The Meat Mafia Podcast

Today on the show we speak to Dr. Isaac Jones, regarding the need to revolutionize healthcare with holistic, personalized, and preventative methods. The key topics discussed include:

- Evolving from symptom-based medicine to a holistic, whole-person healthcare model.
- Embracing personalized, inside-out healthcare over one-size-fits-all treatments.
- Insurance and healthcare systems pivoting towards natural, preventative approaches.
- Advocating for systemic healthcare reform to prioritize prevention and curb pharmaceutical dominance.
- Tackling health issues at their roots—diet, lifestyle—rather than relying on drugs.

Dr. Isaac Jones is a leading health expert and founder of Health Experts Alliance, dedicated to revolutionizing healthcare through holistic and personalized approaches. Overcoming ADHD and dyslexia with alternative therapies, he now empowers doctors to embrace true healthcare, focusing on the body's innate healing abilities. Dr. Jones pioneered hybrid virtual practices as early as 2009, enhancing patient outcomes and reducing burnout among healthcare providers. He also has the second lowest Dunpay score in the world at 0.62, which measures in one year, how many years are you aging.

Timestamps:

(00:02) Revolutionizing Healthcare With Dr. Isaac
(14:38) Holistic Approach to Personalized Healthcare
(21:02) Transforming Healthcare Through Education and Innovation
(30:25) Revolutionizing Natural Health Data and Funding
(43:25) Revolutionizing Healthcare Policy and Practices
(52:42) Revolutionizing Healthcare for Future Generations
(01:01:27) Interviewing Attendees at Healthcare Conference


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When you listen to our podcast, you will hear stories and conversations from people working on the fringes of the food and healthcare system to address the major crises overshadowing modern society: how do we become healthy again?

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Dr. Isaac Jones
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[00:00:00] Dr. Isaac, welcome to the meat mafia podcast.

Pumped to have you. So happy to be here, Harry. Thank you so much. Rumor has it you were just on with Ben Greenfield. Uh, sounds like that was a great combo. Oh, it's great. Yeah, we laugh a lot. Had a lot of fun. He was, he was poking fun at me. I was poking fun at him, but you know, it was, it was really good. And we got a lot of really good information delivered as well.

Like we will today. You guys are such inspirations. Just. Like truly spearheading this movement around thinking about health and wellness differently. Like, I truly commend, you know, Ben and people like yourself for not being afraid to think about things differently. I know it's, it's probably really challenging, um, for most people to approach these topics that you guys are talking about, but it's really, it just seems like the way that the puck is moving.

Is so much more in line with what you guys are talking about in terms of getting people healthier than what the traditional systems have in place. So I just wanted to commend you before we get into it on that. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. I [00:01:00] mean, I, we see it every day. We see truth every day with like the people we're working with and the doctors that we're coaching.

And, you know, I know Ben has clients and I, I see so many people's like diseases reverse and. You know, challenges, reverse and energy transform and they get six pack abs and the women, you know, are upgraded and it's like, you know, how can you not like be an evangelist of this type of health care when you like know what's alive from what's true?

You know what I'm saying? Totally, totally. Yeah, once you see the light, it's hard to, it's hard to play for the other team. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I would love on that note. I would love to hear about your experience just in the medical system and what you've seen over the last decade plus in terms of change.

You talked about how you were plugged in with Tim Ferriss pretty early on. And I was a [00:02:00] consumer like in college, just binging off Tim Ferriss's content. It seems like the things that he was talking about then are still like, almost pioneering concepts now. Um, it's cool to see that they're getting more mainstream, but I would love to just hear from your perspective.

What have you seen shift in the last decade or so from a health perspective? I think what happened for me, like when I was a kid, I was diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia, and I just went down the same path that everyone else did. You know, you get on medications, you get, I got put in special needs to get extra time to take tests.

I was still in the normal classes when we weren't test taking, but I was in special needs to get that extra time. And, you know, my mom didn't know any better. The traditional model is like, hey, just take this medication to cover up this symptom. They don't really understand the biological systems approach to, uh, holistic and vitalistic health care that truly transforms lives.

And so, you know, my mom [00:03:00] though, saw the side effects of these medications, which is happening to hundreds of millions of Americans and, you know, billions of people around the world where they take, you know, a medication or they get a certain procedure done, and they have this massive side effect that they don't even see the correlation.

But my, my personality was sucked out of me. I'm like this outgoing, fun loving kind of kid. And my mom saw that I was more introverted and I was a little bit more depressed. And so she's like, well, this can't, this isn't right. Like this isn't my Isaac. So she brought me to, you know, this, this, uh, uh, chiropractor, uh, naturopath, and then a functional medicine, you know, doctor, uh, this medical doctor.

And between the three of them, um, they figured out that, you know, number one, I had some gut issues going on. I had Candida overgrowth, dysregulated, you know, microbiome, my diet wasn't the best, even though. You know, I grew up a relatively poor family and we ate everything. [00:04:00] You know, from home, I'd still enjoy Skittles.

I'd still enjoy Oreos, still enjoy Fruit Loops, you know, things of that nature. And that is directly connected to, you know, ADHD with all the, you know, blue and the yellow coloring and things of that nature. Um, and then, you know, working with these people to realign my nervous system, like literally transform my ability to function.

I was getting C's and F's in class and all of a sudden after three months of working with these people, like my whole body brain elevated, I started getting straight A's in class and that was kind of like the, wow. Like the awakening to like, this is the model that I want to be like, you know, educating it and working in for the rest of my life.

So, you know, I get out there and the question was, how has it shifted the last 12 years? I mean, it is completely shifted dramatically the last few years, [00:05:00] but even 12 years ago was like a grind. Like, you had to educate people on what true health care is. We had what we call doctor's reports where people come in and they don't know what they don't know about, you know, medicine versus healthcare.

Uh, you know, traditional medicine and symptoms approach based approaches to more of a holistic or vitalistic approach. So we would kind of educate them on the differences. And then it was, it was like, you would have patients for life because they were like, how could I go back? How could I go back to, you know, I can't.

It was kind of like the. I forget if it's a blue pill or red pill moment in matrix, but it's like you swallow that red pill. Right. And all of a sudden you're like, you see the world differently. And so we had all these people swallowing red pills and they're like, okay, like I can't go back in their health transformed and so on and so forth.

But when COVID hit, it was like, there were so many people asking intelligent questions about. You know, [00:06:00] hey, should is the vaccine the only thing that we should really be, you know, integrating to transform our health and to protect ourselves against, you know, coven and intelligent people were asking intelligent questions and coming up with intelligent answers.

You know, uh, conclusions. And that's where I think the, the, the great awakening has taken place. And there's more and more people now that are waking up than ever before to more of this movement of true healthcare. That's going to revolutionize the world. It's so cool seeing the number of doctors, doctors specifically, I think there's an upswell in general, but just doctors who are empowered now to start thinking differently.

Is that something that you're seeing? I know you work, um, you know, have founded a health experts Alliance. Are you seeing that surge on the front lines of just people who are like, Hey, there's a different model of healthcare out there that we can wrap our heads around and start actually [00:07:00] providing a service that works?

Yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, I pioneered Health Experts Alliance and started putting on events for doctors, um, and masterminds and coaching to help doctors understand the modern day approaches to health care. Now, we have a disrupt clinical event in the spring and a disrupt business event in the fall. So it's like.

We're all about disrupting health care because it's actually disease care, and we need to create a new model that is again going to help revolutionize the practice of health care in the doctor's offices and the health coaches offices and whatever, uh, you know, whoever the practitioner is.

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And we're seeing just revolutionary results, um, because of the philosophical approach to health care, but also the systematic business.

growth and scaling strategies that you just aren't taught in medical school. You're not taught in chiropractic, you know, college, [00:08:00] you're not taught in naturopathic university, et cetera. So it's, it's unfortunate, but, um, this is a movement that's taking place where we're helping to modernize the, the doctor of the future.

And they're, they're now, you know, the top 1 percent of the practitioners that are cash pay practitioners out there. Amazing. I definitely, I want to come back and circle back to this topic, but I'm really interested in your mom's approach to figuring out a solution for you because it seemed like she had that motherly instinct of like, I can either go down the conventional path with my child who's showing signs of struggling with ADHD.

Or I can go find some people who might give me some unexpected answers, but I'm willing to try. What do you think that was about her? Where she was just like, Hey, let's try something unconventional. She like had such a deep love for me and her kids. We have seven brothers [00:09:00] and sisters. So a lot of kids in the family, but I mean, she just loves us so much and she just wants the best for us.

And when, when she, You know, her dad was, uh, um, an executive, a big, you know, pharmaceutical company in Montreal, Canada called Burroughs and Welcome that got bought by GlaxoSmithKline. And I mean, he was entrenched in pharma. So she grew up seeing him being addicted to drugs, him being addicted to these different things, and then unfortunately dying from an overdose.

of these medications later on, uh, in her teens, or I guess early on in her teens, I think she was 13. And so she, she was like firsthand questioning because she had her own father die of an overdose. And she was like, okay, like what, what, what, like there's gotta be a better way than just taking Adderall or, you know, taking Accutane for your acne and having [00:10:00] This synthetic vitamin A, like, you know, create eczema all over my face, but also take away my acne.

It's like, oh, my acne's gone, but now I've got rashes all over my body, you know? So, um, I think it was like her just seeing and caring and having, and honestly think that the model of the future is being driven by moms that are compassionate towards their children. You know, it's like they already carry the purse strings of America around health care, but like when they see their child develop a neurodevelopment developmental disorder after, you know, uh, you know, some sort of a vaccine or procedure, or they're, you know, they're, they, they develop some sort of a challenge.

You know, like they they're compassionate. They ask questions, right? They may not even be anti vax. They not may not even be like against the medical system. They're just asking questions because their child got harmed. And it's not like, you know, my mom and dad moved away from medicine because I know that they, you know, use aspirin for [00:11:00] pain or whatever still.

So, you know, but they, they asked intelligent questions around like, Hey, is there a better way that could work for my son who's now been diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia and is in special needs? And as soon as they picked a different path, all of a sudden there's this massive upgrade in my brain function to the point where I was like, I knew I was smart.

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And I, when I was on all these medications and struggling in school, there was a side of me that was like, am I stupid? Cause I feel stupid, but I know that I'm intelligent and I've had glimpses of intelligence, but I have a hard time communicating with other kids. And then all of a sudden it was like a light switch was turned on in a dark room

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and it started with her being like, look, I want to be open to a conversation that is, you know, it is an important conversation to have that, you know, that, that could challenge my, my upbringing and, [00:12:00] and everything that I know about, about what I thought healthcare to be.

And all of a sudden. It worked out right. It didn't just work out like I ended up getting an international economic scholarship. I was on the national Dean's list list. My dean of the university let me double up on classes. So I was a doctor at 24 years old, so it was like, but but I see how many more little Isaacs are there out there right now that are being suppressed and depressed by the current quote unquote health care system.

That's a disease care system. That's propagating all these lies. That is holding these children back from their greatness. So that's what I really want to help doctors like go out there and change the world, uh, build brands, build businesses that serve and transform people's lives. . That's incredible. Uh, I just, it, it's so interesting.

I mean, you mentioned the A DHD medications with Accu or, uh, sorry. Um, Adderall, you mentioned Accutane, which I personally took Yeah. In high [00:13:00] school and know the struggles of what it's like to, one, have acne two take the pills that are also just loaded with side effects that they talk about. But, you know, looking back, I was, I'm like.

If you just looked at my diet, you would know exactly why I had acne. There was clear, like at home I was eating the right things, but at school lunch, I was eating potato chips and nachos and loading up on sugary chocolate milk, so many things that were contributing to the acne that weren't being addressed before the conversation of.

Well, let's just give them Accutane. So that hits home for me. But I'm curious. So you said the moms of America are where this problem starts to change. And I'm curious, how would you kind of convey that message to them? There's two, basically two routes, right? Is that, is that kind of how you would describe it?

Like more of a pharmaceutical approach? Treat the problems versus treat the underlying issues. Uh, yeah, like [00:14:00] philosophically they call it a DIO, right? Above, down, inside and out. It's a, it's an approach of like, you believe that there's an amazing creator that created your body. That, you know, put an intelligence in your body or what they call an innate healing and regulating power that when you allow for there to be no interferences with that innate healing and regulating power, and you allow for that, You know, because here's the thing.

If you cut your hand. You don't need a supplement or a medication for that cut to heal. Like there's already an intelligence in your body that, that, that creates that cut

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to heal, uh, you know, naturally that's the innate intelligence of your body, but the, the, the modern science.

It's all about essentially a hammer and nail approach where if you have a symptom, we're going to cover up the, the, the symptom like a duct tape over an oil light on, on a car and if you use the duct tape, yes, you cannot see the oil light [00:15:00] signal anymore on the car, right? It's, it's, it's completely out, but did you actually address the underlying cause?

Right. The Accutane, did it address you and I eating Skittles at lunch? You know, like, no, it didn't. And so, that's, that's the, that's the challenge. So we want to, you know, the approach is, okay, how can we work with the innate healing and regulating potential of the body? How can we, um, work inside out of the body, allowing for the body to, you know, Um, you know, release its its intelligence at the highest level and then when you work with the body.

You know, then you create an end of one approach, which is the future of health care. The medical system is a, what they call a, um, uh, a population based system. So if you took 100, 000 people and gave them, um, you know, let's say, uh, uh, uh, uh, Vioxx, right. Or, or, uh, [00:16:00] you know, different type of, of, of heart disease medication.

Let's say, You know, 1, 000 of the 100, 000 people die, right? Or have a major side effect. Well, that's only 1 percent right of the 100, 000 people. So you could say, oh, like, only 100, 000 people or 1 percent of people will have severe effects with this particular medication and then, you know, 99 percent of people, uh, you know, are fine.

And, you know, there could be 30 percent have that have other lesser side effects or whatever, but like you are taking a, a pill based off of population based data that may not be specific to what your child needs or what you need. So, the approach is, you know, population based or personalization based.

You want to take a personalized approach, always right that's the end of one approach that's a, that's the future of healthcare and have one is. Is like a study that is done on one person. [00:17:00] So it's kind of like a healthcare approach that's done for that one individual. And that's what I, my parents didn't have a whole lot of money growing up.

My dad was a janitor. My mom didn't really work much. Um, and, and. The bottom line is they like still brought me to these doctors that these doctors still helped me and it was an end of one approach and it completely transformed my life and I'm so grateful for them. So the second thing is, do you want to work with the innate intelligence of the body or do you want to work against it by taking something from the outside?

In or work, you know, from the inside out and align yourself with the already intelligent, like incredible intelligence of the body. I'm a part of this 50, 000 a year. Um, mastermind where we bring together, it's a clinical mastermind, bring together all these research scientists and doctors to talk about the future of healthcare and specific to like regenerative medicine and longevity.

And what was so interesting is we talked to the smartest guy [00:18:00] who has discovered all these things about the mitochondria and how to reverse age. And he's like, this is all that we know about the mitochondria. And it was a lot. It was like, whoa, there's so many things that we know about the mitochondria.

He's like, this is what we don't know about the mitochondria. And it was like, It was so overwhelming how much we don't know that we don't know about the mitochondria that I was like, Oh my gosh. And it just made me realize like, we think we're smart, but our bodies are way smarter than what even scientists are saying is the thing to do.

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Right? So you just have to be aware that there's so much more that we still don't know about what we don't know about, about the human body, about biochemical pathways. Um, that, that, that we have to like, really be aware of. And the last thing I'll say is that, you know, when you do one thing in the body, it, it, it, it's not like a car, right?

A mechanistic approach is like, look, my engine is, is, is starting to sputter. I'm gonna replace the engine, right? [00:19:00] Or my tire is flat, I'm gonna re replace the tire. Well, in the human body, if you affect the heart, you affect the brain. If you affect the gut, you affect the lungs. You know, like there's so many interconnectivities within the body.

That is the vitalistic holistic approach to healthcare that all the, the, the, the, the mothers of the world should be thinking about. So, you know, customized, personalized approach, um, you know, inside out versus outside in approach, as well as vitalistic holistic approach versus a reductionistic, um, mechanistic approach to health.

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I love it on that last point. I'm really curious about this because I think it's an underlying issue across so many different systems in our society today, whether it's the education system or the agricultural system food system. I just see the higher education system that we've created today puts. Our students in silos and vacuums and gets them to go approach a [00:20:00] problem from that mechanistic standpoint.

So when you do put them in a arena where they're asked to look at the whole body in its totality, They don't see it in that way. They only have learned it through this mechanistic approach is vacuum. And so i'm wondering do you have any thoughts on how to unpack? The damage that we've done from an educational standpoint in terms of setting our doctors up to not really understand the whole body.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, it's, it's such a good question because when I, when I launched health experts Alliance, it was giving business training to doctors to go out and help, you know, transform more lives. And then we would get a lot of, you know, hospitalists and surgeons and cardiologists and bariatric surgeons and all these different, uh, uh, doctors from the medical space.

And I would show them the business training, but if they didn't have context for the philosophical approach [00:21:00] to health, they didn't, they really can't generate a good business model. Um, that's outside of the traditional system. So they have to rewire how they think about, um, health because in they're literally in their school system, they get like one or two hours of nutrition education.

Like, like think about how crazy that is. In their intake forms, they don't have any questions about nutrition or hydration, which like half of America is dehydrated. They're not drinking enough water. Right? So then we're thinking, you're thinking like, okay, like maybe person's depression or their, um, their, their heart disease and, and, and their high cholesterol could be just related to the fact that they're drinking coffee all day with a bunch of sugar in it and dairy.

Okay. You know, and they're not drinking enough water. Like that's a simple thing, right? But they don't even have that on their intake forms and they're not even educated on it. The fact that 70 percent of our bodies made up of water, like [00:22:00] that's ridiculous. So, you know, there's, there's a lack of nutritional education.

There's a lack of. Of just common sense kind of education around natural, not natural health, it's true health. I really hate this whole concept of natural and alternative when it's actually health care. They're the ones that are the alternative. This is like medicine has been new quote unquote disease symptoms based care that has come to it.

To fruition the last, like, you know, 50 to a hundred years. You know what I'm saying? Like true healthcare has been going on for like. Thousands of years and and and it's this ancient kind of approach that we're continuing to learn about. And then now we're combining it with cutting edge science. And it's like, you can't once you see something you can't unsee it.

Once you see somebody reversed from stage four cancer. And reverse from heart disease and, and, and severe depression and being suicidal to like being the happiest person alive, you can't unsee that [00:23:00] stuff.

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Right. So it's like, this is the model of the future that we, we, we have to educate them on and we have to create curriculum.

Like we have at health experts alliance to show people, you know, how we can educate the masses on this new model of healthcare. And guess what? That's what people are looking for. This mass awakening that happened at past COVID, uh, you know, post COVID, this is what people want. Right. Hmm. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like.

You know, most of my friends at this point, they're entering their early thirties there they've seen, or have experienced maybe the negative side effects of having their health start to slip. You know, they're not in their college, uh, post college years anymore. They're well into their early adulthood. And if they haven't been taking care of themselves, it's starting to show.

So, you know, even that demographic of people, I feel like it's just. It's there's a message out there that's really empowering [00:24:00] that puts the power in the individual's hands, gives them information to act on and really make them the CEO of their own health. But I still just look at the system as a whole and and part of me is, like, do we need to go in there and fix this old?

Decaying system or is there like a parallel system out there that is just going to have to emerge like, um, is it going into this old system and making the changes or is it, hey, let's just build something and make them conform to this new model. Well, I mean, that's what I'm working on right now, right?

Like. I, I, I've been dreaming of a new model and how we can bring it to the world for years and how we can put research behind it so that there's so much like evidence behind what we do. And the challenge with the, the, the true healthcare model, which is, you know, people would say is the, the natural health space.[00:25:00]

Is that it's fragmented, you know, it's, it's like everyone's shooting each other because they want the biggest brand or whatever. They're not working together. If you look at the American Medical Association and, you know, the, the, the big pharma, which is like a nonprofit that like, Is designed to like mass educate the masses around what all these pharmaceutical companies are doing.

That's, that's what you call unity. That's what you call like an engine for like complete, like an utter, like, like domination. And so we ultimately need to do that. If we're going to, if, and, and, and honestly, I feel like the, I feel like a lot of capital partners In the pharma space, see this mass shift away from, um, disease care and into, into longevity based care and wellness and preventative care.

And so you're already seeing, um, insurance models, um, that, you know, I think there's some [00:26:00] sort of a government, I believe Donald Trump put together this, This plan where, where insurance companies can't profit a certain amount. So then what the insurance companies did, um, like Blue Cross and Blue Shield and United and all these is they, they, they created sister companies and the sister companies, if it takes, uh, 15, 000 a year to treat a diabetic patient, they give the 15, 000 to another sister company and the sister company's goal is to use.

whatever means necessary to try to, uh, essentially, uh, um, uh, transform the diabetics patient's life using, using like whatever they possibly can. So they're experimenting with all these natural strategies. And then the goal is if they only spend 10, 000 healing this person or helping change and transform this person's life.

And they, they, they can keep the 5, 000. So these sister companies [00:27:00] now based off of this new kind of like policy, government policy, it, you know, are, is actually moving more towards this. This more natural route. Medicare created a program called Medicare Advantage or Medicaid Advantage. And it's, it's like now inclusive of chiropractic and naturopathic and kind of functional medicine.

So there are changes that are being made, but what I, what I'm going to be doing is I'm going to be launching a brand that, you know, builds. These, uh, these research centers that are resorts, longevity, wellness resorts. I'll have 3 main ones, 1 in Asia, 1 in Europe and 1 in America and we're going to just pump out the most advanced research on what is actually happening.

Um, within people's bodies when they use these amazing healing technologies and live a specific lifestyle and eat, you know, healthy food and in good [00:28:00] meat and all these other things. Um, and, and then we, we will, we'll, we'll launch probably another 10 different resorts and hotels around the world, um, with, with, with wellness, real estate attached to it.

And. You know, the goal is collect data, get data so that we can prove to the world this model works and this, this, this true health approach is the best way to prevent heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's, uh, and even reverse various diseases and disorders as I know, you know, I've, I've proven in, um, you know, my private practice, but on a mass level, I want to do, uh, that to create that new model, if you would.

That's so awesome. Yeah, it's really cool. Just seeing the macro level trends. It's like tectonics. You just see slowly how the world is starting to move and you mentioned the money component of that and it's really interesting to see these new insurance models start to pop up. I didn't really know too much about that [00:29:00] sister.

Um, model, um, with those companies popping up adjacent to insurance companies. But I've come across a few really cool brands. Like, um, there's one called crowd health, who's a supporter of our show and they're all about crowdfunding for sharing healthcare costs. And it's just such a cool and an innovative way to start promoting the proper incentives around healthcare.

And it really. I think it just like puts the insurance, not that, you know, that industry is still really small, but I think it just puts the pressure back on these insurance providers to start to create. change or their, their business is going to become more and more challenging in the future because it's just predicated on such a toxic cycle.

So it's cool to just see these companies pop up. Oh yeah. It's, it's, it's a movement right now. And if you go to Some of these research websites that's showing the trends of where health care is going. [00:30:00] It's towards us. It's like not towards us in a small number amount of money. It's like in the trillions of dollars.

It's moving towards us. So this is the best time in history to be in the natural health space. I believe it's the biggest wealth transfer that's happening right now. Whether there's a down economy or up economy, it doesn't matter in natural health. You know, there's this huge, you know, financial shift happening towards regenerative longevity, preventative health care.

And again, I think, you know, cobit was, was a good thing that happened. Around it wasn't good, obviously, but it was good to wake people up and create, like, a, you know, a mass. Awakening of individuals that are starting to think differently about health. I love it.

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Yeah. One of the things you mentioned earlier, you were talking about data and funding studies, and then you were also [00:31:00] talking about N of one and treating people, treating the person for the person.

Yeah. And I just, I see this world of data and research papers that is really interesting to me. Like it seems like there's this whole school of, um, just higher education that's funding publications. Like the growth of publications over the last two decades is And it makes me think that we're like overdating, we're over indexing to certain data and some of it is becoming saturated and we're not looking at that end of one approach in a way where we're really like experimental and trying to get to more root cause data.

Um, and I just, I wonder like with what you're talking about with this more, um, Just honestly, it's like more of a capitalistic approach, like getting that data. Um, it seems like that will bear a lot of really good fruit and information, but that challenge of getting that data, [00:32:00] like I know the natural, the natural medicine community has struggled to get funding for so long.

Um, it's cool. Just, you know, I think if those, few studies that come out that can start to really incentivize people to pay attention to these natural studies that would really, I think, spark something powerful. Um, because all these studies are just funded by pharmaceutical, the pharmaceutical industry.

It's like funny. My friend comes out to me. He's like, Hey, did you see this, this study on How seed oils are, are good for you and how, uh, arachidonic acid and, and, and elevated Omega 6 isn't actually that bad. And I was like, first of all, I I'm telling you right now that that's a bogus. They're like, it's a meta study of 80 other studies.

I said, first of all, it's a bogus study. I'm like, I don't need to even look at it to tell you that it's bogus because I've personally worked with clients that have done pre and post, um, Blood tests on their omega three to six ratio. And [00:33:00] when we balance their mega six ratio, and that's all we can do.

Cause maybe they're challenged with their money or whatever with their funds. It's like they're they, they, they lose 40 pounds. They're depression leaves, they're off all their Medicaid. It's like one thing, right? Like, and I'm like, I've seen it so many times now that I can tell you that those research articles have been supported and funded.

And I'm like, I know it's 80 research articles. It's hard to believe that there's 80 research articles that have been funded. By the canola oil industry or the vegetable oil industry, but there's probably tens of thousands of them out there. That industry is that lucrative. They can fund those studies.

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Exactly. You know, like you said, well, it's a meta study and I'm like, all right. And then, and then they come to me, they're like, Hey, Isaac, the very first thing that I saw was the source of the people that built this particular meta study. And it was a paleo person. The reason why, you know, [00:34:00] she had brought it to me was because it was like a, you know, this really popular paleo person that was like, I'm going to debunk the fact that You know, make it three and six ratios are a thing and you don't really need to worry about it anymore.

And seed oils are actually not that bad. I'm like, what the frick is this person smoking?

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So, you know, I, and, and then, so she says to me, she's like, Oh my gosh, like. The people that funded this research and the people that were behind this research are the same ones behind these big pharma companies and these big food company.

I'm like, yeah, I told you. I'm like, so research, there's a book called, I think it's called the cure of all disease. It was written by, um, the chief research, uh, um, uh, person for Canada health. He lives in Alberta, and I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that he has in his book, but one thing that I found really interesting was he said that like 95 percent of research is inaccurate and false.

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And, like, even when they come out with, like, you know, conclude conclusive study based off of, like, this big analysis that he did, and that, like, it really did make sense to me. And as to the biases in the research and the people that are funding. And then a personal anecdotal, uh, story is I was, uh, my student, I was, uh, I was a, um, student ambassador for my school and I would give people tours of my school as this top health and wellness university in America called Life University.

And I would give these people tours of my school. So this girl I was giving a tour to was a PhD in immunology Harvard. That had built this research company, or was the head of a research, um, uh, like facility facility that did all this research for big pharma. And I was like, why are you here? Like, you're an immunologist.

You already have a Ph. D. from Harvard. Like, why, why would you come to life? She's just like, I've seen, [00:36:00] she's like, so many atrocity, atrocities in the process of, Getting pure data and research. She's like, I'm trying to get good data and they'll shut a study down if they don't see what, uh, that, that it's giving them what they want.

She's like, I will, they will also incentivize our company to change the data and to get different data. Like. And manipulate the data. So she's like, I'm just, I feel like I was just being paid to be a professional liar and that's why I'm here. And I was like, wow, that's crazy.

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My, my wife, last thing is my wife was a farmer rep for GlaxoSmithKline.

And she said that they would tell her to, to, they would tell her like, look, as a sales rep, when you go into those doctor's offices, um, you know, you've got, you're going up against Bayer products. You're going up against, um, Pfizer products. But they said, they said, look, [00:37:00] the best story wins. We have to get better at storytelling than everyone else.

So it's not about the data. It's not. It's about the emotion of the stories that the sales reps can tell the doctors when they go into the offices to manipulate the doctors, to, to, to prescribe their medication, right? Like, isn't that crazy? It really is. It's, it's really hard too, because what, when I view it from the outside, looking in, you see well intentioned people, like the lady you're talking about being captured in a system that's basically just.

Like telling her to do unethical things. And a lot of people I think get stuck in that and they don't necessarily really realize what they're doing is wrong. Um, and it's just these massive incentives that sit on the other side of it, where it's so profitable to have these studies, they can go out and sell the thing that they're trying to sell.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Unfortunately, it's. It's a, it's a [00:38:00] beast of a system that does need to be revolutionized, which is what we're doing as a, as a tribe. My, the reason why I called my company health experts alliance is because I wanted an alliance of leaders that are pioneering the future of healthcare together, and that's exactly what we're doing.

We've already seen a billion dollars just in exits of companies that were just doctors in practice that came up with a new innovative idea. That turned out to be 100 million plus dollar idea and it's, you know, transforming so many X number of lives in the world. It's, it's really cool to see that. Wow.

Yeah, I imagine the world that you're envisioning from your perspective at Health Experts Alliance is 1 where if we can just start to see some of the existing system get shaken up and have a few people who are really leading the charge. Yeah. On this idea of decentralizing medicine and putting the power back in the patient's hand and giving them the right [00:39:00] information.

Like, we can really start to see people get healthy again. Yes. And it's so exciting because that opportunity, like you were saying before, you were saying there's a lot of fragmentation in this alternative space of just this. This new model, but if a few big groups can just see that we're going to go from this being like 1 percent of the industry to it's going to have to become over 50 percent in order to see the change that we want to see.

So you're on the right ride. It's just a matter of, um, you know, accelerating it so that people can see that this is the way. And I think that happens through, um, cohesion and like working together. Oh my gosh. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It's, it's, it's people working together, which is what I'm starting to do and building kind of a network of various companies that are working together to, to, to help change and transform healthcare.

And the other thing is, is, is also, [00:40:00] um, being better than the rest of them. Right. If you look at like, if you, if you were to, if I were to say, Hey, if you could go to a one star hotel versus a five star hotel, you would choose a five star hotel. When you go to a hospital, what kind of an experience do you get?

One star experience. So, like, let's give you're paying for a 5 star experience. Exactly. And you're paying for a 5 star. Oh, yeah, we are mega paying for a 5 star experience in the medical look at expenses in the medical system. I mean, it's, it's like a 5 trillion dollars of our GDP that goes to quote unquote disease care.

And if you look at that broken down to each human in, in America, I mean, it's just insane how much money we spend on disease care and look at our results. We're the worst in all the industrialized nations, according to the World Health Organization, you know, for so many different categories. And it's like, what's all this money, you know, spending, doing.

It's, it's not doing us any good. It's actually like killing people. [00:41:00] So, you know, the, the, the, the bottom line is. You know, we need to come together. We need to form an alliance. Uh, we need to develop strategies and systems to help make the world a much healthier place, but also doctors need to embrace something that happened during COVID, which is the virtualization of health care.

Mass virtualization. They're like, okay, people are going to go back to coming into the office. No, patients are actually wanting virtual doctors. Patients are wanting their practitioners that have brick and mortars to virtualize. And so the people that are not doing that are being left behind. And if you see what's going on in the chatter from the World Health Organization to magazines that are coming out on Apple News, It's like, they're talking already about the next big shutdown.

They're talking about the next big, Oh, we're going to have to do a mega shutdown for this or for that. And I'm just like, you know, we have to be prepared to be [00:42:00] able to work with patients, no matter what the heck. You know, the world throws at us and gets thrown at us like we need to be nimble and understand the modernization of health care is here and we need to understand AI.

We need to understand the integration of virtualization. So we can see and the kind of cool thing about it for the doctor is they make more money and they actually are more efficient with patients. Um, and the people that they're serving because there's all these automations in place and it's not so much manual labor in office.

And so it's an exciting time, I think, for doctors because they create more freedom for themselves. They create better results for the people that they're serving. And they're also being able to generate more revenue and more money, um, because they're able to get better outcomes and, and, and see people more efficiently.

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Do you also, one of the things that I've heard a few times in the show is that doctors are really dealing with a large amount of burnout. And I [00:43:00] know that just from having friends who are doctors, the industry is really tough. Like people are being asked to do things that. You know, they're, they signed up for, but they're just incredibly challenging and they're not even able to get into the depth of the care that they want to get into because they have to see so many different patients.

And I wonder if the telemedicine business in general is just this unlocked to like, make it more of a spirit driven, uh, approach to healthcare where it's like, I can actually serve my patient and give them what they need. This is both for medical doctors and for natural health doctors. We're like slaves to the nine to five.

We're slaves to grinding. We're slaves to overworking burnout. Um, that's exactly what happened to me after the first two years of practice. I built one of the largest practices in the world and we had thousands of patients a week that were coming in to see us and I got burned out because I was just like, Holy cow, like.[00:44:00]

I can't keep keep up with this pace of serving the amount of people that need to be served that want to to get my care. So I had to revolutionize the way that I was even working. So I pioneered virtual practice and hybrid brick and mortar virtual practices back in 2009, and all of a sudden I started to get way better results with people.

Um, my, my, uh, my, my, my, my My overwhelm and stress like completely went away. My health took off. And as a doctor, you want to be healthy to get other people healthy, right? Like right now, my done pay score is a 0. 62, which is the second best score in the world. Um, I was talking to, to Ben Greenfield about this on his podcast.

He's like, bro, he's like, I'm 0. 68. He's like, I thought that was good. You know? What does that score mean? It's, it's how many, uh, years in one year, right? How many years [00:45:00] are you aging? So I'm aging point 0. 2, six, two years. The best score in the world right now is 0. 58 years. Wow. And I think like, you know, Dave Asprey is like 0.

7 something. Ben Greenfield's 0. 68. So the people that are really intentional about longevity and health. They can get down into like the sixes, um, or the sevens, but it's very rare to be like, you know, at 0.66 or 0.65 or 0.64. And so, um, you know, I was, I was, uh, I was told, I I've, I'm the second quote unquote best done score in the, in the World done pay score.

So it just, it just shows like. The things that I've been able to do for my health. Like if I kept going burned out the way that I was the first couple of years of practice, I would literally be like a shell of myself right now, probably gray hair, receding hairline or whatever. And there's nothing wrong with that, by the way, if you have gray hair and receding hairline, but, [00:46:00] um, but, but I'm just saying like, I would age faster, right?

Like I would have aged a lot faster. And thankfully I'm, you know, I've got four kids. I homeschool. Uh, I run, you know, eight figure, uh, companies. I, you know, I'm able to, you know, chase my dreams of being able to build a, you know, 10 figure plus, you know, brand that's going to revolutionize healthcare and I've got a lot of capital partners around me that, that will, uh, look to supporting me and doing that right now.

So. There's, there's like, but you need energy and vitality and health to do that. You know what I'm saying? A hundred percent. And it's, it's funny too. Like I, I entered the world of entrepreneurship, uh, two years ago, uh, starting the show two and a half years ago. That's awesome. Thank you. But you see it with founders of like any business, just like your health is the bedrock that energy that you can pour into your business is irreplaceable.

So if you're not protecting that [00:47:00] and actually fueling it with the right things, like, um, you know, Brett and I, my business partner and co host, we talk about it all the time. It's like, I can't imagine starting a business. From the place of like not being healthy. Cause it just takes so much to get it done, to get the job done.

And, um, you know, people, people really overlook that. And I think burnout was just all too common in the world of starting businesses. And I'm sure in the medical world, especially it's like worse. And the other thing about the medicine is that, um, most medical doctors, they delay their retirement by five to 10 years because.

Of, of the lack of financial stability they have, which is something you'd never think of, right? You'd never think that the doctors start living the doctor lifestyle. And then they, they're, they're not in a financial position to retire. And now that insurance companies are cutting them, inflation, all these other things, doctors are not making the type of money that they used to [00:48:00] make.

Right. And so unless you're getting great results with people, like all the doctors that I work with are getting. You are making more money than than ever before because we get great results with people that we're working with when we got referrals, you know, so that's the way it should be. But, you know, that that's 1 of the biggest challenges.

And then the other thing is the biggest suicide rates. If you look at all the professions, biggest suicide rates. in all the different professions are doctors, right? Um, uh, or are one of the highest. Um, and so you look at that and you're like, wow, that's, that just goes to show they're, they're not taking care of their health or mental health or physical health.

They're pushing their bodies. They're stressed. And they're burned out, like you said before. Yeah, 100%. I'm curious. So we've got an election coming up here and I'd love to just put you in the scenario. You get you get put into office. You're handed over the budget for medical spending in the U. S. What are some of the first things that you're [00:49:00] doing with that power?

Um, that ability to just reform some policy, like, what are you looking at first? I'd love to just understand kind of where we can start to make some change if, if you were put into a position to do that. Well, if I, if I stay alive, um, you know, the, the reality is that I would, I would, I would be like, Hey, look, you know, the, the, this country is the wealthiest country in the world.

And we are the sickest country out of all the industrialized nations, and we have all of these outcomes, like, um, the, the, the infant mortality rates is the number 1 worst in all the industrialized nations. Like, why are we, why are we the worst in all these different categories? It's because of the way that the system is set up.

So what I would do is I would be like, I would just rip it. I would, I would quote unquote, drain the swamp of the, of the, the medical establishment, and I would take [00:50:00] away. The, um, the ability for them to advertise on TV to manipulate the minds of, uh, people, um, to, you know, you're watching these people running through the fields and you're like, you're feeling terrible.

And you're like, you've got that condition. Say it's lupus or something. You're like, I want, you know, I, I need to get this medication. Right. And so I did like for the one medication that actually works to the 99 that are, are actually causing more damage. Right. I would, I would just pull that whole system, like, let New Zealand be the only country in the world, not just America and New Zealand to be the one that is able to directly advertise to, you know, I would also, um, take, I would, I would like literally rip through the FDA.

The FDA has, you know, all the heads of Monsanto are then working for the FDA, and then they go back and they start working [00:51:00] for Monsanto and all these pharma companies, it's like, you see this revolving door of the FDA, um, where you've got these leaders of these companies that are, you know, are also leaders of the FDA, and then they go back to being the leaders of these big mega billion dollar companies, multi billion dollar companies.

I would be like, look. From now on we are going to start funding and putting money towards what prevents disease. We're going to build the healthiest culture in America. We're going to partner with Like wearable companies to start getting, you know, data on, you know, the health of people on a regular basis and looking at their sleep and looking at their stress levels and what we can do as a government to minimize and mitigate, um, a lot of the underlying issues that cause poor sleep that cause like high levels of stress, readiness scores being really, um, poor, etc.

And then just [00:52:00] literally watch. As we change the USDA food pyramid, you know, I'd probably recruit you to help me with that. And then, and then I would, I would incentivize companies to actually produce, um, more natural strategies and ways of getting people, you know, healthy and well, if you look at the, at the, at the budget for what goes into preventative medicine, which should be what like 99 percent goes into.

It's like, it's like nothing. It is so, it's such a joke. So I would flip that on its head and I would put all, all of our efforts into what can we do to prevent cancer, not just, you know, not just, um, treat it once we have cancer. Cause Once you already have, you know, uh, uh, once you have rats infested in your house, like you, you obviously want to figure out like, well, why did the rats get in the house in the first place?

You know what I'm [00:53:00] saying? It's like, there's a hole in the wall. Why don't we close the hole in the wall? You know, those are, those are, you know, I would be putting money into preventative. Changing the FDA, changing USDA, uh, uh, system. I would also make it illegal for people like Anthony Fauci to be able to, to, to make as much money as he made during COVID because of patents that he held, et cetera, like I would, I would completely shift and transform healthcare to the point where people like this country is the happiest, healthiest country in the world.

And we are thriving at a level that we've never thrived before. And think about the productivity and the economy. If you have a country that is healthy and happy, you know, you, you have a country that is creative, innovative, [00:54:00] and economically thriving. I've, I aligned with my, one of my business coaches, uh, Dan Sullivan's from strategic coach, That said, there's not there's not any problem big enough that human innovation and creativity and collaboration and synergistic relationships working together can't solve.

And I was like, that's a beautiful way to think about it. Like, we can ultimately solve any problem. And all these quote, unquote, phony crises that are happening nowadays. You know, they can be addressed by, you know, true people standing up for truth. And, and moving towards, you know, creating a system that's actually going to address causes versus treat effects.

Dude, you've got me ready to run through a brick wall right now. Let's go. No, there's, there's just so much creative, um, Creativity that will be unlocked through fixing these health problems. [00:55:00] Like, I just think about the potential that is left on the bone with people who are struggling unbeknownst to them with underlying health conditions that are just a product of a broken system.

And if we, if, if, And it would take radical change. And and one of the things that I think is maybe I would love to get your take on this, but the paralysis around policy and health care is totally driven by a need for the data to prove. X, Y, Z. And there's just this gate kept nature to the data that makes it.

So the policy just is so behind, like we're not, we're not aggressive with the policy that we're pushing because it's, it's just underfunded and underrepresented, but it's, if you look back a hundred years ago, it's, that's how the world was and people were healthier. So, yeah, it's just, I think people are waking up to it.

I just envision a U. S. that just totally [00:56:00] transforms over the next several decades for this, like, starting with taking care of your health and just then, like, all the positive things that flow downstream of that, like, better family lives, businesses and creativity thriving, you know, people actually being happy and joyful.

Um, there's just such a spirit to good health that you really, you don't understand until you have it. So true. You know, when I did this longevity tests, um, you know, my, my, my age, my biological age, if you look at the various biological clocks of the body is 27 now in my forties. And so it's cool because, you know, we know that there are things that you can do to completely change the biological age of your body to live younger.

To look younger, to live younger so that we are, when we, we, we turn a hundred, we're, we're, we're, we're essentially turning 30 biologically. You know what I'm [00:57:00] saying? Like that would be the goal is a hundred is the new 30. And so like my friend Jeffrey Gladden says, so I, I would, I would just like. I can't imagine if we keep people healthier, longer, like, we don't have a population based issue in this world.

We have an innovation creativity based issue in this world and a, uh, a red tape government. You know, monopoly that's that's creating issues that that that's holding us back from our full potential. And so I truly believe that, you know, and by the way, like, if you look at countries like Japan, I mean, they're they're like, they have massive population problem because not many people were having babies, right?

So now they're like, Oh, my gosh, their economy could collapse in the future just because Of what's what's happening over there, but I mean, we have an opportunity to revolutionize and pioneer a new model of health care and the way [00:58:00] that we can truly live and be in the, in the health care system and. You know, and I think it's people like you.

I just want to put my hat off to you, Harry and your partner for like getting this message out there, having a platform where people can learn truth that they can learn about nutrition. They can learn about true health care. They can learn about things that that will inspire them and lift them up versus tear them down.

I mean, it is just awesome that that there's people like you out there that are doing things like this. so much. Dude, I appreciate that. That means a lot. And, um, yeah, it's just, it's so great to connect with like minded people who are looking in the same direction. Our gaze is set on a future that's optimistic that there's hope.

And, um, yeah, I just, it's so great to connect with you and, and just share this message that like, there is a path forward that is a healthier and brighter future. So appreciate you coming on today. This is great. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And if there's any, [00:59:00] um, any practitioners listening, I'd love for you to, to come out to our next Disruptive.

And if you go to healthexpertsalliance. com, and I'm sure Perry will have this in the notes, uh, just different links, but, um, we'd love for you to come to our next event. Be. Uh, around some of the top what we call 1 percent of the health business owners of the world that come to these different events.

There's a clinical one that has some business in it in the spring called Disrupt Clinical, and there's 1 in the fall called Disrupt Business that is really about business growth and disrupting the healthcare industry to be truly revolutionized. And so I'm excited to. you know, to continue to make this change and help more doctors and health professionals and health experts, you know, upgrade their businesses and their models to change and transform more lives.

But thank you again, Harry. Appreciate your time. I love it. Thank you, Dr Isaac. Appreciate it. And I'll definitely link to that [01:00:00] all that in the show notes. Um, that event is October 4th and 6th in Nashville, correct? Yes, it is. Yep. And we're selling out pretty fast. So get your tickets as quickly as you can.

And we'd love to blow your mind with what we're doing in healthcare together as an alliance. And you'll hear from Michael Hyatt, who's a New York Times bestselling author. He's going to talk about how you can become more productive. It's one of the top productivity experts out there. You're going to hear from Ben Greenfield, who wrote some just amazing, some of my favorite biohacking health books.

It's great longevity expert and biohacker. He's going to be talking about how he built his brand and all the secrets behind how he built his business. And then, and to hear some from some incredible, um, peptide and regenerative medicine experts, as well as business leaders, including myself. So appreciate it.

Awesome. I think Brett and I might try to sneak in there. So, uh, uh, maybe get some good content for you guys and go around [01:01:00] and interview some of you guys on the floor. So that I think that'd be awesome. We're going to try to get tickets. I would love it. Yes. So amazing. I love it. Well, dr. Isaac, I appreciate you.

And, uh, we'll talk soon. Cool. Thank you, brother. You too.