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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So if you're like me, you're probably trying to figure out what the heck is going on in the world right now, especially with this battle for freedom, right, that we're all involved in. We sense it. We feel it.
Seth Holehouse:Our country, America, is center stage to this global tug of war of all these different factions trying to make a you know, uniting on the fact they wanna destroy America so they can bring in their own system. And life is crazy. Once you realize this is going on, your life's not the same. But it's really quite a quest to understand who's behind these forces and what the long term plans are. And it's something I focus a lot on this show because I think it's important to know our enemies.
Seth Holehouse:You know know yourself. Know your enemy. It's how you win. And so joining us today is my good friend Brian O'Shea, who's has an extensive background in military intelligence. So all kinds of he'll he'll get into that in the beginning of the show to help up, you know, kind of set the stage for discussion today.
Seth Holehouse:But I I just wanted to have a candid conversation of, like, what he makes of the overall global situation right now. We're piecing together Israel, the CCP, and the Southern Border, and these globalist organizations like the WEF and the UN and the WHO, etcetera. How do you make sense of all this? So he's gonna be sharing a lot of his thoughts, and we'll be diving into a lot more than that together. So, folks, please enjoy the interview with Brian O'Shea.
Seth Holehouse:Mister Brian O'Shea, it is a pleasure and always an honor and a lot of fun to have you on the show. So thank you for being back on with me today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me. It's been a while, but it's always fun for me too. It's good to see you, my friend.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. So as usual, there are so many different topics that we could cover, but I think that I always appreciate hearing your perspective because you have an intelligence background. You have, I I would say, a very strong understanding of geopolitics and the the threats of, you know, that America's facing.
Seth Holehouse:Right? You know, you're aware of our own leaders, our own deep state, the compromising of our own government, and what it's done to its you know, to us, you know, we the people, but you're also very aware of people like, you know, like the CCP and, you know, global communist groups, but also globalism. And so I think that it's just having a a candid conversation of looking at where America's at right now and what enemies we're up against would be really helpful. Because, you know, something I noticed that when in the past, I've covered a lot about the CCP over the over the years. And it was at one point, say a couple of years ago, much easier to talk about the CCP.
Seth Holehouse:But now, oftentimes, when I've done shows where I've mentioned them, people will tell me that, oh, CCP is a red herring. You're looking in the wrong places, and, you know, CCP is controlled by Europe, and, you know, and it's they are very quick to disregard the threat of the CCP and the threat of Russia. Right? Do they think that maybe, you know, because Putin is now this he's this Christian anti globalist that he's a good thing for America. And whereas my all of my research has shown me that he's not a friend of The United States.
Seth Holehouse:He he's a friend of his own country, and he's Putin has had to side with the CCP. He's kind of pushed into their arms by Biden through economic sanctions and through what's happened with the response to the war. And so I think it's just much more complex. And, anyway, I always appreciate your view, which I wanna get to. But before we jump into your perspective, just give people, like, a very quick, you know, elevator pitch resume of of your background, especially in working with intelligence and special forces to help people understand where you're coming from and where your perspective lies.
Speaker 2:Sure. Happy to. And and I feel your pain on that that, other thing you mentioned. I'm sure we'll get into that. So my name is Brian O'Shea.
Speaker 2:I entered the military right out of high school back in the early nineties and became an Arabic linguist, got to spend two wonderful years at Monterey, California. Also brought me into the military intelligence corps, where I did signals intelligence. I went into a special forces unit where I did pretty much any intelligence I needed. And I was active duty for eleven years, went all over the world, Middle East, North Africa was my first area of operations, And then I was in Southeast Asia. I got to see a big, big swatch of things.
Speaker 2:Also moved around every time I re enlisted to a different type or level of intelligence. I started like the one hundred and first airborne division, straight up tactical military intelligence. Then I was at SOCOM, then I was at INSCOM, which is like the strategic level assets for what I did. Then I was back at SOCOM except in a different AO or area of operations where I'm working on the ground with people in those countries and having counterparts that I was working with constantly, like in the Thai special forces out of The Philippines, that sort of thing. When I got out after nineeleven, and so I went to DC because I had a TSSCI clearance, all that experience.
Speaker 2:I used my time wisely and got a few degrees while I was in the military and started working as a contractor for one government agency up in Maryland and then didn't really like that too much. So after I elevated my clearance status, I went down to Northern Virginia where I worked at a intelligence agency down there, doing everything from counterterrorism, propaganda, mass global covert influence. Then I got out and I went into the only thing that I could transfer my skills to and that was something called competitive intelligence, where I was actually legally spying on companies for other companies or trade shows all over the world, China, India, Brazil. And so I got a really good sense of intel as it exists in a whole bunch of different environments at a whole bunch of different levels with a whole bunch of different motivations. I really I'm always learning, but you know, I've I've really spent my life trying to understand the entire intelligence world, both as a practitioner and as a veteran of that world.
Seth Holehouse:So it's kind of cool to think, like, oh, you know, the word spies, all this lure around it, you know, with whether it's James Bond or whatever. But I'm sure you you know, that a whole different episode we could be spending just going over the cool stories that you have and the different encounters that you had. And but I'm sure so what I've, you know, what I've taken from you, and you've got a podcast with my, you know, JJ Carroll, comes on a lot on the show. Mhmm. Brilliant guy.
Seth Holehouse:Understands the border very well. And your podcast is unrestricted invasion. Is that what it's that's right? Mhmm. And so and you guys have, I think, really helped shape a lot of the narrative that people are talking about now, especially as it relates to the southern border, to terror cells in our own country.
Seth Holehouse:And so I think that just looking at a snapshot of where we are right now. Right? So we're heading into the real election season. Right? We're we're months away from this.
Seth Holehouse:There the tensions are incredibly high. We're seeing a massive fracturing within the Democratic Party, which, you know, these things make me worried, because it's as as people get more desperate, they start losing control, their behavior becomes less predictable, more erratic, and and more threatening.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Seth Holehouse:And so when you take that step back and you look at the chessboard of the southern border, of the what's happening with the CCP, the threat of globalism, the the NGOs, the everything happening, What's your assessment? Like, what's your, you know, your your feeling of where the country's at right now, who's after us, and what might unfold? I know
Speaker 2:it's a little more of
Seth Holehouse:a broad question, but I just I like throwing that out there and seeing what you make of it and what comes to mind for you.
Speaker 2:Sure. And that's a that's a great question because I think that is really where everyone's trying to get. We talk about people having their opinions of it's these people. It's these people. And I say it's all of them.
Speaker 2:And so I was on Doctor. Drew a few weeks ago and I was explaining how there's echelons of greed. Okay? So echelons of greed are greed for money, greed for power, greed for land, agreed for world domination, what have you. So at the first echelon of greed, have, let's look at our own government, our own politicians.
Speaker 2:They want to stay in power. That's clear. They're really in it now because of the debate with us, I'd say not sleepy Joe Biden, but dude in a coma. And so when you look at that, they're really doubling down. Jailed Steve Bannon really for not responding to a subpoena for kind of a sham commission under executive privilege.
Speaker 2:We don't have to get into that, but you see they're the they, the people who want to stay in power, not just Democrats, but also RINOs and people are making good money off the things that Donald Trump would shut down. They're shutting up all the voices, they're moving fast. And so the immigration, the illegal immigration that's happening, that gives them it's almost like dumping a whole bunch of tools right at their disposal. I don't think they really have a great plan for how they're going to use it. Obviously, they're registering these people to vote right at the border, which is it's illegal.
Speaker 2:It's federally illegal for non citizen to vote. But they're doing that because they know that if the election goes through, it's hard to shut it down after it's been announced and everything like that. I think they're playing that game. So that's that first level, greed for power. And a lot of that shutting down of like not just MAGA, but really any dissenting voice, that's their goal.
Speaker 2:Now there's an invisible hand or kind of a visible hand guiding them saying that's a great idea. And that would be what I call the INTs or all of those with an .int in their website, W E F, WTO, WHO, what have you, the global community, the UN, the NATO, and they're saying that's a great idea. We're doing that too, you know, because their goal, the international's goal for lack of a better term is to have a global order where everyone's kind of like a seat at the table participant and they all meet and they say, yeah, our people are farming away. They're doing great. They're doing exactly what we say.
Speaker 2:They don't own anything, but they're happy. And they're like, this is just how we want it. That's their goal. Okay? Because Macron is a great example in France where he didn't like one election or didn't like which way it was going.
Speaker 2:He shuffled, he threw up the whole chessboard and said, let's do it this way. And that's level two, right? And America's like, yeah, we're doing what they like. Because there seems to be a pandering to the global elites by our own politicians, which really sickens me. Like Europe likes us, we're good.
Speaker 2:So the globalist, that global order is, I'd say that second level. Guiding all of that, I say is the Chinese Communist Party. Because even though China is considered a developing country by the WTO technically, which gives them all sorts of leeway to do whatever they want, they have the power. They have, and you've mentioned earlier, some people disagree or they think it's a red herring. Well, even if it is a red herring, that red herring's got 1,300,000,000 people or more or 1.8 I believe, and a massive army, and people are running to make alliances with China right now across all levels of this unrestricted warfare.
Speaker 2:You yourself covered this switch from the petrodollar to the petro yuan. And if people can't see that, it's like red herring all you want, but that red herring's got a brain and weapons and it can really lay a hurting on everyone. And if you really kind of zoom out that way or zoom ahead to 02/1949, which is the goal, the China rejuvenation, China dream, which is China's a global hegemon by 02/1949, everything they've done is in twenty to twenty five year increments, the Chinese Communist Party, the way they're doing this warfare. So why is that time piece? Why is that little chunk of time important?
Speaker 2:That's the average generation, twenty to twenty five years. So when I have reported on their work with Smithfield Pork and making protein dense, like DNA altered pork, and then setting those palettes aside for the Chinese soldiers and Lao Beijing gets the crap. Think about one generation eating pork, eating more beef, they've increased their imports of US beef by 25. The same time, NGOs where you can trace funding back to them, to the Chinese Communist Party, are telling Americans don't eat beef, eat bugs and grass, which will make us a carb or a non protein based diet, which we will physically be smaller over the course of a generation or two if if that's done. I feel I should pause and let you get a get a question in here because I I can run on all day about this.
Seth Holehouse:I think you and I both could. So there's lot of interesting points that you've made. And I I I think that the one conclusion that I've come to in trying to understand what we're up against is that it's so multifaceted, and it's so fractured. And I think that we have this once you start, you know, say someone, you know, goes down that the red pill journey. Right?
Seth Holehouse:And whether it was 09/11 or whatever whatever it was that made them think, hey, you know, something's really not right. You know, there's this idea that there's this pyramid of power, and that there's this tiny little group at the very, very top that just controls everything. And and maybe at one time it was like that, but my best analysis of it now is that there's multiple pyramids. At the very heart of our democracy lies a principle we hold sacred free speech. It's the cornerstone that supports every freedom we cherish.
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Seth Holehouse:And I think that when we especially, I think as the Americans, you look at Hollywood and how we frame things, we like simplifying it. Okay. That person's the villain. That guy's the hero. Like, we it's, you know, Edward Burnet has given two choices.
Seth Holehouse:It's black or white. Right? He's it's left or right. You know? And we're very, just simple in our views and thinking that, oh, okay.
Seth Holehouse:So it's just this exact enemy. Right? But I think that it's so complex, and that there's there's, like, multiple, multiple factions that are fighting for who gets to control the world. And, like, there's a mutual goal they all have to destroy America, which makes us feel like it's this unified enemy. But that's just because, you know, America's the big guy on the block that has be brought to its knees before Right.
Seth Holehouse:A global, you know, global structure can put put in place. But as to who runs that global structure, I think there's multiple vying parties for it. Mean, look at what's happening right now just with with the Democratic Party. Like, you can see that there's there's multiple factions in there that are arguing and fighting. Oh, yeah.
Seth Holehouse:And and so I think and even globally, the CCP, they're they're one of the factions. Right? And and so I I recently I'll I'll bring this up because I recently did a show walking through this, speech from general Qi Haoqian, and, I'll maybe I'll throw the link below. It's it was a it's a really important speech that was leaked by this, he was the defense minister in China, and sometime around like the turn of the century, you know, 1999, '2 thousand thousand '1. But I wanna highlight this one particular paragraph on here, which I think is it really gives a little bit of a window into the global power structure and the global power struggle.
Seth Holehouse:So in this speech, this is and again, this is a leaked speech that was passed in The Epoch Times published in 02/2005. He says Mhmm. If you get on the website using keywords to search, you will find out that a while ago, comrade He Shin pointed out to the Hong Kong business news during an interview that The US has a shocking conspiracy. According to what he had in hand, from September 27 to October 1, the Mikhail Gorbachev Foundation, funded by The US, gathered 500 of the world's most important statesmen, including economic leaders and scientists, including George W. Bush.
Seth Holehouse:This be you know, he was not the president at that time. You know, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, Brzezinski, George Soros, Bill Gates, John Nesbitt, etcetera, and all the world's most popular characters in the San Francisco hotel for a high level roundtable conference discussing problems about globalization and how to guide humanity to move forward in the twenty first century. According to what Hosheen had in hand, the outstanding people of the world in attendance through, thought that in the twenty first century, a mere 20% of the world's population will be sufficient to maintain the world's economy and prosperity. The other 80% or four fifths of the world population will be human gar human garbage, unable to produce new values. The people in attendance thought that this excess 80 population would be a trash population, and quote, high-tech means should be used to eliminate them gradually.
Seth Holehouse:So I mean, this is really, really interesting. I'll read just this next little bit right here. It says, since the enemies are secretly planning to eliminate our population, we certainly cannot be infinitely merciful and compassionate to them. And this whole this whole speech is all about basically why they're gearing up for war against America, and why they need to seize the land of America, Canada, Australia, and these these these, you know, food producing nations, and what's happening in their country. But to me, if you look at that, you look at that they had some sort of intelligence, that they got a information, and and you know how hard it is to get information out of these meetings, like Bilderberg.
Seth Holehouse:Like, good luck going to Bilderberg and and sneaking out information about what they're talking about there. So somehow, the CCP comrade, Yehushin, obtained information about that, where they revealed, you know, what a lot of us have been talking about, that there is this depopulation agenda, that they thought that, you know, only 20% of the, you know, of the Earth was really what was best suited for the resources, and that there were 80% need to be eliminated. But you can see though that the Chinese, though, their response was, especially at this level, high level in the CCP, it was, well, they're planning on eliminating us. Like, we're part of that 80% they wanna get rid of. The Chinese weren't sitting at that table.
Seth Holehouse:You don't see the Chinese sitting at the Bilderberg mission you know, meetings. So to me, this is such a good example that shows that there is a a massive rift. It's not that the CCP is just, you know, on a on a collar, you know, on dog leash doing whatever the globalists want them to do, that they have their own aspirations to rule the world, and they look at these Western people, even though that you see them shaking hands with Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates or whatever, I think they look at them thinking, okay. We're gonna use you until we no longer need you. They will line you up against a wall.
Seth Holehouse:But what are your what are your thoughts about all that?
Speaker 2:I believe it was the very first time I came on your show, I compared what you just said. I totally agree with you. I compared it with that scene from The Dark Knight Rises where the billionaire is yelling at Bane because he's had his truck working around the clock and on the stock exchange didn't work my friend. And he's like, You're out of control. He goes, You think you spent all that money and that gives you power over me?
Speaker 2:Bain's towering over him. And he said, You've been very useful. Then he snaps his neck. And at the end of the day and throughout history, history is always made by the conqueror. History is always made by the strong man, always.
Speaker 2:That hasn't changed. So I'm glad you read that because And when I hear that, I'm going into intel mode and I'm thinking, okay, who's the source? Is this guy making it up? We are focused on the Europeans? Who knows?
Speaker 2:And the remedy for that is always say to yourself, who cares? Because when we were trained to look at intelligence, we were never looking at the history of a country and the ancient partnership and this guy's sister slept with this guy's uncle, and this is how you got this family who controls us. No, we were looking at like, okay, what are our vulnerabilities? What's important to us? How do we defend those?
Speaker 2:Now let's put ourselves in the enemy's head and say, how would we get at those targets? And then you swim upstream, you do some backwards planning. And Look, I think strategic intelligence and history is extremely important for context, helps you with strategy and plan for the next thing, but we're in war right now. And I would push back and say, they're not gearing up for war, they're at war with us, the Chinese Communist Party. They're conducting unrestricted warfare probably since about 02/2003 or earlier.
Speaker 2:I think it's ramped up because I don't think Donald Trump was in that plan when he first got elected. That's kind of shook the board a little. As far as the, what you were talking about with the globalists and I mentioned it too about wanting to rule this and that. I see China playing this literally like not chess, but Go. So I'm sure you're familiar with the game of Go.
Speaker 2:And for those that don't know, it's very simple. Have a board, I forgot how many squares, and you take turns putting marbles on a board. Okay? Black marbles, white marbles. Your goal is to basically place your marble so you surround the other guy's marble and you can pull that marble off once it's completely surrounded.
Speaker 2:It can't escape. Thank you. Yeah, so you could see there like, if you look at the
Speaker 3:Trying to see which one
Speaker 2:is about to get surrounded. Yeah. Okay. So if you look at, for instance, the well, that's a really tough game.
Seth Holehouse:It is.
Speaker 2:I would say, okay. So right up there in the top left, you could see where the black marble could get taken off the board. Do you see that I'm talking about? It's Yeah. Second line down, second black marble from the left.
Speaker 2:So that white marble just has to place right below that black marble. That black marble is off the board. Now, other thing is that's great, but it's tedious if you have to go after one marble at a time. In the game, you can also surround a whole mass of marbles at once. And if you surround that whole thing, you pull them all off the board.
Speaker 2:So think about this in terms of strategy. I say this because every Chinese general for three thousand years has learned this game. I mean, these kids in China are playing this at three and four years old. And if you So right now, if you just attack one enemy at a time in your China, that's like surrounding that one marble. But what if you get a bunch of morons in really nice suits who kind of look at you as a provincial junior partner and convince them to get everyone all bunched together as some global order that you can then surround and take them all off the board at once.
Speaker 2:And that's how I see how China's playing this. As far as the encirclement goes, just kinetically and logistically, you can see that happening now in real time, like actually happening, not figuratively happening. Cuba, they built a base down there. They've pretty much taken over all of South America with the you know, we got them signed onto the Belt and Road. Canada's Justin Trudeau, you know, regularly sits on Xi's lap and, you know, has warm milk and cookies with him.
Speaker 2:They've been playing games up in the Alaska area with the Russians doing close flybys by our ships ever since Joe Biden's speech. And then even now currently, there's an ongoing joint military or counter terrorist exercise that was launched after Joe Biden's speech or debate between Belarus, China, and the Russians right on the Polish border, which to me is like, it's kind of sending a message to NATO, like, who's a junior partner now? They're moving fast, but if you look at the pattern of the movements, it's encircling, literally encircling The United States on multiple levels, economically, militarily, our fishing waters, everything, our allies. They've almost completely surrounded Taiwan since the debate, conducting more exercises, of course. And I think you mentioned something too about Australia is having a high time, and I know The Philippines right now are dealing with the nightmare that is the CCP trying to take over their territorial waters.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's how I look at it.
Seth Holehouse:What's it? So that game, I looked up really quickly. It's over 4,000 years old that they've been playing that Yeah. That Go game, which is funny because I remember, you know, in watching, there's a Three Kingdoms series. It's like maybe 80 different one hour episodes.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, it's it's a long long, thing that's done in Chinese, but it's it's really well done. Mhmm. But you see that throughout it. You see Cao Cao playing, you know, Go with his one of his sons or something, and it was, yeah. There's so much strategy in that.
Seth Holehouse:So one thing I'll I'll pull the speech back up, because it's a different paragraph I wanna hone it on with you to talk about. But one thing that he talks about in this speech is basically identifying how, they've mapped out how the Chinese population basically will start collapsing because because of pollution, drought, etcetera, their land isn't enough to produce the food they need for their population. And so that's why the whole thing is basically if the Chinese are gonna survive as a race, they need to conquer other continents. They they basically you know, which is this is a store this is the age old story. Right?
Seth Holehouse:This is, you know, risk. This is the, you the the the conquering of, you know, any country or basically, it's all about its land and resources. It's like, okay. We need more farmland, or we need, you know, to seize these other resources. And so he's talking about from that perspective, why they need America.
Seth Holehouse:And, you know, America, if you look at, you know, Peter Zihan in his book, The End of the World is Just the Beginning, which is an incredible, incredible book to understand, geopolitics, like better than I've ever ever come across a single book that can explain it, talks about why America is such a key continent in terms of our river systems, our ability to grow food, our climate, etcetera. And so in this speech though, this, defense minister general general Chi Haoqian is describing how they need to take America, but they need to do it. They can't just drop a nuke because nuke will then create a nuclear escalation, but also they can't do it in way that damages the land. Because if their goal is to seize America so they can grow food, they can't just drop nukes everywhere, and and then, you know, be left with a barren country. And so in that speech, he he specifically talks about how the the what they need to do is actually use biological weapons.
Seth Holehouse:Like, these biological warfare Mhmm. To kill between one and two hundred million Americans, which will then be enough that after they they wipe out that many Americans, they can bring their troops in and actually seize and take control of the country. But there's one paragraph I'm gonna read here in talking about the biological weapons that I wanna get your perspective on. So it says, of the research done on genetic weapons throughout the world, Israel is most advanced. Their genetic weapons are designed to target Arabs and protect the Israelis, but even they have not reached the stage of actual deployment.
Seth Holehouse:We have cooperated with Israel on some research. Perhaps we can introduce some of the technologies used to protect Israelis and remold these technologies to protect the yellow people. But their technologies are not mature yet, and it difficult for us to surpass them in a few years. It has to be about five or ten years before some breakthrough can be achieved in genetic weapons, And, you know, we can't afford to wait any longer, but obviously, speech could be heard by twenty years ago, at least. So I wanted to get your perspective, because in this, this defense minister, you know, very high level.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Defense minister general Chi Hung Chen or Chi Hao Chen is detailing how the CCP is working with Israel on the development of biological weapons. And so I wanted to see, because Israel's come up a lot, and and this isn't gonna be an episode where we're gonna be getting into the, you know, are you Israel or Palestine? Because I think that it's it's so complicated.
Speaker 3:You know?
Seth Holehouse:It's there's there's there's so much on both sides. It's like that the anyway, it's such a big discussion again to maybe a different show to get into that. But Sure. What I wanna understand is, because I remember shortly after the attack on October 7, I think I had you on, and we talked specifically about it being a false flag and about, you know, you saw in working intelligence. There's no way that these slow moving hang gliders could just, you know, kinda slowly come across the the the most guarded border.
Seth Holehouse:I think you made you made the analogy that if a cat crosses that border, it gets shot. Right? Like, not a cat can even get across, let alone all this. And there is, you know, I talked to General Flynn about it as well. I had him on a show, and he said, yeah.
Seth Holehouse:He's like, it's very obvious to him that it was allowed to happen. Right? Now we can speculate all kinds of reasons, but I wanted to see that in looking at this global chessboard, and we have
Speaker 2:Well, I I actually I I I didn't think it was allowed to happen. I think there was some sorry to cut you off.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, please do. No. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Please do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just my stance was okay. So I can get it. I'll make it really quick. Just
Seth Holehouse:No. Please do.
Speaker 2:No. My stance was that it was not allowed to happen. Think a lot of their cameras were made by Hickvision that guard the border, which is Chinese owned or Chinese funded. We you know, people are allowed to get in. Obviously, I'm sure there were some payoffs of key Israeli people to let that happen.
Speaker 2:Okay? I don't think universally it was allowed to happen. I don't think the Israeli government as a whole, including I really get the sense of Netanyahu, he kind of seems like he's been reacting ever since. So I just don't feel like they know, I don't know. So I don't think universally they allowed us to have.
Speaker 2:I'm sure a couple of traders allowed some stuff to happen, but you are right. I mean, it's a very heavily armed down to the individual and at least your country. Hack the cameras. The hang gliders coming in on the beach look. Mean, I was watching some of the videos, which are just tragic and that was a tough time.
Speaker 2:Mean, niece was calling me, her grandma's over there and so tougher for them over there obviously, but I could see myself partying on the beach and seeing 50 hang gliders and not thinking anything of it because I would never expect an attack from a hang glider. And I haven't checked yet, but if there's like a hang glider rental place over around that area, no one's gonna think otherwise. I mean, it's so that that one, that was pretty clever actually, and it'd be like attacking a downtown area with ice cream trucks. I mean, people would think it was odd, but they probably wouldn't react as if it was a threat. So, yeah, but I'll let you get back to your question.
Speaker 2:Sure. Too off track.
Seth Holehouse:Well, so yeah. So I wanted just to see from your perspective, what role you see the CCP having in The Middle East. Because I I think it's it's it's obviously, it's a key area in in in this process of trying to understand where America fits in to all of this. And we know that, you know, for many reasons, Israel is a global power center. Right?
Seth Holehouse:They have a lot of control over, you know, even over over The United States in many ways. And, you know, it's not the CCP also has a lot of control over The United States, and really, any powerful government that wants, you know, control wants to have some influence over America, you know, that there's a formula, right, that they can you know, whether it's, you know, kind of overt, you know, bribery and and, you know, campaign financing or more covert blackmail honeypot operations or Assad operations and whatnot. Okay. It's able to be done. But what what do you see as that?
Seth Holehouse:Like, what do you think the the CCP's role was in The Middle East and how that relates to what we've been talking about so far?
Speaker 2:In terms of October 7?
Seth Holehouse:Yes. Yep. And then kind of extrapolating from from from from there, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's there's a series of events that happened leading up to that. There were multiple meetings of, you know, Hamas and Hezbollah leaders with the Chinese Communist Party. It's on their state websites. They didn't hide it.
Speaker 2:Also, know China's relationship with Iran is kind of like Kiefer Sutherland's relationship with Jack Nicholson and A Few Good Men. Like Iran is their hardcore do anything type soldier type country. So they fund a lot of Iran, what Iran does, and then Iran turns around and funds Hezbollah. We unfortunately funded Iran too, right before that attack. Just always want people to remember we gave billions of dollars to Iran for a hostage exchange and said, this current government said, Oh, don't worry.
Speaker 2:It's in the Qatari banks. It can only be used for they promised us that Iran would only use it for farming and humanitarian causes. Mean, money is fungible. Do you even track that? Thank God, most Americans are not that stupid.
Speaker 2:But you know, that's a series of things that happened right before October 7. But the most important thing, in my opinion, that was happening were the peace talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel. And as late as September 28, it was announced and not refuted by Saudi, but it was announced by Israel that they were close to a peace deal. Now, why was that important? Why would China care?
Speaker 2:You would say because their oil prices aren't going to change. Well, here's why. Because once that peace deal went through, were the Middle East, partners of the Middle East, Europe, India, North America, they had something called the IMEC, which is the India, Middle East, European trade corridor, which would have competed directly with the Belt and Road Initiative. And with Saudi blessing peace with Israel and Israel being part of the IMEC, or allowing the IMEC, that's that route right to the Mediterranean. That's a key route, but IMEC also would have cut the belt and road out of the European market.
Speaker 2:It would have given the European market a choice rather than the belt and road. For those that don't know, this is the new Silk Road. It's really, that's what China calls it, but belt and road or one belt one road is these kind of trade financing partnerships with other countries and China. It really is, it's a kind of like a toxic financing type scheme where other countries' economies or infrastructures will mysteriously collapse. China swoops in and says, Don't worry, we'll rebuild it for you.
Speaker 2:You don't even have to pay us back. But there's some stipulations. You don't protect what we built, we might have to put some soldiers there to make sure it's safe. Oh, and by the way, if we need it, we might need you to do some production of our fossil fuels so we can basically tell the world that, look, China's not producing any emissions. We're very clean.
Speaker 2:Of course, they've all shorted all. Oh, we also might need you to, I don't know, set up a couple of our intercontinental nuclear ballistic missiles in your country just in case we need them. Why is that important? Think of the Cuban missile crisis on steroids. I give you the Belt and Road.
Speaker 2:What are my receipts? Congressional record. Palestine and Syria as of like 2022 currently have Chinese ICBMs that they are hosting in their countries. I don't know which other countries do. I'm not sure which way they're pointing, but I can guess.
Speaker 2:To the Belt and Road and the IMEC. So that was the twenty eighth Saudi, Israel, they're all happy this is going to happen. October 7 happens, everything's off the table. Okay? Why is Saudi important?
Speaker 2:Because no one makes a move in the Arabic speaking Middle East without Saudi approval. No TV show is approved, no periodical is approved, no business is approved. The crown prince literally sits on about 5,000 boards in The Middle East. Nothing happens in The Middle East without Saudi Arabia's approval. So with the peace deal smashed by October 7, Saudi's out, peace deals off the table, IMEC ground to a halt.
Speaker 2:Okay? Fast forward and China has been systematically making alliances with all those people that were in the IMEC, including, you may have seen the news lately, Saudi Arabia. That was how we got to the Petrofan from the dollar. And just as a reminder to the people, the Belt and Road is with the IMEC, Europe was kind of waiting. Okay, we're going to finally get out from under the yoke of trade with China.
Speaker 2:Well, that was off the table. All of a sudden, May 24, Spain announces that we see Palestine as a state. They never have. They've never even made rumblings about it. Well, May 14, they got billions of dollars from China for their Belt and Road Initiative in Spain, which is rebuilding all of their roads and railroad tracks.
Speaker 2:Funny the way that works. So with Israel out of the way, that gives the belt and road a clear path all the way through the Middle East to the Mediterranean up and around into Europe. Think of it like a vein just strangling the world. With Israel there, Israel, they may have dealt with them. I'm not saying they wouldn't.
Speaker 2:They have they've dealt with the Chinese many times. But you see they'd already invested so much time. The CCP had already invested so much time in all these negotiations with Hezbollah and Tomas. And it's, I don't know what was said at those meetings, but I'm sure something like, oh, yeah, just run that track right through the West Bank and Gaza. No problem.
Speaker 2:They don't want to redo all that because China knows if it takes too long to get these deals in place, there's going to be another Donald Trump in office who's going to make all of that shut down. So you see, I hope I was clear where you could see what their motivation would be. Some evidence that supports that would be obviously the timing, obviously the weapons that were found in the Chinese made tunnels under Gaza. And just the fact that they kind of cold relations with China during the really at the beginning of the pandemic, a very under scenes story that most people forget because I think only the National Enquirer reported on it was a Chinese diplomat found dead in his apartment in Israel right at the beginning of the pandemic. And I checked it.
Speaker 2:It was real. It really happened. But with Israel out of the way, it makes it really, really easy for that Belt and Road to pretty much get a stranglehold on the whole Middle East.
Seth Holehouse:I see. So that okay. Because obviously, as you mentioned in the introduction, you spent a lot of time in The Middle East, and you speak Arabic. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:Nah.
Seth Holehouse:Okay. Khalilan. So that's okay. So understand that that's helpful because I'm constantly trying to understand this this big geopolitics, you know, chessboard, and and it really isn't easy. But it doesn't make sense that the chess moves of what's happening in The Middle East, especially as it relates to Belt and Road, which, you know, I I I describe more as the it's like the economic hitman model two point o.
Seth Holehouse:Right? It's John Perkins two point o, what he did with his Mm-mm. You know, toxic financing, and and debt slavery that The US has used to seize control. And so now let's kind of go from that to pivot. So we have The Middle East.
Seth Holehouse:We know that a lot of the terrorist groups in The Middle East have been funded throughout the age. You know, KGB was that had heavily funded and trained a lot of the, radical groups. Like, why do you think it's the AK 47 that we always see, you know, being carried across the Middle East? Right? Like, that's it's it's the iconic Russian gun.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So I knew that the KGB was behind a lot of the terrorist cells there. I know China is also
Speaker 2:a good sturdy weapon.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. I'm sure you would know. Yeah. You can get sand in it. Doesn't really matter what, you know, what what what can happen.
Seth Holehouse:So with China, though so so China, I also know that one of their big strategies is funding terrorism, right, and funding these terrorist groups. But then if we if we then pivot into the southern border where we've got terrorists coming from Middle Eastern countries, we have obviously, we have criminals and and and various probably more terrorists coming across from South America. Right? Not not all of them. Of course, there's are there you know, you have your innocence is coming to America, but there's a large portion of them that are military aged men and that, know, I think are coming out of the prison systems, etcetera, in South America.
Seth Holehouse:We have the cartels as well, which I know the cartels are heavily tied in and heavily funded by the CCP. And and then, obviously, you have all the Chinese soldiers coming across the border. So how do you so looking at this this conversation thus far and painting this this picture of what's happening, Middle East, China, etcetera, how do you then tie that into what you see happening on the Southern border? Is like, what's what's the reality of what's happening? Is it just flooding more immigrants in for votes, or is there something much bigger that's happening with it?
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Speaker 2:Great question. And so like I said earlier, with you gotta look at it in echelons, depends on who we're talking about. We're talking about, you know, professors like Ocasio Cortez, it's about the votes. Okay? It's about the votes.
Speaker 2:If you're talking about my neighbors across the street who only read the New York Times, it's about making a better life for people. In reality, it's about the votes here for the world economic forum, the INTs as I call them. It's about global cheap minimum wage. They actually cheered about that in the financial times, the IMF did about six weeks ago. Super happy that global migration has brought global minimum wage down even further, so cheap workforce globally.
Speaker 2:But yes, when it comes to China, their involvement, you're spot on cartels with the fentanyl trade is huge, but also the human smuggling is huge, huge, and it's huge for China. Why? Because they have a huge human smuggling industry, but they also have a huge human organ industry, which is massive. And how's that tie in with Saudi Arabia or The Middle East? Well, I've been to, there's, I can never pronounce it.
Speaker 2:I believe you speak a little Chinese, so maybe you could help me. It's Tangshan Hospital. It's the big organ hospital. I've been there and they have the express organ courier lanes at the airport. Now remember, China's an atheist country.
Speaker 2:They're officially an atheist country. But if you go to these organ, these massive organ transplant centers, they do have mosques in the hospital and they do have Arabic writing. Which would explain why if, let's say the first world of the Middle East, richer countries, if that is their biggest customer for organ transplants, makes sense why Saudi's never spoken out against the Uighur, what's happening with the Uighurs and the human rights abuses against them. Have you ever seen I mean, stop me if I'm wrong, but I can't recall any of the key Middle Eastern countries saying anything about the plight of the Uighurs.
Seth Holehouse:Well, what's interesting is I interviewed this guy, his name was in I think Invertota. I think if I forget his exact name, this is maybe two and a half, maybe even three years ago. He was a Chinese surgeon that
Speaker 3:I
Seth Holehouse:think maybe also in the military, he's a military surgeon, I forget exactly, but he defected. He he fled China. And last I talked to him, he was an Uber driver in, like, The UK. But what he what he said on the show, which is, like, mind blowing to me, is he was talking about the Uighurs in Xinjiang, right, which is a very heavy Muslim population. And what he said was that the reason why the Uighurs were so valuable to the CCP is because they were all kosher organs.
Seth Holehouse:And he said that for
Speaker 2:Halal Halal.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, sorry. Not kosher. Halal. Right? Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:I think I I mixed up my yeah. So sorry. Not not kosher. Sorry for the the the Jewish crowd there. But, yeah, Halal.
Seth Holehouse:Right? That they were basically that that these were all organs that fit their standard of, you know, non pork diet or, you know, whatever it was that the specifications. And so he said, yeah, that there's a massive organ trade between the wealthy Middle Easterners and the the Uighurs. Right? You know, because there's there's a huge Muslim population in Xinjiang region.
Speaker 2:I think that guy was reading my tweets, man.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, but his his story was crazy. I mean, he was describing Yeah. When like, the first time that he was he was forced to perform a live organ harvest, and that was what broke him. Right? Is that he was when he was literally in the act of removing this guy's organs, and this guy was a Falun Gong practitioner that he was operating on.
Seth Holehouse:And that what they did is that they they basically they took him and like maybe maybe like 10 of them or so of these different surgeons, and they took them out for an execution, and they took them, you know, deep into the mountains. And it was kinda like, okay. What's this is strange. They lined them up. They had all other tools.
Seth Holehouse:They lined up 10 prisoners. Each of them had a prisoner that was assigned to them, but the prisoners were executed in a way that they weren't fatal fatal shots. They were stun shots. And so once they fired, his they all the surgeons had to go and basically get all the organs out before the heart stopped beating. And so he described, like, basically
Speaker 2:I gotta I gotta hear this this conversation.
Seth Holehouse:Wow. I'll I'll find it and send it to you. It was one of the earlier interviews I I did on the show, and he described basically that process of, like, cutting up this guy and and then and then seeing that the guy's heart was still pumping blood, that the guy was still alive. And that's a it's a very common thing that they do in China. They they even have these these vans, these organ transplant vans that if there's an emergency Mhmm.
Seth Holehouse:Quickly, they'll do it while they're driving, but they're mobile execution vans because that's how they execute the prisoners. And most of them are actually the Falun Gong because the Falun Gong don't drink alcohol. Right? They don't smoke cigarettes, so they're actually Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's another thing. I was gonna say that.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. So they they know that they're healthy, and so they have this huge database. And I spent a lot of a lot of my adult life doing a lot of human rights work tied specifically to organ harvesting in China, and got to meet a lot of people that came out of there. And, you know, they're like, yeah. It's like they went to prison for doing meditation, but like, why is it so they go to prison, they're having their blood drawn, and they're having tests done.
Seth Holehouse:Alright? They're getting put into a database, and so how it works is that some guy, say in a country that hasn't banned organ tourism, you know, so say some guy in, you know, you know, Kuwait, wherever it is, needs a new liver, they get it and say, you know, weak in China. What they don't realize is that they're looking at a lab a live database or finding the exact match for liver he needs, and they're taking that person, strapping them down, and the process of removing the organs is what executes them. And they cremate the body. They put it into a a box.
Seth Holehouse:They give it to the guy's family, and they say, here's your bill. Your husband committed suicide, and we cremated him. And here's your bill for his stay. Here's your bill for his crem his cremation. I mean, it's a multi billion dollar.
Speaker 2:Is where the my dad used to tell me when I was a kid, you know, probably wasn't appropriate to tell me as a kid, but he was telling me that in China, they would send them the bill for the bullet.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. They yeah. Yep. So that's what they do. They would literally yeah.
Seth Holehouse:That that it's absolutely true. Like, all that gets passed on. So these families, they would get this bill for cremation, for every every single part of the whole the whole process, even though I remember I did the calculations at one point. Think a single human body on the the black market over in it's not really a black market, they're state run, is worth upwards of like a half a million US dollars. If you price out heart, lungs, cornea, there was another doctor that defected, and actually started going mentally insane, that he came forth and admitted that he removed two thousand pairs of corneas from live people as part of his Good Lord.
Seth Holehouse:His his his job under the CCP. Well,
Speaker 2:and, you know, to and, you know, we've talked about this for a long time, and and I actually have made friends with Jennifer Zhang. He used to be at NTD. You know, we became good friends, and I I believe she was in one of these camps.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. She was in a prison camp over there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. And, I learned so much from her and it's horrifying. But, yeah, I wanna back up really quickly. You said something that really caught my attention.
Speaker 2:That's why I was typing. But you mentioned a catalog. There's an actual catalog for organs?
Seth Holehouse:Well, so there's a there's a website. So when they were so the Epoch Times, they broke the story on organ harvesting. And then there were Mhmm. These these two guys, David Kilgore and David Mattis, that put together this huge report on organ harvesting in in China. And part of what they were doing is and they they said
Speaker 2:the red I'm sorry. Was that the red harvest one from the UN that went to the UN?
Seth Holehouse:That was different. I forget the name of theirs, but I think theirs is probably a foundational work for that. No. Bloody Harvest is what it's called. Yes.
Seth Holehouse:That's correct. So Bloody Harvest was the name of their of their their their thesis they put together. And so basically, what they did as part of their research is they were calling up hospitals, and they were saying, you know, pretending to be a person that said, you know, speaking in Chinese, saying, hey. I need a liver, but I know that you have Falun Gong. Can I get a Falun Gong liver?
Seth Holehouse:And and here's my blood type, and here's my details. And they'd say, yep. We can have it to you for in nine days, we'll have we'll have it for you. And so they they had all these ways. And then then what I'm getting into, bodies exhibits.
Seth Holehouse:Shocking. I mean, it's just, oh, it's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 2:That's right. The bodies exhibits. Oh, yeah. That my ex wife worked at National Geographic as their their controller, and I remember she's like, oh, yeah. I get you free entry into the bodies.
Speaker 2:I'm like, I don't I don't think I wanna see that.
Seth Holehouse:Well, so here's I'll I'll pull up for you. If you look at the bodies exhibit, like, where's this guy from? Right? What nationality is he? What nationality
Speaker 2:He's definitely China Chinese. Chinese.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. What nationality is he? Right? You look at all of these exhibits.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh,
Seth Holehouse:yeah. Right? They're all
Speaker 2:Chinese. Horrible.
Seth Holehouse:And no one no one ever questioned I mean, yes, people did question it, but the the general public
Speaker 2:They celebrated it.
Seth Holehouse:No one ever no one asked the question and said
Speaker 2:Well, not only not only that, they celebrated it. I remember all the hoopla about the bodies exhibit. Like, I I thought it was disgusting. Oh, woah. Woah.
Speaker 2:Look at this one. Is that new?
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. This is this is the COVID.
Speaker 2:What's in the
Seth Holehouse:It's the COVID.
Speaker 2:Okay. I was gonna say, oh, man. I thought that was, like, from the, you know, '2 early two thousands. I was like, wait. That's COVID.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Jesus.
Seth Holehouse:And so but that's the thing is that they're they're Chinese. So this is there's a huge operation out of China. The the Placination factories were in China. Actually, funny enough, back in Ohio in 02/2007, I think it was 02/2008, I I went and protested these bodies exhibits. I made these giant signs, you know, back in Ohio.
Speaker 2:That's
Seth Holehouse:awesome. And went out there and, like, on the corner, and there's these huge signs out, you know, where are these bodies coming from? And because it was later, you know, a lot of research showed, and I forget which exhibit it was, but there's multiple exhibits that were going around that they were coming out of China. And it's like, well, how do you have these healthy like a healthy pregnant thirty year old woman where you have her dissected showing the womb and the baby and everything? Where does that come from?
Seth Holehouse:And it's what so they're doing there is it's just execution. Right? There's it just you know, for them, human bodies are a commodity.
Speaker 2:It's just it's And yeah. It's disgusting. And it's it's it's it's an it's a danger. That's what Americans don't realize. Like, it's a danger.
Speaker 2:Look. There's a reason I've got this furrowed brow permanently now since, you know, honestly, since since Biden opened the border. I said this on the show the other night, yeah, I used to go to a lot of really dangerous places, not only in the military, but as a civilian. It was worse as a civilian, especially not even a government contractor, as a competitive intel guy, I didn't have a gun, I had my wits. But what always kept me going was I could come back to The United States and feel relatively safe.
Speaker 2:We have crime and everything, now I don't I don't have that anymore. I feel like that over there has come to roost where I sleep and eat, and and it's the worst feeling in the world. And, you know, people, they don't see it because they don't see uniforms. They don't see the scene from Red Dawn. They don't see the parachutes landing in their neighbourhood.
Speaker 2:But they have to look at the way the Chinese Communist Party views wars. It's much different as as you know. Americans, the West, the Europeans, they focus on what's called the hardware of war, uniforms, weapons, the things you see, what's happening, the method. The Chinese focus on the purpose and the goal in their own words, and they don't care how they get there. They don't care if the goal is this, Chairman Xi wants this by 02/1949, Here's his directive, we're going
Seth Holehouse:to meet it, we're going
Speaker 2:to get there any way we can because according to the 1999 unrestricted warfare, everything's a battlefield, everyone's an enemy combatant. And so whether that's elite capture, like I believe has happened to Biden, because all the things he's done have opened up the world to China. You mentioned earlier about China being involved in terrorism and everything. Think Frank Gaffney, I think probably a friend of our both of ours, definitely my friend and a member of the Sovereignty Coalition, which he runs. But Frank Gaffney, he used to be a, I believe, the deputy national security advisor for Reagan.
Speaker 2:He calls Xi Jinping, the current leader of China, a serial world arsonist because he's just running around lighting fires. If you look, the one place in the world that's not on fire is China. The one embassy that didn't close on 08/15/2021 when Kabul fell was China. The one country that remains stronger than ever still in Afghanistan, escorted around by heavily armed Taliban who are controlled by Pakistan. These Taliban happen to have new weapons, very, very nice weapons, very nice well fitting uniforms.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. Yeah. That we gave them, are now escorting geologists around Afghanistan that are Chinese geologists. Why? Because Afghanistan has one of the biggest deposits of semi precious minerals, the same ones used to make semiconductor chips and many more things.
Speaker 2:So it goes back to the serial arsonist thing. The problem China has, you're right, you mentioned it early on, is it's always America because America's really unpredictable. I mean, we don't trust each other. I mean, it's like it's chaos half the time. But we still have a lot of force.
Speaker 2:We're still on top militarily. We still could destroy the planet 15 times from Sunday. So you're right, that speech you read earlier, you have to start and then I mentioned it with the protein and the shift in the food and the invasion of the food supply. Always drop artillery and poison and mustard gas on the enemy before you rush your troops and you want to weaken them as much as you can, Okay? If you got twenty years to do that, because they got about twenty years to do that, then you can have that.
Speaker 2:That's where it ties in with The Middle East, opens up the Belt and Road, unifies OPEC because Venezuela made a deal with China, like I think on October 8. And then I believe on October 9, right after Biden lifted the sanctions on Venezuela that were put in place, I believe by, I want to say Obama. Venezuela could trade oil again with China. And so you see it always goes back to China. I always say to people, if people are like, Well, how do you know it's China?
Speaker 2:I'm like, Okay, well, look around, who's holding a box of matches and a fire extinguisher and is in a fireproof bubble while everyone else burns. Okay? They're not the luckiest country on earth. Started those fires or were complicit in starting them. And cut me off if you have to, but I got to say the thing that you just chilled me to the bone when you said catalog for organs.
Speaker 2:Okay. Back in '21, I'm watching Fox News back when Tucker was on it, because that was the only reason I watched it. And I kept seeing these commercials for something called Everly Well, do you remember these? Where you give, it had this kind of nasally, these soccer mom type of Karens and they're like, And I thought I was allergic to almonds and it turns out I'm allergic to walnuts. The Everlywell test.
Speaker 2:Tests to see what you're allergic to and everything like that. Well, you're going love this one. So what I wrote on Twitter and I'll send you the link is, this strategy sound familiar? It should. Because what they're doing with this, if you look at the full offerings of Everlywell, they take a blood sample, you give it to them voluntarily, and they even have a subscription where you could give them blood samples every month.
Speaker 2:They have a video that's trying to be cute showing how to prick your finger and put blood on a patch. I'll send you the link to this. I'll put this all on a I'm sure I got it on a thread somewhere. What I said is, okay, if you have food sensitivity, don't trust Moderna TX, you may want to avoid Everlywell. Robert Langer, a Moderna co fanger is on Everlywell's board.
Speaker 2:Disturbingly, he's also on the executive committee at the Euro Society for Organ Transplantation, which is ESOT.org. Robert Langer, do you remember who he is?
Seth Holehouse:No.
Speaker 2:So I'm just going to I don't have control of your screen, so I'll just DM you if you want, or I can email you a link. But Robert Langer, he's one of the faces of the COVID vaccine. He was the co founder of Moderna. Okay? He was also colleague of professor Lieber, who was the Harvard professor working over at Wuhan that got busted for, I forgot, like espionage or something.
Speaker 2:There's Langer right there. So, and I'll just let me just do this really quick. Yeah, anyway, so I was shocked because, and thank God for training man, because they just teach you pattern analysis. And it just seemed like a really weird thing and it seemed weird that it was on Fox, which I always knew they were a globalist thing, but I'm just going to tag you in this so you have it. So they show you how to take the blood sample and then they also show you, Oh, you know what?
Speaker 2:Can test all of these organs for you with this blood sample. Okay? All right. So I just tagged you on that one. But it goes further because like I said, this guy Langer, who co founded Moderna also worked with Lieber over in Wuhan.
Speaker 2:He's also on the executive board of the largest European organ transplant society out there. You can look up the health of your organs online in your own personalized catalog, Seth, anytime you want once you're enrolled. So think about this, we have open borders. We have no one telling China no, we have scientists and doctors running rampant and they have shown to be willing to do anything they want to unsuspecting people that trust them. Well, now you have a bunch of people, and I'm sure there's a lot of people signed up for this, who are voluntarily cataloging their organs with one of the co founders of Moderna who worked with a guy from Harvard named Charles, I think it's Charles Lieber, who got arrested for espionage selling secrets to China.
Speaker 2:I think he only went down for like not disclosing finances or something. And now you have an online catalog. So let's just say in every catalog or every data collection or every data mining or every database situation, there's always two sides to it. So for instance, the vaccine passport, right? You read the terms of service of like the Empire Pass in New York or the Tiger Pass at Princeton or the One Health Pass in Philippines, it says your data is not shared, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:This company will not share the data and they mean the card company. What they don't tell you about is what the businesses can do with that data, the ones that own the machine that you're swiping that card on. That's the same thing with Everlywell. Okay? Everlywell probably doesn't sell your data, okay?
Speaker 2:But a division of Everly Well can share that data with their global partners who then catalogue you as a human. Yeah, I mean, you're basically walking around if you're with Once I found this, I took organ donor off of my license immediately. It's like wearing a big red sign. And that's why, if I was really worried about, if I smoked, I'd be smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey on live feeds all day long. Like no one would want my organs, but you kind of see where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2:It's a self populating, it's a user populated database of people's organs and DNA. And if you go to big, Beijing Institute of Genomics, .gov.cn, I think they may have removed them, but I of course saved them. That is the Beijing Institute of Genomics. That is some fricking Gattaca stuff going on there. They have one of the biggest warehouses of DNA in the world.
Speaker 2:And I believe even 23andMe, which is now Chinese owned also make sure their DNA samples go to big. And there's a speech Trump gave, because I think he was about to do something about this, but out of the blue, he said, big science. He kept saying big, kept saying the big word. I think he was referring to the Beijing Institute of Genomics. There's a
Seth Holehouse:Imagine what's coming out of here.
Speaker 2:It's so creepy, man. Like there's one though where they have the ballerina and she's dancing and then she suddenly becomes like a DNA strand. It's really bizarre. Let me see genomics. But yeah, so I do apologise to the audience that we're typing as we're talking is, this conversation's going where it's going.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, it's like, look at all of these things together. In war, there's always two major enemies. Okay? There's the one that wants to kill you and there's the one that wants to profit from the death and destruction. So when you see all these different players bringing it back to the original point, people need to understand the pyramid idea of one person at the top, that's impossible.
Speaker 2:That's impossible as long as humans are doing this and not robots because everyone wants to be at the top. And for the people that say China's a junior partner, I mean, for those who know the Chinese Communist Party, those who have studied Xi Jinping and Mao and all these communist Chinese leaders, I can't imagine a world where they're going to be happy being a junior partner sitting at a board table, especially when they have the biggest army of all of them at that table and the will to use it. So I think that's kind of ridiculous, but I will tell people this, yes, everything matters. I believe in collecting all intelligence. That's one thing I have with the Chinese is I believe in a thousand grains of sand.
Speaker 2:But I will say this, not everyone even cares about you or even thinks about you. A lot of it is for profit. Like for instance, when deployed to The Philippines after nineeleven, we were totally getting ripped off by Dinecor. They were forcing us as soldiers to use the Dine Corp ATM so they could get their transaction fees. We got nothing to spend the money on because we'll get kidnapped and killed if we leave this down in Zamboanga, like the real southern extreme area.
Speaker 2:But Dinecor was not in cahoots with the Abu Sayyaf group. Dinecor was not in cahoots with a new world order. They might be, but back then it's like, Dynecor saw an opportunity to make money because war is one of the most profitable things out there, which is why right after Afghanistan was shut down, they just shifted it over to Ukraine. And it's the exact same pattern. So got enemies, but you also have profiteers and profiteers are dangerous and they have to be controlled.
Speaker 2:If you're our enemy, you got to control your profiteers that you let in, those are those contractors because they'll help keep the war going too, they could keep making money. And it's very, very dark. I just tell people like, look, Ukraine happened only after Afghanistan shut down and the same contractors got the same contracts. And not only that, the NGOs were set up to help victims of the Ukrainian bombing before there were any bombs reportedly dropped. I have that all out on my Twitter feed from back then.
Speaker 2:People have to look at it, like look at everything I would recommend for all of those who want to figure out the state of the world. The world runs on money. Yeah, there could be devil worshipers and everything else and new world order and secret societies. Yeah, that's all fine and good, but money is the power. So even if you're a world leader who's into those things, you have to have the power to be able to partake in your dark pleasures or whatever and have your band of rich people like that too.
Speaker 2:What I am saying is I've never in all of my investigations and all of the intelligence work I've ever done, I've never seen any major thing that the enemy and the bottom feeders that cling on to the enemy and us, that it wasn't always about money. Biden, it's about money. The Democrats, it's about money. Money comes from the power they gain. For Russia, it's about money.
Speaker 2:You think Russia was upset when we blew up their pipeline, because I think we did. But at the same time, they got to double their rates for taking natural gas on rail. They profited, their economy is in great shape. Okay? But if you look at every single example, if you go to the money, you'll always find the answer.
Speaker 2:Doesn't mean that's the deep core of someone's soul and that's why they're waging war. But on this mortal coil, that's pretty much why they're doing it, is for profit. Profit leads to power. Then once they have all the power, then they can freely partake in those things that maybe even maybe satanic or whatever else anyone else is researching. That's that's kind of how I look at things.
Seth Holehouse:There's a tweet I wanna pull up actually because it was I just get I think I said this yesterday. And it says, does anyone remember when the US government invaded Baghdad, killed half a million people, then awarded Halliburton with a $40,000,000,000 for the reconstruction of Iraq? It says, in unrelated news, BlackRock and JPMorgan just launched a reconstruction bank for Ukraine. And it's just like it's the same thing over and over again. It's the same playbook over and
Speaker 2:over again. Let me see. Isn't oh, yeah. That's right. Dick Cheney.
Speaker 2:Right? Halliburton? Was he was he one of the big founders? Wasn't his daughter on the j six commission trying to shut down the president Trump who was already talking about shutting down all the wars and didn't have any wars? He wasn't very profitable for Halliburton, was he?
Speaker 2:No. I'm sure there's no con I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Seth Holehouse:I'm full of it. Full of it. So, Brian, before we sign off, I I wanna bring up your Twitter for folks, just where they can follow you. It's, at Brian O'Shea SPI. You have the link there for your Rumble channel with your show with you and JJ.
Seth Holehouse:Great show. Highly recommend people to, you know, check it out.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Seth Holehouse:And, yeah. I mean, I I appreciate your perspective and look at this, because it's it's so complicated. It it is so complicated. And what I see is that, yeah, there's absolutely agendas for a new world order. What does that mean?
Seth Holehouse:It means Mhmm. That people that are very powerful want more power, and they wanna rule the world. And I think China, they see themselves as the rightful heirs of that throne. There's other groups that see themselves as the heirs to that throne, and The United States is in the way. And but if they aren't able to get rid of us, they won't achieve their goal, which is why The US is so key.
Seth Holehouse:So anyway, any final thoughts before we sign off?
Speaker 2:You know, I think I probably have said enough. I would just say to people, look, it's frustrating. And by the way, if I don't agree with the research you're doing, I'm really glad you're researching. I'm glad you're curious. I'm glad you want to look under the hood and find out what's going on.
Speaker 2:That is a huge change from 2019 for sure. So keep going. I will say this to people who want to research and it's frustrating. I'm sure Seth, you've run into this and I have too. Where do I start?
Speaker 2:It's so big. I always say, and I say this many, many times, like I say on my show, start with evaluating yourself. In the business world, they call that business intelligence. Do an analysis of what are your vulnerabilities? What's important to you?
Speaker 2:Your children, your wife, your marriage, your backyard, your ability to go to the soccer game, and then look for threats to that. And then what you'll find is as you find one threat and find a way to eliminate it, legally, I hope, you're going to spot the next one up the chain. And before you know it, you will be swimming in the sea with all the people looking at these global conspiracies and everything, which a lot of them are true. But, you know, so start small when you're doing research. I was never trained in The US intelligence community, in military intelligence, you always start with target centric intelligence, which is the intelligence that is used to protect you and then those close to you move out in echelons.
Speaker 2:So like the patriots said, played by Mel Gibson, aim small, miss small. Start small. Don't don't try to start big. You'll you'll lose your mind.
Seth Holehouse:It's a good point. It's also easy to get lost and caught up with things that we have no control over. And and and the big stuff we have no control over. The small stuff we do. And so, you know, getting our own, yeah, bed in order, our own house in order, it's important.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And I do wanna say, you know, everyone should be talking about Stephen K. Bannon, okay? And this is my opinion, not a man in America's opinion. Everyone should be talking about it because my wife, Naomi Wolf wrote an essay about it and she's right.
Speaker 2:If you're not talking about it, they're coming for everyone. They're coming for everyone. These are wrongfully imprisoned people. These people that want all this power, they're not going to stop. They can't stop.
Speaker 2:Power is addictive. And once you exercise power, if you stop, people will come to take it away from you. Please everyone, if you don't know the story about Stephen K. Bannon of the war room, learn it and learn how that applies to you because he was mobilizing the everyday person and he was he's he's still very powerful. So everyone should be talking about that.
Speaker 2:And Seth, I'm sorry, but I I've made a promise to the war room that I would mention Steve Bannon as much as I could to amplify
Seth Holehouse:Oh, no. That's fine.
Speaker 2:Hashi. Okay. And hashtag next man up.
Seth Holehouse:Let me go ahead pull up, you know, her her Substack just just to to highlight that. So it's niamiewolf.substack.com. And let me see where is the
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think it's called outspoken.
Seth Holehouse:I'm trying to think to see if I can find the Herb Bannon post.
Speaker 2:I think it's it is called what what What it is? What's
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. So here it So I I will put this link in the description of the show.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Yeah. What time it is? Imprisonment of Stephen k Bannon. And yeah.
Seth Holehouse:So I'll read this. I haven't read it yet. I will read it after our show, but
Speaker 2:I will encourage you listen. It's it's really good.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. So I'll encourage folks to read this and share this as well. We'll make sure that it's in the description. So well, Brian Yeah. Thanks, man.
Seth Holehouse:It's always a pleasure speaking with you. I I feel like that this is the time goes by very quickly when we when we talk, and I appreciate what you're And, yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's a crazy time, but we have to be rational and and just calmly analyze everything around us. Because it's it's just too easy for us to get stirred up into a frenzy and lose our grounding and lose our footing, and that's when the mistakes happen. So I I appreciate you, representing some sort of calm and and, analytical perspective on the world today.
Speaker 2:Well, that's my pleasure, and thank you for what you do as well.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. Alright, man. Well, until next time, take care, and god bless.
Speaker 2:You too. Thank you.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, I hope you enjoyed that interview. I've now got another very special interview with you talking about something that most of us are dealing with, which is inflammation. So, folks, please enjoy this next interview with doctor Joel Brand. Doctor Joel Brand, it is a pleasure to have you back on the show. Thank you very much for joining us today.
Speaker 3:It's always a pleasure to be here with you, Seth.
Seth Holehouse:So I feel like in the past, especially five years and really since COVID, there has been this rebirth of the perception of medicine and the perception of modern medicine. I think that we're having this huge movement of going back towards the farm, you know, back towards the, you know, local foods, letting food be medicine, and really, I think having a more skeptical eye as it comes to anything coming out of big pharma. Not that it's all bad, but really just looking at it like, is it really good, or is it just masking something? Is it just covering up something and kinda treat it more at the root? And, you know, we've done a couple of shows before, and the one thing you've become really an expert in is understanding inflammation.
Seth Holehouse:And it's something that you see all the time. You see that that whether it's a billboard or the person, like, holding their knee with the red glowing around their knee, do you have inflammation problems? Here's your medicine for it. And it just seems like it's one of those, you know, kind of symptoms or something the body has that there's a million, you know, miracle medicines to treat the symptoms, but no one's really talking about the root cause of it. And so why don't you walk us through, because inflammation is something I think that most of us deal with in some sense, but go ahead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, inflammation is, it's kind of my specialty, and it's become, in a way, the specialty of so many doctors and pharmaceutical companies. Everybody's working on inflammation because the scientific and medical world now understands that it is chronic inflammation that underlies most of the diseases that make people sick and die these days. Why that is? They don't know. What I have discovered and have been talking about and built into this product, Sweetamine, of course, is it is the fact that there are a certain fundamental aspects of the process that are not understood.
Speaker 3:If you look anywhere for a definition of inflammation, it will tell you that it's the immune system's first response to infection or injury. Everybody knows that, right? Well, actually that's a half truth, And the half that's untrue is very important. It is not a natural response to injury. Why do people think that?
Speaker 3:Because it always happens. Why does it always happen? Almost always. It's because we are deficient in an amino acid called glycine, simplest amino acid there is. Why isn't this recognized?
Speaker 3:Because glycine has always been thought of as a nonessential amino acid. So who's going to spend time studying something that is nonessential? And who's going to believe you can really be deficient in it if your body makes it, presumably making enough for enough for making all the proteins you need to make because amino acids are strung together to make proteins, and you have enough glycine to do that. But glycine has another very essential function in the immune system. It functions as kind of a trigger lock on this on this response, this first response.
Speaker 3:When your immune system runs into a pathogen, some microbe invades through some sort of opening in the skin or through inhalation or through eating or drinking, the first response to some microbe that your body's never seen before is inflammation. It's relatively nonspecific. It's basically secreting a bunch of poisons so that you can kill it before it comes in and kills you. But why is it there if you don't have an infection? And why does it always seem to happen if you don't have an infection if it turns out that glycine has an effect on the cells that cause inflammation.
Speaker 3:Cells that cause inflammation are called collectively macrophages, different kinds of macrophages because they're different ones that are resident in every organ and tissue of the body. It's kind of like the security system of every organ. You know, your liver has a security system. It has a bunch of macrophages, checking IDs at the door and so on. You have a, You have a security system in your lungs, a security system in your brain, you have it in your gut, in your muscles.
Speaker 3:Every organ has large number of cells of the immune system that are called macrophages. And these are the first responders, they're the cells that cause inflammation, but they're not supposed to cause inflammation when there's no infection. So it's rather like the security you have on the road on the highway. You're driving on the highway and there's an accident. And there's a pile up on the freeway and who shows up, the state troopers show up, the police.
Speaker 3:And they come and they take accident reports and call in the tow trucks and the ambulances and redirect traffic until everything's cleaned up and then they go back to their base. And that's fine as long as they don't draw their weapons. These are after all, are police. They carry around loaded weapons all the time so they can respond to bad actors. But if there are no bad actors around, they're not supposed to start shooting up the place.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what your macrophages are. The thing is the glycine is a stabilizer of the membranes of these cells They act like kind of a trigger lock so they are not activated to start destroying things. So macrophages have two kinds of functions that you might call them mend or rend. If they are in the mend mode, they're there to clean up the mess and get things back to normal. If they are switched into the rend mode, if you will, then they will start secreting poisons to try and destroy things that might otherwise cause damage.
Speaker 3:That these are recognized now as the state of being m one versus m two. M one is sort of REND mode. These are secreting poisons and destroying things, whereas MEND mode is called M2 for macrophages and they're there just to clean up the mess and not generate inflammation. So glycine acts in a couple of ways. It acts to block the first step, as I say, like a trigger lock, to block the first step of inflammation so that these macrophages don't go into M1 mode, they just go into M2 mode when there is injury because what's the point of having damage done, you need to clean up the mess and then just rebuild the tissue.
Speaker 3:It's not needed, inflammation is not needed for healing, it actually inhibits healing. When you don't have inflammation, things heal more quickly. So glycine is the main actor there. That is the single molecule that your body uses to regulate inflammation. And why are we all deficient in glycine?
Speaker 3:Well, more and more in modern in modern life, we eat more and more muscle meats of meat, fish, and poultry. And we usually throw the bones in the trash instead of the soup like our forebears used to. So we don't eat the whole animal, the whole fish, the whole, you know, the whole chicken, the whole whatever it is. We tend to not to use the bones. This is why bone broth, by the way, is not only a popular fad but it's been so for a long time and will be for a long time to come because it's the collagen which is mostly in the bones and connective tissues which contains most of the glycine.
Speaker 3:Meanwhile, the muscles contain most of another amino acid called methionine that your body treats as toxic. And when there's too much, like right after you've had that cheeseburger, your liver is not conserving this essential amino acid methionine. It's taken it so much that now it's actually getting rid of the excess. And in order to get rid of the excess methionine, for every molecule of methionine it gets rid of, it needs to use up two molecules of glycine. So you see the situation is exacerbated in two different ways.
Speaker 3:We eat more and more of this methionine necessitating, using up more glycine to get rid of it on the one hand and on the other hand, we're throwing the glycine containing part of the meat, the the bones, and the connective tissues in the trash. Our glycine levels are lower than they need to be.
Seth Holehouse:A question for you with that. So okay. So it's interesting because a lot of I'm a big fan of Sally Fallon and the the work that she's done in Weston Price Foundation, etcetera, going back and looking at traditional cultures and how they ate and everything and finding that
Speaker 3:Okay.
Seth Holehouse:In a lot of instances, our problems in modern society are because of some change that happened that, to our diets as an example. Like, you know, people say, oh, I'm you know, I I can't handle gluten. Well, go eat an ancient grain like spelt, and you realize you can handle, you know, these things. It just said there's there's the modern version or the modern lack of something. And so you mentioned how bone broths and everything have a lot of collagen and hence glycine, but then we've become, you know, most people just go get like a big fat rib eye, or let's say, they'll get a t bone, but they cut around the bone, then they throw the bone in the trash can or give it to the dog.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And so if we were eating in the way that I think humans did before, if you look at traditional cultures, they would always you know, actually, I think in even old cultures, they'd give the muscle meats to the animals, and they would eat the organs. They because they knew that was the most nutrient dense. So the question that I have is is gout. So one thing I commonly think about is, you know, eating when you eat too much muscle meat is maybe someone who who eats so much meat, they develop gout.
Seth Holehouse:So is I'm just curious. Maybe you're not familiar with it in the way I'm I'm looking for, but is gout perhaps something that's in excess of the was it methionine?
Speaker 3:Well, yes. It's interesting. I mean, I hope I don't cut you off. I don't wanna get anticipated.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, I guess the question I had was whether it was because of Glycine. Not enough glycine perhaps is what one of the causes of gout.
Speaker 3:Okay. Well, gout is caused by too much of what is called uric acid, which is a byproduct of DNA and RNA digestion, which is also what you get in a lot of meat. So when you have too much meat consumption, because bones, for example, bones and connective tissue are what are called non cellular tissues, there's very, very little cellular matter. Most when you get to bone and connective tissue, most of the tissue is matrix. It's outside of cells.
Speaker 3:There's no DNA in there. Okay? Muscle meats and organ meats also, so the muscle is what we eat, have lots and lots of they have the nuclei of all these cells, so there's lots of DNA. And so when we eat too much of these so called nucleic acids, DNA, RNA, it's uric acid which is a byproduct of these things. And when the uric acid gets too high in the blood, it can actually crystallize out which is what starts causing the pain when you get these sharp little crystals in your capillaries trying to go through all these little turns of the circulatory system.
Speaker 3:Where glycine comes in is that what do those little crystals do? They cause little micro injuries. Now that can be painful and it will eventually clear up and all of that. But if you're glycine deficient, every time you get micro injuries, you get inflammation. So you get a tremendous, that's why you get these flare ups of gout.
Speaker 3:So people with gout, if they take enough glycine or glycine supplement like sweetamine, you'll find that the flare ups are gone. You don't get secondary inflammation from the micro injuries of the gout process, so it stops magnifying that whole disease process. Alcohol, I'm not sure exactly how it works, but alcohol is also known to exacerbate what happens with gout. But I think I know that from some people that I've known who had gout, it definitely takes care of the flare ups. And there are other conditions like that which are not necessarily related to glycine, like for example lupus.
Speaker 3:An autoimmune disease, which is not directly related to glycine, people who have lupus also have a lot of this secondary inflammation which causes a lot of the pain and the immobility. So it's so it inflammation because of glycine deficiency and because, as I said in the beginning, it exacerbates an inappropriate reaction to injury rather than infection, everything gets magnified. Now that shouldn't be that's not to say that infection is all well and good when you're glycine deficient because what happens is the reaction, the appropriate reaction, gets overdone. And so, for example, COVID, which is not I I got COVID. It was terrible to have COVID.
Speaker 3:I thought it was a very unpleasant GI illness, and it was like a stomach virus. I'd never never a cough or a sneeze from it. It was not respiratory at all. Why not? Because it is the spike protein which irritates the macrophages in the lungs, the so called alveolar macrophages in the lungs, causing them to basically go nuclear with what they call a cytokine storm.
Speaker 3:And this is what makes COVID life threatening. So all of these, as I say, most of what makes people sick and die these days, including something like COVID, which is an infection but it can get magnified. So if you have a glycine supplement like sweetamine so that you have enough glycine in your blood all the time to keep all of these macrophages in all the organs and in the blood where they exist and where they're always on patrol for pathogens which may come in and cause harm, if there's enough glycine around, they will only respond and only respond in appropriate levels to actual infection. So that's all it is. Really one nutrient.
Speaker 3:Some people have said to me, oh, you mean, how can one how can one little molecule be responsible for so much? You know, that that's too simple. Well, the implication there is that somehow it's not scientific if it's too simple, but in scientific if it's too simple, but in fact, science works the opposite way. If it's not simple, then there's a scientific problem with it. You don't reject the hypothesis because it's too simple.
Speaker 3:You reject the hypothesis because it's too complicated. Otherwise, we'd still think that the planets and and the sun were revolving around the earth in complex epicytes. So I said, be beware of the word complex. It's one of those tells that, you know, that experts will use, well, this is very complex. Chronic inflammation, we don't know quite why.
Speaker 3:Yes. You don't know why, and that's why you use the term complex because you really don't understand fundamentally, everything is simple.
Seth Holehouse:Is arthritis, is is that because I know it's an inflammation of joints and and and whatnot. So is that also in some way related to
Speaker 3:Well, arthritis, see, the the Inflammation is the nonspecific reaction of a so called innate immune system. When you have the couple kinds of arthritis, there's the osteoarthritis which is basically from chronic micro injuries, and when you're glycine deficient, that causes inflammation. So yes, that helps a lot. With all of the typical aches and pains that we attribute to aging, just supplementing with glycine like sweetamine and the other, even collagen, some other glycine supplement will definitely make osteoarthritis get better. When you get to rheumatoid arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis is where your immune system has now gotten to the acquired immunity stage of making specific antibodies against certain irritants and even against parts of your own, like the synovial fluid and the joints and so on.
Speaker 3:You start getting a specific antibody response. So it's not going to be cured by just adding glycine, but like I mentioned with the other conditions like gout, it is very often the secondary inflammation from the injury due to the first injury, which produces some malformations so that when a joint moves, causes some tearing and then you get subsequent inflammation from that secondary inflammation. Glycine will help with any kind of inflammation, whether it's primary or whether it's just due to an injury inappropriately or secondary due to some other disease process that's not directly related. But when it causes that pain and immobility that you find typically, it will help to supplement with glycine. Remember, the problem is that we don't have enough glycine in our blood to begin with because of our dietary habits, basically throwing it away and not eating enough of it, If we're in that situation, anything that's wrong with you is bound to get better because you're now restoring a more natural condition to the fluids that all your cells are bathed in, your blood and blood plasma and the fluid that seeps out from the blood naturally into the tissues.
Speaker 3:So so that's so it will help with with just about everything that there there was an article today I wanted to mention, speak just in the news today. New York Times of all places about it. They call it the promise of Ozempic, one of these new diabetic drugs, which not only will it actually treat diabetes and lower your blood sugar, but it will also help you lose weight. Now they say, oh, it will help with cardiovascular disease and this and that. Seems to be a real wonder drug and why?
Speaker 3:Well, it seems to have something to do with inflammation. Briefly, the way this drug works, it mimics a hormone, and the hormone is called GLP-one, glucagon like peptide-one. And this is a hormone, and for some reason, these big articles don't even tell you how it works, but they should. The way this hormone works, it's a hormone that is secreted by the lower part of your small intestine. When you eat food, the big molecules are broken into slightly smaller pieces of the stomach.
Speaker 3:Most of the digestion happens in the first part of the small intestine. Later on in the small intestine, which is most of its length and surface area, that's where absorption takes place. Well, there's a lot of communication, electronic and hormonal, in the digestive system. And GLP one is a hormone that is secreted by the lower part of the small intestine in response to detecting glucose, one of the primary nutrients. Because it's when it detects glucose beyond a certain threshold, it says to the stomach, woah, there's still unabsorbed food, too much unabsorbed food for me to absorb.
Speaker 3:Slow down. Don't empty so quickly. So its primary function is to slow the emptying of the stomach and to tell the pancreas to secrete more insulin to get ready for more nutrients coming in. So it helps diabetes, but it also, by slowing the emptying of the stomach, it suppresses appetite. You can't eat as much because it makes your body less efficient at processing and absorbing nutrition.
Speaker 3:So diabetes is basically a disease of overnutrition because our bodies are basically built they're designed for famine, not really for feast. So if there's a a chronic feast, that's what's going on with us. Right? It's chronic feasting going on on one hand, and on the other hand, everybody sits for a living, and so we're not burning those calories. So we're taking in more.
Speaker 3:We're not burning them all. We get that double whammy, and we get we get obesity. Right? We get overweight. When you get overweight, it's not so much the fat cells in the fat tissue, it's those macrophages embedded in the fat.
Speaker 3:They are the ones that cause the inflammation. So for example, it's been known that if you, let's say you're twenty pounds overweight and you've just become diabetic, well, your doctor will tell you if you lose those 20 pounds, the diabetes will go away. And that's true. That's why they say, yes, it's this abdominal obesity that causes diabetes because if you get rid of it, it'll go away. But actually, if you take glycine, a glycine supplement, the diabetes will go away without losing anybody because that's what it is.
Speaker 3:It's the fact that these macrophages embedded in the fat are too active. They're causing inflammation in the destructive mode instead of the just clean up the mess mode. So so so a hormone then that will or a drug which mimics the hormone, it has all these wonderful benefits. Why? Because it's it's it's compensating for this over nutritional state that we put ourselves in that society is in.
Speaker 3:That's that's how it treats the symptom. Whereas if your body had enough glycine, what you would do is you would see, let's say you're a perfectly normal healthy individual, and gain 20 pounds. Let's say that that 20 pounds is just fat tissue, that's inert. So now you're walking around carrying around twenty, thirty pounds extra weight. Wait a minute, that should be good for the heart.
Speaker 3:You're getting extra exercise every time you walk around. If that's all we're doing, it should not do any harm. And in fact, that would be the body's natural way to compensate. Okay, you got extra nutrition, you put on extra weight, well, now you're gonna have to burn some more calories to carry it around. That's kind of the natural ebb and flow of things.
Speaker 3:So we do it with a chemical modification. If we treat it and say, okay, let's get into the chemical control system and modify it so that the body is now not efficient at absorbing this nutrition. That's what that kind of drug therapy is intended to do. And it works, but these are drugs. They're synthetic drugs.
Speaker 3:Your body's not used to having them in the system. So ultimately, of course, there are gonna be side effects. Of course, because there substances that are not normally in your body, not normally consumed. They're made in a laboratory. They're just recently invented.
Speaker 3:So they're not so you're you're bound to get and there are, of course, side effects described from these things. It's not just the natural substance. Although you can use the natural substance as a drug, but chronic use of that, like chronic cortisone, for example, you could take it as a natural hormone. But if you use it as a drug, eventually, know, you get bone loss. You get all kinds of problems.
Speaker 3:So the natural thing is just to make sure the nutrition includes enough glycine. Easily done taking a glycine supplement like sweetamine. Or as I say, you can do it with lots of bone broth or collagen supplements. There are some people who got trouble with something that's sweet because sweetamine is the sweetener because glycine is naturally sweet. And I tell people if you can't stand that then take a collagen supplement, I don't sell it.
Speaker 3:But you can get it other places. Just make sure you get your glycine because that's really what it comes down to. People don't have enough glycine. And it's not gonna cure being overweight. You can still gain those extra ten, twenty pounds fairly easily and have a difficult time getting them off, but it's not gonna make you diabetic.
Speaker 3:It's just gonna give your heart a little more exercise. That's all.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Tell tell us so so basically, we're missing the glycine that traditionally we would have got from bone broths and and eating the organ meats. And and and, actually, less the organ meats, more just the bone broths and the cartilage, etcetera. You know, we try to eat bone broths, and I can tell you even when trying to do it, it's hard to get it in more than once a week. It's just it's not easy.
Speaker 3:Get it in?
Seth Holehouse:More than once a week. I mean, you you know, we we we make a big bone broth. You can freeze some of it. It'll thaw some of it. It just it's not easy.
Seth Holehouse:So sweetamine has glycine. Like, how so that there's walk us through what sweetamine does.
Speaker 3:Sweetamine is basically it mostly, it's it's just the so called free amino acid. It's not the protein form, which collagen, for example, is 25% glycine by weight. So sweetamine is the free amino acid. So you don't have to digest it. It just gets absorbed right away.
Speaker 3:And but it's it's used by your body in the same way that it would be if you got it from from a protein like collagen. So you can see there, it comes in stick packs, 30 in box or 12 in a twelve day challenge. And by the way, we sell it risk free. So if you buy a twelve day challenge pack or or a full box, and for any reason you don't like it, just tell us you don't like it. You don't have to return it and your money back including the shipping.
Speaker 3:We're not trying to get people to take drugs or anything like that, we just want people to be naturally healthy because that's really the object here. And I originally went the commercial route actually because this was an easier way to make it available to people, this knowledge about glycine, rather than just fighting with academics and publishing scientific papers because new discoveries typically take decades before they become accepted. Usually, they're resisted by commercial interests, by medical interests, by you know, whenever whenever there's anything is is institution is made into some kind of an institution or an industry or, you know, any kind of group of people or substantial amount of money is involved in perpetuating some some kind of dietary system, pharmaceutical system, anything like that, there's resistance to changing it. And so, you know, science, although they'll try to make you think that science goes from scientific consensus to scientific consensus. You know?
Speaker 3:No. So it usually is somebody beating his head against the wall for twenty or thirty years until finally people listen if it's something that really is true. Well, this really is true. This is I would say these discoveries I had about glycine in the immune system were basically I started experimenting with glycine in twenty o seven, reading about what other scientists had done and experimenting with it, and realizing what I explained earlier in this in this show about the misunderstandings of what glycine is, that it really is essential, not nonessential, and what inflammation is and what it is not. All of these things I learned starting in twenty o seven when I started experimenting with glycine.
Speaker 3:In 2010, I would say were my moments when I realized, ah, this is this is what shoots down everything I always believed about inflammation, that it's a natural response to injury. Why? Because I self experimented and I got injured in a couple of different ways. And the expected inflammation didn't happen. I fell right onto my tailbone, literally went dancing that night and felt absolutely perfectly normal the next morning except for a bruise.
Speaker 3:I I got a severe sunburn, which I hadn't done since my teens. Just going to a ball game without wearing a hat and or anything or any sunscreen, and it was June, and there were no obstructions. Around the solstice and I got a really severe sunburn and then it just started to go away. So putting two and two together, I mean, it didn't hurt that I had a background in research in dermatology and then why you back in the seventies. So I knew about inflammation in the skin and some of these things, but inflammation one way or another due to sunburn, due to blunt injury, they didn't happen.
Speaker 3:Well, what was I doing? I was taking ten grams of Well, sweetamine has eight grams a day of glycine, which is you need about 10, but you get you ordinarily get two or three from your diet. So you really only need about eight, generally speaking. Sometimes people ask me if I if can I take more than one packet of sweetened? And I say, sure.
Speaker 3:You can take as much as you want. It's very safe. It's it's a it's not only a natural substance, but it's you it's harder it's easier to poison yourself by drinking too much water than by having too much glycine. It's exceedingly safe. And so I say, yeah, you can take two.
Speaker 3:So they say, oh, should I take two? I said, well, if I tell you to take two and it works, you're gonna think you need to take two every day. That's great for business, but I just wanna get people healthy. So try one. If you wanna try two, you can try two.
Speaker 3:Usually if it's gonna work for you, then a little more will help. Will it work for everybody? It will stop inflammation for everybody. Will it stop whatever pain you're experiencing? There are other things that cause pain besides inflammation.
Speaker 3:Inflammation can be caused by direct irritation of a nerve or inflammation causes swelling and some other substances which will irritate nerves and cause pain. So as we get older, most of the things that cause us pain, mostly it's the inflammation. If it's something else, then you really ought to find out what it is. It's not inflammation. Nowadays they call things fibroneuralgia.
Speaker 3:If somebody has lots of pain and can't tell what it's from, they say, Oh, you have fibromyalgia. Fibromyalgia. People with fibromyalgia generally helped a lot because that's usually inflammation in one way or another. So that's what it is, it's very simple. And do I need to take this for the rest of your life?
Speaker 3:Well, you need to eat for the rest of your life. And you know, if you'd rather go on a bone broth kick, go ahead. Know, if you go take 40 collagen every day or you know, if you're gonna eat that because you've changed your diet in that way, well then you probably don't eat sweet. Sweetamine is for almost everybody because it's very few people who are actually really eating enough of it. Then you might say, what about vegans?
Speaker 3:Well, vegans have more eat less methionine, so they don't need as much glycine in their diet. So you can you can have enough depending on on what vegetable foods you eat. You can eat stuff that has more glycine rather than not. But even these I would go back to saying that there's a long dietary research history showing that, oh, it's the vegans are better off because you you get less heart disease, less cancer, you live longer. It's much healthier to have vegetable protein rather than animal protein.
Speaker 3:Well, all of that research, all of that research is wrong because when they say, when they compare a diet that's rich in animal protein to one that's only vegetable proteins, they don't include the protein that's in the connective tissues in the bones, the collagen, so they actually are excluding most of the glycine. So you have a full diet and I enjoy New York strip steak as much as anybody. And I don't have it every day, but I have lots of other things. Tonight, I'm gonna have a nice salmon steak, you know, for for dinner. And I'll enjoy every minute minute of it, and I know that I am not eating an inappropriate food.
Speaker 3:I've come to believe over the years that in general, it's not what we eat that's killing us. Because these days you hear, oh, this additive and that additive and and that kind of food and, you know, people are scared to eat anything. Oh, that everything's processed. Well, the worst processing you can have is to cut the meat off the bone and throw the bones away. That's the that's the most destructive processing that goes.
Speaker 3:It's not so the maximum that I've kind of adopted as a good general rule is it's not what you eat that's killing you. It's what you don't It is amazing when you get rid of inappropriate or excess inflammation by having enough glycine in your diet just by taking a supplement like sweet and meat. It's amazing. You know, the the whole, you know, well-being is great. I have so many of so many of my customers are people who are my age or older than I am.
Speaker 3:I I'm only 73, but a lot of my customers are up in their seventies and eighties. And and a lot of them have lots of aches and pains and immobility and so on. And and I I just have to say it's the the greatest way to age in a healthy way is to wake up every morning, feel feel a little better than you did yesterday. And when you get rid of or when you increase your intake of glycine, get rid of the habit of not having glycine one another. When you start taking glycine, then you wake up every morning, you feel a little better.
Speaker 3:But I would say that glycine, unlike a drug or like some other nutrients that take a longer time to absorb and to be incorporated into the bodily tissues, The effect of glycine in terms of stopping inflammation is almost instantaneous. That is to say most people will feel a benefit on the third day of use. So like we have our twelve day challenge, you can try it for three days, it seems to work, try it for four days, five go off it for a few days, see it not working, and then, you know, experiment with it. So we figured twelve days is enough to to see if it's really gonna work for you.
Seth Holehouse:And so we've got a URL, mysweetamine.com/Seth. They have the twelve day challenge. They can try it out. If they don't like it, just contact you and say, you know what? I hate it.
Seth Holehouse:Here's what you here's your money back. But most people, I'm sure they don't do that. So
Speaker 3:Most people don't, obviously. You couldn't stay in business with
Seth Holehouse:them. Exactly.
Speaker 3:So doctor A lot of people yeah. A lot of people order more to start with. They say, well, it's not very expensive. You know? For a hundred bucks, I can get three months supply.
Seth Holehouse:There you go.
Speaker 3:A little over that. There you go.
Seth Holehouse:Well, thank you.
Speaker 3:And that's fine. If you don't like it, you can I must say if you order more than one box, you order three boxes or six boxes or something and then you don't like it, We make you ship back all but the first box to get your money back because otherwise, we couldn't afford to do that? But if you buy a whole box, a twelve day challenge or a whole box, you don't have to ship anything back. And then it's just just an email or a phone call, anything like that, and you can contact us anyway. Unlike some websites that you may find, we make it easy to contact us and easy to return.
Speaker 3:And, you know, I find there are so many we get we get customers who will call and they'll say, I've only ordered, twelve days supply or a one month supply. Am I gonna get a am I gonna get a box every month? I don't wanna sign up for anything. Don't don't worry. You're not gonna get any more unless you actually order it.
Speaker 3:And if you don't want it, just let us know and we will stop. Because I I don't like companies that do business that way even though so many of them do, but I I don't. You know, the the whole the whole reason that the company exists is to is to provide for the needs of a customer. That's my father was a grocer, you know, and he he never made a lot of money. They gave him a chance right after World War II, he was invited to buy into a New York franchise of a large potato chip maker.
Speaker 3:And he said, nah, I don't want to sell junk food. So he never he never got rich. And, you know, and I don't I don't really care about that either. It's just this is a vehicle. And then, you know, more people buy, you know, more of the profits then can be plowed into talking about it on shows like yours and others.
Speaker 3:And more people know about it, and that's how it grows. But it's still it will probably still take, I don't know how long, maybe another ten or twenty years before everybody realizes that it's not just inflammation, it's glycine. It is that simple fundamental amino acid that is what regulates inflammation and keeps it from acting excessively or inappropriately and and keeps you healthy in so many ways. So it keeps it it it me healthy, certainly, and and my whole family is you know? But that's that's that's about it.
Speaker 3:That's that's the story. And more and more is being discovered, by the way, about inflammation, that it's a graded response. It goes everywhere from from a, you know, a rifle shot to a nuclear weapon that these macrophages could do. It was just discovered recently in the last year or two. Was just published, I think, in 2022 that there is this kind of when the when the immune system goes nuclear, when these macrophages actually they sort of blow up
Speaker 2:and
Speaker 3:create a maximal maximal response, which is a very dire response. It should only happen in a very severe disease. And it happens a lot when people, especially the elderly, they go into what's called sepsis where there's an infection in the bloodstream, and they go into what's called septic shock, which only has about a twenty percent survival rate when you go into septic shock, give you IV antibiotics and so on, but often it's not enough because the inflammation is so destructive. And guess what they recently discovered? Not only does glycine control as a trigger lock, the first step in inflammation, but the last step too by a separate mechanism.
Speaker 3:They didn't know what what it was. It was thought to be nonspecific, the end stage kind of nuclear weapon of inflammation, but, no, it's a regulated process that is that is regulated by glycine. And, you know, it's funny. It's in the literature, but when when does it become common knowledge even among scientists? Circles.
Speaker 3:This often takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. In the meantime, I I started this company in order specifically to make it available to people so that you can you can try it or not try. You can believe it or not believe it. You can do whatever you want, but it's available. So I invite you all to try sweetamine risk free and see what it does for you.
Speaker 3:You can't hurt.
Seth Holehouse:Well, doctor Brin, thank you so much for what you've done, and thank you for your time today. And, again, the URL, I'll put it in the description, mysweetamine.com/seth. So, doctor Bren, thank you. Take care. God bless.
Seth Holehouse:Have a Okay.
Speaker 3:Thanks again for having me.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you. Folks, perhaps you'd agree with me when I say that over the past five years, the mainstream health care system's credibility has plummeted. Alternative health care systems that aren't beholden to medical consensus or big pharma are on the rise. Sweetamine is time tested and proven to boost your life with better health. It's one of the leading products that helps with inflammation and daily aches and pains.
Seth Holehouse:Just because you get older, it doesn't mean you have to feel old. And folks, did you know that most of the diseases that make people sick and die these days are rooted in chronic inflammation, oftentimes due to glycine deficiency. So sweetamine is composed mainly of the amino acid glycine, the nutrient that the immune system uses to regulate inflammation. So with once daily sweetamine, most people feel the reduction in pain after just a few days. So I challenge you to the twelve day Sweetamine challenge to fight inflammation and take control of your health today.
Seth Holehouse:So folks, buy Sweetamine online at sweetamine.com, or call 855 That's (855) 438-7933. And make sure you use promo code Seth, s e t h, to get a nice discount on your purchase.