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Exploring the frontiers of Technology and AI
Ejaaz:
You've all heard the headlines. AI is draining our water supply.
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Data centers are stealing drinking water from the communities.
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ChatGPT is literally drying up the planet. It sounds terrifying and it's also completely fake.
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Today we're going to bust one of the biggest myths on the internet and walk
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through the actual numbers which reveal something crazy that the world's largest
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data center uses about as much water as two burger joints.
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We're going to walk you through exactly how much water is needed for the biggest
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data center in the world, Colossus 2, and why the majority of water used is
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only a fraction of the water used by your local golf club that your friends go to every weekend.
Josh:
So part of the feedback that we've seen as we become more of a presence,
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a platform in the world of AI, is that there's a lot of narratives that try to take down progress.
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And the newest and hottest topic has been the topic of water consumption,
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to the point where when I talk about with my friends about what I'm working
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on and what I'm interested in, that frequently comes up as the first rebuttal.
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It's like, this is horrible for the environment. It's using so much water, so much energy.
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And this episode, we're going to focus on the water, particularly around the
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public perception versus comparing it to the reality and how far off it really is.
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We're seeing on the screen a few headlines of people from Utah,
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very viral publications and headlines that have been talking about this.
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But the reality is, is it's simply not true.
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So we're going to methodically and in a very fun way kind of dissect how wrong
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this actually is, starting with the book that kind of spawned it all.
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The author's name is Karen Howe. No pun intended.
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She really, like Karen, Karen seems like a very fitting name as an author called
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the Empire of AI, claiming a Google data center would use 1,000 times the water
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of an 88,000 person city.
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Studies projecting AI will consume 1.7 trillion gallons of fresh water by 2027.
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These claims are a bit outrageous, but this has been the narrative that people
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have been using as they discuss their rebuttals against why AI should exist.
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And this simply is not true. And I guess this is kind of where we got skeptical.
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We were like, okay, 1.7 trillion gallons, a thousand times more than an 88,000 person city.
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These numbers are outrageously large, but they're being peddled around as if
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it is truth in these large publications.
Ejaaz:
The thing is, like, we work in the AI space, Josh.
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So trillion dollars, trillions, We're kind of like used to it at this point.
Josh:
Trillion here, trillion there.
Ejaaz:
Yeah, right. But what I wasn't used to is a trillion gallons of water.
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And the first thought I had to my head was, what is this compared to?
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Like, I can't quite comprehend how much water this is and how much water is
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used in other industries that aren't AI adjacent.
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So I started getting skeptical and I came across what I think now is the most
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important bit of journalism done on data centers by these guys at SemiAnalysis.
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They are a crazy team of researchers that kind of like dig into all the boring,
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nitty-gritty, hard data center stuff to bring us the facts about lots of different
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things, including how much water is consumed at the data center level.
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And the revealings are super interesting. But what I love most about this,
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is, Josh, is that not only is it really informative, it's also hilarious.
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Because... Oh, it's great.
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I love this post so much.
Ejaaz:
Right. They've compared data center water usage
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to burger restaurants, specifically In-N-Out. So for some context here,
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they took the largest data center in the world, which is Elon Musk's Colossus 2.
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It's a data center based in Memphis, and it is the first data center to reach a gigawatt of compute.
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We actually mentioned this on yesterday's episode. If you haven't seen it,
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definitely go check that out. It's super cool.
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So we're talking about $18 billion worth of GPUs here, Josh.
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So as you can imagine, it's probably using a lot of water, right?
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So the math that they uncovered was the most revealing part.
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So Colossus 2 has an annual water footprint of 346 million gallons of water per year.
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Guess how much the average in-and-out store consumes per year?
Josh:
A lot.
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147 million gallons per year. Per store.
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Per store, sorry, yeah, per store, yes. So that means that the largest data
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center in the entire world currently today that everyone's complaining about
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consumes the same amount of water as two and a half In-N-Out stores.
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Why aren't we protesting In-N-Out?
Josh:
This is super fascinating to me. And it gets even better than this.
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If you think that's funny, it gets even better.
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So basically, the report looked at tokens per burger. So we were able to get
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a metric for how you can actually justify output.
Ejaaz:
Wait, wait, wait. Run that unit by me again.
Josh:
We are breaking the news right here on Limitless. We are measuring water efficiency by tokens per burger.
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And a single burger's water footprint is about 245 gallons of water.
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That equals 2.7 billion AI output tokens, which roughly equates to one burger...
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Being equivalent to using Grok 30 times a day for 668 years.
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So the numbers are just absolutely astronomical.
Ejaaz:
Wait, wait, wait.
Josh:
Before I'm done, wait, one more thing, one final conclusion to this.
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There are over 400 in and outs. There's so many of them.
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And there's what, maybe 10 AI data centers? So the scale and the magnitude at
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which they are wrong is just so astronomical.
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I found it really funny like once you actually get into the numbers you realize
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this is so not a problem that it's.
Ejaaz:
Not even funny wait dude so this is you're telling me so this is incredibly click
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baity basically um the figures are astronomically
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wrong and if you compare it
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to just a casual restaurant we're talking about burgers only here by the way
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we're not talking about the fries sides and everything else just milkshakes
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god knows how much one of the milkshakes use we're just talking about the burgers
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including like their restaurant output and the supply chain for this so the
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fact of the matter is, this problem isn't really a problem.
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It's actually massively overblown. But what I'm curious about,
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Josh, is like, okay, is this a realistic take?
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Like, I know that data centers use a lot of water.
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How are they using it? And like, how much of this is renewable versus is actually
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burned and evaporated into the air and we'd never get it back?
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Like, what's the comparison?
Josh:
Yes, yes, yes. Okay, so the truth, they are using lots of water.
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There's hundreds of millions of gallons per year that are going through these data centers.
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Some of it gets lost, a lot of it gets preserved. And the way they do it is
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there's two types of cooling.
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There's dry cooling, and then there's adiabatic cooling, which is the process
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where air cools down without exchanging heat with its surroundings.
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So if you remember the old iPhone episode that we did that talked about vapor
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chamber, you can imagine scaling a vapor chamber to the size of an industrial data center.
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And that's roughly how the adiabatic cooling works.
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So it evaporates the water, the water leaves the system, and that's where they
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lose about 267 million gallons per year.
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And then the second loss function is the flush and discharge.
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So one thing that I learned in preparing for this episode is that,
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I mean, there's a lot of mineral buildup in the water that they use.
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And 67 million of those get discharged as waste water per year.
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But those are the two ways they do it.
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It's dry and it's adiabatic. And there are promises in 2027 and 2028 from a
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lot of the major AI labs to decrease this waste to about 95%.
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Currently, it sits about 90%. So 90% gets recycled, 10% gets lost.
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Those numbers are going to increase incrementally until about 2030 when the
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number is actually net positive.
Ejaaz:
Okay, so it sounds like the classical way of thinking about how data centers
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get cooled is you run a bunch of water in pipes through all these different GPUs,
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and it removes the heat from these GPUs so they are able to perform at optimal levels, right?
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And part of this water evaporates, never to be seen again, and some of this
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water gets kind of recycled over and over again. And the adiabatic system,
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I think is what you said, is kind of a hybrid of both of these things.
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But most importantly, it's more of a closed loop system.
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So we've kind of got like the majority of the water being renewed.
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So there's a comparison between water being renewed and water being consumed,
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which means lost forever. Do I have that right?
Josh:
Yeah, so there's, you could think of a closed-loop system, going back to that vapor chamber.
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If a vapor chamber is 100% efficient at being closed-loop, where water reaches
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the processor, it heats up, it evaporates. As it evaporates, it dissipates the heat.
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This is that at scale, although with some sort of a loss function at the end,
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where some of that evaporated water does currently exit the system.
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It sits now at about 10%, and that's where that loss comes from.
Ejaaz:
But I'm guessing it's not 1.7 trillion gallons of water a year. Yeah, it's a
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Far cry from the 1.7 trillion number. And then there's a second aspect to this
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that gets a lot of criticism, which is the actual power generation,
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how much water gets used in the generation of energy through these turbines
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that are natural gas, some solar.
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And the answer to that is, in the case of Colossus 2, 0%. There is no meaningful
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water consumption of power generation at all.
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The entirety of it comes from cooling the GPU system, which is closed loop and done with water.
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So maybe we just go into where that 1.7 trillion number even came from.
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Because this is the source of
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a lot of the narrative that we've seen play out over the last few weeks.
Ejaaz:
Exactly. So I'm showing all of you folks who are watching a scientific paper
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from UC Riverside titled Making AI Less Thirsty.
Josh:
When you say scientific, you have to do air quotes.
Ejaaz:
Yeah, sorry, sorry. Pseudoscience. From this university called Making AI Less
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Thirsty, uncovering and addressing the secret water footprint of AI models.
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Now, this paper is the source of a lot of the clickbait headlines and TikToks
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that you watch online. It's this one number.
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1.7 trillion gallons of water will be consumed by AI data centers alone by 2027.
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That's around the corner. We're talking about next year here, right?
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And so a bunch of people kind of like threw up their hands and started protesting
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data centers because they were like, that is so much water.
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We're not going to be, we humans aren't going to be left with enough water to
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consume ourselves. Right?
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But here's what this study actually says. It claims 1.7 trillion gallons of
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water are used for withdrawal.
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That's a fancy term of saying recycled.
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So imagine like the water being taken, used to cool down the systems,
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the GPs that we just mentioned, and then recycled again and again and again.
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So it's not net new water we're talking about here.
Ejaaz:
Josh, do you want to know the actual consumption that is being like permanently
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removed, the ones that we should be trying to protest?
Josh:
Yeah, well, I mean, based on that, it's what? It's at least a full order of
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magnitude off than what is projected.
Ejaaz:
No, it's 100 to 158 billion, not trillion, billion gallons of water. That's 10%.
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Actually, it's less than 10% if you take the lower bound of the reported number.
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So the water that's actually being used by the data centers is only kind of like 10 to 15% of that.
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And okay, so some people then go like, what about the drinking water?
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Like what percentage of that is being affected from the study that was being
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made? It's only 3% of the headline number.
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So everyone took 1.7 trillion gallons of water and assumed all of that water
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was being wasted, never to be seen again, used again, and it was pulling from
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other resources when that strictly isn't being true. So the point I'm making,
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and I'm going to reiterate it again,
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The water, the 1.7 trillion gallons of water isn't being consumed.
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Think of it like this. Like imagine diverting a river to run through a mill. We do that today, right?
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And it flows back into the river. That's called withdrawal. That's the 1.7 trillion
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number that I'm pulling out here.
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So most of the power plant water is being reused over and over again.
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So that's only the first major kind of bit of pseudoscience that we needed to bust.
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But there's this second thing, and Josh, you mentioned it earlier from,
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ironically, Karen Howe, who wrote this famous book called...
Josh:
Our favorite author.
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...called The Empire of Air. Let me get this up here so everyone can see this book.
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It has been rated over 1,300 times on Amazon, but more importantly,
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it has been quoted directly by The Economist, The New York Times, and so much more.
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For this specific stack, it says Google's data center will use 1,000 times the
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water of an 88,000-person city.
Ejaaz:
Guess what? It was off by a factor of not 1,000 times, 4,500 times.
Ejaaz:
Josh, can you run me down these stats? Because it's just insane, dude.
Josh:
No, that stat actually makes me sick. It's horrible. So instead of comparing
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it to Google, we're going to start with golf courses because that's just...
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If you want to come at it, you got to start with the golf course.
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The average golf course, 312,000 gallons of water.
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Desert golf course is 1 to 2 million. A Google data center in Virginia is 400,000.
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Now what does that 400,000 give you?
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That powers Gmail, Google Drive, YouTube, the entire G Suite for billions of
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people around the world with the equivalent of 1.2 golf courses worth of water for billions of people.
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Google's global data center that powers 4 billion accounts,
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equals 43 golf courses. And in the state of Arizona, there are 370.
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So if you're comparing apples to apples here, that is the Lufx comparison. And it's just so off.
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This essay that was reported, this book that was published, it's off by like
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several orders of magnitude. It's not even close.
Ejaaz:
I mean, I'm looking at some of the things that they got wrong because someone
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did a breakdown of this book that's been quoted so many times and that's behind all these headlines.
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The book reported 5 million liters as the city's annual water use,
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but that was misconstrued.
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What she actually meant was 5 billion cubic meters.
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For understanding here...
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Liters and cubic meters are very different things.
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Very, very different things. So she confused liters with cubic meters,
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which is already 1,000x error.
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But then she said the data center would actually use 3% of the municipal water system, not 1,000x.
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That's where we led to the 4,500x factor off that she was.
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So basically, it is an absolute incorrect piece of reporting that has been spread
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by some of the most important and popular media publications that we've seen.
Ejaaz:
Josh, I want to kind of take your golf course thing a little further because
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I actually quite like that.
Josh:
Okay, we'll keep going on the golf courses.
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So what's the number one state that's been getting a lot of protests about data centers? Arizona.
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Let's just look at the golf courses in Arizona. Arizona has 370 golf courses.
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Each golf course consumes about 1 to 2 million gallons of water per day.
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So that's around 400 to 800 million gallons per day for an Arizona golf course,
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right? For all the Arizona golf course.
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If you compare that to data centers that consume 905 million gallons,
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or rather 0.12% of county water,
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That's like just in Arizona alone. So golf courses in Arizona,
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29 billion gallons per year.
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And a data center, the biggest one in Arizona, or actually collectively all
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of these, actually, my correction, is just 0.12% of that.
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900 million gallons per year. So it's obvious that there's just a lot of misinformation out there.
Ejaaz:
And I think it's really important to just bust this wide open completely. It's just wrong.
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And part of me thinks that a lot of the hatred, if I'm being honest,
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Josh, I think comes from people kind of equating AI to enriching people that they don't maybe like.
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Like, I get it. Like, AI will be used as a tool to enrich billionaires even further.
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It's so wasteful. I don't use it. What people don't realize is the average activity
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that you do on a weekend or the average bit of food that you might consume,
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buying a burger, 668 years straight of using Grok 30 times a day.
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People don't do that that often.
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It's just, it's important to level set, in my opinion.
Josh:
Yeah, there are a lot of valid criticisms. This is unfortunately not one of them.
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But there are some instances in which it does, or it has in the past actually
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affected localized effects where very small towns have actually felt an impact of this.
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They date most recently back to 2022.
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There actually hasn't been many sources recently that have determined that it
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is making a problem, but there have been some instances.
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The first one was in Oregon, where a Google data center It consumed 29% of the
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town's local water supply.
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There's another one from 2019 in Virginia.
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Virginia, famously, that's where a lot of the internet data center runs.
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I think a majority of the data center is run from these Virginia AWS servers.
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It consumed 63% of Lodon County in Virginia in 2019.
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But since then, there really hasn't been that much of an interference with the local water supply.
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And there have been solutions proposed from the companies who are most responsible for.
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Creating that strain. And that is Google, Amazon, Meta, and Microsoft,
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who all committed to be water positive by 2030 using new cooling techniques.
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So that vapor chamber that we were talking about earlier will be done at an
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industrial scale and will actually be able to preserve 100% of the closed loop
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water supply. And I think that's going to be a really big deal.
Josh:
That paired with direct to chip cooling is also going to make a big difference.
Josh:
If you remember our Vera Rubin episode, where we talked about how the new chips
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are cooled, the actual cooling temperature, if I remember right,
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it was like 115 degrees Fahrenheit that it could be.
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So now you could actually cool these ships with hot water. It requires much less.
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Air cooling is getting a little more interesting.
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There's a lot of solutions coming along the way that will make this a lot more
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resource or a lot less resource intensive.
Ejaaz:
Cool. So if I were to summarize some takeaways for this myth busting episode,
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there's a few that come to mind. Number one,
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The numbers just don't support the panic that people are putting out there.
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The fact is, AI data centers currently today, they might change later,
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Use a fraction of what golf courses, agriculture, the t-shirt that you're wearing consumes to produce.
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So even if we tripled AI water usage today, it would still pretty much be a rounding error.
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Number two, the context matters. You can't confuse 1,000 liters with 5 billion
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or whatever the number was, cubic meters of water.
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That is super important. And comparing water consumption for AI data centers
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and your average burger joint might just be the comparison that you need to
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kind of like set you straight and be like, okay, well, maybe this isn't that
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important going forward.
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And then the third thing, which I think is kind of underspoken about quite a
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lot is, I think, if I were to guess, we're moving towards a world where we end
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up actually using less water for data centers, right?
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Part of it is due to the different systems, like the adiabatic system that you mentioned, Josh.
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But also, I think a lot of these AI companies are going to start building water
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recycling plants to kind of push that 90% water renewability figure that we
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mentioned earlier much, much higher.
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I think Colossus 2 and Elon is doing that right now for Colossus 3,
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actually. They're building out a water recycling plant.
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So I think overall, this is a nothing burger, pardon the pun.
Ejaaz:
And we're going to look back on this. Yeah, we're going to look back on this
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in the future and realize that we're consuming water in much faster ways in
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so many other industries that we aren't currently protesting.
Ejaaz:
So keep quiet, eat your burger, and let the AI flow.
Josh:
So if you had to guess what the next narrative would be, that has a negative
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spin on it. Do you have any ideas? I think my answer is going to be energy.
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I think they're going to start to converge on the correct argument,
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which is the energy consumption on a localized scale, starting to actually impact
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the cost per kilowatt of the average person's home.
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And how does that get offloaded? Well, a lot more natural gas turbines, a lot more solar panels.
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And the process of scaling that up is happening, but it's happening slower than
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the scale at which they're consuming.
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So when you take a gigawatt data center like Colossus 2, that is consuming the
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equivalent collective output of San Francisco localized to a small town in Tennessee,
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there are impacts there that are real.
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It's just a matter of time until those kind of get uncovered and then get dealt with.
Josh:
I mean, they are dealing with it quickly, but there is a real strain happening
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on some grids that are localized to where these data centers exist.
Ejaaz:
I agree with you. And I actually think the numbers that will be quoted on headlines
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about that specifically will actually be closer to home and to the point because
Ejaaz:
It's simple enough to kind of scale new water techniques to kind of cool stuff down.
Ejaaz:
Like we reported on a previous episode, I think like two weeks ago,
Ejaaz:
that they're not even using cold water anymore.
Ejaaz:
They're using warm water, 45 degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit, which is super warm.
Ejaaz:
I think it's like 90 degrees Fahrenheit to cool these systems down.
Ejaaz:
I think it's a different game with energy where we actually do have limited constraint.
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It takes so much more work and expertise to scale that. and we're going to have
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to tap into like town supply or city supply. So I agree with you.
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I'm looking forward to kind of like unpicking that one in the future.
Josh:
Yeah, we'd be good at this. We should design the next PSYOP against our own industry.
Josh:
I think that would be much better to consult with the experts prior to doing this next time.
Ejaaz:
That's hilarious.
Josh:
But yeah, I guess that concludes the Mythbusters episode on the first one that
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we'll be dealing with, which is the water consumption and the new metric that
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is burger or tokens per burger.
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And in the case of our tokens per burger metric, the cost is very low.
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And I don't think this is anything to actually worry about.
Ejaaz:
That was the end of the episode, but I'm actually curious whether you guys enjoyed
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this. We hope you guys learn something new from this.
Ejaaz:
Josh and I kind of like went back and forth on this, whether we should do this episode.
Ejaaz:
We realized like a myth-busting series could be really cool because there's
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just a lot of myths and false claims out there and we face it every day.
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We try and unpack it, spend all of our time figuring this stuff out.
Josh:
And I love that show growing up. It was great.
Ejaaz:
Yes, same. Actually, dude, maybe we need to, we need to come back with some
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glasses for the next myth-busting episode. maybe a trench coat,
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like a fedora, if we really lean into it.
Josh:
I'll write in my magnifying glass.
Ejaaz:
Exactly. But yeah, if you found this informative, if you found this interesting,
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and you aren't subscribed to us, which apparently is around 70% to 80% of you,
Josh:
Please do so. It's a percentage that is far too high.
Ejaaz:
It's way too high. It is actually almost as high as these false headlines that
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we keep seeing about water usage for data centers.
Ejaaz:
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we get more eyeballs on this and we can keep producing better videos for you. I think that's it, Josh.
Josh:
Anything from you? Yeah, and just a small reminder about the newsletter.
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And I think that concludes it. That just wraps it up. So thank you so much for
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watching as always. And we will see you guys in the next episode.
Ejaaz:
See you guys.