin from Coldplay helped write this song, and then you'll listen to it and you'll be like. The Coldplay guy helped write this song? Does not sound like Coldplay. It's good. I mean, that's good than Coldplay everything. I mean, yeah, because Coldplay is no good. So new Blackpink, very good. There is a new band entirely that I found that is called Meow, spelled M-E-O-V-V. They're very good. If you want to hear what a meow song sounds like, look up the song Hit Em, which has been the best. Pump up the jams. Let's get pumped. Let's l do some workouts. Let's like ride bike very fast.
Peter
36:35
Let's work out.
Eden
36:36
It's it's great. It's about being a boxer and fighting very hard. It's really great. Um and then the last thing I will mention is Uh Itze, La Seraphim, and Katseye together worked on no Illit, La Seraphim, and uh Katzai worked together on a song called Iconic by Mistake And it's a bang. Oh, good. It's real good. It's very fun. So check them out. Um, other things to mention, I've been playing a few new video games, both of which are weird, janky. small budget uh action-y games that I don't know that they're good necessarily, but I think they're very good. Okay Um and those are AI Limit and Cry Makina. Cry Makina is Japanese, AI Limit is Chinese AI Limit is absolutely like, hey, what if we tried to make a uh a Souls game, but made it a little too easy to be a Souls game, but that's okay because then normal people can play. It's cool. Yeah, no, it's it's not quite like the Jedi games easy, which are the easiest of those like souls-like sort of e-games, I think you can do because they like you can open the parry window far too wide in those Jedi games. But AI Limit, very cool. You play as a weird robot person. Try it's a weird post-apocalyptic world. You have to fight an evil church. Who doesn't love fighting an evil church? Uh it's pretty cool. It's a very cool game. And then I just recently started Cry Machina because it was on sale at the Steam sale, so I sure picked it up because it's been on my uh my wish list for years at this point and it was finally a price that I was like, okay, I'll pick this up. Um and that is again set in a weird post-apocalyptic future where the whole world was destroyed and They the humanity sent off a like colony ship called Eden that is still just floating through space and the eight AI that are in charge of running the thing Have all just been doing their functions. So what used to be a spaceship is now this entire huge like thing floating in space Uh but now they're all fighting against each other, all the the Dei Ex Machina, as they call themselves, the eight AI. Um so the last AI brings your main character back. uh who was a kid who died from a disease two world before two years before the world uh uh imploded. And you and these two other girls are uh Basically robot people whose job is to become a real human because that's the only way you can bring all the other AIs back under uh control is by being a real human. They'll only answer to a real human because they all follow uh Asimov's rules of robotics and there's no human to order them around. So that's why they're all going rampant. It's pretty cool. It's very stylish. It's very fun. All right, last couple things I will mention are, oh, I have to say I finished how do we relationship. I think I mentioned it last time that I was starting it. Yo, dog. It's the best romance comic I've ever read. Okay. It's so good. It's so good. And importantly. Just last week they announced they're making a live action adaptation of it. Oh wow it is filming this fall. They've cast the two leads, so they put up some promo images. I if they pull this off It's gonna be a really, really good TV show. Okay. So I'm very curious to see how it goes. I'm very excited. The people who are showrunning it are people who have done other shows that I've liked. So I'm hopeful. Um I will save I there is a lot of anime this season that I am watching.
Peter
40:22
Okay.
Eden
40:22
And I will save that for next time because I will just mention I'm watching Chainsmoker Cat. I'm watching Ja Dugar. I'm watching uh I Wanna Love You Till Your Dying Day. I'm watching The Ghost in the Shell. Uh It's a wild time for anime right now. Cool. Very good. So we'll talk about that maybe next week. But movies. A couple movies I know you didn't see. Guess what I got to go see at the grindhouse the other night? What It's a little movie from the 80s starring uh weird Al Yankovic. I went and saw UHF on the big screen. Oh, I love that movie. Uh me too, and I probably haven't seen it in 20 years. It was a delight to watch on the big screen with a bunch of friends.
Peter
41:09
Yeah, totally.
Eden
41:10
I believe it. Especially because my friend Nathan was there and he had never seen it. Uh and so I got to sit next to him as he uh as he enjoyed uh UHF for the very first time. I mean he was blown away by that. That's fantastic. Yeah. Some other pretty bad movies that I've watched, uh Crime Zone and Steel Frontier. They're both just bad like eighties, nineties. The the I watch him with the bad movie pros. Um crime zone had David Carradine in it doing the worst acting that David Carradine's ever done, which is a high bar because he's terrible in everything. He's not a good actor. Oh, he's awful. He was doing nothing in the this film. It was dreadful. Uh we had very fun time watching it because it was so dreadful. Uh and then Steel Frontier was like, what if we made a Mad Max? uh for much much less moon money uh but they did still have some pretty sick ass uh car stunts in it and also Joe Lara was the main character and he was a smokeshow man He's so hot. He's like, what if Jared Leto was not the worst? Just sort of bad and it was already dead. That's Joe Lark. Okay. So let's talk. Movies that I think maybe both of us have seen.
Peter
42:25
Okay, let's do it. Uh let's talk. So again, the flight out was supposed to leave at 11. 15 p. m. We would be landing around one o'clock London time the following day. That didn't happen. We got bumped to six PM the next day, landing at 8 AM the following day, but still overnight, so the flight out But the flight back was a direct ten and a half hour flight from Heathrow to Salt Lake City in the middle of the day. Left at 1015, 10, no, maybe it was like 1050 something in the morning, landed a little after two o'clock. I was wide awake for that one. So I needed something. I bet. So I watched The Fate of the Furious. That's not a good Fast of the Furious movie. So I think it was my favorite of the three I watched.
Eden
43:15
Okay, tell me more.
Peter
43:16
So I watched the Fate of the Furious, and then I follow that with F9 and then I follow that with F ten Let's talk about Okay, of those three of those three, Fate of the Furious is unfortunately the best one. Let's talk about those last three movies in the Fast and Furious franchise Eden.
Eden
43:31
Oh, it's rough.
Peter
43:32
Oh, and it gets increasingly more rough.
Eden
43:36
Increasingly more rough. The problem is they give uh Vin more and more control.
Peter
43:44
The man should have no control.
Eden
43:45
Correct.
Peter
43:47
And he's not God. And I don't know if this was to try and up the stakes, to try and make him more human, but introducing the sun. His little son, Brian Little, dude. Brian Gri that is the biggest problem with all three of these. Agreed.
Eden
44:10
Because then it like it just unnecessarily in endangers the child, and then they have to do stupid things because there's now children involved.
Peter
44:19
But also They want you to think there's real stakes, but there are plenty of times, especially in F9, where it's real easy for them. to make you think there are stakes with a child at the beginning and then you know Dom is like oh I I can't do that now I got a kid I'm a I'm a dad And Letty's like, that's not who we are. And then very conveniently they're like, okay, kids out of the picture, no worries, let's go do a fast and furious movie.
Eden
44:45
Hey, we've got Brian's wife here, the sister we forget about, who only gets briefly mentioned. Take our child for the duration of this film, please.
Peter
44:54
Until we want you to come and and help kick butt at some other time too. Or if that was in F9 as well. I think it was in both of them. I think it was too.
Eden
45:06
And so and then in And then they're always like, and Brian, regular Degular Brian, adult Brian, he's just off screen. Yeah He's just there. Don't worry about it. We won't recast him.
Peter
45:18
No.
Eden
45:19
He's here still.
Peter
45:20
He's here still. Um, let's talk about Too many people, again, here's the problem. You want to make us, you add this son of Dominic into the storyline to in in my up belief and opinion to try and somehow increase the stakes of the story. Yes. But then you completely undo all of that by bringing back every fucking person who's died in the series.
Eden
45:50
Yes. Uh I love Han.
Peter
45:52
Han should have stayed dead. I mean, it undoes so much of again, any feeling of stakes. And why, for the love of all that is decent and holy, does Galgadot have to come back at the end of F ten? Agreed.
Eden
46:07
That's the worst part she should never have come back. No. Let her stay dead. She's the worst.
Peter
46:11
It was egregious. Again, you could bring Han back Uh uh you didn't need to, but you brought Han back and you have the little thing where it's he's talking about the two. Why are you bringing her back? You don't Anyway. Yeah. You try and increase stakes and then you undercut yourself by resurrecting too many people. So now look, spoilers, these movies are old enough, I don't even care. So when Jacob, which oh good grief. Come on, really? I'm sorry. Here's the thing though.
Eden
46:37
Here's the thing though. I was just gonna say, we gotta talk about some of the things that are good in these movies. Because you know who's the best every time he's on screen.
Peter
46:44
John Cena. Yes. I fucking love that guy. That's fine. And I do too. But never once, every time he's on screen, I'm like Bullshit. He is not Vin Diesel's brother.
Eden
46:56
They've got A, B, they we're nine movies in and now we're introducing a secret brother, even though we have spent Eight mov or well seven movies with Dom and Mia.
Peter
47:10
Family, family, family, Amelia, Drinker
Eden
47:14
Drink a corona and talk about La Familia. Except not Jacob. He's not in the family.
Peter
47:19
No, because it's too hot. Because he uh So I thoroughly enjoyed John Cena But again, I don't believe he's dead. I don't believe he's dead. You're giving me so many reasons to not believe he's dead. You try and make me think he's sacrificing himself, but it doesn't have any teeth. There are no stakes at all. Let's talk about villains.
Eden
47:43
I mean they're bad. Charlie's Therone is wasted on this film. On all three of them. Yes. Um I don't even remember who the bad guy is.
Peter
47:53
So it's kind of John Cena in nine.
Eden
47:56
John Cena's kind of the bad guy.
Peter
47:58
I don't even remember who the bad guy is by 10. Well so in in nine, John Cena is backed by uh uh you know nameless rich Mr. Nobody Well no he he's backed by nameless rich son of some m some Eastern European country Whatever. Complete waste of of of space, waste of screen time, just a a cipher that did not need to be there. And then let's talk about F10. Because unfortunately, we're gonna have to deal with this villain again
Eden
48:28
Before we go to F10, I think as I'm thinking about these movies, I think F9 might be the best one. And here is why. Here's why. The boys from Tokyo Drift come back. It's true. And they're all a thousand years old, but they're back. And B, they send Roman and Tedge to space in a car. In a Pontiac Fierro, nonetheless. Roman and Ted go to space. And here's the thing. That movie is so funny because Roman has that running joke about how like he thinks he's maybe got superpowers because nothing bad has ever happened to him. In ten of these fucking movies. Nothing bad has e everyone else has been shot at least once. Half of them have died and come back. Nothing's ever happened at all. That's true. So he's like I think that I have superpowers. And so of course they send him to space and he comes back fine because he's got superpowers
Peter
49:23
It is, you know, I think had And every time, it's just every time Tyrese and Luda are on screen, I feel like I'm winning.
Eden
49:30
Those guys are the bright lights. of that cast at this point. I just want their spin-off movie. Why did they make a spin-off with The Rock and Jason Statham?
Peter
49:41
Gimme the Roman Tedge. The Roman Tedge Two Dumb Brothers uh spin-off It would be a much better movie. Here's the thing I would say. I think in another world in which I had not done these three movies back to back to back I would probably agree with you that nine is the best of the three, but I was starting to feel I was feeling that I had made perhaps poor choices trapped in a metal tube 38,000 feet above the ground. Let's talk.
Eden
50:12
I did just remember Fast Ten is a directed by Louis Leterrier, who is terrifying way worse than Justin Lynn. Well it's gonna be bad. And B, I just looked at the thing to remind myself who the bad guy is. It's Jason Momoa doing the worst That he's ever done in it.
Peter
50:28
It's really bad. That's maybe not true.
Eden
50:31
He was also very bad in another movie I watched last week. But we could talk about that in a minute too.
Peter
50:37
Jason Momo is very bad. Very bad in in the and it's like the problem is is he's not consistent. You want Jason Momoa to come in and be this flamboyant whatever, you know, villain with daddy issues. Okay, great. But do it. But there are all these times now. All these times where it's like, and he's going back and forth between, you know, he's tough guy, Jason Momoa, and then all of a sudden he's painting toenails and fingernails and like it just it It was you could never forget that it was Jason Mamoa.
Eden
51:17
You just couldn't No, it's It I felt like he was dreadful.
Peter
51:22
He was really, really awful.
Eden
51:23
Also, it felt like two-thirds of his dialogue was ADR in.
Peter
51:27
Yeah. Yeah.
Eden
51:28
There are a lot of things where his back is turned or you can't really see his voice and then he's doing goofy lines and you're like Oh no, he spent a lot of time in the booth trying to save this movie and it did not work.
Peter
51:38
No, so so needless to say, we have apparently two more years before the next movie comes out. I don't think they'll ever come out. Yeah. And that's okay. Like it kind of ends on a cliffhanger, but I'm all right. I don't really need to see what is gonna come next
Eden
51:56
I will be seated derogatory. I'll go. I'll probably watch them all again before I go see another one, but I'll go soon.
Peter
52:06
I will see the teth the 11th if it comes if and when it comes out. I will not watch any of these again, I don't believe. Fair. Um but you know what? That's fair. Should we talk about the one that really broke my heart It depends.
Eden
52:21
Is it the one that I saw and then wanted to talk with you about?
Peter
52:24
I don't think so.
Eden
52:25
What one did you see? I mean, I saw
Peter
52:28
Did you go see Masters of the Universe yet? No, I have not been able to. Between call and getting ready to go and everything, I have not had a chance to see Masters of the Universe. Our sister Vanessa liked it.
Eden
52:39
I like that movie a hell of a lot more than I expected to. And my expectations were in the toilet because it's a He-Man movie. That movie's good.
Peter
52:48
I'm excited to see it when I can. I just don't know when I'm going to be able to because of everything.
Eden
52:53
We'll we'll talk about it when you do, because I thought that movie was I was Very delighted by that movie. I am. I thought that the uh it it understood the assignment very well and leaned into being a He-Man movie in, I think, really effective ways. Um, where they were like, this is corny and it's stupid and that's okay and we're just gonna roll with it and do it in the most sincere way possible.
Peter
53:17
Good, good. Again, I am I am looking forward to seeing it because that's what I was hoping. I was hoping that it would embrace the silliness of the entire conceit. So then my question is, is the one that disappointed you Supergirl? No. Didn't have a chance to go see that one either because Oh well that movie sucks. You know, and and that's the sad thing is everything I've heard, I listened to the kind of funny uh in review about it while I was doing some yard work yesterday. And it really sounds like it just like like it's bad enough that these this group of people who have in some cases to make me question their sanity, defended some of the other DC EU movies. They're basically at the end of Supergirl, they're like I wonder how many more of this actual version of the DC universe we're gonna get, because this one was bad. Truly. Like Truly Like
Eden
54:13
It was it felt like a misstep on basically every level. That's what it sounds like. I think that Millie Alcock is trying really hard. to elevate a really, really bad film. And like I w I wasn't expecting that much going in because I don't think Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow was very good. And lots of people think it's one of the best comics ever made. And I'm like, well I mean it looks great because Bill Kievley drew it But Tom King wrote it, and that guy can't write a good comic. Uh so I I had lower expectations, I think, than everyone else I was with, and most of the people who liked that comic, who have read that comic. And it still didn't meet him. I still felt like it was a misfire on top of a misfire. And like it had earned a little bit of goodwill. And then There is a needle drop at the end of this film, in the climax of this film, that is so jarring and out of place. And takes you so far out of the action that I turned to my friend Jackson seated next to me and I said This just burned out any goodwill this movie had for me.
Peter
55:21
Is that the uh is that the worst cover cover of the Jimmy Eat World song The Middle Yes, it's dreadful.
Eden
55:32
If it had been the real song, if it had been the real song, I still would have been like, this was a terrible needle drop. But because it is like lo-fi uh trailer version to Kill Guys 2, it was dreadful. It was I I cannot imagine what person watched that film and said okay to that. Especially because what I've read in the press is that it was between that And the song Girls Just Want to Have Fun, which also would have been inappropriate, also would have hit been a misfire, but it would have been a funny one instead of a terrible one.
Peter
56:10
Yeah, they pointed out that that was another one of the big things of that kind of funny in review is they basically said not a single one of the needle drops. Like worked really. And they pointed out that one especially egregious.
Eden
56:25
It's dreadful. It's dreadful.
Peter
56:26
It's a very bad movie.
Eden
56:28
It's too bad.
Peter
56:29
That is too bad. Well You know what else is a very bad movie?
Eden
56:33
Now we gotta know what did you watch?
Peter
56:36
And it breaks my heart. Look, I had no I didn't think this was gonna be a good movie. I never expected this to be a good movie. But it's Predecessors are also not good movies. But this one's so much worse. Tron Ares can suck my balls. That movie is so bad. That movie it makes it's again It's so bad. Like makes me angry at how bad it is. So it could have been good.
Eden
57:09
The effects are cool as shit. Except here's the thing. When the light bikes are in the real world cutting cop cars in half, you're like That's proven.
Peter
57:16
I disagree. That's the problem. Okay. Is not even the visuals worked for me. Nothing about this movie worked. The visuals, they wanted to look cool, but they just Like, okay, there were brief moments of that that looked okay. And but it's like so much of it doesn't. That's the thing that blew my mind. Tron legacy is not a good story. No. But it is a incredible movie to watch.
Eden
57:46
Yeah, it's cool as hell to look at. The original Tron. The original Tron is not a good story.
Peter
57:51
It's not.
Eden
57:52
But it's cool as hell to look at.
Peter
57:54
And so and and you take Tron Legacy, which just looks sick as shit, and you throw the Daft Punk soundtrack in there. Oh. Here's sometime after I had watched Tron Ares. I just happened to catch. It was an Instagram reel, not even of the scene, but of the person watching the scene in the battle where Sam Flynn, I think it is. runs and jumps in slow-mo as that tr as that daft punk soundtrack kicks in and the light bite forms around him and he takes off. Those ten seconds work better than everything in Tron Ares. The story is stupid. Evan Peters is atrocious as the villain. He is so one-dimensional. I am so sick and tired of
Eden
58:47
bad guys of the villain's motivation being I'm gonna sell arms to the military.
Peter
58:55
And it's just like the second it kicked off and that's what it is, I'm like, oh you've gotta be fucking kidding me This is such a tired trope and he's so one-dimensional. And Gillian Anderson cannot save anything trying to be like, oh, why are you and like just The effects the first time that it sort of 3D prints things from the grid and then the the support the external supports all drop away it kind of looks cool But then it just it when it goes into the grid, it's all like it just doesn't look that cool. Even the battle where Aries takes the NCOM grid people into I mean the the Dillinger grid people into the NCOM grid to like even that battle it's not that cool it's not that like it was I I forgot that battle happened. Until I was reading a summary of the plot to remind myself You were like, oh yeah. Because in my head, all we ever saw was the red grid. And then it was like, no, no, we do have they went to the good group. But like, oh and and Jared Leto, look, here's the best thing I can say about him Does he do an a a passable job of being a computer program who doesn't know how to be human? Yeah, because he sucks. Because he well that's what I'm saying. Like he's so bad that you're just like, yeah, I can believe this is like a piece of code that doesn't know how to be human, but is trying to pretend to be human.
Eden
01:00:18
He's so he is like a charisma void at the center of that film that sucks anything interesting out of that movie. It's astonishing. how bad he is in that film. Because uh he's not good. I don't think Jared Leto is good very often. Occasionally he's good. Again, you should go see Master of the Universe because you know who he fucking kills about Skeletor. He's such because he plays Skeletor as the campy gay bitch we all know Skeletor is. And his uh and his fag hag girlfriend Evila is there to be his beard. Like, it's so funny how gay Skeletor is in that movie and how campily he's played, and it's perfect. And then you're like, this is the guy who sucked literally everything interesting out of Tron Ares?
Peter
01:01:08
Yeah. This guy. So bad. And I mean The story is the most predictable, banal bullshit in the world, and and incomprehensible the decisions they made. Like, I want to know what was the thought process in the writer's room who goes, okay, we've got Tron Legacy. That came out what, 2013? It's been a hot minute.
Eden
01:01:29
Yeah.
Peter
01:01:30
We set this whole thing up with, you know, the idea of spontaneous code generation in whatever Olivia Wilde's character's name was, which I'm blinking on now. She comes out of the grid, we see her riding on the back of Sam's motorcycle. And now all of a sudden you're telling me that without the persistent the the the persistence code that they're looking for. everything dissolves and goes back to the grid in 29 minutes. Well that's not what we just like it and and and we have this character and all we get is a flash by of he's gone and we have two sisters who've taken over NCOM, but then we're gonna go so try hard that we're gonna make one of those sisters died of brain cancer before the movie actually the story actually started. So again, it's like, why did they, there's every decision in this movie, it's like, it's like you guys sat down and said, what's the stupidest thing we could do? Let's do that, and then we're gonna make it stupider.
Eden
01:02:29
Yeah, it's it's truly drastic.
Peter
01:02:31
And I feel bad saying this part too. I found the nine-inch nail soundtrack utterly forgettable. I don't think you're wrong on, but I don't remember there was not a single moment of that soundtrack in the movie itself. Where I was like, oh yeah, I'm feeling this. Like every I did like the sound every moment of that music, I was like, eh, it's just kind of eh for me Um, it was a super bummer. I did not expect it to be good. I did not expect it to be such hot garbage.
Eden
01:03:08
Well, good job watching it. I'm sorry that you had to suffer through that.
Peter
01:03:12
It was perfect because I was trapped in a metal tube 38,000 feet above ground and there was nothing else I could do. So that's the point. It's like I can watch this. Bad movies. Bad movies. I'm glad I watched them when I did because had I had I set aside time when I could have been doing literally anything else. at home, I would have hated these movies even more than I do.
Eden
01:03:38
Yeah.
Peter
01:03:39
But, you know.
Eden
01:03:40
Well I'm glad you had I'm glad you had fun with how bad they are.
Peter
01:03:43
I mean they they they truly were they truly were bad. And here's what I would say. The the Fast and Furious movies at least would probably fall into the good bad movie category categorization. of um of like the flop house except maybe fast ten that one's probably just a bad bad movie um yeah Tron Aries is just straight up a bad bad movie It yeah, it's a real boy, it's a real doozy of a bad movie. Like and and it was again, I'm not saying that Tron or Tron Legacy are good movies. They are not good movies But at least especially Tron Legacy, it is so much fun to watch, so many parts of that. And we just, I did not find Ares to be entertaining from a visual standpoint, except for like maybe 10 to 15 second bits here and there sprinkled throughout this two plus hour long movie.
Eden
01:04:38
Yeah. That's fair.
Peter
01:04:40
Anyway, there we go. Those are the movies I watched. They were bad movies.
Eden
01:04:45
Yeah, that's a bunch of a bunch of weenies.
Peter
01:04:48
They were. They really were.
Eden
01:04:50
But what you gonna do?
Peter
01:04:51
I mean sometimes you gotta make bad.
Eden
01:05:00
We're gonna catch up. So we're gonna punt on our quick thing. Um we already have a plan for next time, so we're winning over here. Um and we will be back in a couple of weeks with another episode Uh feel free to go on your platform of choice and give us five stars or a review. Those always help other people find the podcast. Um, you can always reach out to us at feedback at the middle of culture. com. If you want to tell us that Jared Leto's actually a good actor, I would love to hear your argument. I don't know that it will convince me, but I'd love to hear you try it. And uh otherwise we'll be back in a couple of weeks with another one. Bye.