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Follow one church's journey as they depart from modern church growth trends and reinvent themselves by equipping everyday Christians to live out their faith in real life. Find episodes and show notes at www.dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch
Danielle (00:00.952)
Thanks for tuning in to the Reinventing Church podcast. We're on a summer break.
But we have a couple special bonus episodes for you. I hope you enjoy them and you'll come back this fall when we launch again with Pastor Derek and I talking about the journey that our church is going through step by step practically as we're actually reinventing church with our staff members and people who are interacting with the thing that we're building together as we move forward. So enjoy this bonus episode and we'll see you in the fall.
Derek (00:46.36)
Hi everyone, when Kim, my wife and I got married, we were 20 years old. I know, way too young. We we were actually five years away from being old enough to rent a car. And so we were driving then our car to our honeymoon at Hilton Head, South Carolina. Pretty easy drive, right down the East Coast, I-79, down through West Virginia and North Carolina, then into South Carolina. And I'm a bit of a lead foot, and so well, we're flying along pretty good. We were engrossed in conversation. And we both looked up at the at this one point and we saw the fateful sign.
Tennessee welcomes you. And so we were flying down the highway in the entirely wrong direction. But we were so young and in love that we just thought, you know, this, this will just give us more time to spend together in deep conversation. These days, I'd still be hitchhiking my way back to Erie. No, I'm kidding. The bliss continues. But here's how I would summarize my thought process in that moment. I have no idea where I'm going, but I'm making good time.
And man, that's where a lot of people find themselves in life. They're going really fast. There's a lot going on. and and they're making good time, but it's in the wrong direction. And we have to stop sometimes, make sure that our calendar matches our compass, that that our daily tasks match our life goals. And some of you are going along with your life, and it's pretty good. Like you're working, maybe having a family, maybe having some friends, you got the gym going, got your social life going, a few hobbies you enjoy, some sports teams you follow. Things are okay for you.
And so why would you want to think about getting serious about your faith? Well, let me tell you why. Because the best version of you is God's version of you. Like if you want your life to work best, you better go to the one who designed you to live your life. This is an actual definition I I heard someone on YouTube give for Christians. He said Christians are judgmental, homophobic, moralists who think they're the only ones going to heaven and secretly relish the fact that everyone else is going to hell.
Now, if you're Christian today, that that's kind of what the world thinks about you. And so be encouraged. But but but I want to come back to go just well, what is a Christian? What is a Christian? And I know you expect me to at this point to read a Bible verse and say, well, here's what the Bible says a Christian is. But it but here's a strange fact: Christian was not a term the early followers of Jesus called themselves. It certainly wasn't the name that Jesus gave them. Christian was actually a derogatory term given to the followers of Jesus.
Derek (03:11.212)
By their critics, their enemies. We learn this in Acts 11:26. It says in Antioch, the disciples were first called Christians. They were called Christians. This is passive, which means this wasn't a name they gave themselves. Others gave them that name. And it was it was a bit of a tease. It means something like little Jesus's. But that raises the question: if the first followers of Jesus didn't call themselves Christians, what did they call themselves?
You can see the answer given in that same passage in Acts 11. The word is disciples. So so consider this. The word Christian appears in the New Testament only about three times. The word disciple is used 281 times. And you say, well, that's mildly interesting, but but so what? Well, here's what. Perhaps in changing the word that we use to describe ourselves, we've lost the clarity that the word disciple conveyed about what it actually means to follow Jesus.
I want to suggest that Christian and disciple actually convey two different things. Christian functions more like a sociological label, whereas disciple describes a lifestyle decision. And by moving away from disciple as our primary descriptor, maybe we've obscured the fact that a lot of people who call themselves Christians aren't actually Jesus followers. And so the real question I want us to consider: what was and is a disciple? And are you one?
Like you might say, I'm a Christian, but are you a disciple of Jesus? And before we answer that, it helps to understand what discipleship meant in the first century. Discipleship was not a concept that was invented by Jesus, it was quite common actually in the ancient world. Socrates and Plato and Aristotle, these all had disciples. Lots of other Jewish rabbis during Jesus' time had disciples. Rabbi was what Jesus was called, just mean professor or mentor.
And so, what made someone a disciple? Well, a disciple didn't just listen to their rabbi's teaching. A disciple organized their whole life around becoming like that rabbi. They followed the rabbi everywhere. They watched how he ate, how he prayed, how he treated people, how he handled conflict. The goal wasn't just to know what the rabbi knew, the goal was to become who the rabbi was. There's an ancient Jewish blessing that says, May you be covered in the dust of your rabbi, meaning, may you follow so closely that the dirt
Derek (05:35.214)
Kicked up by his feet would cover you. That's discipleship. And that's what Jesus invited people into: not just believing the right things about him, not just showing up on the weekends, but organizing your entire life around becoming like him. John 15 was Jesus' last extended teaching to his disciples. And he tells them this: He says, By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to me my disciples.
He says later in 16, you did not choose me, but I chose you and I appointed you that you should go and bear fruit. And so the question I want to pose today isn't whether you're Christian. The question is whether you're a disciple. Are you becoming more like Jesus? Is your life bearing the fruit of that relationship with Jesus? And what even does that fruit look like?
And that's what I want to talk about today. Let me just share my big idea that God has a disciple making journey for you to walk. Will you take the next step? As we've embarked on a bit of a new adventure as a church that started with me, honestly, having been here for over 30 years, now realizing the way that we're doing church needs to change at the prompting of the Spirit of God. Now, I'm not going to r rehearse the whole story again. I've been talking about it actually on a podcast recently over at Reinventing Church, if you want to check it out.
But one of the big moments is we made the decision as a church leadership team to lean into discipleship and missional multiplication instead of a kind of church growth megachurch approach is that we realized that we could define discipleship locally. And so we just started asking the question: what kind of disciples of Jesus do we need to produce at grace to reach this particular region for Christ? What are the character qualities? What are the roles? What are the
Practices, the emphases to to prioritize discipleship and bear much fruit here. And so we got a small team of some of our top leaders and thinkers together. We started to scour the scriptures. Like if our job as disciples is to become more and more like Jesus and to bear fruit, then let's look at the life of Jesus and the life of disciples and see what kind of fruit they bore. And and we went individually through each of the gospels, through the book of Acts.
Derek (07:53.526)
And re- we researched what are the character qualities, what are the competencies that Jesus demonstrated and that were reproduced in those who followed him most closely. We called it a a red letter exercise. I even found some pictures of our research that that made it to flip charts. So and then we took all of that research and we started to narrow it down to what were what were the repeated character qualities and competencies that showed up most often in the life of Christ and and his.
Most devoted disciples. Again, what was the fruit? And we came up with some more focused top five lists. And from there, we narrowed down four roles that we believe captured what Jesus demonstrated and the kind of fruit the disciples embodied. We called that our four dream disciple roles. Now I'm showing you this.
Because I've had people push back and say, it sounds like you guys like hired some marketing company to come together and put some slick language to tell everybody, you know, how how what they ought to be doing. And and first of all, cynical much. And I'm kidding. I get it because I've got that kind of BS filter on high alert too. But but that's not how it went down. We went to painstaking lengths to root these roles in the depths of scripture.
And then we did put some modern language around each one of them and build out some practices so that we could remember them and train around them. And by the way, this concept of defining discipleship locally has its roots in Christian history. There are many, many other examples of this kind of methodology. Go all the way back to the sixth century. The rule of Saint Benedict spelled out specific rhythms of prayer and work and hospitality and submission, and it gave language.
To how those believers would pursue Christ together and to be shaped into faithful followers of Jesus. Benedict assumed that local discipleship needed structure and it needed language and it needed agreed-upon practices. Same for the Celtic communities in the 8th century and the Franciscan communities in the 13th century. The Moravians in the 18th century organized into bands who had very specific practices, spiritual practices, and missional expectations.
Derek (10:11.648)
More recently, John Wesley in his class meetings, they had definition and structure. In fact, Wesley believed discipleship would collapse without clear language and practices. And so he developed specific questions and exercises and mutual accountability. None of these groups were claiming to improve on what was already in the Bible. They were just taking those timeless practices and saying, let's put words around. What does faithfulness look like here?
And now, among us in this place. So, this is the same thing we're doing with these dream disciple roles. We're naming practices and pathways and language that hopefully you can remember and then faithfully walk out in your real and everyday life, or everyday, everywhere, as our mission statement says. So, what are those dream disciple roles? Well, let me r rehearse them for you. They are, number one, compassionate storyteller. This is what would historically be known as evangelism, okay?
And it just says I know God's story, my place in it, and I'm motivated to tell the people in my life. Second, savvy follower. Again, this is connected to spiritual disciplines, to obedience. It just says I will discern God's voice and follow his lead at the right time in the right way. Third, intentional friend. This is fellowship and hospitality and so and some evangelism. It says I will build healthy relationships and help God restore broken ones. And fourth, embedded influencer. This would be traditionally called.
Mission or ministry. It's just says, I understand how God has purposely gifted and positioned me to multiply his work in the world. And so again, we're putting some modern language to these historically Christian practices and qualities. And our goal now is to create environments as a church where through surrender and prayer and dependency upon the Holy Spirit, we can seek to become more like Jesus in these ways, to bear this kind of fruit.
Through training and multiplication, that we can bring the kingdom of God to earth as Jesus taught us to pray. And as I said earlier, that the best version of you is God's version of you. And I just believe that chasing these roles down right now for us is worth the effort. And it does take effort, by the way, to live a life of faith. People who think it should just come easy, like the people say, well, if it's truly faith, you shouldn't have to work at it at all. Listen, tell me any other area of life where that's true.
Derek (12:35.53)
No nobody ever wakes up says, you know what, I I should learn Spanish and I want it so badly. I wonder if like I hope and want it hard enough that that I'll wake up tomorrow morning being able to speak it fluently. Nobody says that. Or like I really want to play the violin or I really want to run a marathon or bench 300 pounds. I wonder if I might be able to do that tomorrow if I just want it bad enough. No, you won't. You don't actually accidentally drift into anything that's worth doing.
And nobody drifts into holiness. Nobody drifts into Christ-likeness. People just don't magically start living the life that God called them to live by accident. It requires grace-driven effort. And I believe these four aspects of discipleship are worth us chasing down. I want to see more and more as we move forward and in life groups and teams to see our life groups and teams be like greenhouses.
That grow disciples like this, that we're checking in with each other, that we're holding each other accountable, that we're making this part of our conversation. We need to move these things from concepts on paper to something that actually shapes how we're living, that we would be disciples. We have to move beyond Sunday teaching, because for a lot of Christians, the teaching that you receive on a Sunday never makes it to your Monday. And we have to move beyond just trying harder.
Just like gritting our teeth. Because that's just like trying to willpower your way overnight to playing the violin concerto the next day. We have to do training. And so, in addition to groups and teams, we're building trainings around all of these roles that hopefully will help you to live in to live out these roles yourself. But not just that, to be able to share them with others, to disciple others.
Next week I'm gonna share some examples and and some tools with you about how we're actually doing this. Because for years, pastors like me have stood up and said things like, you know, you should be, you know, a light for Jesus in your workplace. And everyone nods and agrees because we all think that's true. But we have no earthly clue how to do that. Or we'll stand up and say, You need to read your Bible and pray every day. And people nod and maybe feel guilty inside, but we don't know how.
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Or we'll say, you know, forgive that person who hurt you, but you don't have the tools to make that happen, or witness to your neighbor. And it sounds nice and spiritual, but we don't know where to start. And so here's what has happened as a result. If you do ever work up the courage to do any of that stuff, like when you finally get to that moment, the thing that actually comes out of your mouth is something like, Will you come to church with me? Which is great.
But but then you come in looking at me going, okay, Derek, do your thing. Like you tell them, you know, the whole thing. You tell them about Jesus. And the problem with that is fewer fewer in people in our culture trust people like me. But you know who they do trust? You. Because they know you and and they know you're not getting paid to say stuff. And so our trainings need to get us to the street level.
And and so to finish things today, I just want to walk through these roles one more time, these four roles that we researched extensively, and to show you in scripture a real life example of that role in action, a kind of patron saint of sorts. Let's call them role models, because we don't just need definitions, we need demonstrations. What does this look like? We we need to see what it looks like when somebody actually lives the this thing out in real life. And so let's start with compassionate storyteller. Remember the the definition.
It says, I know God's story, my place in it, and I'm motivated to tell the people in my life. And our role model here is one of the most unexpected evangelists in the entire Bible. It's a woman whose name we never actually even learn. In John chapter 4, the story happens, and you maybe know the story. Jesus is traveling through Samaria, which Jewish people typically avoided entirely. He stops at a well around noon. A woman shows up to draw water. She comes alone in the heat of the day, which meant she was avoiding people.
And we find out why she was avoiding people as the conversation unfolds. She's been married five times and she's currently living with a man who isn't her husband. In that culture, she carried enormous shame. And so she had organized her entire life around not being seen. And then Jesus sees her and he initiates a conversation that crosses every cultural and gender and religious barrier. The conversation starts with water and ends with worship. And right in the middle,
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Jesus exposes her and he heals her all at once. He shines a light on her sordid past and her shaky present. And I love the fact that in the midst of the conversation, she doesn't run. She doesn't shut down. In fact, by the end, Jesus has revealed himself to her as the Messiah. One of the clearest declarations of his identity in all four Gospels. And watch what happens next. John 4, 28 and 29 says, then leaving her water jar.
The woman went back to the town and said to the people, Come see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah? She left her water jar. Remember, she came to the well for water. Like that was the whole point of her trip. But she encountered someone so significant that she forgot why she came in the first place. And so this new story of the Messiah had collided with her story and and and really overtaken her story.
And then, and and this is the part that gets me every time. She runs back to the very people she had been avoiding, the whole town, the people who had whispered about her, who she had structured her schedule to never see. She runs toward those people. And what does she say? It's not a theological lecture, it's not notes from her seminary class. She just says, Come see this man who told me everything I ever did. Her mess became her message. The very thing she was most ashamed of became
Her testimony and her encounter becomes an invitation to others. John 439 says, Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him, listen, because of the woman's testimony.
Because of her story. Certainly not because of her credentials. Those weren't great. Not not because she had it all together. She did not. But because she met a savior who changed everything and she couldn't keep it to herself. She had the courage to push past all of her insecurities and to say, My life story has been redeemed by a savior. That's compassionate storyteller. And listen, guys, you don't need to have all the answers. You don't need to have a perfect past. You don't
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You just need an encounter with Jesus and the willingness to say, Let me tell you what happened to me. I think about Dennis and the many conversations that he's having with his medical caregivers at the Cleveland Clinic these days as he's walking through a season of a tough diagnosis. Just saying, Hey, listen, I'm open to tell the story of my life and the story of God to anyone who will listen to me. So I ask you, do you know your story? Do you know the moment or maybe the process when Christ's salvation
invaded your life. Can you tell it? Can you tell it in a succinct and meaningful way? Not yucking it up with all kinds of religious terms that nobody understands. Like could you give an elevator pitch of how Jesus Christ makes a difference in a human life and who in your life is waiting to hear that story? Whose eternity depends on your willingness to share it. A compassionate storyteller can't keep it to themselves what God has done. This is one of the fruits of being a disciple.
The second is savvy follower. So the second dream disciple role here is savvy follower, and here's the definition. I will discern God's voice and follow his lead at the right time in the right way. Notice that phrase: the right time in the right way. This isn't just about obedience, it's about obedience and wisdom. It's about discernment, knowing when to push and when to wait, when to speak and when to stay silent, when to resist and when to adapt.
And our role model for this role is Daniel, and his story will mess with you a little bit if you let it. Daniel was about 15 years old when the Babylonian army rolled through Jerusalem. They took all the sacred vessels from God's temple as trophies for their pagan shrines. And they took the brightest and most promising young people, Daniel among them. And they marched them 900 miles into captivity. He would be assimilated into an empire that specialized in erasing identities.
So they gave Daniel a new name, Belteshazzar, which means Baal's prince. They enrolled him in a three-year program studying Babylonian literature, which included astrology and omens and incantations. It was a cult acclamation program. They served him food from the king's table that would have violated God's law. And here's what fascinates me about Daniel: it's where he drew the line. And so he accepted the pagan name, which is wild. He he he aced
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The pagan literature graduated at the top of his class. He faithfully served in the government of this godless empire for decades. But when it came to the food, Daniel 1 says, Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the king's food or with the wine that he drank. So why draw the line here and not somewhere else? Because Daniel had discernment. He understood that not every battle is the battle.
He knew that if he fought them on everything, he would have no credibility left when it really mattered. And so he played the long game. And because of that, later in the book, when Daniel stands before kings and declares that the whole Babylonian system is rubbish and that there's only one true God, guess what happened? People listen to him. This is what it means to be a savvy follower. It's not compromise, it's wisdom, it's knowing what hills to die on.
Think about how Jesus modeled this with something as simple as tables. Sometimes Jesus sat at tables, he ate with tax collectors and sinners, and the religious leaders lost their minds, by the way. Sometimes he hosted tables, The Last Supper, where he instituted communion. Sometimes he knelt beside tables, washing his disciples' feet like a servant. And sometimes he flipped tables, driving out the money changers with a whip. Same Jesus, four completely different responses crafted for that specific moment, because not every table calls for the same.
Move. You have to be savvy. And and here's the part that's so fascinating about Daniel's story. In chapter one, when we meet him, Daniel is fifteen, making that first crucial decision about food. By chapter six of Daniel, it's Daniel in his eighties, same guy, still opening his window, praying toward Jerusalem three times a day, still seeking God's wisdom, still faithful, s just sixty years of quiet obedience. Listen, before the lion's den ever happened.
Like we love the Lion's Den story. It's dramatic, it preaches great. But Daniel didn't wake up one morning with that kind of courage. It was it was built across six decades of small unseen choices, faithfulness when no one was watching, being formed by God in a culture that was constantly trying to reform him and deform him. That's a savvy follower. And by the way, that's the kind of culture we live in too. And so we need Christians who develop discernment and wisdom over the long haul.
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Who who learn to hear and discern God's voice for the moment. They they read the scriptures, they pray, they listen, they discuss what God might be saying with trusted spiritual confidence. But it's not just about hearing from God in the secret place. It's also knowing what move to make at the table you're at, acting in in a way that the situation calls for.
See, the disciple who knows that godliness isn't about winning every argument or calling out every offense. It's about following his lead at the right time in the right way, even when the pressure to conform is relentless. And so I ask you, are you hearing God clearly? Are you following him faithfully? Are you spending energy on battles that don't matter and avoiding matters that do? What would it look like for you to play the long game, to stop?
Reacting to everything in the moment and start responding with wisdom. This is one of the fruits of discipleship. The third role is intentional friend. The definition for intentional friend says I will build healthy relationships and help God restore broken ones. And our role model for this role is Barnabas. And now some of you might be thinking, you know, friendship? That's a discipleship role. Isn't that just being a decent human being? Here's why we felt it belongs in our framework.
We live in the loneliest era in human history. We we have more ways to connect than ever and fewer actual connections. The average American has fewer close friends than at any point since we started measuring. And and the church, the community that's supposed to be known by its love, often defaults to shallow pleasantries in the lobby. We we've made friendship optional to discipleship, and Jesus didn't.
Jesus had crowds, but he invested in twelve. And of those twelve, he had an inner circle of three. And to those closest to him, he said something remarkable. I no longer call you servants. Instead, I have called you friends. Friendship wasn't beneath the Son of God, it was actually central to how he did his ministry. In addition to Jesus, our role model, Barnabas, listen, you need to understand something about Barnabas. Barnabas isn't even his real name, his name was Joseph.
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But the apostles nicknamed him Barnabas, which means son of encouragement. He was so consistently the guy who built people up that encouragement became his name and his very identity. We see Barnabas in action in Acts chapter 9. Saul of Tarsus shows up in Jerusalem claiming that he's converted and everybody's keeping their distance. I mean, this was the guy who who had been dragging Christians to prison. Who who sh who would trust him? Barnabas.
It says in Acts 9 27, Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He vouched for the man everyone else feared. And that one decision changed the trajectory of the early church. And then later in Acts 15, Paul and Barnabas are planning a mission trip. Paul wants to cut John Mark loose because he'd quit on them during a previous journey. Barnabas refuses to give up on him, and they disagree so sharply that they part ways. Barnabas takes the quitter and
And invests in him anyway. And years later, Paul writes to Timothy, get Mark and bring him with you because he's helpful to me in my ministry. And and the gospel of Mark that we studied last year exists because Barnabas wouldn't quit on a quitter. That's an intentional friend. Someone who stays in the room when everyone else walks out, someone who sees potential when others see risk. And so who is the person everyone else has given up on?
That God might be calling you to stay with? Is there a new friend God is calling you to make? Is there an existing friendship that He's calling you to deepen? Is there a broken friendship that he's calling you to restore? This is one of the fruits of discipleship. The last one is embedded influencer. The final dream disciple role says, I understand how God has purposefully gifted and positioned me to multiply his work in the world. The key word here is position.
This role is about understanding your placement. Where has God put you? And what does he want to do through you there in that place? See, our role model for this role is Esther, and she makes for a fascinating contrast, by the way, with Daniel. Remember, Daniel, he refused to compromise. He wouldn't eat the king's food. He wouldn't stop praying. He didn't care who was watching. Esther, well, she's kind of the opposite. She hides.
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Her Jewish identity. She enters a beauty competition to marry a pagan king. She assimilates completely into the Persian culture. If Daniel is the picture of bold resistance, Esther is the picture of quiet positioning. And here's the thing: God used them both. For the first few chapters of her story, Esther seems mostly interested in Esther. She's climbing the ladder, she's winning the crown, she's securing her place. But in chapter four of her book, we see a shift.
A death sentence has been signed against her people, and her cousin Mordecai sends word that she needs to act. And her response, I haven't been called into the king's presence for for thirty days. Anyone who approaches him uninvited would would be executed.
Mordecai then asked the question that cuts to the heart of the whole role. He says, Who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this? The citadel, the kingdom. Notice that phrase. You have come to the kingdom. Other translations say you were brought here. You were brought to the kingdom. It's a passive verb. And what Mordecai is saying is, What if this isn't about you? Well, what if everything that you thought was your own advancement was actually God?
Positioning you for something bigger. And so Esther gets it, and her response marks the turning point of her life. She says, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish. She she went from using her position for herself to leveraging it for her people. Her placement wasn't for her comfort, it was for God's mission. And some of you need to make a similar shift. The question for you is: where has God embedded you?
Is it your workplace, your neighborhood, your gym, your kids' school, your family system? That that's your citadel. And you're not there by accident. The question isn't whether you've been positioned. The question is whether you'll use that position for yourself or for something bigger. An embedded influencer recognizes that their placement is purposeful and they steward it accordingly. So these are the four roles.
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That that I believe that you need to know. They represent the fruit of discipleship at grace for this time. And and and here's something else you need to know. These four roles work together. See, before you start sorting yourself and saying, Well, I'm a I'm definitely a Barnabas type, or I'm not really an Esther type, let me just be clear about something. These aren't like personality types where you choose which one is most you. And these are not like spiritual gift categories where you pick your lane and you kind of ignore the rest. All four of these roles.
Are the marks of a maturing disciple at grace? Each of them shows us something essential about what it looks like to follow Jesus at this time and in this place. You don't have to be great at all four of them right now, but you should be growing in all four. And here's the good news: God isn't asking for perfection, He's looking for your availability. He'll, he'll, he'll do the forming if you'll do the following.
I've said before that this is gonna be a year for us of prayer and practice. We've been encouraging prayer in our groups and our services in recent weeks, and there's more to of that to come. But I also want to invite you to practice. I'm gonna show you some more next week of some trainings that we're building, some examples, but but one of the shifts I want to invite you to is to decide to own your spiritual growth. To say, I'm gonna lean my shoulder into this. I'm gonna get serious about my relationship.
With Christ. We we have a a round of seven new launch classes starting in February and March. So launch is like our orientation into these dream disciple roles, as well as acclamation into our church's new ministry strategy. We also created two special experiences called Samplers. One is on a savvy follower on March 2nd, the other is for Intentional Friend on March 3rd. You'll you'll get a little taste of the training environments that we're creating, as well as some tools and exercises.
To build these discipleship muscles. You can also visit whoisgrace.com/slash dream disciple to get an overview of these four discipleship roles. I'll just say the life change that I've seen already in just piloting these trainings is just incredible. I'll tell you a little bit more about it next week. I love you guys.