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Work like you’re not a parent.
Parent like you don’t work.
What if that whole system is wrong?
This is Full Stack Moms, and we are Mallory Lee and Shannon Curran, two working moms navigating tech careers, parenting, and everything in between. We talk about why the traditional rules of work don’t fit modern parents and how women in tech are doing things differently. Through honest conversations and behind-the-scenes stories, this show explores careers, caregiving, ambition, and the messy reality of having it all, just not all at once.
Connect with Mallory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mallorylee/
Connect with Shannon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannon-sweeny-curran/
Produced in partnership with Share Your Genius
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[00:00:00] Paula Wise: there are times where it's really hard because I'll have to do stuff and my daughter will be like, you're always working on Sampleit and then the mom guilt creeps in, and so what I end up saying to my kids in those times is like,
[00:00:12] do you need me to fill you up?
[00:00:14] I feel like they just need attention. So I'll say like, let me fill you up. And so I'll just give them like giant hugs.
[00:00:20] I'll have 'em sit on my lap for a few minutes , This is Full Stack Moms.
[00:00:25] Speaker 2: This is not a parenting podcast nor a business podcast, but a place where we talk building careers in tech, raising kids at home, and making it work in public.
[00:00:34] Mallory Lee: Paula, it's so great to meet you. Thank you for coming on and joining us today.
[00:00:38] Paula Wise: Yeah. So great to be here. Thanks for having me.
[00:00:41] Mallory Lee: I'd love to start with kind of the lightning round of just all about you. So I'm curious, how many kids do you have?
[00:00:48] Paula Wise: I have two kids, nine and one who will be seven in a week.
[00:00:51] Mallory Lee: Nine and seven. Okay. And where do you guys live?
[00:00:55] Paula Wise: We live in the Boston area in a town called Needham.
[00:00:57] Mallory Lee: Medium. Okay. And then [00:01:00] how about the rest of your family? What's that look like for you guys?
[00:01:03] Paula Wise: Yeah, so small family. my sister and her kids are on the North Shore. They're in Marblehead. My husband's sister is in Dover next door. so it's a really small family. We're all kind of local. Um, two kids, three cats, you know, those are my
[00:01:19] Mallory Lee: Oh, okay.
[00:01:20] Paula Wise: precious babies.
[00:01:21] Mallory Lee: Oh, the ones that will still cuddle you even after. The 7-year-old and the nine Yearold are.
[00:01:27] Paula Wise: yeah. They never, these ones never annoy me. So they're the curly one
[00:01:30] Mallory Lee: Oh, and what keeps you busy for work?
[00:01:33] Paula Wise: I've always been in the corporate world. I've been in marketing my whole career and started at Boston Children's, ended up in the investment world and. as of the last two years I've been kind of doing my own thing. I've built my, a company called Sample It. It's a subscription box company.
[00:01:50] better for use snacks for kids to try, before the parents have to buy them in the store, not knowing if they're gonna like them or not.
[00:01:56] Mallory Lee: that is so fun,
[00:01:58] Shannon Curran: We and I yesterday, [00:02:00] How'd it go? Did you,
[00:02:03] Big, big hit.
[00:02:04] Paula Wise: Good. I'm glad.
[00:02:05] Shannon Curran: we, we were, we were on our way. We were walking in, just for the listeners by the way. so Paula has a really interesting connection to tech because her husband is al also in tech, kind of. and so I work with, uh, with of my clients at one screen and I, he introduced us and I was like, oh, this is perfect.
[00:02:23] We talk about snacks a lot on this podcast. Uh, Paula. Um, and so we do a, a comical amount. but now Sebastian knows when he sees like the sticker on the box, he's like, our snack box is here. He literally said
[00:02:34] this.
[00:02:35] Paula Wise: I love it. Yeah,
[00:02:36] Mallory Lee: That's fun.
[00:02:37] Shannon Curran: yeah, he is like, I want these ones. That's what he always said. I'm like, we can have one snack a day.
[00:02:41] 'cause then it lasts us like two weeks that he has a new snack every day. honestly, it, the sample box is enough for us 'cause he's only two. So it works out perfect for
[00:02:48] Paula Wise: yeah. Exactly. Yep.
[00:02:52] Mallory Lee: Yeah. That box would probably last about four minutes at my house.
[00:02:57] Shannon Curran: Yeah, you would've a tougher time, I think, with the
[00:02:59] Mallory Lee: [00:03:00] We have three boys, Paula, and we have another, like one of our kids is obsessed with snacks, so
[00:03:06] I will be following up and looking into this project for sure.
[00:03:10] Paula Wise: It's the best parenting hack is just always have snacks around, you know?
[00:03:14] Shannon Curran: Yes. Call, call, dinner, big snack. That's, it was working so well for me for so long. you were in the corporate world, so you had two kids while you were, you know, still working corporate. So did you know that you wanted to at some point go out on your own?
[00:03:30] Or like, what was this kind of like journey, right? Like having both of your kids, like, did you take a typical maternity leave, like when you had both of your kids, and then how did this turn into something different for you?
[00:03:40] Paula Wise: yes, I did take a typical maternity leave for both of my kids. I never really like, thought that I, you know, I never had the thought I really wanna go and work on my own and be on my own. it was more the idea that came to me that I was like, I have to go and build this, because there's just, it, there was just, it felt like it was my calling.
[00:03:59] So, [00:04:00] you know, I've always, I feel like entrepreneurial, the entrepreneurial world is kind of like embedded in my, you know, family as it is. My husband's an entrepreneur. my father's an entrepreneur, so I feel like it's kind of just like always been there as a thing, wanting to
[00:04:16] Pursue our ideas and, and, and kind of go out on our own and do those things. But I would say I, I was working in marketing in the corporate world and I just came to a point, with having little yet kids, I just felt like I didn't feel fulfilled anymore with what I was doing. I felt like it was just so redundant every day going into work and just didn't feel like fulfilled and having kids, like your perspective on everything changes.
[00:04:47] I feel like I would've like, had a better balance being a mom and being a professional if I was able to do my own thing. And so it kind of just like fell on my lap because of the idea that came to me. [00:05:00] And I was already at this point, kind of transitioning out of the investment marketing world into.
[00:05:05] Nutrition and food as medicine. It was it's real passion of mine. And so I started doing consulting, for different, better For You brands. and I, you know, was always been into nutrition, always wanting my kids to eat better, always trying to find better for you snacks in the grocery store. And I felt like I was just wasting all, you know, wasting money, wasting food by bringing things home.
[00:05:28] And they, they didn't like it. So I decided, I just kept saying to myself, wouldn't it be great if kids could just sample these things before we buy them? And so the idea, it just kind of evolved that way. and just given the fact that I have that entrepreneurial, I guess background and
[00:05:46] Mallory Lee: the DNA.
[00:05:47] Paula Wise: DNA exactly, I just kind of, I'm just gonna go figure this out.
[00:05:50] And that's just kind of how it evolved.
[00:05:53] Mallory Lee: So you were consulting with some of these brands ahead of time, which was probably a good way to like get their [00:06:00] buy-in and evaluate that opportunity and everything.
[00:06:03] Paula Wise: Yeah, just a little bit of background, so I went through my own personal health journey after having kids, like in 2021 post COVID. I just felt like I really wanted to get back to feeling good and being healthy. And so I started seeing a nutritionist and a gut health specialist, and I started going down this rabbit hole of just learning about food and nutrition and learned so much.
[00:06:23] And once you know these things, you can't unknow it. And so I, I just became, became really passionate about it and that's kind of what led me to leave the corporate world and get into food as medicine and you know, these better for you brands to really apply my marketing expertise to help build awareness towards these causes and towards these brands.
[00:06:43] And so it kind of just like all ended up. fitting well that I started doing consulting for these brands, but also was building a product that allowed these brands to have direct exposure to these families and have direct, access to [00:07:00] trial for these families.
[00:07:01] Mallory Lee: I'm so curious. Like, I know you said you went to a nutritionist, but do you have any sort of like favorite go-to resources as far as the food is medicine kind of journey you've been on, whose research you love the most?
[00:07:17] Paula Wise: I mean, I have a couple of my favorite, you know, people that I follow and influencers and podcasters. I think there's, you gotta be careful because there's, so, everyone tries to be, you know, a food expert, a nutrition expert, and so
[00:07:29] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:07:30] Paula Wise: be careful, especially with like. It is, and especially like there's a lot of misinformation out there, you know, when it comes to like seed oils and everything, just, it just be, things become trendy.
[00:07:40] But I would say like my favorites, who I really trust and anything they say is like Andrew Huberman, Gary Breca, you know, those are some of my favorites. Um, I'm trying to think. And then, you know, of course my nutritionist always has really good resources for me. So she, you know, I found this, it's called the Chemical Cuisine.
[00:07:59] It's, it's a [00:08:00] resource that was the C built through the center of science through the public interest, CSPI. And it's basically like a nonprofit that, um, you know, does research on food additives. and, you know, there's no like overarching like tie to like government or whatever. It just feels like it's just, it's literally for the public.
[00:08:19] And so that's kind of how I get my, you know, some of my facts as well. But yeah, I think just. Being in this for a while now, you just start to find the people that you trust and, you know, have the expertise and the credibility. you know, there's like, there's, you know, there are some influencers like Health by Hunter, who's he on Instagram and I love, like the products that he always recommends.
[00:08:43] I, you know, he's a health coach, but he would feel like I'm kind of like on the same level as him in terms of the types of products that we like to,
[00:08:51] Mallory Lee: nice. I am also passionate about this, so I'm just like soaking all this up. I'm glad we're recording so I can go back and[00:09:00]
[00:09:00] get
[00:09:00] Shannon Curran: actually just for Mallory's research. I know there's,
[00:09:03] Paula Wise: have a lot of audio books that I've read, a lot of, like podcasts, so like I'm happy to share some resources after, but I just went down this massive rabbit hole, which is kind of a blessing and a curse to be honest with
[00:09:15] you.
[00:09:15] Shannon Curran: I was gonna say, it's hard, right? And I think we're in an era of, I don't think there's any parent that truly doesn't just want what's best for their kids. Right. And I think that's what gets lost. the internet hates nuance. I can already hear it. You know, like, there's like, it just, it's really hard to have like a reasonable conversation.
[00:09:32] Right. And I think there, everything can get twisted so much. So I think it's a really thoughtful thing. 'cause I remember. Thinking about like, yeah, of course. My kids eat tons of stuff. I have the access and ability to be able to like, give them things that are fuel. Right. And I think we have lots of discussions in my house about, I believe really strongly in neutrality around food too, right?
[00:09:52] Like there's no, nothing good, nothing bad. Like we just like want to fuel ourselves some food, makes our belly feel better. Some food makes our belly feel [00:10:00] tough. Uh, but it's delicious. It's okay. Right. You know what I mean? I think there's, um, there is definitely a balance and I love that you are allowing people to make the choice for themselves.
[00:10:08] I think that's the best, the coolest part about sample it is like you just try it all, then you can decide, right. Like what works best for you. and I think that's, yeah. It's so cool. And I think I would love to hear a little bit, now you're probably working the same amount of hours, if not more than you were in corporate.
[00:10:23] Right. But you just have like your own ability to decide when that is. Right.
[00:10:27] Paula Wise: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:10:29] Shannon Curran: you know, would love to hear it.
[00:10:30] Yeah.
[00:10:30] Paula Wise: But I just wanna touch real quickly on what you said, because I think that's really important is that I really try and make sure that when I'm talking about sample it, I'm referring to it as better for you options, not healthy options. Because it's really comes down to, it's all about the swap.
[00:10:45] you know, I believe, you know, kids are gonna eat snacks, like it's just part of life. but you know, if you, if they're gonna have snacks, you might as well try and find the better for you version of it, where there's no, you know, dyes in it or there's no like artificial sweeteners. But that [00:11:00] said, again, my kids are still kids and you know, you can't shield them from life.
[00:11:04] And I still let them have all the junk too. You know, it's like, it's about. An 80 20 rule. Like we try and, you know, be as good as we can on the weekdays. I, I don't buy certain things. I don't keep like Sour Patch kids in my house, but if we go to the movies, sure they can have Sour Patch kids, you know. So I think it's a balance.
[00:11:22] You don't want it to backfire. You don't want them to have a complex, but my kids are learning a lot about making better for you choices when it comes to like what's good for their bodies and how they want to feel. So I just wanted to touch on that. But, um, yes, so I'm working weird hours now. Like I feel like when you're working in the corporate world, it's like nine to five, you know, or eight to six,
[00:11:45] Shannon Curran: Eight to six.
[00:11:45] Paula Wise: but it's exactly eight to six.
[00:11:47] But now,
[00:11:48] Mallory Lee: Nine to nine.
[00:11:50] Paula Wise: Exactly. I know, I mean, I guess things have really changed since like, becoming remote. Like, you know, you can easily jump back on at a seven o'clock or eight o'clock, but, [00:12:00] um, when I was in the office, you know, it was a typical eight to five or eight to six day, Now it's like my life has, everything has to stop when like, my kids are needed.
[00:12:10] So I, you know, I, I send them on the bus in the morning, I go to work. sometimes I, I, you know, I volunteer at their library. I, you know, sometimes like I have to pick them up for appointments sometimes if they're sick, you know, everything has to stop. and then, you know, I pick them up after school and I have to go back into mom mode making dinner, hang, you know, playing with 'em.
[00:12:32] And then I usually will hop back on, the computer or continue doing my work, around six or seven o'clock, when they're, watching tv. it's hard and especially on the weekends now, like the weekends it's very difficult to like get some stuff done.
[00:12:46] Like sometimes I really try and, you know, squeeze an hour here and there. But like with sports and everything, it's just. The weekends are a wash. so it's just, it's whenever I can possibly squeeze that time in is when I is, when I try to get [00:13:00] things done.
[00:13:00] Mallory Lee: I love that. I think that, you know, you have that passion for it and that's what makes it easier to be engaged. It's almost like it plays in the back of your mind 24 7, and you just have to choose when you give in to the feeling to go work on it. I feel like that, you know about my job and about the podcast too sometimes.
[00:13:22] but I love that there's a meme I've seen on Instagram a few times lately. It's like a guy on his cell phone and he's out in some like random place and it says, I'm so glad I became an entrepreneur so I could work my 90 hours whenever I want, you know?
[00:13:37] Paula Wise: It's so true. Yeah.
[00:13:40] I mean, luckily what I do is also like I get my kids involved as much as I can and they love it
[00:13:47] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:13:49] Paula Wise: You know, right now I'm sending out the spring box, so there's been a lot of box building in my basement. Everything is in my house. My basement's a fulfillment center.
[00:13:56] Mallory Lee: Oh wow.
[00:13:57] Paula Wise: They have buckets of snacks in the basement, which, you know, any [00:14:00] kid would love that.
[00:14:01] so my kids love to participate and they love to help out. My son, I think, is a little entrepreneur in the making because he makes me pay him for his work. Um, which I'm
[00:14:13] happy to
[00:14:13] Shannon Curran: hourly rate?
[00:14:14] Paula Wise: I'm happy to do so. I, so I don't like paying my kids for chores 'cause I think that they should have jobs. Like they, like, you know, as part of the family you should put your laundry away, like things like that.
[00:14:26] But I'm happy to pay him $5 to make a bunch of boxes for me, you know? you know, he is like
[00:14:32] Shannon Curran: a bargain for both parties.
[00:14:33] Paula Wise: for the family business, so.
[00:14:36] Mallory Lee: And that's great for your
[00:14:37] taxes
[00:14:37] Paula Wise: exactly. So, and he loved, my kids. Love it.
[00:14:40] Shannon Curran: is it that they get to see their mom do this too, right? Like they get to, it's so cool 'cause both of their parents are entrepreneurs, right? So Greg started a his own company as well, right? One screen and where I'm the fractional CMO, hello everyone. Um, and uh, check it out, um, if you wanna do some out of home.
[00:14:59] [00:15:00] and so, but they see their dad like create this business right where he works partially, remotely. Right. So they can see that, right? Like and then they also get to see their mom build this like totally other kind of business, right. That is like probably a little more tangible to them 'cause they get to see the work.
[00:15:15] Right. Which is really cool. Like, I think that's it. How do you talk to your kids about work? Like when you go to do work, like when your mommy has to work, like we're doing other things, like how do you navigate, this is really selfish 'cause I haven't figured this out yet, so I wanna know how you do
[00:15:29] it 'cause
[00:15:30] Paula Wise: really hard and like there, I mean, I unfortunately, even though it's 2026, like there still is that stigma, like the difference between a working mom and a working dad. Um, and it's tough. I mean, I think, so I would say for starters, I do love that my daughter sees her mother working and it sees her mom building her own company and can do it all.
[00:15:51] you know, I think that's, it's just cool for my daughter to be a part of it and kind of just see that I'm following my passion, I'm doing what I love. there are times [00:16:00] where it's really hard because I'll be, I'll have to do stuff and my daughter will be like, come cuddle with me. Or, you know, you are, you're always working on sample it and it's just like, you know, then the mom guilt creeps in, you know, and so what I end up saying to my kids in those times is like,
[00:16:17] we wanna be able to do fun things. We wanna be able to go do sports, we wanna be able to go, on vacations like, mommy has to work too. And, um, and then I always am saying like, do you wanna come help me?
[00:16:28] I would love for you to help me. or I'll say, gimme 10 minutes to finish this, and then we'll go play a board game. Or, you know, I actually learned this from another, like, parenting influencer. It was like, do you need me to fill you up?
[00:16:40] So sometimes like when my kids, I feel like they're lurking around me a lot. Like, they're like in my office and they're just like, lurking. I'm like, and I feel like they just need attention. and I'm trying to get it done. So I'll say like, let me fill you up. And so I'll just give them like giant hugs.
[00:16:54] I'll have 'em sit on my lap for a few minutes,
[00:16:55] Shannon Curran: like, and then they feel good, like to kind of go off and do their thing for a while. [00:17:00] I think it's just like being in touch, being like in touch with what you think they need in that moment. You know, sometimes it's really just like they need a moment of attention.
[00:17:08] Paula Wise: And so I, there's always, you know, I can always pause and give my kids attention. but I think, you know, it's tough. I feel like sometimes also I have to travel and it's way worse when I travel. Like, they don't even notice when my husband travels, it's like they don't
[00:17:22] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:17:23] Paula Wise: like at all. But when I travel, it's like it's, you know, the end.
[00:17:28] Mallory Lee: Batten down the hatches.
[00:17:31] Paula Wise: So it's, you know, I have the mom guilt, but I also feel like I'm teaching my kids valuable lessons. and them seeing that they have a working parent and I'm, I'm, you know, it fulfills me. It makes me happy. It's, I'm following my passion. So I think those are also important lessons. I try to talk myself outta the mom.
[00:17:47] Guilt.
[00:17:48] Shannon Curran: It's hard.
[00:17:48] It's really hard. Let me fill you up. That is the
[00:17:51] Paula Wise: Yeah, it works. It works.
[00:17:53] Mallory Lee: Yeah. I do the same thing. I just invite them in to like, come and have a quick little cuddle, and then they leave again. But [00:18:00] I just love the term that you've put around
[00:18:02] Paula Wise: Yeah.
[00:18:03] Mallory Lee: That's a marketer.
[00:18:04] Paula Wise: like they have a radar, like when I need to do something or I'm busy, like they immediately flock to me like it's,
[00:18:11] Shannon Curran: Oh yeah.
[00:18:12] Paula Wise: they have a special radar.
[00:18:14] Shannon Curran: It's funny. I actually go to, um, I go to Casa Day Nana on Thursdays where my mom watches my daughter, but I go there 'cause my daughter's still nursing and it's just easier. And my mom also watches my niece, my three-year-old niece, my brother's daughter. And it's funny, the second my mom goes to put my daughter down for a nap, my niece has 17 emergencies.
[00:18:33] It's like she has to come in and ask me
[00:18:35] Paula Wise: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:36] Shannon Curran: like, I'm like, hold, she's like my mom. My mom will be like, alright, so I'm putting the baby down. Like, unless if you really need something, auntie's in the other room on a call, but like, really don't bother her unless you have to. And of course, like six times in the first five minutes.
[00:18:52] Paula Wise: I'll be like in my office doing something, finishing something, and my kids will come in and be like, can I have dinner? And I literally hear Greg [00:19:00] in the kitchen being like, guys, I'm in the kitchen. Like, like they don't even see him. You know? He is like, it's not like he's not trying to help. He is just like, guys, I'm here too.
[00:19:10] I live here too.
[00:19:13] Shannon Curran: like, I'm literally over your dinner, like I'm holding your dinner. Like there's no.
[00:19:17] Paula Wise: but it is just, you know.
[00:19:18] Mallory Lee: oh, that's great. I experience the opposite of that sometimes because there are certain things the boys just want to go to Dad for and they might want help with something, or they wanna talk about, I don't know, just anything that's random. And I'm like, oh, what is it? Because they'll say, where's Daddy?
[00:19:35] I need help. And I'll say, well, what do you want help with? I can help you. And they're like, no. This is, I need daddy for this. I'm like, okay.
[00:19:42] Paula Wise: I would be thrilled if my
[00:19:43] Mallory Lee: Off the hook I offered.
[00:19:45] Paula Wise: I'd be thrilled. But I feel like, you know. one of the things I'm really trying to work on is just being present when I am with my kids. So I think it's hard because, you know, as an entrepreneur, [00:20:00] like with my own company, I'm doing all of it. So I don't have any employees.
[00:20:04] I'm doing the marketing, I'm doing the product development, I'm doing the sales. So like anytime I feel like I have a minute, I'm like, on my phone, like trying to do something, but I realize, you know, it's not the time. I can't do that when I'm watching my kids skate or when I'm, you know, watching a game or like with them.
[00:20:22] So, and I get called out with my kid or I'm sitting on the couch with 'em watching a movie. Like they'll mom put your phone away. And once they say that, it's like, oh, like, I, like, it just feels like it crushes my soul. Like I didn't even realize I was doing that. So I'm, that's another thing that's really challenging.
[00:20:37] Like you have to just compartmentalize as much as you can, be like in mom mode when I'm in mom mode and be in work mode. When I'm in work mode and try as best I can. It's hard.
[00:20:47] Shannon Curran: It is
[00:20:47] so hard.
[00:20:48] I am navigating this a lot right now where I said to my husband the other day, like, I work fully remote and I tr I like, don't I only take meetings between 10 and three [00:21:00] and I do all this, like I've created a lot of structures, but I've am working from my phone a lot. and I'm grappling with myself of like, is it better that I'm there with them
[00:21:10] Paula Wise: Yeah.
[00:21:11] Shannon Curran: even though I have to be on my phone?
[00:21:12] Or would it be better if they, I wasn't there at all. Like I don't really know the answer like I am. And it's funny, my husband was like, I think the fact that you care so much. Like, a huge part of it
[00:21:23] Mallory Lee: That's enough.
[00:21:24] Shannon Curran: I that. I was like, oh, okay. I know. I'm like gonna tear up. I'm struggling with this right now.
[00:21:29] and I think there's my 2-year-old for the first time did say Mommy off that phone.
[00:21:35] And
[00:21:35] I
[00:21:35] Mallory Lee: oh
[00:21:36] Shannon Curran: oh God. And then I saw him the other day, he pulled out his like, fake laptop and he was like, I gotta finish this. I'm mommy, I gotta finish this. And I was like, oh God. I was like, is that good or bad?
[00:21:47] I don't know. I, you know, I'm trying to like actually be more curious with myself about it, because I don't turn my mom brain off when I work. Like I'm thinking about my kids all day. So it's really hard to then turn my work brain off when I'm momming. [00:22:00] Right. Like, so I'm trying to figure this out too, Paula.
[00:22:01] Like, I don't have a good answer either.
[00:22:03] Paula Wise: Yeah, it's hard.
[00:22:04] Shannon Curran: like, it's really hard. I don't have a good answer on this one.
[00:22:08] Paula Wise: sometimes I just, like, if I really have to be on my phone, sometimes I'll tell my kids exactly what I'm doing. Like, just so that they know. Like, I feel like sometimes like them, just like seeing you going like this and not knowing what you're doing is like, frustrating. So I'll just be like, oh, I just had somebody buy a box and I'm just emailing them, asking them a question.
[00:22:25] You know, I'll try and tell them what I'm doing. but yeah, it's just tough. And I think, like, especially now, like we do everything on our phone from work to buying groceries, so it's like to talking to friends, so. It's hard for them to understand that like, there might be a moment that you actually are working, you're not just like sitting there, you know, being silly on your phone.
[00:22:48] But, I don't know. My 9-year-old is just, he's he doesn't let me get away with anything, you know, he's like very aware of everything and, you know, he, so I [00:23:00] just, it almost feels like it's getting worse as they get older. 'cause they're like, mom, put
[00:23:04] Shannon Curran: that sense.
[00:23:05] Paula Wise: Yeah. 'cause they understand more. They're like, I see you,
[00:23:09] Yeah. So I'm really, really trying to work on that.
[00:23:12] It's hard, but yeah.
[00:23:14] Mallory Lee: I think the only thing that has helped us is that if I need to be working during some kind of family time or. Time that I'm one-on-one with them. I just try to be like physically very close to them. So I'll work on my laptop, but like, they'll be on my lap. I'm like, here, just come sit with me. I do have to work, but like, Hey, come sit on my lap.
[00:23:38] And so
[00:23:38] Shannon Curran: Mm.
[00:23:39] Mallory Lee: I think that helps sometimes. but mine are also at the age where they call us out. They're like, put your phone away. It's movie night. You know? put your laptop away, mommy. And so I try to emphasize the fact that, you know, we like finish our work so that we can then go play. And [00:24:00] sometimes that helps and sometimes it doesn't.
[00:24:02] It's just kind of
[00:24:03] Paula Wise: Yeah.
[00:24:04] I
[00:24:04] Mallory Lee: never the same answer twice, I feel.
[00:24:07] Paula Wise: I think like, I like in that sense, again, like I'm lucky that some of my work doesn't involve being on a computer. Like I can, I, a lot of the time I'll say, guys, I'm going downstairs to make boxes. Do you want to come down? And so like, they'll play while I'm doing that. But then the problem is like, they'll be like, mom, watch this, mom watch this, mom watch me do this.
[00:24:23] Mom watch this, mom, watch this. I'm trying to make boxes. And I'm just like, like, watch. It is just
[00:24:29] Shannon Curran: someone ends up with like double the snacks. 'cause
[00:24:31] Paula Wise: exactly. It's like you can't win. Like
[00:24:34] if
[00:24:34] Mallory Lee: was gonna say that.
[00:24:35] Paula Wise: physically there, they just want all of my attention. So, as you said earlier, like sometimes maybe it's better for them not, you know, to not be there, but it's just tough.
[00:24:46] Shannon Curran: It
[00:24:47] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:24:47] Shannon Curran: I, yeah, I think it's most important too, just to see that you're trying, right? Like, that's what I try and tell myself all the time is like, just be honest with them to be like, I'm a human for the first time too. I've never been a mom to a 9-year-old. I've never been a mom to a two [00:25:00] and three quarters year old.
[00:25:01] You know? Like, I am also trying to figure this out. Right. And I think there's, I just try and always have that in the back of my mind of like, the more they see you trying new things and trying to get better, the more they'll be okay with doing it too. Like, I don't do everything perfect, right?
[00:25:14] Like, just like you don't, right. Like you. And so we're all just trying our best. But it is also hard for me too. I'm so like, like an epic multitasker. So I just really struggle to do one thing at a time. And
[00:25:26] Paula Wise: Oh my God.
[00:25:27] Shannon Curran: It's like a very, and parenting does, I think we have in our minds that you have to be a hundred percent focused on what's happening.
[00:25:34] But like sometimes my kid is fine, they're just sitting in front of me playing and like I can do other things, but sometimes it's not. And I haven't quite figured out when the right time is to multitask and when it's not. I
[00:25:44] haven't out yet.
[00:25:45] Paula Wise: not to 'cause there's too much to do in a day. Like, like you, like, like I'm like, okay, I have to build a box, but shit, I have to get my kid more pajamas and like, oh, I gotta sign him up for baseball and then I gotta book
[00:25:56] my daughter's birthday party. And there's just, [00:26:00] there's too much to do. It's impossible.
[00:26:02] Mallory Lee: And in the same way I am ordering groceries. If there's a meeting that I don't need to really participate in, I'm just listening at work, I will take that time to build a grocery cart because you have to multitask to get everything fit in, for sure.
[00:26:18] Paula Wise: sometimes I try and strategize my day where it's like, I think. What can I do at nighttime when they're home, that I can do when they're home? Like, I can
[00:26:29] the dishwasher or I can go make boxes. Like I, I try and do during the day when they're at school, things that I can't necessarily do when they're home.
[00:26:39] I was thinking this week I was in office for like eight hours, which is very unusual for me. When I go into, into any clients. I usually go for like two or three hours. and my daughter's still exclusively breastfed. So there was like a few layers of, uh, of stress that it was involved with this.
[00:26:55] Shannon Curran: and she doesn't take a bottle. She doesn't take a bottle, so that's irrelevant. Uh, it's not like I could pump or anything, [00:27:00] so I. I was like, you know what though? She's been doing really good. She's like eating solids all day long. She should be fine. Like I usually go seven, eight hours. She should be okay.
[00:27:08] So once I got there, it was amazing to just work for eight hours.
[00:27:14] Paula Wise: yes,
[00:27:15] Shannon Curran: And I know you and I have talked about this before, 'cause Paul, you went to, it was at Expo West that you went to.
[00:27:20] Yes. And this idea that even when you work from home, people think it's such a luxury. And to be honest, there's a lot of privilege that comes with being able to work remotely.
[00:27:28] But all I think about all day, so I'm walking through the kitchen upstairs to go to the bathroom and I'm like, fuck, I gotta empty the dishwasher. I gotta do those dishes. I gotta move that thing. I have to do that thing. And I was in the office. I couldn't think about any of those things. Like I couldn't, 'cause I couldn't do anything about them.
[00:27:42] Right. And so,
[00:27:43] Mallory Lee: You're not staring
[00:27:43] Shannon Curran: felt like I was on vacation. Like I actually felt like I was on and. It was crazy. And I, Paula, I'd love to hear a little bit about this trip that
[00:27:51] Paula Wise: Yeah. '
[00:27:52] Shannon Curran: cause the last time you and I talked, you had just gotten back. You were on this like high right, of like going on this trip and like by yourself, right?
[00:27:59] And with your [00:28:00] brand and like how, I would love to hear a little bit about that experience and did you think about, what did you think about before you left too? Was it stressful to leave? Like, was that hard? And then when you got there, how was it?
[00:28:10] Paula Wise: Yeah. when you are working from home too. Like, I don't do a good job in like, getting up in the morning and like getting dressed and making it look like I'm having a day, like I'm in my sweatpants all day.
[00:28:19] So, you know, it, you know, when you're working from home and you're kind of just like in your sweats, you just don't feel like a real human. But when I'm able to go and, you know, go on a work trip and I'm just by myself and I'm just taking care of me and I don't have to worry about, you know, what meal I'm feeding my kids or I don't have to stop at any point.
[00:28:37] It's such a great feeling like just being able to put my like professional hat on and just be like, professional Paula. so the trip that I went on, it's called Expo West. It's like the Super Bowl of Better For You brands, where every brand comes and kind of just showcases like, you know, their products and what they have that's like new coming out.
[00:28:55] And so, like, this was my first, I've always wanted to go to this and last year I said to myself like, my [00:29:00] goal is to launch, sample it so I can go to Expo West. and so this was really my way of going and networking and finding different, better for you brands and meeting people and just seeing like what would be some good options for the box.
[00:29:11] But it was in California. I literally worked the entire time on the plane, um, which was like a five or six hour
[00:29:19] flight.
[00:29:20] Shannon Curran: Amazing. Probably more work than you've gotten done in three weeks.
[00:29:23] Paula Wise: I felt like I've never felt more accomplished in my entire life. I was like, I, I, I just work the entire plane ride. And again, I love what I do, so it doesn't feel like I'm working. Like I'm literally just
[00:29:34] so much done.
[00:29:35] I'm, you know, and then. You know, I get to the hotel, it's just like, I don't know, it's like sad, but like, as a mom, like, I like love being by myself. Like I just love being by myself and just having silence and, you know, just being in the hotel by myself and like, all I have to worry about is like prepping for my next day.
[00:29:54] And then I get up and I get ready and I just, it just, it was so nice having those few [00:30:00] days by myself, like just doing my thing, you know? And I luckily, I have a partner and husband who's totally capable and he's such a good dad and I never have to worry, you know, about, you know, except my kids always tell on him like, daddy, let me eat this.
[00:30:15] Or
[00:30:17] Shannon Curran: So he is actually the one that has to
[00:30:19] Paula Wise: yeah. Like I can't even get mad at him that he took them to McDonald's. 'cause I'm like, he's just surviving. It's fine. but yeah, so I'm lucky to have that. And yeah, I just think like for this particular trip. I wasn't, I didn't necessarily have like major mom guilt going away because one, I told my kids I was gonna bring them back a ton of snacks.
[00:30:39] So that really helped. I'm like, guys, I'm bringing back a suitcase full of snacks, so, and I'm going for work. I do feel mom guilt sometimes if I'm like going on like a girl's trip or like, I'm fine once I get there. But like, it's so much work to even go away.
[00:30:54] Like making sure the entire house is stacked with food and like all I write down all of their schedules. Like [00:31:00] I know once I'm gone and I have everything set, everything will be fine, but like it's a lot of prep work to leave. I think this was just like, it's such a great feeling to kind of just like be back into your own self and feel like you're just you again.
[00:31:14] You know, not having to worry about anyone else.
[00:31:16] Mallory Lee: Yeah, probably such an amazing feeling to get home and be like, I love now spending time with my kids again. Right? Like that is like, both of those things are great. Yeah.
[00:31:24] Paula Wise: I'm someone who needs me. Like I need a refresher. I need every once in a while, like I need some alone time. I need to go away with my friends, or I need to go do, like I, I need that refresher for sure.
[00:31:34] Mallory Lee: Yeah. Yeah. It definitely helps you just like reset mentally a little bit. And I love work, travel. It's funny, I oftentimes at work, I'm. One of the only female execs, or I'm the only executive that's a mom, and it's a joke like, okay, where are we gonna go? Mallory needs to get away. Like, let's find a way to get together for [00:32:00] Mallory's sake.
[00:32:01] but the kids, they got pretty used to me having to travel for work and it was not that big of a deal. but recently when I went to Chicago with my friend Molly and I was traveling just for fun, that did not land very well. They were like, oh, are you going on a work trip? And I was honest. I was like, no, I'm just gonna go, you know, hang out with my friend Molly.
[00:32:25] And they're like, what? Why would you do that? And I'm like, well, because mommy has friends too. Like, I need to go and have some time with my friend. And they're like, no, you shouldn't do it. They like did not want me to go. And so that was pretty interesting. It was the first time I had done a trip like that.
[00:32:43] That they would be able to remember, you know, forever. And so the reaction was not great, but it is so fulfilling. It's like, I need a couple nights to not be a mom tonight. I need to be either just a friend tonight or just a professional tonight. And [00:33:00] I think that's, that's so important try to do.
[00:33:03] Paula Wise: most of my friends are working moms as well, and we have these conversations all the time of like the guilt, the, just the guilt feeling. But we always try and go back to like, what is the lesson in this? You know, the lesson is that, you know, we moms can have it all too.
[00:33:18] Shannon Curran: Like, we can have our friends, like we can, you know, work. I think it's important to kind of model that type of behavior. a few summers ago, I went to Italy with my mom and sister, which was the first time I was away for like eight days and that was really hard. Yeah.
[00:33:34] Paula Wise: but I, you know, the lesson there was like, how amazing that mommy can go on a trip with my mom and my sister.
[00:33:40] You know, memories forever. Like maybe one day we can do that. I think it makes the kids stronger, you know, having a mom can do things for herself as well.
[00:33:48] Mallory Lee: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:49] Shannon Curran: And I love this concept that we're trying to build resilience in our kids, right? Like, you're not necessarily trying to, I'm clearly a, student of the class of, uh, Dr. Becky, but like this idea that we're not [00:34:00] trying, we're not trying to make our kids happy all the time, right? Like that's, I think like over-indexing on their comfort, right?
[00:34:07] And instead it's, we're trying to build resilience and we're trying to build like skills, right? sometimes we don't, we have to do things we don't wanna do because we know that it's really important to do them for other reasons, right? And I'm glad that you're curious about what they are and I want to talk through that.
[00:34:22] when I came home on this week after that really long day, I left the dinner that we were at a little early. So like, I would make bedtime. I came home and it was just like the best, like I was like, they were so happy and silly. My husband did look a little ragged. I was like, oh, sorry buddy.
[00:34:36] Like two. I can't do it either. Right now our kids are at a really hard age where you cannot do bedtime With both of 'em alone, it's like really hard. A 2-year-old and a 10 month old, like they both need like, kind of a lot at bedtime. So it's like
[00:34:48] Mallory Lee: Mm-hmm.
[00:34:49] Shannon Curran: hard. So that's why I was like, I need to get home. To put one of them to bed.
[00:34:51] Like that feels like really
[00:34:53] important.
[00:34:54] came home from school, he was super sad. I wasn't in the house. Right. And like, we're just building some resilience in them that [00:35:00] like, things you expect are not always gonna be this the right way. It doesn't mean mommy's not coming back.
[00:35:04] She's always coming
[00:35:04] back.
[00:35:05] Paula Wise: what I always say
[00:35:05] Mallory Lee: yeah,
[00:35:06] Shannon Curran: looks different depending on the day. You.
[00:35:08] Paula Wise: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:35:11] Mallory Lee: I'm curious, I wanna do like a poll. this is probably a question that's like a better fit for you, Paula. So when you're gone on a trip of any kind, are you the facetimer? Do you like call and FaceTime and talk to the kids in the evening or do you cut it off?
[00:35:28] Paula Wise: Sometimes so like I don't go on a trip and like not talk to my kids at all the entire time, I don't make it like a religious, like we have to chat at this time every day. And a lot of the times, because my kids are older too, like they're seven and nine, like they know what they want.
[00:35:42] So like I can tell my kids like, you wanna call me? You can call me. Like, you can tell dad to call me. And so sometimes I do, and sometimes I'll check in with Greg and be like, how, what are the kids up to? Like, should I FaceTime? And he might be like, no, they're fine. Like, don't FaceTime. You know? So, I don't like to go away and like not communicate with my kids the entire time, [00:36:00] but, I also don't like to make it too much where it's like they, like, I like you said, like about building resilience, like it's okay to be home and mom not be there, you know, but they're older now, so it's a little bit easier, um, you know, to kind of like get a pulse on do they want to talk to me, do they not, you know, sometimes they don't even care.
[00:36:19] I think it actually might even be harder when they're really little. 'cause then they don't really understand. Like if I was FaceTiming a 3-year-old, they, it might make it worse. just depends
[00:36:27] Shannon Curran: confirm.
[00:36:28] Paula Wise: Yes. Okay. So Shannon,
[00:36:31] Mallory Lee: is it Uh, what's, so I always, I, it's selfish of me. Like I want to see
[00:36:38] Shannon Curran: them at least once a day. I also think they're at an age where they change so much day to day. Like it just feels like you're missing a lot if you miss. Days. You know, like, I don't know, I don't know how I'll feel when they're older, but I do like usually to do like at least once.
[00:36:52] it does at a random time. Usually it's like, Pete, whenever it works for you, like, I just wanna see your face. Like, and then also my husband's not a big texter [00:37:00] or a big communication, so I know I won't really hear much,
[00:37:02] uh, through so, so, which is good and bad, you know, I have friends that their husbands and them text all day long.
[00:37:08] I'm like, I can't relate to
[00:37:10] Paula Wise: No.
[00:37:10] Shannon Curran: I just
[00:37:10] It's like a 50 50 shot sometimes. It's like, oh mommy, look what we're doing. I'm so glad you're seeing it. and then sometimes it's like, where are you? You know? So, it's 50 50 I think. Mallory, what's yours? Like, what's your policy?
[00:37:24] Mallory Lee: Yeah. I used to attempt the FaceTime. I, there was one trip where I was in London. And I wanted to talk to them and see them. And they were both still pretty little. I don't know if we even had three yet. I think we just had two. And so we did the FaceTime. It was a disaster of like epic proportions. And I have like screenshots from the call of how upset they were.
[00:37:52] And literally since that day, there is no FaceTime when I'm out of town because it's just hard on [00:38:00] them. And sometimes I'll call Brian, I'll talk to them on speaker, they'll be like in the background and they'll say hi. or you know, I also have a 9-year-old son. He has an Apple watch. I can text with him Now.
[00:38:11] It's like, how are you doing? You know? so it's, it does change as they get older, but really ever since that first awful experience, we have like a no FaceTime policy. And one time I was on a work trip in Mexico and I was getting a
[00:38:28] FaceTime call
[00:38:29] Shannon Curran: Tough.
[00:38:30] Mallory Lee: I know, I know. It was one of those, like, Mallory needs to get away.
[00:38:35] Um, we,
[00:38:38] Shannon Curran: We're doing QBR in Cancun Mall needs to get away.
[00:38:43] Mallory Lee: well seriously shout out to Jesse. He was, the CRO at the business I was at the time, and he has a home in Mexico, and he was like, let's just all go. And I was like, this is the most amazing work trip I've ever been on. but Brian was FaceTiming me while I was there and I was like, [00:39:00] uhoh, this can't be good.
[00:39:01] You know, like, this doesn't, we don't do this. And so I answered it and Cohen is just like wailing in the background and his finger head got shut in a door and Brian wanted me to like look at it and weigh in, you know, like, should I take him to the urgent care? And it was another traumatic, like the FaceTime just does not go well if
[00:39:24] I'm gone.
[00:39:24] Shannon Curran: picture. Brian, Send a picture.
[00:39:28] Paula Wise:
[00:39:28] Shannon Curran: I love the idea of putting on a vacation responder
[00:39:31] Paula Wise: yeah. Out of office.
[00:39:32] Bye.
[00:39:33] Shannon Curran: come right now. I cannot weigh in right now. Leave a
[00:39:35] message. You know, there's, oh, I love it.
[00:39:38] Mallory Lee: I do have one last question for you, Paul. It's super timely because I'm on spring break with the family right now. obviously I'm like on PTO, right? And so I'm curious as someone with, you know, two busy, younger kids.
[00:39:54] You're a business owner. You said you don't have employees. what does time away look like for you? can you take a [00:40:00] vacation at this phase in life?
[00:40:02] Paula Wise: yes, we take vacation, we always go away for December vacation. I try and time things as much as best as I can. So like I have a specific, every quarter of the box goes out on the 7th of January, April, July, and October. So I try and like, not do too much around those times knowing how busy I'm gonna be.
[00:40:22] But yeah, we absolutely do vacations when we're home though. and we don't go away like in April, like I sign my kids up for things like an art class or they'll go to like a sports thing. Like, they're at the age now where like it doesn't work.
[00:40:35] We can't just hang out. they have to be doing something. and just like I know for myself, I need some time by myself. I need some time to work. I can't just like be with my kids 24 7 an entire week of vacation. Like that's just, I can't do it. like for April break the 20th, is my daughter's birthday, so I just won't do anything that day.
[00:40:52] We'll, you know, we'll do stuff and then Tuesday, Wednesday they're signed up for things and then I'm taking my daughter to New York Thursday to Saturday. So, of course, like always try and [00:41:00] bake in that vacation family time. I think that's really important. I just try and plan it as best I can around like knowing when the busy times are.
[00:41:07] Mallory Lee: Well, I am gonna jump in first with my save of the week because it's related to my vacation. so we're down in Florida and my save this week has absolutely been my husband. He's just the best in general. But also about a week ago I had like a minor surgery and so I'm on all these restrictions.
[00:41:27] I can't like lift, I can't get in the ocean. And he has just, I mean, he always steps up and like does all the boy dad things, but I feel like this week has just been really extra and he's just 100% like at the helm and I've been, you know, sitting around kind of lazy on the beach. So I am just super thankful for him.
[00:41:50] So he's my, my save this week
[00:41:52] Paula Wise: Do you wanna go next?
[00:41:54] Sure. yeah, I'd love to say snacks because, you know, snacks are always a good safe. But,
[00:41:58] I think one [00:42:00] silly one that is like, I'm sure a lot of moms can probably relate to this, so, because I have all these brands sending me boxes and boxes of snacks, I have all these boxes. So a lot of the times, like this week, like when my kids get home from school and, you know, they're like lurking around me, I'll be like, here's a big box.
[00:42:20] And they like, will go to town. Like they, like for some reason these big empty boxes, they just go to town creating things. Um, you know, I can buy all the toys in the world, but they, you know, when you give them an empty box, it's like the best thing on the planet. So I think like being able to have all of these like empty boxes this week has been, like a, a saver in like my kids just finding themselves being, you know, do be entertained.
[00:42:45] Shannon Curran: It's so good.
[00:42:46] Mallory Lee: I love that.
[00:42:48] Shannon Curran: I, this is a tough one this week. I don't know guys, I need to be saved. I think there's a little bit of a, but I, I will say we're going through a sleep situation in our house [00:43:00] that is causing for the fact that I can't, I used to rely a lot on the few hours after my kids went to bed to do a lot.
[00:43:06] and we're struggling with the little one right now where she like isn't really going to bed alone, so it's like causing a lot of stress. But on Sunday she did for a few hours go down and I turned into like the Tasmanian Devil. I was like, this is gonna be the most productive two hours of my life.
[00:43:25] Like I. I went through the cabinet. That has, if you are a parent, you know, the sprawl that is, the cups, like if you like, especially when they first start drinking out of a cup, you buy every version of a
[00:43:36] Paula Wise: Yes. Yes.
[00:43:37] Mallory Lee: Mm-hmm.
[00:43:38] Shannon Curran: that exists. Every, and my daughter, I think I've said this earlier, has never taken a bottle.
[00:43:42] So we've been on a cup journey, right? Like, so we've been trying to get her to drink from a cup since she was like five months old. So, and now she drinks from my freaking Stanley. She doesn't care. Like that's the one she prefers. You know, like, I'm like, okay, well, so I finally, like, I got up on a stool and just took everything outta that cabinet.
[00:43:59] And I [00:44:00] have like four or five friends that just found out they're pregnant and recently, and either with their second or their first, and I now have five boxes in front of me. I'm looking at them that are all like different, uh. D stuff. Like, it, it, most of it's clothing of different seasons, like different like gender, like, you know, and I put like four cups in every box and I was like, you guys could take these cups because I can't wait to get rid of them.
[00:44:26] And they're not even used, like none of them are used. I thought about all the money that I spent on Bo a bottle, specifically when a dog, my kid never took a single one. I'm like, oh
[00:44:35] God, but you can't return 'em. So I'm like, all right, here we go. So I think my save of the week was those two hours, where I was able to like, just put my head to, I put my headphones in, I start, I was, I'm listening to an audio book.
[00:44:47] I was like just in it. And now
[00:44:49] Paula Wise: also like the best feeling, cleaning things out. Like I've been going through a spring cleaning phase right now, and it's the best feeling like just throwing things out. so [00:45:00] I relate to that.
[00:45:02] Shannon Curran: husband was like, be careful. Don't put anything in front of her. Like it's gonna get
[00:45:05] into in the trash
[00:45:09] Mallory Lee: My family knows anything that's on the island will not, will not
[00:45:13] Paula Wise: we have this drawer now. Like my kids now come home with a hundred things every day, and it's like it goes in the drawer. If they don't ask for it within 48 hours, it's gone.
[00:45:23] Mallory Lee: yeah,
[00:45:24] Shannon Curran: the disappearing drawer.
[00:45:25] That's good.
[00:45:27] Mallory Lee: I like that. I'm laughing because I feel like Shannon, you've made your own sample at Box of Cups
[00:45:34] Paula Wise: Yeah, exactly. That's so true.
[00:45:38] Shannon Curran: Anyone wanna try a nook? Do you wanna try the first sipper? Do you wanna try this other? I really did. So, yeah, if anyone wants cup recommendations, I've tried every
[00:45:48] single one. Um, I could tell you pros and cons of cleaning them mostly. but yeah, there is, um, we're down to the two clips that everyone uses and we're, I cannot simply [00:46:00] handle a single markup.
[00:46:01] I can't handle
[00:46:01] it.
[00:46:02] Paula Wise: had the Dr. Brown bottles, and I just remember like the clean, I just don't, I don't miss cleaning that stuff. Like too many parts. It's just
[00:46:12] Mallory Lee: all the
[00:46:13] Shannon Curran: And I'm still like on the verge of like, do I try and give her one? And I'm like, I think maybe, no, just so we never have to go
[00:46:20] through a again. Yeah, fine.
[00:46:23] She's, because it's going so well right now with her not sleeping. I'm like,
[00:46:28] Paula Wise: That's so hard.
[00:46:29] Shannon Curran: guys, I don't know. I don't know.
[00:46:31] Paula Wise: I
[00:46:31] Shannon Curran: We're
[00:46:31] doing our best, you
[00:46:32] Paula Wise: is going through a no sleep phase. I mean, it just, it goes like, you know, it's,
[00:46:36] Shannon Curran: Don't tell me that.
[00:46:37] Paula Wise: well, she is having nightmares, so it's different, but
[00:46:41] Mallory Lee: Oh, no. Oh, no.
[00:46:43] Paula Wise: she has nightmares,
[00:46:44] Shannon Curran: and she's like violent. Like she, we, she goes running down the hallway and just starts hitting Greg.
[00:46:50] Paula Wise: Or like the other day, Greg found her like, in my son's bed, just, you know, so it we're, she's like sleepwalking and having nightmares at the same time. [00:47:00] It's kind of scary.
[00:47:00] Shannon Curran: poor thing. Poor
[00:47:02] uh, in that.
[00:47:04] Paula Wise: Yeah.
[00:47:04] Mallory Lee:
[00:47:04] Shannon Curran: it has been so fabulous to get to talk to you. Thank you for coming on the show, and let people know where they can find you.
[00:47:11] Also, Paula's an excellent Instagram follow.
[00:47:13] You have to follow sample it on Instagram.
[00:47:15] Mallory Lee: Oh, okay.
[00:47:16] Shannon Curran: is fabulous. Uh, where can everybody find you? Where can they find sample it?
[00:47:20] Paula Wise: Yeah, so, um, my website, sample@box.com and that's where you can buy a box if you wanna try one. And my Instagram is at sample at box.
[00:47:28] Shannon Curran: Love Thanks for having me. This was so much fun.
[00:47:32] awesome. Bye gal.
[00:47:34] Paula Wise: Bye. Thank you.
[00:47:35] Mallory Lee: Thanks for listening to Full Stack Moms,
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[00:47:52] Paula Wise: sometimes Greg will FaceTime me, like, because they're having an argument and I'm like, why are you FaceTiming me? Like, I, I don't, I'm, I'm [00:48:00] out of office right now. Like.
[00:48:03] Mallory Lee: Can you just, uh,
[00:48:04] Shannon Curran: oh, oh.
[00:48:05] Paula Wise: You know, and I hear the kids battling it out and I'm ha, I'm supposed to intervene here. I'm like, bye. Like